Ukraine desperately needs new soldiers | The Take
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Stories are spreading from the front lines about lack of basic training for Ukrainian troops sent into battle. This is just one of the challenges Ukraine faces as it tries to address a critical shortage of soldiers amid a Russian offensive.
In this episode:
- Mansur Mirovalev, freelance journalist covering Ukraine for Al Jazeera
Episode credits:
This episode was produced by Tamara Khandaker, with Marcos Bartolomé, Sarí el-Khalili, and our host, Malika Bilal.
The Take production team is Amy Walters, Ashish Malhotra, Catherine Nouhan, Chloe K. Li, David Enders, Duha Mosaad, Khaled Soltan, Manahil Naveed, Marcos Bartolomé, Sarí el-Khalili, Sonia Bhagat, and Tamara Khandaker.
Our sound designer is Alex Roldan. Our lead of audience development and engagement is Aya Elmileik and Adam Abou-Gad is our engagement producer.
Alexandra Locke is The Take’s executive producer. Ney Alvarez is Al Jazeera's head of audio.
Watching 50-year-old and 60-year-old draftees donning uniforms and sent to the front must remind you of the last days of the 3rd Reich.
Very sad indeed.
They're lucky if they get two weeks of training before they're sent out to be slaughtered. Very sad, average soldier gets around five months of training. Two weeks you don't even know enough to break down your rifle, clean it and put it back together. Very sad😢
They were suppose to have a million man army during the big counter-offensive last year. And they said a while ago that only 31k KIA. So not sure why they're running out of men.
@@tomtube1012 They did say that, but that's the least of you're concerns as we also live in a world where:
People think Russia blew up their own pipeline.
A man can be a woman.
If you don't believe it's ethical to force people take an experimental medicine then you're a fascists.
If you question "science" then you're racist.
If you don't believe Putin attacked the Ukraine for no reason whatsoever other than he's a madman, then you're a conspiracy theorist.
That we are the good guys who live in democracy and that the people control the governments not the corporations.
Basically take everything that you're told by the news and the state and apply the the opposite to find the truth.
Sure does. So does all the game changing "wonder weapons" that fail over and over to change a thing and these doomed failed last ditch offensives.
"thousand of Ukraine that do not want to fight".... That say it all. But the USA wants them to fight for America's interest.
Millions of Russians left Russia
@@marcmonnerat4850 1 million left and dont forget Russia has population 153 millions xD Ukraine had 30 millions wich 12 left xD
@@marcmonnerat4850 Yes, but thousands of now Russians, then Ukrainian, from eastern Ukraine are fighting agains their former regime in Kiev.
Us government is not the American people.
no. splinter groups being sheltered by the ukraine government was the issue. now the lines needed to be redrawn.
Only a fool who still believes Ukraine will ever get Crimea back😂😂😂😂😂
Ok comrade.
@@salraviolithat “Comrade” and “Ivan” joke is old bro lol. You can’t refute what he’s saying, so you try to discredit him. But that won’t change the fact that Ukraine is losing. Don’t need to be a Russian bot, to see that
Biden, Marcon, Rishi Sunak can go there in the front as a man to fight against Russia 🤣🤣🤣🤣
But they never said they would go. The US specifically said they were willing to fight to the last Ukrainian.
*micron
Don't forget Boris.
💯
Biden wouldn't find the frontline without help though.
50-60 y/o grandad are at the frontline now, this is beyond Evil...
What about gender equality. Why girls are having fun in Nato countries?
But they lost only 31,000 right??? Is that not what Nazilensky said?
30,000 or 300,000. It's just numbers to them. Are 30,000 Gazans dead or 300,000? We don't know. The media is not to be trusted. We are fed propaganda.
they do just lost 31.000
they now need more man to victory parade and party all night long
Yes. But It's More Like 600,000 Ukrainian Men And Women That Died.
31000 in 1 month
But they're winning 😂 (sarcasm)
"Ukranians lost 30k soldiers, and now they need 500k replacements."
According to a US colonel who has serious knowledge about Ukraine losses it’s about 300k killed and another 250k severely wounded
@@Serbinator_DominatorMore like 600k dead and at least a million injured. 7-10 vs 1 kill ratio.
Why do they even need training when they're supposedly fighting orcs armed with shovels and muskets?
@@Jillian-c5u mabe Sunak can send over a witchdoctor to cast some spells for elensky 🧙♀️
@@Serbinator_Dominatorwhat is your source for this?
Zelensky the fool, the jocker , UKRAINE 🇺🇦 should think 1000 times before messing with Russia , don't listen to America
Don't listen to the organized crime ring known as American government. All patriots despise them.
Amazing how many people still do not understand or even know that Neo Cons are mentally ill people and history will see them as off the chart radicals pushing extremist and violent geopolitical agendas, and that the majority of media, finance, and western governments are funded or beholden to them via lobbying and control of industries.
Ukraine wants its independence. It knows the price of failure. Look at what Russia dud to Ukraine in the 1930s. If Ukraine loses, which country does Russia gobble up next?
Good lesson for Taiwan
@@amilaperera1 not just for Taiwan but everyone....
Maybe if they hadn’t squandered half their army on a counter offensive they were dumb enough to spend months advertising their plans on.
You can’t train soldiers in just a few months, worse, you can’t build brigades from conscripts... soldiers need extensive training just to do their job. A platoon of soldiers need extensive training just to operate as a platoon. Companies of platoons need extensive training as a company to be able to operate as a company. Then those companies need extensive training in battalion formations to learn how to operate as a battalion... likewise for a battalion to be able to operate within a brigade...
You can’t build an army on the fly and expect it to be able to operate effectively.
Well... if Ukraine had honoured the Minsk agreements and didn’t spend eight years shelling civilians none of this would be a problem... simple.
Yeah. Negotiate at the high ping in Fall 2022. It only went downhill from there with the counter-offensive being an outrageous lowpoint.
Time never was on their side so they had to try with what they had ready in 2023. Need to please the donor countries, otherwise no more support.
Dance for us little Sele we want to see some entertainment in the sick games we play
PR and it generated them lots of money but at a cost, tens of thousands of soldiers and the equipment. But, people can go on believing it cost Russia more but the reality on the ground says otherwise and the stories, like on here, the forward Ukrainians having shells rain down on them and rain down they do... if you were to believe our media and their warmongering talking heads, apparently the Ukrainians are made of steel and those shells are killing no one.
Nobody was prepared for shovel warfare.
The West has traditionally used bayonets. Some Russians have traditionally used shovels/spades suitable for weapons. The Russians did this fighting with the Allies in WW2. Ukraine was on the other side. The UK had Ukrainian POW's in Scotland. They danced with locals.
If it's true that Ukraine has lost only 30k soldiers, where is this shortage coming from?
A poignant yet simple question that no one in any type of authority seems capable to answer
They underestimated their losses by a mere 570,000+ men; not by much 🤔
Ukraine's true death total is currently estimated at 500,000. See projection over at wartears, a Ukrainian source. This is in line with many other independent estimates, which had Ukrainian dead already at 300,000-350,000 in October last year, when their counter-offensive petered out.
But everyone told me they were winning
The Americans,s dream
Everyone lying to you.
@@18181825 They would do that?...
That's right...
Zelensky is playing Call of Duty with Medvedev every day...😂😂😂
Have USA ever won a war in their short history?
At this point, there is a bigger Ukrainian military in Russia from all the Ukrainian civilians who decided to escape there.
Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity.
In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of people were burned alive). Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.
If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.
Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.
Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time.
Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security.
Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns.
20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO.
NATO is not a defensive alliance. NATO illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).
We should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?
Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.
Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland.
Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed.
Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens-theirs will hide in the basements”.
Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre. The whole world needs to know about it.
Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country.
Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. 13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list.
Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Maté (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list.
There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence).
The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.
Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave.
Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) RIP.
The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).
The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter.
I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment. I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion.
I have provided a brief summary of events that took place. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.
Hopefully someone will write an UNBIASED book, stating facts and allowing the readers to form their own judgments. Everything I said can be fact checked and verified.
Read whole comment. Thanks for taking time. Watching everything happening in Ukraine. From Sri Lanka
Very good comment, I hope a lot of people read it.
The neocons chose a comedian/actor to lead US interests sorry Ukraine .... What people expect?!
Zelensky may not be the best president, but he is trying his best to save Ukraine from Russian occupation.
@@jesuswept1334 i reply with a copy of my post. fact check it.
If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.
Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.
Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time.
Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security.
Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns.
Tired of Zelenski guy
He only needs 500 billion more sheeple !!
Western politicians
So what happened to the soldiers trained by NATO members?
They became ghosts of Kiev
Compost.
They cant send conscripts to train in Europe. They might escape
Paté
@@ThePoehladian 😄
The new recruits are literally 80 year olds 😂
😂😂😂😂
"how do you force people to die" is an absolutely terrible conclusion. How bout "how do we end this war"?
Simple, Russia returns to the 1991 border.
Yeah that ain’t gonna happen. More meat from Zelenskyy
@@marcmonnerat4850more likely Russia will return to the 1921 border.
@@marcmonnerat4850 when you realise that was the case before 2022 and during 2022, what then? yeah, people from various countries including the Ukrainian team have already said as much. But, what is evident, the plan was to fight Russia all a long if they chose not do anything about NATO/US encroachment in Ukraine and its eventual NATO membership with its military in 2015/16 being trained to NATO standards - did you know that?
Fortunately a lot of young Ukrainian men have found refuge in my country south of Europe to run away from the horrors of war and persue a life of peace and prosperity
And no one can blame them for that
Only cowards run! They should have stood up for their country and taken back ukraine from their corrupt democratic leaders!
I don't want to talk about Ukraine again... Kyiv regime is crazy
Hope Russia disaammble the fail project called ukraine.
Russia created ukraine in its infancy.
So they should have the best right to dissamble it. Because ukraine was not able to have a backbone, and let itself become a tool for usa.
Allegedly its called Kiev, like the chicken. 😂
Kiev mayor is a world boxing champion. He should apply fighting techniques in wartime; otherwise, he is a chicken champion.
Insane ukraine needs a brain.
🎵Insane in the Ukraine
🎵Insane in the brain,
🎵Insane in the Ukraine,
Zel gone insane, got no brain 🧠🎶
Adiktus and presidente
Serves them right.
The Ukrainian government was very dismissive and rude when volunteers from all over the world wanted to join their ranks. Most of them (including myself) wasted their time and money to travel to Ukraine only to be rejected or passed on from unit to unit like a prostitute. The whole experience dealing with the Ukrainian embassy and government has left me with a very bad impression of them.
I hate to ask but could you elaborate a little more? Only because it’s so seldom talked about anymore in terms of foreign volunteers
Serves them right? That's a crazy statement.
If you want to be a western mercenary just sign up for the French Foreign Legion or the US military.
@@zachhoward9099Believe me. I have never heard any good story from volunteers in Ukrainians. Even vets from iraq or Afghanistan couldn't last a week in the frontline. War in Ukraine is just on a different level.
Silly you going to fight in the most corrupt country in Europe
But we were told by Elensky that there was only 40k casualties on the ukr side and 500k on the Russian side. Logic doesn’t logic
Saw some recent videos of Odessa, used to be full of activity, now empty, no young man would go outside because they would be captured and sent to the front.
So what happened to their previous military ?
*Taking rest in under ground, Cz of comedian.* 😢
Composted.
The one from Feb. 22 ? The one from Fall 22 ? The 2023 counter-offensive army ? Probably enjoying their approx. 70%+ casualty rate
Increasing pressure on men to sign up? lol, they just chuck people in the back of a van.
People with the blue-yellow flags on their profile pics need to step up...
For a normal military training It takes up to least 6 months of training not 90 or 60 days These men are walking into slaughter
I'm not on either side, but I think both Russia and Ukraine need to think over if all of this is worth it. Remember that both Donbass and Crimea haven't been under Ukrainian control since 2014, so what are the effective gains and losses of this horrific war?
If russia win then there no another way west to stop brics , are you hear about brics ??? New hegemony wich will rule the world , brics will be immune to west sanction becouse dont depend from world bank and west payment system, west is collapsing , look in africa , russia is spreading insane fast and build bases and influence togheter with chinese , 50 plus countires will join , brics how hold 35% world economy and half population of world and 50 procents of world resourse. You dont understand politic and russia have very good reason to win trust me, west hegemony who last 500 years finaly will collaps.
Russia won't stop until Ukraine and its allies beg for peace. Then Russia will retreat to its annexed regions like Georgia. Its how Russians play
They should have stuck to conditions of peace they've signed couple of times.
Can’t have peace when russia keeps attacking
🇺🇦 just need to insist on the end of Biden‘s U.S. election.
Ukraine was finished months ago.
If Ukraine is finished why is russia still trying to take territory in Ukraine?
@@Aaron-rw3lv Does Ukraine have enough forces to cover all its fronts ..... no. If you had been paying attention you would know what the Russian objectives were, and would not be asking me to school you. They will grind the Ukr Army down to nothing. They will also take at least another 3 Oblasts when this comes to its conclusion.
@@Ridethebomb777 let me school you since you haven’t been paying attention. September 30, 2022 russia annexed 4 oblasts of which all they have lost control over. What is this walk back if they are going to get 3 oblasts? Which oblast has russia surrendered? It’s clear in the end russia will get nothing.
@@Aaron-rw3lv Im surprised ..... there are still Ukraine cheerleaders out there ....... even when the U.S knows that Ukr is a lost cause .... there are still a few circle jerkers out there. Pay attention ..... read some news columns and put down the comics .... you my learn something. Any ground that Russia may have conceded it has more than made up for it. You may not know this but they have opened up a new front and are coming down from the North.
They couldnt even turn it around with NATO troops on the ground !
@@Aaron-rw3lvZerolensky best get negotiating a peace treaty before they run outta men & Oblasts. Allegedly it could renamed Costa del Ucryini of no coastline 😂
Ukraine started with more troops on the battlefield than Russia in 2022. What happened?
nothing rly. Ukrainians are bravely advancing back while the Russians cowardly retreat behind them.
Ukraine will prevail. It's economy is booming , they have increased exports of electricity, to other countries, they are out producing Russia in terms of military productions, their population is increasing, they are producing all their equipments and missiles locally. their last year summer counteroffensive was a huge success, Ethnic Ukrainians from all around the world even those who had been abroad for generations are queuing to return to Ukraine. Corruption is inexistent. They have air superiority. And they are fighting alone without any foreign aids.
I see what you did there...
Good turnabout.
😄😂🤣
Lmao this has to be a joke? Ukraines economy was always 💩
Which Ukraine are you talking about ?
Do we have two Ukraine in the world?
How can this be?? MSM is saying Russia is loosing on the battlefield 😂😂😂😂😂
This wont be shown on western media...
It's simple Russia handed them a reality check
Ukraine desperately needs new leadership. It needs leaders that can negotiate a peace agreement with Russia.
Ukraine has not declared war against Russia in order to "negotiate". It simply kills those Russians who attack Ukraine.
@@NazarSerdyuk
Ukraine bombs civilians inside of Russia.
What happened to the 500,000 Ukrainian troops mobilized for the counteroffensive? Have they been deployed to their deaths or have they been demobilized? 😂😂😂
How can you train against drones and FAB 1500😢
American taxpayers should be send to frontlines.😂😂😂
It doesn't make sense, Ukraine had an army of around 600,000 men, then they mobilized another 200,000, and Zelensky said Ikr had lost only 32000 soldiers, that means Ukr has over 700,000 army which is more than Russia's army in Ukr, so why do they face shortage?
Ukraina potrzebuje armatniego mięsa ???🥩
Is Ukraine still winning? 🤣
When zelensky only lost 30k how come? Dnt zelensky claim he had one million strong army
This is a danger of been NATO's puppy
American veteran here. Full support to DPR and LPR.
bot !!! rank ®iment? what's you're SO ?.... I didn't think so !!
Like anyone believes that Ivan
Still using the same "label them Russian" playbook huh guys? Step ur game up.
Sure thing NPC. 🙄
🖤💙❤✊ DPR LPR URAA
They could send their ballet company back home and out of New Zealand where they're currently touring.
They're not welcome here.
"Soon the Russians will run out of artillery shells..." Doesn't anyone read history books anymore?
What's your point?
@@UmuPadoru that if your whole strategy depends on the enemy getting out of ammo its a dumb idea, only works at small scale(cities/villages/buildings) and if the enemy is surrounded and their reforcements cant get through
How many have died so far?
What happened to the other three armies?
Very balances, very neutral, a good pièce of journalism
Even if they had hit the Russians troops across the border what will they achieve ?
Yup, you can’t suffer a protracted war and expect any kind of rotation out…. That’s becoming a reality and a huge problem.
I think that means you lost
So where are these millions of shells going to come from ? Isnt it obvious that these supply packages are decreasing in quality and quantity, because NATO simply doesnt have the capabilities anymore ?
The reporter recognizes the absolutely terrible situation regarding the recruiting and why the Ukrainian men arent volunteerly fighting anymore.
Combine both informations and the conclusion is quite clear. This isnt winnable, there isnt even a slim chance for minor pushbacks for more than a day. So if Ukraine continues the only thing accomplished will be a new KIA record overall each day. Great stuff
Whats next 15 yr olds? Man this is like the final days of the Riech.
Just to put an advertisement in western newspapers and you will have a flood of people who will fight for you
Yeah, I am curiously waiting for that.
i bet 95% would back off, making excuses like i dont any training, im not in shape and im dont have the money be the most common
ukraine wants, ukraine wants etc etc etc . . . how about Peace
Ukraine should have not have listened to the US. They were warned by Russia for over a decade there would be consequences if they continued to pursue NATO membership. While i dont condone Russias invasion, the writing was on the wall and it was ignored. NATO cannot win against Russia let alone Ukraine on its own. RIP Ukraine
Russia is fighting with shovel so need to worry.
How do you sign up?
They’ve sent a comedian to do a leaders job!!
This is the result.😂😂😂😂
And if they had some of the infrastructure like mine fields and trenches in the right places like Russia had last year they may have an even chance.
Ukraine must be regretting electing Zellensky as president who brought the country to a war that flattens the country.
So many lives lost and so many injured. The people of these countries will not recover for many decades.
Lebih cepat Ukraina menyerah akan lebih baik untuk rakyat Ukraina & dunia.
Today Mansor is on the take.
Are they crazy they should have a military draft
Blame Zelenskys he doesn't need to go to the front line so he won't go to the negotiating table i bet if he was drafted he would change his mind.
Now he is drafting criminals that he was criticising wagner for doing .
Some Ukrainian needs to show him a widow 10 floors up
I'm interested
Tired of life? Zelensky then wants you. Please register.
This is such a tragedy. It’s not even describable.
Everybody should be fighting for their promise land.
E no go better for all of una.....wetin una dey gain from this war sef? Mtcheew oloshi ni gbogbo yin. Ko de ni da fun iyalaiya gbogbo yin papo
Abi...😂😂😂
Na ur own be dat one .
Which one concern u ?
Mind ur yeye business. Mumu.
the 60years old...WTF
have mercy on them...
may Russian dont shoot them if they surrendering
two wolves one steak
They look like little kids flying drones , looking at a screen with a game controller 😂😂😂
the ukrainian military cant even articulate a real plan. would you want to be out there on the front line while they figure one out?
In a demacratic state , how do you force them to go to the front , how do you force them to die.... wow !!great ending.
You dont force them. You listen to them and put a stop to this war. Ukraine needs a referendum on this war
You mean meat puppets ?
Reality, I love these
Ukraine democratic government? If Ukraine has had a democratic government (The last one elected in 2010) this war never would has happens, Crimea still be part of Ukraine. Maidan and overthrowing Yanukovich was a big mistake. In Chile in 1973 the USA got away with that, but near the Russian border? Nyet.
Crimea and Donbass would still be part of Ukraine.....Had there been no coup. If Yanikovich had lost his re-election bid and a pro-Western Ukraine government came to power through the democratic process, these whole conflict would not have happened.
thoose politicians should be in the front lines
They want freedom but don´t want to fight, cowards!
What happened to the old soldiers 😢
Should they do what Grandpa Pootz does? Recruit people from all over with big promises. They are cheaper to waste away. Family can file a complaint directly to a trash can.
Ukraine has plenty of strong and independent wmn to draft.
❤ in Russia too 🫂
It’s super sad. How does it come down to this? Lots of men are past soldier days
😂😂 Ukraine is democratic! Hilarious!!😂😂
If Ukrain wants more men to volunteer and join the war, UkrIne needs to send its senators and the children of the senators to the front lines, and only then will Ukrainians join the army
Even disabled people are on the Front
Senator Lindsey Graham said it best there is $8-10 trillion in Ukraine worth of minerals and precious metals. This is why US is deeply involved.
It means stop the war!!!!
My today's guess is that Ukraine had better to keep the negotiations hosted in Turkey alive. Two months since the war broke out several rounds of meetings took place and reportedly both sides aknowledged that some ground in common was there,namely the ukrainian neutrality status.Those talks could have paved the way to freezing the conflict if anything.
Lucifer needs every soul to die for him ..read revelation 20 vers 7/8...wich army you are in??
Never walk after a made up leader !!
Zelensky is eivl. Zelensky is pulling kids out of school to fight
You do report on Ukraine! Wow! I’m sure it won’t be one sided at all. Surely, the civilian suffering will be the focus.
There is non difference between a untrained soldier and a navy seal when you meet a FAB 3000...
All of a sudden there aren't any feminist , woke or body positivity people... I wonder why..😂
then give them soldiers, whats the problem??? :D :D They lost oops 60 billion more pwease!