This tool changes everything
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- The Z2R - Drill powered pulley solved a lot of my problems. This video shows what it is good for, what happens if you go out of specs, and hopefully helps you understand if it is right for you. How NOT 2 is the exclusive distributor in the USA, offers a 1-year warranty (see product page), supplies repair parts, and offers full rebuild services. We want to keep you productive!
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00:00 Intro
00:49 - My connection with AWAH
01:59 - How to use the Z2R
06:43 - Demo
07:19 - How much force does it generate
11:43 - Testing mechanical advantage
14:13 - Brent's feedback
14:51 - Rope damage warning
15:48 - How far will 1 battery get you?
16:40 - Trying to damage ropes with unit
19:17 - Search and rescue uses
21:26 - Warranty and repairs
Dang those sold fast. You can pre-order as our next batch arrives soon at hownot2.store/products/z2
Reach out to Matt at Matt’s Off-Road Recovery. He is a large RUclipsr located in Utah. He is someone who does recoveries out in the wild. Canyons, mountains, rivers, basically anywhere a regular or specialized vehicle can venture. They have done jobs where they needed the bumper mounted winch. To help move people and items up a steep grade where vehicles left the road and tumbled down. So it could give them more capability when the bumper winch is already in service pulling a vehicle. He sells dynamic tow ropes and has switched to more or less running soft shackles to recover vehicles up to the size of huge motor coaches with trailers attached. He is currently running a huge event with about 10 or 12 other RUclips channels/ content creators as a 3 day event with vendors and plenty of content and cross promotion. I think he lives in a town called Hurricane Utah. Beautiful place.
He can certainly answer your question regarding an off-road application. Could be another untapped market for your business. I also think it would be interesting to see how you could benefit each other.
www.RUclips.com/@MattsOffRoadRecovery Email is listed. HTH
This is cool as fuck.. Once they get their economy to scale figured out and can sell these for ~$700 I think this company will take off as standard equipment in every rope access guy's kit. It reminds me of a YAE210 which I heard through the grapevine supports an electric drill the same way and can ascend and descend and has a wheel built onto it if your drill dies so you can use it manually.. They're only $400, and are made by a company that's been specializing in climbing/cargo gear for over 40 years. You might appreciate this, but they even do all their own in house testing and are willing to show how that testing is done/measured. Nal Hon is a super good enough type of company in my eyes from what I've been able to read =D lol, you might have talked me into buying one just to see how it stacks up next to the Z2R
@HowNOT2, hey how much smoke can come out before you can't put it back in anymore
From the site: "Who is this for? ... People with spending problems."
Damn, ya got me.
Hey, rope access technician in Australia. Where could I get these in my part of the world?
I am amazed at how much this felt like a typical HowNot2 episode! You talked about what the intended use is (and the not so intended use), showed what it can achieve in the intended use case (along with the damage that it can cause) and then finally took it to failure. Great Testng!
Very interesting, looks great! I’m reminded of a saying in the stunt world “ropes can hurt people, winches kill”. Not saying this device is worse than anything else out there, just a reminder to all that you need to be on top of your game when you don’t have visceral feedback back as you add more force. Be very interested to try using this winch to pull the brake strand of an ID or Meastro with them acting as progress capture.
This would be terrific on sailboats. For solo sailors to go up the mast and doing boat jobs alone. Also solo sailors lifting an outboard off a dinghy, and hauling the dinghy onto the fore deck. Right now I use a block and tackle because I can't both manage the dinghy and work the winch back in the cockpit. It would also be useful for winching up an anchor and chain if the capstan broke. (You'd have to keep repositioning the rope, but it would be easier than man hauling up 100' of 3/8" chain and a 70lb anchor.)
Exactly what I was thinking too. It's a game changer for that!
No doubt. Nonetheless, a grigri and an Amazon ascender with an aider would work very well (with a 2:1) and that comes in at what, $200? Price point on this thing if 1500
@@chrismeister2554Good point. I'm not a climber but I did learn enough to go up my mast, and this is the method I can use. I should probably stop watching so many videos and practice my technique. So far the best two ways up a mast is someone with some experience on a power winch, or a double block and tackle with 4:1 advantage. You do need large diameter rope so you can comfortably hold it in your hands. This rig costs about $1000. Riggers use it.
I am not a climber. I do not work with ropes. I am though impressed with your rational approach to testing, talking about and using your tools.
Who needs to actually rock climb when you can just scare myself vicariously
lol you're missing out, climbing is definitely not about being scared but the physical and mental challenge
I can't wait to get one. I am gonna put $100 in a jar every time I wish I had one at work, And I should have enough saved in a couple of weeks.
This is a great idea for saving up for something
Being supplied a backup while the equipment is being repaired is incredible. This is my main pain point when stuff breaks, if I don't have two of them then I'm basically fucked. Nice job!
Climbing the mast on a sailboat!!!
I've only done that once, and this would have made that easier.
It’s more fun to use a redirect and the winches! Make sure you get someone who has no clue about climbing or descending running the winches!! Don’t ask!! I had an ATC with me I was OK.
I've climbed my 60 foot mast on my boat many times using a Petzl zigzag and chicane plus a foot and knee ascender. Works ok, but at 65 years old, it's a lot of work, even for a former rock climber. While the Z2R is expensive, if I was a rigger, I'd buy one yesterday.
@@jonmoceri I used the frog method. Way easier. Just an FYI.
@@pentachronic Can you send me a RUclips link on the frog method. Thanks!
Looks like this would be awesome for search and rescue use. With a 2 to 1 and proper rigging you can probably lift someone on a stretcher out of a canyon.
NFPA rope rescue says hauls have to be human power.
@@wsundeen1And what does NFPA says when there is no space on ledge for additional personal to pull nor the space to extend a pulley system?
NFPA can stay in the hole. MY crew will be home for dinner.
@@wsundeen1 ah yes, NFPA, the acronym for work harder, not smarter.
@@PP-uv1kw And your casualty will be in hospital in time. Setting up a pulley system, arranging the ropes between the pulley blocks and than pulling and extending a 3:1 or whatever several times sounds like a waste of time with a casualty waiting for rescue and immediate medical treatment.
This has some serious potential for telecommunications.
Damn you! I was sure I don't need another device!
You don't.... after you get this one ;)
Great in-depth video. Seriously need one specced up to at least 11.7 or 11.8 mm static arborist rope. Based on the video I'm guessing that I can make something like Teufelberger Tachyon work fine, but I would love to see it for a bit fatter rope. Maybe two versions? I'm guessing this could be very interesting for fire and rescue as well. No matter the rope diameter I'll probably get one as soon as it's CE certified.
Yep, was thinking the same thing 👍🏼
You do so much good for the community. Thank you.
One of the high torque right angle drills might be better? Like the Milwaukee Holehawg or the makita 40v thing. We use them in the arb industry for powering the boat winch lifting apparatus like the GRCS.
Allways a good day when Ryan posts
Very interesting, looks great! I’m reminded of a saying in the stunt world “ropes can hurt people, winches kill”. Not saying this device is worse than anything else out there, just a reminder to all that you need to be on top of your game when you don’t have visceral feedback back as you add more force. Be very interested to try using this winch to pull the brake strand of an ID or Meastro with them acting as progress capture.
Hauling on bigwalls just got a lot more battery dependent.
That would be awesome offroading, I have a rope puller come-along I could do a lot with but it would not be fast!
Would like to see a test with a wet rope and a muddy rope. You live in the NW, rain and dirt are pretty common out at Index.
Very happy to see you test it. I think I will add it to my tool set!
Love your enthusiasm and willingness to improve things for everyone here. I’d get one but broke college student moments lol
What a great little unit. I can dream up all kinds of uses for it. Thanks for the review Ryan.
good job. I think it will be useful around sailboats. Also, at the risk of being a back seat engineer (and someone who has had to deal with winch overruns) I think there is an opportunity to improve your anti-overrun device on a future model. Once again keep up the great work.
I'm curious what different applications this will become popular for. Could be good for sailboats. They are working on a Z3 model that is pretty neat, but it's different and the Z2R is around to stay. In using it in my real-world applications, I have NOT found it slipping on my rope before trying to break something in my lab with it.
@@HowNOT2 I'm not getting any younger. Going up the mast, lifting my dingy off the foredeck and dropping it in the water. Lifting various tings on and off the boat when in boat yard. Undoing wings overruns. Many rigging tasks. Not worried about it slipping, when used as directed.
Use as an arborist to ascend, set your TIP, and lower it, and the drill, down on the tail end of your climbing rope to the ground crew? Sure wouldn't want that, along with a drill, hanging from a harness while working a tree. I could see this being used to access tall Doug fir to reduce fatigue of the climber.
That would be cool if you sold a hand crank that could work with it, too. For instance, if you are using it to hoist stuff or off-road use, as a backup or to get more force then a drill could provide.
I suppose a hand crank could work but it would be quite slow, and only applicable to if a drill died. You don't want more force than a drill can get since it's rated for 440lbs and we were getting 1000 with the drill. At some point the gears don't like it.
@@HowNOT2suppose that’s where a 1/4 inch ratchet and an 8mm hex bit socket becomes the hand crank right?
Could use one of those old timey breast drills where it positions against your chest, or a speed brace. Probably end up with arms like Popeye! Another win!💪💪💪
Oh, that makes sense with the gearing. Thanks for the response!
Always great to finish work and see a new upload, looks like a very interesting device!
Great video, been following your emails on this, and I really want one. Eventually going to buy one.
Once my buddy Dano says he's in love with his, I will be ordering mine
What an amazing bit of equipment ! Well done to everyone who has designed it . I would love to use one .
Just pulled this up again and thought to myself "Is this certified in any way?" (TL;DR No but that's not why I'm making this comment)
Looked at description for product link, and it's right where I looked.
Went to website then did CTRL + F (find in page) and typed "cert" and immediately came to the info I was looking for.
Clearly stated info about how it is NOT certified and must be used with a certified PPE backup.
You make it so easy for us, thank you. Have a nice day
P.S. Whoever made the diagrams did a pretty good job, they look nice.
Well done as always, Ryan!
I could see these being hugely convenient for arborists accessing very tall trees.
Power ascenders are aid.
Very much so
Try using a right angle drill (e.g. the makita dda450) it’s a lot easier on the wrists and the face (I use them on boat winches)
AWAH showed me videos where they used right angle drills in some of their testing. It looks like a good choice.
Use the newest gen milwaukee drill with "auto stop" it senses when the drill binds and starts to flip your wrist . Works very well and will save you a broken wrist or battery to the face.
I have no use for it but a lot of respect for your work! Absolutely amazing!
Construction, Roadside assistance, rescue, Off-roading, bundling materials, pickup drones, zip-lining, ascending or rappelling, heavy fabrics line drying
Not even a climber and i gotta say I randomly saw one video and have now been glued to this channel great content and great job!
i love mine! seriously a market for it in the arborist community
with how much power and torque modern brushless drills have I've wondered why something like this doesn't exist. like why bother with a bespoke motor and battery when most people that would use these already own a drill? super cool to see that concept well executed
I can do about three 150 foot ascends on an eight amp hour Milwaukee battery with their top-of-the-line drill, carrying about one KN after you add tools and myself
How quick is the climb?
Love the custom intro for this vid!
For SAR, I can see how it would be great for caving, but outside of that, I probably wouldn't use it for a two person load on a litter. I can see this being used for electric linemen working on tall structures. Especially for the price.
How's it handle sawdust and wood chips? The I'D purportedly doesn't like that at all, which limits its use on the tree jobs. Would be interested to see this in that context.
Very neat tool for Rope Access.
Interesting . . . put in lots of hard work to create a great channel and amazing financial opportunities arise out of left field. Well deserved congratulations.
This (and things like it) combined with man portable rigging frames would be a really cool product catalog. I've seen cranes with over 500T of ballast used to lift things in the 1T range because that was the smallest that had the reach. If you could dolly some stuff into an elevator and man-pack it onto a 12th story roof to put together a little jib crane that could be a *lot* more cost effective. Add in some modular skid rails and you're ready to get a lot of work done. Realistically, I suspect that most things up to at least 10T could be moved (as long as whatever you are moving it *over* is strong enough) with equipment that breaks down into 1-man portable components.
This thing is genius! I feel like there are so many applications for this device even outside of climbing. Just like you mentioned it would work as a lightweight off road recovery device.
Looks excellent for a lot of uses I don’t have yet. I can totally foresee a situation where this’d be handy in my industry, but I’ve only encountered that the once. It’ll be interesting to see where these keep going in the short and long term, either when AWAH keeps developing or when big manufacturers think about this sector. It’d be really interesting to see one with some more releasability/lowering control, like a maestro you can hook a drill to.
Great stuff going on here
I did mountain rescue/search and rescue for a wee bit. This has huge potential in rescue and industrial work. It can be a nightmare just finding anchor points let alone an area for a haul team let alone having enough people to haul.
In rescue work a typical minimum load is a rescuer and a patient so any mechanical advantage is a blessing.
What shh to ibis is regulation for both good and bad that makes change a major pain in the buttocks.
Best of luck.
The Skylotec ascender is an amazing tool. I use it almost daily at work. Due to ex rating. 24meter per minute is a lovely pace. They also make a "swat" unit, that does twice the speed.
Glad you addressed the spare parts supply, the sound it makes when the lever is pulled is a bit worrying. Nice tool overall.
Dude, I was totally gonna say Car and that is absolutely funny because you can continuously apply that force with the fixed object being very heavy a tree or a car to a tree. Wow, you changed the game my guy.!! 😮
I’ve been experimenting with this at work for a few weeks and finding ways to incorporate it. Arborists have been using the gas powered Wraptor for years, however the wraptor is strictly a means of access due to its bulk and limited function. You use it to get into the tree, set a TIP, then lower the Wraptor back out. I’ve been playing around with leaving the Z2R installed on an access line, then rigging a TIP into the access line itself above the Z2R with a Rescucender, working an area for a bit off MRS, then going back the the Z2R to advance my TIP. An arborist isn’t likely to work directly off the device, for the same reasons they wouldn’t use a Clutch or an ID. Arb multicenders need to be lightning fast, light and operable with one hand. I did however work directly off the device installing some tree support cabling. That type of work for me often involves very literal lateral movement, but repetitive up and down with tools and heavy items. The Z2R was excellent for that (especially since the drill I’m using for the device is also used for the work itself).
as for offroad 100% as side by sides and 4wheelers could use them as well. and it doesnt hurt to have as a back up if the winch is dead.
I work in trees, and I’ve used a 10:1 Maasdam rope puller with a 6 coil prusik & port-a-wrap to lift/free stuck stuff….mid line attachable may not work on a rope already under tension, but is so darn nice, and drills are often on our truck for installing structural cables……3:1 is often used for pulling spars over, but usually with 1/2”+ rigging ropes. hmmm interesting…
As an offroader that also has a winch, I'm pretty torn about using this to pull myself out the mud with it, it's cost is close to even a cheap winch, and to use it on a vehicle you WILL need multiple pulleys, a long enough rope along with a rope strong enough.
It might be worth having as a backup tool, or even something to assist after a roll over or something but pulling a 2 tonne or above stuck vehicle on most ropes that can go through this makes me think it will just snap the rope, and snapping ropes near fleshy humans isn't what I'd call a good day.
If you have one and need to pull your vehicle out in an emergency sire at your own risk (DO NOT USE YOUR TOWBALL!!!). Just my 2 cents as an ex mechanic, an offroader and someone that has sadly seen what happens when recoveries go wrong.
I normally run my slacklines very loose, I am tempted to use this to tension slacklines, (not highlines)
This is awesome!!!
Hey, I’ve got that exact same 2nd failed non-brushless drill!
I might just get one of these to lift things in my shop
I am very impressed, and (if I had one) would be greatly tempted to attach a fluid damper (which would inevitably lead to disaster when it is 'borrowed' by someone who doesn't know... and avoided asking.)
(5/16") is one of those crank sizes I kept finding for a reasonable price when my flashlight/dynamo needed a replacement (11/32") _hex w/ flange_ handle ... I used a ratchet until that broke too _(edit: for lack of a flange)._
You need to market this to industrial fishermen, the amount of hassle this could have saved me omg, I love the sound of it no longer fishingbtho😊
I am a arborist and I am seriously considering buying this product
I think this would be very useful for long essence
The White of the product is not really an issue. You could always lower it back down to the ground once you’ve gotten to your Highpoint.
And that would be that other people on the team could also use it 🎉
Have never climbed a rock or mountain but this makes me want to
I definitely think this has applications in off-roading where you're not going seriously enough to make regular use of a winch, but just for getting unstuck. If you've already got a drill in your maintenance kit on you, tossing this in the back as well gives you more options.
I also think this might have some applications in caving; many serious cave explorations are highly weight/volume constrained and can take hours/days to get to a given location, and this unit with a drill and a few batteries could save hours on ascending portions of a route for a possibly-worthwhile amount of weight.
Really nice!
Need to collab with TorqueTestChannel with this
Looks like an excellent product, simple and functional.
Are they working on a load limit section, lots of winches just use a shear pin.
Definitely see it having applications in the Arb world.
Off road no, simply not enough pull.
Reminds me if my Massdam rope puller, really really useful little winch.
This thing looks awesome.
When you disengage the teeth while under load it looks like it's a bit rough though. I wonder if there's a safe way that you can set up the lower and use the drill to take the weight while you release the teeth.
I am a climber and an hvac tech. I have been waiting for this video. I have really wanted something like this for work to lift crap and units onto the roof. Does anyone have info on a portable arm or anchor point for which one could attach to the side of a roof and be able to use this device???
I thought your backup for if the drill dies at 7:00 was going to be a hand tool.
damn I want one for myself for climbing and adventure motorcycle touring and as a gift for my off road jeeping dad. looks like I got a new thing on my ever expanding gear wish list. sigh it never ends
Nice video. Would be great if you would also display metric measurements
If I was going to use the Z2R more then once every 1-2 months and could justify the expence, I would already be heading to your site to buy one 😢 That device is so small compared to the other devices on the market and the fact that you can remove the powered component and hang it on your harness removes a huge amount of the bulk that you'd be dealling with if you were using a different device. I know I'd much prefer trying to climb around a branch with only the Z2R in the way, compared to the guy demonstrating Husqvarna's device. Nicely done, Ryan!!! 😊👍👍👍👍
I'd love to have one to sag wire in the mountains where we can't get a truck and have to pull it up by hand. It would save a lot of jacking with a come along. I also am going to purchase one for our volunteer Fire department for the rope rescue team and donate it.
Would be nice having a hex on the part you insert the 8mm driver. So you could use a long handled ratchet. Sure you could use a pipe wrench but how would that lat for..
Your IR thermometer will read way low when reading anything shiny like the drive pulley. Paint it flat black, it dries very fast. Then it will read correctly.
yooooo im thinking about this for our solar company use this to pull the panels up the ladder
Can we talk about how cool a drill is for a motor?
Backup batteries are so useful, so having 2-3 batteries you’re able to throw into a bag is amazing. Especially if you’re using this to help haul cargo. So for 1000 bucks you can get this, a new rope, a drill and a few batteries. So a whole system for the price of some of these other devices alone.
Portability means a lot, but having easily backup is even better. What an amazing device
That needs to be on a shirt. “Safety’s not first…but it’s on the list.”
Time to set the speed record on El Cap by ascending fixed lines!
400 feet for 1 battery = about 8-10 batteries in a small haul bag should do the trick! Next time those caver groups set up the 3000 foot rappel, I'll ascend it with this.
@19:45 Interesting configuration. Not redundant, but also no carabiners. I've never seen an anchor set up like that. Not sure if I'm okay with it. Thoughts?
I want info on the drill tether they show in the video!
Wow indeed
Hi, I purchased a Z2R and I can't wait to put it into service. I found a discrepancy with the stated Max Load. In the specs from the product link above, it says the max load is 440 lbs., but the product label says 330 lbs. Any insights/feedback from your testing? Thanks for all the content.
Hello im new to your channel, awsome video! So I work on tall cement powder silos for a living, all have steel cage ladders that suck to climb. I have been wondering if something like this existed and bam there it is. My question is this something that can be used in the occupational setting with OSHA requirements? Second, is there a place to go train for working with ropes and climbing gear? Thanks for the cool tool, hope I can get one.✌️
Routesetters are the gym will love this.
Test the rope runner pro
Big fan of the Chinese HVAC climbers group. I would not describe the rig that any of the guys who worked on mine as anywhere near good enough. Most just used a ratty old rope tied to my very much not super good enough balcony railing.
A version for 5-6mm to tagline and a handle to manually turn it please.
i want one so bad
I have a feeling using the drill clutch will damage the gears ⚙️. Similar to an impact. Releasing and then banging back on .. seems like you're better off just feathering the drill mode and controlling speed that way.
I enjoyed watching a long video about a weird pulley
bruhh i want one, work in event rigging and once u get all the certifications (based in germany) maybe i can convince my company to buy some, these are sick.
Bro I'm never hauling on a big wall again. Just tag up the drill and this thing 😂
Are the gears under load when you release it to descend?
How does it hold up to cold weather/high altitude climbs? or in wet conditions such as in cave climbing trying to get away from a sudden water ingress?
I want one!
The problem with these is that you're going to go through a lot of drills if you use it frequently. Cordless drill motors are not designed for continuous torque loading. They'll burn out quickly.