But didn't Patek come out recently declaring their water-resistance to be *actual* water resistance, and not the pressurized equivalent? Meaning that their 30m means you can actually dive to 30m with it ...
Marco!! You’re spot on man with everything you said! I own aquanaut 5167A and paid over double retail for it as well as a few modern Cartiers. The Aquanaut is not worth the money although I love it. It’s just that I wanted a sports watch from Patek to add to the complication and grand complications that I have as well as a Calatrava and an Ellipse and couldn’t justify the price of a Nautilus. I love rubber straps and use after market ones for all my Rolex watches cuz it makes the wearing experience much nicer, therefore I bought that Aquanaut. I never got into the rabbit hole of vintage Cartier for the exact reason you mentioned, which is the quality of their movements and water resistance that makes the watch unwearable. I got into ordering those pieces from the new catalog that is not available for most people. I find the crash a hype watch and probably one of the least appealing designs from Cartier. RM prices are not justifiable and I don’t think it’s just the RM11, it’s just all not justifiable and I’m mind boggled about why these watches cost so much regardless of the innovation and material. Growing up in the Middle East and living for over a decade in Dubai, I still never understood why these Omani Khanjar stamped on a dial or engraved on the case back should make any difference at all in the price. Well I think the same concept applies to Tiffany or Gueblin stamps too. It’s just an excuse and a hype created by grey market dealers to maximise their profit. Roger Smith is overpriced and is not worth the money. I appreciate his art but I believe he is charging too much for it. Great content! I’m a big fan. Good luck.
I couldn't agree more Marc ...! I never liked the look of a RM to begin with... AND yep that Patek way over priced... Spot on Marco and your presentation here is flawless, excellent video...! You're in my neck of the woods now LOL ... I need to drop in on you sometime... Greg
Interesting choices. Totally agree on the Aquanaut. Valuations getting a free ride off of the Nautilus unavailability. It is a nicely molded rubber strap though 🤣
Dude, you have to stop apologizing. You undermine your own credibility when you keep saying "just my opinion," "for me personally," "you may see it differently," etc etc etc. We get it: it's YOUR opinion. Give it a rest...
Rogers Smith made 18 watches last year (not 80-100)- up from around 12 a few years ago - he has a team and premises to pay for and my god the quality is terrific ! A watch takes utpo a year to make and the guy that makes it does everything
Completely agree with the 5167, coming from someone that owned it. A 3rd generation Overseas or an AP15300 is much more watch for the money. One in particular to me that I can't comprehend the secondary value is the Daytona LeMans. I've never handled one, but this piece goes for about triple retail. Great vid Marco.
The regular Daytona has the lowest supply out of the Rolex pro range, so the LM which is the rarest of Daytonas with a very limited production (the white gold 126529 was discontinued after less than a year, and the current yellow gold 126528 has only been around for less than 6 months and appears to be even more scarce), it's no surprise. And the celebration story, open caseback and revised 4132 movement all add to the hype. Completely agree with the 5167. I've tried one on and although it wears well and has amazing finishing on the movement and case as you'd expect from Patek, it still feels very underwhelming. I find it expensive for MSRP (basically the price of a pre-owned 126500...), let alone for twice MSRP. But with that said I don't think "value" is ever a valid point when it comes to luxury goods. They aren't necessities, you buy what you love at the price you can stomach. You will always find a watch with a better value proposition, all the way down to a Casio F91W.
Thank you for the continued support brother! The Lemans is nice but definitely don't understand triple retail lol. But I guess it doesn't matter as I will never be able to afford one lol. Appreciate you 🙏
Marco, I couldn't agree more as a watch collector. Regarding the 5167A I never owned one but i have a 5168G in blue and i almost never wear it because it just doesn't do anything for me. Thankfully, i got it retail from my AD though.
Obviously you are very safe having bought it from your AD. 5168 is a great watch but I just don't see it being worth $70k+ on the secondary market. Just not my thing personally. Glad you enjoyed this 🙏
@MarcoFerranteWatches fyi, I had purchased a few nice VCs from Burdeens including an overseas perpetual skeleton in rose with blue dial (or whatever dial is left)
Thank you for sharing your bold, honest and courageous opinion. I am so glad to hear that there is at least one more person who has similar opinion as mine:)
Absolutely love the Odysseus! This may be surprising but my favorite is actually the white gold version on rubber. Cheaper and better than an Aquanaut!! Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Hey Marco, Great video. Tiffany stamped watches, especially Patek? Future secondary prices on the Cubitus? Not the same hype as Nautilus secondary prices in a year or so? Keep up the good work.
Tiffany Stamp, Gubelin stamp and others are objectively rare and not done often so I understand the premium even if I wouldn't pay it. Hard to know future of Cubitus. Thank you for the continued support 🙏
I have a huge watch collection with very rare and expensive pieces BUT the Aquanaut 5167a is my absolute favorite watch BECAUSE it is so simple and easy to wear
Another way of looking at the aquanaut and the Nautilus is comparing it to the sub vs gmt. The gmt is pretty much the same watch as the sub just different bezel and gmt hand yet sells almost double retail grey market with the Pepsi and batman. I look at the aquanaut like an alternative to the nautilus for folks who don't want an integrated bracelet but still want Patek prominence that's wearable everyday. That clearly comes with a cost. It's a great addition and alternative to all the dress watch only ethos that Patek have.
I do feel this comparison is apt although I'd say the Sub is more iconic than the GMT while the Aquanaut is not more iconic than the Nautilus. But your point is not lost on me and I don't disagree. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Spot on video! I don’t understand the whole Cartier vintage Mike Nouveau scene. He’s a great salesman though. Free merch and business class flights to Swiss compliments of Cartier and Hermes. I’m sure these watches he pushes suffer in value post sale from the new owner.
Have to agree re: Cartier. Like there’s nothing wrong with them, but they’re so trendy it would hard for them not to be overrated. And, yeah, I don’t understand the Aquanaut secondary market prices. But I also don’t understand why grey market Daytona’s trade at roughly the same prices as VC Overseas Chronographs.
I think the key takeaway would be to stick with the icons and classics within the brand. Cartier would be the Tank and Santos. Patek would be the Nautilus in a complication and any perpetual calendar chronograph or minute repeater. Rolex has quite a few icons but the best would be Daytona and Submariner. I could go on and on.
Totally agree with you. I'd take an Overseas over an aquanaut any day of the week and it comes with a bracelet, rubber and leather strap lol. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Another great video. I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis. The time only nautilus is insanely overpriced even at it's retail price. I basically dislike all Richard Mille watches, I think they are ugly as can be but do have some interesting technology but the 11 is really bad when a basic movement is used. I was a little shocked to hear that Roger Smith watches had reached that level of price. I am a huge fan of Roger Smith watches, the quality is as good as it gets but the last time I looked at prices, which was a couple years ago, the 3 hand watch with a date was in they $175k range. Now they are $400k+, that seems a little outrageous and also the last time I heard, they were making 12 watches a year, is it really 12 a month now? Anyway, another spot on video.
I think my numbers were inaccurate in terms of production of Roger Smith. I know he expanded his workforce and is able to make more than 1 watch per month but supposedly it is no more than 3 watches per month. I think that solidifies my point even further despite me getting the figures incorrect in the video. And totally agree the price is simply outrageous now. Thank you for the support on the video 🙏
Could not agree more! 5170P I believe is now around the same price as a 5711 blue dial and that should flat out be a crime against humanity as I think the 5170P is one of the most beautiful Pateks ever made. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
some controversial choices. But this was a good video. You have good reasoning behind all your opinions. Even if a lot of these models collectors are very fond of.
Under rated and value priced pieces would include: 36mm Rolex Day-Date double quickset ref. 18238, 36mm DateJust pieces from mid-eighties to late nineties in steel or 18k/steel, 90’s-early 2000’s Omega Speedmasters and those years in Patek annual calendars ☝🏻😉
I don’t understand why you think that the rarity of Roger W. Smith watches is somehow in tension with their prices climbing into the stratosphere. I would think those two facts are directly correlated.
I've recently began my obsession as a watch collector. And i must say- out of all the luxury brands I've been researching, for me the MAMACOO's watches are the most intriguing.
RW Smith makes 10-12 watches per year - and his order book is full for the remainder of his life. The prices kind of make sense when demand is that high...
That simply isn't the case. He produces multiple watches per month as he's expanded his atelier and his order book is open again as many customers have cancelled their order due to the price increases.
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The only think I can add regarding RM, when you are wearing other beautiful watches, people look at the watch, when you wear an RM, people look at the man. That’s the value. Personally I prefer my watches underrated and would rather that no one knows what I’m wearing, except for Cartier. Can’t help but love their designs. The Santos and the Tank are perfection.
I wonder if anyone here has ever seen an RM in person/ tried one on etc. Marco is astute enough to recognize the innovation they’ve brought to the industry. Only commenting on a small segment of their offerings negatively.
Excerpt from a watch magazine- a bit of a pushback on the anti outsourced movement view: “the aesthetics and materials of the RMCA4 are vastly different from its base - with largely skeletonised components, the usage of titanium for the bridges, and a plethora of custom components such as its variable geometry winding rotor. Nonetheless, the VMF 6710 is its foundation. So both the base and how Richard Mille ran with it, deserve huge props and offer a perfect example of how purely in-house can be overrated and how a manufacture can make a sourced design very much their own.”
Regardless, the base movement - no matter how modified - is still a Parmigiani movement. I have no trouble using an off the shelf movement. I do have a problem paying $150k for such a watch. Just my opinion. Personally I do not care for the "In-House" movement craze. I think it is ridiculous. Hope my point is not lost on you and hope you enjoyed this video 🙏
@@MarcoFerranteWatches I gotcha but isn’t a heavily reworked version of a high quality movement a high quality product? Just bought a current release of the RM 010 with the Vaucher movement. Feel like you do that the in house thing is overrated which I why I’m ok with this type of collaboration.
Richard Mille look like watches off Temu, with thousands of Chinese me too examples. It does not ooze class. It’s intersting, I’m not as convinced by secondary prices. A friend of mine struggled to find a shop that was willing to buy his.
Haha fair enough. I totally disagree but respect your opinion. Richard Mille is still quite liquid on the secondary market, it just depends on pricepoints. There is a big range in terms of what most dealers feel comfortable stocking these watches at. Hope you enjoyed this video 🙏
Keep up the great work, Marco. Agree with your thoughts on the Patek pieces. I'd go with proper complications when getting this brand but not time only pieces.
I absolutely love watches, the high end watch brands are out of my budget but the MAMACOO has literally an almost duplicate of every single watch on the market . Always a great but no matter your budget.
I’ve owned a Cartier Tank Chronograph and Rolex Daytona for over 15 years and had never owned or tried on any other higher end brands until about 6 months ago. I was in a high end grey market dealer KK in Mayfair and I got to try on a Patek Philippe Aquanaut Chronograph in Rose gold with the brown dial and strap and was extremely impressed. I then went into AP in Harrods a couple of months ago and got to try on 2 Different Royal Oaks and got to register my interest in them (they may never arrive 😂) I have to say that the service that I received in the AP boutique there was 2nd to none.
That's surprising regarding AP and I'm glad to hear it! The Aquanaut chronos are really nice. I've handled all of them except for the rose gold model and was always impressed. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
@@MarcoFerranteWatchesdon’t get me wrong, the GMT function definitely has a one up on the sub, but the monochrome look of the sub allows it to be worn with anything. The colourful bezel of the GMT does restrict it just a little.
How about underpriced and underrated... That's more where I'm shopping at 😂
EXACTLY
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Video about this exact topic is incoming in the next few weeks. Please stay tuned! 🙏
@@MarcoFerranteWatches 🫡
@@MarcoFerranteWatchesyou look constipated me lad, stealing all the leads 🎉🎉🎉
Tiffany stamps are the proof that rich people are easy to impress
Says a guy who probably owns a G-Shock!
Collectors listen to salespeople
@@pt8208 now thats hysterically funny 🤣🤣🤣
It’s just about exclusivity and flex.
@@BobbyDazzler888 Amature, uninformed-unknowledgable collectors, yes.
The aquanot. 30m water resistance for a water themed watch.
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But didn't Patek come out recently declaring their water-resistance to be *actual* water resistance, and not the pressurized equivalent? Meaning that their 30m means you can actually dive to 30m with it ...
No, it's 120m. 30m became the default standard for Patek but it's 120m
@davecorry7723 who's diving with a bezel-less watch?
Hard to disagree.. hope you enjoyed this 🙏
How does RM get a pass for using non in-house movements from renaud & papi and parmigani
Marco!! You’re spot on man with everything you said! I own aquanaut 5167A and paid over double retail for it as well as a few modern Cartiers. The Aquanaut is not worth the money although I love it. It’s just that I wanted a sports watch from Patek to add to the complication and grand complications that I have as well as a Calatrava and an Ellipse and couldn’t justify the price of a Nautilus. I love rubber straps and use after market ones for all my Rolex watches cuz it makes the wearing experience much nicer, therefore I bought that Aquanaut. I never got into the rabbit hole of vintage Cartier for the exact reason you mentioned, which is the quality of their movements and water resistance that makes the watch unwearable. I got into ordering those pieces from the new catalog that is not available for most people. I find the crash a hype watch and probably one of the least appealing designs from Cartier. RM prices are not justifiable and I don’t think it’s just the RM11, it’s just all not justifiable and I’m mind boggled about why these watches cost so much regardless of the innovation and material. Growing up in the Middle East and living for over a decade in Dubai, I still never understood why these Omani Khanjar stamped on a dial or engraved on the case back should make any difference at all in the price. Well I think the same concept applies to Tiffany or Gueblin stamps too. It’s just an excuse and a hype created by grey market dealers to maximise their profit. Roger Smith is overpriced and is not worth the money. I appreciate his art but I believe he is charging too much for it. Great content! I’m a big fan. Good luck.
Aquanaut is gorgeous, & agree a good rubber strap is a game changer.
Thank you for the support brother I'm glad you enjoyed this. Agree and good to hear a lot of your points, thank you for sharing 🙏
Your videos are full of wisdom, thanks!
Thank you so much for the support and kind words! 🙏
An articulate and intelligent video. A pleasure to watch.
Thank you! 🙏
I see a Marco video I upvote and comment. It's really a simple process.
Thank you so much for the continued support brother! 🙏
I was at Leonard before and I am so glad that I found this.
Agree here , 5167 worth retail value or a bit over all day . Nice video Marco !
Thank you brother 🙏
goodjob son... totaly agree on the hyped watches, beter a nice complication, some extra difficulties ,thats nice 👍👍
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I love watching your videos and MAMACOO to keep myself updated on the world of watches
Great video Marco, agree on Patek aquanaut and nautilus 100%
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I agree completely. These are the absurd of the absurd in terms of pricing.
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Love your channel with so many stellar watches! For me the MAMACOO’ watch is my favorite. Keep the videos coming. Thanks.
Thank you very much! Liked, subscribed and shared. My absolute favorite RUclips channel by far.
I couldn't agree more Marc ...! I never liked the look of a RM to begin with... AND yep that Patek way over priced... Spot on Marco and your presentation here is flawless, excellent video...! You're in my neck of the woods now LOL ... I need to drop in on you sometime... Greg
Sure thing Greg! Feel free to stop in anytime I'm at the 120 E Oak St location. Glad you enjoyed this 🙏
Thanks Marco. Wishing you well.
Thank you! 🙏
Where is burdeens located.
Couldn’t agree with you more Marco! Good luck at Burdeens !
Keep it up Marco! Loved the vid
Thank you! 🙏
Great vid. I totally agree with you. These watches are really all hype. Nice, but hyped
Thank you! 🙏
Great video Marco👍🏽
Thank you! 🙏
Interesting choices. Totally agree on the Aquanaut. Valuations getting a free ride off of the Nautilus unavailability. It is a nicely molded rubber strap though 🤣
I like complications but on the Aquanaut it looks good as is on brown rubber but not for over 30k.
Lol yes comfortable watch no doubt. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Dude, you have to stop apologizing. You undermine your own credibility when you keep saying "just my opinion," "for me personally," "you may see it differently," etc etc etc. We get it: it's YOUR opinion. Give it a rest...
Canadians tend to do this lol
weird to be triggered by this
@@blakeacheson"triggered???" Is that really what you want to call it? Gee, tell me more about me. You seem to have keen insights into my psyche...
Rogers Smith made 18 watches last year (not 80-100)- up from around 12 a few years ago - he has a team and premises to pay for and my god the quality is terrific ! A watch takes utpo a year to make and the guy that makes it does everything
Great video.I couldn’t disagree with any of your comments and observations.
Thank you! 🙏
Good work Marco !!!
Completely agree with the 5167, coming from someone that owned it. A 3rd generation Overseas or an AP15300 is much more watch for the money. One in particular to me that I can't comprehend the secondary value is the Daytona LeMans. I've never handled one, but this piece goes for about triple retail. Great vid Marco.
What made you sell it? Did you not like it overtime?
The regular Daytona has the lowest supply out of the Rolex pro range, so the LM which is the rarest of Daytonas with a very limited production (the white gold 126529 was discontinued after less than a year, and the current yellow gold 126528 has only been around for less than 6 months and appears to be even more scarce), it's no surprise. And the celebration story, open caseback and revised 4132 movement all add to the hype.
Completely agree with the 5167. I've tried one on and although it wears well and has amazing finishing on the movement and case as you'd expect from Patek, it still feels very underwhelming. I find it expensive for MSRP (basically the price of a pre-owned 126500...), let alone for twice MSRP.
But with that said I don't think "value" is ever a valid point when it comes to luxury goods. They aren't necessities, you buy what you love at the price you can stomach. You will always find a watch with a better value proposition, all the way down to a Casio F91W.
Apparently Genta hated the Aquanaut. That should tell you something.
Daytona is so well designed & feels & looks so iconic. It needs to be in the 18k range for steel.
Thank you for the continued support brother! The Lemans is nice but definitely don't understand triple retail lol. But I guess it doesn't matter as I will never be able to afford one lol. Appreciate you 🙏
Marco, I couldn't agree more as a watch collector. Regarding the 5167A I never owned one but i have a 5168G in blue and i almost never wear it because it just doesn't do anything for me. Thankfully, i got it retail from my AD though.
Obviously you are very safe having bought it from your AD. 5168 is a great watch but I just don't see it being worth $70k+ on the secondary market. Just not my thing personally. Glad you enjoyed this 🙏
@MarcoFerranteWatches I agree 100%
@MarcoFerranteWatches fyi, I had purchased a few nice VCs from Burdeens including an overseas perpetual skeleton in rose with blue dial (or whatever dial is left)
Kanjar stamped dials. Biggest luxury bazaar scam going.
Thanks for the review, appreciated and agree.
Totally agreed! Thanks.
Thank you for the support 🙏
Happy Burdeens picked u you. Congrats
Thank you very much for the continued support! 🙏
Couldn't agree more, I do have a Studio Underdog Watermelon gen 3 on order for delivery in March 2025. Cost £550.00p, good value! 😁
Thank you for sharing your bold, honest and courageous opinion. I am so glad to hear that there is at least one more person who has similar opinion as mine:)
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed this video 🙏
Hey Marco, what do you think of the Odysseus?
Lange after sales service and service quality is terrible. Look it up. So many people complaining
Absolutely love the Odysseus! This may be surprising but my favorite is actually the white gold version on rubber. Cheaper and better than an Aquanaut!! Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
@ isn’t it still 50+?
@@rxurph I sold one recently for $48,000
Hey Marco, Great video. Tiffany stamped watches, especially Patek? Future secondary prices on the Cubitus? Not the same hype as Nautilus secondary prices in a year or so? Keep up the good work.
Tiffany Stamp, Gubelin stamp and others are objectively rare and not done often so I understand the premium even if I wouldn't pay it. Hard to know future of Cubitus. Thank you for the continued support 🙏
I have a huge watch collection with very rare and expensive pieces BUT the Aquanaut 5167a is my absolute favorite watch BECAUSE it is so simple and easy to wear
Another great video!
Thank you brother! 🙏
Wow, Marco, what a great, refreshing video!
Full respect to Burdeens to allow you to speak your mind and treat your audience like thinking adults.
Thank you! Burdeen's is amazing and gives me full autonomy (within reason of course) regarding my content. Glad you enjoyed this 🙏
Great video, but are you not working with Roman anymore?
What do u think about the Phillip plain?
Not familiar with this brand
Another way of looking at the aquanaut and the Nautilus is comparing it to the sub vs gmt. The gmt is pretty much the same watch as the sub just different bezel and gmt hand yet sells almost double retail grey market with the Pepsi and batman. I look at the aquanaut like an alternative to the nautilus for folks who don't want an integrated bracelet but still want Patek prominence that's wearable everyday. That clearly comes with a cost. It's a great addition and alternative to all the dress watch only ethos that Patek have.
I do feel this comparison is apt although I'd say the Sub is more iconic than the GMT while the Aquanaut is not more iconic than the Nautilus. But your point is not lost on me and I don't disagree. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Damn Marco…you will devalue my 5167a now 😂…..great video brother 💪
Haha I doubt I have the ability to move the market like that. Thank you for the support brother I truly appreciate it! 🙏
You don’t work for the ruskis anymore?
Great video, especially calling out Cartier on making a bunch of junk (and good stuff too)
Thank you! Tried to be fair and balanced, glad I was able to come across that way 🙏
Spot on video! I don’t understand the whole Cartier vintage Mike Nouveau scene. He’s a great salesman though. Free merch and business class flights to Swiss compliments of Cartier and Hermes. I’m sure these watches he pushes suffer in value post sale from the new owner.
Daytona is overrated as hell; an unusable chronograph with screw-down button, obnoxious look, overall 2 out 10 from me.
Totally fair, I personally would disagree but I respect your opinion. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
@@MarcoFerranteWatchesWhy do you disagree with him?
IMO, I don't like the over-polishing either.
This is why I only shop underrated watches. I own a 37mm Yachtmaster and a two toned Rolex Explorer.
excellent presentation. will subscribe.
Thank you! 🙏
I thought you worked for Roman Sharf. What happened? Did he fire you?
What happend to LB ? You don’t work there anymore ?
I joined the Burdeen's team in July and it has truly been a blessing 🙏
I sure hope this drives the price of the 5968A down. I’d love to have one for my every day
It is an amazing watch no doubt! My point was specifically in reference to the 5167A. Regardless, hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Thanks for being so brave to say what you feel. Khanjars are special but i agree without been stamped on the dial it looks just like any other rolex
Thank you for the support on the video 🙏
@ you are doing great, more believable than even your old company, who kinda do a know it all attitude.
Cool to see you running your own page now
Thank you for the continued support 🙏
Why don’t you work for LB anymore?
WHAT HAPPENED WITH ROMAN?
That aquanaut is the best😊
It is a great watch, just overpriced for what it is. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
@@MarcoFerranteWatchesif you buy on secondary market maybe yes. RM are all overrated
Have to agree re: Cartier. Like there’s nothing wrong with them, but they’re so trendy it would hard for them not to be overrated.
And, yeah, I don’t understand the Aquanaut secondary market prices. But I also don’t understand why grey market Daytona’s trade at roughly the same prices as VC Overseas Chronographs.
I think the key takeaway would be to stick with the icons and classics within the brand. Cartier would be the Tank and Santos. Patek would be the Nautilus in a complication and any perpetual calendar chronograph or minute repeater. Rolex has quite a few icons but the best would be Daytona and Submariner. I could go on and on.
@@grant_a_parker VC overseas Chronograph over Daytona always
Totally agree with you. I'd take an Overseas over an aquanaut any day of the week and it comes with a bracelet, rubber and leather strap lol. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Another great video. I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis. The time only nautilus is insanely overpriced even at it's retail price. I basically dislike all Richard Mille watches, I think they are ugly as can be but do have some interesting technology but the 11 is really bad when a basic movement is used. I was a little shocked to hear that Roger Smith watches had reached that level of price. I am a huge fan of Roger Smith watches, the quality is as good as it gets but the last time I looked at prices, which was a couple years ago, the 3 hand watch with a date was in they $175k range. Now they are $400k+, that seems a little outrageous and also the last time I heard, they were making 12 watches a year, is it really 12 a month now? Anyway, another spot on video.
I think my numbers were inaccurate in terms of production of Roger Smith. I know he expanded his workforce and is able to make more than 1 watch per month but supposedly it is no more than 3 watches per month. I think that solidifies my point even further despite me getting the figures incorrect in the video. And totally agree the price is simply outrageous now. Thank you for the support on the video 🙏
Totally agree with you Marco. You can get a 5131/5231 for the price of 5711...my choice is obvious
Could not agree more! 5170P I believe is now around the same price as a 5711 blue dial and that should flat out be a crime against humanity as I think the 5170P is one of the most beautiful Pateks ever made. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
RM's claim to fame seems to be that they are really really expensive.
It has definitely become an F U money watch for sure. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
some controversial choices. But this was a good video. You have good reasoning behind all your opinions. Even if a lot of these models collectors are very fond of.
Thank you! 🙏
Great video, way to take a stand on these overrated pieces. I can add 5 more. Keep it up!
Thank you for the support! 🙏
THIS IS A VIDEO WHICH HAS GOOD INFO
SURE - WILL AVOID THESE WATCHES
KEEP UP THESE GOOD VIDS
Thank you! 🙏
Under rated and value priced pieces would include: 36mm Rolex Day-Date double quickset ref. 18238, 36mm DateJust pieces from mid-eighties to late nineties in steel or 18k/steel, 90’s-early 2000’s Omega Speedmasters and those years in Patek annual calendars ☝🏻😉
I don’t understand why you think that the rarity of Roger W. Smith watches is somehow in tension with their prices climbing into the stratosphere. I would think those two facts are directly correlated.
He talking about retail price, not market value. There’s no way you can justify $400,000 selling a Roger Smith considering the lackluster finishing.
@@Greysprunkiyay You are correct, not talking market but rather current retail which is frankly absurd for a time only watch in my opinion
Vintage Cartier is crazy over hyped, agreed.
Still love the content around that market though. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
@MarcoFerranteWatches Absolutely! I think it's great you tackle all sides of the trade
Great video
I've recently began my obsession as a watch collector. And i must say- out of all the luxury brands I've been researching, for me the MAMACOO's watches are the most intriguing.
some good points.
Thank you! 🙏
RW Smith makes 10-12 watches per year - and his order book is full for the remainder of his life. The prices kind of make sense when demand is that high...
That simply isn't the case. He produces multiple watches per month as he's expanded his atelier and his order book is open again as many customers have cancelled their order due to the price increases.
@ fair points! I didn't realise this. I stand corrected!
Is the same tiffany letters i don't understan kanjar stamp and tiffany you have too pay a lot of money for the same watch😮
The Tiffany stamp I can understand more given the historical relationship, rarity and given it is stamped on the dial. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Watch are the ultimate Men's accesories！Enjoyed watching your collection. Keep going！As a watch enthusiast and watch reviewer, I can say MAMACOO this was a great choice. Enjoyed your video!
Agreed 100% finally someone speaks logically
Thank you! 🙏
R M looks like a piece of lego on a strap,but love an aquanaut
Totally agree!
The only think I can add regarding RM, when you are wearing other beautiful watches, people look at the watch, when you wear an RM, people look at the man. That’s the value. Personally I prefer my watches underrated and would rather that no one knows what I’m wearing, except for Cartier. Can’t help but love their designs. The Santos and the Tank are perfection.
Hard to disagree with what you have laid out. Love Cartier also! Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Love Roger Smith watches, but at over $400K now is just insane.
I could not agree more! 🙏
I wonder if anyone here has ever seen an RM in person/ tried one on etc. Marco is astute enough to recognize the innovation they’ve brought to the industry. Only commenting on a small segment of their offerings negatively.
Thank you! No doubt A LOT of their watches are seriously impressive and overlooked for the crazy innovation they showcase. Glad you enjoyed this 🙏
I love vintage watches and have a great watchmaker restore them for me. They’re so different from the hot new watches and are great values
Excerpt from a watch magazine- a bit of a pushback on the anti outsourced movement view: “the aesthetics and materials of the RMCA4 are vastly different from its base - with largely skeletonised components, the usage of titanium for the bridges, and a plethora of custom components such as its variable geometry winding rotor. Nonetheless, the VMF 6710 is its foundation. So both the base and how Richard Mille ran with it, deserve huge props and offer a perfect example of how purely in-house can be overrated and how a manufacture can make a sourced design very much their own.”
Regardless, the base movement - no matter how modified - is still a Parmigiani movement. I have no trouble using an off the shelf movement. I do have a problem paying $150k for such a watch. Just my opinion. Personally I do not care for the "In-House" movement craze. I think it is ridiculous. Hope my point is not lost on you and hope you enjoyed this video 🙏
@@MarcoFerranteWatches I gotcha but isn’t a heavily reworked version of a high quality movement a high quality product? Just bought a current release of the RM 010 with the Vaucher movement. Feel like you do that the in house thing is overrated which I why I’m ok with this type of collaboration.
Richard Mille look like watches off Temu, with thousands of Chinese me too examples. It does not ooze class. It’s intersting, I’m not as convinced by secondary prices. A friend of mine struggled to find a shop that was willing to buy his.
Haha fair enough. I totally disagree but respect your opinion. Richard Mille is still quite liquid on the secondary market, it just depends on pricepoints. There is a big range in terms of what most dealers feel comfortable stocking these watches at. Hope you enjoyed this video 🙏
exactly right, no reason why aquanaut should trade over the complications
My list of watches I would like to buy, is long, but it's not one Patek on it, they are simply NOT good looking.
Totally fair, I think they make some beautiful timepieces that are definitely worth your attention. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Agreed about the khanjar and how certain dealers pump those up
Luxury bazaar bought up and pushing these.
Thank you, hope you enjoyed this video 🙏
Keep up the great work, Marco. Agree with your thoughts on the Patek pieces. I'd go with proper complications when getting this brand but not time only pieces.
Definitely agree regarding Patek complications. Thank you for the continued support! 🙏
Good video, you should give an alternative choice.
Thank you brother! Underrated brands and models video is coming up!! Please stay tuned 🙏
*do an underrated watches one*
Rolex, Hublot, Hamilton, Grand-Seiko, AP.
that patek philippe with rubber straps is just horrendous! looks like a watch you get as a gift for changing your car tires to Michelin tires!
I absolutely love watches, the high end watch brands are out of my budget but the MAMACOO has literally an almost duplicate of every single watch on the market . Always a great but no matter your budget.
5167, time only? 🤔
The date is mostly immaterial in the argument presented in this video..
I’ve owned a Cartier Tank Chronograph and Rolex Daytona for over 15 years and had never owned or tried on any other higher end brands until about 6 months ago. I was in a high end grey market dealer KK in Mayfair and I got to try on a Patek Philippe Aquanaut Chronograph in Rose gold with the brown dial and strap and was extremely impressed. I then went into AP in Harrods a couple of months ago and got to try on 2 Different Royal Oaks and got to register my interest in them (they may never arrive 😂) I have to say that the service that I received in the AP boutique there was 2nd to none.
That's surprising regarding AP and I'm glad to hear it! The Aquanaut chronos are really nice. I've handled all of them except for the rose gold model and was always impressed. Hope you enjoyed this 🙏
Ha ha ha ha I LOVE IT THIS IS SO TRUE I AM WITH YOU ON THAT FANTASTIC VIDEO THANKS
Thank you! 🙏
The best value for money watch you can buy is the standard Rolex Sub Date. Hands down the greatest do it all watch ever made.
Couldn’t have said it any better.
It is hard for me to disagree although I would personally choose the GMT. I am just very biased towards it. Regardless I hope you enjoyed this video 🙏
@@MarcoFerranteWatchesdon’t get me wrong, the GMT function definitely has a one up on the sub, but the monochrome look of the sub allows it to be worn with anything. The colourful bezel of the GMT does restrict it just a little.
One of the most boring watches Rolex has to offer? So much money for an unelegant divewatch. Datejust beats the Sub in all aspects.
@@bertholdbach4959You have no idea what you’re talking about. Sit back down and let the adults talk.
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with a list video more than this.
May I have a Campari on the rocks please.
Haha sure thing!
I own a 5167A and although I love it, I dont disagree with you. Its alot of money for a stainless watch with a rubber strap.
I can’t unsee “the taliban beard”