The Flavour Feeder - Does it Work?
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- I recently did some tests on Supermarket products to see if they could be used instead of the expensive Bait Additive products manufactured specifically for anglers. In this new project, I wanted to use these liquid additives in a new type of feeder which could bring fish into my swim without actually filling them up with feed. This feeder would be used mostly in Winter when the fishes metabolism has slowed down to the point where they eat very little.
The result of my experiments was to make the new Flavour Feeder which is the subject of today's video. Watch the video to see if it works.
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Hello Den, a famous Chinese bait maker (HUA) has shared the following principle for using flavour for carp fishing in Asia as: Spring - fishy; Summer - pale, Autumn - fragrant, Winter - strong. I noticed many people also has similar point.
We basically do things like that in the UK have done for years.
Hello Den, a fellow Brit here (West Midlands) ... great video's... another well-earned subscription, working though your back catalogue and smashing those 'Like' buttons! I have been following your Flavour Feeder from initial concept to testing... ingenious and inspirational ... I really do think you may be on to something here... that said, like with everything we try, (baits, attractants etc), it's always difficult to predict what 'might have happened' had we been fishing without them... But, I think this is a well-thought out product which, as you have said a few times, is designed to enhance winter fishing but from what I've seen, I think you're on to a winner :)
Thanks mate. I'm from the West Midlands too.
I used to fish a lake where groundwater was banned and the carp loved mussels and prawns. My version of a flavour feeder was a maggot feeder with sponge inside dipped into cod liver oil. It worked very well but was quite messy on the cast.
I assume you mean groundbait and not groundwater?🤔
Good vid den and concept trial feeder, like the fact can also add abit of groundbait or loose fed to add to the flavour, could also be modified to hold more feed I guess to use in summer has a small amount I don't think would keep them nailed to your swim, but it's works clearly!!
Hello Den, good to see you back by the water! A suggested modification for the tamping gadget you have made. Keep one end square and flat, to squeeze the water out of the sponge, and at the other end form a cruciform shape to use once you have added the 'glug', that will then partly compress the sponge so that when you remove the tamper, the sponge will absorb more of the 'glug', rather than squeezing it out of the sides as seems to happen with the square end tamper.
I see where you're going with this Chris, but I squeeze the water out with my finger. I like the idea of a Cruciform shape though. At the moment, the plunger has open squares like a feeder, which seems to work, but the new shape might work better?
Different but looks promising. Nice idea Den.
I sometimes see anglers here in the UK using so much groundbait that I'm sure they are feeding them off! Bites eventually stop for them and those fishing nearby. Your idea of flavour feeding is excellent and will never feed the fish off of course. Over groundbaiting is a common beginners mistake.
Thanks Spark. Overfeeding in Winter is particularly prevalent. I see Match anglers ruining their swims in the first few minutes by piling in bait.
Hi Den, I like your thinking on this, I saw someone do something similar in a match a few years ago. He was fishing with meat on the pole and not feeding anything except liquid flavouring in a pole pot. So the fish were attracted to the flavour but the only food was the meat on his hook. He won the match quite easily. His weight was 14lb and I came 2nd with 2lb 10oz.
I had a lightbulb 💡moment yesterday which proved successful. I had been watching Guru videos on hybrid feeder fishing. The videos were on how to load the feeder and where to put the hook bait. The underwater camera showed the feeder pellets being pushed off the feeder by water pressure and the hook bait with it. The hook bait ended up a few inches away from the feeder. the fish either looked at it and bolted or just ignored it. They said that all the fish were mainly interested in was the feeder pellets and it showed the fish hoovering the pellets out of the feeder. So yesterday I used the hybrid feeder method and towards the end of the session, I thought about it and thought, what would happen if I didn't put a pellet on the hair rig and just buried the hook inside the pellets? i tried it, not knowing what to expect, and within 2 minutes I had caught a carp. I tried again to see if it was a fluke and caught another one. I finished with 10 carp using this trick so I Think we can safely say it works.
I'll be trying it again at a different venue on sunday to see what happens.
If the pellet manufacturers see this post, they won't be happy with me...oh well!
I watched those videos too CB. Very interesting. I think Jamie Hughes did the baitless trick in a Method Feeder some time ago, so that corroborates your theory.
@@FishingwithDen I'll have to look for the Jamie Hughes video, thanks for the tip.
Very cleaver,well thought out.
You’re onto something Den brilliant idea 😍👍
Thanks mate.
Try making a small hole in the sponge. Then use a squeeze bottle with a pointed tip. Like one of those hair dye bottles. That way you can inject the flavour without the mess. I really like this idea for winter fishing. We want the attractant without building up a bed of feed. This seems like a very good solution. If you want to introduce any feed. You can simply swap the feeder for a couple of casts. I would like to see more videos of you using this at different times of the season. It would be really interesting to see if the attractant is as good as actual bait.
I think this idea really does have something going for it.
Thanks for your comments. I have found that the sponge soaks up water after the molasses has gone. This makes the feeder quite heavy on the retrieve. It's not a problem with these small feeders, but I have been experimenting with larger feeders for use in summer and for that size it does make for a heavy feeder on the retrieve. I now have a feeder which has its own compartment for the liquid ingredients which I will be testing at some of the larger reservoirs. Unfortunately, I don't have a large reservoir all that close to me, so its taking a bit longer than I wanted.
Depends what type of sponge you are using. Household sponge would saturate and become heavy because it is designed to mop up water. You could always use aquarium filter sponge. It is available in varying grades. ie varying grades of hole size. It is not designed to hold water. It is designed to let water pass through it. Just a thought.@@FishingwithDen
@@baldrickscunningplan6154 Hopefully, I shouldn't need any kind of sponge with the new design, but thanks for the ideas.
lovely ideas den love the fishing feeder idea, take care
Great idea Den. I'll have to try cobbling something up and give it a try. Thanks and keep'um coming
Pete
Thanks Peter.😁😁👍👍
Top Den !👍👌🐟👋
Good to see Den’s Pond is getting better after the floods mate. Great ideas as always. 👍
Thanks Andre
Once again Den you’ve demonstrated your “thinking outside the box” mentality when fishing. You really should think about patenting your “flavour feeders” before Drennen it Guru pinch your idea. Great video again. Well done.
Thanks Don. I'm happy for that to happen mate. I don't need to make money off the stuff I design.😁😁👍👍
As usual great video and it Looks a good idea I have printed one and will be giving it a go, It would be good to see one in a larger size you talking about doing and know you probably an updated one.
Your cage and method feeder work very well and bait punches are great.
Thanks Bob. let me know how you get on mate.
Great when a plan comes together. Made one up and showed my mates will give them one each to try it out.
Thanks Phill. Don't forget, this is designed for Winter mate.
@@FishingwithDen With the poor weather we are having at the moment might still work? I goo in the summer as well so nothing ventured until I try it?
A sea fishing boat skipper once told me that if you are prone to seasickness, always eat jam sanswiches while out on the boat because they taste the same coming up as they do going down!
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Great to see you on the mend den and out on the bank loved the glug video's I'm out on Wednesday will try it on some boiles
Thanks Pete. Let me know how you get on mate.
Hello Den, I tried out your method on Monday. I filled molasses in a repurposed feeder. My buddy sat next to me and fed Zammataro food. After a quarter of an hour I was able to catch the first roaches. My buddy hasn't had a bite yet. But that changed quickly. He caught up with me after 1 hour with the number of pieces. Then the flavor changed to anise. Then things looked different again. I caught roach in quick succession. After that, my bites eased up again and my buddy passed me. At the end of the session I was 7kg and he was 11kg. In the winter I will try again and add some maggots to the feeder. For me it was an exciting experiment.
Hi Ralf. It's still warm in your part of the world mate. These feeders were designed for Winter, so you would have needed more actual bait to keep the fish interested. I will be experimenting with some different versions which are designed for Summer use soon. Perhaps you could add some feed into your repurposed feeder and try the experiment again?
@@FishingwithDen I got that already Den, I've tried it before in warm weather. Just wanted to test how the response is to different odorants. For which I had no food in the basket, it was good.
@@ralfmuentnich Ah. OK Ralf. Sorry mate. I misunderstood what you were trying to achieve.
@@FishingwithDen I think this is due to google translate. I once replied to a Russian here and expressed great praise, who was mortally offended.🤣
@@ralfmuentnich Ooops!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Brilliant job Den I’ve not got a 3d printer so I am adapting some old feeders with scouring sponges to give it a go this winter.🎣👍
Thanks Keith. I used scouring pad sponges too mate.
We used to use sponge's in feeders in the 80s 90s worked .I just squeeze flavours in the feeder onto the maggots like ive done for years although im always trying new things .
Was doing that in the 1980 s ,,using that draw liquid ,I think it was dickie carrs,who started it ,good for bream in summer ,
Looks like there's definitely nothing new in this world Shaun.😁😁👍👍
Clever bit of thinking Den.Going to give this one a try.😁😁
Thanks Clive. I've tried it a couple of times now and it does seem to work.
Bet it would work in a small maggot feeder Den😮
@@vivienwilson9055 Yep. Blockend maggot feeder should work Vivien.
No Tim tams with a brew Den? Or the good old Biscuit Brown. Always goes down well when it's cold.. That cold easterly breeze..took us by surprise..
Strangely enough, I don't eat Tim Tams Peter. my son loves them.😁👍
Been using a bit of sponge in side a cage feeder dipped in flavour for many years in the winter, when the going is hard.
Hi Den. Hope you well now. Just remembered you said some time back you were from the midlands ? I am in Leicestershire, been here 40 years, tried emigrating to oz but they don’t recognise my city and guilds 😢 anyway, to add, I make all my own g.bait and watching your take on bread g.bait, if you add bran, pellets (micros) no need for riddle. Also, I add Angel delight . Give it a go mate, cheap ! Well, good luck to you mate, keep safe. Good vids 😊
Hi Paul. I'm all good now thanks mate. Luckily, I didn't need qualifications to emigrate. Because I'm retired, I just had to pay the Government lots of money.😁😁👍👍
Niceeee 👍👍👍 i knew it would work ☺
Looks like you're onto something Den! 😁👍👍
Give it a try up your way John. I will be up there in December, so if you stop by, I can give you some mate.
Fish finger sandwiches are my favourite , With a flask of Bovril !
Fish Finger sandwiches - Yes! Bovril - Yuk!😁😁👍👍
great idea Den, have printed a few and will try them on the Thames at Windsor next week. I am sure even in summer they will be great attraction aids. BTW have recently upgraded to the Ender5s1 much better printer
Hi Alistair. Don't forget, these feeders were designed for Winter mate. I will be testing different versions which hold more feed as soon as the weather warms up down here.
Really interesting video den,what were the fish you were catching? Type of carp?
Thanks Gareth. I'm told they are called Prussian Carp or Gibel. From my point of view, they might as well be Crucians. They look very similar and they act exactly the same.
Thanks
Many thanks thanks Martin. Much appreciated mate.
I’ve been thinking about trying this with blood for blue and channel catfish
Flavour method feeders next 👍
Its certainly a thought for the Summer mate.👍
Nice idea Den, i think your logic is sound. I lose a fair number of feeders and i'm concerned about the amount of plastic tackle we cast into our rivers and ponds. Do you think a piece of cotton wool banded onto the weight would do the same job? It could be sqeezed out wearing a rubber glove and reloaded in a tray of the flavouring.
Thanks David. I suspect that using cotton wool might not work due to the fact that it might not spring back enough after it has been squeezed to remove the water.
I have a 20ml syringe with a blunt short needle that I use to fill my fountain pens. You could inject goo directly into the sponge with virtually zero mess Den, topping up as and when needed, from your squeezy bottle. just a thought Den.✌❤ Bob. PS. Regarding my comment about securing the sponge in the feeder with a cocktail stick, I missed the bit where you said that the sponge was glued into position. Sorry for the confusion. Bob 😮
Its definitely an idea Bob, but my molasses is very thick, so I would probably have to water it down a lot. On balance, I think I'll keep it thick, so its not diluted. The plunger only takes a couple of seconds and its not messy if I put it into water between uses. Don't worry about missing the part where I said the sponge was glued in mate. It appears some others missed that too.👍😁
Hello Den I re member in the eighties we could buy strips which were soaked in attraction and you put them in a maggot feeder, can not remember there name
I’ve got a theory that fish have lookouts. So when you pick up your flask or get up for a pee the lookouts tell the others that it’s safe to eat. 😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍Yep.
iv got two or three them feeders free with angling times or something about twenty years ago they were maggot feeders with foam inside better idea as you can take foam out soak it in liquid while fishing with another saves time and mess
Cheese and brown sauce sannies ? Yuk, I prefer marmite 😂
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Sods Law, it happens to me every time, do you think those Crusian looking small fish could be hybrids?
Whatever happened to swing tips and those screw in feeder tips?
From what I can gather, they appear to be Goldfish/Common Carp Hybrids, but I have also seen reference to them being called Prussian Carp. Either way, they feed, bite and fight just like Crucians.
Fish are physic they know when you are pouring a brew 😂
Oh Yes. They definitely are psychic mate.😁👍
Ha, had you been in a match Den, you probably would have won that one for sure.
Its definitely possible Hilary. It does seem to work.😁😁👍👍
Hi Den, great idea and video.
You surprised me when you said there had been a frost, even though your in Australia.
What temperature was it it you was filming
Rob
Hi Rob. July (when this was filmed) is the height of Winter here mate. I don't know exactly what the temperature was, but I didn't go out until late morning so it had warmed up considerably by then.
Just come back from Oz..Missed out on meeting up with Den. Sydney was warm for us..but no the locals..6 to 8 overnight then 19 to 22c day time. There was a cold easterly breeze on a few days...
But that's New South Wales...Queensland was 20 to 25 most days...Not bad for winter
@@peterream9437 Hi Peter. There were times in the early days that I used to go out in shorts and a T Shirt in Winter down here. The locals would have many layers of clothing, so I would get strange looks from them. Typical Pommie!😁😁👍👍
How about applying the 'goo' with dosing syringe with a longer tube to push into the middle of the sponge. It could be cleaner and easier.
Its definitely an idea Neil, but my molasses is very thick, so I would probably have to water it down a lot. On balance, I think I'll keep it thick, so its not diluted. The plunger only takes a couple of seconds and its not messy if I put it into water between uses.
Happened to me lot's of time's Den started now to pour when rod out of the water
Noooooo!!! Don't do that Alan. You should be thinking of it as one of your tactics to enhance your catch.🤣🤣👍👍
@@FishingwithDen 🤣🤣👍👍
Have you ever considered selling any of the things you make Den. Floats feeders etc. I know l would buy some. Would be a bit of extra cash for you.
Not really Rob. I'm retired now and I can't be bothered with starting another business mate.
How about a feeder that is hinged in the middle that when opened you can squirt glug into the inside and when you close the feeder the glug will be in the best part of the feeder.
Interesting idea Andrew. I'll give it some thought. It would be more difficult to design on the 3D printer though.😁👍