Let me know your thoughts on the new physics! For me, it's a really positive step in the right direction but I don't think everyone is going to be pleased. Also, my merch is nearing release so get yourself signed up to know when it is released! SuperGT.GG
Absolutely game changing physics, and for the better most definitely. You have to be incredibly precise on your throttle, brake and steering inputs to handle the cars now. They feel much more alive and like their real life counterparts. Especially some of the MR cars.
the new physics and controller changes are really game changing for me because before the update i didnt enjoy the circuit experiences really at all, but now i actually was having fun doing them!
I can understand they want to add barrier collision penalties to prevent wallriding, but I really wish they could find a way to make it so that you don't get a penalty for *crashing head on into a wall and dying*
I think they are looking for such solution but added this in the meantime. Remenber these things might seem simple to implement, but the maths and logic behind it is very advanced and since there is no manuel explaining how to do everything, they have to find solutions to these problems themselves.
@Mr Bob Fair point. It's kind of the same as getting penalties for getting rear ended. If there was a full solution, they would have used it already. Still, a man can dream
@@kurgerbingsteve There are so many variables in races that can play into why someone hits a wall or another player. Probably really hard to program the perfectly fair steward when racing can be a bit chaotic at times :)
They need to just know where people can exploit that and make those walls penalty zones. Other than that, it’s always slower to hit a wall. Hitting the wall is already a penalty. The time for hitting a wall is absurd. I get it with hitting a car, but the wall, that’s just dumb and makes no sense.
@@MrStaano You will not be faster with an expensive wheel. You can pass gold comfotably with a pad. I was a pad user since GT1 and have jumped from a pad to a CSL DD. The fancier wheel will feel smoother, react quicker, will be silent, will have no vibrations. It will however, have no weight, way too much resistance, way too much spring, damping that is like that of a truck yet a steering rack of a gokart. However, this is all circumvented with software. Setting it up so it feels just right on your literal "Steering wheel" as some are smaller or larger diameter and weigh differently. Diameter changing leverage, weight changing reaciton speed, oscilation etc. There are world record holders with G27s, and really, if you want to set records cofortably, you'll turn all the feedback to really really low. That's fast. No vibration, minimal feedback, minimal interfierance with your minute inputs, is fastest. A fancy wheel is just for the fun factor. And I will end on a generalisation. There's a lot of ego in car hobbies, you'll hear a lot people saying to "just do this", and they can't say "why". Good luck! After almost about 10 months now I am starting to love my little CSLDD I am happy it's cross compatible so I can play with my console buddies, but getting all the setups for the various road, rally, FF, 4WD, Mid, 1960 vs 2020s, different games, few. It is a learning curve. If all you play one make racing however, it's a lot easier!
I'm laughing at some posts people crying because it's harder to drive, but they complained awhile back it was too arcade like and easy....PD just can't please everyone I guess...
Haha a new game is great in any number of ways… that is until you consider that.. oh ya that stuff. Eh! Great right. Any way have fun an enjoy what you can of this game. 😜😎
Yeah from my testing, any higher df non formula cars (lmp1, super gt, dtm!, etc) you'll want to setup more for oversteer. Before the update from the exit of arnage to the ford chicanes was flat in lmp1, now you'll have to lift and setup the exit of karting.
I realized under the settings on most of the GR.3 cars they cranked up the rear downforce and turned the front downforce down all the way as a default , that plays a part in the feeling of the new understeer feeling
I noticed that when I went to tune the new Audi DTM car but thought that was just how it was, good to know it's a change to the defaults of other classes as well.
@@csechrist1 I had settings sheets saved for the default on all the cars , went through and looked , and realized that was the problem, I need to check if that’s how they are setup under BOP, if so that’s going to be problematic
@Nestor Santana the recommended fanatec settings suck. Try low damper, no friction or interpolation and try to put your sensitivity to 5 and force feedback to 5 or 6 in game. Also make sure to make your controller sensitivity to 5
I like it. Drifting feels much improved IMO. It's just really smooth and manageable when you lose grip, and regaining grip is far easier. At least on a controller.
I'm liking the new physics. The limit is much more narrow on corner exits, but most cars now oversteer more predictably, as you demonstrated at 10:49. The cars now step and slide out instead of whipping and snapping erratically when they regain traction. Different cars have different limits and the sensation of grip varies during oversteer, but overall recovering on a spin-out is far more manageable than before. Downshifting also has more of a clunk and throws a little more weight forward than before.
I just did an endurance race at Le Mans in GT2 and also noticed just how much more careful you have to be on the downshifts. I’m really liking this new update!
A think GT always had was that cars had weight instead of slipping around like ice skating. I liked that because real cars indeed have weight. Making them slippery is silly.
Would love to see you re-do your real life laps of the Nurburgring in the M2 in VR. Maybe even use the Alphard as a stand in for the Fanatec bus as well. Would be interesting to see your take on how close it is to the real life version.
Yeah, noticed the same thing, the front end feels a bit mushy and there's nothing like the turn-in rate there was before. I hated it for an hour - got frustrated and then turned the game off, but I came back later in the day and managed to get a hand on it. "Under-driving the car" definitely seems to be the way to go for me.
I am hugely preferring the new physics personally, but I prefer more planted cars, so I would always choose cars that are prone to understeer - I struggled with twitchy cars before this, particularly ones that seemed to swerve under braking, that's almost completely gone now.
@superGT i havent seen VR content from you in a bit, really enjoyed seeing your engagement to the game when in vr. Would love to see an online racing series in vr to see if you can get to the same level as you do in your main account. Thanks for the videos.
As my driving style relied a lot on trail braking I’ve definitely felt a hit in my lap times with this update. I’ll have to completely change to be able to be competitive again, it feels like.
Yes i was impacted too. I'm on controller, pad acceleration and auto-shift and I had a best time of 6:34.2 for the Nurburgring Nord CE just before the update. My first try to the same CE was 6:41 and the drive did feel very different after update. I had to go back to the sector training and after getting gold again for each sector, I set out to try the full lap and got around 6:35.4 on my first complete run. Trail braking was indeed a lot less effective after update and the BMW in particular became more prone to sliding in acceleration. As for the OTT with Alphard, which is a car added after the update, it did not understeer as much as I expected, and I wonder if cars of an understeering nature would all become less understeering than before...
I'm struggling with this new update. But your key points were accurate. One has to be gentler with everything. You can't overdrive anymore. Oh well...change is the only constant in life.
PD are really close to nailing the driving model for GT7 after this update....they just need to reduce effects of dirty air and reduce under steer in FR cars...and it will be the best physics Gran turismo has ever had And great job with the video as always. This is by far the most in-depth video on RUclips for this physics change update
I noticed the same thing, the grip feels really different. I noticed it first at the first hairpin on Dragon's Trail. The grip feels like it's progressive if you give the car time to settle
I was working on the track experience practicing the chicane of death before the update so I am excited to see what it is like with these changes. It's such a rough part of the track, especially for someone fairly new to sim racing like myself. Not being able to brute force corners anymore scares me a bit because I have to admit, that is a frequent accidental tactic of mine haha.
Thanks for the review, I am looking forward to trying it out tomorrow, I think from what you have said it will be better for my driving style. I often watch videos and think that cars just won't do that and have really struggled with trying to adapt from what works real world.
i drove the supra (gt500) on dragon trail and the s15 on Brands today and i almost had to vomit at the understeer bonanza that i put myself into. yes the cars are more stable and if the back gets loose are more controlable on a controler but atleast these two cars never felt THAT bad to get into and trough a corner.
ah good, its not just me i didn't realise it was in the patch notes, i am rusty as because i haven't played in months but still i like it i'm no pro race driver but it feels a little more natural to how a car feels, while making it a little easier to save mistakes it seems
Now it is time to revamp the penalty system. I was trying Dragon Trail today and was smashed all over the wall on chicane entry from behind by three cars. I got 5 seconds for hitting another car and extra 1.5s for hitting the wall. Others got nothing 😂 I landed at 12th place at the end of the 1st lap but managed to finish 3rd so driving was really nice and fun. But those penalties are sooo crazy.
I honestly feel like these physics changes are a step backwards. My main grinding car understeers badly now, and the traction control settings are also a change for the worse. I'm not going to stop playing the game or anything, and will do my best to get used to the new update. It just seems like the game punishes casual players/ newer players or anyone who isn't a professional Sim racer with a nice wheel and pedal setup. The cars should be predictable. Now it feels like I have no idea what the car will do now, if it's going to understeer, or completely break traction at random times, when I'm trying my best to be smooth at corner entry and exits.
4:31 bruh.. Wadaya doen with 360 rotation on anything but a formula car. Bruh Your settings are wack. It makes you lean heavily on just visual driving and muscle memory from just grinding the tracks into your brain and not feel. Reduce your Nat damp to like 20 and increase your ffb intensity to like 70. Using the McLaren wheel you should really be running like atleast Nat inertia of 5 and friction atleast turned to 1 to enable the function I loled out loud when you said you really need to crank on the wheel. Bruh Wadaya mean with 360 rotation 🤣
I noticed TC1 now actually feels more like an actual TC1 where the car can still step out when youre too quick on the throttle. Before the update TC1 felt the same as TC6 to me.
Used to do 6 min 30 sec on norch with the gtr nismo(no nitro), the corner after the long straight was always a crash if I didn't slow down to less then 300kph Edit: forgot to add it was on gt6
I've been playing with the new physics all weekend now. Here's a couple notable things I've picked up on. 1) When tire wear is a factor, the aggressiveness of your throttle input has pretty big effect on the drive tires. I've noticed my gt3rs wears the rears considerably more if I'm constantly stomping the gas pedal. Much more realistic in that way. 2) There's something a bit weird happening with wheel speed and downforce with the new physics. If you car starts loosing traction and picking up considerable wheel speed at speed, it becomes pretty much uncontrollable and you get spun out very suddenly. Best way to test this, get a daytona charger, and try doing the daytona oval track with it. Take a bank at speed, you'll notice the rear become light, pick up wheel speed, and you'll spin out almost immediately. Yes I understand this car has 0 downforce, but any classic car that has little downforce is pretty much undriveable on the oval track at speed. 3) Trail braking is definitely much harder to manage with the new physics 4) Delicate throttle input effects understeer a lot. Like you've mentioned, before you were able to brute force, now you'd actually be faster taking some long sweeping corners at 90% throttle rather than 100%.
I hated how ABS Default let you mash the brake pedal through to the tarmac and let you turn the wheel and automatically trail brake for you in the last physics version. The game also let you get away with dead-pedals mid corner way too much. It looks like this update now punishes both of these, which is nice. Smooth considered inputs should be what it takes to go fast, not driving like a chimp that’s just received a stinging slap to the testes.
I can see the positive things with the new physics but overall I do not like it and what I don’t like is the feeling you get when you lose traction drifting etc cause the ffb feel is very bland compared to how it used to be so I’m one of the many people who don’t like it unfortunately 😢
It might feel good but some of the missions and lap expert gold challenges are downright impossible now (Viper Laguna Seca challenge, Nismo mission, F1500T-A rain mission). Haven't tried any license ones but some were deemed impossible there as well.
Ive been on GT for almost the whole 25 years... a diehard polyphony fan. and these new "physics" or lack of, are beyond trash.. on a g923 it simply feels like they disabled force feedback. its basically erased, feels like my wheel is making less than 50%of its old Tq rating on max. True force vibration is gone, with zero feedback the game is unplayable. I cant be the only one furious about this.
I agree with you. The game is completely unplayable on Logitech wheels. Slight steering inputs cause the car to act erratically whereas other times the car will not react at all. I thought this may have been a ps4 issue but maybe these new physics don’t mesh well with Logitech wheels.
It’s same story on tgt2 now . but people saying t300 has increased ffb . I think they will have to patch it asap , as some wheels have been affected differently.
@@13x10s it seems as if these new physics compliment the direct drive wheels best. Hopefully they will make a patch soon to fix the problems regular wheels are enduring.
I noticed right away that it reacts much more intuitively during. You don't instantly just snap into something like that of an alligator death roll when you clip a kerb a bit too hard. I was able to get in and complete my cafe menu 42 with the prototypes that had been eluding me for the last couple months and with quite a margin over the others. Glad they made it more realistic!
I like the update, now I get more information from the ffb and it feels more connected to the car. The wheel is now communicating better the physics engine. If they will add more road surface feeling on the straights, engine vibrations and curbs details on some tracks the game will be perfect. Good to see they are going to the right direction, maybe some road cars are too light now on the wheel, they should consider adding a per car force feedback setting that we can adjust and save
Yeah.. Totally agree... its such a pity and totally not understandable why there is almost NO FFB on straits and curbs... this could be SO much more immersive...
Yeah why the hell don't they make ffb not suck! It's horrible. I play acc and then come crying back to the vr on gt7 because the vr is soooo good but ffb is soooooo bad haha.
The new physics made dragon trail impossible for me. I have like 5 or 6 races of me sending people to our best friend Berry R, as well as shadow realm entries. I saw a car take flight last night.
my last race, it was lap 9 and I was right behind 3rd going into the death chicane. He overshot the turn, and parked his car on the apex of the inside chicane, blocking the line, i went into him at full speed, and I got a penalty for the barrier, while he went on to finish podium, I limped home to like 6th.
With a plethora of gt7 to watch on RUclips it’s still the commentary that makes you stand out 😂 I totally agree with your assessment of the new physics. So much more “sim” like 👍🏼 and more reliance on smoother inputs all round. Other subtle differences you will notice as you play more. Main one I’m noticing is more engine power related. It seems to be more effect of power loss when you over rev the engine. Paying attention to the power curve gives you the best rpm to change gears. Before it was more just rev the shit out it-now that is much slower. 👍🏼👍🏼
I wish they’d update the motion steering option (deadzone option more specifically) because it’s really annoying wanting an ideal sensitivity while having the small end responsiveness
The new Physics is Good & Bad. I love the feel, but those lap times are really effecting too. I for one have been experiencing Lap Times 3 seconds average slower than normal. Which with losing 3 Seconds makes a big difference. Especially for the Single Player Races, or even to those chasing the Gold Times in the Licenses, it makes a difference. The Cars also seem to be fighting the Acceleration a bit more too.
After testing it further, I’m losing on average 5 Seconds of Lap Time. This actually does make the “Single Player” Areas alot worse and harder to play. So, this is hurting every Car’s Performance rather than improving it. I honestly am wishing they do put things back to normal. I’m honestly not enjoying the new Physics, as I do play all areas, the Single Player areas will need alot of improvements now.
I haven't played this update with my wheel yet (since it's a major hassle moving my whole rig around), but what I did notice was that 120 fps mode is a definite improvement. Just the feeling of fluidity on the menus is enough to warrant getting a 120Hz display. It is delicious. But also, either I get the perception of it, or it actually is a little faster navigating between menus. It maybe because it is so much more fluid though.
I'm glad consoles & phones in the past couple years has made people realize how 60fps is not the limit on what we can notice, feel, or even see. 90+ hz/fps is a dramatic improvement over 60 & 120 smooths it out even more. While I've never tried above 144, I can say that I notice no difference from 110-144.
@@bbbbbbb51 I'm lucky enough to have a 175Hz monitor, and the difference between 175 and 120 is noticeable, but in the same way that the difference between 4k and 6k is noticeable. It's a little better, but it really doesn't matter
The game calls itself a simulator. A Real one, at that. It should be difficult, a bit tricky to get to grips with. Gran Turismo should require practice by default.
To me it feels like the cars are a lot more planted and weighty in the sense that they feel like there's actual grip of tyres pressed into the road by the weight of the car. I found the weight in the front end slightly harder to shove around compared to before
@@Zascar_88 I genuinely felt it. The suspension and steering really collaborate well with the grip now. It's very much sim like now compared to before. Not perfect on all cars..but definitely up there. Hasn't been too long since game released. I'm sure it will improve further. Already feels like a different game
The only annoying thing in this update is that Intermediate tires now disintegrate on dry surfaces. Used to be able to do about 2-3 laps on Sarthe whilst still having some durability left. Now you can only do 1 because you'll lose a tire in the second lap nearly guaranteed.
Yeah good to know I had the same vibe. Tho the lap times are slower the racing, been closer to other cars the car feels more settled giving me more confidence to go for overtakes. Even feel more settled to let off a bit let someone through and perform the legendary switcheroo.
So far, I think the aerodynamic change is that the rearwing has more effect. I’ve just turned it down a handful on the 930, the rear was so overplanted. And it’s still not half as scary as it used to be. Not sure yet if I like that aspect: white knuckled spasms are part of the charm of the 930 :)
First track I drove with the new physics was Monza with a 918 and I was hating it because it was understeer city… but I eventually realized it was the brakes giving up due to fade at T1 plus the weight and sheer speed of that car that was making it seem overly difficult. After driving some more regular cars and a few GT cars with better aero, I’ve noticed that the physics are actually a little more nuanced and predictable - different but I’m definitely liking it. Snap oversteer is definitely back in a big way with some cars, but honestly that exists in the real world with certain overpowered / poorly set up cars so I’m fine with it. Overall good update - but I do wish they’d settle on a physics model and leave it alone
I think the opposite: the physics are less alive and the cars feel so much easier to drive. The physics seem less detailed and more watered down in my opinion. I found that road cars feel much heavier and lazier than before. Maybe it's to do with the fact I play on a regular controller.
I’ve found that the cars have a bit more understeer, and that jamming the throttle even on full TCS can cause the engine to lag… but it makes driving a lot less mindless and that’s not a bad thing.
Haha! INCONVENIENT-TOE here 😂. Surprised to be labelled as the GOAT, but I'll take it. I managed to nip your time in the end. I'll admit it took me about an hour so please don't beat me too hard if you go back 😂. Liking the new physics 🤘
I'm not sure about anyone else. But for me. I mainly drive the Lamborghini huracan in groups 3 and 4. And they feel more planted in the back but also ruined the car for me because I used the snapping rear end for the rotation. Now I'm like a second off my old pace.
Fair point but remember that all of cars in gr.3 are slightly slower now. Your pace difference is mostly down to the BOP change than the physics. But yes, the Huracan definitely doesn't rotate as much as it did before.
so they made cars less stable, braking while turning or even braking for a split second is impossible now since you cant turn, wheel lockdown and now all cars understeer....this is update was just made to make things more difficult, harsher wall penalties included and yet some people still get away with ramming you into a wall and keeping the pole they stole i would say this update made all our problems worse for us casuals.
Steve I think another thing to think about with the overall lap times lowering is also that well, its just new to everyone. Guys setting record lap times have hundreds of hours with those particular physics that they get used too.
As a controller player, the new physics are much much harder to deal with. You just don't have the trigger or joystick travel to balance things as easily on the limit. It's a bit disappointing as I really enjoyed the previous physics as they allowed me to push but would punish you if you did get it too wrong. That's disappointing as those of us who either don't play as regularly or can't afford a wheel are unduly punished by the new physics.
Ch tyres are much, much less grippy than before! Important for me as I use them to tune cars, they highlight weaknesses in a car's handling. But now they're so slidey I might have to switch to cm tyres for tuning.
I like the physics. The only thing they need to fix is the power to weight ratio when tuning cars or racing BOP in correlation with power to weight. It is completely unbalanced but PP system rewards cars that lack in power and cornering ability compare to cars that can. Example. Evo and Viper.
Now GT7 just needs more customization for the driving experience, such as customizing the cockpit view much more, same with hood view and bumper view, etc. Allow us to change the amount of camera movement in several increments, allow us to have 10x as much options for how far away or close the camera is, same with the height. Allow us to choose whether a virtual mirror is on or off in EVERY camera view, not just one.
There hasn't been much VR content from you lately. Is VR less enjoyable to you? I'm guessing it's not comfortable having the headset on for many hours straight.
I think the skill gap has been reduced on road cars and increased for race cars. Much easier to drive casually but harder to master the competitive side
Do you not have to tune/setup the cars to make them perform better (like a real car)? Toe, camber, caster, rebound, stiffness, ride height, diff etc? If the physics have changed then any setup you previously applied to your cars will be off by a mile.
Hmmm I don't know if I really like the "improved" physics. Cars now feel like they have slow speed under steer, and high speed oversteer when you wanna nail the exit.
Am I the only one greatly disappointed with this update?. I feel like there are so many problems with the game that are more important than what they choose to address.
So basically it will now be even harder to drive faster with a controller...especially with the PS4 one, although I like that they are pushing the game to match reality, I do wish there would be a》 controller driven lap remark 《with every lap time on the world rankings and so separated view on rankings (wheel/pedals or controller)...
I found that my K20 Mini drives so much better! It used to rotate itself to oversteer too much and I hated using it. RWD cars are more predictable too. Enjoying the game again. ( Gamepad user)
I feel like the life span and grip of the tires have shifted to the next grade. For example, racing soft feel and last like racing medium and racing medium feels and acts like racing hard. I don't have the same confidence as I use to diving in to certain corners at speeds I was use to, so I have to adjust. Nothing more that I can do really, but it saddens me that I can't beat my best. On a positive note: The new Porsche 959 is a blast to drive once you get used to the physics! P.S. this is from the viewpoint of a control user. One day I'll have the wheel and pedals.
I havent played Gran Turismo since GT4. And the more I watch your videos, the urge for buying a PS5 and GT5 increases. Really good content in all your videos!
Yep, tires last longer and do not affect PP that much. Somehow better cornering ability at cost of loading traction while exiting the corner. Worse cornering at high speeds. But I like it.
One thing that I noticed after the update (while doing Daily C), the tire behavior is pretty noticeable- especially the left hander after the chicane, cars would dive into the corner but now they feel a bit understeery with the added weight 🥴
Let me know your thoughts on the new physics! For me, it's a really positive step in the right direction but I don't think everyone is going to be pleased.
Also, my merch is nearing release so get yourself signed up to know when it is released! SuperGT.GG
Step in the right direction...I think. More importantly I think its great they're giving so much attention to the game with free updates 🙌🙌
Absolutely game changing physics, and for the better most definitely. You have to be incredibly precise on your throttle, brake and steering inputs to handle the cars now. They feel much more alive and like their real life counterparts. Especially some of the MR cars.
Not an improvement in my opinion
the new physics and controller changes are really game changing for me because before the update i didnt enjoy the circuit experiences really at all, but now i actually was having fun doing them!
I think it's far more engaging and I love it.
I can understand they want to add barrier collision penalties to prevent wallriding, but I really wish they could find a way to make it so that you don't get a penalty for *crashing head on into a wall and dying*
I think they are looking for such solution but added this in the meantime. Remenber these things might seem simple to implement, but the maths and logic behind it is very advanced and since there is no manuel explaining how to do everything, they have to find solutions to these problems themselves.
for real. so annoying🤣🤣🤣
@Mr Bob Fair point. It's kind of the same as getting penalties for getting rear ended. If there was a full solution, they would have used it already. Still, a man can dream
@@kurgerbingsteve There are so many variables in races that can play into why someone hits a wall or another player. Probably really hard to program the perfectly fair steward when racing can be a bit chaotic at times :)
They need to just know where people can exploit that and make those walls penalty zones. Other than that, it’s always slower to hit a wall. Hitting the wall is already a penalty. The time for hitting a wall is absurd. I get it with hitting a car, but the wall, that’s just dumb and makes no sense.
The Nordschleife track experience will always be a good benchmark for driving skill, it's doable but there's little room for error!
Definitely. It's one of the hardest ones - long and tricky circuit combined with an awkward car. Always a good overall test of handling/physics.
i almost had it before the update. Now im lapping 5 seconds slower....
@@christurbo9481 oof, that sucks. It takes a while, but with a comfortable car and enough seat time, I'm sure you'll get it down 👍🏽👍🏽
@@Super_GT I have a logitech g29. Are more expensive racingwheels faster? Any recommendations?
@@MrStaano You will not be faster with an expensive wheel. You can pass gold comfotably with a pad. I was a pad user since GT1 and have jumped from a pad to a CSL DD.
The fancier wheel will feel smoother, react quicker, will be silent, will have no vibrations.
It will however, have no weight, way too much resistance, way too much spring, damping that is like that of a truck yet a steering rack of a gokart.
However, this is all circumvented with software. Setting it up so it feels just right on your literal "Steering wheel" as some are smaller or larger diameter and weigh differently. Diameter changing leverage, weight changing reaciton speed, oscilation etc.
There are world record holders with G27s, and really, if you want to set records cofortably, you'll turn all the feedback to really really low. That's fast. No vibration, minimal feedback, minimal interfierance with your minute inputs, is fastest.
A fancy wheel is just for the fun factor. And I will end on a generalisation.
There's a lot of ego in car hobbies, you'll hear a lot people saying to "just do this", and they can't say "why".
Good luck!
After almost about 10 months now I am starting to love my little CSLDD I am happy it's cross compatible so I can play with my console buddies, but getting all the setups for the various road, rally, FF, 4WD, Mid, 1960 vs 2020s, different games, few. It is a learning curve.
If all you play one make racing however, it's a lot easier!
I'm laughing at some posts people crying because it's harder to drive, but they complained awhile back it was too arcade like and easy....PD just can't please everyone I guess...
Hey Steve, been watching your stuff for a while now and finally got my first online win today in the sambabus!
Cheers for all the videos :)
The AMONGBUS?
@@broeretop1 The Spongebobus ;)
Absolute W of a debut win
I’m gonna need new setups for cars aren’t I?
Haha a new game is great in any number of ways… that is until you consider that.. oh ya that stuff. Eh! Great right. Any way have fun an enjoy what you can of this game. 😜😎
Yeah from my testing, any higher df non formula cars (lmp1, super gt, dtm!, etc) you'll want to setup more for oversteer. Before the update from the exit of arnage to the ford chicanes was flat in lmp1, now you'll have to lift and setup the exit of karting.
Yes
Every car it seems like
No, or my setups are just that good already 🤣
I realized under the settings on most of the GR.3 cars they cranked up the rear downforce and turned the front downforce down all the way as a default , that plays a part in the feeling of the new understeer feeling
I noticed that when I went to tune the new Audi DTM car but thought that was just how it was, good to know it's a change to the defaults of other classes as well.
@@csechrist1 I had settings sheets saved for the default on all the cars , went through and looked , and realized that was the problem, I need to check if that’s how they are setup under BOP, if so that’s going to be problematic
I also noticed that with ABS on it doesn't active as much? In some corners I can brake 100% and it doesn't activate instantly like it did before
Oh I jumped on my gr3 game and thought the game was broke and my cars had become trash, ill check that out later
As a fellow dd1 owner the game feels a thousand times better now. i am in love with gran turisomo again. glad your enjoying the game supergt.
same on my csl dd gt. night and day
Did you had to make any changes to the settings? My dd1 feels different on a bad way after the update.
@Nestor Santana the recommended fanatec settings suck. Try low damper, no friction or interpolation and try to put your sensitivity to 5 and force feedback to 5 or 6 in game. Also make sure to make your controller sensitivity to 5
Agree 100%
@@muhammadracingHi. are you on dd1? Mind posting your in game and dd settings?
Two things you missed are the tire temperatures and changed TC settings.
I like it. Drifting feels much improved IMO. It's just really smooth and manageable when you lose grip, and regaining grip is far easier. At least on a controller.
IMO it feels horrible on a wheel now, super vague FFB and front wheels dont wanna naturally turn away from the corner when the back end steps out
I'm liking the new physics. The limit is much more narrow on corner exits, but most cars now oversteer more predictably, as you demonstrated at 10:49. The cars now step and slide out instead of whipping and snapping erratically when they regain traction. Different cars have different limits and the sensation of grip varies during oversteer, but overall recovering on a spin-out is far more manageable than before. Downshifting also has more of a clunk and throws a little more weight forward than before.
That is music to my ears, because losing it when that snap of traction kicks in, is my number 1 issue!
100% you can feel the push through under steer now too.
Some cars it does feel better, but others are absolutely undrivable.
Huge improvement!
I just did an endurance race at Le Mans in GT2 and also noticed just how much more careful you have to be on the downshifts. I’m really liking this new update!
Dude gets more views in one hour than I do in 12 🤣. GG, Steve! Was keen to hear your perspective on this.
Feels so much worse now, I know some people like it but everything is too slippery now
A think GT always had was that cars had weight instead of slipping around like ice skating. I liked that because real cars indeed have weight.
Making them slippery is silly.
Would love to see you re-do your real life laps of the Nurburgring in the M2 in VR. Maybe even use the Alphard as a stand in for the Fanatec bus as well. Would be interesting to see your take on how close it is to the real life version.
Yeah, noticed the same thing, the front end feels a bit mushy and there's nothing like the turn-in rate there was before. I hated it for an hour - got frustrated and then turned the game off, but I came back later in the day and managed to get a hand on it. "Under-driving the car" definitely seems to be the way to go for me.
I am hugely preferring the new physics personally, but I prefer more planted cars, so I would always choose cars that are prone to understeer - I struggled with twitchy cars before this, particularly ones that seemed to swerve under braking, that's almost completely gone now.
Funny you say that, I had pretty much the exact same experience. Under driving is definitely the way to do it now
@superGT i havent seen VR content from you in a bit, really enjoyed seeing your engagement to the game when in vr. Would love to see an online racing series in vr to see if you can get to the same level as you do in your main account. Thanks for the videos.
As my driving style relied a lot on trail braking I’ve definitely felt a hit in my lap times with this update. I’ll have to completely change to be able to be competitive again, it feels like.
Same.
Yes update not good for my style either, overnight I'm not competitive and struggling to complete a clean race
Yes i was impacted too. I'm on controller, pad acceleration and auto-shift and I had a best time of 6:34.2 for the Nurburgring Nord CE just before the update. My first try to the same CE was 6:41 and the drive did feel very different after update. I had to go back to the sector training and after getting gold again for each sector, I set out to try the full lap and got around 6:35.4 on my first complete run. Trail braking was indeed a lot less effective after update and the BMW in particular became more prone to sliding in acceleration. As for the OTT with Alphard, which is a car added after the update, it did not understeer as much as I expected, and I wonder if cars of an understeering nature would all become less understeering than before...
I'm struggling with this new update. But your key points were accurate. One has to be gentler with everything. You can't overdrive anymore. Oh well...change is the only constant in life.
PD are really close to nailing the driving model for GT7 after this update....they just need to reduce effects of dirty air and reduce under steer in FR cars...and it will be the best physics Gran turismo has ever had
And great job with the video as always. This is by far the most in-depth video on RUclips for this physics change update
It seems to make things more predictable, which is a pretty massive improvement for sure. PD have been doing solid work this year!
The physics did change. And i love it. The tyres really feel like they stress .. amazing. 😊
I noticed the same thing, the grip feels really different. I noticed it first at the first hairpin on Dragon's Trail. The grip feels like it's progressive if you give the car time to settle
I was working on the track experience practicing the chicane of death before the update so I am excited to see what it is like with these changes. It's such a rough part of the track, especially for someone fairly new to sim racing like myself. Not being able to brute force corners anymore scares me a bit because I have to admit, that is a frequent accidental tactic of mine haha.
Shouldn’t trailbraking make the car turn more?
Thanks for the review, I am looking forward to trying it out tomorrow, I think from what you have said it will be better for my driving style. I often watch videos and think that cars just won't do that and have really struggled with trying to adapt from what works real world.
i drove the supra (gt500) on dragon trail and the s15 on Brands today and i almost had to vomit at the understeer bonanza that i put myself into. yes the cars are more stable and if the back gets loose are more controlable on a controler but atleast these two cars never felt THAT bad to get into and trough a corner.
ah good, its not just me
i didn't realise it was in the patch notes, i am rusty as because i haven't played in months but still i like it
i'm no pro race driver but it feels a little more natural to how a car feels, while making it a little easier to save mistakes it seems
Now it is time to revamp the penalty system. I was trying Dragon Trail today and was smashed all over the wall on chicane entry from behind by three cars. I got 5 seconds for hitting another car and extra 1.5s for hitting the wall. Others got nothing 😂 I landed at 12th place at the end of the 1st lap but managed to finish 3rd so driving was really nice and fun. But those penalties are sooo crazy.
I honestly feel like these physics changes are a step backwards. My main grinding car understeers badly now, and the traction control settings are also a change for the worse. I'm not going to stop playing the game or anything, and will do my best to get used to the new update. It just seems like the game punishes casual players/ newer players or anyone who isn't a professional Sim racer with a nice wheel and pedal setup. The cars should be predictable. Now it feels like I have no idea what the car will do now, if it's going to understeer, or completely break traction at random times, when I'm trying my best to be smooth at corner entry and exits.
You need to re do your set up… sorry !
It’s definitely worse for sure, Cars are way too much grip in the rear and no grip up front
I had to do a medium retune most of my FF and MR cars. Very frustrating.
4:31 bruh..
Wadaya doen with 360 rotation on anything but a formula car.
Bruh
Your settings are wack. It makes you lean heavily on just visual driving and muscle memory from just grinding the tracks into your brain and not feel. Reduce your Nat damp to like 20 and increase your ffb intensity to like 70. Using the McLaren wheel you should really be running like atleast Nat inertia of 5 and friction atleast turned to 1 to enable the function
I loled out loud when you said you really need to crank on the wheel.
Bruh Wadaya mean with 360 rotation 🤣
bro would it be possible to share your settings?
I noticed TC1 now actually feels more like an actual TC1 where the car can still step out when youre too quick on the throttle. Before the update TC1 felt the same as TC6 to me.
YES! I just noticed that today as well.
Fanatec recently brought an Update that improved the PDDs Force Feedback. So you might wanna get the newest Driver and install the firmware.
what is PDD? I am a bit of a noob
Used to do 6 min 30 sec on norch with the gtr nismo(no nitro), the corner after the long straight was always a crash if I didn't slow down to less then 300kph
Edit: forgot to add it was on gt6
Woah woah, what kind of madman doesn't clear the Cafe notifications?! I couldn't live with that Steve!
All those videos of Death Chicane, undrivable corner had reached to the developers & now they have made it to your liking
I've been playing with the new physics all weekend now. Here's a couple notable things I've picked up on.
1) When tire wear is a factor, the aggressiveness of your throttle input has pretty big effect on the drive tires. I've noticed my gt3rs wears the rears considerably more if I'm constantly stomping the gas pedal. Much more realistic in that way.
2) There's something a bit weird happening with wheel speed and downforce with the new physics. If you car starts loosing traction and picking up considerable wheel speed at speed, it becomes pretty much uncontrollable and you get spun out very suddenly. Best way to test this, get a daytona charger, and try doing the daytona oval track with it. Take a bank at speed, you'll notice the rear become light, pick up wheel speed, and you'll spin out almost immediately. Yes I understand this car has 0 downforce, but any classic car that has little downforce is pretty much undriveable on the oval track at speed.
3) Trail braking is definitely much harder to manage with the new physics
4) Delicate throttle input effects understeer a lot. Like you've mentioned, before you were able to brute force, now you'd actually be faster taking some long sweeping corners at 90% throttle rather than 100%.
it seems like just yesterday you were getting used to the wheel after switching from controller. Time flies holy
I hated how ABS Default let you mash the brake pedal through to the tarmac and let you turn the wheel and automatically trail brake for you in the last physics version. The game also let you get away with dead-pedals mid corner way too much. It looks like this update now punishes both of these, which is nice.
Smooth considered inputs should be what it takes to go fast, not driving like a chimp that’s just received a stinging slap to the testes.
I can see the positive things with the new physics but overall I do not like it and what I don’t like is the feeling you get when you lose traction drifting etc cause the ffb feel is very bland compared to how it used to be so I’m one of the many people who don’t like it unfortunately 😢
yup it feels totally vague right?
It might feel good but some of the missions and lap expert gold challenges are downright impossible now (Viper Laguna Seca challenge, Nismo mission, F1500T-A rain mission). Haven't tried any license ones but some were deemed impossible there as well.
Ive been on GT for almost the whole 25 years... a diehard polyphony fan. and these new "physics" or lack of, are beyond trash.. on a g923 it simply feels like they disabled force feedback. its basically erased, feels like my wheel is making less than 50%of its old Tq rating on max. True force vibration is gone, with zero feedback the game is unplayable. I cant be the only one furious about this.
I agree with you. The game is completely unplayable on Logitech wheels. Slight steering inputs cause the car to act erratically whereas other times the car will not react at all. I thought this may have been a ps4 issue but maybe these new physics don’t mesh well with Logitech wheels.
It’s same story on tgt2 now . but people saying t300 has increased ffb . I think they will have to patch it asap , as some wheels have been affected differently.
@@13x10s it seems as if these new physics compliment the direct drive wheels best. Hopefully they will make a patch soon to fix the problems regular wheels are enduring.
I noticed right away that it reacts much more intuitively during. You don't instantly just snap into something like that of an alligator death roll when you clip a kerb a bit too hard. I was able to get in and complete my cafe menu 42 with the prototypes that had been eluding me for the last couple months and with quite a margin over the others. Glad they made it more realistic!
I like the update, now I get more information from the ffb and it feels more connected to the car. The wheel is now communicating better the physics engine. If they will add more road surface feeling on the straights, engine vibrations and curbs details on some tracks the game will be perfect. Good to see they are going to the right direction, maybe some road cars are too light now on the wheel, they should consider adding a per car force feedback setting that we can adjust and save
Yeah.. Totally agree... its such a pity and totally not understandable why there is almost NO FFB on straits and curbs... this could be SO much more immersive...
Yeah why the hell don't they make ffb not suck! It's horrible. I play acc and then come crying back to the vr on gt7 because the vr is soooo good but ffb is soooooo bad haha.
@@UsmanKhan-coolmf I just found out if you increase the camber values to 3-4 degrees, it gets a lot better
@@Dunserful I'll try it. Thanks for the tip!
The new physics made dragon trail impossible for me. I have like 5 or 6 races of me sending people to our best friend Berry R, as well as shadow realm entries. I saw a car take flight last night.
That damn chicane is the worst thing man has ever created.
@@mythoughts3759 agree. I hate that track
Lol I love It. There's so much room for driver error that I feel like it levels out the playing field.
Best track in the game for me.
my last race, it was lap 9 and I was right behind 3rd going into the death chicane. He overshot the turn, and parked his car on the apex of the inside chicane, blocking the line, i went into him at full speed, and I got a penalty for the barrier, while he went on to finish podium, I limped home to like 6th.
"...feels like an aircraft carrier with a turning circle of 8 years" 😂
With a plethora of gt7 to watch on RUclips it’s still the commentary that makes you stand out 😂
I totally agree with your assessment of the new physics.
So much more “sim” like 👍🏼 and more reliance on smoother inputs all round. Other subtle differences you will notice as you play more. Main one I’m noticing is more engine power related. It seems to be more effect of power loss when you over rev the engine. Paying attention to the power curve gives you the best rpm to change gears. Before it was more just rev the shit out it-now that is much slower. 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanky for your useful analytics! I felt the same. The change is for the better 🙂
I wish they’d update the motion steering option (deadzone option more specifically) because it’s really annoying wanting an ideal sensitivity while having the small end responsiveness
just when i needed a class video to watch and chill out with, the goat delivers
The new Physics is Good & Bad. I love the feel, but those lap times are really effecting too.
I for one have been experiencing Lap Times 3 seconds average slower than normal. Which with losing 3 Seconds makes a big difference. Especially for the Single Player Races, or even to those chasing the Gold Times in the Licenses, it makes a difference.
The Cars also seem to be fighting the Acceleration a bit more too.
After testing it further,
I’m losing on average 5 Seconds of Lap Time. This actually does make the “Single Player” Areas alot worse and harder to play.
So, this is hurting every Car’s Performance rather than improving it.
I honestly am wishing they do put things back to normal. I’m honestly not enjoying the new Physics, as I do play all areas, the Single Player areas will need alot of improvements now.
I haven't played this update with my wheel yet (since it's a major hassle moving my whole rig around), but what I did notice was that 120 fps mode is a definite improvement.
Just the feeling of fluidity on the menus is enough to warrant getting a 120Hz display. It is delicious.
But also, either I get the perception of it, or it actually is a little faster navigating between menus. It maybe because it is so much more fluid though.
I'm glad consoles & phones in the past couple years has made people realize how 60fps is not the limit on what we can notice, feel, or even see. 90+ hz/fps is a dramatic improvement over 60 & 120 smooths it out even more. While I've never tried above 144, I can say that I notice no difference from 110-144.
@@bbbbbbb51 I'm lucky enough to have a 175Hz monitor, and the difference between 175 and 120 is noticeable, but in the same way that the difference between 4k and 6k is noticeable. It's a little better, but it really doesn't matter
The game calls itself a simulator. A Real one, at that. It should be difficult, a bit tricky to get to grips with. Gran Turismo should require practice by default.
It does and always did.
To me it feels like the cars are a lot more planted and weighty in the sense that they feel like there's actual grip of tyres pressed into the road by the weight of the car.
I found the weight in the front end slightly harder to shove around compared to before
Honestly it feels like tires have some shape now, you can feel it.... there is a sidewall now.... camber and toe may make big differences
@@Zascar_88 I genuinely felt it. The suspension and steering really collaborate well with the grip now. It's very much sim like now compared to before.
Not perfect on all cars..but definitely up there. Hasn't been too long since game released. I'm sure it will improve further. Already feels like a different game
The only annoying thing in this update is that Intermediate tires now disintegrate on dry surfaces. Used to be able to do about 2-3 laps on Sarthe whilst still having some durability left. Now you can only do 1 because you'll lose a tire in the second lap nearly guaranteed.
Yeah good to know I had the same vibe. Tho the lap times are slower the racing, been closer to other cars the car feels more settled giving me more confidence to go for overtakes. Even feel more settled to let off a bit let someone through and perform the legendary switcheroo.
Alright, time to throw all my setups in the bin
So far, I think the aerodynamic change is that the rearwing has more effect. I’ve just turned it down a handful on the 930, the rear was so overplanted. And it’s still not half as scary as it used to be. Not sure yet if I like that aspect: white knuckled spasms are part of the charm of the 930 :)
As a controller user I hate it really struggling with the game
First track I drove with the new physics was Monza with a 918 and I was hating it because it was understeer city… but I eventually realized it was the brakes giving up due to fade at T1 plus the weight and sheer speed of that car that was making it seem overly difficult. After driving some more regular cars and a few GT cars with better aero, I’ve noticed that the physics are actually a little more nuanced and predictable - different but I’m definitely liking it. Snap oversteer is definitely back in a big way with some cars, but honestly that exists in the real world with certain overpowered / poorly set up cars so I’m fine with it. Overall good update - but I do wish they’d settle on a physics model and leave it alone
Loving the new physics. Had taken a break from GT7 but came back to try out the new physics and really enjoying it.
I think the opposite: the physics are less alive and the cars feel so much easier to drive. The physics seem less detailed and more watered down in my opinion. I found that road cars feel much heavier and lazier than before. Maybe it's to do with the fact I play on a regular controller.
I’ve found that the cars have a bit more understeer, and that jamming the throttle even on full TCS can cause the engine to lag… but it makes driving a lot less mindless and that’s not a bad thing.
9:59 A native speaker making an error, nice :D
I'd pay to watch you drive on the touges of Assetto Corsa
What's up Steve. When you do controller, I assume you're talking about the stick.
Would be cool to see your performance doing motion control
Haha! INCONVENIENT-TOE here 😂. Surprised to be labelled as the GOAT, but I'll take it. I managed to nip your time in the end. I'll admit it took me about an hour so please don't beat me too hard if you go back 😂. Liking the new physics 🤘
I'm not sure about anyone else. But for me. I mainly drive the Lamborghini huracan in groups 3 and 4. And they feel more planted in the back but also ruined the car for me because I used the snapping rear end for the rotation. Now I'm like a second off my old pace.
Fair point but remember that all of cars in gr.3 are slightly slower now.
Your pace difference is mostly down to the BOP change than the physics. But yes, the Huracan definitely doesn't rotate as much as it did before.
14:31 the Cumarrow
so they made cars less stable, braking while turning or even braking for a split second is impossible now since you cant turn, wheel lockdown and now all cars understeer....this is update was just made to make things more difficult, harsher wall penalties included and yet some people still get away with ramming you into a wall and keeping the pole they stole
i would say this update made all our problems worse for us casuals.
So you're saying they've turned it into a Jenson Button Smooth Driving Simulator. Excellent
Steve I think another thing to think about with the overall lap times lowering is also that well, its just new to everyone. Guys setting record lap times have hundreds of hours with those particular physics that they get used too.
True but the gap won't come down much more. These guys are quick to work out how to be fast.
As a controller player, the new physics are much much harder to deal with. You just don't have the trigger or joystick travel to balance things as easily on the limit. It's a bit disappointing as I really enjoyed the previous physics as they allowed me to push but would punish you if you did get it too wrong. That's disappointing as those of us who either don't play as regularly or can't afford a wheel are unduly punished by the new physics.
Controller players were pretty much f..ed with this update. I either get wheelspin or lose time getting on the throttle now.
So are the physics more or less realistic?
More realistic I would say.
Not sure if it’s just for me, but as a single player user, a lot of the PP settings for races seem messed up now. Feels better to drive though.
Ch tyres are much, much less grippy than before! Important for me as I use them to tune cars, they highlight weaknesses in a car's handling. But now they're so slidey I might have to switch to cm tyres for tuning.
11:10 sad the file corrupted so sad!!!!!! Indeed comrade!!!
0:21 Magnetic curbs, this snapping movement is not how cars handle on curbs irl or in sims. This feels very very strange.
I like the physics. The only thing they need to fix is the power to weight ratio when tuning cars or racing BOP in correlation with power to weight. It is completely unbalanced but PP system rewards cars that lack in power and cornering ability compare to cars that can. Example. Evo and Viper.
Now GT7 just needs more customization for the driving experience, such as customizing the cockpit view much more, same with hood view and bumper view, etc. Allow us to change the amount of camera movement in several increments, allow us to have 10x as much options for how far away or close the camera is, same with the height. Allow us to choose whether a virtual mirror is on or off in EVERY camera view, not just one.
I hope you'll make a video with the 120 Hz mode. I'm really curious
Have this Problem with my GT 3 Porsche. A little Touch on the breake, = Hit the wall
There hasn't been much VR content from you lately. Is VR less enjoyable to you? I'm guessing it's not comfortable having the headset on for many hours straight.
Since you’ve done racing IRL, how do you say this update compares to that?
They should really add customizable trigger deadzone and sensitivity.
I think the skill gap has been reduced on road cars and increased for race cars. Much easier to drive casually but harder to master the competitive side
Do you not have to tune/setup the cars to make them perform better (like a real car)? Toe, camber, caster, rebound, stiffness, ride height, diff etc? If the physics have changed then any setup you previously applied to your cars will be off by a mile.
Hmmm I don't know if I really like the "improved" physics.
Cars now feel like they have slow speed under steer, and high speed oversteer when you wanna nail the exit.
I just played my very first Daily Race... started 8th... and came in 6th... in true SuperGT fashion. :D
Am I the only one greatly disappointed with this update?. I feel like there are so many problems with the game that are more important than what they choose to address.
So basically it will now be even harder to drive faster with a controller...especially with the PS4 one, although I like that they are pushing the game to match reality, I do wish there would be a》 controller driven lap remark 《with every lap time on the world rankings and so separated view on rankings (wheel/pedals or controller)...
I found that my K20 Mini drives so much better! It used to rotate itself to oversteer too much and I hated using it. RWD cars are more predictable too. Enjoying the game again. ( Gamepad user)
Audi R8 doesn’t have the engine at the back, but in the middle.
I feel like the life span and grip of the tires have shifted to the next grade. For example, racing soft feel and last like racing medium and racing medium feels and acts like racing hard. I don't have the same confidence as I use to diving in to certain corners at speeds I was use to, so I have to adjust. Nothing more that I can do really, but it saddens me that I can't beat my best. On a positive note: The new Porsche 959 is a blast to drive once you get used to the physics!
P.S. this is from the viewpoint of a control user. One day I'll have the wheel and pedals.
I havent played Gran Turismo since GT4. And the more I watch your videos, the urge for buying a PS5 and GT5 increases.
Really good content in all your videos!
Tire wear on intermediates are brutal, but racing hard has improved dramatically
Yep, tires last longer and do not affect PP that much. Somehow better cornering ability at cost of loading traction while exiting the corner. Worse cornering at high speeds. But I like it.
Incremental solutions = evolution of success.
Are these your current settings on the DD1? If not, am I about to find your current settings somewhere, would greatly appreciate. Thanks!
Yesterday I did as many races as i did over the last moth.
the new physics are feeling great, I love GT 7, now.
Same, friday and Saturday i did 650km each. I rarely ever go over 500km.
One thing that I noticed after the update (while doing Daily C), the tire behavior is pretty noticeable- especially the left hander after the chicane, cars would dive into the corner but now they feel a bit understeery with the added weight 🥴