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JUST FOR THIS VIDEO i didnt want to say- “this person sucks therefore this song sucks.” because that’s not very fun and i wanted to have the song presented as it is without blind prior judgement. that would be judging the person and not the actual music, and that *wasnt the goal of the video.* explaining here because im getting the same comment a lot. i dont care what you do in your personal life if you separate the artist from the art or not. i usually cant separate the art from artist like most people here. but FOR THIS VIDEO i looked at just the art
Thank you for talking about my song !!! I agree with Grapes with the vocals being a bit lacklustre in comparison to the instrumental. I'm still working on my range etc. so when writing that song I had to pick an annoying key to make sure my vocal would fit in naturally for when we perform it live. It meant that the chorus and outro lacks OOMPH vocally. The gang vocal helped but yeah! Really appreciate it.
@@JamesMarriott isn’t a melody, like, a very basic thing? You can’t really steal it, it’s like claiming you can steal a color pallet. That or I just don’t know what a melody is
It's insane how TMG songs are clearly made for fun and are just jokes but man they are very good in their own right which makes it worth listening to as you would normal songs it's impressive
The wall in the background is what I had when I had my first apt in my 20s and thought empty thrift store gold frames were the vibe. pretty sure I tied a stick to a fishing line and put it in one of them because it was ‘art.’ I’m almost 40 now and those frames have all found new homes
Gabbie Hanna still gonna Gabbie Hanna - that song finally landed on a vocal style she suits super well…but the forced attempts at edginess and awful video keeps it at her usual level.
Chapters: 2:24 - Gabbie Hannah 6:43 - Dream 11:33 - Tiny Meat Gang 12:51 - James Marriott 17:35 - Lia Marie Johnson 19:01 - Marc Rebillet 21:32 - Dev Lemons 23:14 - Blanks
As a career musician I can safely say you don't have to separate art from artist as much as people think, especially when it comes to meaning and intent in artistic expression. Techniques and the like are fair game, but even they're a product of one's inner thoughts
totally fair!! just FOR THIS VIDEO i didnt want to say- “this person sucks therefore this song sucks.” because that’s not very fun and i wanted to have the song presented as it is without blind prior judgement. that would be judging the person and not the actual music, and that wasnt the goal of the video. explaining here because im getting the same comment a lot
I work in film and completely agree. We all bring our own biases and ideas to our work, and each person can do what they do with vastly different intent. These biases and ideas influence intent, and I think you should be able to examine the intentions of the artist just as much as the art itself.
Alec Benjamin is actually an amazing artist! His music style is very unique, and songs like "If We Have Each Other" are very weell-written and tell stories.
If we have eachother deserves a grammy. It's very inspiring and perfectly written. A lot of storytelling in such a short time and it also sounds amazing.
One wrong turn from his new album blows me away every single time I listen to it. The set up to the bridge was done perfectly and I gasped when I first heard it.
I went to see Alec live recently and it was amazing. He is such an amazing artist. In my opinion: He has ( one of ) the best lyrics in Today's music industry.
i think it is important to separate the art from the artist if you’re giving an opinion or trying to criticize art but a lot of the time i hear this saying when it comes to me not listening or watching certain creators purely for entertainment. for me, i just genuinely can’t put a bad person’s song in my playlist because the entire time it’s playing i’m just thinking about what they’ve done and their drama. and then there’s also not wanting to support the individual by giving them constant views. even though i do think it’s important to separate art from artist in some occasions, it’s important to keep in mind the person you’re giving views and money too.
Yeah i agree with your point, its more about if the problematic artist themself will still get benefits which could be bad if they donate to problematic orgs as well.
Agreed. I don't know how to feel about say, ppl saying Trump is ugly. I watched another video by this youtuber where she made fun of a stand-up comedian and just felt like it was sad. Maybe not completely in bad taste, but... Idk. Criticizing stuff is fine. But I refuse to put a person down if they're not all there, or a product of boomer culture. Some ppl might like it, and I'm not gonna shame them for it. I can say my opinion, but not haze or spit on them. I don't remember the video she did on stand-up comedians that well but the first guy in the vid felt like she was making fun of the weird awkward kid in school, who might be undiagnosed with ASD. It would have been way more different if she made fun of a privileged, popular, asshole comedian or person. Which is why it's easier for me to make fun of that make-up guy rather than Shane Dawson. I know the majority hates him and looks at him as justifiably cancelled, but that's my current view. I suck at comparisons so feel free to try another. Tl;dr: I prefer ppl making fun of privileged ppl like how Carlin did, instead of how Bill Burr or whoever makes fun of minorities etc.
Yes, because at some point your level of interaction w this person's art isn't going to be so different from the artists other supporters that DO enable their behaviour. You're still pushing this person's career forward.
@@Venomonomonom If you're in the 6-figure range like Jim Breuer--the "comedian" you're referring to in her other video--you're privileged. And given how disabled he made people seem for getting something as mundane as a vaccination? No, he doesn't have a leg to stand on for your assertion that he might have "undiagnosed autism" which is the absolute buzzword of conservative culture anymore literally making comedy into abelism. But go off.
the gabbie hanna comment of her needing a creative in the room is EXACTLY how i feel about her stuff omg !!!! it's like if she could just chill for a second and accept that some ppl are just better than you at some things, even when it comes to your own ideas, she could build a team and be a rly good artist but it seems like she can't get past the idea of other peoples hands in her projects
I'm glad to see actual criticism of Dream's music for once. The only stuff I see are people crapping on him without any actual criticism. He has a lot of potential honestly.
yeah i think dream suffers from “first song” syndrome, because his two other collaborations were honestly good, while mask got so much hate and got memed on so hard he had to delete the video. i just think he needs more practice and finding what his sound is if he wants to make more music, cause his voice is nice
road trip had a catchy chorus and a good instrumental and that's kinda it, and even in the chorus his voice was as flat as it was in the rest of the song, and yeah I mean mask is just not a good song. I hadn't heard the alec benjamin collab until now but from what I heard in this video his voice sounded a lot better than his other two songs aside from that part where he went a little too hard into that indie accent. he definitely has potential, I've seen that since road trip, but he's still not quite there yet. (ps road trip was his first song, not mask, I don't know why they said mask was his first song)
@@speepealette2218 still though, mans is new the songwriting and i still like road trip nonetheless. it’s just a thing where i kinda feel sorry for him that he started trying songwriting with such a big platform already instead of working his way up his the music because the whole world watched him flop and it was a yikes
My problem with separating someone problematic or horrible from the media they create is you literally can't separate art from its artist in many cases specifically *because* their art is how they make a living. If buying an album means that person can use that money to abuse people or commit crime, I'd rather not be a part of that. For me, I'll consume that kind of art when it won't give them money. So like watching an AMV instead of the official music video, or watch a DVD I already have instead of streaming it. Generally stuff becomes fair game once they're dead (as long as their descendants aren't also terrible). A benefit of ditching artists who suck is there are plenty of lesser known or less popular people we could follow instead, instead of allowing shitty people to keep power. IMO there's plenty of artists out there with similar/better music who don't hurt people.
I also feel dirty when consuming because a lot of artists write about personal experiences so it’s like they’re trying to justify their shitty behavior
or when the art is one of the reasons why the artist is hated. for example, picasso. He was an abusive asshole and he painted his victims. His crimes leaked through to his art so you can't separate the art from the artist
If someone is problematic enough not to deserve your support monetarily or physically, they're not doing anything to enhance your life. You pulling out that DVD for you and friends to watch could mean they get that support from your friends. You illegally downloading things--because it remains illegal even after they're dead--tells hosts who you want, meaning someone has to go to the show/buy the thing/whatever to get it which feeds into the metrics of the popularity someone has and guarantees their next payment. The skyrocketing cost of entertainment has less to do with IP longevity and more to do with covering for widescale piracy--like how fashion designers have to get paid up-front because they don't make direct money off of piracy, but even the level of piracy is a metric that gets tracked for a lot of these artists anymore.
I think a few commenters missed the point a bit. The reality is that some really terrible people also happen to be talented musicians. Does that mean I’m going to give them plays and buy their music? Definitely not. If I found out that one of my favorite artists did something that did not align with my morals, I would stop listening. But I think the point of the video was to solely judge the artist’s talent.
yeah people are commenting about separating art and artist when it comes to actively supporting their art. this video is about critiquing the quality of the music.
God I love listening to music people talk about music. Takes me back to being a band kid in high school when I used to listen to some of my musically inclined friends talk theory. I love music but I’m actually just genuinely bad at it, so the best I can do is watch people who are good at it do their thing. Fills my heart with joy!
I love how the thumbnail and title make this video seem like a hate fest, but it's actually just two musically talented RUclipsrs jamming to a variety of styles. Love it.
Fr just throw away the video and it's a fucking vibe, you could tell me that Breaking Benjamin's daughter made that song and I'd be like, yeah makes sense
@@Raya-ir4tmbut she doesn’t tho 😭 I’m not a big fan of her but she IS a good singer. Like objectively, she’s a good singer she’s just a bit naturally raspy and you’ll know that if you’ve heard her sing any song other than that genius clip of monster, which she sang rlly well, the only problem was the mic quality
ive never had the pleasure of watching either of you before but I already love you both lmao. also really appreciated hthaze's comments about lia marie johnson, as someone who's been personally affected by addiction watching her spiral after the react series and seeing her be ridiculed instead of offered the help she obviously needed was so disheartening. will definitely be checking out both of your solo content :-) have a good one!
I think it makes sense that people don’t want to separate art and artist, because at the end of the day why would you want to support a trash human being’s career (ie Gabby) by listening to their music, regardless of how objectively good it is
Yeah I just think the goal of this video was to analyse / critique the music on its own, that doesn't absolve the creators of their past actions, its just not what the video is about
a sequel to the year old video?? you actually made it?? i can’t believe it i’m so happy rn thank you gabi also, congrats on 100k :) us not so good gatekeepers are bringing the support very well 😤
Dream's first song is actually roadtrip. Mask was his second then change clothes was the third. Love the video! Just wanted to let you know if you ever see this comment
I'm really happy I found your channel. I enjoy the comedy of Danny, Kurtis and Drew, but you are by far my favourite female creator. It's never been about male or female for me, I'm just extremely happy there is another CREATOR making such great videos with same taste of humour I so dearly enjoy. Please keep up, I've been bingeing your videos and I think you certainly deserve your massive rise you are about to receive
No bc tell me why when he was talking about how they actually lower the pitch when they say change the pitch like that is some genius level analysis and not very apparent. And Gabi was going like "oh, hmm thats interesting" bc she's polite lmao.
@@TheVivaciousNerd cuz homeboy was talking more than she was and talking over her, I had to double check and make sure this was on her channel lol. Still a good video tho
This might be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think art should be separated from the artist. The art is is the artist usually, not in every case, like Disney stars who are contracted to sing and stuff like that, but like people like Gabbie Hannah. They’re art is still connected to someone who’s done or is doing bad things and refuse to take accountability for it. It’s hard to like a song when I know the person who sang it is racist or homophobic or just a bad person, because I know that the person singing the song Hayes people like me then. That’s just my thoughts, sorry for the paragraph
I think both things can be analyzed separately, but it shouldn’t be used as an excuse. Like if someone is supporting a creator for their art but they’re racist/homophobic/transphobic/sexist/ableist/etc, then you can’t just say you’re departing art from artist. However analysis of art by bad people can be very useful such as with classic books, a particular song that may be significant to someone, etc. I appreciate what you said, though. People don’t think hard enough and use excuses to enjoy things without being critical
But then… when you like a random song, do you research everything about the person who made it? Do you keep this same energy with every random song you hear? Sounds exhausting
i really appreciate this video. as someone who loves music and discovering new music, this video (especially the back half of it) legitimately had me looking up some of the more underrated artists highlighted in this video. that blanks song had me straightening my posture, it was so good
HI I found you from your collab with Annieamarie and I adore your content!!! I'm actually super out of touch with popular music in general so this was really cool to find all these new artists!!! 23:57 was great I danced along too haha
Ahhhhh an Alec Benjamin spotlight moment! He's so freaking talented and I finally got to see him live in September of last year. Definitely check out his work! His lyrics are chef's kiss 🤌
Alec Benjamin apreciation post. He's an awesome artist and so underrated. The lyrics he writes are AMAZING. Refreshing and touching. He sends a message. Especially with songs like "If we have eachother" or "Demons" or "I built a friend".
Honestly, I'm so scared nowadays of clicking on any videos involving dream's music. No one is pretending it's perfect, but it's really disheartening seeing him get bullied for his first attempts. I'm so happy with how you both approached this
no but same tho. i got so nervous seeing his blob in the thumbnail and skipped straight to his part. it's terrifying not knowing whether someone's going to give him a fair shake or just shit on him because he's dream :(
maybe it was just me having an unhealthy obsession with the album in my teen years but all i can hear with that james marriott song is tourist history by two door cinema club
strong intersection between people who don't take themselves seriously, and songs that are kinda actually good on this list!! the ppl who want their music to be legit, but are simultaneously willing to take criticism/don't think they're completely without flaw/aren't over-serious are the best :))
damn I actually love this video. ik sometimes commentary youtubers struggle w making videos ab things they have mostly positive feelings ab that still engage their audience (e.g. noel miller’s go kart vids), but this hits the nail on the head. idk if gabi has that issue, I haven’t been watching very long, but I just noticed I was grinning the whole time they were gassing up tmg’s stuff. I dig the good vibes a lot :)))
Oh my gosh!!! Someone talking about Alec!!! Hes one of my favorite artists ive been following his music for like 6 or 7 years now. Hes so wonderful i feel like a proud mom or something seeing him get bigger and more recognition lol
I think a lot of Gabbies music is pretty good. Like I dont like her as a person but something about the Pillowcase and Butterflies music videos and music I really enjoy
HTHAZE is so cute. I watched him a lot last year but kind of stopped and haven't seen his content for a while now. But now I'm gonna check him out again because he definitely knows a lot about music.
I don't think Gabbie will ever be able to get past her ego enough to make videos that aren't just her flailing around, or to work with anyone who tries to direct her sound.
i feel like Mark Ribbet is like the music version of automatic drawing or writing like it helps so many creatives make stuff they never would have thought of! goofing around-you can’t beat it :)
as someone who makes music and film and stuff, i truly don’t think you can ever separate the art from the artist. everything i make has pieces of me, influences from my life, life experience, etc.
ngl that gabbie hanna song is kind of giving In This Moment a little bit and i LOVE it!! her voice is very well-suited to that ‘gritty’ femme-fatale metal style that gabi belle mentioned and i would be super excited to see it paired with the music video concept that she and troy described :D edit: holy shit i completely forgot about lia marie johnson. i didn’t even recognize her at first until i really got a close look at her face and holy SHIT what a throwback 😭 the little taste of her music that we got in this video seems really pretty so hey, good for her. imma have to look into the drama cos i think i missed out on that part of her life,, i’m glad she’s better tho
For objectivity's sake, separating art from the artist is great which is what y'all did. Though I'm sure for most, they're thinking in terms of consuming the art for entertainment/pleasure like how we watch youtube videos or play songs on repeat during a car ride.
im so glad james was in this i enjoy his content and his music. i think he deserves recognition. i recommend watching his streams, if u want a discomfort streamer
James Marriott is a legend. His music sounds like a mix of Japanese artist Eve (most often 'Dramaturgy' or 'Kaikai Kitan' vibes) and early 2010s pop songs but with a little British sprinkled in, and I'm here for it!
I love the fact that you guys are actually giving the songs a chance, because most of the time youtubers just talk shit about them and then I feel bad about the fact that I like some of them.
This is such a positive and fun video, no bad vibes from it and still it's comment section is a literal mess. People focusing on the ah, so very profound topic of separating the art from the artist, to the assholes claiming that you guys don't know music bc something something gabbie hana and their song being of a GENRE that sucks ass apparently. Istg people just like drama and being mean.
i mean i'm here for a goofy fun time but i also really appreciate the honest and yet respectful critiques of these songs :) i love james' music as well as tmg's and i think it's really cool to see the evolution of each of their progress throughout their years of making music. like i remember when broke bitch came out and everyone had a collective moment of "cody has finally found a really good, smooth, natural singing voice! :D" similarly, i think james has gotten more creative and bold with his music in the last few years and i really love seeing him progress like that :) great video! i love seeing you talk about music
Okay so when I saw Gabbi Hannah was going to be in this line up I was really expecting it to be awful like her previous song.. but Im not gonna lie the Paramore/icon for hire sound actually really works for her.
Being a former avid Alec Benjamin listener, that beginning guitar piece is basically his whole thing and the song really emulates Dream’s improvement and the fact that sometimes help from others can really give that push that you need.
I think it’s interesting how willing we are to “separate the artist from the art”. People are biased and bring these biases to their work, so art is influenced by the artist’s mind. At the same time, people are multi-dimensional and capable of a wide breadth of actions. What I’m saying is, bad people can do good things and good people do bad things. That’s not to say that separating artist from the art is always the right thing to do either. Like much of life, it’s a grey area and very complex and usually depends on a case by case scenario. I know that this video wasn’t really discussing this topic but y’all touched on it so my brain latched on. I will say, thanks for introducing me to some great new artists, I can’t wait to check out more of Marc Rebillet and Lia Marie Johnson.
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you should def listen to alec benjamin
JUST FOR THIS VIDEO i didnt want to say- “this person sucks therefore this song sucks.” because that’s not very fun and i wanted to have the song presented as it is without blind prior judgement. that would be judging the person and not the actual music, and that *wasnt the goal of the video.* explaining here because im getting the same comment a lot. i dont care what you do in your personal life if you separate the artist from the art or not. i usually cant separate the art from artist like most people here. but FOR THIS VIDEO i looked at just the art
@@tanja5335 is there something wrong with alec benjamen? or is it like a genuine i like this person reccomnendation? if you like hum htnak you
ERROR why would there be smth wrong with Alec? I like his music
@@tanja5335 this is a roasting video, I expected the comment to be like a this dude is bad or smth
Thank you for talking about my song !!!
I agree with Grapes with the vocals being a bit lacklustre in comparison to the instrumental. I'm still working on my range etc. so when writing that song I had to pick an annoying key to make sure my vocal would fit in naturally for when we perform it live. It meant that the chorus and outro lacks OOMPH vocally. The gang vocal helped but yeah! Really appreciate it.
Jaame
Also I completely missed that I subconsciously wrote a very similar melody to Glad You Came, it irritates me to this day LOL
i liked it
@@JamesMarriott isn’t a melody, like, a very basic thing? You can’t really steal it, it’s like claiming you can steal a color pallet. That or I just don’t know what a melody is
@@JamesMarriott hey man, I once stole the bass line from Waterloo for a tune I composed, we all do it and we all hate it lmao
As a former H&M employee I can confirm that ‘H&M pop’ is absolutely a genre
As a current h&m customer, I can confirm.
LMAO
Me and my girl have a 5 hr playlist of only H&M pop
as a current H&M manager, all we play in the store is 12 hrs of H&M pop.
@@ball1975 you gotta leak that playlist fam
“Cody Ko is one of the Jubilee REACTS kids”is one of the most jarring statements I’ve heard in a non political video in a long time. 😂
same omg
No fr 💀
Where is the lie in that statement tho 😭
And moments later being called a bitch boy
The fact that I wasn't sure if this was a statement or a joke !!!!!! THE FACT
It's insane how TMG songs are clearly made for fun and are just jokes but man they are very good in their own right which makes it worth listening to as you would normal songs it's impressive
noels new solo music is super dope too highly recommend it
@@Cyruseh It's great to see Noel develop his directing too its fun and really well done
Yesss! I love Cody and Noel and they’ve come so far! Their podcast, music and videos in general keeps on improving and I’m so happy for them!
@@dhan07404 pacemaker put me on to his solo music it even makes an appearance in my daily playlist
It's almost as if they really love music and do it for the sake of it and not just fame
Gabbie Hannah’s video just looks like an angsty teen who needs to prove she’s *actually* emo
Right?
This absolutely sucks, yea…but are there emo guidelines or something?? “actually emo” lmao
yes and Gabbie does not meet them.
@@mollykircher3104 🤣🤣
The wall in the background is what I had when I had my first apt in my 20s and thought empty thrift store gold frames were the vibe. pretty sure I tied a stick to a fishing line and put it in one of them because it was ‘art.’ I’m almost 40 now and those frames have all found new homes
17:02 proud to have made an unofficial feature in a gabi belle video!!
I thought I’d seen you!
Gabbie Hanna still gonna Gabbie Hanna - that song finally landed on a vocal style she suits super well…but the forced attempts at edginess and awful video keeps it at her usual level.
Can’t really be edgy when you’re part of the most privileged class
@@jenm1 so you cant be rice and into dark stuff ?.
@@mariahthemarionette6536 pft, I’m _pretty_ sure dark humor ppl eat rice
yonko ????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Chapters:
2:24 - Gabbie Hannah
6:43 - Dream
11:33 - Tiny Meat Gang
12:51 - James Marriott
17:35 - Lia Marie Johnson
19:01 - Marc Rebillet
21:32 - Dev Lemons
23:14 - Blanks
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Goat
No hate but James Marriott starts at 15:52
As a career musician I can safely say you don't have to separate art from artist as much as people think, especially when it comes to meaning and intent in artistic expression. Techniques and the like are fair game, but even they're a product of one's inner thoughts
totally fair!! just FOR THIS VIDEO i didnt want to say- “this person sucks therefore this song sucks.” because that’s not very fun and i wanted to have the song presented as it is without blind prior judgement. that would be judging the person and not the actual music, and that wasnt the goal of the video. explaining here because im getting the same comment a lot
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As someone that's not a career musician, I agree with that honesty
I work in film and completely agree. We all bring our own biases and ideas to our work, and each person can do what they do with vastly different intent. These biases and ideas influence intent, and I think you should be able to examine the intentions of the artist just as much as the art itself.
@@theKaraProject i think you're either missing or overthinking the point here
Alec Benjamin is actually an amazing artist! His music style is very unique, and songs like "If We Have Each Other" are very weell-written and tell stories.
If we have eachother deserves a grammy. It's very inspiring and perfectly written. A lot of storytelling in such a short time and it also sounds amazing.
One wrong turn from his new album blows me away every single time I listen to it. The set up to the bridge was done perfectly and I gasped when I first heard it.
I went to see Alec live recently and it was amazing. He is such an amazing artist. In my opinion: He has ( one of ) the best lyrics in Today's music industry.
Yeah I love his music too, i felt little sad when Gabbie doesn't knw him
*me reading the comments before watching the video* alec was a youtuber???
i think it is important to separate the art from the artist if you’re giving an opinion or trying to criticize art but a lot of the time i hear this saying when it comes to me not listening or watching certain creators purely for entertainment. for me, i just genuinely can’t put a bad person’s song in my playlist because the entire time it’s playing i’m just thinking about what they’ve done and their drama. and then there’s also not wanting to support the individual by giving them constant views. even though i do think it’s important to separate art from artist in some occasions, it’s important to keep in mind the person you’re giving views and money too.
Yeah i agree with your point, its more about if the problematic artist themself will still get benefits which could be bad if they donate to problematic orgs as well.
Agreed. I don't know how to feel about say, ppl saying Trump is ugly. I watched another video by this youtuber where she made fun of a stand-up comedian and just felt like it was sad. Maybe not completely in bad taste, but... Idk. Criticizing stuff is fine. But I refuse to put a person down if they're not all there, or a product of boomer culture. Some ppl might like it, and I'm not gonna shame them for it. I can say my opinion, but not haze or spit on them. I don't remember the video she did on stand-up comedians that well but the first guy in the vid felt like she was making fun of the weird awkward kid in school, who might be undiagnosed with ASD. It would have been way more different if she made fun of a privileged, popular, asshole comedian or person. Which is why it's easier for me to make fun of that make-up guy rather than Shane Dawson.
I know the majority hates him and looks at him as justifiably cancelled, but that's my current view. I suck at comparisons so feel free to try another. Tl;dr:
I prefer ppl making fun of privileged ppl like how Carlin did, instead of how Bill Burr or whoever makes fun of minorities etc.
Yes, because at some point your level of interaction w this person's art isn't going to be so different from the artists other supporters that DO enable their behaviour. You're still pushing this person's career forward.
@@Venomonomonom How is Shane Dawson not privileged?
@@Venomonomonom If you're in the 6-figure range like Jim Breuer--the "comedian" you're referring to in her other video--you're privileged. And given how disabled he made people seem for getting something as mundane as a vaccination? No, he doesn't have a leg to stand on for your assertion that he might have "undiagnosed autism" which is the absolute buzzword of conservative culture anymore literally making comedy into abelism.
But go off.
the gabbie hanna comment of her needing a creative in the room is EXACTLY how i feel about her stuff omg !!!! it's like if she could just chill for a second and accept that some ppl are just better than you at some things, even when it comes to your own ideas, she could build a team and be a rly good artist but it seems like she can't get past the idea of other peoples hands in her projects
I'm glad to see actual criticism of Dream's music for once. The only stuff I see are people crapping on him without any actual criticism. He has a lot of potential honestly.
This is actually a good response but I can’t take it seriously because w i l b u r s f o o t
i swear wilbur foot is everywhere
why... your *everywhere*
your username lmaooo
Omg wilba foot
yeah i think dream suffers from “first song” syndrome, because his two other collaborations were honestly good, while mask got so much hate and got memed on so hard he had to delete the video.
i just think he needs more practice and finding what his sound is if he wants to make more music, cause his voice is nice
road trip had a catchy chorus and a good instrumental and that's kinda it, and even in the chorus his voice was as flat as it was in the rest of the song, and yeah I mean mask is just not a good song.
I hadn't heard the alec benjamin collab until now but from what I heard in this video his voice sounded a lot better than his other two songs aside from that part where he went a little too hard into that indie accent. he definitely has potential, I've seen that since road trip, but he's still not quite there yet.
(ps road trip was his first song, not mask, I don't know why they said mask was his first song)
@@speepealette2218 still though, mans is new the songwriting and i still like road trip nonetheless. it’s just a thing where i kinda feel sorry for him that he started trying songwriting with such a big platform already instead of working his way up his the music because the whole world watched him flop and it was a yikes
Not everyone needs to write their own songs and this perfect example of why
@@nailinthefashion i mean they can if they want, it’s just the internet doesn’t have to like them
@@thealmightybucket5930 and so thus if something is posted it can't be expected to be unanimously praised
My problem with separating someone problematic or horrible from the media they create is you literally can't separate art from its artist in many cases specifically *because* their art is how they make a living. If buying an album means that person can use that money to abuse people or commit crime, I'd rather not be a part of that.
For me, I'll consume that kind of art when it won't give them money. So like watching an AMV instead of the official music video, or watch a DVD I already have instead of streaming it. Generally stuff becomes fair game once they're dead (as long as their descendants aren't also terrible).
A benefit of ditching artists who suck is there are plenty of lesser known or less popular people we could follow instead, instead of allowing shitty people to keep power. IMO there's plenty of artists out there with similar/better music who don't hurt people.
I also feel dirty when consuming because a lot of artists write about personal experiences so it’s like they’re trying to justify their shitty behavior
Very well said. Art is an extension of oneself, making it impossible to separate the two.
or when the art is one of the reasons why the artist is hated. for example, picasso. He was an abusive asshole and he painted his victims. His crimes leaked through to his art so you can't separate the art from the artist
exactly! libraries are a great way to read books without supporting the author directly
If someone is problematic enough not to deserve your support monetarily or physically, they're not doing anything to enhance your life.
You pulling out that DVD for you and friends to watch could mean they get that support from your friends.
You illegally downloading things--because it remains illegal even after they're dead--tells hosts who you want, meaning someone has to go to the show/buy the thing/whatever to get it which feeds into the metrics of the popularity someone has and guarantees their next payment. The skyrocketing cost of entertainment has less to do with IP longevity and more to do with covering for widescale piracy--like how fashion designers have to get paid up-front because they don't make direct money off of piracy, but even the level of piracy is a metric that gets tracked for a lot of these artists anymore.
I think a few commenters missed the point a bit. The reality is that some really terrible people also happen to be talented musicians. Does that mean I’m going to give them plays and buy their music? Definitely not. If I found out that one of my favorite artists did something that did not align with my morals, I would stop listening. But I think the point of the video was to solely judge the artist’s talent.
yeah people are commenting about separating art and artist when it comes to actively supporting their art. this video is about critiquing the quality of the music.
this is truly a collab i didn’t know i needed but i would never have wanted anything else
Literally obsessed with Cody being recognized as “a guy from jubilee”
the first recommended video i got is that Jubilee episode with Cody as a featured guest
That's all the lil shit deserves
I like that it’s “attempts at music,” like they don’t even produce sound. Hilarious as always! And cool collab~
God I love listening to music people talk about music. Takes me back to being a band kid in high school when I used to listen to some of my musically inclined friends talk theory. I love music but I’m actually just genuinely bad at it, so the best I can do is watch people who are good at it do their thing. Fills my heart with joy!
James Marriotts song reminds me of "I'm Glad You Came."
Also, how did you guys review James Marriott AND Dream but not Wilbur Soot!! Great video
Wilbur was reviewed in her previous youtuber songs review!
@@carysbebard3690 Oh thanks for the clarification!
"Glad You Came" via Two Door Cinema Club
@@carysbebard3690 Could you send me a link pls?
I love how the thumbnail and title make this video seem like a hate fest, but it's actually just two musically talented RUclipsrs jamming to a variety of styles. Love it.
idk who this dude is but he has the energy of a fifth grader telling a fourth grader that he gets to hang out in the teachers lounge and drink coffee
Bro has the energy of an entire corn field
@@maryooowoahh nah i'm cool seems like a prick
he is beige
I just realized Logan Paul and Jake Paul are 2 people
real ☠️
wait they are
“Ready for a kids birthday party but showing up effed up” I think that’s how Gabbie identifies
19:27 WHAT! That’s the guy from literally the only YT ad I ever watch. I never knew his name but I loved the whole vibe. This video is a gamechanger
Gabbi blew me away with that not not gonna lie. Her dance is cringe as fuck but she sounded good honestly
Fr just throw away the video and it's a fucking vibe, you could tell me that Breaking Benjamin's daughter made that song and I'd be like, yeah makes sense
It had a Paramore vibe
@@KMAC-mf4dk it did not
@@Raya-ir4tmbut she doesn’t tho 😭 I’m not a big fan of her but she IS a good singer. Like objectively, she’s a good singer she’s just a bit naturally raspy and you’ll know that if you’ve heard her sing any song other than that genius clip of monster, which she sang rlly well, the only problem was the mic quality
oh yeah i got several songs of hers on my playlists and theyre SO GOOD shjdkakjd
ive never had the pleasure of watching either of you before but I already love you both lmao. also really appreciated hthaze's comments about lia marie johnson, as someone who's been personally affected by addiction watching her spiral after the react series and seeing her be ridiculed instead of offered the help she obviously needed was so disheartening. will definitely be checking out both of your solo content :-) have a good one!
I think it makes sense that people don’t want to separate art and artist, because at the end of the day why would you want to support a trash human being’s career (ie Gabby) by listening to their music, regardless of how objectively good it is
Yeah. I feel like it's really a case-by-case basis. Like if someone's an abuser vs just being kind of cringy
Yeah I just think the goal of this video was to analyse / critique the music on its own, that doesn't absolve the creators of their past actions, its just not what the video is about
Plus in the case of Gabbie it’s just 2000s pop-punk which everybody and their mom is doing atm cause nostalgia
@@TheVivaciousNerd but they aren’t making that argument a few minutes in.
@@jotunn30 mhm, plenty of people are doing it and doing it better than her, and don’t have shitty track records.
This video is how I found James Marriott’s music last year and I am now obsessed! Thanks Gabi!
a sequel to the year old video?? you actually made it?? i can’t believe it i’m so happy rn thank you gabi
also, congrats on 100k :) us not so good gatekeepers are bringing the support very well 😤
Dream's first song is actually roadtrip. Mask was his second then change clothes was the third. Love the video! Just wanted to let you know if you ever see this comment
I think they counted mask as his first song because road trip was also technically a collab
Troy kinda looks like Kody and Noel’s love child.
I'm really happy I found your channel. I enjoy the comedy of Danny, Kurtis and Drew, but you are by far my favourite female creator.
It's never been about male or female for me, I'm just extremely happy there is another CREATOR making such great videos with same taste of humour I so dearly enjoy.
Please keep up, I've been bingeing your videos and I think you certainly deserve your massive rise you are about to receive
so far, this has been such a good HTHAZE video… i would recommend this topic to gabi bele and see what she has to say about these artists.
No bc tell me why when he was talking about how they actually lower the pitch when they say change the pitch like that is some genius level analysis and not very apparent. And Gabi was going like "oh, hmm thats interesting" bc she's polite lmao.
I don't understand 😅
@@TheVivaciousNerd cuz homeboy was talking more than she was and talking over her, I had to double check and make sure this was on her channel lol. Still a good video tho
Something about the way they vibe to the music while also awkwardly humming into their mic’s is endearing.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think art should be separated from the artist. The art is is the artist usually, not in every case, like Disney stars who are contracted to sing and stuff like that, but like people like Gabbie Hannah. They’re art is still connected to someone who’s done or is doing bad things and refuse to take accountability for it. It’s hard to like a song when I know the person who sang it is racist or homophobic or just a bad person, because I know that the person singing the song Hayes people like me then. That’s just my thoughts, sorry for the paragraph
also there is no truly impartial creation of art. someone's views or beliefs are always going to filter into their work in some way or another
I think both things can be analyzed separately, but it shouldn’t be used as an excuse. Like if someone is supporting a creator for their art but they’re racist/homophobic/transphobic/sexist/ableist/etc, then you can’t just say you’re departing art from artist. However analysis of art by bad people can be very useful such as with classic books, a particular song that may be significant to someone, etc. I appreciate what you said, though. People don’t think hard enough and use excuses to enjoy things without being critical
Bro, agreed. I can't support someone who's morally messed up. I may like your music but once I find out the type of person you are we're done here
but then every person from classic rock was pretty much a bad person too and no one blinks an eye there.
But then… when you like a random song, do you research everything about the person who made it? Do you keep this same energy with every random song you hear?
Sounds exhausting
You guys are very positive and encouraging, I like that
TMG was unironically my top played artist on Spotify the last two years. I was about to FIGHT if they said anything bad! 😂
As someone that’s getting into creating music it’s so refreshing to hear “RUclips music” that isn’t just 12 year olds flexing in Bugatti’s
Lil tay with that flex
Check out Quadecca - Sisyphus that shit goes so hard for. “RUclips music”
i really appreciate this video. as someone who loves music and discovering new music, this video (especially the back half of it) legitimately had me looking up some of the more underrated artists highlighted in this video. that blanks song had me straightening my posture, it was so good
The first song from gab is played in Eb tuning, rather than E standard. I gotta say, respect for that low tuning
This honestly made my day cause I just watched part 1 earlier and was wondering if or when part 2 will be made and low behold here it is
Same!
I’ve never really heard people talk about James’s music so I’m glad you guys did, I really like his songs (especially sleeping on trains).
troy and gabi literally put me in such a good mood i love watching them vibe to music so much…please do another collab i need the serotonin!!!
HI I found you from your collab with Annieamarie and I adore your content!!! I'm actually super out of touch with popular music in general so this was really cool to find all these new artists!!!
23:57 was great I danced along too haha
Unironically, my vecna wake up song is short king anthem by TMG, no other song has the staying power
this is such a feel good collab! youre both so positive i love it
i love how blunt HT is lol. also couldn't agree with yall more about these songs
Blanks makes such bops. His music is the only youtuber music that actually makes it into my playlists.
Ahhhhh an Alec Benjamin spotlight moment! He's so freaking talented and I finally got to see him live in September of last year. Definitely check out his work! His lyrics are chef's kiss 🤌
Alec Benjamin apreciation post. He's an awesome artist and so underrated. The lyrics he writes are AMAZING. Refreshing and touching. He sends a message. Especially with songs like "If we have eachother" or "Demons" or "I built a friend".
ahh if u love those listen to his new album thats not very new, (Un)Commentary
Honestly, I'm so scared nowadays of clicking on any videos involving dream's music. No one is pretending it's perfect, but it's really disheartening seeing him get bullied for his first attempts. I'm so happy with how you both approached this
no but same tho. i got so nervous seeing his blob in the thumbnail and skipped straight to his part. it's terrifying not knowing whether someone's going to give him a fair shake or just shit on him because he's dream :(
This literally opened up a whole new world of music for me thank you so much😭
maybe it was just me having an unhealthy obsession with the album in my teen years but all i can hear with that james marriott song is tourist history by two door cinema club
thank you for being nice and respectful to dream
strong intersection between people who don't take themselves seriously, and songs that are kinda actually good on this list!! the ppl who want their music to be legit, but are simultaneously willing to take criticism/don't think they're completely without flaw/aren't over-serious are the best :))
I really like the way you edit it's really nice
damn I actually love this video. ik sometimes commentary youtubers struggle w making videos ab things they have mostly positive feelings ab that still engage their audience (e.g. noel miller’s go kart vids), but this hits the nail on the head. idk if gabi has that issue, I haven’t been watching very long, but I just noticed I was grinning the whole time they were gassing up tmg’s stuff. I dig the good vibes a lot :)))
Marc is a genius - and masterful performer - and, you didn’t show it, but he has a phenomenal singing voice
I thoroughly enjoyed this video!
Oh my gosh!!! Someone talking about Alec!!! Hes one of my favorite artists ive been following his music for like 6 or 7 years now. Hes so wonderful i feel like a proud mom or something seeing him get bigger and more recognition lol
I think a lot of Gabbies music is pretty good. Like I dont like her as a person but something about the Pillowcase and Butterflies music videos and music I really enjoy
The channel will hit at least 500 000 in about a year, mark my word.
You check all the boxes.
Your videos slaps
I love it
Gabi thank you for the rubber soul representation in the back of all your videos. It is much needed
I am such a big fan of Mark Rebillet it was exciting to see you guys talk about him. He is so good at singing. His spotify has some good songs
Dev Lemons actually makes some great stuff! It's so colorful and fun
Her latest one's great fun.
HTHAZE is so cute. I watched him a lot last year but kind of stopped and haven't seen his content for a while now. But now I'm gonna check him out again because he definitely knows a lot about music.
I don't think Gabbie will ever be able to get past her ego enough to make videos that aren't just her flailing around, or to work with anyone who tries to direct her sound.
i feel like Mark Ribbet is like the music version of automatic drawing or writing like it helps so many creatives make stuff they never would have thought of! goofing around-you can’t beat it :)
So glad Dev Lemons is on this list I love her music SO MUCH 🍋🍋🍋
I've enjoyed a few of her recent songs, she's really rocking it lately.
If you didn't tell me that was gabby hannah... I never would have guessed that in a million years. I actually want to give that song a full listen to
as someone who makes music and film and stuff, i truly don’t think you can ever separate the art from the artist. everything i make has pieces of me, influences from my life, life experience, etc.
the james marriott song sounds like it was created by an AI where the only input was Two Door Cinema Club albums
That song sounds almost identical to "What You Know", it defninitely seems like they were a little bit "inspired" by that one.
Just found your channel earlier today, good stuff :)
lool, appreciating Cody aged great. Do the Cody Co... that got a whole new meaning
Goddamn, that Gabbi Hanna song is actually really good if you pretend the music video doesn't exist
ngl that gabbie hanna song is kind of giving In This Moment a little bit and i LOVE it!! her voice is very well-suited to that ‘gritty’ femme-fatale metal style that gabi belle mentioned and i would be super excited to see it paired with the music video concept that she and troy described :D
edit: holy shit i completely forgot about lia marie johnson. i didn’t even recognize her at first until i really got a close look at her face and holy SHIT what a throwback 😭 the little taste of her music that we got in this video seems really pretty so hey, good for her. imma have to look into the drama cos i think i missed out on that part of her life,, i’m glad she’s better tho
i will say gabbie’s voice does well with the more paramore type sound so good for her but wtf is the makeup she’s wearing in that video ?
@@CajunReaper95 i’m not saying she sounds like paramore im saying it’s the same genre dummy
Two of my favorite RUclipsrs! Love the video!
For objectivity's sake, separating art from the artist is great which is what y'all did. Though I'm sure for most, they're thinking in terms of consuming the art for entertainment/pleasure like how we watch youtube videos or play songs on repeat during a car ride.
Exactly what I was thinking when reading a lot of these comments
im so glad james was in this i enjoy his content and his music. i think he deserves recognition. i recommend watching his streams, if u want a discomfort streamer
James Marriott is a legend. His music sounds like a mix of Japanese artist Eve (most often 'Dramaturgy' or 'Kaikai Kitan' vibes) and early 2010s pop songs but with a little British sprinkled in, and I'm here for it!
this is actually a nice and interesting concept for a video. great job, keep up the good work!
Don’t think you fooled me for one second. Everybody can tell that is Noel in disguise critiquing his own music.
Dude really looks like someone mixed Cody and Noel into one person
RIGHT I THOUGHT I WAS CARZY THAT HE LOOK LIKE BOTH BOYS
I love the fact that you guys are actually giving the songs a chance, because most of the time youtubers just talk shit about them and then I feel bad about the fact that I like some of them.
16:00 wait that guys a RUclipsr? I love that song (I’ve got it saved on my Apple Music)
I got to run sound for mark when he lived in dallas before he became big. Dude is a fucking legend, and is the nicest person you'll meet.
This is such a positive and fun video, no bad vibes from it and still it's comment section is a literal mess. People focusing on the ah, so very profound topic of separating the art from the artist, to the assholes claiming that you guys don't know music bc something something gabbie hana and their song being of a GENRE that sucks ass apparently. Istg people just like drama and being mean.
^^^^^^
i mean i'm here for a goofy fun time but i also really appreciate the honest and yet respectful critiques of these songs :) i love james' music as well as tmg's and i think it's really cool to see the evolution of each of their progress throughout their years of making music. like i remember when broke bitch came out and everyone had a collective moment of "cody has finally found a really good, smooth, natural singing voice! :D" similarly, i think james has gotten more creative and bold with his music in the last few years and i really love seeing him progress like that :)
great video! i love seeing you talk about music
I love how they said they were gonna roast them and proceeded to love most of the songs lol
i like how the title is roasting youtubers attempts at music yet theyre being incredibly nice and finding every way to compliment it
Gabi Hannahs song just feels like paramore 🧍
Súper glad yall did this love both ur channels
Okay so when I saw Gabbi Hannah was going to be in this line up I was really expecting it to be awful like her previous song.. but Im not gonna lie the Paramore/icon for hire sound actually really works for her.
Being a former avid Alec Benjamin listener, that beginning guitar piece is basically his whole thing and the song really emulates Dream’s improvement and the fact that sometimes help from others can really give that push that you need.
Honestly I thought these RUclipsrs' music would be trash but I was honestly impressed, some even slapped!
Ima black guy from the city that listens to mostly rap music...yall putting me on to some new sounds 🔥
dropped a like especially for the jujutsu kasien sukuna reference
I genuinely love this video so much
I think it’s interesting how willing we are to “separate the artist from the art”. People are biased and bring these biases to their work, so art is influenced by the artist’s mind. At the same time, people are multi-dimensional and capable of a wide breadth of actions. What I’m saying is, bad people can do good things and good people do bad things. That’s not to say that separating artist from the art is always the right thing to do either. Like much of life, it’s a grey area and very complex and usually depends on a case by case scenario.
I know that this video wasn’t really discussing this topic but y’all touched on it so my brain latched on. I will say, thanks for introducing me to some great new artists, I can’t wait to check out more of Marc Rebillet and Lia Marie Johnson.