I knew my opinion would be unlike the majority :3 But this is how Im understanding the power of Ichigo. I have taken many things in consideration - even the situation of the manga at its end - of course if you have watched the whole video You will know what Im talking about ! But at least I gave you another vesion of the topic ! evantually the only one who could gave us a satisfactory answer is kubo himself. I wish he could do that in a interview or in the upoming season of the anime !
I would like to offer at least 2 counter arguments: 1 Even though Ichigo had access to full power (without an asauchi I might add, which means he his transformations until his RG training were less power boosts and more limit releases) in the Deicide arc he only learnt to control the output of his power in fullbring meaning when he was basically passively fighting Aizen with no control over his Reiatsu output, which was basically overflowing like a dam thats about to burst, unlike his fight against Yhwach, when he was actively trying to control said power [and bring up the Askin fight it's basically no different from the time Nanana knocked out Aizen (who even though he was sealed up was stronger than his Deicide form) for five minutes, hax Quincy abilities overwriting massive raw power even Oetsu was affected by the poison] 2 the fact that both sleeves of Shihakusho in his EoS hollow Bankai are ripped unlike the Dangai state (indicating that his using more power than his Dangai state) and the chains of his Bankai wrapping around the Zanpakuto itself are longer than one wrapping around the arm's (the length of the chains determine the amount of power his able to use)
So my questions r the first captain of the 13; why him to be captain? Can Ichigo become someone's zapankto (his power)? Does saying banki really mean it's a banki; Yamamoto never says shikai nd I think some do say this b/c some swords can't stay shikai cuz of change? Can anybody alter their sword to become stronger? Do all zapanktos have male female spirits? Are female spirits the strongest zapanktos?(thinking about ichbay, squad 0) Is spiritual pressure all that matters to create a powerful zapankto or be a powerful character in bleach?
I like to point you to Clyde's and SethTheProgrammer vides covering this. Plus it's stated in the manga it self that Dangai Ichigo is weaker then true zanpakuto ichigo. and if you look at it from a calcing point of view True Zanpakuto Ichigo is stronger just by the numbers. Clyde: ruclips.net/channel/UCqCl8NICKSjAq-prcj22BqA How Strong WAS Soul Society Ichigo?: ruclips.net/video/xHAf-IJWyLI/видео.html Shinigami Ichigo Is Overpowered: ruclips.net/video/6NUywBgkwc4/видео.html How Strong WAS Vasto Lorde Ichigo?:ruclips.net/video/5VnyRqGy2NQ/видео.html Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo Is WAY Stronger Than You Think.:ruclips.net/video/0FZ6qQUc0vk/видео.html SethTheProgrammer: ruclips.net/channel/UC4iqkyPSa-7ZotVE74ZN7lw Why Ichigo Kurosaki Is Stronger Than People Think: ruclips.net/video/jkeJbi9uL8s/видео.html Could Ichigo Beat All The Akatsuki?:ruclips.net/video/FpKQkxj8xwU/видео.html Naruto VS Ichigo Debunked: ruclips.net/video/syrkUUrHs_E/видео.html
ywach said ichigo gained the power he fought against aizen and ywach was way stronger then aizen at that time and ichigo only got stronger to keep par tier with new aizen
Ichigo is my favorite character in all of shonen jump he just has a decent personality and doesn't want to achieve something big like Hokage or king of the pirates. Throughout the series he was the most relatable character in shonen jump for me.
Yeah he's the most realistic Shonen protag and doesn't need a generic "Goku" like personality in order to be interesting. Also has the best design on better transformations out of any of the others in my opinion.
@@KurotsuchiShiShi And to top it off, is still crazy powerful. Maybe Ichigo is why a fair bit of current Shounen protag's are now more down to earth and relatable.
Yea, sure you could say that he's privileged with his background but he had to work for them and he doesn't have anything grand as a goal. He simply overcomes whatever problem in front of him because he needed to. His conversation with ulquiorra was the evidence. He didn't fight because he can win, he fights because he has to win
Luffy: I want to be Pirate King Naruto: I want to be Hokage Izuku: I want to be The Greatest Hero Asta: I want to be Wizard King Ichigo: ............I just want a normal live.
Naruto wanted a normal life too. That was the reason he needed to become Hokage. The village treated him like he didnt exist and hated him. Thats not a normal life. Thats why he wanted to be Hokage. So that could syop and he could finally live normally amongst the village and be respected like everyone else.
Oreo *Ex-RWBY Hater* he still wanted to be a kage though. That’s a high rank just like pirate king,wizard king,strongest hero etc. ichigo never wanted to be head captain he’s not cliche like naruto
@@rushpatriot2866 yeah because that was the stepping stone to a normal life...im reality Naruto never wanted to be hokage. What he really wanted was just acceptance but it just so happened that in order to do that, he needed to be hokage. But it was never about being hokage in the first place. What i just said is alot deeler than anything with ichigo. Especially since ichigo is a mary sue character.
Personally Ichigo has inspired me alot. Made me change my shitty and depressed life. Also his CHARACTER is so much more relatable then other MC'S . He is very BALANCED MC in shonen. Respect Ichigo.
@Sam Ros name one asspull all of his forms were foreshadowed and later explained unlike Naruto getting sage of six path out of nowhere. You're not that smart to see it lol😂
kushagra sharma Dude he literally only beat aizen because he did 3 years of training inside his fucking Mind that somehow was only a few minutes in real time that then carried over from his mind
Here's my understanding of Ichigo's powers: According to every statement about zanpakuto, including O Etsu's, the ability to utilize the full power of a shinigami is to both know the name and understand the nature of that power and having an Asauchi as a conduit. Ichigo only knows the name of his sword and only understands part of its nature when he learns the Final Getsuga. Using the technique allowed him to use the unrestricted power of his sword in one attack although his body was not ready to use that power, even after Zangetsu submitted and being in the Dangai aged him. This is why the ability costs the user their powers. When Ichigo lost his powers he went into a near death state and his powers became dormant (according to Rukia). I assume this is to keep the body and spirit alive after breaking them, because utilizing the Reiryoku of many captain level shinigami was able to reawaken his powers. The power that was reawakened wasn't the same as his bankai though, it was more close to his hollow mask enhanced bankai powers. Why would I say this? Before Ichigo completes his Fullbring Tsukishima says that he is close to his regaining the power he had but when Ginjo takes the Fullbring and Rukia reawakens his powers and she says that the power taken was only a small fraction of the power Ichigo had. Now knowing more of himself (part of his hollow power origins) Ichigo is able to fight at a higher level. He starts the Thousand Year Blood War with power comparable if not much greater than his Masked form, which is why we don't see it come out while fighting Yhwach, despite Ichigo being in danger of dying. At that point in the story Ichigo can already kill Quincy in their Volstandig, which is even a challenge for captains, using Bankai. THEN Ichigo goes to the palace, his body/spirit becomes stronger from the springs and food and environment in that realm, he obtains an Asauchi and learns the nature of his sword, and he shows that even with his suppressed Shikai powers are strong enough to beat Quincy in Volstandig. THEN he approaches Yhwach with his powers slowly reawakening and Yhwach says he regained the power he used to defeat Aizen before but this time he thinks he got stronger, but corrects himself and says this is his true power. What Yhwach is referring to is the unrestricted and unevolved powers that were used by the Final Getsuga. Yhwach is amused and doesn't even use his full power to combat it at first. When that power fully awakens and Ichigo gets a horn Yhwach says he can't afford to make any mistakes. When Ichigo used his bankai Yhwach's entire demeanor changes and he instantly breaks it to prevent it from ever having the chance to be used. This is the strongest version of Ichigo. When he actually defeats Yhwach he hasn't been able to fully awaken his power again because he is weak from Yhwach stealing his power and breaking his sword. He doesn't regain his full power again until the novels after the end of the arc, which are years before the last chapter.
Yes, it was said that after ichigo killed yhwach he regained those powers that yhwach had stolen from him. Which would makes sense because those powers arent his. They just made him more power and since they aren't his, the powers went back to its rightful owner (ichigo). His true shikai was at the level of mugetsu and his body accepts it, well his soul. Then the horm pops up, which then yhwach has to take him seriously with that statement of him not affording to lose any mistakes. After he went bankai he instantly destroyed it which signifies that his true bankai on top on his horn is truly godly. It was stated by the soul king himself (which was yhwach at the time ) that he reigned those powers and evolution of mugetsu. Which is crazy because that's just his true shikai.
lol you omit certain key story factors to make your opinion make sense when it really doesn't, why yhwach demeanor changed it was because of his dream of Ichigo beating him, when ichigo released his state yhwach saw a glimpse of the future, you say Ichigo could beat quincy volstandig in the first invasion before the soul palace training again false as Ichigo could not even touch kirge the jailer so again a false statement as you state ichigo could beat volstandig at the start of the TYBW he had literally no 1 on 1 fights with any quincy at any point during the arc except against Yhawch, yes ichigo after fullbring was much stronger in bankai but please don't go as far as he could demolish volstandig as he's only 2 interactions with volstandig where with kirge and Candice both who where beaten by others, I feel people forget that kubo went towards a more creative solution to fights where powers really had nothing to do with it except for 4 fights (zaraki vs gremy, rukia vs as nodt, renji vs mask de masculine, Yamamoto vs yhwach) the other fights where heavily based on creative ways to conclude fights rather than solely relying on reiatsu and power, the arrancer war was power focused this arc was not based on power but more of how each captain could utilise their techniques against a overwhelming enemy , as kubo made it a point to show you kirge absolutely demolishing allon a creature who is still alive after being supposedly killed by Yamamoto to show you the terror of the quincy, but thats of topic, my point is you cannot have a accurate understanding on ichigo vs the quincy not yhwach as their are no fights you can accurately base your opinion on, considering ichigo had limited interaction with the vandereich, which is a shame as I would loved to have seen a proper fight between ichigo and kirge.
Not to mention when ichigo first described getsugatensho, he said zangetsu absorbs his reiatsu and amplifies it. So the final getsugatensho were ichigo becomes getsuga himself sounds like zangetsu takes every ounce of ichigo's reiatsu and amplifies it. Which makes since that this form is stronger. Also if u take into account like Urahara says a revolver can be fired 6 times a missile once. That form was ichigo's missle.
ywach did indeed state ichigo had grown beyond the final getsuga tenshou, specifically. but regular post asauchi shikai ichigo is not more power than post dangai. This is why ywach had to immediately break his bankai. He saw a loss.
Actually, I have a theory on Vasto Lorde Ichigo's transformation. I think Ichigo did die actually, quincies are living beings, therefore his Quincy powers were gone, but only momentarily, his hollow took over, and when the mask broke, there is this weird blue thing that fills Ichigo's hole, BLUE is the color of quincies. That's pretty much it.
But Ichigo is unique. Normally Hollows and Quincy cannot interact under any circumstances. And yet there is Ichigo a Quincy Hollow hybrid with the powers of a Shinigami. An impossible being made possible. The rules may not apply to him.
I agree with you hope the fight is not only changed noted ( kinda wish he'd kept that has his ultimate form or ultimately evolution with his zanp. 👍 Like you said all 5 of his 🔋 power's mergerd into 1.
The final getsuga tenshou is actually the first time ichigos powers were unshackled by the old man however it still isn’t as strong as the true shikai and bankai ichigo. Reason being is dat the final getsuga tenshou is leggit a getsuga tenshou fired using every drop of his power however this was without an asuichi. Notice how when he did the attack he had no sword this was because by dat point ichigos sword was made from his own spiritual pressure. Though because of the way the final getsuga works the energy from the sword was also used in the attack and as a result it disappeared. I’m saying that essentially even though ichigo had unleashed all of his power he didn’t have a complete or proper zanpaktou to properly manifest his power like the other soul reapers. Plus by dat point in the story ichigo still didn’t really know zangetsu or himself either and as we know soul reapers grow stronger when they converse with their zanpaktou and learn about each other which he actually did in the thousand year blood war arc. Also as ya said the old man stopped holding ichigo back when he let him use the final getsuga tenshou but if dats the case why would it be any stronger than how he is in the thousand year blood war were the old man did the same thing except now ichigo has not only a better relationship with the two zangetsus but also a proper zanpaktou as well. In short mugestsu ichigo was ichigo with his full power unleashed however he was with a shotty sword and a less than honest relationship with zangetsu who as you stated was still wanting him to not be a soul reaper at that time and likely agreed with ichigos wish because it would help his secret goal of making ichigo live as a human, and the tybw ichigo is him at full power with a proper sword a good relationship with the zangetsus a new complete hollow form and bankai which both add on to his strength.
On that note, the FGT relates quite strongly to Ichigo's quincy heritage - with his own aura being visible, and his blade being pure spirit energy. Yes his True Shikai and Bankai are his most powerful forms, but if he trained his full quincy abilities, he'd likely attain the form we see created by Kubo for Bleach Brave Souls - New Year's Ichigo (Quincy Uniform). That would be his strongest form, since it utilises his full power range.
I agree with almost everything you said except the hollow form being complete since when Ichigo did the getsuga tensho grand rey cero he says he is still not use to this power and hasn't mastered it yet which would explain why there is only 1 horn and no mask and his destructive capabilities felt underwhelming to say the least He may also be referring to the blunt vein technique of the Quincy powers as well But honestly felt like this version of his hollow form wasn't as strong as the full hollow vs ulquiora
On the subject of his sword being energy, Ichigo is part Quincy and so is his power, so when 100% of his power released, his final form and final weapon would be s combination of characteristics of the 2. Quincies use energy weapons primarily and Shinigami use Zanpakuto. So the true 100% released form of Zangetsu could well be a combination of the 2, an energy Zanpakuto, or. Helig Sword? Also there was that time early on in Bleach where Ichigo explained how Zangetsu worked, by gathering his reiatsu, compressing it, then releasing it in a powerful slash, and it was very reminiscent of how Uryu describe his Quincy power to work, the only difference being Uryu gathers energy from outside, compresses and releases, while Ichigo gathers power from within himself. This is to say, Zangetsu is partly both a Zanpakuto AND Ichigo's version of a Helig Bow (or energy weapons). So it's fully released and realized form may reflect this combination, the physical form of the sword becoming more of an energy weapon but still having it's Zanpakuto characteristics. Which is what final getsuga looks like. Looking aesthetically at his Final Getsuga, it's basically a mixture of Bankai and Letz Stil. Now imagine if Final Getsuga was both pulling energy outside AND inside him together, compressing it, and then releasing it, which is in line for it to be doing? That really explains how stupidly powerful the attack was. And I don't know for certain, but given that it was partly a Letz Stil, he should have lost his Quincy powers as well, which is why Old Man didn't teach it to him, because he'd lose his hollow powers yes, but also lose his Quincy powers to, meaning both White Ichigo AND old man would disappear and old man would no longer be able to look over him. So old man teaching it to him was grudging, more of a compromise. "I'm only doing this and severing my connection to you in the hopes that because it also severs your connection to your hollow/shinigami powers, you'll stop fighting and won't need my guidance anymore." By that reasoning Final Getsuga really should be the strongest technique and form of Ichigo in the series, that we saw. But it doesn't rule out that he could have later learned a perfected version of it with an actual asauchi.
This is wrong. Ichigo with FGT has basically fused with his zanpakuto, the highest level of mastery over one's weapon, as Aizen himself stated. Ichigo never reached that level of power again in the series.
What I say about that debate every time it comes up is that the Final Getsuga Tenso is the whole point of the final Arc "The blade is me" even if you don't count the quincy powers. In his new bankai he finally learned to control his Shinigamy/Hollow sides balancing them and becoming maybe comparable to Final Getsuga in total energy but not the same as back then he released used all his energy at once. Maybe if he used the final Getsuga in the final Arc he might have been more powerful than the last time.
@@Mars-td7pb I've been a fan for years and I've watched the Anime and read the manga and watched interviews with the creators. Its actually form Mugetsu and technique The Final Getsuga Tensho. I mean not just factually but in thought why go all this time calling it Getsuga Tensho to Mugetsu. Look up the transmissions of the names Mugetsu etc and you can thank me later. I'm right by the way.
Cmiiw.... Aizen said that he's a fourth dimensional being that's why shinigami can't feel his reiatsu if he didn't allowed them to.... it's confirmed by Isshin, he was a little bit shocked when ichigo was able to sense aizen reiatsu yet lead him to believe that ichigo could defeat aizen if he trains his technique in the dangai..... so perhaps the butterfly aizen couldn't sense ichigo's reiatsu is because ichigo's reach the evolution of transcendent 5th dimensional being
Swim told me that dangai/mugetsu ichigo = zagetsu (young ywach) fused w/ichigo and doesn’t not include a fusion with his “hollow side” and is therefore only half of his full potential. And this is confirmed when zangetsu admits he was holding ichigo back, and ichigo realizes his “hollow side” is really his true zanpakuto, and “zangetsu” is really a young version of ywach (aka Quincy power). The fusion of both these powers is the half horn ichigo or “true bankai”. This is what swim said lol.
It’s pretty obvious that ichigo true bankai hollow horn ichigo is stronger than ichigos mugetsu, it’s stated the true shikai is relative to mugetsu by yhwach or his statement which is you have gained the power in which you used to defeat aizen (mugetsu), this is very specific meaning he knows he achieved a much more convienient form than mugetsu but is relative to. Another supporting point is aizen was stated to be stronger aswell. Ichigo generally became stronger than his previous version aswell meaning he has a lot more spirit energy compared to the previous arcs. Ichigo in mugetsu was also burnt by Aizens fragor and we know aizen has became stronger per statement so saying mugetsu is the most powerful form for ichigo is silly as why would aizen become more powerful and ichigo still be weaker than mugetsu. And again the name True in his new form implies it’s a higher level of being than mugetsu. It is likely mugetsu can be used again in his new current stronger form it would be on a completely different level. Essentially if true shikai is equivalent to mugetsu as stated by yhwach who is literally all seeing then his bankai is x10 stronger on top with his hollow horn multipliers which are currently unknown. He far surpasses mugetsu.
Yeah, True Shikai is above Dangai. God knows how deadly his true bankai was. Let's hope that bleach continues for so long that Kazui shows us what it was truly capable of
This again? that was NEVER stated at all. What Yhwach said is that Ichigo got his powers back(Shinigami powers back), it is very clear that Ichigo True Shikai is far below Dangai...
Vinzenz Stein Ferrari Freitas “Increasing your own power so that you could defeat sosuke aizen, and then once again reclaimed the power the power to defeat sosuke aizen which you had lost by cutting down the spirit king before my eyes” Chapter- Fall of the soul King
Russian Union “Increasing your own power so that you could defeat sosuke aizen, and then once again reclaimed the power the power to defeat sosuke aizen which you had lost by cutting down the spirit king before my eyes” Chapter- Fall of the soul King and you are talking about a statement that was said later on.
Based on the cant fear your own world novel it said the soul king was a hybrid being of all races just like Ichigo. Not only that but Ichigo was considered a threat because of his potential power which never made sense to me. Perhaps being a hybrid Ichigo had dormant soul king powers that he could have unlocked and that's what made him a huge threat. Maybe his Mugetsu form was a glimpse of what his soul king form and power would have been like. Imagine how awesome that would have been. Ichigo unlocks those abilities and is able to fight Yhwach on even terms. Instead of the one sided beat down which ended with the bleach equivalent of dorothy gale's house being dropped on the villain.
Actually it was the Inuyasha express arrow. According to CFYOW hybrid beings are the only one's able to replace the Soul King, which includes the natural hybrids of Kugo and Ichigo, and Hikone (a manufactured hybrid). Ichigo is likely the closest to the Soul King/Yhwach. The Soul King's personality was hinted at being similar (in the case of fighting for loved one's) to Ichigo himself.
@@Cabolt44 nope you have to be a hybrid because they are able to become transcendent beings as long as you can be a transcendent you meet a requirement for being the soul king
@@naraydaniels7832 not anymore he was turned back transcendent beings are hybrid of 3 or more races aizen is only shinigami ginjo is shinigami fullbring and hollow so that's why he's a candidate but aizen isn't
For me the Dangai is the ultimate version of him , because in this form ichigo has achieved the final form ( when the sword merged with the users , nobody can do that only dangai ichigo and aizen hogyuku but at one moment the hogyuku had Think kyoka suigetsu was useless ) moreover kyoraku say aizen his more powerfull than before but kyoraku doesn’t know how strong was aizen at this moment because he was on the floor in fake kyoraku when the ultimate ichigo fought with the ultimate version of Aizen ( at this moment Knew that no one can stop him to kill the Spirit king and division 0 )
Dangai Ichigo would have wiped the floor with all the sternritters except the ones with broken powers and given a lot of trouble to Yhwach (can't say how much because of Yhwach's broken powers). It was so frustrating that he just cracked his sword like a stick twice. I agree with you, the ending was very very hurried.
Sry for the late reply the Ending was rushed because Jump said so Kubo wanted to but Bleach for an 1 year Hiatus but Jump said finish the story in 5 chapters that's the reason wh, the Ending was so rushed
A problem with this might be the fact that Ichigo's zanpakuto isn't in its proper form when it mugetsu form, it seems that it might have still had some power held back. I do think Mugetsu might be the most powerful technique that Ichigo has but maybe not the most powerful it COULD be at that time.
I'm glad you keep repeating "in my opinion" because this shows your weren't connecting the dots kubo laid out. This definitely wasn't his strongest form. At all.
Lil Marco it wasnt mugestu it was dangai two different beings in two different dimensions example of this dangai ichigo still had his sword while final gestuga didnt have one he basically became on with his sword and example of this would be aizen hes now stronger than he was because he became one with his sword another example is ichigo forming a sword out of nowhere so what im trying to say is final gestuga is the final stage of his power the only reason why he lost it because his body is way too weak to control his power but hey it can go deeper remember that his final bankai had a long chain now imagine him breaking it off and wrapping it around his hand going dangai
@Lil Marco Ywach never said that TS surpassed mugetsu ichigo, and i read the manga.... Literally the scan you're trying to say is literally in the video
The BBS Form is known in game as New Year's Ichigo. The fans call him Quincy Ichigo, and yes he would be the most powerful form of Ichigo. Fullbring Bankai was actually a more amped version of Ichigo with his mask (the fullbring merged with his new Shinigami powers = fullbring + hollow + shinigami power). By the end of the Fake Karakura arc, Ichigo's masked form was amped up to at least his Vasto Lorde form, but his mental state limited his power. True Shikai was stated by Yhwach to be equal to the powers he used against Hogyoku Fused Aizen. This must mean that True Shikai = Dangai/FGT Ichigo. HOS True Shikai > FGT, and his True Bankai (without HOS) > HOS True Shikai.
Loved the video! The only thing that confused me about mugetsu Ichigo and final form Aizen is the different dimension shit. I don't understand if it's power level or their being itself that transcends. Because if it's just power level, I don't understand why in the final arc if they are stronger they are never a different dimension in strength compared with the rest
It's not power levels. It's the amount and type of spiritual power. Aizen was just awakening his hollow powers into his shinigami ones. Ichigo was doing the same but as well as Quincy (but we didn't know that). He was just on a higher tier at that point and time.
I think dimensions referred to power types a being has. i.e. Quincy, Shinigami, Fullbring, Hollow. When Aizen & Urahara were conducting experiments, Shinigami potential would be just a bankai, but if you added other power dimensions, your powers could be somewhat 'limitless'.
Mugetsu/FinalGetsuga was Ichigo uknownly using a hybrid version of Letzstil essentially: which indeed makes it his most powerful attack, but not his most powerful form. the difference between Ichigo when he fought Aizen and when he fought Yhwach was the same as that of the Letzstil and Vollstandig. so it may as well still be Mugetsu=TrueShikai...
Hey man you honestly have great pronunciation especially considering it’s not your native tongue! You don’t have to apologize every video. You make amazing content btw thank you for the vids❤️
Wow, that's all I can say!! Your points are valid because I never looked at it that way or even thought about it till I saw your video. Kubo done a great job foretelling the future of Ichigo bankai and how powerful it can really be if he is giving the opportunity to unlock all of his power. The final form of getsuga tensho is Ichigo power, fully unlock. The only thing that I may add is that at that time Ichigo was fighting with an incomplete sword so in a sense his powers was unleash but the old men Zangetsu was still holding him back because he never told Ichigo the truth. Now hollow Ichigo on the other hand has told him that he is Zangetsu and that him and the old men are the source of his power but Ichigo didn't understand or maybe because he had this deep hatred for the hollow Ichigo that he didn't believe him.
I don't think Ichigo hated Zangetsu (White Ichigo) at all. I think he was just afraid of what he represented. However Ichigo has never really hated anyone, and eventually accepts who he is in the end. Looking back at the series, I am always reminded of what Kenny said: "someone so strong, how can you not love to battle!?" and that sums up Ichigo pretty well. Ichigo protects, sure, but he's also eager to test his skills against strong opponents. Perhaps it's the Soul King hybridity coming out of him, but Ichigo is just as battle hungry as one's like Kenny and Grimmjow. He'd just never admit.
Hello, i'm a Belgian, so my Anglish can seem a little strange, sorry for that. I follow your video and i like your content, this time, i will try discus with you because i totaly like this manga, universe and topics like yours. I have my opinion on that topic, but your video make my complete certain points from my initial idea or change my vision from it. I think too Mugetsu mode is one of the strongest mode of Ichigo, so, in the fake Karakura arc, for me, Ichigo reach the pinacle of combined powers born from the mixe of Quincy and Hollow ones. Not Shinigami's. For some reason, i ever thinked the abilities of Ichigo until he going to the Zanpakuto blacksmith, after he lose the power acquired from Rukia in the first tome are just a cohabitation of Quincy and Hollow powers, because he haven't Asauchi, he emulate for some sort manner a true Zanpakuto. That emulation was old guy, Zangetsu. But, Hollow coexist in the Ichigo's soul, the White Ichigo represent this power. If Ichigo was able to use the two at the same time, i think a soul suicide will be occur or, is body isen't able to endure it and explode like the Gremmy's one unable to imagine the strong body of Kenpachi to contain all is Reaitsu. When Ichigo use Mugetsu the first time, the two power merge and the technique destroy all is Reaitsu. But, a the end, in the new Zanpakuto state, is Reaitsu is more powerfull, but i think, less than Mugetsu mode. If Ichigo was able to use is new Bankai, with is level of Reaitsu in the Warwelt arc, i suppose Mugetsu mode can be use another time... What do you think about it ? So, thank for your cool vid'z
Gran vídeo hablas con toda la verdad simo san dangai ichigo es la culminación de estos 2 en un solo ser no solo cuenta con el poder propio de este ya que es la unificación de ichigo y white tenza zangetsu Ichigo true shikai es el poder que ichigo debía tener desde el inicio sabiendo controlar su poderes mas plus del fullbring en mi opinión el true bankai representa al ichigo bankai hollowfication debido ya que zangetsu hollow representa a isshin y zangetsu juha bach representa a masaki a propia decisión de ichigo es natural que true zangetsu representa a ichigo por lo el hecho de lo que representan eso poderes para el lo cual yo considero lógico ya que maestro tite siempre hace las cosas con un significado profundo hacia estas cosas.
I think some other youtuber had calculated how much power ichigo actually used when he unlocked the dangai. He said ichigo unlocked 0.014 when he did. Also they said the last form ichigo had wasn't even close to his actual potential but a fraction. If im correct. I dont really read the manga
In my opinion the final getsuga tenshou is extremely similar to the quincy technique we saw uryuu used against mayuri in the soul society arc (the sanrei glove).
I think there's no secret to final getsuga tenshou technique everything it holds was shown Final Getsuga Tenshou = Realising users true potential in price of losing all of it. Edit: if you remember in the end of chapter 684, one swing from ichigo's bankai was enough to kill soul king yhwach.
Bleach unmasked 3 states. The final getsuga tensho a state where the user literally becomes zangetsu himself although it has a power that surpasses everything in the verse the downside is that the user loses their spirit powers.
It is the strongest transformation. It's his ascendant state where he's one with his zanpakuto, it's conceptually beyond Bankai. The thing is, people argue that his FGT during Deicide is his peak, which is just wrong for so many reasons. That's his base form, without an asauchi. The Reiokyuu buff was insane because it gave Ichigo an actual Shikai and Bankai. His TYBW self is his strongest incarnation, but that version of him tapping into FGT would obviously be the strongest he can be.
Even with this evidences, people still think Aizen's statement that Mugetsu was in another dimension than Aizen himself is a hyperbole lmao, it's right in front of your faces that Mugetsu is in the fourth dimension aka 4D.
I don't think anyone thinks it was hyperbole. It's obvious that Aizen was outmatched. It doesn't really mean Ichigo was at his strongest point in the story though. Kenpachi achieves the same feat where his power isn't sensed right before his fight with Gremmy.
Saying hes above shinigami and hollow and was on a higher dimension to them *SIMILAR* to how a 4th dimensjonal beimg is above a 3rd dimensional being isnt saying that your 4D. Its saying just what he said. Hes above hollow and shinigami....like your actually *blatantly* lying. Nowhere was it said or did he say he was 4D but what he DID say was hes above hollow and shinigami in a similar fashion. Discussions are cool but when you become a liar, its a whole nother thing and takes the fun completely out. Show me the manga lage where he says hes 4D. Till then till im gone cause this is too toxic. You got the fanbase lying to there own community 🤦♂️
@@oreoex-rwbyhater599 Lmao you are the one who is toxic here, re read the manga and come back, smartass. Aizen one shotted the kototsu (administer of space and time in the dangai world) and Aizen one shotted this in his 2nd form now you tell me what kind of feat is that, and when Ichigo went Mugetsu Aizen directly stated that Ichigo is on another dimension/plane of existence. So go do your research before calling me a liar lmfao you narutard.
Thank you for presenting your opinion with strength & conviction. Kubo storytells in cycles, the key info in parallels between narrative beats. Ichigo's original bankai was shown parallel to Ishida's Letztstil. Then later confirmed to be of his quincy powers. FGT is then a similar but more advanced version, it even has parallel naming to "Last Style". This parallelism has been present since thr fight with the menos grande, and its the basic function of GT: Ichigo drains himself of all power, focuses, then discharges it. And yes, Aizen was right: Ichigo discharged his power while keeping all the potential. Think electrodynamics. He basically reversed thr polarity of the Quincy power suckage, making himself a massive black hole. Everything that came after was more controlled ways to use his power without burning it away. This is also sth discussed early on in Bleach.
All I have to say is that a lot of people forget that the Final Getsuga Tenshou we saw wasn't a "ғυlly reғined" spiritual pressure but was still super strong and for me I think when the anime comes out we will see more of ichigo true bankai and more.
Yep. He's grasping at straws. Even if we think Mugetsu is stronger than his Shikai his Bankai is 5-10 times stronger and his ressurection (hollow form) does the exact same thing. So with Horn and Bankai he's between 25-100 times stronger than his Shikai. Mugetsu isn't touching that.
@@metalface_villain i think the condition to use it then is because he's powers were unstable. That's why he'd ose them easily at that time because he wasn't a true shinigami.
I believe eachigo would have had to fuse with the Hogyoku. I also believe eachigo would likely be the only one who could as he is part hollow and part soulreaper naturally. I think his Quincy powers would enhance the hogyoku as he could absorb all the reishi to feed the hogyoku making it multiply in strength. This could have potentially given eachigo so much power that nothing could stop him.
But aizen isnt 4th dimensional. He said he was above shinigami and hollow amd was on a higher dimension to them *SIMILAR* to how a 4th dimensjonal beimg is above a 3rd dimensional being. He wasnt saying he was 4D. He was just saying he was above hollow and shinigami and using that as an example.
Abyss Acnologia actually he is. He was the only one to have a “decent” 1v1 with ywach’s hax form. Oh don’t forget the dude is literally immortal and grows stronger without doing anything except to chill lmao
@@stern4184 Well theres different levels of dimensions. Theres 3D and then theres infinite 3D and THEN theres 4D and then rinse and repeat so aizen wodnt be true 4D just from destroying a 4D thing. In order to be 4D he would need to truly surpass/transcende time or space. Which theres no evidence for
@@oreoex-rwbyhater599 maybe but he still had 4D attack potency which is why he could destroy the cleaner in the dangai, but ichigo might be a true 4D being
Just look at the beginning of the story when Ichigo fought the menos Grande when Ichigo released The Limited power that he did have it was too much his body couldn't handle it and he was about to die
Was a hollow spirit because of the soul ribbon that wraps around the handle you know a soul reapers so ribbon is red a hollows so ribbon is white a human's soul ribbon is a soul chain
Great video but the theory is flawed. When he was granted access to his hollow power to fight byukuya and kenpachi it was a portion of his hollow. No shinigami no Quincy power. When he fought ulquerra it was all vasto lorde hollow no shinigami no Quincy. In your defense I think I Hugo would be ridiculous if he became 4th dimension every time he releases his shiki after the royal palace arc. Then we’d have to ask just how strong was juha?? I can see your point there. Anyway thx for the video.
Mugetsu is Ichigo's most potent technique as it can even weaken the power of the Hogyoku which is a power that can adapt to things in a rapid and extreme pace Though in terms of overall strength and power, according to Yhwach, True Shikai Ichigo >= Final Getsuga Tensho Ichigo as he had regained the power he used to defeat Aizen. Those words were very specific. He didn't just say shinigami powers, didn't say his previous powers, didn't mention his fullbring shinigami powers, but made a direct comparison to the power that beat Aizen. And then Ichigo has his Horn of Salvation and Bankai on top of that Shikai So it's TYBW Horn of Salvation + True Bankai > True Bankai > Horn of Salvation + True Shikai > True Shikai >= Final Getsuga Tensho/Mugetsu Ichigo > Dangai Ichigo > Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo > Full Hollow/Vasto Ichigo etc
@@umairauwais3422 these are the forms of Ichigo . HOS Horn of salvation. And going by the statement of Ywach true SHIKAI is infact more powerful then MUGETSU.
As a proof that his true shikai is better than his dangai form is that when he met juha bach first time he said that the denisty of ichigo's reiatsu is so thick that its taking a physical shape around him while in his dangai there wasnt a shape for his reiatsu until he took the final getsugatensho form u can see his reiatsu coming out as a shape so it seems his true bankai is x10 more powerful than his final getsugatenhso form and was so frightening that juha bach had no choice but to break it bec. If it was not enough to kill juha bach he could've kept it to see its upmost power and thats my concluding
I too think that Mugetsu is his strongest form (expect for the BBS form, that is on another level), but I disagree in one thing. In my opinion Mugetsu was the combination of the technique, hollow and Shinigaimi power, but not the Quincy power, I don't think the Quincy power was used to combine in that technique.
Mugetsu wasn't his strongest. He ignores that Ichigo wasn't using a Zanpaktou. We know that it amps your strength. Zaraki and Renji (after learning the true name) are perfect examples. Yoruichi says it's a 5-10 times multiplier learning Bankai. Then Ichigo has his ressurection form (horn of salvation mode) which is equivalent to a Bankai as well stated by multiple Espada. So with Horn and Bankai he's 25 - 100 times stronger than in Shikai. There's no way the Mugetsu at that time is as strong as EoS Ichigo in Bankai with Horn.
Nice video but Your entire argument falls apart because when Yhwatch met Ichigo who was in shikai Yhwatch states Ichigo has regained the power he used to defeat aizen even contemplates the idea of this power being greater than that which is why he didn't fight Ichigo seriously until the horn appeared and busted the bankai because he was afraid of it, so I do not believe Mugetsu Ichigo is the strongest iteration of the character maybe kubo just couldn't think of something ridiculously op for the bankai without it instantly ending the fight so he just let us know it was enough to put Yhwatch on edge this from a guy who fought ichibe with full confidence and won all while being preped for yama and the entire zero division also being able to 1 shot zaraki That says a lot about what his true bankai might be
Yall r forgetting some VERY important things...everyone compares the strength we see him hit aizen with but the strength he used in fgt form wasnt NEAR as much as he could have 1: he only used one hand in his attack which, as we see earlier with zaraki, u can use more power with both hands on ur weapon 2: when he struck aizen u can tell he mearly let his arm drop and released his power, whereas he would have used so much more had he actually swong his arm as if he was cutting something with a sword so...the power we see with mugetsu Ichigo is nothing compared to what he could have done
Wola Fede Thabs here (RSA) I like your videos man, but on this 1 you missed a couple of things Yhwach 1 shooted every-one including Bankia Yama but failed to 1 shot Ichigo with fullbring Bankia, So image this Yhwach with all his hax and power acknowledged Ichigos power That Aizen could comprehend or understand and this guy Yhwach fully acknowledges him. They tag each other and Ichigo releases his horn, Yhwach is like damn I can't keep up let me plant this to hurt his feet coz he was too fast for him and states that Ichigo has some ability to change fate and Ichigo goes Bankia Yhwach is like F@#$%^&ch no ways he breaks it, meaning he prep for 1000 years to still Yamas Bankia and went to the future to break Ichigos.
Not the 4th dimension..., at the very least 5th or 6th. Reason: A regular reaper is already likely in a higher dimension from a normal human, which you may assume as 4th. They toward the end could not gauge Izen, which may have been in a higher dimension, and finally, Izen could not gauge Ichigo who was likely in an even higher dimension. .. Food for though, if not fact.
When you consider someones bankai as "fearsome" that means it's strong enough to kill you. Yamamoto bankai was so strong that it would be able to destroy everything. Its why he got rid of it. He even broke ichigos bankai which means this was probably going to be the final arc but made better. Probably even a better lead up too it. It was rushed yes but Ichigo didn't need his final form to win this battle all he needed was his bankai that one shots people that are beyond the fourth dimension and can see everything that will ever happen. Just sucks he didn't see that stab in the back.
but isn't Ichigo true bankai the strongest so Yhwach can see the future of true bankai Ichigo form and he is scared ... that's why Yhwach damaged Ichigo's sword and horns before he did anything ... this is just like Yhwach cheating using his own clones and stealing Yamamoto's bankai because he was scared at first ... Yhwach had fought with Yamamoto a thousand years ago and Yhwach lost and escaped until now he has obtained Sternritter troops for revenge knowing Yamamoto's bankai and killed him without using Yamamoto's bankai ...
Hard to say. It's really just the form he would have taken if Yhwach had kidnapped him like he wanted before the royal guard came. He would have been very strong no doubt but with no Zanpaktou in that form it would depend on his Schrift.
I knew my opinion would be unlike the majority :3
But this is how Im understanding the power of Ichigo.
I have taken many things in consideration - even the situation of the manga at its end -
of course if you have watched the whole video You will know what Im talking about !
But at least I gave you another vesion of the topic !
evantually the only one who could gave us a satisfactory answer is kubo himself.
I wish he could do that in a interview or in the upoming season of the anime !
Don't no🤔😨🤔😬👍
I would like to offer at least 2 counter arguments:
1 Even though Ichigo had access to full power (without an asauchi I might add, which means he his transformations until his RG training were less power boosts and more limit releases) in the Deicide arc he only learnt to control the output of his power in fullbring meaning when he was basically passively fighting Aizen with no control over his Reiatsu output, which was basically overflowing like a dam thats about to burst, unlike his fight against Yhwach, when he was actively trying to control said power [and bring up the Askin fight it's basically no different from the time Nanana knocked out Aizen (who even though he was sealed up was stronger than his Deicide form) for five minutes, hax Quincy abilities overwriting massive raw power even Oetsu was affected by the poison]
2 the fact that both sleeves of Shihakusho in his EoS hollow Bankai are ripped unlike the Dangai state (indicating that his using more power than his Dangai state) and the chains of his Bankai wrapping around the Zanpakuto itself are longer than one wrapping around the arm's (the length of the chains determine the amount of power his able to use)
So my questions r the first captain of the 13; why him to be captain?
Can Ichigo become someone's zapankto (his power)?
Does saying banki really mean it's a banki; Yamamoto never says shikai nd I think some do say this b/c some swords can't stay shikai cuz of change?
Can anybody alter their sword to become stronger?
Do all zapanktos have male female spirits?
Are female spirits the strongest zapanktos?(thinking about ichbay, squad 0)
Is spiritual pressure all that matters to create a powerful zapankto or be a powerful character in bleach?
I like to point you to Clyde's and SethTheProgrammer vides covering this. Plus it's stated in the manga it self that Dangai Ichigo is weaker then true zanpakuto ichigo. and if you look at it from a calcing point of view True Zanpakuto Ichigo is stronger just by the numbers.
Clyde: ruclips.net/channel/UCqCl8NICKSjAq-prcj22BqA
How Strong WAS Soul Society Ichigo?: ruclips.net/video/xHAf-IJWyLI/видео.html
Shinigami Ichigo Is Overpowered: ruclips.net/video/6NUywBgkwc4/видео.html
How Strong WAS Vasto Lorde Ichigo?:ruclips.net/video/5VnyRqGy2NQ/видео.html
Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo Is WAY Stronger Than You Think.:ruclips.net/video/0FZ6qQUc0vk/видео.html
SethTheProgrammer: ruclips.net/channel/UC4iqkyPSa-7ZotVE74ZN7lw
Why Ichigo Kurosaki Is Stronger Than People Think: ruclips.net/video/jkeJbi9uL8s/видео.html
Could Ichigo Beat All The Akatsuki?:ruclips.net/video/FpKQkxj8xwU/видео.html
Naruto VS Ichigo Debunked: ruclips.net/video/syrkUUrHs_E/видео.html
ywach said ichigo gained the power he fought against aizen and ywach was way stronger then aizen at that time and ichigo only got stronger to keep par tier with new aizen
Ichigo is my favorite character in all of shonen jump he just has a decent personality and doesn't want to achieve something big like Hokage or king of the pirates. Throughout the series he was the most relatable character in shonen jump for me.
Yeah he's the most realistic Shonen protag and doesn't need a generic "Goku" like personality in order to be interesting. Also has the best design on better transformations out of any of the others in my opinion.
@@KurotsuchiShiShi And to top it off, is still crazy powerful. Maybe Ichigo is why a fair bit of current Shounen protag's are now more down to earth and relatable.
@@Cabolt44 never thought about it but it does seem true.
Yea, sure you could say that he's privileged with his background but he had to work for them and he doesn't have anything grand as a goal. He simply overcomes whatever problem in front of him because he needed to. His conversation with ulquiorra was the evidence. He didn't fight because he can win, he fights because he has to win
Luffy: I want to be Pirate King
Naruto: I want to be Hokage
Izuku: I want to be The Greatest Hero
Asta: I want to be Wizard King
Ichigo: ............I just want a normal live.
Wrong. Ichigo wants to protect others he cares about.
Naruto wanted a normal life too. That was the reason he needed to become Hokage. The village treated him like he didnt exist and hated him. Thats not a normal life. Thats why he wanted to be Hokage. So that could syop and he could finally live normally amongst the village and be respected like everyone else.
Ichigo : I want to protect my dearest friends,family and people
Oreo *Ex-RWBY Hater* he still wanted to be a kage though. That’s a high rank just like pirate king,wizard king,strongest hero etc. ichigo never wanted to be head captain he’s not cliche like naruto
@@rushpatriot2866 yeah because that was the stepping stone to a normal life...im reality Naruto never wanted to be hokage. What he really wanted was just acceptance but it just so happened that in order to do that, he needed to be hokage. But it was never about being hokage in the first place. What i just said is alot deeler than anything with ichigo. Especially since ichigo is a mary sue character.
Your accent is fine dude. I never have trouble understanding you. Your videos are great btw.
Really ?😑
I know you're trying to be supportive but that's bs. His vids are great tho
@@jordanfolkes4143 nah I could understand fine
@@jordanfolkes4143 i understand fine tbh
I can understand him perfectly he doesn't even need subtitles in my personal opinion.
Personally Ichigo has inspired me alot. Made me change my shitty and depressed life. Also his CHARACTER is so much more relatable then other MC'S . He is very BALANCED MC in shonen. Respect Ichigo.
@Sam Ros name one asspull all of his forms were foreshadowed and later explained unlike Naruto getting sage of six path out of nowhere. You're not that smart to see it lol😂
@Sam Ros lmao wtf you talkin about
"very BALANCED MC" lmao what? Along with Ywhach,Gerald,Lille,Kenpachi and some more,he is one of the most broken characters to exist in Bleach.
@@caesar5588 He be talkin about personality bro
kushagra sharma Dude he literally only beat aizen because he did 3 years of training inside his fucking Mind that somehow was only a few minutes in real time that then carried over from his mind
Here's my understanding of Ichigo's powers:
According to every statement about zanpakuto, including O Etsu's, the ability to utilize the full power of a shinigami is to both know the name and understand the nature of that power and having an Asauchi as a conduit. Ichigo only knows the name of his sword and only understands part of its nature when he learns the Final Getsuga. Using the technique allowed him to use the unrestricted power of his sword in one attack although his body was not ready to use that power, even after Zangetsu submitted and being in the Dangai aged him. This is why the ability costs the user their powers.
When Ichigo lost his powers he went into a near death state and his powers became dormant (according to Rukia). I assume this is to keep the body and spirit alive after breaking them, because utilizing the Reiryoku of many captain level shinigami was able to reawaken his powers. The power that was reawakened wasn't the same as his bankai though, it was more close to his hollow mask enhanced bankai powers. Why would I say this? Before Ichigo completes his Fullbring Tsukishima says that he is close to his regaining the power he had but when Ginjo takes the Fullbring and Rukia reawakens his powers and she says that the power taken was only a small fraction of the power Ichigo had.
Now knowing more of himself (part of his hollow power origins) Ichigo is able to fight at a higher level. He starts the Thousand Year Blood War with power comparable if not much greater than his Masked form, which is why we don't see it come out while fighting Yhwach, despite Ichigo being in danger of dying. At that point in the story Ichigo can already kill Quincy in their Volstandig, which is even a challenge for captains, using Bankai. THEN Ichigo goes to the palace, his body/spirit becomes stronger from the springs and food and environment in that realm, he obtains an Asauchi and learns the nature of his sword, and he shows that even with his suppressed Shikai powers are strong enough to beat Quincy in Volstandig. THEN he approaches Yhwach with his powers slowly reawakening and Yhwach says he regained the power he used to defeat Aizen before but this time he thinks he got stronger, but corrects himself and says this is his true power. What Yhwach is referring to is the unrestricted and unevolved powers that were used by the Final Getsuga. Yhwach is amused and doesn't even use his full power to combat it at first. When that power fully awakens and Ichigo gets a horn Yhwach says he can't afford to make any mistakes. When Ichigo used his bankai Yhwach's entire demeanor changes and he instantly breaks it to prevent it from ever having the chance to be used. This is the strongest version of Ichigo. When he actually defeats Yhwach he hasn't been able to fully awaken his power again because he is weak from Yhwach stealing his power and breaking his sword. He doesn't regain his full power again until the novels after the end of the arc, which are years before the last chapter.
Nice!
Your actually 100 % spot on
Perfectly explained!!
Yes, it was said that after ichigo killed yhwach he regained those powers that yhwach had stolen from him. Which would makes sense because those powers arent his. They just made him more power and since they aren't his, the powers went back to its rightful owner (ichigo). His true shikai was at the level of mugetsu and his body accepts it, well his soul. Then the horm pops up, which then yhwach has to take him seriously with that statement of him not affording to lose any mistakes. After he went bankai he instantly destroyed it which signifies that his true bankai on top on his horn is truly godly. It was stated by the soul king himself (which was yhwach at the time ) that he reigned those powers and evolution of mugetsu. Which is crazy because that's just his true shikai.
lol you omit certain key story factors to make your opinion make sense when it really doesn't, why yhwach demeanor changed it was because of his dream of Ichigo beating him, when ichigo released his state yhwach saw a glimpse of the future, you say Ichigo could beat quincy volstandig in the first invasion before the soul palace training again false as Ichigo could not even touch kirge the jailer so again a false statement as you state ichigo could beat volstandig at the start of the TYBW he had literally no 1 on 1 fights with any quincy at any point during the arc except against Yhawch, yes ichigo after fullbring was much stronger in bankai but please don't go as far as he could demolish volstandig as he's only 2 interactions with volstandig where with kirge and Candice both who where beaten by others, I feel people forget that kubo went towards a more creative solution to fights where powers really had nothing to do with it except for 4 fights (zaraki vs gremy, rukia vs as nodt, renji vs mask de masculine, Yamamoto vs yhwach) the other fights where heavily based on creative ways to conclude fights rather than solely relying on reiatsu and power, the arrancer war was power focused this arc was not based on power but more of how each captain could utilise their techniques against a overwhelming enemy , as kubo made it a point to show you kirge absolutely demolishing allon a creature who is still alive after being supposedly killed by Yamamoto to show you the terror of the quincy, but thats of topic, my point is you cannot have a accurate understanding on ichigo vs the quincy not yhwach as their are no fights you can accurately base your opinion on, considering ichigo had limited interaction with the vandereich, which is a shame as I would loved to have seen a proper fight between ichigo and kirge.
Not to mention when ichigo first described getsugatensho, he said zangetsu absorbs his reiatsu and amplifies it. So the final getsugatensho were ichigo becomes getsuga himself sounds like zangetsu takes every ounce of ichigo's reiatsu and amplifies it. Which makes since that this form is stronger. Also if u take into account like Urahara says a revolver can be fired 6 times a missile once. That form was ichigo's missle.
ywach did indeed state ichigo had grown beyond the final getsuga tenshou, specifically. but regular post asauchi shikai ichigo is not more power than post dangai. This is why ywach had to immediately break his bankai. He saw a loss.
It's as simple as that:
TRUE SHIKAI>>>MUGETSU
HOS TRUE SHIKAI>>>TRUE SHIKAI
BANKAI>>>HOS TRUE SHIKAI
HOS BANKAI>>>BANKAI.
kushagra sharma 👏🏽💯
@@kushagrasharma5402 it's not as simple as that, that is wrong in so many levels...
Actually, I have a theory on Vasto Lorde Ichigo's transformation.
I think Ichigo did die actually, quincies are living beings, therefore his Quincy powers were gone, but only momentarily, his hollow took over, and when the mask broke, there is this weird blue thing that fills Ichigo's hole, BLUE is the color of quincies.
That's pretty much it.
Quincies don't have instant regeneration, Hollows do, thats what that blue light was.
@@shokurozu277 well you gotta consider the fact that drilling a soul fastens its hollowfication process
@@shokurozu277 and hollows can't regenerate inner organs
But Ichigo is unique. Normally Hollows and Quincy cannot interact under any circumstances. And yet there is Ichigo a Quincy Hollow hybrid with the powers of a Shinigami. An impossible being made possible. The rules may not apply to him.
Maybe Kubo will be able to show all that he wanted in the upcoming anime,getting goosebumps.
I agree with you hope the fight is not only changed noted ( kinda wish he'd kept that has his ultimate form or ultimately evolution with his zanp. 👍 Like you said all 5 of his 🔋 power's mergerd into 1.
Your accent is fine. Thanks for adding subtitles though, I generally enjoy them.
The final getsuga tenshou is actually the first time ichigos powers were unshackled by the old man however it still isn’t as strong as the true shikai and bankai ichigo. Reason being is dat the final getsuga tenshou is leggit a getsuga tenshou fired using every drop of his power however this was without an asuichi. Notice how when he did the attack he had no sword this was because by dat point ichigos sword was made from his own spiritual pressure. Though because of the way the final getsuga works the energy from the sword was also used in the attack and as a result it disappeared. I’m saying that essentially even though ichigo had unleashed all of his power he didn’t have a complete or proper zanpaktou to properly manifest his power like the other soul reapers. Plus by dat point in the story ichigo still didn’t really know zangetsu or himself either and as we know soul reapers grow stronger when they converse with their zanpaktou and learn about each other which he actually did in the thousand year blood war arc. Also as ya said the old man stopped holding ichigo back when he let him use the final getsuga tenshou but if dats the case why would it be any stronger than how he is in the thousand year blood war were the old man did the same thing except now ichigo has not only a better relationship with the two zangetsus but also a proper zanpaktou as well. In short mugestsu ichigo was ichigo with his full power unleashed however he was with a shotty sword and a less than honest relationship with zangetsu who as you stated was still wanting him to not be a soul reaper at that time and likely agreed with ichigos wish because it would help his secret goal of making ichigo live as a human, and the tybw ichigo is him at full power with a proper sword a good relationship with the zangetsus a new complete hollow form and bankai which both add on to his strength.
On that note, the FGT relates quite strongly to Ichigo's quincy heritage - with his own aura being visible, and his blade being pure spirit energy. Yes his True Shikai and Bankai are his most powerful forms, but if he trained his full quincy abilities, he'd likely attain the form we see created by Kubo for Bleach Brave Souls - New Year's Ichigo (Quincy Uniform). That would be his strongest form, since it utilises his full power range.
@@Cabolt44 niceuu
I agree with almost everything you said except the hollow form being complete since when Ichigo did the getsuga tensho grand rey cero he says he is still not use to this power and hasn't mastered it yet which would explain why there is only 1 horn and no mask and his destructive capabilities felt underwhelming to say the least
He may also be referring to the blunt vein technique of the Quincy powers as well
But honestly felt like this version of his hollow form wasn't as strong as the full hollow vs ulquiora
On the subject of his sword being energy, Ichigo is part Quincy and so is his power, so when 100% of his power released, his final form and final weapon would be s combination of characteristics of the 2.
Quincies use energy weapons primarily and Shinigami use Zanpakuto.
So the true 100% released form of Zangetsu could well be a combination of the 2, an energy Zanpakuto, or. Helig Sword?
Also there was that time early on in Bleach where Ichigo explained how Zangetsu worked, by gathering his reiatsu, compressing it, then releasing it in a powerful slash, and it was very reminiscent of how Uryu describe his Quincy power to work, the only difference being Uryu gathers energy from outside, compresses and releases, while Ichigo gathers power from within himself.
This is to say, Zangetsu is partly both a Zanpakuto AND Ichigo's version of a Helig Bow (or energy weapons).
So it's fully released and realized form may reflect this combination, the physical form of the sword becoming more of an energy weapon but still having it's Zanpakuto characteristics. Which is what final getsuga looks like.
Looking aesthetically at his Final Getsuga, it's basically a mixture of Bankai and Letz Stil.
Now imagine if Final Getsuga was both pulling energy outside AND inside him together, compressing it, and then releasing it, which is in line for it to be doing? That really explains how stupidly powerful the attack was.
And I don't know for certain, but given that it was partly a Letz Stil, he should have lost his Quincy powers as well, which is why Old Man didn't teach it to him, because he'd lose his hollow powers yes, but also lose his Quincy powers to, meaning both White Ichigo AND old man would disappear and old man would no longer be able to look over him. So old man teaching it to him was grudging, more of a compromise. "I'm only doing this and severing my connection to you in the hopes that because it also severs your connection to your hollow/shinigami powers, you'll stop fighting and won't need my guidance anymore."
By that reasoning Final Getsuga really should be the strongest technique and form of Ichigo in the series, that we saw. But it doesn't rule out that he could have later learned a perfected version of it with an actual asauchi.
This is wrong. Ichigo with FGT has basically fused with his zanpakuto, the highest level of mastery over one's weapon, as Aizen himself stated.
Ichigo never reached that level of power again in the series.
What I say about that debate every time it comes up is that the Final Getsuga Tenso is the whole point of the final Arc "The blade is me" even if you don't count the quincy powers. In his new bankai he finally learned to control his Shinigamy/Hollow sides balancing them and becoming maybe comparable to Final Getsuga in total energy but not the same as back then he released used all his energy at once. Maybe if he used the final Getsuga in the final Arc he might have been more powerful than the last time.
I think the Final Getsuga Tensho is currently Ichigo strongest technique but NOT his strongest form though
I definitely agree...
The form is Mugetsu and technique is final getsuga tenshō
@@multiverse439 actually the form is Final Getsuga Tensho and the technique is called Mugetsu, watch Aizen vs Ichigo
@@Mars-td7pb I've been a fan for years and I've watched the Anime and read the manga and watched interviews with the creators. Its actually form Mugetsu and technique The Final Getsuga Tensho. I mean not just factually but in thought why go all this time calling it Getsuga Tensho to Mugetsu. Look up the transmissions of the names Mugetsu etc and you can thank me later. I'm right by the way.
@@multiverse439 what i meant was Final Getsuga tenshou is his form and Mugetsu is the name of the attack
Always look forward to a video from you man!
Bro your accent makes your videos more real👍🏾 we hear you perfectly bro
Cmiiw.... Aizen said that he's a fourth dimensional being that's why shinigami can't feel his reiatsu if he didn't allowed them to.... it's confirmed by Isshin, he was a little bit shocked when ichigo was able to sense aizen reiatsu yet lead him to believe that ichigo could defeat aizen if he trains his technique in the dangai..... so perhaps the butterfly aizen couldn't sense ichigo's reiatsu is because ichigo's reach the evolution of transcendent 5th dimensional being
i agree with you
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Swim told me that dangai/mugetsu ichigo = zagetsu (young ywach) fused w/ichigo and doesn’t not include a fusion with his “hollow side” and is therefore only half of his full potential. And this is confirmed when zangetsu admits he was holding ichigo back, and ichigo realizes his “hollow side” is really his true zanpakuto, and “zangetsu” is really a young version of ywach (aka Quincy power). The fusion of both these powers is the half horn ichigo or “true bankai”. This is what swim said lol.
"doesn't include his hollow side"
And the fuckin horn comes from a quincy power ? Lol who is swim btw ?
babyben beats horn = hollow powers aka hollow ichigo. Swim = someone who isn’t me
bro you caught me back up on bleach this past year i fucking love it...keep up the good work
It’s pretty obvious that ichigo true bankai hollow horn ichigo is stronger than ichigos mugetsu, it’s stated the true shikai is relative to mugetsu by yhwach or his statement which is you have gained the power in which you used to defeat aizen (mugetsu), this is very specific meaning he knows he achieved a much more convienient form than mugetsu but is relative to. Another supporting point is aizen was stated to be stronger aswell. Ichigo generally became stronger than his previous version aswell meaning he has a lot more spirit energy compared to the previous arcs. Ichigo in mugetsu was also burnt by Aizens fragor and we know aizen has became stronger per statement so saying mugetsu is the most powerful form for ichigo is silly as why would aizen become more powerful and ichigo still be weaker than mugetsu. And again the name True in his new form implies it’s a higher level of being than mugetsu. It is likely mugetsu can be used again in his new current stronger form it would be on a completely different level. Essentially if true shikai is equivalent to mugetsu as stated by yhwach who is literally all seeing then his bankai is x10 stronger on top with his hollow horn multipliers which are currently unknown. He far surpasses mugetsu.
Yeah, True Shikai is above Dangai.
God knows how deadly his true bankai was.
Let's hope that bleach continues for so long that Kazui shows us what it was truly capable of
All Yhwach had said was that his reiatsu was overflowing from his body that it was STARTING to take a visible form.
This again? that was NEVER stated at all. What Yhwach said is that Ichigo got his powers back(Shinigami powers back), it is very clear that Ichigo True Shikai is far below Dangai...
Vinzenz Stein Ferrari Freitas “Increasing your own power so that you could defeat sosuke aizen, and then once again reclaimed the power the power to defeat sosuke aizen which you had lost by cutting down the spirit king before my eyes” Chapter- Fall of the soul King
Russian Union “Increasing your own power so that you could defeat sosuke aizen, and then once again reclaimed the power the power to defeat sosuke aizen which you had lost by cutting down the spirit king before my eyes” Chapter- Fall of the soul King and you are talking about a statement that was said later on.
Based on the cant fear your own world novel it said the soul king was a hybrid being of all races just like Ichigo. Not only that but Ichigo was considered a threat because of his potential power which never made sense to me. Perhaps being a hybrid Ichigo had dormant soul king powers that he could have unlocked and that's what made him a huge threat. Maybe his Mugetsu form was a glimpse of what his soul king form and power would have been like.
Imagine how awesome that would have been. Ichigo unlocks those abilities and is able to fight Yhwach on even terms. Instead of the one sided beat down which ended with the bleach equivalent of dorothy gale's house being dropped on the villain.
Actually it was the Inuyasha express arrow. According to CFYOW hybrid beings are the only one's able to replace the Soul King, which includes the natural hybrids of Kugo and Ichigo, and Hikone (a manufactured hybrid). Ichigo is likely the closest to the Soul King/Yhwach. The Soul King's personality was hinted at being similar (in the case of fighting for loved one's) to Ichigo himself.
@@Cabolt44 nope you have to be a hybrid because they are able to become transcendent beings as long as you can be a transcendent you meet a requirement for being the soul king
@@glizzynator5258 meaning aizen could be the soul king...
@@naraydaniels7832 not anymore he was turned back transcendent beings are hybrid of 3 or more races aizen is only shinigami ginjo is shinigami fullbring and hollow so that's why he's a candidate but aizen isn't
Love your videos dude. Your accent is fine. Great videos and analysis! Keep at it
When you increase the length of the MC's hair, that's it.
Increase = more power
Decrease = more fanservice
For me the Dangai is the ultimate version of him , because in this form ichigo has achieved the final form ( when the sword merged with the users , nobody can do that only dangai ichigo and aizen hogyuku but at one moment the hogyuku had Think kyoka suigetsu was useless ) moreover kyoraku say aizen his more powerfull than before but kyoraku doesn’t know how strong was aizen at this moment because he was on the floor in fake kyoraku when the ultimate ichigo fought with the ultimate version of Aizen ( at this moment Knew that no one can stop him to kill the Spirit king and division 0 )
idk why but I can trust your opinion on bleach more then Normal English speakers
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Dangai Ichigo would have wiped the floor with all the sternritters except the ones with broken powers and given a lot of trouble to Yhwach (can't say how much because of Yhwach's broken powers). It was so frustrating that he just cracked his sword like a stick twice. I agree with you, the ending was very very hurried.
Sry for the late reply the Ending was rushed because Jump said so Kubo wanted to but Bleach for an 1 year Hiatus but Jump said finish the story in 5 chapters that's the reason wh, the Ending was so rushed
A problem with this might be the fact that Ichigo's zanpakuto isn't in its proper form when it mugetsu form, it seems that it might have still had some power held back. I do think Mugetsu might be the most powerful technique that Ichigo has but maybe not the most powerful it COULD be at that time.
I'm glad you keep repeating "in my opinion" because this shows your weren't connecting the dots kubo laid out. This definitely wasn't his strongest form. At all.
@Lil Marco I wanna see that scan you mentioned, I think I remember something like that too but forgot where.
Lil Marco it wasnt mugestu it was dangai two different beings in two different dimensions example of this dangai ichigo still had his sword while final gestuga didnt have one he basically became on with his sword and example of this would be aizen hes now stronger than he was because he became one with his sword another example is ichigo forming a sword out of nowhere so what im trying to say is final gestuga is the final stage of his power the only reason why he lost it because his body is way too weak to control his power but hey it can go deeper remember that his final bankai had a long chain now imagine him breaking it off and wrapping it around his hand going dangai
@Lil Marco Ywach never said that TS surpassed mugetsu ichigo, and i read the manga.... Literally the scan you're trying to say is literally in the video
@@abulroihan5683 and even if he had the same sp the quincy girls couldnt even touch him they would’ve just cease to exist
It’s like this in my point of view
Full bring bankai
The BBS Form is known in game as New Year's Ichigo. The fans call him Quincy Ichigo, and yes he would be the most powerful form of Ichigo. Fullbring Bankai was actually a more amped version of Ichigo with his mask (the fullbring merged with his new Shinigami powers = fullbring + hollow + shinigami power). By the end of the Fake Karakura arc, Ichigo's masked form was amped up to at least his Vasto Lorde form, but his mental state limited his power. True Shikai was stated by Yhwach to be equal to the powers he used against Hogyoku Fused Aizen. This must mean that True Shikai = Dangai/FGT Ichigo. HOS True Shikai > FGT, and his True Bankai (without HOS) > HOS True Shikai.
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Loved the video! The only thing that confused me about mugetsu Ichigo and final form Aizen is the different dimension shit. I don't understand if it's power level or their being itself that transcends. Because if it's just power level, I don't understand why in the final arc if they are stronger they are never a different dimension in strength compared with the rest
It's not power levels. It's the amount and type of spiritual power. Aizen was just awakening his hollow powers into his shinigami ones. Ichigo was doing the same but as well as Quincy (but we didn't know that). He was just on a higher tier at that point and time.
I think dimensions referred to power types a being has. i.e. Quincy, Shinigami, Fullbring, Hollow. When Aizen & Urahara were conducting experiments, Shinigami potential would be just a bankai, but if you added other power dimensions, your powers could be somewhat 'limitless'.
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Amazing video and grest explanation. I also hope that kubo will give us more details in the upcoming anime
Mugetsu/FinalGetsuga was Ichigo uknownly using a hybrid version of Letzstil essentially: which indeed makes it his most powerful attack, but not his most powerful form.
the difference between Ichigo when he fought Aizen and when he fought Yhwach was the same as that of the Letzstil and Vollstandig. so it may as well still be Mugetsu=TrueShikai...
But Isshin also used his final getsuga thing aswell
Hey man you honestly have great pronunciation especially considering it’s not your native tongue! You don’t have to apologize every video. You make amazing content btw thank you for the vids❤️
Wow, that's all I can say!! Your points are valid because I never looked at it that way or even thought about it till I saw your video. Kubo done a great job foretelling the future of Ichigo bankai and how powerful it can really be if he is giving the opportunity to unlock all of his power. The final form of getsuga tensho is Ichigo power, fully unlock. The only thing that I may add is that at that time Ichigo was fighting with an incomplete sword so in a sense his powers was unleash but the old men Zangetsu was still holding him back because he never told Ichigo the truth. Now hollow Ichigo on the other hand has told him that he is Zangetsu and that him and the old men are the source of his power but Ichigo didn't understand or maybe because he had this deep hatred for the hollow Ichigo that he didn't believe him.
I don't think Ichigo hated Zangetsu (White Ichigo) at all. I think he was just afraid of what he represented. However Ichigo has never really hated anyone, and eventually accepts who he is in the end. Looking back at the series, I am always reminded of what Kenny said: "someone so strong, how can you not love to battle!?" and that sums up Ichigo pretty well. Ichigo protects, sure, but he's also eager to test his skills against strong opponents. Perhaps it's the Soul King hybridity coming out of him, but Ichigo is just as battle hungry as one's like Kenny and Grimmjow. He'd just never admit.
@@Cabolt44 💙
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Thx for the content bro luv you
Hello, i'm a Belgian, so my Anglish can seem a little strange, sorry for that. I follow your video and i like your content, this time, i will try discus with you because i totaly like this manga, universe and topics like yours.
I have my opinion on that topic, but your video make my complete certain points from my initial idea or change my vision from it. I think too Mugetsu mode is one of the strongest mode of Ichigo, so, in the fake Karakura arc, for me, Ichigo reach the pinacle of combined powers born from the mixe of Quincy and Hollow ones. Not Shinigami's.
For some reason, i ever thinked the abilities of Ichigo until he going to the Zanpakuto blacksmith, after he lose the power acquired from Rukia in the first tome are just a cohabitation of Quincy and Hollow powers, because he haven't Asauchi, he emulate for some sort manner a true Zanpakuto. That emulation was old guy, Zangetsu.
But, Hollow coexist in the Ichigo's soul, the White Ichigo represent this power. If Ichigo was able to use the two at the same time, i think a soul suicide will be occur or, is body isen't able to endure it and explode like the Gremmy's one unable to imagine the strong body of Kenpachi to contain all is Reaitsu.
When Ichigo use Mugetsu the first time, the two power merge and the technique destroy all is Reaitsu. But, a the end, in the new Zanpakuto state, is Reaitsu is more powerfull, but i think, less than Mugetsu mode. If Ichigo was able to use is new Bankai, with is level of Reaitsu in the Warwelt arc, i suppose Mugetsu mode can be use another time...
What do you think about it ?
So, thank for your cool vid'z
Can’t wait for you to get a hundred thousand subs
damm. this vid was FIRE!! nice!!
I agree with you hope the fight is changed or longer-then the original. Kinda like base Ywhachu eye base.
You make a lot of good points but I think if he used it again at the end i think it would be stronger
Gran vídeo hablas con toda la verdad simo san dangai ichigo es la culminación de estos 2 en un solo ser no solo cuenta con el poder propio de este ya que es la unificación de ichigo y white tenza zangetsu
Ichigo true shikai es el poder que ichigo debía tener desde el inicio sabiendo controlar su poderes mas plus del fullbring en mi opinión el true bankai representa al ichigo bankai hollowfication debido ya que zangetsu hollow representa a isshin y zangetsu juha bach representa a masaki a propia decisión de ichigo es natural que true zangetsu representa a ichigo por lo el hecho de lo que representan eso poderes para el lo cual yo considero lógico ya que maestro tite siempre hace las cosas con un significado profundo hacia estas cosas.
You don't have to apologize for your accent. You're doing just fine my friend.
I think some other youtuber had calculated how much power ichigo actually used when he unlocked the dangai. He said ichigo unlocked 0.014 when he did. Also they said the last form ichigo had wasn't even close to his actual potential but a fraction. If im correct. I dont really read the manga
Dangai = 0.014% of his total power? LOL what a joke
Nah dangai not the strongest form but he certainly ain’t no little percent like that lol
@@kingsushi1280ikr I dont think its that low. But i mean he probably could've unlocked more abilities like resurrection, etc
Next time start with the ''I dont really read the manga'' so we dont bother reading your comment
@@napoleon8017 you would still have the choice not to read it though
There’s a good argument for both final ge and true ban
In my opinion the final getsuga tenshou is extremely similar to the quincy technique we saw uryuu used against mayuri in the soul society arc (the sanrei glove).
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I think there's no secret to final getsuga tenshou technique everything it holds was shown
Final Getsuga Tenshou = Realising users true potential in price of losing all of it.
Edit: if you remember in the end of chapter 684, one swing from ichigo's bankai was enough to kill soul king yhwach.
Great video
Bleach unmasked 3 states. The final getsuga tensho a state where the user literally becomes zangetsu himself although it has a power that surpasses everything in the verse the downside is that the user loses their spirit powers.
Unmasked 3 is outdated as of CFYOW and TYBW.
@@Cabolt44 still cannon if one don't contradict the other
@@Vinzenzx it's Canon but it doesn't account for TYBW or CFYOW. Just by Ichigo not having a Zanpaktou until later his power isn't at its greatest.
It is the strongest transformation. It's his ascendant state where he's one with his zanpakuto, it's conceptually beyond Bankai.
The thing is, people argue that his FGT during Deicide is his peak, which is just wrong for so many reasons. That's his base form, without an asauchi. The Reiokyuu buff was insane because it gave Ichigo an actual Shikai and Bankai. His TYBW self is his strongest incarnation, but that version of him tapping into FGT would obviously be the strongest he can be.
Even with this evidences, people still think Aizen's statement that Mugetsu was in another dimension than Aizen himself is a hyperbole lmao, it's right in front of your faces that Mugetsu is in the fourth dimension aka 4D.
Exactly bro 😁
I don't think anyone thinks it was hyperbole. It's obvious that Aizen was outmatched. It doesn't really mean Ichigo was at his strongest point in the story though. Kenpachi achieves the same feat where his power isn't sensed right before his fight with Gremmy.
Saying hes above shinigami and hollow and was on a higher dimension to them *SIMILAR* to how a 4th dimensjonal beimg is above a 3rd dimensional being isnt saying that your 4D. Its saying just what he said. Hes above hollow and shinigami....like your actually *blatantly* lying. Nowhere was it said or did he say he was 4D but what he DID say was hes above hollow and shinigami in a similar fashion.
Discussions are cool but when you become a liar, its a whole nother thing and takes the fun completely out. Show me the manga lage where he says hes 4D. Till then till im gone cause this is too toxic. You got the fanbase lying to there own community 🤦♂️
@@oreoex-rwbyhater599 Lmao you are the one who is toxic here, re read the manga and come back, smartass. Aizen one shotted the kototsu (administer of space and time in the dangai world) and Aizen one shotted this in his 2nd form now you tell me what kind of feat is that, and when Ichigo went Mugetsu Aizen directly stated that Ichigo is on another dimension/plane of existence. So go do your research before calling me a liar lmfao you narutard.
@@oreoex-rwbyhater599 ohh look at him a naruto profile pic
Good explanation,you have a deeper understanding
i like ur accent lmao it makes u sound unique unlike other youtubers who have almost same voice
I don't really agree but your logic is pretty good here and your video was really well done.
Sir which year Bleach last arc start and how many episodes in this arc have. Plz what's your opinion? By the nice video
Amazing arc and we don’t know any anime specifics yet it just comes out next year
@@kingsushi1280 this arc is final or more?
Thank you for presenting your opinion with strength & conviction.
Kubo storytells in cycles, the key info in parallels between narrative beats.
Ichigo's original bankai was shown parallel to Ishida's Letztstil. Then later confirmed to be of his quincy powers. FGT is then a similar but more advanced version, it even has parallel naming to "Last Style".
This parallelism has been present since thr fight with the menos grande, and its the basic function of GT: Ichigo drains himself of all power, focuses, then discharges it.
And yes, Aizen was right: Ichigo discharged his power while keeping all the potential. Think electrodynamics. He basically reversed thr polarity of the Quincy power suckage, making himself a massive black hole.
Everything that came after was more controlled ways to use his power without burning it away. This is also sth discussed early on in Bleach.
I always thought The Final Getsuga Tensho was the strongest all of his powers coming together.
All I have to say is that a lot of people forget that the Final Getsuga Tenshou we saw wasn't a "ғυlly reғined" spiritual pressure but was still super strong and for me I think when the anime comes out we will see more of ichigo true bankai and more.
It’s directly stated in manga that true shikai >>mugetsu there is no argument that overrides Kubos statement
Yep. He's grasping at straws. Even if we think Mugetsu is stronger than his Shikai his Bankai is 5-10 times stronger and his ressurection (hollow form) does the exact same thing. So with Horn and Bankai he's between 25-100 times stronger than his Shikai. Mugetsu isn't touching that.
Successfully persuaded. Maybe vs Aizen Final Getsuga and vs Jura Bach is comparable? So maybe now new final Getsuga is Outrageous?
I agree with this discussion. Mugetsu is strong af
Then why Ichigo didn't use Mugetsu against Yhwach?
Well it was a one time use is the canon answer.
@@metalface_villain i think the condition to use it then is because he's powers were unstable. That's why he'd ose them easily at that time because he wasn't a true shinigami.
Until the Quincy came in and started shooting out his racy with his arrows one at a time eventually stabilizing him
I believe eachigo would have had to fuse with the Hogyoku. I also believe eachigo would likely be the only one who could as he is part hollow and part soulreaper naturally. I think his Quincy powers would enhance the hogyoku as he could absorb all the reishi to feed the hogyoku making it multiply in strength. This could have potentially given eachigo so much power that nothing could stop him.
I see some similarities between Zaraki and Ichigo.
Well duh they were considered war powers, had suppressed states through out the story and are basic fighters.
the only similarities between them are they use raw strength and can't control their reiatsu.
It also explaines why a genius like Aizen always seemed incredibly disappointed in Ichigo
Ummmmm Aizen was the 4th dimension character Ichigo went beyond that. So there for Ichigo dimension was never stated. Soooooooo
But aizen isnt 4th dimensional. He said he was above shinigami and hollow amd was on a higher dimension to them *SIMILAR* to how a 4th dimensjonal beimg is above a 3rd dimensional being.
He wasnt saying he was 4D. He was just saying he was above hollow and shinigami and using that as an example.
Abyss Acnologia actually he is. He was the only one to have a “decent” 1v1 with ywach’s hax form. Oh don’t forget the dude is literally immortal and grows stronger without doing anything except to chill lmao
@@oreoex-rwbyhater599 Aizen destroying the guardian of timespace is 4th dimensional feat.
@@stern4184 Well theres different levels of dimensions. Theres 3D and then theres infinite 3D and THEN theres 4D and then rinse and repeat so aizen wodnt be true 4D just from destroying a 4D thing. In order to be 4D he would need to truly surpass/transcende time or space. Which theres no evidence for
@@oreoex-rwbyhater599 maybe but he still had 4D attack potency which is why he could destroy the cleaner in the dangai, but ichigo might be a true 4D being
Just look at the beginning of the story when Ichigo fought the menos Grande when Ichigo released The Limited power that he did have it was too much his body couldn't handle it and he was about to die
Do a vid on ichigo vs narito
Was a hollow spirit because of the soul ribbon that wraps around the handle you know a soul reapers so ribbon is red a hollows so ribbon is white a human's soul ribbon is a soul chain
Great video but the theory is flawed. When he was granted access to his hollow power to fight byukuya and kenpachi it was a portion of his hollow. No shinigami no Quincy power. When he fought ulquerra it was all vasto lorde hollow no shinigami no Quincy.
In your defense I think I Hugo would be ridiculous if he became 4th dimension every time he releases his shiki after the royal palace arc. Then we’d have to ask just how strong was juha?? I can see your point there.
Anyway thx for the video.
Didn't Yhwach already stated that the new base shikai of ichigo was = dangai?
Dangai Ichigo definitely more handsome😂
I know right?😍
Yeah and mature😍
Where to Watch Bleach Video n Manga series?
For anime at kissanime and for manga at mangapanda
@@umairauwais3422 kissmanga is better
@@napoleon8017 I didn't know that
@@umairauwais3422 Yeaaa i always watch and read there too
@@umairauwais3422 😂
If you combine the final getsuga tensho and his Quincy power
Mugetsu is Ichigo's most potent technique as it can even weaken the power of the Hogyoku which is a power that can adapt to things in a rapid and extreme pace
Though in terms of overall strength and power, according to Yhwach, True Shikai Ichigo >= Final Getsuga Tensho Ichigo as he had regained the power he used to defeat Aizen. Those words were very specific. He didn't just say shinigami powers, didn't say his previous powers, didn't mention his fullbring shinigami powers, but made a direct comparison to the power that beat Aizen.
And then Ichigo has his Horn of Salvation and Bankai on top of that Shikai
So it's TYBW
Horn of Salvation + True Bankai > True Bankai > Horn of Salvation + True Shikai > True Shikai >= Final Getsuga Tensho/Mugetsu Ichigo > Dangai Ichigo > Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo > Full Hollow/Vasto Ichigo etc
It's as simple as that:
TRUE SHIKAI>>>MUGETSU
HOS TRUE SHIKAI>>>TRUE SHIKAI
BANKAI>>>HOS TRUE SHIKAI
HOS BANKAI>>>BANKAI.
What? I don't understand what you are talking about??
Umaira Uwais whats so hard that’s pretty simple
@@umairauwais3422 these are the forms of Ichigo . HOS Horn of salvation. And going by the statement of Ywach true SHIKAI is infact more powerful then MUGETSU.
@@kingsushi1280 alright I get it already
@@kushagrasharma5402 Ohhhhhhhhhh...I just knew
are you simo kisuke cuz your voice in that channel is same as this
As a proof that his true shikai is better than his dangai form is that when he met juha bach first time he said that the denisty of ichigo's reiatsu is so thick that its taking a physical shape around him while in his dangai there wasnt a shape for his reiatsu until he took the final getsugatensho form u can see his reiatsu coming out as a shape so it seems his true bankai is x10 more powerful than his final getsugatenhso form and was so frightening that juha bach had no choice but to break it bec. If it was not enough to kill juha bach he could've kept it to see its upmost power and thats my concluding
I too think that Mugetsu is his strongest form (expect for the BBS form, that is on another level), but I disagree in one thing. In my opinion Mugetsu was the combination of the technique, hollow and Shinigaimi power, but not the Quincy power, I don't think the Quincy power was used to combine in that technique.
Mugetsu wasn't his strongest. He ignores that Ichigo wasn't using a Zanpaktou. We know that it amps your strength. Zaraki and Renji (after learning the true name) are perfect examples. Yoruichi says it's a 5-10 times multiplier learning Bankai. Then Ichigo has his ressurection form (horn of salvation mode) which is equivalent to a Bankai as well stated by multiple Espada. So with Horn and Bankai he's 25 - 100 times stronger than in Shikai. There's no way the Mugetsu at that time is as strong as EoS Ichigo in Bankai with Horn.
when bleach will be aired?
Nice video but Your entire argument falls apart because when Yhwatch met Ichigo who was in shikai
Yhwatch states Ichigo has regained the power he used to defeat aizen even contemplates the idea of this power being greater than that which is why he didn't fight Ichigo seriously until the horn appeared and busted the bankai because he was afraid of it,
so I do not believe Mugetsu Ichigo is the strongest iteration of the character maybe kubo just couldn't think of something ridiculously op for the bankai without it instantly ending the fight so he just let us know it was enough to put Yhwatch on edge this from a guy who fought ichibe with full confidence and won all while being preped for yama and the entire zero division also being able to 1 shot zaraki
That says a lot about what his true bankai might be
So does that mean we never see his true Bankai, or do we see it but not what it can do? I honestly forgot if we saw it drawn in the manga.
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If there's a true bankai maybe there's a true dangai?
Yall r forgetting some VERY important things...everyone compares the strength we see him hit aizen with but the strength he used in fgt form wasnt NEAR as much as he could have
1: he only used one hand in his attack which, as we see earlier with zaraki, u can use more power with both hands on ur weapon
2: when he struck aizen u can tell he mearly let his arm drop and released his power, whereas he would have used so much more had he actually swong his arm as if he was cutting something with a sword
so...the power we see with mugetsu Ichigo is nothing compared to what he could have done
Wola Fede Thabs here (RSA) I like your videos man, but on this 1 you missed a couple of things Yhwach 1 shooted every-one including Bankia Yama but failed to 1 shot Ichigo with fullbring Bankia,
So image this Yhwach with all his hax and power acknowledged Ichigos power That Aizen could comprehend or understand and this guy Yhwach fully acknowledges him. They tag each other and Ichigo releases his horn, Yhwach is like damn I can't keep up let me plant this to hurt his feet coz he was too fast for him and states that Ichigo has some ability to change fate and Ichigo goes Bankia Yhwach is like F@#$%^&ch no ways he breaks it, meaning he prep for 1000 years to still Yamas Bankia and went to the future to break Ichigos.
Ichigo was at the end as powerful as juha that had absorbed soul king. And u say final getsuga is stronger? Noway dude
Your accent is fine, couldn't agree more :-) but who is Heero Silver Star
In my opinion each go wasn't ready for his full power not until he went to the palace and got strong enough to handle it
Not the 4th dimension..., at the very least 5th or 6th. Reason: A regular reaper is already likely in a higher dimension from a normal human, which you may assume as 4th. They toward the end could not gauge Izen, which may have been in a higher dimension, and finally, Izen could not gauge Ichigo who was likely in an even higher dimension. .. Food for though, if not fact.
The final arc isn't the final episode final getsuga and his final rack form isn't all his powers
When you consider someones bankai as "fearsome" that means it's strong enough to kill you. Yamamoto bankai was so strong that it would be able to destroy everything. Its why he got rid of it. He even broke ichigos bankai which means this was probably going to be the final arc but made better. Probably even a better lead up too it. It was rushed yes but Ichigo didn't need his final form to win this battle all he needed was his bankai that one shots people that are beyond the fourth dimension and can see everything that will ever happen. Just sucks he didn't see that stab in the back.
What the final techtinuque Turned into a actual form
Or Ichigo became stronger than he was when he fought eyes and in their last battle
but isn't Ichigo true bankai the strongest so Yhwach can see the future of true bankai Ichigo form and he is scared ... that's why Yhwach damaged Ichigo's sword and horns before he did anything ... this is just like Yhwach cheating using his own clones and stealing Yamamoto's bankai because he was scared at first ... Yhwach had fought with Yamamoto a thousand years ago and Yhwach lost and escaped until now he has obtained Sternritter troops for revenge knowing Yamamoto's bankai and killed him without using Yamamoto's bankai ...
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I could not agree more...
This is just my personal opinion, but for me Bleach ended with the epic clash between Aizen and Ichigo.
I know this is a weird theory but I think his quincy form from BBS would have been his final form or at least similar to it
Hard to say. It's really just the form he would have taken if Yhwach had kidnapped him like he wanted before the royal guard came. He would have been very strong no doubt but with no Zanpaktou in that form it would depend on his Schrift.
I mean it pretty much is just based on his description lol
I agree that the "lost agent" bankai isn't as powerful as Final Getsuga Tenshou. I don't think Lost Agent is as powerful as Dangai Ichigo.