With pink floyd, it's almost as though they would need a pinball machine for every album. Because each one has such a strong theme to it. The wall pinball machine. Animals pinball machine. Dark side of the Moon pinball machine. Wish you were here pinball machine etc
When you look at an Avengers Pro, Jurrassic Park Pro, TMNT pro and then look at LZ there is no comparison on value for the dollar..look how packed those games are compared to LZ, same feeling for Black Knight Pro, its a fun game but it feels bare
What a great video. I love how you are not afraid to say what everyone is thinking. The cost cutting on the pros is getting rediculous. Keep up the great work. All of your videos are so informative and entertaining. The PinSound work you did on that LAH is outstanding!!
I bought my first new pin back in 2010, it was a Dark Knight. I paid 4300 Euro for it. I bought an HUO POTC not much later. If you see how packed that pin was, i don't think i ever seen a pin after it, that had more, or even the same amount of toys etc... on a pro. Recently i checked for a TMNT pro, it was 6300 euro. That's crazy when you think i bought my first LE (called just premium back then) which was a TRON for 5900 euro. Now Stern asks 10.400 euro for an LE. I stopped buying pins after the Star Trek LE. Which blew me away after seeing it's total package. Still costed me 7950 euro. Now i on occasion rent a flipper or buy a used on, to sell it back down the road when i'm tired of it. Pinball has been a big piece of my life, started when i first played a TAF on location, but ended when Stern got way to expensive, and worst of all, the quality dropped over time on too many pins from them. Still wondering how long this can go on? To be honest i thought this would be unsustainable by now. But i was wrong. Still think it has to give sometime.
I honestly don't understand why Stranger Things gets such a bad rap on this channel. I have 18 pins in my collection and it's one of the few that constantly keeps me coming back for more. I actually think it's one of the most underrated pins ever. I've played everything from the classics to modern Sterns. Great content as always. I'll admit, I myself have to pass on this Led Zeppelin pin. Keep up the awesome work Cary!
I’m warming up to stranger things but I play it in location. It’s basically clunky attack from Mars with bad call outs... the sheriff is just so mono tone.
Once you get a chance to play the LZ-Premium...I'll be looking forward to your video on RANKING (from Bad to Best) the Stern Music Pins - AC/DC, KISS, GNR, Beatles, Metallica, LZ, Aerosmith, Iron Maiden (?) and Rolling Stones.
Stern is just phoning it in anymore. so sad. I guess accessible means the ball can touch it? Idk. Im so disappointed in stern. They need to up their game. JJP GNR on the other hand looks well worth it. By removing that wireform its like they are testing how stripped they can make a game and people will still buy it.
I love this game. My local game does have the upper flipper ramp though. Great video. Couldn’t you strip any game and you wouldn’t know what the game is about, lol. I do like how you can have multi balls ready and almost stay in multi ball the entire time. I like how you can have the song mode and tour multi ball mode working at the same time.Subscribed today👊🏼
Perhaps they needed a mech that allows you to accumulate vodka shots into a John Bonham figure culminating in him throwing up and living this time around.
After seeing all the time and effort that went into the collaboration between JJP and GnR on that machine, it makes me wish that JJP had done Led Zeppelin as well. I bet we'd have gotten a 1,000 times better machine.
Thanks for reminding me I have a Munsters as a door stop. Code will come and save it too, said the distributor that sold me that. Back to reality, there goes gravity
I should reword that. This is why we need more independent reviewers in the world of pinball. One of the biggest reviewers on RUclips is a distributor. Try selling these cheap machines with huge profits and see how cloudy ones proper honest opinion can get. This machine is shit guys...sorry your in a Stern pussy trance over at TNT, but the masses are getting wiser.
Cyberpunk 2077 was unacceptable, but in the pinball world you actually have the people that sell them, promoting them as just fine in the long run. Unsubscribed TNT, it was fun, but zero respect now.
@@tntamusements Unlike yourself I will not make snarky comments directed at the poster AKA personal attacks. The topic is, are you not saying that Led Zeppelin is a solid investment now, and if not now....it will be in the future because the code will be updated?
whoa! What is all this fuss about? Todd and the TNT crew are buddies of mine. Todd is just giving me the friendly banter as he always does. No need to make a big deal out of it, man.
I went out and bought a Premium. Beautiful pin, terrible "quality" control. Sold it, picked up a pro, added a few mods to my liking, and LOVE it! No where near the problems the LE/Premiums have.
I agree totally with this review. i got a chance to play it for a while last week, and Cary nailed it with what he said at the beginning "you are just going though the motions". Music is good, of course, but the playfield lacks things i would call interesting. Best i could say is that it felt like i was playing a much older pinball (maybe cause of the layout), but i never felt that satisfaction of accomplishment (and i did get the top 3rd score on it, and a couple of achievements).
I just started your video and had to stop it right at the intro to comment. A jukebox with flippers is just so wonderfully concise, fantastic opening hook.
With all the code updates, Stranger Things is actually a great pin and I own the pro and the family and I love it. Early code killed it unfortunately, but people are finding out that STh is actually a really good game. Won’t leave my collection anytime soon. Wife and kids won’t let me.
Careful Cary, you're giving Stern ideas. 1. Select your basic layout. 2. Select your theme. 3. Select your financing level. Honestly, that would be pretty cool. Say you love the layout of Deadpool Pro, but you're not a Deadpool fan. You just select the bare wood playfield/cabinet and then select Led Zeppelin as the theme that slapped onto it. I know this is not realistic because the code would not match the shots, but maybe they could make a generic pin, with multiple themes you could choose from. 1 layout, 3 different themes and code to match. Stern saves on R&D. They just code it 3 times and theme it 3 times.
Played a pro on location and now I'm buying a Premium for the exact reasons Cary stated. The 3rd flipper shot is ass and easily drains which SHOULDN"T happen. You should not get penalized for hitting the hardest shot in the game. Imagine if you hit the SNIKT in Deadpool and you bounced off it and drained most of the time. The really GOOD thing about Zep is there's no "OH THATS BULLSHIT" moments. Like hitting a standup that just shoots the ball straight down the middle, or hitting a post that shoots the ball perfectly at the outlane at light speed on purpose. This game flows very well, is fun to play, and has the best music in pinball.
It would prove that stern has a sense of humor if when you made the shot w/o the wire it played "can't get no satisfaction" from the rolling stones when you hit it!!!
You can shoot the middle ramp with the upper flipper! I bought the pro a month ago... actually I like how it plays. But yes the artwork on the cabinet is absolutely boring and terrible.
The consensus seems to be that this is one of the biggest pinball turkeys in recent memory and a very rare miss from Steve Ritchie. Huge shame. Also coming from a Led Zeppelin fan, too.
Played the new Led Zep locally twice and wasnt impressed. went right back to JJP GnR. JJP GnR is like being at a rockshow vs Sterns LZ is like watching a youtube rockshow. Iron Maiden wass way better in theme integration and gameply than LZ.
Great review...too bad Stern will continue to strip these games down just to see how low they can go and still have Stern Nut Swingers buy them....we haven't reached bottom yet it seems. Looking at the down votes I wonder if you can tell who down voted you. I bet one was Gary...LOL
I'm guaranteed at least two down votes per video. There are at least two people out there that are quick to down vote upon upload. So, they are subscribers. lol.
But i totally agree with the led Zeppelin opinion & pretty much all the band based pins to me are unappealing I don't want a foo fighters, or guns & roses - elton John or queen pin in my game room they would look terrible in there lmao! those pins belong in a record store or a big fanboys music room imo! we could listen to that music whenever if we wanted to! no reason to buy a whole pin based off of just led Zeppelin! not saying anything bad abt their music btw jimmy page is a insane guitarist!
That's impossible!!! A "jukebox" wouldn't make any money if it didn't have the bands best songs on it!!!(if you have to ask you can't be a fan, so for the non LZ fans out there it's stairway... "'nuff sed")
Still don't understand why people buy these absolute crappy stern pins, especially the pro's. And we don't need more music themed pins, actually any licensed themed pins at all. And some of these pins are the same as other sterns. What a ripoff. This feels like music today, sounds like the same thing over and over. Cookie cutter. Stop giving these people money and they'll wise up.
I am consistently confused why licensed games are always the most popular in pinball. It's like remaking TV and Movies: why not an original theme? It's cheaper! Make uo your own theme and add 5 extra wireforms or whatever. Look at classic pins: medieval madness, whitewater, circus Voltaire etc...
Same recycled pinball from bally from long time ago with music videos ....bored this will be stern new post and paste method Munsters was their last classic
![[SFM] Risky Recital](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RzNkY1_Nk3o/mqdefault.jpg)
I wish someone would release a Pink Floyd pinball. Now, that would be worth playing.
As long as it's not a stern
With pink floyd, it's almost as though they would need a pinball machine for every album. Because each one has such a strong theme to it. The wall pinball machine. Animals pinball machine. Dark side of the Moon pinball machine. Wish you were here pinball machine etc
Yes please. I’ve been wanting this but I don’t think it’ll ever happen due to licensing
When you look at an Avengers Pro, Jurrassic Park Pro, TMNT pro and then look at LZ there is no comparison on value for the dollar..look how packed those games are compared to LZ, same feeling for Black Knight Pro, its a fun game but it feels bare
What a great video. I love how you are not afraid to say what everyone is thinking. The cost cutting on the pros is getting rediculous. Keep up the great work. All of your videos are so informative and entertaining. The PinSound work you did on that LAH is outstanding!!
I bought my first new pin back in 2010, it was a Dark Knight. I paid 4300 Euro for it. I bought an HUO POTC not much later. If you see how packed that pin was, i don't think i ever seen a pin after it, that had more, or even the same amount of toys etc... on a pro. Recently i checked for a TMNT pro, it was 6300 euro. That's crazy when you think i bought my first LE (called just premium back then) which was a TRON for 5900 euro. Now Stern asks 10.400 euro for an LE. I stopped buying pins after the Star Trek LE. Which blew me away after seeing it's total package. Still costed me 7950 euro. Now i on occasion rent a flipper or buy a used on, to sell it back down the road when i'm tired of it. Pinball has been a big piece of my life, started when i first played a TAF on location, but ended when Stern got way to expensive, and worst of all, the quality dropped over time on too many pins from them. Still wondering how long this can go on? To be honest i thought this would be unsustainable by now. But i was wrong. Still think it has to give sometime.
I honestly don't understand why Stranger Things gets such a bad rap on this channel. I have 18 pins in my collection and it's one of the few that constantly keeps me coming back for more. I actually think it's one of the most underrated pins ever. I've played everything from the classics to modern Sterns. Great content as always. I'll admit, I myself have to pass on this Led Zeppelin pin. Keep up the awesome work Cary!
Stranger Things is a crappy stern machine, like 95% of Sterns. Simple. Tv show was good tho.
Did you buy the 300 dollar upsell UV light? That doesn’t bother you? Also, when do you think Stern will accept Crypto?
I happen to agree with you...with the new code and the uv kit, I think it's one of Stern's best efforts! (Premium or Le)
Now we just need Flip N Out to recommend it and our day will be complete
Pinballgizzard I’ve got an LE and would be one of the last in my collection to leave :)
I’m warming up to stranger things but I play it in location. It’s basically clunky attack from Mars with bad call outs... the sheriff is just so mono tone.
Yeah, the call outs are fuckin terrible "left out lane ball save is lit" 😂
Once you get a chance to play the LZ-Premium...I'll be looking forward to your video on RANKING (from Bad to Best) the Stern Music Pins - AC/DC, KISS, GNR, Beatles, Metallica, LZ, Aerosmith, Iron Maiden (?) and Rolling Stones.
Stern is just phoning it in anymore. so sad. I guess accessible means the ball can touch it? Idk. Im so disappointed in stern. They need to up their game. JJP GNR on the other hand looks well worth it. By removing that wireform its like they are testing how stripped they can make a game and people will still buy it.
Thats a fair review. About what I was thinking.
Right on topic...no drama, no fluff. These are the kind of videos I enjoy. Thanks.
😂
I love this game. My local game does have the upper flipper ramp though. Great video. Couldn’t you strip any game and you wouldn’t know what the game is about, lol. I do like how you can have multi balls ready and almost stay in multi ball the entire time. I like how you can have the song mode and tour multi ball mode working at the same time.Subscribed today👊🏼
Perhaps they needed a mech that allows you to accumulate vodka shots into a John Bonham figure culminating in him throwing up and living this time around.
After seeing all the time and effort that went into the collaboration between JJP and GnR on that machine, it makes me wish that JJP had done Led Zeppelin as well. I bet we'd have gotten a 1,000 times better machine.
Stern put in about 10% of the time and effort JJP put in GnR.
Solid opening line
Fok podcast, make videos only buddy
How much you wanna bet the topper is 6 or 700 bucks?
More like $1000
Why so cheap?
It is already for sale, and the initial run sold out at many distributors for $850 + shipping
Just traded in my stranger things premium... he’s right. Got Black Knight 2020- it’s amazing
Led Zepplin Pinball: A Whole Lotta Dud.
Ha..Your face at the beginning said it all!
Remember, Cary, that updated code will come! Look at the difference with the new code for Stranger Things! I say, wait and see.....
Thanks for reminding me I have a Munsters as a door stop. Code will come and save it too, said the distributor that sold me that. Back to reality, there goes gravity
I should reword that. This is why we need more independent reviewers in the world of pinball. One of the biggest reviewers on RUclips is a distributor. Try selling these cheap machines with huge profits and see how cloudy ones proper honest opinion can get. This machine is shit guys...sorry your in a Stern pussy trance over at TNT, but the masses are getting wiser.
Cyberpunk 2077 was unacceptable, but in the pinball world you actually have the people that sell them, promoting them as just fine in the long run. Unsubscribed TNT, it was fun, but zero respect now.
@@tntamusements Unlike yourself I will not make snarky comments directed at the poster AKA personal attacks. The topic is, are you not saying that Led Zeppelin is a solid investment now, and if not now....it will be in the future because the code will be updated?
whoa! What is all this fuss about? Todd and the TNT crew are buddies of mine. Todd is just giving me the friendly banter as he always does. No need to make a big deal out of it, man.
This confirms everything I've feared as a hardcore LZ fan... Such a shame.
nah not true, i have the LE and i am hardcore and i love ittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!
Trying to buy a new stern pinball machine but every freaking RUclipsr hates all of them. WTH?
Stern is #1, so they get the most hate. They also tend to give us bare bones when it comes to mechs. Some games are better than others.
The 3rd upper flipper is one of the greatest shots in pinball!!!
I went out and bought a Premium. Beautiful pin, terrible "quality" control. Sold it, picked up a pro, added a few mods to my liking, and LOVE it! No where near the problems the LE/Premiums have.
I agree totally with this review. i got a chance to play it for a while last week, and Cary nailed it with what he said at the beginning "you are just going though the motions". Music is good, of course, but the playfield lacks things i would call interesting. Best i could say is that it felt like i was playing a much older pinball (maybe cause of the layout), but i never felt that satisfaction of accomplishment (and i did get the top 3rd score on it, and a couple of achievements).
No Houses of the Holy artwork???
I just started your video and had to stop it right at the intro to comment. A jukebox with flippers is just so wonderfully concise, fantastic opening hook.
Surprisingly I did hit the center ramp with the upper flipper. By accident... Well...
Game is absolutely Phenomenal, wow i was way wrong, Its just incredible if set up correctly with larger flipper coils and extra fan cooling
With all the code updates, Stranger Things is actually a great pin and I own the pro and the family and I love it. Early code killed it unfortunately, but people are finding out that STh is actually a really good game. Won’t leave my collection anytime soon. Wife and kids won’t let me.
Careful Cary, you're giving Stern ideas.
1. Select your basic layout.
2. Select your theme.
3. Select your financing level.
Honestly, that would be pretty cool. Say you love the layout of Deadpool Pro, but you're not a Deadpool fan. You just select the bare wood playfield/cabinet and then select Led Zeppelin as the theme that slapped onto it.
I know this is not realistic because the code would not match the shots, but maybe they could make a generic pin, with multiple themes you could choose from. 1 layout, 3 different themes and code to match. Stern saves on R&D. They just code it 3 times and theme it 3 times.
SE or LE only with this game.
Problem is Deadpool is Phenomenal!!!!! /Ghostbusters close 2nd, got my eye on my 3rd pin, Monster-Bash!!
Played a pro on location and now I'm buying a Premium for the exact reasons Cary stated. The 3rd flipper shot is ass and easily drains which SHOULDN"T happen. You should not get penalized for hitting the hardest shot in the game. Imagine if you hit the SNIKT in Deadpool and you bounced off it and drained most of the time. The really GOOD thing about Zep is there's no "OH THATS BULLSHIT" moments. Like hitting a standup that just shoots the ball straight down the middle, or hitting a post that shoots the ball perfectly at the outlane at light speed on purpose. This game flows very well, is fun to play, and has the best music in pinball.
Thanks for the guts to say what you think! Mr Sharpe will surely move you up on the naughty list, IF your not already at the top.......
I played Led Zeppelin a little over a week ago. It was the pro. It was such a ho hum game. Thank goodness Medieval Madness was right next to it!
I agree, compared to recent Stern Pros, LZ pro is...relatively boring.
Munsters was stern last masterpiece where they took their time on.
Masterpiece? You re being sarcastic, I assume.
@@pinballlover4981 why you didn't care for munsters pinball. That title i heard more than a lot of stern pinballs sense guardians of the galaxy
Munsters was a complete missed opportunity. Owned one and theme was great but gameplay and rules a total wreck.
@@jlarsson1978 I own one with double playfield what specifically bout the rules cause that's a first hearing that for me
@@weloveentertainment9255 I can see you re a casual player if You think Munsters has solid gameplay.
It would prove that stern has a sense of humor if when you made the shot w/o the wire it played "can't get no satisfaction" from the rolling stones when you hit it!!!
You can shoot the middle ramp with the upper flipper! I bought the pro a month ago... actually I like how it plays. But yes the artwork on the cabinet is absolutely boring and terrible.
With all those iconic zep covers and they didnt use Houses of the Holy??
WTF
I really hope this Back to the future game is going to be everything pinball lovers would dream it to be.
Great video and info - helping me keep a few pins off my wish list especially the star wars family.
Culver's? you got those in your area! what a treat! here in Wisconsin every Friday we eat Culver's it's tradition lol!
The consensus seems to be that this is one of the biggest pinball turkeys in recent memory and a very rare miss from Steve Ritchie.
Huge shame. Also coming from a Led Zeppelin fan, too.
Played it, was OK , $3500 pin on a good day
Let's call a spade a spade...This pin sucks, plain and simple....Nice review Cary, keep up the good work.
Played the pro and had a blast!
Agreed Led Zep is a fairly bad effort all around , i wanted it to be great . ( seems very very stripped down and way to basic for a modern pin )
Great info
Played the new Led Zep locally twice and wasnt impressed. went right back to JJP GnR. JJP GnR is like being at a rockshow vs Sterns LZ is like watching a youtube rockshow. Iron Maiden wass way better in theme integration and gameply than LZ.
Harsh but a true honest opinion. Keep it up.
Maybe you could turn up your shutter speed of you cam. Your movement looks smeary. Thanks for the content!
It's a plain boring empty machine without obstacles.
Premium/LE all day
Should’ve saved the pro layout for a Sex Pistols pin- Pretty Vacant
Ok...that made me laugh. Clever.
Speak the truth brother!
Great review...too bad Stern will continue to strip these games down just to see how low they can go and still have Stern Nut Swingers buy them....we haven't reached bottom yet it seems.
Looking at the down votes I wonder if you can tell who down voted you. I bet one was Gary...LOL
I'm guaranteed at least two down votes per video. There are at least two people out there that are quick to down vote upon upload. So, they are subscribers. lol.
Couldn't agree with you more!
But i totally agree with the led Zeppelin opinion & pretty much all the band based pins to me are unappealing I don't want a foo fighters, or guns & roses - elton John or queen pin in my game room they would look terrible in there lmao! those pins belong in a record store or a big fanboys music room imo! we could listen to that music whenever if we wanted to! no reason to buy a whole pin based off of just led Zeppelin! not saying anything bad abt their music btw jimmy page is a insane guitarist!
Sad thing is that this will likely still print money for Stern
That's impossible!!! A "jukebox" wouldn't make any money if it didn't have the bands best songs on it!!!(if you have to ask you can't be a fan, so for the non LZ fans out there it's stairway... "'nuff sed")
I’m a huge Zepp fan and Stairway being their best song is highly debatable. Most mainstream popularity, sure.
Meh, I love the song but it's kinda long and boring for a pin. And certainly not their best song. Just the most well known. 🤷♂
David Fix would say you have not been in the hobby long enough to run with the big boys and your opinion does not count on this. LoL.
Brilliant
Ya this coming from the guy who panned Stranger Things 😂 it’s actually one of the best games out there 👍
One of the best games out there...FOR ME TO POOP ON!
@@Stevaside Triumph. 👍👌🏻
@@Stevaside True, and also correct.
David Fix says your commentary is irrelevant. You weren't in the trenches in the early 2000s buying machines for $300.
You need to run for President!
GnR for the win
Still don't understand why people buy these absolute crappy stern pins, especially the pro's. And we don't need more music themed pins, actually any licensed themed pins at all. And some of these pins are the same as other sterns. What a ripoff.
This feels like music today, sounds like the same thing over and over. Cookie cutter. Stop giving these people money and they'll wise up.
I am consistently confused why licensed games are always the most popular in pinball. It's like remaking TV and Movies: why not an original theme? It's cheaper! Make uo your own theme and add 5 extra wireforms or whatever. Look at classic pins: medieval madness, whitewater, circus Voltaire etc...
I feel like zeppelin is so basic that it’s kinda boring, art is great and the shot you hit are good but it’s kinda boring.
Same recycled pinball from bally from long time ago with music videos ....bored this will be stern new post and paste method
Munsters was their last classic
One of the worst pinballs ever made. It’s a terrible machine. A shame
Completely 'biased' review....
@Jasper Jones Nope....Quite the opposite...