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I still prefer Gyrfalcon's regardless of content because a lot of people seem to forget that it also gives on demand void overshields to you and your teammates and ALSO a damage buff simply for finishing a target while invisible
yeah, though I will say that from experience it is less consistent to activate it and the damage boost usually doesn't activate for long enough for you to capitalize on it. But you are right. It has higher teamplay than people give it credit for
In high end content where you need to live, Omni all the way. You can be invisible pretty much 100% of the time, and do not need any kills to get the loop started or to keep that loop going, unlike Gyrfalcons. Kills can be hard to come by sometimes in GMs. Omni is really strong when used offensively too. For low to mid content, there is nothing better than Gyrfalcon's, but there is no way I'm taking it into GM's over Omni.... think Scarlet Keep elevator... One is for defense with some offense, the other is for offense with some defense.
I'd like to see a stasis one (i.e. renewal grasps vs frostees), a solar hunter one, and an arc warlock one (crown of tempests vs fallen sunstar), since I feel that a lot of new players can only get crown first (through the exotic quest at the tower), but a lot of builds choose sunstar over it, so an in depth comparison between the 2 would be nice. Thanks for the new vid and enjoy your vacation
Cool video format idea, here are some other vs matchups Sixth coyote vs frostees as no thought neutral hunter exotics Ahamkaras vs Caliban's as solar add clear/solar aoe Dragons shadow vs speedloaders slacks as handling/reload exotics *Insert super damage buff exotic* vs star eaters
It really depends on what your playstyle is and/or how you have fun. You could honestly use knucklehead in a gm if you wanted to. That's the beauty of d2.
well unlike warlock no hunters will ever complain to run omni(if they do they have no idea what they are doing or no hunter mains) ,omni is THE gm exotic
For Warlocks, I’d love to see Nezarec’s Sin vs Contraverse Hold or Crown of Tempest vs Fallen Sunstar. Also, when threadlings get buffed next season, maybe one on Necrotic Grip vs Swarmers Broodweaver
Fallen Sunstar is easily the better choice since u get abilities all the time. Crown of Tempest is only viable when activating your super The overall benefit of add clearing from Fallen Sunstar is greater than what you get from a single super.
Been running omni in GM's and every team mate I've had has been thankful and amazed by how long I can stay invis and keep them alive lol, the ritual room is also so easy to do when you're constantly invis
I agree with this pretty much to a T. I have been a void hunter main since day one and have always kept omni on me as having so many options to go invis with to help keep me or my teammates alive. Combine with some orb pick up mods to help with cool downs and healthy finisher makes it to where you have so much surviveability whipe performing finishers and rotating between smoking teammates or using that smoke to blind and weakening enemies. I loved gryfalcon around void 3.0 but quickly realized that in hard end content it was not as reliable.
Gyrfalcon in pvp is insane and so much fun. I tried it paired with Recluse and the infinite overshield, invisibility, void surge X3, and Recluse buff just shredded everyone
I think for more difficult endgame stuff moon battlegrounds..lightblade...I tend to go omni..everything else I typically go gyrfalcons...even though both are viable in endgame...im taking gyralcon in devil's liar this week with lemon arc
Great video concept that definitely could use more in the series. My only constructive criticism is that both pieces compared should have a positive and negative listed. Even if it is slightly redundant. Here Gyrfalcon's Hauberk has a fair amount of positives and negatives listed. And then Omnioculus has its positives listed, which cover the Gyrfalcon's negatives. The video should've gone on to cover the negatives of Omni and, moreover, how they compare to Gyrfalcon's positives.
Objectively looking at it, Gyrfalcons is the better exotic plain and simple. Its just generally more useful in a wider array of content than Omni. Gryfalcons is still great in GM's providing volatile rounds to your weapons to chunck through beefy ads and majors. People also forget about the reserve overshield part of its exotic perk. Ive ran Gyrfalcons multiple times in GMs no problem, Ive had teammates do so as well. I generally prefer to run Omni's ONLY when carrying less experieinced players or while using LFG where I cant garuntee the quality of the blueberries. I dont think Omni is bad, it's amazing but its use cases for me are very slim and pretty much only regulated to a sliver of 1% scenarios I'd ever find myself in( Solo GM's, GM carry's) which I dont do often or at all. Generally once you've gotten good enough at the game and learn to play cover effectively in high tier content you dont need defensive exotics like Omni nearly as much as you'd think.
I think one big factor to consider is time. The tricky thing about using Omnioculus is that while it is an insanely good defensive option (IMO the best in the game), that defense comes at the cost of time. It takes time for the Omni user to group teammates, pop invis, relocate, wait for your health to return, etc. In a raid situation where most encounters have some kind of in-built timer that lead to a wipe, I would argue that losing that time is not good as it can require your teammates to pick up the slack while you are invisible. I think the largest benefit of Gyrfalcon's is Repulsor Brace. That perk alone turns survivability of the user from 6 to 100 instantly. Orbs are everywhere, Void Breaches to proc Devour are everywhere, and in combination with a Void LMG (I like Retrofit Escapade but many also prefer Commemoration), it's an absolute ad-clear machine, and sometimes, the best defense is a good offense. IMO the best exotic for any individual to use is the one they play the best with. At the end of the day, try not to lock yourself to a handful of exotics. There's lots of fun things this game has to offer, so try them out!
@@ZaggaZye retrofit was booty hole for pve. Thank god they removed it. Commemoration is the only lmg you will ever need for void, the perks are too broken.
@@ZaggaZye It can't be focused anymore since it's a Season of the Seraph weapon but you can still get it via world drops, using Deepsight Harmonizers on those drops until you get the pattern. I'm personally a big fan of Fourth Time + Target Lock, but there's honestly a lot of different options you could choose based of what you like and your individual playstyle.
@@ColonialDagger I think I prefer Commemoration as my primary in hard content is Wish Ender, then Energy seems to be hand cannon/Glaive. Until I learn how dbl specials work, thx for the replies guys.
The real comparison should have been Orpheus Riga vs Gyrfalcons. I mean cmon, blinding and debuffing the whole room with your tether and and then a few wish ender shots and you have your tether again. Its just crazy
My late addition to this discussion is I used Grav Lance and Gryfalcon’s for almost all of day one Crota and it was INSANE how unkillable I was with Devour. Omni for Crota to keep the team alive after and before DPS and just in general, they both have roles it’s just up to you to decide which you need depending on the scenario.
Hey Mactics. Just found your channel recently, when getting back into Destiny 2. I made this really fun (and pretty useful, just not as useful as combination blow with Assassins cowl). It involves Strand and using the new Hunter aspect to leave behind a threaded spectre. If anyone wants to know what my build looks like, my inspiration came from the Artificer elemental mines archer from Dragon Age Inquisition. Only I use 2x grapple grenades, and Sixth Coyote with a bunch of mods feeding back into my dodges. I use my melee to detonate the spectre (if you throw it while looking at the spectre)
Great Video, I recently replayed the game from scratch to see how quickly I could optimize and found that these two exotics were the only Two builds I actually aimed to get on my Hunter. A month in on the fresh account, I think I will only ever need Void Hunter and for DPS I will just be a debuffer and likely swap to Orpheus Rigs just to extend the duration of my Tether then swap back. Would love to see Crown of Tempests versus Fallen Sunstar as both offer great ability cooldown boosts but apply them in different ways that make it a hard choice to chose between.
You should do sanguine vs lunafactions or ophideans vs transversives. Probably just because I'm a warlock main lol. But what a great idea for a series dude. I love it. I'm willing to bet most, if not all, exotics are going to end up with the same answer. If people are willing to debate it, then it's going to be an answer of "it depends". You gotta hand it to bungie. Since they like to be so tight lipped about how things work, it gives a ton of space for content creators to shine. I really enjoy it at least.
I know your a hunter main but I'm really curious of what's the difference in play style between nezarec's sin vs contraverse hold. Void has a lot of tools and you can play around but I don't really know the difference between the builds other than the grenade.
Contraverse hold doesn’t require a kill to activate its perk, which makes it a better option in harder contents when ennemies have a lot more hp. In easier content, its more about what you like the most
Great vid and interesting concept. As someone who occasionally plays all three classes, this was very helpful. I think this is a great idea for a series and can’t wait to see what goes head to head next. Thank you and keep it up!
Would love to see another video in this series. I feel like assasin's cowl vs Liar's handshake would be a good video since there's quite some debate about which is better.
When running Gyrfalcon, use a Void Weapon with Repulsor Brace. Every “void debuffed target kill” grants you full health and a void overshield. Great video though dude 👏 Sincerely, A Hunter Main since D1.
Ive never actually tried omni yet, ive been meaning to but been running gerfalcons like non stop since it came out. Ill for sure try it in my farms on the nightfall this week in search of the perfect rocket
Another banger, Mac. Been using your builds since getting back in to D2 at lightfall. Ran the new GM with my (almost) triple 100 Omni build for the first time and it was a breeze!
Interesting idea of a video, going with an objective comparison over a simple build video. The idea is there and you should consider keeping that idea as I don't think many do those kind of videos. A few ideas thrown if that can help you : Cowl vs Handshake, Nezarec vs Contraverse, Starfire vs Sunbracers, Crown vs Sunstar, Frostees vs Renewal (Stasis Only), Synthoceps vs Wormgods, Caliban vs Athrys, Eternal Warrior vs Burning Step (similar)
Dude thanks! Completely get it now, and have also noticed what you’ve confirmed in this video while using both builds myself. Both of which I got from you some weeks ago
Awesome video man! I hope your vacation is going well, it’s very well deserved. I’ve not yet checked to see if you’ve made a video for this, but a video of liar’s against cowl would be great, mostly for the chance to finally have my friends stop telling me to play liars haha.
Having the full set in dim was such a unique and appreciated experience that I stop watching other videos from other content creators and not having it now it’s really disappointing
Did the GM dungeon really easily running gyrfalcons… double special with deliverance, hollow denial without artifact mod so that volatile will proc anti barrier, and leviathans breath… vanishing step, stylish executioner, with the fragment that makes you go invisible on finishers… I constantly have high survivability while playing aggressively so most kills, highest damage and least amount of damage consistently
Love this comparison but sadly i have to disagree. Your points make perfect sense & i would usually agre with you, except for the fact that 1. Melee kills also reset invis (idk how, i dont even get why), and you can give both devour and ocershields to your teammates by executing enemies which in turn gives you invis again. + every single kill on a void debuffed target spawns void breaches which always gives you an overshield + you can also get orbs that fully replenish your health when picked up. Letting you run around indefinetely even killing stronger enemies with MGs which turns you invis (moon psiops GM is a perfect example(witches)). So in a sense, you do give your teammages more survivability with overshields and devour!! (Seasonal artifact)
If you have an Omni build with 7+ mobility, it can be just as good on offense now. You can basically run infinite devour + volatile rounds while also having the Omni benefits. 7+ mobility just helps with ensuring the dodge is always there. It’s beautiful.
I love Gyrfalcon but i kept some really strong pueces of Omni as i never used it before as i didnt understand its utility/need but after the battlegrounds moon GM ill be using it alot more 100% S tier for me now
I’m currently trying to shift into using Omni but I need a better roll and need to craft age old bond (repulsor brace and destabilizing rounds) to essentially have my combination of the two
I also agree fully with the situational aspects of both pieces. I used to run Gyr but nowadays i run more Omni since ive been trying to be more consistent in endgame
@@sammyflinders I feel like that’s only like 10 or 20 percent of the game and I personally don’t really enjoy that kind of challenge bc I don’t even have a team for those, most people are just gonna play other stuff imo
@@hiroshiarturolopezsashida6071 well as a Conqueror x8 (soon to be 9) it definitely makes a world of difference to me, and Omnioculus is pretty much glued to my hunter which is my go to class for GMs.
I like Girfalcons when playing solo and Omni when I play in groups. Solo with Falcons so I don't have to worry about someone taking your kill to proc the invis. Omni for supporting the team.
6 cowote vs radiant DANCE MACHINE OR LIAR'S HAND SHAKE VS ASSASSIN COWL AND CALABANS HAND VS THE 2 STACKS OF KNIVES EXOTIC. Idk my key bored was stuck on caps lock ik I spelt cowote wrong. KEEP up the good work.
I have a crap roll Omni so I’ve not used it often. What about Omni vs Graviton Forfeit? I’ve not used that much either. I’d say I use gyrfalcons 95% or the time and Orpheus Rigs or St0mp-EE5 as the situation merits.
I'm not saying that overshield isn't great but how often can you have that overshield versus 4x resistance? With gamblers Dodge you can have 4x damage resistance for at least 30sec with Omni.👀
Before coming here I comented on your tweet of this video and funnily enough I commented the same exact thing that you said at the end when sumarizing them
Graviton forfeit best for GM and frosteez for generally everything else. I have an infinite dodge grenade invis and smoke bomb build with frosteez that's amazing
Way I see it in normal content where you are at the power level like raids or dungeons ect use gyro but in master raids, dungeons or grandmasters use Omi also this IS A WARNING if you are reading this today it is currently a Europa lost sector giving out chestplates so go pick these two up
I still don't get it. I get we all have our preferences and favourites. Omni doesn't bring a lot to the table that Gyrfalcon's doesn't. IMO Gyrfalcon's is bringing more. It can still be played defensively, and it can still help your fire team played right. When you go invis you stop getting targeted, unless you stand where you went invisible, so a damage reduction isn't exactly cake. Gyrfalcon's has the ease of getting invisibility in most content, you can still go invisible almost the same as with Omni. Gyrfalcon's has the offensiveness of volatile rounds, PLUS the reserve overshield for both you and your fire team, if they're close, and you damage boost from a finisher while invisible, Gyrfalcon's is more versatile.
I’m still trying to figure out why everyone uses the Funnelweb smg with their void builds when the Hero’s Burden with repulsive brace exists and is statistically way better 🤷🏻♂️
CELSTIAL NIGHTHAWK GOLDEN GUN vs. STAR EATERS ARCSTRIDER, the javelin super tho not the roaming super I forgot what it was called. I keep looking for comparison's on youtube but I can't find any.
Who says gyrfalcons needs kills? Run 100 mobility and triple utility Kickstart. When volatile ends, dodge again. If you want infinite invis, run omni, if you want infinite volitile run gyrfalcons. If you cant manage your invis cooldowns, use omni. If you have a skill issue or you think your teammates do, use omni.
Ok i will answer this question for all omni is better for team play. But gyrfalcons better for solo play. Gyrfalcon only make the user invisible not your whole team while omni does make the whole team invisible there your answer😊
@@coachflaps retrofit escapade is fine too it just has worse ammo economy because of the rapid fire frame. Recommend using a void holster mod so you don’t need to worry about reloading.
star eaters is better for every super... even after celestial buff it still does less. celestial is only valuable in low man raids when every second counts and you need that extra time to do damage with your weapons
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Nezarec's vs. Verity's (for void only obviously)
I’m glad I’m here to witness your rise in the community
You know they want the Liar's handshake vs Assasins Cowl breakdown
As someone who has recently started hunter this helps a lot
Unexpectedly a unique and helpful concept. A simple comparison like this is pretty much equivalent to two in-depth exotic videos mixed into one.
I still prefer Gyrfalcon's regardless of content because a lot of people seem to forget that it also gives on demand void overshields to you and your teammates and ALSO a damage buff simply for finishing a target while invisible
Gyrfalcon all the way, my bread and butter for void hunter. I love Omni as well but I rather use that one in pvp.
yeah, though I will say that from experience it is less consistent to activate it and the damage boost usually doesn't activate for long enough for you to capitalize on it. But you are right. It has higher teamplay than people give it credit for
Omni is if you want to be the team medic, gyrfalcon is if you want to be a goddamn space ninja (and I want to be a goddamn space ninja)
And if it does your taxes, you get a life win
In high end content where you need to live, Omni all the way. You can be invisible pretty much 100% of the time, and do not need any kills to get the loop started or to keep that loop going, unlike Gyrfalcons. Kills can be hard to come by sometimes in GMs. Omni is really strong when used offensively too. For low to mid content, there is nothing better than Gyrfalcon's, but there is no way I'm taking it into GM's over Omni.... think Scarlet Keep elevator...
One is for defense with some offense, the other is for offense with some defense.
I'd like to see a stasis one (i.e. renewal grasps vs frostees), a solar hunter one, and an arc warlock one (crown of tempests vs fallen sunstar), since I feel that a lot of new players can only get crown first (through the exotic quest at the tower), but a lot of builds choose sunstar over it, so an in depth comparison between the 2 would be nice. Thanks for the new vid and enjoy your vacation
You can’t forget that gyrfalcons provides easy access to devour with the fragment that gives devour from void breaches
None of the above, it’s Triton Vice 👀
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I want to use Gyrfalcons for this weeks GM but that x4 resist from Omni has saved my butt so many times. It’ll badly live Savathun’s lightning strike
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one of the best designed exotics in the game 😂
Cool video format idea, here are some other vs matchups
Sixth coyote vs frostees as no thought neutral hunter exotics
Ahamkaras vs Caliban's as solar add clear/solar aoe
Dragons shadow vs speedloaders slacks as handling/reload exotics
*Insert super damage buff exotic* vs star eaters
Pretty sure Stareaters sweeps, Cross’ super damage video can confirm
It really depends on what your playstyle is and/or how you have fun. You could honestly use knucklehead in a gm if you wanted to. That's the beauty of d2.
@@mickbreeden6516 seen lfg rocking 0 exotics before someone gonna do it
person joins a gm party with anything but a viable build and high stats they get a kick.
you can, but do others want that in their fireteam? 🤔
@@whoiswadhonestly ive seen people with solid builds utterly fail in gms and people with non meta builds do just fine
@@vanguardclash3646 viable doesn't mean meta.
As a hunter main, I always say that if you won’t run omni over gyrfalcon then you have no right to tell a warlock they have to run well
well unlike warlock no hunters will ever complain to run omni(if they do they have no idea what they are doing or no hunter mains) ,omni is THE gm exotic
@@cangooz2240 100%
I've never demanded that anyone run anything except away from the boss.
@@cangooz2240100% Omni makes this weeks gms a BREEZE
@@cangooz2240dude omni + travels chosen pistol is BUSTEDD 😂 probably my favorite “easy mode” build
For Warlocks, I’d love to see Nezarec’s Sin vs Contraverse Hold or Crown of Tempest vs Fallen Sunstar. Also, when threadlings get buffed next season, maybe one on Necrotic Grip vs Swarmers Broodweaver
Crown of Tempest vs Fallen Sunstar
+1, was also gonna suggest these two pairings
Yes I agree
Fallen Sunstar is easily the better choice since u get abilities all the time. Crown of Tempest is only viable when activating your super
The overall benefit of add clearing from Fallen Sunstar is greater than what you get from a single super.
Contraverse Hold and Sunstar win hands down. Not even close
Been running omni in GM's and every team mate I've had has been thankful and amazed by how long I can stay invis and keep them alive lol, the ritual room is also so easy to do when you're constantly invis
I agree with this pretty much to a T. I have been a void hunter main since day one and have always kept omni on me as having so many options to go invis with to help keep me or my teammates alive. Combine with some orb pick up mods to help with cool downs and healthy finisher makes it to where you have so much surviveability whipe performing finishers and rotating between smoking teammates or using that smoke to blind and weakening enemies. I loved gryfalcon around void 3.0 but quickly realized that in hard end content it was not as reliable.
U run Omni if you NEED to live or are doing a hard carry and you run Gfalc if u wanna have fun and utilize seasonal mods or repulser brace weapons
I love gyrfalcons with stylish executioner. It works great. However it doesn't work great when enemies are harder to kill.
Gyrfalcon in pvp is insane and so much fun. I tried it paired with Recluse and the infinite overshield, invisibility, void surge X3, and Recluse buff just shredded everyone
I would love to see the different arc staff exotics compared cuz it’s the one thing I’m genuinely struggling to get why/where to use em
I think for more difficult endgame stuff moon battlegrounds..lightblade...I tend to go omni..everything else I typically go gyrfalcons...even though both are viable in endgame...im taking gyralcon in devil's liar this week with lemon arc
For GMs and NFs my favorite is the Omnioculus with the overshield, and going invis to pick up down teammates.
Great video concept that definitely could use more in the series.
My only constructive criticism is that both pieces compared should have a positive and negative listed. Even if it is slightly redundant. Here Gyrfalcon's Hauberk has a fair amount of positives and negatives listed. And then Omnioculus has its positives listed, which cover the Gyrfalcon's negatives. The video should've gone on to cover the negatives of Omni and, moreover, how they compare to Gyrfalcon's positives.
Objectively looking at it, Gyrfalcons is the better exotic plain and simple. Its just generally more useful in a wider array of content than Omni. Gryfalcons is still great in GM's providing volatile rounds to your weapons to chunck through beefy ads and majors. People also forget about the reserve overshield part of its exotic perk. Ive ran Gyrfalcons multiple times in GMs no problem, Ive had teammates do so as well. I generally prefer to run Omni's ONLY when carrying less experieinced players or while using LFG where I cant garuntee the quality of the blueberries. I dont think Omni is bad, it's amazing but its use cases for me are very slim and pretty much only regulated to a sliver of 1% scenarios I'd ever find myself in( Solo GM's, GM carry's) which I dont do often or at all. Generally once you've gotten good enough at the game and learn to play cover effectively in high tier content you dont need defensive exotics like Omni nearly as much as you'd think.
I was looking for this comment. 100% true. The better/more experienced the player is, the less useful omni becomes.
This 1000% Nuff said
I think one big factor to consider is time. The tricky thing about using Omnioculus is that while it is an insanely good defensive option (IMO the best in the game), that defense comes at the cost of time. It takes time for the Omni user to group teammates, pop invis, relocate, wait for your health to return, etc. In a raid situation where most encounters have some kind of in-built timer that lead to a wipe, I would argue that losing that time is not good as it can require your teammates to pick up the slack while you are invisible. I think the largest benefit of Gyrfalcon's is Repulsor Brace. That perk alone turns survivability of the user from 6 to 100 instantly. Orbs are everywhere, Void Breaches to proc Devour are everywhere, and in combination with a Void LMG (I like Retrofit Escapade but many also prefer Commemoration), it's an absolute ad-clear machine, and sometimes, the best defense is a good offense.
IMO the best exotic for any individual to use is the one they play the best with. At the end of the day, try not to lock yourself to a handful of exotics. There's lots of fun things this game has to offer, so try them out!
Deep Stone Crypt End Boss for the Commemoration, and where do we find Retrofit Escape? What rolls should we look for as well please?
@@ZaggaZye retrofit was a season 19 weapon, it isnt available anymore
@@ZaggaZye retrofit was booty hole for pve. Thank god they removed it. Commemoration is the only lmg you will ever need for void, the perks are too broken.
@@ZaggaZye It can't be focused anymore since it's a Season of the Seraph weapon but you can still get it via world drops, using Deepsight Harmonizers on those drops until you get the pattern. I'm personally a big fan of Fourth Time + Target Lock, but there's honestly a lot of different options you could choose based of what you like and your individual playstyle.
@@ColonialDagger I think I prefer Commemoration as my primary in hard content is Wish Ender, then Energy seems to be hand cannon/Glaive. Until I learn how dbl specials work, thx for the replies guys.
The real comparison should have been Orpheus Riga vs Gyrfalcons. I mean cmon, blinding and debuffing the whole room with your tether and and then a few wish ender shots and you have your tether again. Its just crazy
My late addition to this discussion is I used Grav Lance and Gryfalcon’s for almost all of day one Crota and it was INSANE how unkillable I was with Devour.
Omni for Crota to keep the team alive after and before DPS and just in general, they both have roles it’s just up to you to decide which you need depending on the scenario.
Hey Mactics. Just found your channel recently, when getting back into Destiny 2. I made this really fun (and pretty useful, just not as useful as combination blow with Assassins cowl). It involves Strand and using the new Hunter aspect to leave behind a threaded spectre. If anyone wants to know what my build looks like, my inspiration came from the Artificer elemental mines archer from Dragon Age Inquisition. Only I use 2x grapple grenades, and Sixth Coyote with a bunch of mods feeding back into my dodges. I use my melee to detonate the spectre (if you throw it while looking at the spectre)
Great Video, I recently replayed the game from scratch to see how quickly I could optimize and found that these two exotics were the only Two builds I actually aimed to get on my Hunter. A month in on the fresh account, I think I will only ever need Void Hunter and for DPS I will just be a debuffer and likely swap to Orpheus Rigs just to extend the duration of my Tether then swap back.
Would love to see Crown of Tempests versus Fallen Sunstar as both offer great ability cooldown boosts but apply them in different ways that make it a hard choice to chose between.
You should do sanguine vs lunafactions or ophideans vs transversives. Probably just because I'm a warlock main lol. But what a great idea for a series dude. I love it. I'm willing to bet most, if not all, exotics are going to end up with the same answer. If people are willing to debate it, then it's going to be an answer of "it depends".
You gotta hand it to bungie. Since they like to be so tight lipped about how things work, it gives a ton of space for content creators to shine. I really enjoy it at least.
I know your a hunter main but I'm really curious of what's the difference in play style between nezarec's sin vs contraverse hold. Void has a lot of tools and you can play around but I don't really know the difference between the builds other than the grenade.
i do main hunter but i play all 3 classes a lot so more than happy to look at warlock and titan stuff too anytime
Contraverse hold doesn’t require a kill to activate its perk, which makes it a better option in harder contents when ennemies have a lot more hp. In easier content, its more about what you like the most
Great vid and interesting concept. As someone who occasionally plays all three classes, this was very helpful. I think this is a great idea for a series and can’t wait to see what goes head to head next. Thank you and keep it up!
Would love to see another video in this series. I feel like assasin's cowl vs Liar's handshake would be a good video since there's quite some debate about which is better.
Answer is basically the same, assassin’s cowl for survivability and liar’s handshake for offense
When running Gyrfalcon, use a Void Weapon with Repulsor Brace.
Every “void debuffed target kill” grants you full health and a void overshield.
Great video though dude 👏
Sincerely,
A Hunter Main since D1.
My heros burden has it. Invisible tanks are hard to see and kill I guess
Ive never actually tried omni yet, ive been meaning to but been running gerfalcons like non stop since it came out. Ill for sure try it in my farms on the nightfall this week in search of the perfect rocket
Another banger, Mac. Been using your builds since getting back in to D2 at lightfall. Ran the new GM with my (almost) triple 100 Omni build for the first time and it was a breeze!
Great video! Another comparison I'd like to see is Dragon Shadow vs Speedloader Slacks.
I have both exotic setups one for offence and one for defence. Thanks again for making such useful fun builds.💯👍🏾
Graviton Forfeit is up there with both especially for solo gm’s or just anything
My favorite hunter exotic! It's my go to for solo and GMs and almost all content. It just looks way better than gyrs and omnis 😊
Interesting idea of a video, going with an objective comparison over a simple build video. The idea is there and you should consider keeping that idea as I don't think many do those kind of videos. A few ideas thrown if that can help you : Cowl vs Handshake, Nezarec vs Contraverse, Starfire vs Sunbracers, Crown vs Sunstar, Frostees vs Renewal (Stasis Only), Synthoceps vs Wormgods, Caliban vs Athrys, Eternal Warrior vs Burning Step (similar)
Dude thanks! Completely get it now, and have also noticed what you’ve confirmed in this video while using both builds myself. Both of which I got from you some weeks ago
Awesome video man! I hope your vacation is going well, it’s very well deserved. I’ve not yet checked to see if you’ve made a video for this, but a video of liar’s against cowl would be great, mostly for the chance to finally have my friends stop telling me to play liars haha.
Depends, if you’re using a void weapon gyrfalcons. If not (like let’s say you’re using div or something) then omni
I find myself rushing in Leroy Jenkins style a lot more here lately and Gyrfalcon comes in pretty handy with my reckless gameplay 😄
Having the full set in dim was such a unique and appreciated experience that I stop watching other videos from other content creators and not having it now it’s really disappointing
Good idea for a series!
Did the GM dungeon really easily running gyrfalcons… double special with deliverance, hollow denial without artifact mod so that volatile will proc anti barrier, and leviathans breath… vanishing step, stylish executioner, with the fragment that makes you go invisible on finishers… I constantly have high survivability while playing aggressively so most kills, highest damage and least amount of damage consistently
What is the music in the background? Amazing video as always Mac!! 👑
Love this comparison but sadly i have to disagree. Your points make perfect sense & i would usually agre with you, except for the fact that 1. Melee kills also reset invis (idk how, i dont even get why), and you can give both devour and ocershields to your teammates by executing enemies which in turn gives you invis again. + every single kill on a void debuffed target spawns void breaches which always gives you an overshield + you can also get orbs that fully replenish your health when picked up. Letting you run around indefinetely even killing stronger enemies with MGs which turns you invis (moon psiops GM is a perfect example(witches)). So in a sense, you do give your teammages more survivability with overshields and devour!! (Seasonal artifact)
I like the radiant dance myself. How do you feel like Compare to these 2?
If you have an Omni build with 7+ mobility, it can be just as good on offense now. You can basically run infinite devour + volatile rounds while also having the Omni benefits. 7+ mobility just helps with ensuring the dodge is always there. It’s beautiful.
How does mobility grant you Volatile rounds on Omni? Volatile Flow isn’t a thing rn.
I would love to see an Assassins cowl/liars handshake or nezeracs sin/contraverse hold video, i love all of them
Wow! Great series- concept, looking forward to it...I'm such a casual that I don't even care which match-ups you focus on :)
I feel like this should have been Omni vs Graviton
I love Gyrfalcon but i kept some really strong pueces of Omni as i never used it before as i didnt understand its utility/need but after the battlegrounds moon GM ill be using it alot more 100% S tier for me now
I’m currently trying to shift into using Omni but I need a better roll and need to craft age old bond (repulsor brace and destabilizing rounds) to essentially have my combination of the two
Super excited for this series. And honestly more content from you. Love your videos my dood
I also agree fully with the situational aspects of both pieces. I used to run Gyr but nowadays i run more Omni since ive been trying to be more consistent in endgame
Great timing. I just needed two hunter exotic pieces, that being omnioculus and gyrfalcons. I just got them both today
Takeaway?
Grandmasters- Omnioculus
Anything else- Gyrfalcon’s
So Gyrfalcons is just better?
Not at all. It's situational, and for the toughest challenges you want Omni.
Omni hunters are just there to revive the dawgs.
@@sammyflinders I feel like that’s only like 10 or 20 percent of the game and I personally don’t really enjoy that kind of challenge bc I don’t even have a team for those, most people are just gonna play other stuff imo
@@hiroshiarturolopezsashida6071 well as a Conqueror x8 (soon to be 9) it definitely makes a world of difference to me, and Omnioculus is pretty much glued to my hunter which is my go to class for GMs.
Could do Speed Loader Slacks vs. Dragon Shadows Vest.
LOVING the new content Mac. Keep it up, brother 👊🏻
I like Girfalcons when playing solo and Omni when I play in groups.
Solo with Falcons so I don't have to worry about someone taking your kill to proc the invis.
Omni for supporting the team.
omni is dogshit in current meta when graviton exists
Gryfalcon is new updated exotic which makes it better imo but Omi has its own uses in certain places so depends
6 cowote vs radiant DANCE MACHINE OR LIAR'S HAND SHAKE VS ASSASSIN COWL AND CALABANS HAND VS THE 2 STACKS OF KNIVES EXOTIC. Idk my key bored was stuck on caps lock ik I spelt cowote wrong. KEEP up the good work.
I have a crap roll Omni so I’ve not used it often. What about Omni vs Graviton Forfeit? I’ve not used that much either. I’d say I use gyrfalcons 95% or the time and Orpheus Rigs or St0mp-EE5 as the situation merits.
I'm not saying that overshield isn't great but how often can you have that overshield versus 4x resistance? With gamblers Dodge you can have 4x damage resistance for at least 30sec with Omni.👀
Before coming here I comented on your tweet of this video and funnily enough I commented the same exact thing that you said at the end when sumarizing them
Graviton forfeit best for GM and frosteez for generally everything else. I have an infinite dodge grenade invis and smoke bomb build with frosteez that's amazing
I think of them as:
Gyrfalcon for offence and debuffs
Omni for defence and survivability.
Both equally viable.
I've been running garfunkles as my main build with fighting lion in gms and it rips, sure I'm not a very good team mate but it's fun lol
With your Omni oculus build I carried my team mates into GM, now I'm stuck with it and nobody helped me with the titan or warlock:'(
on the same boat as you
😭
Way I see it in normal content where you are at the power level like raids or dungeons ect use gyro but in master raids, dungeons or grandmasters use Omi also this IS A WARNING if you are reading this today it is currently a Europa lost sector giving out chestplates so go pick these two up
malfeasant and gyrfalcon's with a hullaballoo and something with special ammo would be op.
Hi Mate, whats that site you use to list your build please? Have a sub :)
I'd like to see one for Titans. Maybe something like Actium War Rig vs Peacekeepers. I dunno. I already use Actium religiously lol.
Tnx for the explanation! Like the format
Run a finisher build for teamplay with gyrfalcon, keep overshielding everyone!
I always wanted see a video comparing both of these
I still don't get it. I get we all have our preferences and favourites. Omni doesn't bring a lot to the table that Gyrfalcon's doesn't. IMO Gyrfalcon's is bringing more. It can still be played defensively, and it can still help your fire team played right. When you go invis you stop getting targeted, unless you stand where you went invisible, so a damage reduction isn't exactly cake. Gyrfalcon's has the ease of getting invisibility in most content, you can still go invisible almost the same as with Omni. Gyrfalcon's has the offensiveness of volatile rounds, PLUS the reserve overshield for both you and your fire team, if they're close, and you damage boost from a finisher while invisible, Gyrfalcon's is more versatile.
Omni got me through the hardest GM Moon battleground.
Star Eater Scales for me. Super real fast, and if you use it right it gives you emergency invincibility plus extra damage for DPS phases
can you do a solar titan exotic comparison, for example pheonix cradle vs loreley, or loreley vs synthoceps?
Can you do some builds with the old exotics. Like if we don’t have the new ones from solo lost sectors.?!
Great video perfectly explained the obvious difference. I know which one I run on hard content 👀👀👀👀👀👀
You should definitely do Graviton Forfeit vs Assassin's Cowl
u mean assassins cowl vs liars handshake?
@@cangooz2240 i was thinking mainly for invisibility rather than healing and damage but yeah thats also a good comparison
Shinobu's Vow vs Young Ahamkara Spine, which is the better grenade build?
WOW Mactics thats a crazy strange way to spell knicklehead radar
The 50% damage resist only works if they do not shoot immediately
As much as i still want warlock and titan to get more attention on this channel, i am curious if youve ever built void hunter with graviton forfeit
If u want do damage in hunter, what is the best loadout ?
Guess I'm going to have to grind vex incursion zones for Omnioculus.
I’m still trying to figure out why everyone uses the Funnelweb smg with their void builds when the Hero’s Burden with repulsive brace exists and is statistically way better 🤷🏻♂️
OMNICULUS IS THE BEST EXO . I FIGURE THAT AGAIN AND AGAIN EVERYTIME I START USING GYRF
Respectfully that means you suck.
PLEASE STOP WITH THE BANGER VIDEOS. THESE MASTERPIECES ARE WELL EDITED AND WORTH WATCHING EVERY SECOND
I’ve always used graviton on void hunter, I use strand for all content on hunter now anyway, it’s jus better
So is graviton forfeit just bad in comparison to these two?
CELSTIAL NIGHTHAWK GOLDEN GUN vs. STAR EATERS ARCSTRIDER, the javelin super tho not the roaming super I forgot what it was called. I keep looking for comparison's on youtube but I can't find any.
Who says gyrfalcons needs kills? Run 100 mobility and triple utility Kickstart. When volatile ends, dodge again. If you want infinite invis, run omni, if you want infinite volitile run gyrfalcons. If you cant manage your invis cooldowns, use omni. If you have a skill issue or you think your teammates do, use omni.
HOIL vs. Lancecap vs. Hoarfrost for Stasis titan? (Longshot cuz I know ppl don’t care about Behemoth anymore 😢)
Do Crown of Tempests vs. Fallen Sun Star next.
Ok i will answer this question for all omni is better for team play. But gyrfalcons better for solo play. Gyrfalcon only make the user invisible not your whole team while omni does make the whole team invisible there your answer😊
3 way vs calibans hand, athrisis embrace and ophidia spathe
Hey mactics, have you considered using le monarque on gyrfalcons? It allows you to spread volatile without having to worry about killing the target.
Le Monarque, GF and Commemeration is how I solo’d Mars GM as well as the legend Vexcalibur quest 3 times. It’s a very strong build.
One of these years I’ll try to get that machine gun.
@@coachflaps retrofit escapade is fine too it just has worse ammo economy because of the rapid fire frame. Recommend using a void holster mod so you don’t need to worry about reloading.
Comm is easy enough to get, once DSC is farmable again you can just farm taniks cp
I think another episode for this series could be ahamkara spine vs calabains hand
THE SCREEN SHOT SECTION W. Now i can use for later 🥰
Hunter Super Exotic Showdown: Star Eater Scales vs. Raiden Flux, Celestial Nighthawk, Shards of Galanor, Orpheus Rig.
star eaters is better for every super... even after celestial buff it still does less. celestial is only valuable in low man raids when every second counts and you need that extra time to do damage with your weapons