EVERYTHING went wrong! But it was still fun...
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- Опубликовано: 1 дек 2024
- In my continued attempt to create a sub-zero self contained loop, I learned that I still have no clue what I'm doing...
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"I just wanted to entertain you guys" Oh, you did, I don't think anything that works could entertain us at this level xD
Honestly don’t find much entertaining anymore, but this. This is it.
I couldn't have said it any better. I really enjoyed watching this.
Hilarious.
He only wanted to give us grade D content, but failed by giving us grade B+ content.
My exact thoughts 😂
Organic chemist here, when needing to keep reactions at 20ishC in a heat generating reaction we would use a dry ice and pure methanol bath. The bath would get down to -78C and be able to cool a constant reaction that if left alone would spike over 100C. Now the reaction was being performed in dichloromethane (DCM), so i don’t know what the thermal coefficient is between them but it was the standard for us. The methanol also maintains a low viscosity due to it’s freezing point around -98C. If pure metal is hard to get ahold of pure ethanol or pure acetone would work as well. No idea what it would do to the loop and pump fyi.
Acetone would melt the plastic and rot the rubber seals of the pump/tubes
@@colinpearson7584 it would swell the seals over time, but I’m not sure about them rotting out. This is also not a long term solution, the methanol will consume the dry ice very fast. You would also want to have ventilation as you will be releasing a lot more CO2 over a much shorter period of time than the glycol was.
@@colinpearson7584yeah, acetone would turn the seals and tubing into mush, but it made me wonder how isopropyl alcohol would work: IPA has a viscosity of 2 cP at 20c vs ethylene glycol having a viscosity of 16 cP at 20c.
@@kidbob44212 true, but the reason you can't use E10 petrol in older cars is because it rots the rubber seals, methanol would do the same thing
Isopropyl and distilled water mix could work but would need to get tubes, o-tings, and seals rated for use with isopropyl. The tubes and o-tings should be easy to get, not sure about the block and pump seals though.
"We currently hate these brands, and that's why I'm ok with ruining them" HAHA FUCKIN SAVAGE! I love you Jay.
I had to rewind and hear it again!
I know the Asus dramas. But what's wrong with ek?
@@krayyk7629 something about absolutly No customer service if something breaks and needs a little spare part!otherwise you have to buy a brand new aio or air cooler!
@krayyk7629 jay has a video on part of it. I wanna say something about how the company treats employees and also not paying for sponsorship stuff snd things like that?
@@krayyk7629 Jay and Steve (Gamer's Nexus) have videos on the story, but Long story short, Creators were doing sponsor work more or less pro-bono because the company was having money troubles. Turns out those troubles were so bad literally nobody but the executives were getting paid.
JayzTwoCents + Adam Savage crossover needs to happen
This!
@tested Please? I would love to see this!
Do we know of any pc related myth worth testing tho o. O
Yeah we need @tested
@@askaliu2943savage doesn't need myths anymore, he will build his own LM holster and eat up almost 2 hours on RUclips just because he could and wanterd to.
Honestly, one of the biggest reasons I like JayzTwoCents is some of the "crazy" things you try. Especially if it doesn't work or something goes wrong. A little bit of tech, a little bit of laughs, a little bit of "don't try this at home". Air compressor in a water loop? Yeah! Sub-zero loop? Yeah!
The mishaps and goof ups are what make these videos so damn good! It's not just when everything goes well. Science and experiments can and will go wrong, shit happens, but you guys made it incredibly entertaining and WELL worth the time, finances, and effort that was put in. Keep it up dudes! we need more of this, even if things don't go well lol
Nick looks like he's having the time of his life this entire video 🤣
I was going to make the same comment and I was only halfway through. Now I want a supercut of Nick loving life on this vid!
Thats how he always look lol
he is like, what the hell are we doing this for?
What you want is a heat transfer fluid with a viscosity of 0 to 10 cPs at -20C .... There are a multitude of companies that can provide you with this type of fluid. Dynalene is one that comes to mind. These viscosity curves will be in the technical data sheets of the products....oh right my credentials😅... PhD in polymer science, and 15 years experience in materials science, lubricant and polymer additives ... Cheers
When Jay says it went wrong... you know it went WRONG!
But that's the best kind of video!!! 😮😮😮😅😅😅😊😊😊
Listen Jay, It's better to try and fail than to not try at all. Experience is priceless and learning from it is what keeps us head smart.
I love the use of the $5 Lowes bucket!
That constant bubbling sound in the background gives you a real mad scientist feel.
To quote Jamie from the MythBusters, failure is always an option.
Used to be the $2 Lowes bucket. Thanks obama.
This is some National Lampoon level of "everything going wrong." Just needed a couple of random family members arguing in the background.
I was definitely entertained. Poor Nick, he looked like he was reviewing his life choices a few times in this video. 🤣Cheers!
You tried Jay, and I laughed. 😂
I love how stoic Nick is while watching Jay descent into chaos
I'm liking this new JayzTwoPains channel.
Today was a really rough day, with some bad news, and coming home to have this funny video being a bit silly was just what I needed as a pick me up. Thanks Jay!
Jay in white lab coat makes it LESS official somehow 😂
These are the best videos 👍
OK, I don't have a science license, but here's some free advice:
1. Get a bloody flow monitor. That would tell you if you have enough flow. Aquacomputer, for example.
2. Get a proper chiller. One of those Hailea aquarium chillers would do very nicely. They also have a pump which would help with flow.
3. Ditch the glycol-based coolant. Use ethyl alcohol. Start with 90% concentration, which would have a melting point of cca -100 degrees Celsius, well below dry ice. If I'm not mistaken, you can dilute it with water to 55% and it would still not freeze at -40 degrees Celsius.
4. Get proper pumps. I suggest Eheim 1262 (yes, I used it, yes it's awesome).
5. Feel free to disregard all my advice, if you wish. It's fine. I don't mind at all.
Good luck!
I love these types of videos where this kind of at home science is done.
Side note, from my research in the past about fluids and materials that work at various temperatures to move heat, the heat capacity of things is another consideration alongside how quickly it can pick up and dissapate the heat. My search quickly lead me into a realm of materials science I was not prepared for.
My background:
Marine engineer, which is a fancy way of saying "ship engine room janitor"... And self taught pc nerd.
My tips:
1. Stick to a mix with mostly water, as the heat capacity of this substance is amazing. No coincidence that we use H2O for so much.
Ratio of 90/10 water/antifreeze might be a place to start, and dilute if there's flow issues. Maybe add salt to further decrease freezing point. (Beware of corrosion.)
2. Cooling? Approx a bathtub of water ice mix. As ice melts it draws out huge amounts of energy.
3. Increase flow over the CPU/GPU, maybe having two pumps in serial, one before and one after the bathtub coil.
try to get -45 Degree Windshield washer fluid. I've used that here in Canada and held -30c using an MCP655 pump. Just be sure to fill the electronics side of the pump with non-conductive thermal compound....
Yup, that stuff is a 45/55% mix of water and Ethylene Glycol. 100% Glycol (like they were using) has a freezing point of -11c.
@@Anaerin No. Winshield washer fluid is a dilution of methanol (methyl alcohol) and water.
I highly doubt he'd be able to get -45 degree windshield washer fluid in California. It's a good suggestion, but I don't know even know if he can get it in Cali. Could order it online, but that's up in the air.
@@WildRapier Nope, in EU it does not contain any alcohol, and is sold by BP, not smell .... -40C - to +20? I am worried about higher temps more than lower ones.
@@Anaerin yeah, a bit ironically they would have had a lower freezing point by adding water to their mixture and a lower viscosity too.
More Jay doing Jay things... And I'm here for it. Bring us whatever results you get from whatever creative ideas you have.
PS: No one can stop watching a train wreck in progress, and you and your team makes it so entertaining.
I think this is one of the funniest videos of the last weeks 😄
"The greatest teacher, failure is." ~~ Yoda
With Nick wearing his lab coat buttoned, at first I thought he was wearing a chef jacket 😂
Very smart of him to actually button it.
Jay, there's a reason why your car (which can/does operate in freezing temps) uses a 50/50 mix of EthylGlycol/Water. Either material by itself will freeze at near the same temps (0 C for water, -13 C for EG). However, when mixed with a 60%EG/40%H2O, it drops down to the -45 C range.
I'm not a science guy, but this is what I learned in Chemistry in high school. And of course, some simple google searching would have shown you what you needed. As someone mentioned below, you could also use some alcohols, of course the reason they don't use that is autos is simple corrosion and flammability.
"Are you not entertained?" - Maximus Decimus Meridius. 192 A.D.
ok i came home from a small "drink" with a friend, (i am from europe so time is about 8h forward) and i see this... and i lovved it, i was so baked that i almost laughed the whole time about the project, BECAUSE i find it absolutely amazing!!
sorry 4 my bad english/grammar ^^
Maybe 6 hour difference?
@@noneyabizz8337 Since the majority of European countries is in the Central European Timezone, so UTC+1, it would be even 9 hours time difference between CET and California West Coast Time (whatever that timezone is correctly called lol)
@@MagiconIce he's east coast
YAY!!! moreeee !! I enjoy this madcap kind of episodes !!
@0:56
Thermofisher has a -10°C unit that dissipates 2kw...
Science that $#!+ and see if their unit can tame the thread ripper 🤔
Thank you for sharing the difficulty you are having with the experiment with sub zero cooling.
I found it very entertaining.
It was also a good learning experience for me.
Use Denatured Alcohol. Back in the late 90's early 2000 we home built water blocks and used freeze trays from a mini fridge to super cool alcohol which was pumped using a koi pond pump bought at lowes. It would be freezing the condensation in the air underneath the cpu and we had to cut neoprene mouse pads and use them as space fillers to take up that space to eliminate freezing. We were running 400 celerons or Pentium III's at stupid speeds. Ever heard of the Computerator (computer-refrigerator), that build is where that came from.
Would the denatured alcohol destroy the tubes or seals and o-rings? If not, then that's a great suggestion.
In Linus’s chilled threadripper video, he said that antifreeze gets viscous and used windshield deicer instead because it stays liquid all the way down to almost -50C.
The 14900k is very hard to cool because of the small die. There just isn’t enough surface area to move heat effectively.
Threadripper does much better because the heat is spread out across the whole die.
funny thing my ASUS did the same thing..worked then suddenly stopped...happened to TWO asus back to back. The original and the RMAed one.
I would say water with ~23% ammonia give about a -57F freezing point with a fairly high thermal capacity(close to pure water). But ammonia and copper dont play well with each other as well as being toxic. Just ethanol and dry ice has about half the thermal capacity of water plus its fairly cheap at Home Depot or Lowes and can go down to -173F.
Dowtherm is a heating/cooling fluid that is used in industrial HVAC applications, it has a low viscosity similar to kerosene @ -100F, it is also used in food grade environments due to it's comparatively lower toxicity.
Dowtherm is Ethylene Glycol based.
@@WildRapier just because it's glycol based doesn't mean it won't work. Dowtherm RP has a liquid phase down to -20C, it's really just a branding title like Slytherm which is silicone based and liquid at -40C. all about the chemical make-up, not the specific component ingredient properties.
@@bliska8434 You actually believe that?! Then you ARE lost! I have a ChemE background, I can do the math on solutions based on the known percentages of the components involved in the solution. That's actually how it would be calculated. It's that simple, the math is simple, and doesn't even require calculus!
Advice for running 2 pumps in series: don't pump into a reservoir. Mount 2nd pump with a direct mount. And additionally if you really have to have 2 reserviors, don't leave the 2nd one open, because all the fluid will spit out of it instead of going further into the loop. Also if you need that 2nd reservior, fill it without leaving any air inside, so air doesn't create cushioning effect, stealing from your pressure.
Science :D And hey its a learning curve. If you are willing to try and see how it works, you can make sense of why certain things have been done and others were avoided! Learning is fun
"Methanol-Water" is what I keep seeing all over the internet articles. "Data on Coolants and Liquids Used in Computer Watercooling" from Overclockers has a lot of useful stuff.
Just recently it has been switched to ethanol and had been proven to work even better. I'm also talking about geothermal systems
@@maxell3655 Ethanol has a lower freezing point as well, -114.1 C as opposed to -97.6 C. Methanol is fairly toxic too!
@@WildRapierisopropyl works well too. Dry ice will only ever get isopropyl to -78C , other alcohols dry ice actually won’t get them as cold
Step one, put on aircooling block, step two, dunk whole system in bucket of 100% glycol, step 3 add dry ice and stir vigorously, step 4 POWER!!!!!
I'm curious to see how a methanol based loop would perform. You could even do 50/50 methanol and water or glycol if you're worried about flammability. Also use ethylene glycol or triethylene glycol.
Anything that is that flammable isn't going to be great for cooling. Methanol evaporates at room temperature, so what would happen is the methanol would evaporate on contact with the cold plate, creating a pressurized system.
@@mikeford963 that’s overblown and wouldn’t be a concern. Alcohol used to be used as a coolant in vehicles. I wouldn’t worry about short bursts (high score runs) but I obviously wouldn’t want to run it 24/7.
@@SOCMMOB Used to be. Key words. Methanol/ethanol isn't stable enough to act as a good coolant. Besides it's flammability, once it turns to a gas, it also leaches out the pores in rubber that a liquid obviously can't. Hell, even AIO's can have it happen with their fluids.
@@mikeford963 If methanol or ethanol wasn't that good at heat transfer and be a problem in other ways like you say, why was methanol the most common fluid used in geothermal heat pumps for ground loops and lake loops which operates on heat transfer to work properly but have recently switched to ethanol because it performs better? Ethanol is actually fantastic for heat transfer. It out performs glycol. Yes it is used in climates where the temperature can get down to -50 or colder and doesn't have an issue
@@maxell3655 That's because Ethanol doesn't freeze. Ammonia is a great chiller too, but because of it's own hazards, it's not widely used. Maybe look into some of the certifications needed to be able to service those systems compared to glycol and you'll understand WHY they aren't readily used in the civilian world.
TO quote the narrator of DOOM 2016 "He choose the path of perpetual torment"
This is prime content Jay.. I like it lol
"I just wanted to entertain you guys!"
I think you succeeded. LMAO
I found this to be EXTREMELEY entertaining.
This is the comment I came for
Little known fact. Straight antifreeze can turn to slush, needs distilled water in the mix to stay liquid. 50/50 mix is recommended for most winter applications for vehicles. Jaystwocents is the best. Glad to hear your health is improving.
Windshield washer fluid or winterizer. Good to -40 or lower. AND ITS CHEAP!!!
I love this. This is like everything that can go wrong does go wrong, and Jay has to figure it out to make it work again. Also, I would recommend this video to everyone that want to do a little overclocking with dry ice.
P.S.: If you want coolant for sub-zero cooling, you should try vodka. It sounds crazy, but it works.
I think the OC gods were just F'ing with you today, at least they had fun.
Jay, the video didn't suck, it was awesome! Thanks for the laughs you gave us 😄
I have a feeling that because the water is subzero and the fins have not been perfectly smoothed over, the water is still crashing into the uneven surface and freezing. It is like the water bottles that are sub-zero temperatures and then a knock causes it to freeze. A solution to this could be adding a bunch of salt to the water to depress the freezing point, but do keep in mind that this probably causes whole other issues for electronics and microorganisms.
He's not running water.
I guess salt water WOULD work, until it chewed through all the metal.
Salt water will still freeze long before the temps he’s trying to achieve.
He was using 100% ethylene glycol. Not water.
Jay: This thing can pull up to 700W under full load (holds up water block) Me: Damn, that must be some crazy RGB then 🎆
0:09 Jay giving off Red Green vibes.
What a great show!
If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.
I feel like there was a missed opportunity for a movie quote... "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"
Salt water also has a lower freezing temp than water alone. I wonder if that would help at all. Also, on your loop. Put a ball valve or whatever type of valve you want, and have it under the level of the water in the bucket. With having that good of a pump, you can bleed off some of the head pressure and use it to circulate the glycol/water etc. It will also help bleed and empty the loop. Also, as I edit this for the third time, look in to data center water cooling. I know they use specialized equipment and coolers. Yes, I know they are probably expensive, but I am sure there are used ones out there by now.
Salt is also VERY corrosive and conductive so a failure in the loop like what happened would have killed all the hardware right away
@@OldPoi77 We are not talking dead sea levels of salt. It wouldn't have been any different. We are just trying to figure out different ways and what lowers the temperature, or what liquid is stable at a low or sub zero temp. Science is about trying ideas, not about making mistakes.
Are you not entertained? Actually yes. Keep breaking shit. LOL
Why not just make a basic AC unit with an old frig pump and butane as the refrigerant? The block would be the cold side of the loop. Butane doesn't need such high pressures as propane or r32 to work effectively.
butane is a wonderful refrigerant. used to spray it in ziplock bags as a child just to watch it boil when you pinch the bag lol.
Glycol will gel up as it gets super cold.
You really should try dry ice + isopropyl alcohol. Should stay liquid at dry ice temps.
Dr. Overclockemall?
Hell yea brother!
@@makipsee I've found my people!!! 🤣
@@twolilsnails haha yeaaa man!
Hell yuh brother
@@Saddedude Do it for Dale!
Chemical engineer here. Temperature control systems in industry often use silicone based heat transfer fluids, such as Syltherm XLT. These are meant for cryogenic applications with good results ( freezing point is around-100degc). Beware though, it is flammable with a flash point of approx 50degC and auto ignition temp of ca. 350degc so it is also used in ATEX environments. Given how this video went, I'd think 2995721 times before using this solution 😅. Loved it, though. Jank setups and fiddling around are what keeps me going when dealing with so many regulations every day!
Jeez, why would you go through all this trouble? Just use a LN2 pot and fill it with isopropyl alcohol or acetone as the medium + dry ice.
This. I guess he tried to build a "closed loop" but that doesn't make much sense if you have to top up with dry ice every few minutes.. He should just buy a good single stage or cascade at this point, some can get down to dice temps (and even lower without a thermal load).
This is why I think Jay is the greatest Tech RUclipsr. This is amazing content. The hilarious "fails". Keep it up guys!
You might want to run 99% Isopropyl Alcohol.
From what I remember you should be good up to -45 C.
(Important) make sure there is no water in the loop)
windshield deicer fluid works for me
I have definitely been entertained by this!! lol. The wild overclocks are fun but you guys being you is always a good time!! lol. Love you guys!
IM EARLY
Best video I have seen that made me laugh in a while. I love seeing people geek out over hobbies. It's my favorite hobby.
quite entertaining :)
16:30 Nick: "What am I doing with my life?"
Bio ethanol would be a good bet. Because of its low freezing point of −114 °C (−173 °F) and low toxicity, ethanol is sometimes used in laboratories (with dry ice or other coolants) as a cooling bath to keep vessels at temperatures below the freezing point of water.
the drill with the agitator firing up was when this bridged into comedy and I love it
Jay doing his best Maximus impression: "Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?"
This is the kind of backyard science I love.
It’s not good science but it’s a lot of fun and that’s what’s important. ❤❤❤
This episode rocked. Good to see you all experimenting and having fun. Smile Jay, you did good bruh.
Possible Coolant consideration: Ethyl Alcohol Water Mix, you should be able to hit a percent mix that isn't flammable and won't freeze (50/50 gives you -32C/-25F but may light on fire). The viscosity of the water alcohol mix will probably be easier to work with at --40 than the ethylene glycol is at room temp :P.
It very likely will do horrible things to oring-s possibly some types of tubing and whatnot but for what your trying to do might just do the thing!
Ohh my... One big leap of science... Not only entertaining, but very interesting while also info about thought process of that experiment... Very interesting and very good work from all of you... Many thanks from me... PS I know i know, using ... is just a tick i have had all the time...
My favourite type of content! XOC is back!!!
"All aboard for science!" *choo-chooo* 😂
...
maybe a good ring tone!
Absolutely loved this video. It may not have gone as expected but honestly i think that is half of the entertainment!
probably the most chaotic video Jay has done in a while lol
This is 100% the content I come here for. If this had gone flawlessly it just wouldn't be what it was.
I laughed so much I water-cooled my pants! :>D
I have to say that your goal of entertaining was well and truly met. It made me forget my struggles for a moment, so thank you.
When I did dry ice bucket cooling with a copper coil, I did a 60/40 mix of antifreeze and water in the loop. The 60/40 mix flowed through the fins of the CPU and GPU blocks without much issue. That's good for about -55C and a pair of D5 pumps had no issue pumping it for short periods of time. If your loop target is -20C, you can use less antifreeze and get better flow. I had the D5 pumps on the return side of the loop going to the bucket. The D5 pumps can have issues with condensation if you run them with sub zero coolant for too long. I used acetone in the bucket with the dry ice, however, that may not be safe for your indoor setup.
Abbott and Costello of the tech world!! Love to see these 2 do videos again!!!
This video is a lot of fun. It's great seeing you guys play around. And it's not because I like to see you fail. Good luck with future videos.
When Jay and Crew bring out the Labcoats, stuff get's interesting and intense really quick! XD
Have you guys ever seen Taskmaster? 2 people competing in a challenge to build a pc, or setup a watercooling system, but with lots of traps / pitfalls in the task/equipment/rules would be a lot of fun!
Honestly one of the best videos ive seen in the past month.
Please keep the weird experiments coming! Do the (stuff) we wouldnt!
This was one of the most entertaining episodes. Love the fact you put this out and didn’t throw it out
Im so happy to see Jay and hes experiments!! Love your cooling vídeos!!!!!!
I legitimately love jayztwoscience, you scratch that mad science itch. Love you jay, keep up the good work
Also, I literally feel this way at my job, I build,repair,modify classic cars all day. I also unbork peoples bad ideas
In big chillers we use a glucometer so we can get the mixture just right for good thermal transfer and keep the water from freezing
As long as is not a permanent loop and you don't mind risking some corrosion you could use salt/water solutions to decrese water freezing point in the main loop while mantaining a low viscosity. A simple NaCl/H2O mixture has an Eutectic point below -20C at around 20%mass concentration, changing salt you can reach up to around -50C with CaCl2
One of the greatest videos, YET! Thank you for the entertainment!
Well, I certainly LOL'd a good bit @14:20 mostly cause that's one of my worst fears with liquid cooling! Not a failed video for entertainment! Great Video guys!
A negative result is still a result! Data is Data. Still entertaining: I got some good chuckles in!!
That was hilarious 😂 now everything will forever be sticky 😂
I did my first ever Custom Loop build the other day and went straight in with the double bends. The plan was to build a Mclaren F1 themed Pc and it seems to have paid off wonders. I had the time, patience and money to keep going through the tubes to get it right. But it was so worth it :D Just need to get the coolant the right shade of Orange for that ultimate Mclaren themed colour.
Thanks for all your help Jay
This is why we love you jay, You and gamers nexus are all aboiut us the consumer and we need advocates like you guys. Video was great by the way.
Use ethanol dedicated for use in a loop of you can, if not, you can get methanol. The properties are slightly different for a loop system compared to automotive so you may have to talk to your hvac guy and see if he can get you a 5 gallon pail or less if they have some leftover from a geothermal application
Even epic failures are very entertaining! I consider this a win! You gly-called that one at the right time, now you know several ways how not to chill your system at least.
after a rough day at work, this is the video I needed for a good laugh. Thanks Jay