Hawk T2 - The Fastest Way to Land a Jet
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Hawk T2 break to land at RAF Valley @timdavies_uk
This video discusses why and how fast jets approach an airfield at 400mph only to pull sharply before getting the undercarraige and flaps down and landing - Why do they do that?
Listen to a full explanation by me, the flying instructor - thanks for watching 👍
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Used to fly the Macchi 326 for the RAAF back 40 odd years ago -can't believe how much this reminded me of fast initial and pitch in the "Fanta Can". (except for the 'chute)
Thanks for posting. Really interesting.
With a bit more practice maybe a drive-through McDonalds is possible.
All that for a Big Mac? In-N-Out at minimum.
Possible? Drive thru McDonald’s have existed for fucking years
@Darron Edwards cobra maneuver 2 feet off the ground no problem.
Just get a bigger chute and land on the road haha!
This took me quite a while to realise this wasn't sped up.
I wanted to be an RAF pilot but I have asthma 👎 Only managed a year in the ATC (358 welling) co Mullins I think it was. Going back 25yrs. I fainted on my 1st parade, thanks sg for catching me. Woke up in a chair (no one told me to wiggle my toes). Still have the love for flying since my 1st lesson in G-BOAI at Biggin on my 13th birthday. Brian Benneworth was my instructor (sadly passed). Plans to build my own Skyranger Swift and keep it at my local, Westonzoyland airfield.
Wonderful videos Tim. Nice to get commentary, although don't know what the bell you're talking about half the time ha ha
New Tech Geek I've been to raf valley I live right next to it a Wana be a pilot Wen inm old inof
I love the Hawk,Imo the worlds best trainer...and pretty useful as a self defence a\c....
I'd be happy picking up chutes for my day job 👍🏿
very nice Tim.
Great, now I'm going to try that in my DA20
Thank you as ever, such a cool job...
Another outstanding video! Keep them coming!
Not a clue what he's talking about but man it's fascinating, cool vid👍
very nice
So odd to see a climbing break, very different from the overhead I'm used to seeing. Great commentary. The Navy should have kept the Hawk as is instead of the T-45.
How many times can a chute be reused? Has it got a definitive life span or is it an inspection and refit until it fails said inspection?
Cheers
Oooh, I don't know actually! It's probably an inspection as it's not super critical and does fail about 5% of the time.
They are usually lifed at so many streams. Once deployed and collected from the taxyway they are taken to the servicing bay, checked/serviced and repacked then fitted back in an aircraft. Each 'chute has an engineering file so the life and repairs etc are recorded.
I've repacked several Victor 'chutes at Bruntingthorpe for the Cold War Jets days they used to hold and they are huge and heavy and take 3 people to carry! They were of course no longer subject to service requirements.
I prefer the strategy of point nose vertically downwards and accelerate
Wow and top British jet
"It's a tiny chute, called a shit." 🤣
I tride this in my piper cub
Tim what angle GP do you guys fly on final? looks very flat but it may just be the camera lens????
+dragondrummer33 Depending on the runway either 2.5 or 3 degree glidepath, we have PAPIs to help us establish two reds and two whites en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_approach_path_indicator
You have PAPIs up there at the instrument threshold i guess and you guys put it down right over the numbers. So i guess wont be using a lot of PAPI for visual approaches. That looked like 2.5 something. Can you tell me when do you guys fly down this low GP angle ?
Well ... shoot!
I’m fairly certain landing on a ship is much much faster...
That being because carriers typically have catches on them to pull the plane back.
Breaking to the right is just.....unnatural......
In the UK we break both to the right and left depending on the circuit direction. The runway directs the direction so ATC will tell you to join for runway 31 Left, meaning it will be a left break as the circuit is left hand. Interestingly, when I was a Tornado pilot in Lossiemouth, all the circuits and therefore breaks were to the left. Our sister base in Marham also flew Tornados but they had circuits left and right and quickly worked out that when they flew practise air combat stories against Lossiemouth based Tornados, all those pilots would always break left 🤣
Hurumph, Tim! My bete noir as a SATCO! It's 19 'Right HAND' (or 'left HAND') as appropriate to indicate the circuit direction; '19 Right' means the right side runway of a parallel set of runways. Very important if you have a parallel taxiway marked up as an emergency runway...
I was watching flight SIM videos. Took me almost a minute to realize that this isn't 4K graphics.
Same bro, fucking same
@@YTIAMDOOM Crazy times we live in.
@@ID-8491 yea fr, thought this was a new game, got excited lmao
@@YTIAMDOOM :D
What do you mean it isnt the new update to DCS world?
3:19 I didn't know 'chutes could talk but this 'chute has been trained well
It wasn't the chute , it was the guy doing the filming I think.
@@DrTWG r/whoosh
@@HitoshiTakumi Ha ha ! Fool.
Unfortunately, they haven't been trained to drag themselves off the runway when the come off the plane on deployment. Had to drag several off the runway at Coltishall, and they aren't light.
Does it sound crazy that I like to listen to these videos when going to bed?? He is the David Attenborough of the RAF very good voice. British at its best!!!
Not at all! Have started doing the same, this kind of content is very calming. He also has that clear and soothing voice of a British Officer that helps one on one's way to the land of nod.
I once worked in an ER with a doc who had a military background with a couple of deployments and in high stress situations he was kind of like the narrator here, in his voice was no room for doubt and it was empowering to every team member, giving even those the ability to act that were otherwise stepping back sayin 'I can't do that'. Great lead!
@@ArztvomDienst yes when you hear someone who has that ability it is completely empowering, whether someone like you mention at work who just knows what to do and keeps you carm to a teacher who can keep you concentrated. What's funny is all these people probably don't realise the effect they have.
I don't fly but love to hear how he talks it through, it has a very relaxing way but at same time has my consenration. There are some very special people in the world and they don't know it, especially people who can help others in times of panic and stress. Sounds like your probably one of those persons yourself. World needs you all at the moment. Regards h
Yeeeeha ! I was in a Hawk 3 ship Low Level and last in Line around the A5 pass as I pulled to much G. Ooops. I went full power to catch up and was FARRR to fast with too much overtake for the break. So I had to pull a High Speed Barrel Roll and slotted into position for the break. My debrief was one word beginning with C. 😂 Eventually I ended up on the Jaguar after winning the weapons prize at Brawdy TWU. Loved the Hawk, especially firing rockets. My instructor was ex Lightnings and ended up being Princess Diana’s Equerry.
Now I must try this in the glorious and all-powerful Skyhawk...
Did an overhead break with a mooney a couple weeks ago. Started my descent way too late because I was oggling the city lights (was a really pretty night) and was coming into the pattern with way too much smash. Handy maneuver, provided there's no traffic already in the pattern to conflict with.
A little wagon will come out and pick it up for us, which is really good cuz Im not gonna walk out there and pick it up.
Keeping people in jobs :)
You explained how, but did't at all address why.
Because it keeps energy in the plane until it's within airfield defences. A typical approach leaves an aircraft extremely vulnerable if attacked.
The number one reason for a buzz and break?
They look cool.
@@kiwidan2271 I was lucky enough to be a passenger in an ex-RAF Folland Gnat that performed a 'run and break'. It's every bit as exhilarating as it looks.
It’s the fastest way to get jets on the ground in a combat zone, where they can also keep enough energy to get into a fight or evade.
The conventional slow and long approach doesn’t cut it when you are in an area where you don’t have air superiority at all times. Since ww 2 planes that were caught trying to land were easy prey ... even through the jet era. So consider the technique to be a lesson learned with blood.
In addition, it is also efficient for aircraft recovery and uses less airspace overall.
Finally, fighter pilots like showing off
It's great to see you guys flying every day now, you pretty much buzz my house on final at RAF Mona. If you do the long approach you bank left at about 4-5G all the way around and level out for Mona's runway I try to watch you when I can. 👍🏼🤘🏼
Very nice! How do I book a ride?! 😀
Excellent. RAF instructors the very best. Only flew Chipmunks and Meteors; they made us believe that we were so good, nothing was a problem. You cannot keep doing it unless you BELIEVE. Best wishes. CAVU skies!
As ex USAF it was very interesting to see how the RAF do the break. In the USAF we did the break mid field, not past the end of the runway, and we turned from downwind to final much sooner. I'm curious as to why the RAF spreads things out so much more?
I would also remind you that we were doing our break coming in at 300 kais and final was done at 160kias + 1 knot for every 100 lbs of fuel over 1,000 lbs, so everything was happening faster. It's my under that previously the US AF did and even shorter pattern, with the turn from downwind to final done immediately abeam of the approach end of the runway, so when they rolled out on runway heading they were at the overrun.
Our circuits were taught to be flown fixed power as a handling exercise. Set 80% at initials and try and not touch the power again. Also, US jets tended to slow down faster, hither alpha so you could break earlier - there seemed to be a thing in the UK of being on speed to tip final before you tip final, not catching it half way around.
well how about that! I didn't know brake chutes were still used,do they get reused for future landings?
Yep, they get repacked.
I've been flying circuits wrong this whole time 🤔
Truly phenomenal Chanel Tim, taking me right back to my ATC days. I kick myself because I didn't have to courage to pursue a career flying in the Royal Air Force.... Incredible videos, all the very best and safe flying
Brilliant my friend! Cheers from North Carolina! Just found your channel and love it! My grandfather was one of the first pilots in the RAF. He was a daredevil and used to fly under bridges on dares. He was also shot down and recovered by a freighter. He sat on his canopy for 12 hours. Quite a man. I am only a private pilot so what you do looks to be very well organized CHAOS!
Safe flying and thank you for your service
Wow what an amazing comment!! One of our world's hero's they don't make them like him anymore, ha ha or let then with health and safety today ha ha. But that's pretty special. Every British school boy grew up wanting to be like your granddad!! Hero and a legend!!! Will give him a thought on November the 11 this year, hundred years on from ww1 but also to remember all forces. Thanks loved to read your comment. Harry
Home in time for tea and medals...... wizard prang what!!! Good stuff mate👍👍👍
Tim, what is the altitude at roll out on final? 300ft?
Yep, wings level on roll-out at 300ft and it should be at 1 nautical mile.
Can i join RAF ? PLEASE
Spectacular !!!
Former A 37B Driver .
Air Force of Chile.
Brought some incredible memories when I was a 20 years old Sub Lieutenant Training at Grupo N1 , Iquique .
Pacific Ocean to one side, Atacama Desert plus the Andes Mountains to the other.
Kindest Regards
About the only video I watch time and again. Boy does all that happen quickly. Thanks.
I started watching this and was thinking wow the graphics on DCS is amazing. I really need a better video card. Then I saw the front seater moving around and felt real stupid.
Have no idea what you are talking about...So I don't speak aviation..😪😪😪
I used to think those lines on the canopy were for de-icing , like on a car rear window : /
They are for ejecting
@@150cameron ... no , the seat is for ejecting , the lines are explosive to break the canopy .
@@orsonincharge4879 sorry yeah that's what I meant, just didn't feel like typing much at the time
@@150cameron .. don't worry , I used to think they were for clearing the ice :/
@@orsonincharge4879 I mean it certainly would deice the canopy. Only once though
Fantastic video. I have two questions with when you perform over head breaks as a 2+ ship, 1) what is the time delay between each aircraft breaking? 2) do you use the same speed in a formation recoveries? Top stuff
Just 4 seconds :)
Really cool videos, my Brother works at RAF Valley so it's nice to see, Thanks and all the best, Steve
Hi did you ever fly the T 1?
We need a hawk and the UK in DCS!
Really really good video and explanation.
Hi Tim, I've noticed in a few of your videos, both real and sim, that you talk about Alpha - what exactly does this mean? Ta!
Alpha is the angle of attack (AoA) of the wing to the oncoming airflow - as an aircraft loses speed (on landing for example), the wing needs to increase lift in order to stay level and thus it's angle to the airflow is increased and this increase is known as an increase in alpha.
Also, What is the angle of attack?
The angle of attack (AOA) is the angle at which the chord of an aircraft's wing meets the relative wind. The chord is a straight line from the leading edge to the trailing edge.
I just am in awe at these young pilots and VERY proud
Awesome video. Love the commentary. :) You might not have to collect the 'chute, but who is responsible for refitting it before your next flight?
+essee1977 Sorry, the comment about not collecting the chute was flippant lol, we have engineers who drive out to get it as we have to debrief the sortie which can take an hour or more. The chute is probably only used on 10% of sorties - the engineers will repack it, they have them already packed ready to go so this chute will probably go in another aircraft when it has been collected.
Excellent. Thank you very much. Things are happening might fast there! Always wanted to do that but don’t think I would have made it.
Mucho splendid, I used to make coffee on the desk at 63 when in it was at CHR in the mid 80's. Happy days and what a place for an SAC ti grab back seats!
Technical jargon I don't understand is like a lullaby.
What "favours" do I need to give to get a back seat ride in one of these??
Pardon my ignorance, but why don't you just fly straight-in approach, seeing as you were on a final beforehand? I'm guessing it's tactical / safety of the ATZ ?
if im not wrong..one reason, im sure there are more... allows planes to arrive faster to the airfield, break quickly to lose speed and land. if they do a straight in approach, they would be going much slower from further away, thus taking more time.
I'm not an aviator - missed the boat on that one....Can you explain the term "dead wing" after turns. Also why do the RAF fly circuits into landing? You mentioned that USAF doesn't do this in a DCS video. Great content BTW
Dead wing is the wing that blanks the sky in a turn so when you roll out you need to check no aircraft are hiding there. The USAF are procedural on departure and recovery, the RAF is not and a run in and break in the circuit is the fastest way to land especially in hostile territory - the US guys call it 'the pitch'.
I’m 14 and love these vids can’t wait to be in a fast jet cockpit
and take good care of your eyes too
You'll never make it
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@@BPBadAbyss2 nope
@@behindthen0thing you're an arse
I Break N Run. That is to say, I break wind and then run out of the chapel. Good day.
Essentially a carrier trap but without the boat and a chute instead of #3 wire.
Do you ever fly from Yeovilton airbase? I always look up and wonder if it's you going over as there is. Lots of training jets there I think.
Yeovilton is RNAS Yeovilton so that's navy trainers.
love to see you fly all your old haunts with MSFS 2020 in the HAWK T1
I could only understand that one must go around once if the inbound speed is high
Marvellous.
Gonna try this tonight Tim on fs2020
A lot to compensate, what a job eh.. 👍😎
Had he done it 600ft at 400kts and made a left turn with no climb into a full stop landing then he would have done a Navy brake.
We do climbing breaks too, 500 ft climbing to 1000 ft or 500 ft level breaks and decelerate 360 kts to 200 kts.
That moment when British Monotone can put you to sleep even in the middle of flying jets...
No, this is not the quickest way to land a jet. The fastest way is to auger in vertically on full throttle with afterbuner.
Truth right there 🤣
@@FastJetPerformanceperhaps not particularly practical though.
I'd love to be a passenger or even better, the Pilot in this....
Very nice. Wish i had done this rather than MTD when I was serving. Oh well, no complaints now. Love the videos, Sir.
@Darron Edwards Sounds more interesting than MTD lol. No regrets. I changed professions after I left and quite happy with life.
A right hand break? Not sure my body can do that. F-100, F-105 and F-4. The Thud was 191 knots on final plus 3k per 1,000 lbs of fuel above minimum. 125k has got to seem leisurely. Seriously, that was a nice pattern (circuit). But gear and flaps extending during final turn seems an unnecessary addition to pilot workload, having to recheck both those complete during the turn.
I agree about the final turn but the RAF would never change it, unfortunately.
@@FastJetPerformance So we can hope that no RAF Hawk driver ever gets a flap asymmetry as he rolls into his 40° to 60° of bank from downwind.
This the first of your videos I've seen. I will watch some more as time allows.
@@daveriley6310 you're right, it's something we constantly talked about. Half flap is selected downwind, it's just full flap taken as we tip. The flaps are supposed to stop travelling should they experience assymetry but of course we shouldn't rely on an emergency system.
Outstanding videos, thanks so much ;
Never knew the hawk had a chute.
3:22 why nobody should ever join the Air Force. Join the navy instead (believe me, I joined the army).
Great video. My boss and QFI on my uni air squadron loved to perform these break to land manoeuvres in the Tutor at the end of a sortie if possible.
And the narrator won the speed-talking trophy - but with great humor interspersed.
@Darron Edwards Cool. Sierra Hotel! Respect, Bob (CMSgt, USAF(Ret)
yep...clear as mud!
Little chute for a little plane. 😂
Everybody knows the fastest way to land an airplane is to do a Jingles landing... ^^
I've been seeing a lot of Break and Run happening at shops in America and other places recently.
Does the chute get reused? Or is it a one and done thing?
Re-packed and re-used.
I don't think they are meant to break. That would be a bit expensive, wouldn't it?
DCS 2 ?
Shouldn't it be 'brake'?
no break is correct, its not a slowing down, more of a turn
@@johnglasgow2445 Gotch ya - as in 'break right/left? Super stuff whatever
I saw my house there
thanks for the great videos, keep 'em coming!!
I had no idea the hawk has a ‘chute.
Cool..
You sounded very spoilt, I’m not going out to pick it up myself.
So unbelievably cool. Can't wait to watch more of your videos!
initial and pitch
Yep, exactly right.
5-6 g break is the best thing in the world!
Seems to me the faster one goes the more stuff we have to do.. Seriously though, amazing vids and narration.
Cessna 150 i fly ,flies exactly like that 😎
This sounds like Lewdix Aviation.
do you fly closed patterns in the UK - I used to love my closed patterns in Canada