I'm always impressed by how vividly you remember sequences of plays during your games (and even what you were thinking about during those plays). I've played at a few local paper tournaments and never remember things that well.
Writing the important parts down on Twitter right afterward gives me hints to grab onto later. But yeah I do tend to remember game states, I don't think about anything else that hard in life haha.
@@BoshNRoll My wife asks me how can I hold thousands of cards (from two games! I also play yugioh) but I can't remember that tomorrow is the kid's appointment for the thing. Or that I need to pick up the other thing while I'm out.
The deck building stuff is always interesting! The talk about deck ownership at the beginning always makes me think of a store owner out in New Mexico that said the cedh and edh formats were "rampant with plagerism," like this was something that someone could own ha ha. Same happens in regular fnms where players see you play a good deck and ask, "did you make this? or are you just piloting it?" Deck ownership is always so wild.
Yeah, awful toxic mentality. Building and playing are just individual aspects of Magic. The beauty of the game is that players can express themselves on a variety of axes. Take and leave the ones you're not that interested in or not that studied in.
I was the Lurrus player in round two! It was cool to play with you, especially because I get to brag to my friends that I “beat” the guy who won the whole tournament lol. Well played, and congrats on the victory!
The three hour match in the round of 32 cushioning an entirely new game of three player commander is perhaps the most commander thing I've heard ahah. Glad to see it worked out at least! Congrats on the big win!
This is the best video in the whole cEDH community. I really learned A LOT. Please keep on playing this format with Matt as well. Hope to see you in some gameplay videos soon.
Big fan of this video. Both matches you were featured on stream were some of the best cEDH play I've had the pleasure to watch (and the added pleasure of casting), and the big takeaway at the end of the video is something that I think is pretty important in the grand scheme of things when it comes to evaluating one's approach to cEDH holistically.
Congrats Brian! I heard about the win on ComedIAN Mtg really glad you’re doing a full break down. Also I love the idea of more legacy players playing CEDH. My two favorite formats outside of limited. As a typical Tymna thrasios player I lose a lot of games exactly the way you described rd2. Tymna Thrasios is probably not the monster it used to be in my very biased opinion. Also never heard anyone call him thraseyose…. Lol
I was the T&T player in round 3, and that was nuts! Also worth mentioning that the other T&T player that went 1st also got a thassa’s/consult attempt stopped lol. In turns I could have fought through 2 silence effects but the table had 3! 😆 great playing with you and congrats on winning the whole dang tournament sir!!
Congrats on the victory! The most interesting takeaway I had from the tournament report was the importance of seating order. You won twice when you had first seat, and mentioned that your seat order was relevant in your loss to Lurrus. Also, your Turn 7 hand would be almost the nuts in my Zirda deck if you swapped Fierce Guardianship for the equivalent Deflecting swat, even with the concerns that Rag would not connect from 4th position.
Love this so so so much! Good shit and LOVE this style of tournament report. In 60 card spaces tournament reports seem less valuable but getting to hear how some politics and stuff played out was so sick. Hoping to see more cEDH content from ya going forward!
Great report and I really like the deckbuilding discussion (so far) but on the fire covenant/deluge discussion: have you tried delayed blast fireball? It does miss sometimes and drannith is a glaring weakness but it's been performing really well for me in general
As someone who grew up in a household that often ate breakfast food 2 meals a day and rarely ate out in restaurants just curious why people that their job is cooking don't like to do breakfast. Is it the cleanup is worse, is it you feel lack of complexity so you take less pride in it? Just curious. P.S. eggs Benedict sub crab meat (the real stuff) for the ham is by far my favorite thing to eat.
Also on the diabolic intent convo, its much better when you have a bilateral hatebear that you might want to remove when your about to win the game. Collector oupe/archon of emeria are great examples of this.
Always enjoy you expanding your horizons. Speaking of which, I saw that there are some Premodern side events at Eternal Weekend. Would love to see you playing in one of those, but I doubt you’ll be doing anything but playing for top 8 in the main events.
I’ve never played cEDH but I’m curious, is there a sort of “free rider problem” where players are incentivized to skimp on interaction in deckbuilding because it’s so much more advantageous to have someone else deal with the threat than to deal with it yourself? Or is that just outweighed by the prospect of losing the whole game to someone’s combo
That is a calculated risk one can take. There's lots of viable non-blue decks that interact in different ways or just try to go fast. It's all part of the fun in navigating a 4-player game.
Congratulations on the win! Is there someplace I can see the other lists from this event? One of my good friends is trying to convince me on EDH and I want to see what other folks are doing in the format
I find the inclusion of city of traitors, cavern of souls, birgi and lavinia really interesting. Lavinia and cavern i can get behind, the other two seem a bit shaky to me tbh. If you read this, could you elaborate some on these choices?
This was run by Monarch Media, they have a discord bot that does it. Eminence Events has their own software as well. You could reach out to them and see if they're sharing.
Great video as always. I’m a legacy player starting to get into cedh out in California. You mentioned a big tournament in California - curious if anybody has information on what that is? Thanks!
@@BoshNRoll how did the wheels perform in the event? I know some people that were talking about potentially cutting them because a common play pattern that was seen was wheeling and having to pass which would hand the win to the next player. Even wheeling on turn 1 it would happen to help fix a heavy mulled hand.
@@Joolenplus Wheels are not great in this deck. I think WoF and Twister are worth keeping because they're nuts if you ever spike them and sometimes a refill is all you need. Windfall could be just any other card you want to play.
This is so vindicating for me lol. I said months ago that folks were more than likely playing blue farm kinda wrong and the deck should've been posting more outright tourney wins and not just top x(16/8) all the time. I'm on najeela right now to be a more midrangey control deck instead of blue farm because everyone was telling me im dumb for not wanting to build blue farm as straight up turbo naus.
Yeah those people are kinda playing the deck wrong or are in super inbred metas. It doesn't make sense to me to jam a naus early with little to no protection when you have 2 commanders that draw cards to help you hit more interaction or a silence effect to push it through and helps carry you to mid game
Spikes gonna spike. I get it, I’m a sweaty tryhard too. I don’t mean that in a bad way, it’s just hilarious to watch you get into a casual format and then immediately start thinking about how to spike it.
That's not really what happened. I have a robust collection of purely casual decks. This other thing, cEDH, just exists too and is also fun. I didn't invent the space or push anyone to play this way. It's just another fun way to go with the deckbuilding restraints.
@@BoshNRoll You know what, fair. I didn't mean to imply that you pushed anyone to play this way nor that you invented the space, just that I was amused that you found your way to a maxima of a competitive format that grew out of a casual format in the context of your recent content learning to take a step back from being in tryhard mode all the time. It's possible I also misinterpreted that content too. Anyway, please keep making great content, I enjoy your stuff a lot.
@@ranch2970 Nuclear cold take. People play how they want with like-minded players. cEDH existing has nothing to do with casual play at any level and vice-versa.
@@BobbyxZx Most people will announce their deck's power level before beginning a game, as to have similarly powerful decks play against each other. Most cEDH players will not bring their cEDH deck to a more casual level game. It's a problem with the players, not the format.
@@BobbyxZx You have a table communication problem. A pubstomper playing Tymna+X combo at LGS casual night is an asshole. A low-power player getting mad their deck doesn't keep up in a stated cEDH pod is also an asshole. cEDH is not pubstomping, it's shorthand for "we want to go hard." The point of the cEDH label is to avoid feel-bads. The typical LGS player has no idea what cEDH actually is and just throws that label around when their commander gets countered. cEDH is aggressively proxy-friendly. People want to play against your best deck, not your wallet. Most cEDH players barely own real cards. Money matters less in cEDH than anywhere else. EDH is close to unplayable in mixed company. That's an EDH problem overall and not related to cEDH existing as a defined meta. Finding a group that shares your power level interest is the best way to engage. If that's not an option, talking before like game about how your decks work is essential. I have a prepared speech for pickup games: "My deck is focused with a plan and interaction. I don't have any combos. There's some cool engines if I get enough stuff into play, but you'll see it coming and I'm going to win through the battlefield with damage."
This is the best video in the whole cEDH community. I really learned A LOT. Please keep on playing this format with Matt as well. Hope to see you in some gameplay videos soon.
I'm always impressed by how vividly you remember sequences of plays during your games (and even what you were thinking about during those plays). I've played at a few local paper tournaments and never remember things that well.
Writing the important parts down on Twitter right afterward gives me hints to grab onto later. But yeah I do tend to remember game states, I don't think about anything else that hard in life haha.
@@BoshNRoll My wife asks me how can I hold thousands of cards (from two games! I also play yugioh) but I can't remember that tomorrow is the kid's appointment for the thing. Or that I need to pick up the other thing while I'm out.
The deck building stuff is always interesting! The talk about deck ownership at the beginning always makes me think of a store owner out in New Mexico that said the cedh and edh formats were "rampant with plagerism," like this was something that someone could own ha ha. Same happens in regular fnms where players see you play a good deck and ask, "did you make this? or are you just piloting it?" Deck ownership is always so wild.
Yeah, awful toxic mentality. Building and playing are just individual aspects of Magic. The beauty of the game is that players can express themselves on a variety of axes. Take and leave the ones you're not that interested in or not that studied in.
Lmao "did you design your shirt or are you just wearing it?"
It's a casual shitter mentality that makes me view multiplayer formats as a total joke to be quite fuckin honest
I was the Lurrus player in round two! It was cool to play with you, especially because I get to brag to my friends that I “beat” the guy who won the whole tournament lol. Well played, and congrats on the victory!
GG!
Hey there! Could I ask you for your Lurrus list? I was thinking about building him and remembered of your comment down here 😅
The three hour match in the round of 32 cushioning an entirely new game of three player commander is perhaps the most commander thing I've heard ahah. Glad to see it worked out at least! Congrats on the big win!
This is the best video in the whole cEDH community. I really learned A LOT. Please keep on playing this format with Matt as well. Hope to see you in some gameplay videos soon.
Thank you so much for having an open discussion about “absolutes”. Keeping an open mind is the only way innovation happens in any MTG format. ❤️
Big fan of this video. Both matches you were featured on stream were some of the best cEDH play I've had the pleasure to watch (and the added pleasure of casting), and the big takeaway at the end of the video is something that I think is pretty important in the grand scheme of things when it comes to evaluating one's approach to cEDH holistically.
Just sitting down to listen to this now, hyped to hear your thoughts on the event. Congrats on some good gaming!
Tournament reports is always nice to watch and listen
Congrats Brian! I heard about the win on ComedIAN Mtg really glad you’re doing a full break down. Also I love the idea of more legacy players playing CEDH. My two favorite formats outside of limited. As a typical Tymna thrasios player I lose a lot of games exactly the way you described rd2. Tymna Thrasios is probably not the monster it used to be in my very biased opinion. Also never heard anyone call him thraseyose…. Lol
I love cedh, and this channel, so it was a fun shock seeing your name being shouted out on the discord lol
It's a small world :)
I was the T&T player in round 3, and that was nuts! Also worth mentioning that the other T&T player that went 1st also got a thassa’s/consult attempt stopped lol. In turns I could have fought through 2 silence effects but the table had 3! 😆 great playing with you and congrats on winning the whole dang tournament sir!!
My friend created that Florian deck and tuned it up while playing against me!!! It's a masterpiece. Max is a great dude!
Congrats on the victory! The most interesting takeaway I had from the tournament report was the importance of seating order. You won twice when you had first seat, and mentioned that your seat order was relevant in your loss to Lurrus. Also, your Turn 7 hand would be almost the nuts in my Zirda deck if you swapped Fierce Guardianship for the equivalent Deflecting swat, even with the concerns that Rag would not connect from 4th position.
Congratulations! Very excited to go to this next year. Looks like an awesome time.
amazing so so happy to see you playing cedh it's an amazing format. can't wait to see more
Congratulations Brian. Surreal to see my drawings in this video- I illustrated that Bufftown Bullies playmat 😹
Really great report and surprisingly thorough recollection of the games!
Thanks!
Also, I'll be at PAX Unplugged this weekend so the timing of the food recs is super good!
@@CoreySarsfield yooo, gratz on getting to eat at the market.
The bling in this deck is blinding
Always love seeing cedh related content on your channel. Settling in for this one.
"I'm thinking about to make it to turn 5 without dying" - Spoken like a true control player
Love the tourney reports! I dont know much about cedh but i love the recaps!
Great content guys, high level discussion regardless of format 👍🏻
Saw you at the event. You played a friend of mine in the finals (Trevor). Congrats on the win
love legacy modern and cedh and im a big fan !!! keep the good work may
Congratulations Brian!
Big respect for winning this tournament, Brian-but even BIGGER respect for shouting out all the good food you ate throughout the tournament. 🤌
sick run man congrats, i love cedh and would deff like to see you making more of this content
Love this so so so much! Good shit and LOVE this style of tournament report. In 60 card spaces tournament reports seem less valuable but getting to hear how some politics and stuff played out was so sick. Hoping to see more cEDH content from ya going forward!
Chandra emblems after an hour is absolutely the solution we play Armageddon clock after turn 6 😂
Excellent work!
Hot Dang Dog! That's amazing, congratulations.
Intuition is just such a shoe-in for this deck that it's hard to believe not running it
Exciting times for Cedh. Lots of successful players in other formats joining in on the fun.
Great report and I really like the deckbuilding discussion (so far) but on the fire covenant/deluge discussion: have you tried delayed blast fireball? It does miss sometimes and drannith is a glaring weakness but it's been performing really well for me in general
I am a chef and confirmed, we hate making egg and breakfast food. Good food order.
Heard
As someone who grew up in a household that often ate breakfast food 2 meals a day and rarely ate out in restaurants just curious why people that their job is cooking don't like to do breakfast. Is it the cleanup is worse, is it you feel lack of complexity so you take less pride in it? Just curious.
P.S. eggs Benedict sub crab meat (the real stuff) for the ham is by far my favorite thing to eat.
Wow congrats on your win! Sounds like a good experience all around. Appreciate your comments on the weird intersection cEDH has on casual EDH
On the deluge vs covenant discussion, have you considered damn as well? I feel like thats worthy of being in that same convo.
Also on the diabolic intent convo, its much better when you have a bilateral hatebear that you might want to remove when your about to win the game. Collector oupe/archon of emeria are great examples of this.
Cedh content got me back into magic around war of the spark, love to see you cover it
Congrats!
Always enjoy you expanding your horizons. Speaking of which, I saw that there are some Premodern side events at Eternal Weekend. Would love to see you playing in one of those, but I doubt you’ll be doing anything but playing for top 8 in the main events.
Yeah I don't have premodern IRL and will likely not be playing side events at EW haha. Format is sweet though!
The Krarkashima was ScoopPhase not Scoots, loved the video!
Whoops, sorry ScoopPhase! I did know that, brain got twisted
I’ve never played cEDH but I’m curious, is there a sort of “free rider problem” where players are incentivized to skimp on interaction in deckbuilding because it’s so much more advantageous to have someone else deal with the threat than to deal with it yourself? Or is that just outweighed by the prospect of losing the whole game to someone’s combo
That is a calculated risk one can take. There's lots of viable non-blue decks that interact in different ways or just try to go fast. It's all part of the fun in navigating a 4-player game.
What was the Hazezon deck like? Stax??? I'm really curious how it got so far. Thanks!
Where can I see those game videos on camera, you said something but I am not sure I heard those clearly
Monarch Media streamed it. They’ll have VODs on twitch probably
This deck is an absolute beauty to look at. God knows how much thats worth!
Wondering what the main role of birgi is in the deck? Is she mainly being played as the horn for card advantage? Or as her creature form for mana?
Both. She’s a creature for Tymna, a mana engine to combo, and card advantage in an emergency.
I won a smaller cedh tournament w/ Blue Farm from 4th position in the finals, and with a second position Thrasios /Tymna having a T1 Rhystic Study :)
congrats!
thanks for making this
Are you allowed to have a mix of foils and non-foils in a cedh tourney? A few of the staples don’t have foil versions
Yes, as long as cards aren’t identifiable when you’re shuffling. I use perfect hards to keep everything flat
Congratulations on the win! Is there someplace I can see the other lists from this event? One of my good friends is trying to convince me on EDH and I want to see what other folks are doing in the format
I find the inclusion of city of traitors, cavern of souls, birgi and lavinia really interesting. Lavinia and cavern i can get behind, the other two seem a bit shaky to me tbh. If you read this, could you elaborate some on these choices?
I’ve cut City since, didn’t really like it. Birgi has been incredible for me every time I cast her.
@@BoshNRoll did you ever cast harnfell?
Do you have the decklist of the second place Zur, The Enhancer deck? I'm really interested in that deck. Also, great video!
Do you know what tournament software they used? I'm trying to find something to run local cedh events
This was run by Monarch Media, they have a discord bot that does it. Eminence Events has their own software as well. You could reach out to them and see if they're sharing.
It's funny not to see Winota in tournaments like this. I think it's the best Stax deck in cedh.
I think it was the first or second most represented deck in the meta. I just dodged. Running good!
Great video!
Great video as always. I’m a legacy player starting to get into cedh out in California. You mentioned a big tournament in California - curious if anybody has information on what that is?
Thanks!
It's Silicon Dynasty run by Eminence Events. It's on their website. Good luck!
Thanks!
what's the logic behind no ponder, preordain, brainstorm in cedh?
Card selection is low impact when you’re trying to play a long game and have 2 commanders that provide raw card advantage.
What was 1st place prize?
$400
I really like this deck, but don't want to spend the cash on a timetwister. In your opinion, how much does the deck rely on it?
Very little. It's cuttable.
Proxy! Almost every cedh player is fine with proxies, and this tournament had a list of cards that they were able to provide proxies for
@@BoshNRoll how did the wheels perform in the event?
I know some people that were talking about potentially cutting them because a common play pattern that was seen was wheeling and having to pass which would hand the win to the next player. Even wheeling on turn 1 it would happen to help fix a heavy mulled hand.
@@Joolenplus Wheels are not great in this deck. I think WoF and Twister are worth keeping because they're nuts if you ever spike them and sometimes a refill is all you need. Windfall could be just any other card you want to play.
I would love to see you collaborate with Play to Win
Me too!
why play birgi?
This is so vindicating for me lol. I said months ago that folks were more than likely playing blue farm kinda wrong and the deck should've been posting more outright tourney wins and not just top x(16/8) all the time. I'm on najeela right now to be a more midrangey control deck instead of blue farm because everyone was telling me im dumb for not wanting to build blue farm as straight up turbo naus.
Yeah those people are kinda playing the deck wrong or are in super inbred metas.
It doesn't make sense to me to jam a naus early with little to no protection when you have 2 commanders that draw cards to help you hit more interaction or a silence effect to push it through and helps carry you to mid game
Day 14 of asking BoshnRoll to dress up as Uro!
Maybe he should be kraum???
that bling tho
Spikes gonna spike. I get it, I’m a sweaty tryhard too. I don’t mean that in a bad way, it’s just hilarious to watch you get into a casual format and then immediately start thinking about how to spike it.
That's not really what happened. I have a robust collection of purely casual decks. This other thing, cEDH, just exists too and is also fun. I didn't invent the space or push anyone to play this way. It's just another fun way to go with the deckbuilding restraints.
@@BoshNRoll You know what, fair. I didn't mean to imply that you pushed anyone to play this way nor that you invented the space, just that I was amused that you found your way to a maxima of a competitive format that grew out of a casual format in the context of your recent content learning to take a step back from being in tryhard mode all the time. It's possible I also misinterpreted that content too. Anyway, please keep making great content, I enjoy your stuff a lot.
I played a 3 hour and thirty minutes cEDH game and it sucked
Thassa Oracle ruined this format
Ah yes Edh the non-casual format
c-edh is ruining commander
you'd be surprised
@@ranch2970 Nuclear cold take. People play how they want with like-minded players. cEDH existing has nothing to do with casual play at any level and vice-versa.
@@BobbyxZx Most people will announce their deck's power level before beginning a game, as to have similarly powerful decks play against each other. Most cEDH players will not bring their cEDH deck to a more casual level game. It's a problem with the players, not the format.
@@BobbyxZx You have a table communication problem. A pubstomper playing Tymna+X combo at LGS casual night is an asshole. A low-power player getting mad their deck doesn't keep up in a stated cEDH pod is also an asshole. cEDH is not pubstomping, it's shorthand for "we want to go hard." The point of the cEDH label is to avoid feel-bads.
The typical LGS player has no idea what cEDH actually is and just throws that label around when their commander gets countered.
cEDH is aggressively proxy-friendly. People want to play against your best deck, not your wallet. Most cEDH players barely own real cards. Money matters less in cEDH than anywhere else.
EDH is close to unplayable in mixed company. That's an EDH problem overall and not related to cEDH existing as a defined meta. Finding a group that shares your power level interest is the best way to engage. If that's not an option, talking before like game about how your decks work is essential. I have a prepared speech for pickup games: "My deck is focused with a plan and interaction. I don't have any combos. There's some cool engines if I get enough stuff into play, but you'll see it coming and I'm going to win through the battlefield with damage."
This is the best video in the whole cEDH community. I really learned A LOT. Please keep on playing this format with Matt as well. Hope to see you in some gameplay videos soon.