Kudos to André. I have a couple of those Papaiz here and was waiting to get a few more itens to send to Bosnian Bill, but I think André got it first! Well done!
I have a picking channel Thumpers lock picking on RUclips, ì would love to try picking some of your locks, or we can trade for what you want. CHEERS M8
I'm here to bid you farewell my good teacher and (I like to consider) friend, you taught us, and me specially so much, that I saved myself and friends from being locked inside and outside so many times... thank you so much! Farewell and so long, live long and prosper!
Brazilian here, my mom used to have a lock on her door that used this same X design, one day she lost her keys and had to call a locksmith to get inside. She said that the locksmith just put a device in the lock and opened it, in fact she said that took longer for the guy open the normal key lock that was in the same door than the x one
u r d man. you make picking look so easy, the more i watch your vids and listen to you, the easier it gets when i pick my locks, im getting there bill. and one day i may be as good as you, maybe another 20 years or so. keep up the good work my friend.
One of my first ever openings when starting locksport was a PAPAIZ CR50 padlock and fell in love with them and as you know Bill, I collect locks old and new. The PAPAIZ locks I have so far are CR60 down to small Of CR20 (6 in total) WOW!!!! I never knew they made cross padlocks (Cruciform) too as never seen one before. Your a lucky man... Please do not drill or smash it LOL!!!!
Thank you so much for the PAPAIZ cruciform lock Bill, plus the little CR20.... The PAPAIZ family is growing well and they look great on display, so thank you so much again. The other three little locks are great too and never seen the brands before (Stam & PADO) noticed the PADO is from Brazil too.
I did have a Papaiz exactly like that one about 30 to 45 years ago. At that time I knew nothing about picking except some humans can do it. I was really impress by the whole padlock and it serve me well few decades. If I ever find it again, I will surely try shiming as a humility remembrance.
Hahaha! I've bought some of these locks, i also thought that they were secure and a good training padlock... Brazil at it's finest... and that shit is expensive....
LOL "The way they say Brazil in portuguese is CRT 50" Jesus Christ, i almost couldn't stop laughing about that! Yes, that's definitely the exact and precise way we say Brazil, btw: "cê erre tê cinquenta"
I started picking locks when I was about 14, used filed down gauge testers ( sometimes ) in combo with small angled Allan wrenches. For those ' el cheapo ' brands, most of the times a small Allan wrench did the trick ! Just went all the way to the back, and then up, turn and open they would come ?! And sometimes just by raking it with an Allan. I stopped at the age of 16, and at that time, my fav was Abus. Kinda stumbled upon this channel, and dammit, I got that burning sensation back in my fingers....so, I'm gonna start again from scratch :) Thanks for that Bill ;)
Reminds me of a Roebuck cross key padlock I made a video of. You would be shocked at the access to the locking pall it had. Nice vid as always Bill :-)
those keyways are everywhere here in CRT50(lol), they're mostly used as secondary locks on doors (yes, we have more then one lock on our front doors), but if a criminal really wants to get in, he'd just shoot the hell out of them. the police would probably not get there fast enough anyway and civilians can't buy weapons, so your gonna be screwed one way or another.
@@guicky_ yup, security here in cr50 kinda sucks, like, having to put 3-5 locks in all external doors, just to delay a guy, that if realy has the motivation will get in
I have a Tru Guard all brass Chinese 5 spools + 1 angled pin lock, that is not the easiest to pick, and by far not the hardest, but it's easily shimmed just like this one. SPPing it or raking yields varying results, always ending with an open, but it could take 4 minutes or 40 minutes. A false set with that one is usually a bad sign, unless the angled pin has been set to the shear line.
Great channel and thank you so much for the videos, so much info on the overall subject (bypassing) than just picking. Makes me paranoid about how simple it is but like GI Joe says, Knowing is half the battle. :) Thanks again.
I would be tempted to put a phillips bit in a impact driver and see if it got me anywhere. I wonder if the impact would rattle the pins in place and/or snap some.
Riley Fenley - I thought the same thing. They're smaller diameter pins too, so they aren't going to be quite so robust (aside from strength in numbers).
I think that everytime I watch his videos (of course he does make some things look easier than they really are)! I'm so glad I found this channel, but when I buy new locks I'll be more careful with the keys.
Hello bosnianbill i love your videos been watching them for a while now and was thinking about to start lockpicking and i have a idea for a lock that i would like to discuss with you in private if it is possible Best regards a new subscriber
Hey Bill, about how many times can you rake a lock before you destroy the pins (assuming they are all brass pins)? Are all brass pins made using the same alloy, or are there some that are more durable than others?
Noctis Motus Thanks. That site's quite interesting. I could not find a ready answer to my question, though (but I will keep reading). I asked Bill because I remember seeing a video from him in which he was trying to learn to pick a particular type of lock and tried it so many times that the lock would not work anymore, if I remember properly.
I can only give you an engineer's answer: it depends. For example, if you look at the thrashed state of a pin that has been raked to death by an aggressive and unskilled picker, you will note that far more material has been removed from it than from pins that were attacked by a skillful picker. So again, how long? It really does depend on a number of things. In short, I do not know that you will find a concrete answer to your question.
OK. So, there are too many variables and the answer would depend on the picker, the technique used, and the pin composition (I guess there are different types of brass pins). I was wondering about raking in particular, since that seems to be a bit harder on the pins and it doesn't seem to me that there's a lot of skill involved. Personally, I avoid raking because I want to get better at SPP. I was just curious about the damage caused by raking. Seeing Bill do it in this video reminded me of this question. Maybe I will just have to take a lock and rake it to death, if I can. Thanks!
Yes, many variables. Insofar as raking in particular is concerned, it would again depend on the rake in question plus the other variables that are in play. In general terms, raking is certainly less kind to the lock than other more precise opening techniques. Your choice to Work on SPP is a good one. Not only is it more satisfying, you will surely need it when raking fails. :) Happy to help.
For a sec there i thought you were just making a video showing that it can be shimmed.Do you think that the pins are made a bit less precisely than on the locks that have one row
My travel agent wouldn't give me a quote for a flight to CRT50. Bill: I decided to re-pin a couple of those acrylic locks I have, but found out the pins are only 0.084" and while the bible is kinda sloppy the c cylinder plug holes are 0.090" . Where the **** do I get pins that size?? Is there a manufacturer or brand that uses pins that small?
Ball bearing usually is not spring loaded (you can't push the ball back with the shim, there's no spring to beat back), instead it has a piece inside that rotates or pushes the ball into the recess carved into the latch. Or at least that's what I understand after watching this channel after a year or so.
You can pick it pin by pin if you want. It is a 16 pins lock. Considering that there is pins on all sides, there is no "bottom of the keyway" there, only tops, so sure, you can use top of the keyway and pick it. And this one have a non-removable core.
You should try the Master Combination Lock Model 2001. It uses a ball-bearing shackle. New ones are from China I guess. An old USA model would be best. www.masterlock.com/business-use/product/2001KA
Thank you for the feedback, I will look into that lock. I was looking at the Aus Combination 190CS/60. www.abus.com/ca_en/Home-Security/Padlocks/Combination/190CS-60
Hi Andre can you plese test this shim method in Papaiz CR40 I think it's impossible since any shim doesn't fit there! Please answer I really need help! If you get it I will worship you as the Padlock God for the rest of my life ;)
Very strange, I'll check it out. Tetra padlock with 16 pins aligned with a ordinary tool, metal sheet inserted in big gaps. It looks that Papaiz are very smarthead selling this crap. Or not.
You don't even need shims or picks. Just give a good go with a 1kg mallet punch and it comes apart. Pado, Papaiz.. all os these beefy brass padlocks never stood a chance
Just FYI, Michal, I was a police officer for many years, and never once worked a case where a criminal picked a lock to gain entry. That may be because if he did, he wasn't caught, or the crime wasn't even noticed, of course, but, in general, criminals prefer to throw a brick through a window and be in and out very quickly. Learning to pick locks takes time, dedication, and patience. He may as well go to college and get a job if he's going to do that!
Agreed with both. I'm a full time locksmith and I work with several different police departments in my area and MANY officers. I have NEVER met a police officer that has had any case were they strongly suspected the lock was picked (bypassed, yes, but not picked)... as far as shimming or bypassing, that's EXACTLY the wonderful thing about these videos and others like them, to help customers avoid the garbage. Flat out, no lock is "unpickable" in theory... if it can be opened by an authorized user, than it can be opened by an unauthorized one... eventually... but you'll get a LOT more "eventually" with a good lock than with garbage. Same goes with completely destroying a lock or structure... The good stuff is still destructible, but it's a LOT harder to destruct. Here's the TRUE key to any sort of preventative security... Make it hard and or risky enough on the bad guy that they decide it's not worth it and move on... and while locks are a part of it, there's more involved. (Bill actually has a VERY comprehensive but easy to understand section on overall security at the locklab website) Real preventative security is ALWAYS layered.
Hi, Bosnian. If you were to ignore the pins (since you haven't shown them), would you consider it a 8/10? I mean, the gap for the shim seemed to be quite tight thanks to the strong spring and there are 16 pins so it's natural it would take longer to rake. I am no expert on locks but my guess is that a 8/10 would be a fair enough score for it, not too high, not too low.
You can easily stick a needle file in there, and with 60 second's work, carve a shallow groove on the side of the locking pawl, making it impossible to shim. The lock then becomes a high security lock just by taking so long to pick(even with a rake).
Kudos to André. I have a couple of those Papaiz here and was waiting to get a few more itens to send to Bosnian Bill, but I think André got it first! Well done!
He said he has some more from Brazil, amazing. I thought I was by myself here. BRs everywhere!
You're not alone m8
Brasilll
I have a picking channel Thumpers lock picking on RUclips, ì would love to try picking some of your locks, or we can trade for what you want. CHEERS M8
Brazil here? well, that's a wonderful surprise :)
I had no idea there were other BR fans! brasileiro é uma praga!
+chicoktc tem em todo canto, pqp
Eduardo Balbino digo o mesmo, estou realmente surpreso de ver outros brasileiros em um canal de lock pick gringo
You mean CRT50?
@@jotape6854 Tmj
The brazilian price is very expensive for a padlock but it has a different key so maybe it's worth it, the one with common key cost 1/3 of this one.
I'm here to bid you farewell my good teacher and (I like to consider) friend, you taught us, and me specially so much, that I saved myself and friends from being locked inside and outside so many times... thank you so much!
Farewell and so long, live long and prosper!
had no idea those locks were that easy to pick,thank you for another great video Mr.Bill
lol, Bill makes it all look easy.
just being pedantic, but this is bypassing
had to do this on a brazilian lock video, thank you bosnianbill for the wonderful service you’ve provided to the community 🇧🇦✊
Did not think a shim would overcome that strong spring. Great to watch, Bill.
Brazilian here, my mom used to have a lock on her door that used this same X design, one day she lost her keys and had to call a locksmith to get inside. She said that the locksmith just put a device in the lock and opened it, in fact she said that took longer for the guy open the normal key lock that was in the same door than the x one
4 minutes into your video and I'm blown away. You are amazing. Truly.
My first thought: "That's one nasty keyway, no one can handle 4 sides at the time"
Bill: "It's like 4 Masterlocks"
Me: "OK....it will be over quickly"
Only been picking for about a year and love watching your video's man. I've learned SO much watching them. You are truly a master at the art brother!
u r d man. you make picking look so easy, the more i watch your vids and listen to you, the easier it gets when i pick my locks, im getting there bill. and one day i may be as good as you, maybe another 20 years or so. keep up the good work my friend.
One of my first ever openings when starting locksport was a PAPAIZ CR50 padlock and fell in love with them and as you know Bill, I collect locks old and new. The PAPAIZ locks I have so far are CR60 down to small Of CR20 (6 in total) WOW!!!! I never knew they made cross padlocks (Cruciform) too as never seen one before. Your a lucky man... Please do not drill or smash it LOL!!!!
This one has your name on it.;)
Thank you so much for the PAPAIZ cruciform lock Bill, plus the little CR20.... The PAPAIZ family is growing well and they look great on display, so thank you so much again. The other three little locks are great too and never seen the brands before (Stam & PADO) noticed the PADO is from Brazil too.
This kind of key way is quite common down here, i've never seen it in a lock, but there are plenty on doors.
after watching bill for a while i have learned something...... dont buy a lock... buy a glock......
No, buy a lock so you have a little time to get your glock.
I did have a Papaiz exactly like that one about 30 to 45 years ago. At that time I knew nothing about picking except some humans can do it. I was really impress by the whole padlock and it serve me well few decades. If I ever find it again, I will surely try shiming as a humility remembrance.
Hahaha!
I've bought some of these locks, i also thought that they were secure and a good training padlock...
Brazil at it's finest... and that shit is expensive....
LOL "The way they say Brazil in portuguese is CRT 50" Jesus Christ, i almost couldn't stop laughing about that!
Yes, that's definitely the exact and precise way we say Brazil, btw: "cê erre tê cinquenta"
would have loved to see if you could have used cross-lock rake on it!
I started picking locks when I was about 14, used filed down gauge testers ( sometimes ) in combo with small angled Allan wrenches. For those ' el cheapo ' brands, most of the times a small Allan wrench did the trick ! Just went all the way to the back, and then up, turn and open they would come ?! And sometimes just by raking it with an Allan. I stopped at the age of 16, and at that time, my fav was Abus. Kinda stumbled upon this channel, and dammit, I got that burning sensation back in my fingers....so, I'm gonna start again from scratch :) Thanks for that Bill ;)
Love it Bill, haven't watched your channel in while but always a joy!
That's a pretty Awesome and unique lock!
Reminds me of a Roebuck cross key padlock I made a video of. You would be shocked at the access to the locking pall it had. Nice vid as always Bill :-)
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how to lock open
Thanks for the videos, just purchased my first set of picks and looking forward to figuring them out.
Very interesting, Bill. Thanks for all of your work on these videos.
I guess you are called "safado" (bastard) from Brazil right now for showing how easy is to defeat that padlock.
Cara me surpreendeu nunca tinha visto aquela feramenta que solta a trava do cadeado
You channel is awesome! Nice video.
Wtf I love CRT50 now
those keyways are everywhere here in CRT50(lol), they're mostly used as secondary locks on doors (yes, we have more then one lock on our front doors), but if a criminal really wants to get in, he'd just shoot the hell out of them. the police would probably not get there fast enough anyway and civilians can't buy weapons, so your gonna be screwed one way or another.
@@guicky_ yup, security here in cr50 kinda sucks, like, having to put 3-5 locks in all external doors, just to delay a guy, that if realy has the motivation will get in
I have a Tru Guard all brass Chinese 5 spools + 1 angled pin lock, that is not the easiest to pick, and by far not the hardest, but it's easily shimmed just like this one. SPPing it or raking yields varying results, always ending with an open, but it could take 4 minutes or 40 minutes. A false set with that one is usually a bad sign, unless the angled pin has been set to the shear line.
Ha, the shim looks easier than getting the key lined up right
Great channel and thank you so much for the videos, so much info on the overall subject (bypassing) than just picking. Makes me paranoid about how simple it is but like GI Joe says, Knowing is half the battle. :) Thanks again.
dang your a grandmaster locksmith. cool
I would be tempted to put a phillips bit in a impact driver and see if it got me anywhere. I wonder if the impact would rattle the pins in place and/or snap some.
Riley Fenley - I thought the same thing. They're smaller diameter pins too, so they aren't going to be quite so robust (aside from strength in numbers).
Riley Fenley oo
I thought i had you Billy Boy,but you said it at 4:24.lol
one day myman!!!hahaha
you should try a cross lock pick. they work great
Now that was pretty cool.
My goodness, so easy
I think that everytime I watch his videos (of course he does make some things look easier than they really are)! I'm so glad I found this channel, but when I buy new locks I'll be more careful with the keys.
Booooooa, xará!
interesting lock! However Raking it and swapping tension might be little more tricky if you were trying to rake it in situ.
hi bill I bett waddac2 would like that lock he collects them and they are one of his favourite types any way keep up the good work stiglocks..r
Danmm. Thanks, awesome video.
Greatings from CRT50
Love these vids!
Brasil!
Sounds good!!!!
Hello bosnianbill i love your videos been watching them for a while now and was thinking about to start lockpicking and i have a idea for a lock that i would like to discuss with you in private if it is possible
Best regards a new subscriber
Hey Bill, about how many times can you rake a lock before you destroy the pins (assuming they are all brass pins)? Are all brass pins made using the same alloy, or are there some that are more durable than others?
Check out one of datagram's sites: lockpickingforensics.com
Noctis Motus Thanks. That site's quite interesting. I could not find a ready answer to my question, though (but I will keep reading). I asked Bill because I remember seeing a video from him in which he was trying to learn to pick a particular type of lock and tried it so many times that the lock would not work anymore, if I remember properly.
I can only give you an engineer's answer: it depends. For example, if you look at the thrashed state of a pin that has been raked to death by an aggressive and unskilled picker, you will note that far more material has been removed from it than from pins that were attacked by a skillful picker. So again, how long? It really does depend on a number of things. In short, I do not know that you will find a concrete answer to your question.
OK. So, there are too many variables and the answer would depend on the picker, the technique used, and the pin composition (I guess there are different types of brass pins). I was wondering about raking in particular, since that seems to be a bit harder on the pins and it doesn't seem to me that there's a lot of skill involved. Personally, I avoid raking because I want to get better at SPP. I was just curious about the damage caused by raking. Seeing Bill do it in this video reminded me of this question. Maybe I will just have to take a lock and rake it to death, if I can. Thanks!
Yes, many variables. Insofar as raking in particular is concerned, it would again depend on the rake in question plus the other variables that are in play. In general terms, raking is certainly less kind to the lock than other more precise opening techniques. Your choice to Work on SPP is a good one. Not only is it more satisfying, you will surely need it when raking fails. :) Happy to help.
Sorry man but in Brazil we say it Brasil not crt 50. Btw nice vid !
Actually this isn't such high security here in Brazil
Thx.
very intresting
Go, Brazil! Oh, wait...
Would it be possible to bump key this type of lock?? Seems like it would work....
So making this particular lock unable to get shimmed will make it a strong lock? Whatever engineering that would entail.
Ball bearings, which is what American Locks use (the company, not referring to all USA locks).
I am portuguese and never have I heard anyone call Brasil,CRT 50...we do write it Brasil and not Brazil!!
Plz tell me this is a joke
@@viniciuslobo3587 why?
Enlight us with your knowledge!!
@@mork6668 first you need to tell me if it is a joke
Damn i thought this one was going to be hard lol
Oh wow
For a sec there i thought you were just making a video showing that it can be shimmed.Do you think that the pins are made a bit less precisely than on the locks that have one row
I'm a police officer from CRT 50, and I thank you.... now I don't have to call the locksmith to fullfill my warrants
nice
Just started hearing about these locks. Are they just on padlocks or can you get them on doors?
Yes you can
My travel agent wouldn't give me a quote for a flight to CRT50.
Bill: I decided to re-pin a couple of those acrylic locks I have, but found out the pins are only 0.084" and while the bible is kinda sloppy the c cylinder plug holes are 0.090" .
Where the **** do I get pins that size?? Is there a manufacturer or brand that uses pins that small?
Where did you get your shims for that padlock? The ones ones that had the blue plastic covers, so they are easy on the fingers...
I bought a set from bangood, threw away the soft metal shims and kept the blue handles to use on my SouthOrd shims.
Can you demonstrate why you can not shim a ball bearing locking pal
Ball bearing usually is not spring loaded (you can't push the ball back with the shim, there's no spring to beat back), instead it has a piece inside that rotates or pushes the ball into the recess carved into the latch. Or at least that's what I understand after watching this channel after a year or so.
Common in the UK.
Amazing... 20 bucks says I couldn't' rake that thing inside of a month.
cant you put a top of the keyway tension wrench and pick pin by pins??? also can you gut one of these
You can pick it pin by pin if you want. It is a 16 pins lock. Considering that there is pins on all sides, there is no "bottom of the keyway" there, only tops, so sure, you can use top of the keyway and pick it. And this one have a non-removable core.
what's a good heavy duty combination lock you would recommend? it will be for my shop but I don't want a key lock.
The only good combination locks are on bank safes. All the rest are crap and easily bypassed. Sorry.
You should try the Master Combination Lock Model 2001. It uses a ball-bearing shackle. New ones are from China I guess. An old USA model would be best.
www.masterlock.com/business-use/product/2001KA
Thank you for the feedback, I will look into that lock. I was looking at the Aus Combination 190CS/60.
www.abus.com/ca_en/Home-Security/Padlocks/Combination/190CS-60
Hi Andre can you plese test this shim method in Papaiz CR40 I think it's impossible since any shim doesn't fit there! Please answer I really need help! If you get it I will worship you as the Padlock God for the rest of my life ;)
ha ha well done.. ..
I had this type of lock on my basement,it broke after 15 years idk how,I smashed it with a hammer for at least 40 minutes trying to break it
Very strange, I'll check it out. Tetra padlock with 16 pins aligned with a ordinary tool, metal sheet inserted in big gaps. It looks that Papaiz are very smarthead selling this crap. Or not.
You don't even need shims or picks. Just give a good go with a 1kg mallet punch and it comes apart. Pado, Papaiz.. all os these beefy brass padlocks never stood a chance
Please, what is your own PADLOCK bosnianbill?
I wonder if I can order the locks without keys.....for a discount. lol
You can get them free, storage rental units and gyms that lose their padlock keys will usually hand them over for nothing if you ask nicely.
now i'm scared
Br! Yayy
how about using a cross pick?
What's the point of using locks if most of them can be picked or shimmed in 30 seconds?
Good locks can't be shimmed. And you need skill to pick locks, and time. Petty thieves usually have none of those...
Just FYI, Michal, I was a police officer for many years, and never once worked a case where a criminal picked a lock to gain entry. That may be because if he did, he wasn't caught, or the crime wasn't even noticed, of course, but, in general, criminals prefer to throw a brick through a window and be in and out very quickly. Learning to pick locks takes time, dedication, and patience. He may as well go to college and get a job if he's going to do that!
Agreed with both. I'm a full time locksmith and I work with several different police departments in my area and MANY officers. I have NEVER met a police officer that has had any case were they strongly suspected the lock was picked (bypassed, yes, but not picked)... as far as shimming or bypassing, that's EXACTLY the wonderful thing about these videos and others like them, to help customers avoid the garbage. Flat out, no lock is "unpickable" in theory... if it can be opened by an authorized user, than it can be opened by an unauthorized one... eventually... but you'll get a LOT more "eventually" with a good lock than with garbage. Same goes with completely destroying a lock or structure... The good stuff is still destructible, but it's a LOT harder to destruct.
Here's the TRUE key to any sort of preventative security... Make it hard and or risky enough on the bad guy that they decide it's not worth it and move on... and while locks are a part of it, there's more involved. (Bill actually has a VERY comprehensive but easy to understand section on overall security at the locklab website) Real preventative security is ALWAYS layered.
That's why we are living in condos here...
Yeah, because there is no such a thing as a condo in America.
Gerson Moraes condoms lol
Come to CRT50
Eres un Demonio Bosnian Bill.
Yes sir !!!
1:38 3:10 😯🤣
Hi, Bosnian. If you were to ignore the pins (since you haven't shown them), would you consider it a 8/10? I mean, the gap for the shim seemed to be quite tight thanks to the strong spring and there are 16 pins so it's natural it would take longer to rake. I am no expert on locks but my guess is that a 8/10 would be a fair enough score for it, not too high, not too low.
Andrey Paes Get yourself an abus 8/10 and try to rake or shim that thing. You won't get in. So i would say this is more like 4/10.
Thanks forthe answer, Mr. Schmitz
You can easily stick a needle file in there, and with 60 second's work, carve a shallow groove on the side of the locking pawl, making it impossible to shim.
The lock then becomes a high security lock just by taking so long to pick(even with a rake).
Gosrei faz mas videos
Papaiz spools cotters
No, we don't call Brazil by CRT 50 hahahaha It's the model of the padlock, poor design I know I know
first again
no you were not ^^
Rats
yes he was first lol. just use newest comments and scroll down. and here he is. first again skygh
I know with a whole 2 seconds xD