It was kind of the move that defined post Endgame Marvel. They were literally building up the early part of the Multiverse Saga, and instead of introducing a small but significant plot thread that they could expand on as much as they wanted later, they used Evan Peters as a dumb joke. Now we're stuck knee deep in a multiverse storyline that feels way to drawn out, but also like it never really started.
Yeah I’m honestly just confused more than anything when it comes to the recent storylines and where it’s all supposed to be going. This should be the simplest layup in the world but I feel like I’m just watching an Olympic team that’s never practiced together spending the whole game passing back and forth around the perimeter and then one of them randomly dunks on the universe before it’s right back to basics.
@@MisterPeckingOrderit’s very odd that they didn’t use the same multiverse concept for each film. I do remember hearing that America Chavez was supposed to be a similar link but was pushed out of it due to Covid
You nailed it. It really felt like it was the beginning of the multiverse. I thought Wanda's powers were getting so strong and out of control that it pulled her brother from another universe and that would have consequences. With all the incursion stuff we have now it actually would've fit the narrative perfectly. What a waste.
It's like making a joke that they is clever but no one liked it and instead made everyone mad. Wanda Vision doesn't even come to my just because how they made a fool out me among millions of other. It's just a mediocre Marvel Show among the sea of Mediocrity. For me Loki and Moon Knight will be the best of the Marvel TV
I remember when this first happened , we were all pissed😭. We thought this was finna be some big fox x men and mcu avengers cross over but they made it a dick joke. That is insane work
@@kropianimation1774there were no signs other than the fact that they chose a person whom plays quicksilver in the fox universe to play him in wandas world, all just after fox and marvel finished their deal.
I just don't think you should sacrifice in-universe logic, for the sake of a joke. They thought they were being meta, but really it just came across as Disney buying Marvel, then making fun of both the property and its fans.
@@TheRealGSmithnot really when u think if the fact that how tf and what are the chances this character that looks exactly like a character that’s confirmed to exist within the multiverse now just happened to be used to pretend to be said character . and just be some random guy not even a variant or connection 🤣.
@@Jokervision744 he’s either dead (causs in Deadpool & Wolverine they said that “The Quicksilver” died fighting Cassandra Nova) or Off Grid in Earth-10005 (The X-Men & Deadpool’s Universe) cause we haven’t seen a modern day version of the character yet since that character was a character living in the 80s.
I contend that the MCU is that universe. Evan Peters' Quicksilver was displaced from his own universe &, thinking that they'd go after him for being a mutant, changed his name to Ralph Bohner & hid in Westview, where Agatha found out about his abilities & mind controlled him for her own benefit. Until they actually address this in-universe, there's nothing to say it's not canon.
I wonder if in that other Universe the MCU stayed as Strong as it was in the lead up to endgame. Where there were smart people in the offices going "no, don't do the fans dirty like that, We said this is the Multiverse Saga and we just had a big win for us getting use of all these characters, Let's focus on the things people want instead of pulling random stuff no one was looking for and not make a show about every minor character." And we got Evan Peters and She-hulk didnt twerk or whine about how she is better at controlling her anger because she has had to face things like catcalls to BRUCE of all people... and then maybe people wouldnt be so polarized on her because they had actual court professionals advise the court Drama show, Falcon and WS didnt have tons of messy rewrites because they were too scared it would sound like the pandemic, maybe there wouod be better communication between Wandavision and Multiverse of Madness so Wandas character didnt take a complete turn to unredeemable psycho town murdering people in other realitoes so she can have the kids she had for 1 week....
@@Dan55888 man the universe you’re describing must be a damn good one because boy do we wish that were the case, either that or it’d be some sort of monkeys paw logic where we get the best and most ideal post-Endgame MCU movies and tv shows for the multiverse saga but somehow it via butterfly effect results in something bad happening like one of the octogenarian presidents during this era reinstating the draft or accidentally launching nukes due to progressive dementia or something, lol.
I remember all the theories about how Quicksilver could possibly make a return and when he did the the internet broke, the possibilities were endless....
Quicksilver talks fast and runs faster. The character has next to no development and they tried to do the same slow-mo scene in each subsequent movie, each to lesser effect. Why is that better than either of the Magnetos or Xaviers??
@@terminatrix92purely because he was an entertaining character. Not because he was as well acted or written but because of the radiant energy coming from the character. Talks fast, runs faster and his screen time goes faster still. Both magnetos are phenomenal but I can’t say either are as gleefully entertaining as watching quicksilver trolling the rest of the cast and having his slow-moments with some kicker music coming from his sped up Walkman. Those scenes may not be very good narratively but they are dumb fun and at the time we’re absolutely insane. Tl;dr he’s just a fun character that gets only as much screen time as he needs without necessarily overstaying and his few appearances are always fun.
@@fuzi5303 In the comix, Quicksilver was not and wasnt supposed to be a 'Fun Character'. For this reason I really preferred Aaron as Quicksilver. I think Evans is a good actor, but not for the role.
To be fair, we were off of an insane high only thinking it would get even better from there with actual series lined up with the original cast and all. But nope, it only gradually declined from there and got steeper the farther from Endgame we veered. Loki and GotG 3 basically provided our only reprieves from the all out assualt on us fans.
They'll never know what your u sacrificed. Yeah but it could have been thousands more if she hadn't put up her own quarantine. Was this the start of justifying some fucked up shit?
@@jagfan101 Not to mention we were starved for content with the lockdown delaying everything and the show did start promising. But they took all the wrong lessons for sure. If anything, the initial success of Wandavision deluded them into thinking we would welcome what was to come. It was too soon for people to realize we should be more worried, but they were too quick to assume they could get away with anything. By the time they realized we had started losing our trust in them it was too late.
@@langreeves6419What are you talking about? The bait was the X-Men version of quicksilver showing up. The switch is him being 'just some asshole' People thought this was the MCU's entry point into the X-Men universe. What are you not getting about that?
this was not the only problem with Wandavision by a mile. past the middle point WandaVision turned into a cliched marvel slop, that's the problem. it even ended with a big cgi battle between 2 people with the exact same powers. the cleverness of the first 4 episodes was a ruse.
Yep, I don't see it mentioned enough that they made Harkness a goofy "sitcom" villain. The tone was nothing like we've seen from Marvel and WAY out of place in this universe. They did her dirty AND now she has her own damn show on the way! Marvel's misses after Endgame have just piled on. While they weren't perfect at all before EG, it wasn't so widespread...
Absolute garbage. I even remember some higher up said they “needed” to have some big climactic battle because it’s a marvel property and that’s what the fans crave. Stupid, bad instincts.
Exactly. Marvel did such a good job creating a unique, mysterious, and dark (by MCU standards) story but they couldn’t stick the landing. The Agatha plot twist had very limited payoff and the ending lacked the emotional depth and tension the show did such a good job building
Agreed. This is a problem with other Marvel projects too. They have a unique premise or character that’s working, then they nosedive directly into the most uninteresting by the books slop ever. Moon Knoght and Ms Marvel do the same thing
Past the midpoint? The penultimate episode, episode 8, was by far the best episode of the entire series and rightfully garnered Emmy nominations for the writing. Your overall opinion of the show is NOT the critical nor popular consensus.
I’m still off the opinion that Marvel missed their golden ticket for retroactively integrating mutants into the MCU. Having it end with “No more mutants”, and making every movie that came before into a version of history where the mutants were already erased would have given them the ability to tell whatever story they wanted to for mutant origins and not worry about conflict. They could hand wave all the continuity errors as, “yea, but it only played out in that movie that way because Wanda erased the X-men. The *real* history is that they did join the Avengers last stand against Thanos. And Wolverine *really was* in Captain America, the First Avenger, but Wanda had erased him from the timeline.
Or even do it as a TVA thing, perhaps some version of Pietro did get rounded up by them and he slipped out before getting yoinked into that while still in hiding.
@@mon_nobi I suspect Agatha didn't give Super Speed to that Quicksilver. More likely once Wanda was deluded into believing it actually was her brother she inadvertently gave him super speed the following day/episode. I mean she can completely control reality in her cube, it's not wrong to assume her subconscious was doing the work for Agatha.
@@Error-ke1tf honestly that sounds like a good explanation and would have been great had they mentioned something along those lines rather than his powers just disappearing once the beads were removed despite the hex still being up.
Marvel level of disrespect was insane, I mean you casing Fox Quicksilver actor as Wanda's brother? What do you think people gonna expect? They knew what they were doing: trolling, just like they did with the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, Task Master in Black Widow or even Mysterio in Far From Home.
Yeah this wasn't even a joke it was just straight up trolling they did to us for no reason other than to laugh at the audience knowing we aren't laughing back
@@Verebazs yeah I wouldn’t say Mysterio was a troll move only cuz anybody that actually knows who Mysterio is called it before even seeing the movie. Messing with people is the characters entire thing so that gets a pass specifically
@@uchihabomber1296 Exactly, Mysterio is a character built on deception. They tricked the audience with a revelation of "oh yeah, he's more like his comics counterpart. He's a villain lol"
@@SpectacularSpiderFan I agree if anything the casual audience was tricked since I know they mainly watch the movies and don’t know anything else Marvel besides the MCU canon
I contend that Evan Peters IS the FoX-Men Universe Quicksilver who was teleported to the MCU & went into Witness Protection under a different name. It's a missed opportunity if they didn't address this in "Deadpool & Wolverine".
It worked. It gave a Francis type character for the Malcolm in the Middle episode, gave Agatha a way to get Wanda to open up to someone she trusts as much as Vision and made us believe he was really Pietro even though they seem to not have been able to get ATJ again. It also sets up that their magic can’t resurrect people so people don’t demand Wanda bring people back moving forward. I thought it was great. Like I would have loved if that led to Quicksilver being a part of the MCU, his slow motion scenes are some of the best comic book movie sfx scenes out there. There’s also no reason this prevents him from returning with that actor again.
Idk this might just be people ranting but. I heard ATJs wife doesnt want him around Elizabeth Olsen anymore cause apparently since being in a few films together one being a romantic one they seemed to be very close. In interviews hes seen to be looking at her very passionately and his wife didnt like that. There is this thing his wife likes to do and thats be with him on every project and press tour hes in. Stating him going away for 6 weeks for the fall guy was the longest they've been apart out of their 13 year marriage. to me thats not healthy to constantly be around your partner no matter what and let the in laws watch your kids is kind of like controlling. So thats like something ive seen like she doesnt like how close olsen and her husband got when they were filming a couple movies together despite them being married.
To me, the Ralph Bohner thing just felt like the creators of the show saying fuck you to people watching the show. It just came across as really spiteful and mean spirited to me
Dark Phoenix is one, and WandaVision is the second. But what's the third? Say what you want of X-Men Apocalypse's quality as a film, but the Sweet Dreams sequence is iconic and his little arc with Magneto being his dad is one of the brightspots of that movie.
@aksharaghav9657 Make that Four times. Apparently in Deadpool and Wolverine (Spoils by the way) ...Quicksilver was sent to the void and got killed by Cassandra Nova off-screen.
I mean, it aired just 9 days after 1999. It's not a stretch to assume the aesthetics were 90s-derived, a bit -- sort of a punk feel to the style of Malcolm in the Middle, which certainly saw a lot of love in the 90s.
The twist might've been a little more well received if the writers didn't use it as an excuse to make a boner joke. That element is what fully crossed the line between "toying with expectations" and "giving a middle finger to the audience."
@@TheRealGSmith Yes, because throwing a whole city to destroy Earth wasn't exactly that and the death of a secondary character without any development some extra note to the film. Nobody was crying over "omg, what was his name died!"
@@TheRealGSmith You seriously that bad of a reader that you think if a minor character doesn't die the story has no stakes? They were serious they'd have killed Tony, Steve, someone important. This was just a giveaway to pretend he did anything.
@@adrianomoraes5992 I really liked that movie. His death was a surprise. That was the point. And I already had the cool FOX version, so I don't see any problem with that part of the screenplay.
@@TheRealGSmith I thought it was the worst written thing to the life of me. The character was underdeveloped, Al we knew was his tagline "you didn't see it coming?" and killing a speedster with bullets was straight out nonsense. I guess they killed him because Fox was also using not because of story reasons organic to the script because it adds nothing. Wanda could you go after Ultron anyway just out of all destruction and deaths he caused. At least she got developed later in other movies and a TV show. Quicksilver was completely thrown away. We have at best 10 minutes of such important character in the whole MCU. If they bring Magneto as their father next it is a huge loss and for no justifiable reasons. Don't kill a character you haven't fully developed and made the most of. Kill him like they did with Tony who had a whole story arc.
I think they did it because his powers would complicate everything logically in future movies. There are a lot of movies where Superspeed would end the story. For example the bomb at the beginning of Civil War.
@@StephenKterror Maybe, but as it is, the show presents a character struggling with grief and letting go who learns somewhat how to deal with it while also seeing the pain that her unhealthy coping methods caused others. Then in Multiverse, she goes "screw that, let's do it again but even worse."
I think the way they treated this character and what she went through during this show resonated a little too close to some personal things that were happening in my life at about the same time. To see her go through that and come out a little better was hard to watch then but still somewhat helpful. Throwing that away all away in Multiverse was tough to see. Wanda went from being relatable to unredeemable, and that wasn't fair to her.
@@jasonlewis3742 Yes, but they don't go into it fully, due to some contradicting and intentional actions on Wanda's part. They try so hard to make us sympathize with her and make her still a hero at the end of the story, when during her grief process, have hurt, traumatized and threatened many people before she reached her final and accepting stage.
I love the fact that, every single time the MCU pulls out rather clever twists or fake-outs, they become incredibly controversial. Reminds me of when they had that Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3, well executed (they played us after all)... and then fans hated it so much that they literally made a short (All Hail The Kind) just to say "oh yeah, don't worry (sweating) the *real* Mandarin is out somewhere, this was our plan all along ha ha (hysterical laughter)".
The worst thing about this, is that they straight up lied in the subtitles. They described him, in the subtitles, as "the Fox X-Men Version of Quicksilver" or something like that if I remember correctly.
Speaking of Wandavision going through various generations of tv, I always felt they missed a trick not doing an animated intro - the golden era of the likes of the Simpsons, King of the Hill, etc.
@@pontiacw7 So what? Wandavision was a love letter to popular tv of different eras, and no tv programme was as gargantuan as the Simpsons at its peak. Plus Disney own it, so it wouldn't have been all that outlandish. Hell, Doc Stange zipped briefly through an animated universe, and even one where he was paint, in MoM as well. And from the perspective of the show itself, an animated intro is no more "out there" than everyone wandering around in black and white for an episode, or a laugh track existing.
I remember how hyped I was when they showed this. I remember telling all my friends to watch this show so they could get to that scene. Just thinking about it still upsets me lol.
This is the thing that made me fall out of love with the MCU. It had been building for a very long time, it was obvious to anyone that there was a drop in quality with all the standalone non big team up movies by 2021 and in addition to that a shift towards much more humor/cameo focused narratives. However, I thought this show was extremely well done through the first several episodes in an exciting and refreshing way. When they did this reveal and then pulled the rug out, it pretty much solidified everything I disliked about the direction they were going (and still largely have continued) to go. We have a studio now who prioritizes shock value reveals and slapstick comedy over actual storytelling, this is the epitome of that imo
I'm so sick of meta sh*t. Being self aware doesn't make you clever if it's the only story element you use constantly. It's not even a trope. It's a cop out.
Also wild how at the time it seemed like they felt too good and smart to connect their universe to the hit or miss Fox films and played it for shock value instead, when they've pretty much used those exact Fox characters to gain hype for their movies and shows ever since Multiverse of Madness lol
It was the era of “subverting expectations,” which is silly when talking about Star Wars, fantasy stories, comic books, etc. Because the expectation IS the medium. Having a larger than life hero, setting that hero with a similarly epic baddie, having them fight it out, or switch places, or make the story epic in some other meaningful way IS why we go to these stories. Anybody can be a regular Bohner, but only one person (or maybe two) can be Quicksilver. We expected epicness, they handed us a silly subversion. It removed the stakes, it didn’t raise them. It didn’t replace those removed stakes with anything higher. It just deflated the story like a fart balloon.
Why do you want the same thing over and over again? Are you already brain dead? Do you not want some stimulation? By not allowing media based of comics and video games to branch out, you're consigning them to mediocrity forever.
lately, if an MCU product leaves you asking “but what does this mean for the world and dynamics moving forward?” remember that the answer is almost always “nothing”
This definitely didn't age well since Marvel ended up bringing back a lot of the legacy actors to reprise their roles in movies like No Way Home and Deadpool 3.
This. This is THE turning point in the MCU. This right here is the start of just bad decision after decisions. Hiring writers that hated the source material and had no real concept of what to do with the characters.
I didnt hate it as much as everyone else, lots of people let that one thing ruin the whole show for them which IMO is stupid. I still think Wandavision remains one of the best post Endgame MCU projects. I am still really sad we didnt actually get Evan Peters in the MCU, part of me was hoping theyd use it as a way to really start with the multiverse stuff or smth
That was one of if not the biggest most disgusting bullsht the MCU made so far. And there was already the "mandarin-twist" and the "taskmaster-slaughtering".
Exactly. His real name was Peter Maximoff, no relation to the other Maximoff family, & he was someone who wasn't in the system, because he was secretly from the FoX-Men Universe. If there's no official lore to contradict this, it's canon.
@@cobaltwolfknight That's confirmed but not confirmed. Could have been his real name but had a new identity hiding his glory days withholding the headshots away from the FBI.
The story about Ralph Bohner is going to blow everyone’s mind in 2026 probably. Obviously it’s not only a joke thrown away unceremoniously in the middle of Wandavision and now again in Agatha All Along. There’s probably something in the end of the Witch’s Road that allowed Agatha to access the multiverse in a limited way. There will be a Mephisto connection. And definitely Bohner will be revealed to actually be Fox’s Quicksilver.
According to insiders Agatha was supposed to introduce Rama-Tut’s backstory; who is tied to Apocalypse in the comics. Since after Deadpool & Wolverine, it appears the MCU is also keeping the FOX cast. Hence Ralph is probably Peter Maximoff
I don't think Quicksilver has ever been "that" popular in the comics. If anything, for the longest time, he's at best been a macguffin or Chekov's gun. He always tried pleasing Magneto, who always treated him like garbage. In turn he'd get angsty, and blah blah blah. And let's not forget the creepy semi-incestuous relationship the between him and Wanda.
Ralph Boner could’ve been an alias for the Evan Peters’ Quicksilver, who along with the Fox X-Men characters of the alternate timeline were summoned to the MCU as Wanda merged both the MCU and the 2nd Fox Universe, explaining why the TVA was monitoring Deadpool and Wolverine, Patrick Stewart’s Professor X being a member of the Illuminati, as well as introducing the Multiverse concept.
Important to note is something called Stunt Casting. Sitcoms did it ALL the time, even if it made no sense whatsoever. Wandavision looked at the best things about sitcoms, and also the worst. The fact that people got up set about this showed that it worked. The reason they got Evan Peters back as another version of Quicksilver and people thought it was going to be a big deal when it really wasn't showed that they took the Stunt Casting to heart.
I get why people had a problem with Fake Pietro, I do. But many people mistakenly thought the whole "Bohner" thing was just a random lame D joke; it was actually a direct reference to the goofy young next door neighbor character Boner in the 80s sitcom Growing Pains where WandaVision director Matt Shakman got his start in business as a kid.
Foxs quicksilver “let me flick bullets out of alignment and completely change their trajectory .” Mcus quicksilver “let me catch bullets… with my body.”
Ralph Bohner in my opinion was meant to show how vulnerable people are when grieving. Wanda lost everyone and by WANDAVISION EPISODE 5, the show wanted to show Wanda in her bargaining stage, hence Evan Peters. We all know Aaron Taylor Johnson played Pietro so Evan Peters’ Quicksilver appearing should have been a red flag, except Wanda was in her bargaining stage, she was willing to take ANYTHING just to get rid of the pain or suppress it, so she accepted this red herring as it helped lessen the pain. We are human and when grieving, we would do anything just to lessen the pain of grief even if it is something so messed up such as rebounding. It made perfect sense for Wanda to blindly accept this stranger as her brother, and Evan Peters was the only actor who could have pulled off this misdirection as we knew him as Fox’s Quicksilver, so this would NOT have worked with AJT’s Quicksilver. Honestly, I think the Ralph Bohner twist was PERFECT
Right, and it was explained in the show that her real brother was dead. Nothing they can do about that. He's dead. So Agatha used a "Fake Pietro or Fietro" in an attempt to wake up Wanda from her own false reality.
Doesn't recasting your dead brother with a different person who looks just familiar enough for you to accept it work just as well for showing how vulnerable people are when grieving? Like it's not her brother, it's a different person but he could still be Quicksilver to us, the audience. We knew how sad the move was right after he appeared and before it turned out to be Ralph Bohner. So the twist is pretty unnecessary in terms of story themes and morals. They practically did the same thing in Multiverse of madness when Wanda tried to fill the void of her children with some other version of them. It was (supposed to be) sad for the same reason. The twist in WandaVision was for her to realize that it's not her brother but a different person who looks kinda similar. That would still work for the plot but won't cut off any possibilities to expand on Evan Peters's appearance and pull Fox and Marvel universes together. They still have to do it one way or the other and it was very clever and minimalistic way to do so which they pulled back on for some reason.
Man I loved it. It's literally an ideal place to play with expectations. "Don't do it with a beloved character" you don't have expectations for characters you don't care about.... You *only* do it to beloved characters. Maybe in the "we'll have a reveal trailor for our twist" where you spoil the subversion genre of pop films, sure. It sucks. But literally why watch films and TV if we're afraid of being uncomfortable of feeling something lol afraid of being minimally challenged. I swear, every time a TV show or film makes people be active viewers, all you get is "this was bad fan service! They just thought they were being clever!!" No, they thought you would be clever lol
“We wanted to tease fans into thinking we were giving them something they really wanted that would adapt a great storyline and create some intriguing elements and then BAM smack them in the face with ‘ha! You idiots! Nothing matters and we don’t care what you want.’ Much better artistic choice in our opinion.” -Wandavision showrunners
This was when I stopped being a fan. I didn't choose to stop. I can remember the deflation I felt. I knew it was an executive decision made at the last minute and it was a clear indicator that whatever I thought was supposed to happen wasn't a mystery, it was considered. It was just denied, horribly. Ralph Boehner ended up being the straw that broke the camels back, who knew?
I feel like the MCU killed Pietro because his powers would complicate everything logically in future movies, with people constantly asking why Quicksilver didnt just do this or that. Why even put him in in the first place, then? Just for Wanda?
The logic of their explanation makes sense, but I think they were really underestimating how much their fans would also be fans of the X-Men Quicksilver. Which is a silly thing to underestimate. It would follow that fans of Marvel movies also like the X-Men movies.
In the comics Quicksilver is this mutant what does chip on his shoulder, that hates his father Magneto. He's not the guy in the X-Men movies. That's actually the Flash.
The thing with people thinking Wandavision would still be a house of M adaptation by episode 7 is that if they had watched the show they’d know that just wasn’t the case from episode 1
As if the Ralph Bohner cop out wasn't bad enough, its even worse now that in Deadpool and Wolverine, Quicksilver died off screen in the void fighting against Cassandra Nova. Which means we'll never get to see Evan Peter's Quicksilver portrayed in the MCU ever, not even in Avengers: Secret Wars 😭😡
I still think that Marvel had a big plan of treating its 2021 releases as Multiversal fake-outs in order to build up No Way Home. If you consider that Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness was supposed to be released a month after Wandavision, then it checks. - Wandavision: "Hey look, they have Fox's Quicksilver as the new Pietro. The Multiverse is real!" except, no, he was a totally unrelated character. Sorry, the multiverse is still closed - Doctor Strange 2: "This movie is going to open up to the Multiverse. Look, Patrick Stewart is in there!" except that he only played a variant of Professor X, and the movie itself barely played with the whole Multiverse thing (the other variants were just MCU characters in alternate fashion after all) - Loki: "they are definitely going to bring in the Multiverse this time!" except no, this show is barely tied to what was going on in the larger MCU at that time Then, after months of frustrating teases that led to nowhere, the show What If would prove that, yes, a Multiverse is here, but still confined within the MCU. Afterwards, late into that year, we get No Way Home... and we finally see what we expected the whole year, with the Spiderverse full in action.
I watched WandaVision almost religiously while it was on, and ordered the disc set as soon as it was available. I'm a MAJOR fan of the show! And guess what? I thought the Ralph Bohner subplot was sheer genius! Yes, it played with the expectations of the fans (including me), but I realized immediately that this was just another fakeout from the producers of the show. So I decided to just enjoy the character and see what happened to him. Yes, I was surprised by the outcome, but knew it HAD to be something along those lines. I was less thrilled when Bohner showed up in Agatha All Along, mostly because he had become what looked like a conspiracy theorist, which clashed with the personality he showed towards the end of WnadaVision
I thought the revelation of Ralph Bonner was going to lead to something else where he really was Quicksilver but I guess that’s not happening anytime soon.
I don’t understand why Marvel fans keep complaining about things not being “comic book accurate” when these movies and tv shows have NEVER been comic book accurate. All of the creatives and cast members have stated that they are telling new stories with new versions of the characters. If you want the comic book stories then just buy the comic books and read them.
Wanda Vision was pretty good. It was a crazy moment to see Evan Peter's reprise his role as Quick Silver. Even tho he wasn't technically Quick Silver 😂 I went crazy when I saw him appear for the 1st time 🎉
It was clear that this was a grudge against Fox for pulling of a better and popular Quicksilver than the MCU... It was childish and petty... They can sugarcoat it as much they want, they were just bitter.... Bcz this doesn't make sense otherwise...
I don’t hate it, but it definitely fell off near the end. In comparison to typical MCU (especially the TV shows), it might as well be breaking bad, but when compared with real TV it becomes pretty obvious it’s not anything special
Imagine at the end of wandavision Wanda casted house of M on the entire world. The mutant race would be born. Then at the end of multiverse of madness she casted no more mutants, than only a small minority of mutants kept their powers, and thats why they are hated.
My question is, why didnt they just get Aaron? I get that its supposed ro be comedic and aaron taylor really isnt a comedic actor, but im sure he could have pulled it off.
Imagine if Andrew Garfield in No Way Home turned out to be some random guy named "Kess McCrack"
yeah man, sheesh.
With his natural accent too
That would have been awesome
Who works as a Spider-Man cosplayer, at Times Square.
hehehe mccrack
It was kind of the move that defined post Endgame Marvel. They were literally building up the early part of the Multiverse Saga, and instead of introducing a small but significant plot thread that they could expand on as much as they wanted later, they used Evan Peters as a dumb joke. Now we're stuck knee deep in a multiverse storyline that feels way to drawn out, but also like it never really started.
Yep, they just became sloppy and they are FAR too obsessed with "mixing it up" by just throwing any idea they can think of out there...
Like it never really started is so spot on
Yeah I’m honestly just confused more than anything when it comes to the recent storylines and where it’s all supposed to be going. This should be the simplest layup in the world but I feel like I’m just watching an Olympic team that’s never practiced together spending the whole game passing back and forth around the perimeter and then one of them randomly dunks on the universe before it’s right back to basics.
@@MisterPeckingOrderit’s very odd that they didn’t use the same multiverse concept for each film. I do remember hearing that America Chavez was supposed to be a similar link but was pushed out of it due to Covid
You nailed it. It really felt like it was the beginning of the multiverse. I thought Wanda's powers were getting so strong and out of control that it pulled her brother from another universe and that would have consequences. With all the incursion stuff we have now it actually would've fit the narrative perfectly. What a waste.
I just hate how they thought they were being clever.
He's playing Molecule Man. Ralph Bohner is a pseudonym.
It's like making a joke that they is clever but no one liked it and instead made everyone mad. Wanda Vision doesn't even come to my just because how they made a fool out me among millions of other. It's just a mediocre Marvel Show among the sea of Mediocrity. For me Loki and Moon Knight will be the best of the Marvel TV
@@nitish.anand99 wandavision was smart when the hadn’t revealed what they were doing. The second its explained the whole show became trash like lost
@@nitish.anand99saying Moon knight is better than Wandavision is insane. Moon Knight is solid but wtf
Right?! They learned nothing from mandarin
I remember when this first happened , we were all pissed😭. We thought this was finna be some big fox x men and mcu avengers cross over but they made it a dick joke. That is insane work
type shi
No-one should ever have been expecting that, there were no signs that was gonna be the case. You fooled yourself on that one.
@@kropianimation1774there were no signs other than the fact that they chose a person whom plays quicksilver in the fox universe to play him in wandas world, all just after fox and marvel finished their deal.
@@kropianimation1774Of course they are when they cast Evan Peters in the role
THANKFULLY Deadpool finaly delovered on that promise
God I was so pumped seeing him in WandaVision. They fumbled it so bad-who the fuck thought what as a good idea??
Kevin Feige
Evan Peters apparently
Director Amy schuff Or whatever the of that btch
The showrunner admitted that she never read comic books. That would explain it.
Dumb broads dei
I just don't think you should sacrifice in-universe logic, for the sake of a joke. They thought they were being meta, but really it just came across as Disney buying Marvel, then making fun of both the property and its fans.
The in-universe logic is fine though.
Agreed, and it could've been such a cool way to introduce the X-Men into the Mcu
@@TheRealGSmithnot really when u think if the fact that how tf and what are the chances this character that looks exactly like a character that’s confirmed to exist within the multiverse now just happened to be used to pretend to be said character . and just be some random guy not even a variant or connection 🤣.
@@JWillSr Where is the other guy, or the right guy then? I'm into Legion that was fun one.
@@Jokervision744 he’s either dead (causs in Deadpool & Wolverine they said that “The Quicksilver” died fighting Cassandra Nova) or Off Grid in Earth-10005 (The X-Men & Deadpool’s Universe) cause we haven’t seen a modern day version of the character yet since that character was a character living in the 80s.
There is a universe out there where the MCU just kept Evan Peters as Quicksilver. what a huge fumble.
I contend that the MCU is that universe. Evan Peters' Quicksilver was displaced from his own universe &, thinking that they'd go after him for being a mutant, changed his name to Ralph Bohner & hid in Westview, where Agatha found out about his abilities & mind controlled him for her own benefit. Until they actually address this in-universe, there's nothing to say it's not canon.
I wonder if in that other Universe the MCU stayed as Strong as it was in the lead up to endgame.
Where there were smart people in the offices going "no, don't do the fans dirty like that, We said this is the Multiverse Saga and we just had a big win for us getting use of all these characters, Let's focus on the things people want instead of pulling random stuff no one was looking for and not make a show about every minor character."
And we got Evan Peters and She-hulk didnt twerk or whine about how she is better at controlling her anger because she has had to face things like catcalls to BRUCE of all people... and then maybe people wouldnt be so polarized on her because they had actual court professionals advise the court Drama show, Falcon and WS didnt have tons of messy rewrites because they were too scared it would sound like the pandemic, maybe there wouod be better communication between Wandavision and Multiverse of Madness so Wandas character didnt take a complete turn to unredeemable psycho town murdering people in other realitoes so she can have the kids she had for 1 week....
@@Dan55888 man the universe you’re describing must be a damn good one because boy do we wish that were the case, either that or it’d be some sort of monkeys paw logic where we get the best and most ideal post-Endgame MCU movies and tv shows for the multiverse saga but somehow it via butterfly effect results in something bad happening like one of the octogenarian presidents during this era reinstating the draft or accidentally launching nukes due to progressive dementia or something, lol.
@@Dan55888 So you want Forced White Male Supremacy and women who are useless shrieking damsels utterly dominated by men.
I remember all the theories about how Quicksilver could possibly make a return and when he did the the internet broke, the possibilities were endless....
Aside from Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, Quicksilver was the very best thing in all of the Fox X-Men movies.
Quicksilver talks fast and runs faster. The character has next to no development and they tried to do the same slow-mo scene in each subsequent movie, each to lesser effect. Why is that better than either of the Magnetos or Xaviers??
@@terminatrix92purely because he was an entertaining character. Not because he was as well acted or written but because of the radiant energy coming from the character. Talks fast, runs faster and his screen time goes faster still. Both magnetos are phenomenal but I can’t say either are as gleefully entertaining as watching quicksilver trolling the rest of the cast and having his slow-moments with some kicker music coming from his sped up Walkman. Those scenes may not be very good narratively but they are dumb fun and at the time we’re absolutely insane.
Tl;dr he’s just a fun character that gets only as much screen time as he needs without necessarily overstaying and his few appearances are always fun.
Don't forget Magneto...both actors were fantastic
What about both versions of Professor X? C'mon man, the fox movies had other great things and characters as well.
@@fuzi5303 In the comix, Quicksilver was not and wasnt supposed to be a 'Fun Character'. For this reason I really preferred Aaron as Quicksilver. I think Evans is a good actor, but not for the role.
Ralph Boner was the first sign that Marvel was going down the drain. Most of us were just too in love with it to notice it.
To be fair, we were off of an insane high only thinking it would get even better from there with actual series lined up with the original cast and all. But nope, it only gradually declined from there and got steeper the farther from Endgame we veered. Loki and GotG 3 basically provided our only reprieves from the all out assualt on us fans.
@@jagfan101 Absolutely true.
They'll never know what your u sacrificed. Yeah but it could have been thousands more if she hadn't put up her own quarantine. Was this the start of justifying some fucked up shit?
@@jagfan101 Not to mention we were starved for content with the lockdown delaying everything and the show did start promising. But they took all the wrong lessons for sure. If anything, the initial success of Wandavision deluded them into thinking we would welcome what was to come. It was too soon for people to realize we should be more worried, but they were too quick to assume they could get away with anything. By the time they realized we had started losing our trust in them it was too late.
Bro it was so trash, I wrote a letter.
One of the worst TV show bait and switches of all time.
Well there was no bait
So there was no switch
@@langreeves6419What are you talking about? The bait was the X-Men version of quicksilver showing up. The switch is him being 'just some asshole'
People thought this was the MCU's entry point into the X-Men universe. What are you not getting about that?
@@langreeves6419 disagree
@@jasonlewis3742 And yet the fans just made all of that up in their heads based on a casting choice.
@@TheRealGSmith that wasnt some random actor they picked out yknow
this was not the only problem with Wandavision by a mile.
past the middle point WandaVision turned into a cliched marvel slop, that's the problem. it even ended with a big cgi battle between 2 people with the exact same powers.
the cleverness of the first 4 episodes was a ruse.
Yep, I don't see it mentioned enough that they made Harkness a goofy "sitcom" villain. The tone was nothing like we've seen from Marvel and WAY out of place in this universe. They did her dirty AND now she has her own damn show on the way! Marvel's misses after Endgame have just piled on. While they weren't perfect at all before EG, it wasn't so widespread...
Absolute garbage. I even remember some higher up said they “needed” to have some big climactic battle because it’s a marvel property and that’s what the fans crave. Stupid, bad instincts.
Exactly. Marvel did such a good job creating a unique, mysterious, and dark (by MCU standards) story but they couldn’t stick the landing. The Agatha plot twist had very limited payoff and the ending lacked the emotional depth and tension the show did such a good job building
Agreed. This is a problem with other Marvel projects too. They have a unique premise or character that’s working, then they nosedive directly into the most uninteresting by the books slop ever. Moon Knoght and Ms Marvel do the same thing
Past the midpoint? The penultimate episode, episode 8, was by far the best episode of the entire series and rightfully garnered Emmy nominations for the writing. Your overall opinion of the show is NOT the critical nor popular consensus.
After Watching Deadpool and Wolverine, I gotta say someone on the Marvel team must really hate Quicksilver. Such a shame.
I’m still off the opinion that Marvel missed their golden ticket for retroactively integrating mutants into the MCU. Having it end with “No more mutants”, and making every movie that came before into a version of history where the mutants were already erased would have given them the ability to tell whatever story they wanted to for mutant origins and not worry about conflict. They could hand wave all the continuity errors as, “yea, but it only played out in that movie that way because Wanda erased the X-men. The *real* history is that they did join the Avengers last stand against Thanos. And Wolverine *really was* in Captain America, the First Avenger, but Wanda had erased him from the timeline.
Or even do it as a TVA thing, perhaps some version of Pietro did get rounded up by them and he slipped out before getting yoinked into that while still in hiding.
You just want the comic line in the MCU like the snap, Why would she say no more mutants?
They were never going to merge the FoX-Men with the MCU, that's moronic
Personally I prefer the Fox X-Men Quicksilver to the MCU one.
I hated the fact that Agatha had the power to SUPER SPEED to someone. That's a huge power buff that will never be addressed again.
So true. You can't just make a quicksilver power set with some charmed beads and act like that's nothing going forward
@@mon_nobi I suspect Agatha didn't give Super Speed to that Quicksilver. More likely once Wanda was deluded into believing it actually was her brother she inadvertently gave him super speed the following day/episode.
I mean she can completely control reality in her cube, it's not wrong to assume her subconscious was doing the work for Agatha.
@@Error-ke1tf honestly that sounds like a good explanation and would have been great had they mentioned something along those lines rather than his powers just disappearing once the beads were removed despite the hex still being up.
It was a magic trick on Wonda... He didn't have super speed he was just a dude.
@@mon_nobi They did you missed it, Wanda snaps out of the magic control and takes him out.
Marvel level of disrespect was insane, I mean you casing Fox Quicksilver actor as Wanda's brother? What do you think people gonna expect? They knew what they were doing: trolling, just like they did with the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, Task Master in Black Widow or even Mysterio in Far From Home.
Yeah this wasn't even a joke it was just straight up trolling they did to us for no reason other than to laugh at the audience knowing we aren't laughing back
How was Mysterio in Far From Home a troll-move?
@@Verebazs yeah I wouldn’t say Mysterio was a troll move only cuz anybody that actually knows who Mysterio is called it before even seeing the movie. Messing with people is the characters entire thing so that gets a pass specifically
@@uchihabomber1296 Exactly, Mysterio is a character built on deception. They tricked the audience with a revelation of "oh yeah, he's more like his comics counterpart. He's a villain lol"
@@SpectacularSpiderFan I agree if anything the casual audience was tricked since I know they mainly watch the movies and don’t know anything else Marvel besides the MCU canon
I contend that Evan Peters IS the FoX-Men Universe Quicksilver who was teleported to the MCU & went into Witness Protection under a different name. It's a missed opportunity if they didn't address this in "Deadpool & Wolverine".
It worked. It gave a Francis type character for the Malcolm in the Middle episode, gave Agatha a way to get Wanda to open up to someone she trusts as much as Vision and made us believe he was really Pietro even though they seem to not have been able to get ATJ again. It also sets up that their magic can’t resurrect people so people don’t demand Wanda bring people back moving forward. I thought it was great. Like I would have loved if that led to Quicksilver being a part of the MCU, his slow motion scenes are some of the best comic book movie sfx scenes out there. There’s also no reason this prevents him from returning with that actor again.
Idk this might just be people ranting but. I heard ATJs wife doesnt want him around Elizabeth Olsen anymore cause apparently since being in a few films together one being a romantic one they seemed to be very close. In interviews hes seen to be looking at her very passionately and his wife didnt like that. There is this thing his wife likes to do and thats be with him on every project and press tour hes in. Stating him going away for 6 weeks for the fall guy was the longest they've been apart out of their 13 year marriage. to me thats not healthy to constantly be around your partner no matter what and let the in laws watch your kids is kind of like controlling. So thats like something ive seen like she doesnt like how close olsen and her husband got when they were filming a couple movies together despite them being married.
The ralph bohner bait and switch was so stupid. left a very gross taste at the end of wandavision, that and the stupid mcu 3rd act last episode.
To me, the Ralph Bohner thing just felt like the creators of the show saying fuck you to people watching the show. It just came across as really spiteful and mean spirited to me
because you are a child
They wasted him THREE TIMES. At this point they don't deserve another chance.
Dark Phoenix is one, and WandaVision is the second. But what's the third? Say what you want of X-Men Apocalypse's quality as a film, but the Sweet Dreams sequence is iconic and his little arc with Magneto being his dad is one of the brightspots of that movie.
@@pepperidgefarm1003I was referring to Age of Ultron. A Speedster killed by bullet is like saying Iron Man got killed with... Plastic!
@@pepperidgefarm1003 Agreed the Sweet Dreams and Time in a Bottle scene was arguably the best part of both X-Men First Class movies
@aksharaghav9657 Make that Four times. Apparently in Deadpool and Wolverine (Spoils by the way)
...Quicksilver was sent to the void and got killed by Cassandra Nova off-screen.
@@BlackBlood297 We don't know which Quicksilver that was though. Could've been Aaron Taylor-Jhonson's.
Yeah. To waste Evan Peters on some "Eff Fox" sidebar of a storyline was annoying af
I really like Evan Peters acting range. Was expecting more quality work for him. He deserved better.
Malcolm in the Middle is a 2000s series. It debuted in 2000.
I mean, it aired just 9 days after 1999. It's not a stretch to assume the aesthetics were 90s-derived, a bit -- sort of a punk feel to the style of Malcolm in the Middle, which certainly saw a lot of love in the 90s.
Lowkey, the Ralph Bohner reveal is when I dropped off watching any Marvel stuff...I desperately want to love the franchise again....
I mean No way home is still there and that did fan service better than most of their multiverse movies
Hope Mcu bring back real quicksilver
The twist might've been a little more well received if the writers didn't use it as an excuse to make a boner joke. That element is what fully crossed the line between "toying with expectations" and "giving a middle finger to the audience."
I never understood what they got out of killing Quicksilver to begin with. And on his first appearance to add insult to injury.
It's called stakes. You know, the thing that gets lost when nobody ever dies or stays dead.
@@TheRealGSmith Yes, because throwing a whole city to destroy Earth wasn't exactly that and the death of a secondary character without any development some extra note to the film.
Nobody was crying over "omg, what was his name died!"
@@TheRealGSmith You seriously that bad of a reader that you think if a minor character doesn't die the story has no stakes?
They were serious they'd have killed Tony, Steve, someone important. This was just a giveaway to pretend he did anything.
@@adrianomoraes5992 I really liked that movie. His death was a surprise. That was the point. And I already had the cool FOX version, so I don't see any problem with that part of the screenplay.
@@TheRealGSmith I thought it was the worst written thing to the life of me. The character was underdeveloped, Al we knew was his tagline "you didn't see it coming?" and killing a speedster with bullets was straight out nonsense.
I guess they killed him because Fox was also using not because of story reasons organic to the script because it adds nothing. Wanda could you go after Ultron anyway just out of all destruction and deaths he caused. At least she got developed later in other movies and a TV show. Quicksilver was completely thrown away. We have at best 10 minutes of such important character in the whole MCU. If they bring Magneto as their father next it is a huge loss and for no justifiable reasons.
Don't kill a character you haven't fully developed and made the most of. Kill him like they did with Tony who had a whole story arc.
Quicksilver being killed off in age of ultron was one of the worst decisions they made in the entire mcu imo
I think they did it because his powers would complicate everything logically in future movies. There are a lot of movies where Superspeed would end the story. For example the bomb at the beginning of Civil War.
@@DarthSoto78 that's incredibly lazy lol, if that's the case then that explains why the mcu keeps getting worse every year
I hope they fix it in Agatha or VisionQuest and Bohner was actually Chaos magic hiding Quicksilver's true identity.
And then Multiverse of Madness squashed the character growth of Wanda, making this whole show kinda pointless.
Honestly, I think WandaVision was supposed to be her villain origin story, but the second half botched it up.
@@StephenKterror Maybe, but as it is, the show presents a character struggling with grief and letting go who learns somewhat how to deal with it while also seeing the pain that her unhealthy coping methods caused others. Then in Multiverse, she goes "screw that, let's do it again but even worse."
I think the way they treated this character and what she went through during this show resonated a little too close to some personal things that were happening in my life at about the same time. To see her go through that and come out a little better was hard to watch then but still somewhat helpful.
Throwing that away all away in Multiverse was tough to see. Wanda went from being relatable to unredeemable, and that wasn't fair to her.
@@StephenKterrorThe show is supposed to depict the five stages of grief. The last of which being, not go on a homicidal rampage, but acceptance.
@@jasonlewis3742 Yes, but they don't go into it fully, due to some contradicting and intentional actions on Wanda's part. They try so hard to make us sympathize with her and make her still a hero at the end of the story, when during her grief process, have hurt, traumatized and threatened many people before she reached her final and accepting stage.
I love the fact that, every single time the MCU pulls out rather clever twists or fake-outs, they become incredibly controversial. Reminds me of when they had that Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3, well executed (they played us after all)... and then fans hated it so much that they literally made a short (All Hail The Kind) just to say "oh yeah, don't worry (sweating) the *real* Mandarin is out somewhere, this was our plan all along ha ha (hysterical laughter)".
This when I knew the whole multiverse was going to be disappointing
The worst thing about this, is that they straight up lied in the subtitles. They described him, in the subtitles, as "the Fox X-Men Version of Quicksilver" or something like that if I remember correctly.
Speaking of Wandavision going through various generations of tv, I always felt they missed a trick not doing an animated intro - the golden era of the likes of the Simpsons, King of the Hill, etc.
Um, they did! The 60s bewitched opening was animated
@@jandm4ever716 I mean based around/spoofing an actual animated show from that era I mentioned, sorry if unclear!
@@thescottishaccent Because its LIVE ACTION. Not cartoons.
@@pontiacw7 So what? Wandavision was a love letter to popular tv of different eras, and no tv programme was as gargantuan as the Simpsons at its peak.
Plus Disney own it, so it wouldn't have been all that outlandish. Hell, Doc Stange zipped briefly through an animated universe, and even one where he was paint, in MoM as well.
And from the perspective of the show itself, an animated intro is no more "out there" than everyone wandering around in black and white for an episode, or a laugh track existing.
It just seems like another case of tv execs not understanding the material they're using
I remember how hyped I was when they showed this. I remember telling all my friends to watch this show so they could get to that scene. Just thinking about it still upsets me lol.
This is the thing that made me fall out of love with the MCU. It had been building for a very long time, it was obvious to anyone that there was a drop in quality with all the standalone non big team up movies by 2021 and in addition to that a shift towards much more humor/cameo focused narratives. However, I thought this show was extremely well done through the first several episodes in an exciting and refreshing way. When they did this reveal and then pulled the rug out, it pretty much solidified everything I disliked about the direction they were going (and still largely have continued) to go. We have a studio now who prioritizes shock value reveals and slapstick comedy over actual storytelling, this is the epitome of that imo
I'm so sick of meta sh*t. Being self aware doesn't make you clever if it's the only story element you use constantly. It's not even a trope. It's a cop out.
Owen Reece is his actual name. AKA Molecule Man
Also wild how at the time it seemed like they felt too good and smart to connect their universe to the hit or miss Fox films and played it for shock value instead, when they've pretty much used those exact Fox characters to gain hype for their movies and shows ever since Multiverse of Madness lol
I liked Wandavision so much but defo agree that Quicksilver's usage was so wrong honestly
It was the era of “subverting expectations,” which is silly when talking about Star Wars, fantasy stories, comic books, etc. Because the expectation IS the medium. Having a larger than life hero, setting that hero with a similarly epic baddie, having them fight it out, or switch places, or make the story epic in some other meaningful way IS why we go to these stories. Anybody can be a regular Bohner, but only one person (or maybe two) can be Quicksilver. We expected epicness, they handed us a silly subversion. It removed the stakes, it didn’t raise them. It didn’t replace those removed stakes with anything higher. It just deflated the story like a fart balloon.
Why do you want the same thing over and over again? Are you already brain dead? Do you not want some stimulation? By not allowing media based of comics and video games to branch out, you're consigning them to mediocrity forever.
By that logic, Darth Vader being Luke's father was a bad idea
lately, if an MCU product leaves you asking “but what does this mean for the world and dynamics moving forward?” remember that the answer is almost always “nothing”
This definitely didn't age well since Marvel ended up bringing back a lot of the legacy actors to reprise their roles in movies like No Way Home and Deadpool 3.
Gutless fanservice.
This aged fine, those were one-off fanservice debuts. Deadpool 3 even offscreened Quicksilver, making it the 3rd time Marvel has screwed him over.
This. This is THE turning point in the MCU. This right here is the start of just bad decision after decisions. Hiring writers that hated the source material and had no real concept of what to do with the characters.
They were under no obligation to do silly stuff like merge the MCU and XCU together due to Wanda
I didnt hate it as much as everyone else, lots of people let that one thing ruin the whole show for them which IMO is stupid. I still think Wandavision remains one of the best post Endgame MCU projects.
I am still really sad we didnt actually get Evan Peters in the MCU, part of me was hoping theyd use it as a way to really start with the multiverse stuff or smth
Meh, It's okay but it doesn't stick the landing with it's ending. Loki is much much better.
That was one of if not the biggest most disgusting bullsht the MCU made so far. And there was already the "mandarin-twist" and the "taskmaster-slaughtering".
Oh god don't get me started on the Mandarin. Fucking disgraceful.
I liked how they used him in Agatha All Along
Tbh, I don't think Homecoming was a repetitive origin story.
Ralph Boner was the person under witness protection the FBI was looking for.
Exactly. His real name was Peter Maximoff, no relation to the other Maximoff family, & he was someone who wasn't in the system, because he was secretly from the FoX-Men Universe. If there's no official lore to contradict this, it's canon.
@@WinterGirlRules Agatha took over his house and took him hostage to pose as Peter to manipulate Wanda. That's the cannon.
@@nickmoney True, but Ralph Bohner isn't his real name, and it never was. That's his cover identity.
@@cobaltwolfknight That's confirmed but not confirmed. Could have been his real name but had a new identity hiding his glory days withholding the headshots away from the FBI.
@@nickmoney He was smirking when heard the name like it was never his.
The story about Ralph Bohner is going to blow everyone’s mind in 2026 probably. Obviously it’s not only a joke thrown away unceremoniously in the middle of Wandavision and now again in Agatha All Along. There’s probably something in the end of the Witch’s Road that allowed Agatha to access the multiverse in a limited way. There will be a Mephisto connection. And definitely Bohner will be revealed to actually be Fox’s Quicksilver.
According to insiders Agatha was supposed to introduce Rama-Tut’s backstory; who is tied to Apocalypse in the comics. Since after Deadpool & Wolverine, it appears the MCU is also keeping the FOX cast. Hence Ralph is probably Peter Maximoff
I don't think Quicksilver has ever been "that" popular in the comics. If anything, for the longest time, he's at best been a macguffin or Chekov's gun. He always tried pleasing Magneto, who always treated him like garbage. In turn he'd get angsty, and blah blah blah. And let's not forget the creepy semi-incestuous relationship the between him and Wanda.
Ralph Boner could’ve been an alias for the Evan Peters’ Quicksilver, who along with the Fox X-Men characters of the alternate timeline were summoned to the MCU as Wanda merged both the MCU and the 2nd Fox Universe, explaining why the TVA was monitoring Deadpool and Wolverine, Patrick Stewart’s Professor X being a member of the Illuminati, as well as introducing the Multiverse concept.
Nice to see Quicksilver again. He was my favourite character in the second wave of X-Men films. But this soon turned into a sneaky bait and switch.
Important to note is something called Stunt Casting. Sitcoms did it ALL the time, even if it made no sense whatsoever. Wandavision looked at the best things about sitcoms, and also the worst. The fact that people got up set about this showed that it worked. The reason they got Evan Peters back as another version of Quicksilver and people thought it was going to be a big deal when it really wasn't showed that they took the Stunt Casting to heart.
Hmmm. I can't imagine why this showed up in my feed tonight.
I get why people had a problem with Fake Pietro, I do. But many people mistakenly thought the whole "Bohner" thing was just a random lame D joke; it was actually a direct reference to the goofy young next door neighbor character Boner in the 80s sitcom Growing Pains where WandaVision director Matt Shakman got his start in business as a kid.
Hell yeah, they owe us another Quicksilver.
…and another Wrecking Crew.
…and another Taskmaster.
They can fix it by bring8ng him back and merely saying Agatha gave him a false identity after pulling him from the void
I don’t even hate that he was used to fool us, I mostly hate that his name is a boner joke.
In Agatha all Along they confirmed Ralph Bohner was just a "random" guy being psycologically tortured by scarlet witch and nothing else
Foxs quicksilver “let me flick bullets out of alignment and completely change their trajectory .”
Mcus quicksilver “let me catch bullets… with my body.”
His X-men version was one of the best characters ever.
WandaVision should’ve done an Office spoof given Randall Park and Evan Peters appeared in both
This aged well
They wasted Evan Peters, and that was the biggest crime of all. This was sort of the beginning of the end for the MCU, honestly.
Ralph Bohner in my opinion was meant to show how vulnerable people are when grieving. Wanda lost everyone and by WANDAVISION EPISODE 5, the show wanted to show Wanda in her bargaining stage, hence Evan Peters. We all know Aaron Taylor Johnson played Pietro so Evan Peters’ Quicksilver appearing should have been a red flag, except Wanda was in her bargaining stage, she was willing to take ANYTHING just to get rid of the pain or suppress it, so she accepted this red herring as it helped lessen the pain. We are human and when grieving, we would do anything just to lessen the pain of grief even if it is something so messed up such as rebounding. It made perfect sense for Wanda to blindly accept this stranger as her brother, and Evan Peters was the only actor who could have pulled off this misdirection as we knew him as Fox’s Quicksilver, so this would NOT have worked with AJT’s Quicksilver. Honestly, I think the Ralph Bohner twist was PERFECT
Right, and it was explained in the show that her real brother was dead. Nothing they can do about that. He's dead. So Agatha used a "Fake Pietro or Fietro" in an attempt to wake up Wanda from her own false reality.
Doesn't recasting your dead brother with a different person who looks just familiar enough for you to accept it work just as well for showing how vulnerable people are when grieving? Like it's not her brother, it's a different person but he could still be Quicksilver to us, the audience. We knew how sad the move was right after he appeared and before it turned out to be Ralph Bohner. So the twist is pretty unnecessary in terms of story themes and morals.
They practically did the same thing in Multiverse of madness when Wanda tried to fill the void of her children with some other version of them. It was (supposed to be) sad for the same reason.
The twist in WandaVision was for her to realize that it's not her brother but a different person who looks kinda similar.
That would still work for the plot but won't cut off any possibilities to expand on Evan Peters's appearance and pull Fox and Marvel universes together. They still have to do it one way or the other and it was very clever and minimalistic way to do so which they pulled back on for some reason.
Man I loved it. It's literally an ideal place to play with expectations. "Don't do it with a beloved character" you don't have expectations for characters you don't care about.... You *only* do it to beloved characters.
Maybe in the "we'll have a reveal trailor for our twist" where you spoil the subversion genre of pop films, sure. It sucks. But literally why watch films and TV if we're afraid of being uncomfortable of feeling something lol afraid of being minimally challenged.
I swear, every time a TV show or film makes people be active viewers, all you get is "this was bad fan service! They just thought they were being clever!!"
No, they thought you would be clever lol
“We wanted to tease fans into thinking we were giving them something they really wanted that would adapt a great storyline and create some intriguing elements and then BAM smack them in the face with ‘ha! You idiots! Nothing matters and we don’t care what you want.’ Much better artistic choice in our opinion.”
-Wandavision showrunners
They were under no obligation to do something silly like have Wanda merge the MCU and XCU together
This was when I stopped being a fan. I didn't choose to stop. I can remember the deflation I felt. I knew it was an executive decision made at the last minute and it was a clear indicator that whatever I thought was supposed to happen wasn't a mystery, it was considered. It was just denied, horribly. Ralph Boehner ended up being the straw that broke the camels back, who knew?
Sounds like you weren't much of a fan to start with
I feel like the MCU killed Pietro because his powers would complicate everything logically in future movies, with people constantly asking why Quicksilver didnt just do this or that. Why even put him in in the first place, then? Just for Wanda?
The logic of their explanation makes sense, but I think they were really underestimating how much their fans would also be fans of the X-Men Quicksilver. Which is a silly thing to underestimate. It would follow that fans of Marvel movies also like the X-Men movies.
Evan Peter's is the fr Quicksilver
In the comics Quicksilver is this mutant what does chip on his shoulder, that hates his father Magneto. He's not the guy in the X-Men movies. That's actually the Flash.
Bring him back as quicksilver!!!
The thing with people thinking Wandavision would still be a house of M adaptation by episode 7 is that if they had watched the show they’d know that just wasn’t the case from episode 1
As if the Ralph Bohner cop out wasn't bad enough, its even worse now that in Deadpool and Wolverine, Quicksilver died off screen in the void fighting against Cassandra Nova. Which means we'll never get to see Evan Peter's Quicksilver portrayed in the MCU ever, not even in Avengers: Secret Wars 😭😡
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I still think that Marvel had a big plan of treating its 2021 releases as Multiversal fake-outs in order to build up No Way Home. If you consider that Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness was supposed to be released a month after Wandavision, then it checks.
- Wandavision: "Hey look, they have Fox's Quicksilver as the new Pietro. The Multiverse is real!" except, no, he was a totally unrelated character. Sorry, the multiverse is still closed
- Doctor Strange 2: "This movie is going to open up to the Multiverse. Look, Patrick Stewart is in there!" except that he only played a variant of Professor X, and the movie itself barely played with the whole Multiverse thing (the other variants were just MCU characters in alternate fashion after all)
- Loki: "they are definitely going to bring in the Multiverse this time!" except no, this show is barely tied to what was going on in the larger MCU at that time
Then, after months of frustrating teases that led to nowhere, the show What If would prove that, yes, a Multiverse is here, but still confined within the MCU. Afterwards, late into that year, we get No Way Home... and we finally see what we expected the whole year, with the Spiderverse full in action.
I watched WandaVision almost religiously while it was on, and ordered the disc set as soon as it was available. I'm a MAJOR fan of the show! And guess what? I thought the Ralph Bohner subplot was sheer genius! Yes, it played with the expectations of the fans (including me), but I realized immediately that this was just another fakeout from the producers of the show. So I decided to just enjoy the character and see what happened to him. Yes, I was surprised by the outcome, but knew it HAD to be something along those lines. I was less thrilled when Bohner showed up in Agatha All Along, mostly because he had become what looked like a conspiracy theorist, which clashed with the personality he showed towards the end of WnadaVision
I hate how every time I see this name I chuckle, even though I fucking hate the context of it.
Hehe bonner
I thought the revelation of Ralph Bonner was going to lead to something else where he really was Quicksilver but I guess that’s not happening anytime soon.
It was still fun to speculate at the time. Even though it didn’t pan out into anything worthwhile. Man that years was a big year for Evan peters.
I don’t understand why Marvel fans keep complaining about things not being “comic book accurate” when these movies and tv shows have NEVER been comic book accurate. All of the creatives and cast members have stated that they are telling new stories with new versions of the characters. If you want the comic book stories then just buy the comic books and read them.
The showrunner writer didn't realize how popular and beloved Fox's Quicksilver was so they decided to make him a dick joke. 🙄
Wanda Vision was pretty good. It was a crazy moment to see Evan Peter's reprise his role as Quick Silver. Even tho he wasn't technically Quick Silver 😂 I went crazy when I saw him appear for the 1st time 🎉
It was clear that this was a grudge against Fox for pulling of a better and popular Quicksilver than the MCU... It was childish and petty... They can sugarcoat it as much they want, they were just bitter.... Bcz this doesn't make sense otherwise...
the worst of it all is they actually had an opportunity to bring back aaron without resurrecting quicksilver but opted out in favor of fan service
gambit and quicksilver teammate in new movie, lets go
Ngl and not overselling it but that Quicksilver BS was where the after Endgame MCU hangover started.
I'm in the minority that hated wandavision. Felt like it was all setup for doctor strange two while indulging itself in parodying tv shows
In the minority, but not alone. It had some clever gimmicks that ran out by the halfway point, and the ending soured the whole thing.
I don’t hate it, but it definitely fell off near the end. In comparison to typical MCU (especially the TV shows), it might as well be breaking bad, but when compared with real TV it becomes pretty obvious it’s not anything special
The guy who made that dr strange movie said he never watched the shoe
Never quite getting his big moment? Uhm what? Breaking out magneto? Saving the whole school? Wtf you talking about
This reveal was what knocked me out of the MCU. Haven't bought a ticket or queued up a show since.
There’s surprising the audience and then there’s *insulting* the audience.
Imagine at the end of wandavision Wanda casted house of M on the entire world. The mutant race would be born. Then at the end of multiverse of madness she casted no more mutants, than only a small minority of mutants kept their powers, and thats why they are hated.
My question is, why didnt they just get Aaron? I get that its supposed ro be comedic and aaron taylor really isnt a comedic actor, but im sure he could have pulled it off.
Quicksilver is a great character
Feige can still easily say "multiverse magic" and reawake quicksilver
I don't believe Marvel themselves know.