I think women are great gossipers so they point you in the direction of a good joke or re-tell it....but it's rare for a female to make your stomach hurt off a original joke...Men do it all the time
my comment was just about how weird it is that the female comedy industry has like no actually funny people when so many women are funny, but the replies are talking about women being “objectively unfunny” or some shit now??💀
I don't understand why they chose Lily Singh to be a late night host. She's literally a children's entertainer. She makes jokes for kids and her subscribers subscribed while going through puberty. Her comedy is just about how parents suck and embarrassing yourself in front of your school crush. Did they like not look into her at all? I just don't understand. Like it makes sense why she'd accept. It's a win for her no matter what but for them?
Lily Sighn was doomed because of the schedule she was given for her show. I watched her vlogs and she looked so burnt out due to the crazy schedule. In spite of that she kept a smile and went through it bravely. She even admitted in a vlog when reflecting on season 1 the things that didn’t work. Season 2 felt like the right format and suited her better. It was really poor negotiation and over cautiousness that lead to the shows downfall.
Yeah this video just picks the worst. Sarah millican has been an icon of comedy in the UK for ages. Going to see her in a couple months. Ali Wong and Taylor tomlinson are brilliant. There are plenty out there.
i'm pretty sure they were literally just going "we need more diversity and lilly is already famous" because she does not have the skills to be a late night host
I agree but I think some people can pull it off well and it suits them. Bill Burr comes to mind. One of my all time faves but everytime I watch him I gotta watch my volume or I’ll bust an eardrum lol
Your reason for Mulan feeling more genuine than Captain Marvel is spot on. Mulan wasn't powerful because she was just as "manly" or as much of a fighter as men. She was powerful because she specifically used her own skill set. She relied on cleverness and strategy rather than raw strength. Things like disarming Shan Yu with a fan, a symbol of femininity, and then using his own sword against him is great because she's not just out-strengthing him. Mulan climbing the column in training was possible because, despite not being as strong as the other soldiers, she was just as if not more capable using traits that aren't stereotypically masculine. Captain Marvel devolved into "I can punch holes in your ship" which, while really fun to watch, doesn't really have any nuance to it.
Ya it’s fine to not have nuance in superhero action movies, sometimes you just want to watch someone throw cars and fly and smash people across a town. But if you’re going to try and make a nuanced movie in that genre, what you definitely can’t do is take Superman and cast a women instead. That’s not nuanced. That’s Superman but cast with a women and a slightly different story.
I feel like this is the problem though. We shove femininity into these little boxes. What rule says that women can’t be strong enough to punch holes in ships? where does it state that women can’t be bullheaded, stubborn, or aggressive, in ways that are traditionally seen as masculine?
@@SamBuckyForever a majority of "strong" female representation IS women being traditionally masculine. thats the problem. why do women have to be masculine to be seen as strong? why are traditionally feminine things not seen as strong? Pretty much every strong female character in mainstream media has some sort of societally masculine trait, whether physical or personality.
So Lilly gets upset the media keeps referring to her as a bisexual woman of color, but then she consistently talks about being a bisexual woman of color on her own show
@@iLikeCok getting upset at the media is about creating more publicity (story about her being annoyed is the second publicity peice after the original media story. buy one get one free), shes not really upset shes just creating media dialogue to make it into more of a story for free advertsing. loads of people do this
@@derekprosperoJosh Johnson sets up everything for the punchline and tends to have good research done and tells fleshed out stories. Also he has a very earnest delivery. Hers sounds like she’s trying to sound funny and can’t quite land it.
I really enjoy Taylor Tomlinson because all of her bits aren’t just “the joke is I’m a female comedian”. She has plenty of jokes that appeal to shared experiences women have but it’s not used as a crutch
Isn't delivery really THE most important thing in comedy? I mean it's so painfully obvious that Amy does not have it right, she's stumbling the whole time.
Delivery, timing - how the jokes are structured - what syllable you put the emphasis on it's an art form. Amy Schumer is a joke stealing hack who doesn't even know how to tell a joke
I would love to hear exactly *how* being a bisexual woman of colour impacts Lilly’s perspective…instead of just hearing she’s a bisexual woman of colour over and over.
But how is anyone supposed to figure out that she's a bisexual woman of color if they don't mention it constantly? After all, audience members are drooling imbeciles with the mental capacity of a cockroach and an attention span of about 10.734629185 seconds!
In France we have a french comic women name Florence Foresti. She's so funny, we like her and her humour a lot in my country. The most famous sketch she did was about the infamous pink barbie plane And it still is pure golden comedy :)
I'm really bad about rewatching things I just can't do it without it feeling off, but youtubers like Gabby and Chad Chad I can rewatch and laugh at and not feel weird about! The only full fledged comedian I can do that with is Randy Feltface 😔😔 All in all Netflix should find better rewatchable comedians (I'm exhausted so this comment might be all over the place I apologize)
I like how people act like it's their fault... On one hand your career goes nowhere but you're respectable and funny to all 7 of your regulars. On the other, a million dollars but you have to use jokes approved by David the Bigot. Everyone pretends they're the first kind until they're $40,000 into a shopping spree and realize they just blew their retirement.
@@RobinTheBot she’s already made a ton of money with her RUclips, book, tours, etc. so I don’t think she was doing this bc she was blowing money and needed more.
@@RobinTheBotshe had a pretty successful and huge RUclips channel before she got into comedy tho it wasn’t her and her 7 followers it was her and her massive following that she had for nearly a decade before she even turned to regular television.She was already earning her tonnes of revenue before she even rlly turned to comedy television.
2:28 my dad had a severe stroke causing him paralysis down the left-hand side of his body. We'd go to comedy shows and he always sat at the front and instead of clapping he'd bang the table. Comedians would point that out and try joke back. He'd find it funny when stand ups started stumbling and drawing blanks when they heard about his stroke but he would love it more when Comedians didnt give him a free pass because of it and actually say something funny. Met a lot of cool Comedians this way. Some would thank my dad for having a sense of humour but he'd always say "no thank you for treating me like you do everyone else and seeing me as a person and not a wheelchair"
My favorite nonwhiteman comedian is Josh Johnson. I fell in love when he talked about being a nerd catfishing the KKK on Craigslist as a kid and I never fell out, he's still HILARIOUS.
I was like who, but ah yeah the guy who catfished the kkk, that was an insanely great story. He needs to make more content 😁 I will learn his name if I see hem more!
I know she’s not a comedian but an actress but whatever. Diane Morgan’s performance as Philomena Cunk is freaking genius and the reason the jokes on both shows hit so well.
She is funny as fuck! They say women like funny men but it goes both ways, men love funny women too but women often are too afraid of embarrassment to attempt to be funny. It’s the same reason attractive men are terrible comedians. A beautiful woman who is confident and funny has the entire world in her hands.
Someone phrased it perfectly for me saying that the studios just transferred toxic masculinity onto most female leads and called it "feminism", leaving all the interesting, vulnerable, and emotional parts for the men.
That's exactly how I feel about Captain Marvel tbh. Like, "tough" and "determined" cannot be a character's ONLY personality traits! People prefer the male characters because they're often fully developed, as opposed to just being 'strong.'
@@isfpoisson First, the character itself, is dumb. Similarly to Superman, the character just does too much and for that reason, it’s boring. - it’s like playing a video game with all the cheat codes on. It could also have something to do with the fact that the character is also played by someone with an incredible lack of personality that anyone would be interested in - essentially the character she plays (just without the powers - so even less interesting). The one shining spot that stands out is her arrogance and it’s not done in a fun/humorous way - most of her co-stars have shown they don’t even like her. That’s not a “we’re against women thing either. They do great with other women, just very evidently don’t enjoy working w her.
Honestly I think you touched on the main reason why female comedy is seen as so much weaker, variety. Not just in jokes or comedic style but even the amount of female comedians. There's a lot of male comedians, so many that bad ones can easily be overshadowed and forgotten. But the female sphere is smaller, bad comedians stand out more and the whole sphere is sadly dominated by Amy Schumer types that make headlines.
And the bad female comedians still get a platform as the big money sees it as woke activism instead of looking for the hilarious female comedians which there are many it’s just they aren’t as main stream and well known
When I clicked this video, I was thinking that. I can definitely name some terrible specials by men but also so many that are better. One day the ratio will be better on the women's end.
Would be really interesting and cool to maybe even see a follow up video about the good female comedians that you ended up watching and why they are actually really good etc! :)
I remember something Björk said, something along the lines of 'I want to be an artist, a writer, a singer, someone who is funny, and then lastly a woman' basically I'd like to live in a world where being a woman is low down on the list and to be recognised for other things before I'm recognised as being a woman and that's how I'd like women comedians to be too.
She really seems pretty fucking cool as a person. She’s feminine but she writes about human experience, even my dad loves some of her albums. Even has a song called “human emotion”.
And that’s not to say that every woman needs to be feminine, it’s just cool to see someone who doesn’t rely on femininity and also doesn’t reject femininity. Very relatable for many women.
That's why I don't like that much the "women in gaming" "women in stem" etc. Yes, I am an engineer. Yes I also happen to be a woman. Get over it. Like, on the one hand I am glad my actions help other women pursue what they want, but also I'm only doing it because I want to, not as any sort of message.
I have seen some breakdowns of Amy and some have said that her comedy is bad because it has not evolved. She started with raunchy and crude humor when she was on Last Comic Standing. And as she continued in the comedy scene, her comedy remained nearly the same. It's not easy to evolve as a comedian/entertainer but I think it becomes their staying power. Like, as they grow as a person their comedy changes.
A few hacks like Jeff Foxworthy got a lot of money and attention based on running the same joke over and over again, but even they usually fizzle out. Longstanding comedy changes with the times. You eventually have to sit down and write some new material.
bo burnham is a great example of a comedian whose comedy has stayed funny and relatable for years without being the same joke over and over. Inside was so so good, especially because he was making fun of his older stuff. he changed up his jokes while keeping his sense of humor intact, which can be hard to do
I think the biggest issue I see with her on every criticism she gets is that she copies verbatim from other comedians. Now I don't think there's anything wrong with a small "yoink and twist", you know occasionally taking a good joke and putting your own twist on it can be okay sometimes. The issue is when you line-for-line copy the entire joke from somebody else and just say it with worse delivery.
Taylor Tomlinson is a great example of an actually funny woman comedian. She makes lots of jokes abt being a woman, she makes vulgar jokes, she jokes abt growing up Catholic, but she has a delivery that really showcases her personality. It’s not a copy paste of other comedians, it’s not taking what male comedians do but girlbossing it. It’s just her Edit: just got to the part where you mention her
Delivery and timing and things like that are a HUGE factor. Im 100% sure there are women who can make pretty much the same jokes aa Amy but do it in a way thats hilarious.... not trying to hate on her or something its just: stand up comedy is definitely not for everyone.
@@idhunepijl1404 Yeah, like that first joke that made Gabi laugh is actually kinda good in terms of its content, but oh my god, Amy’s delivery is just horrible and devoid of personality
Yes! Taylor is just a great joke writer. Another great comic who also happens to be female is Rosebud Baker. I'm just starting to watch this so I'm not sure if anyone else gets mentioned lol
@@idhunepijl1404 There are women who can make the same jokes funny. Just look at the original comedians whom Amy stole or inspired from. Her delivery and timing is the biggest problems but her attitude towards criticisms and crying 'oppression' and misogyny everytime people don't kiss her arse don't help either.
I always point to Kim Possible when people ask for examples of “girl power” that aren’t forced. She isn’t written as a man so she can be capable and powerful, she’s written as a girl who is capable. She’s pretty stereotypically feminine but has all sorts of hobbies and proficiencies. She loves shopping and sales and cheerleading and boys and has a plushie collection that she’s embarrassed of. She also loves crime-fighting and martial arts and gadgets and combat and problem-solving and extreme sports. She can be catty with Bonnie and girly with Monique and pal around with Ron. None of it is painted as “yuck, girls” or is NLOG-coded. There was another badass woman in Shego, also feminine without being one-note with long hair and nails and violence and anger and destruction and smarminess and allowing Draken to do all the planning because she’s bored with all that. The fact that Ron seemed so useless and unnecessary but was always invited along because he did end up being helpful while Kim was always capable was a really big change, but he was so goofy and weird and unapologetically himself that no one was upset with his character. Everyone I knew, regardless of gender, loved Kim Possible, because she wasn’t written to fill a quota. She was a super spy that happened to be a girl, and we all loved that.
Definitely some truth, and it's why I feel like there's this unnecessary knee-jerk reaction against people who criticize lazily written female characters, but then there is also an unnecessary knee-jerk against female leads because there have been so many poorly written ones, and it feels like we all need to converge and meet on the "let's make actually good female main characters" line I think we all actually support.
You know what I don't understand, Lilly Singh made a point that almost sounded like she was complaining about the media only representing her as a bisexual woman of colour, but then proceeded to make every single one of her one liner jokes about that while somehow also copying the format set out by David Letterman and other straight white male hosts. I can definitely see how this was a massive swing and a miss even though I'm not a bisexual woman of colour
Ya both the first clip that was showed and the announcement music video thing both are saying I’m not just a bi woman of colour and I’m gonna do things different than the white men and then proceeds to make every joke about being a bi woman of colour and do nothing else different than the white male hosts. In other words walked right into the point and still missed it
She did Not. Her complaints were absolutely correct. She still did jokes about it because its part of who she is but she was reduced to that. She had other comedy too. People refused to see that for reasons only you know since you refused to see.
@@MZBS639 This is how she sold herself. If somebody watched this preview and didn't find it funny, they are under zero obligation to watch the show and hope it somehow becomes more to their taste.
this is why i love comedians like Kurtis Conner, and youtubers like Chad chad, like they're genuinely funny without having to be vulgar or repeat old jokes over and over again
Main reason for hating Amy is because of that time she tried to make a joke about some guys friend who committed suicide and basically said “we wish it was you instead” that was awful. I don’t know how she was in commercials or made shows after that especially after being exposed for stealing so many jokes.
For anyone looking for female comedians, Taylor Tomlinson might be one of my favorite comedians ever. She still needs to work on her improv, and thankfully compensates with really good crowdwork. But whenever she writes a long stand up... It's insane how many great jokes she can fit in a couple minutes. So that's my recomendation for today thank you for coming to my ted talk see ya
One of the reasons I think Taylor's long stand up works so well is because she tells stories, and paints the picture and carries you through that situation, often in a relatable but new way
my friend taught amy schumers son and had met her multiple times and said she was nice whenever they talked, she even tipped my friend a few hundred bucks for teaching her son, decent lady, bad comedian
I mean, that is a much better praise that "fucking bigoted assholes, good comedian" that I could say about so many other people. I prefer comediants that aren't funny over comediants that openly get on stage to spread hate/misinformation about marginalized people.
@@catsandtaylorswift Definitely gonna need more context on this one before deciding. Is that in this vid? Edit: Ok, it is the video. I don't think it was meant in a bad way. She could have made a lil funnier though lol
My only thing is that one time she brought up Steveos friend who had recently died and joked that we all wished he had died instead.. she’s just a good bit insensitive
I think the thing with Amy that gets me is like….. she is ALWAYS drunk or high, and it comes off as being kind of sad. She clearly has struggled with drinking and drugs, and when she joked about it it was always very Sad Cringe. I think the reason her delivery is so weird is bc it feels like listening to your intoxicated friend that never takes advice joke about their life that is spiraling out of control
THIS though. perfectly sums up how i feel when i watch her! i never was able to pinpoint it and seeing it described in so many words - you hit the nail on the head 💯💯💯
I so agree. All of her stand up sounds like she is high. It was never funny. It doesn't fit her overall appearance and vibe. There are some girls who can pull that off, but amy Schumer isn't one of those women. You need to be cool to pull that off, and i think amy thinks she's cool. But she really isn't.
One thing i noticed about female comedians, is that they don't try to be relatable to everyone. There is nothing wrong with having a target audience, but many male comedians do try to be relatable, and i believe that's what makes many people like the jokes, because they feel like they are true. Male comedians also aren't afraid to offend anyone or make fun of every group. I'm a woman, and well i'm not a comedian, but ever since childhood i watched comedians people consider funny, as time passed by i copied the style of their humor. Now most times i try to make people laugh i succeed.
The Ghibli movie bit is a great point. One of my favorite moments in any movie ever is Chihiro sobbing. Not because she's a girl but because she's a child who just got a chance to decompress after her whole life got flipped upside down. She maintained for as long as she had to and got to eat and relax for just that moment and she absolutely breaks down. It's not because she's a girl. Anyone would have that reaction. It's genuinely an amazing and simple scene in a movie filled with madness. To that point, no one had to tell Nausicaa she was cool, she proved it. No one had to say Sofie was strong, she proved it. No one said Mononoke was badass, she proved it. A good character is just that, a good character.
This comment made me think about the Resident Evil 3 Remake. Carlos keeps telling Jill how smart and how good she is to her face, almost like she was some kind of special needs child in need of validation. I felt embarassed for her. Of course it wasn't like that in the original.
I really don't think that Canada has something akin to "the hood" like the US. In the US, the housing projects that are now referred to as "hood" were specifically designed to segregate the, mostly, black population from the, mostly, white, suburban population. I can't imagine that being applicable to Canada.
She's trying to check all the woke boxes, like she worked her way from the bottom to get where she is. When in reality, they were looking for any brown woman and she just happened to be one...
I think a difference in male and female comedy is, i feel like when male comidians talk about male subjects many times its like "hey women look how weird, funny, gross we are" with participation of women aswell, it feels more inclusive, when female comidians talk about female things most of the time its just aimed at women and the men are just excluded from the joke.
I'm thinking about how that joke was presented and then how a similar joke would have been presented by, I dunno, like, John Oliver or someone. Would have fucking crushed it.
It doesn't work because when your only joke is "brown women" the 100th joke about brown women isn't funny. The reason why a joke about black people works for Donald Glover or Eddie Murphy works is because they have OTHER things to talk about
I was listening to a podcast with Bo Burnham way back where he talks about how the stand up community is difficult for certain female comics and doesn’t reward certain types of comedy, it reduces the types of styles female comedians that get popular. There are some great American women comics whose style is more unusual but they are still sort of niche.
My favorite female stand up comedian is definitely Taylor Tomlinson. She talks about being a women and sex but she talks about her life too and who she is as a person not her whole identity being around her being a woman.
She is definitely one of my favourites if not the best. She makes me laugh my ass off whatever she jokes about. Her delivery is engaging, her timing, face expressions, voice imitations are all so well done. Most of the time I am already smirking before the punchline
I love that you brought up Mulan, because I completely agree. The animated version never felt like they were trying to force feminism down our throats. It was just a movie telling a story. Whereas your other example, Captain Marvel, and even the live action Mulan, they aren't just telling a story, they're trying to prove something to us. It is hard to fully explain the difference though, but there absolutely is one.
@honey b Well, obviously. It’s the easiest way to represent all women in the laziest way possible. Gives writers a break from actually having to do their job.
Haven't seen the live action Mulan but I do agree about the animated Mulan. Because in the animated Mulan, she fought in the war so that her old father wouldn't. She just fought for her country and went back home.
“I feel like that could’ve been funny. And it wasn’t, and I don’t know why” is like the perfect description of Lilly Singh’s entire existence. It’s one thing to not be funny, but it’s another thing to be unfunny when you really could’ve been if you were someone else. That makes it extra sad
That’s because it’s more than about what you say. Timing, inflection, tone, mannerisms all play a role in making something funny. You can say something that SHOULD be funny all day long but if it is mistimed or in the wrong tone it becomes rude or insensitive or whatever, but not funny.
You hit the nail on the head. The relentless focus of being a woman, a minority, and sex are the majority of clips I see from women. My favorite comedians are 50% comedians and 50% philosophers - they study the human condition and make funny but smart observations.
This, and people who use comedy to educate and shed light on other aspects of the human condition, like politics, disabilities, human rights, or social events or movements. Not in a click-bait way or riding off of what’s trending, but to actually comment and expose aspects of modern day that we otherwise don’t get a chance to really look at. If I don’t make sense, it’s because I’m sleep-deprived and I’m sorry 😂😢
Have you seen Jacqueline Novak's Get on your knees? It's a 90 minute one-woman-show mostly deconstructing blowjobs, but it's very intelligent, fast-paced and funny. In my opinion it has it's flaws certainly, but definitely worth checking out.
All while screeching inaudibly *STOP MAKING IT ALL ABOUT MY SEX LIFE/RACE/WOMANHOOD DAMMIT* Schumer’s not funny, full stop. She is the epitome of a nepo baby- she got several hands up because of who she’s related to. Singh is just a perpetual victim. She wants things because she thinks she’s worked for them and deserves them. Margaret is moderately funny- she’s not bad but she’s no one I’d go out of my way to watch if a new special drops. Whitney has one of the most unironically hilarious podcast moments- talking to Howie Mandel, she throws herself the biggest pity party and is ONLY a thing because Rogan loves her and insists on hyping her. God help us when she’s with Burt Kreischer. Gadsby is just so cringe. There’s not a thing about her that doesn’t give me secondhand embarrassment and cringe every single time she remotely tries to be funny. There’s very few women I find hilarious- my favorite is Kathleen Madigan. Absolutely hilarious and never not funny. But you better be hilarious if you expect me to listen/watch. Dave Chappelle, Ricky Gervais, Eddie Murphy, Kathleen Madigan, Louis CK, and Matteo Lane.
@@mariecarie1It's the social equivalent of dark humor. Seeing the fallacies and everyday struggles of being a human, and then being able to laugh at it. Being able to acknowledge things while still making people laugh is an art. Emergencies responders have some of the best humor and it's a coping mechanism. I personally suspect that like other forms of art, comedians cope with life by laughing at it and helping others do the same
I think it’s unfair to blame Amy Schumer for ruining women’s comedy. I don’t like Amy Schumer, I don’t think she’s funny. But male comedians can be unfunny and just be ‘bad comedians’. Amy Schumer is unfunny and she’s ‘letting down women everywhere’. It’s unfair to place this burden on her just because she’s a woman. Instead we should look at and blame the system that made her the figurehead of female comedy
to me, good comedy gets the entire audience to relate to the comic’s situation, not just the people who have shared those experiences. i hate to say it but john mulaney does this really well. none of us have ever gotten a hand up the ass from a doctor in batman scrubs but boy do we sure feel like we’ve taken that journey with him when he tells the story
@@Ghost_Token tomato, tomahto. if that were really so awful, there'd be a legitimate basis for it. alas, it makes zero sense when you try to justify any of it. :(
I think the big reason it's such a large trend in the industry is that so many stand-up comedians that are women feel pressured to take on the "not like other girls" persona to try to make it in the male-dominated industry. So they embrace things like vulgarity and self-tokenization to make it to the top, because it works, but then it bites them in the ass once they're in a spotlighted position because people see through it immediately. i find this fascinating
I think that comes into play in a different way with Lilly Singh My thing about Lilly is she relies on the whole “I shouldn’t be here” thing. She does the whole second person: “you’re probably thinking” and no, I’m not thinking that. She underestimates her audience’s empathy and intelligence, as well as over-explaining literally every joke. Like, as a viewer I’m sitting there thinking: I don’t care that you’re an Indian woman, I never said you shouldn’t be here. But the whole time she’s like “I shouldn’t be here” and it just leaves you feeling like: ok, what are you doing to prove that you should be here. Because all I’ve heard is you talking about how out of place you are, but you haven’t done anything to make it seem like you deserve it. If she keeps saying she doesn’t belong and she doesn’t make funny jokes or provide insightful commentary, I’m going to believe her. Not only is she not that funny, she’s actively holding herself back by priming her audience to think: why am I not watching a different show, why is she hosting rather than whoever or so and so? She also specifically calls out white people and Middle America, alienating and insulting them but not in a funny way just in a mean way, but who does she think watches late night talk shows? 😂
That's a good point. I am of the mindset that women don't need "personas" to be funny. Sure, personas can be fun if you establish yourself in said persona, but if you lack authenticity and you put on a persona to make up for it, the audience will see right through it.
my favourite comedian is a purple Australian puppet named Randy Feltface! most of his comedy is, in fact, not about being purple, or a puppet, or australian!
I feel like she's one of the only women in comedy that even misogynistic men tend to agree is really talented and funny. She's just good at what she does imo
Shes a real stand up. You can hear, see and feel the experience behind her material. Lots of female stand up is just “clap humour”. They call out things that do need to be called out, but people go to comedy shows to laugh, not to think.
(2:40) Biggest issue I have with Amy Schumer is that she always sounds like she's not confident, that she can't remember her jokes and tries to come up with them as she speaks. A lot of ums in there.
She stoled the jokes from many different comedians, look up the "amy Schumer stiling jokes" And you will know also she ask for same pay check as high paid male comedians either wise it's male dominant country
I feel like when women joke about being women in a depricating way, it opens the door for men to dogpile and be like: "see! she's a woman and agrees with me!" Amongst other things
But the facts are people don't find most women funny. Most women find other women funny but for the majority, people aren't laughing at most female jokes
@@hinamatsuro1908 what is leading you to make that generalization? Is there some type of statistic you’re referencing or are you just… being misogynistic
@@ileana2708 Name me 1 female comedian that is funny, or a video. Is there a meme or popular funny joke on the internet created by a woman? Just from observation I've found most women aren't funny, except for some youtubers but they aren't even comedians Lmao. Yeah SOME women are funny and yeah obviously this narrarative will change in the future and maybe more women will be more funny than men and women will dominate comedy, but as of now most women just don't have comedy that is funny to most people and it's identified as just bad
@@hinamatsuro1908 so what you’re saying is you’re making the generalization based off nothing? What you’re telling me is that you’re attempting to speak for “most people” without any basis to back up your claims?
Amy Schumer is one of those people where she’s terrible with her “own” material, but when written for/ edited, she’s great. I hate her, but she was hilarious in Unfrosted
ive complained about this recently about gay films and films about disabilities, where people in them dont just HAPPEN to be queer or have a disability, but that the whole film is CENTERED on that and it makes it too forced
Yeah this is the prevailing issue, and I think it's that way because the industry is still focused on trying to let people know they're being inclusive, so they end up forcing their minority cast way too hard. It's the same with movies about women who don't fit into conventional beauty standards, with Tammy being like the only movie about a plus sized woman that doesn't constantly mention it I can think of.
It’s gotta be done right, when it’s just about identity then poorly written. I also feel like that if a a character is written and they do just happen to be, for example, gay then people still hate on it for being about identity because it’s a different experience. A gay person will have other experiences so it’s not never gonna come up. I feel a lot of it comes from bigotry but I’m the flip side so many attempts of inclusion are so poor because companies don’t care they’re just want that dollar dollar
This. But this isn’t just queer or disabilites, but also sex, race or so many other factors. Never force a character to be something, let them be what makes sense.
I do agree. I think it's definitely OK to have some films centered around common difficulties of being queer, disabled, or just generally marginalized, and being able to overcome. 1 to give hope to people like the main character, and 2 to share the difficulties that are faced with people that don't face them. That being said, I think it's equally, if not more important, to have diversity presented and not necessarily even mentioned. Idk why but the first example that came to mind is Nigel in The Devil Wears Prada. I can't remember if he is expressly said to be queer, but it's atleast implied. He is a major character, but really the only scene that loosely touches on his queerness is when he lectures Andy on the power fashion has and he shares his experiences growing up hiding fashion magazines.
As some with multiple disorders and a minor disability I always say "there's a difference between using your disorder and an excuse vs an explanation". I think the underlying theme cam be used here, there's a different between and disabled character and a character who happens to be disabled. One has the main focus on the disability while the other the disability is just a character triat. Same for LGBT+ and BIPOC representation at times.
The oral allergy syndrome drop got me, I had to do a double take. I've had it since I was 17 and only like four people since then have ever mentioned it around me.
It's that and that they needed a reason to be included. If they aren't able to compete with the male comedians (due to talent or bias) they needed to be telling the jokes that men weren't telling. So they ended up just talking about periods and cum.
Kaitlin Olson is an example of a world class comedic actress who does gross out and sexual humor excellently. She elevates It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia so much as the show goes on, and her humor has me rolling constantly.
18:45 not super important but the character captain marvel is a woman, disney didnt decide to make captain marvel a woman, the comic book character captain marvel is carol danvers and has been a woman the whole time. you might be understandably confusing her with DC captain marvel billy batson whos part of the justice league and yells shazam to transform into a superhero, but thats DC not Marvel, they both have a character named captain marvel.
I'm in those teenage years right now and at first I thought she wasn't that bad but evrything after her first joke and the music video felt a "bit" much for me so i think I'll stay with my funny yt videos 👍🏼
One of my favorite female comedians right now is Taylor Tomlinson, she does some bits about being a woman and is occasionally vulgar but it makes up a very small portion of her material. She jokes about other aspects of her identity like growing up Christian, being bipolar, being a millennial, etc. and she doesn't rely on vulgarity to be genuinely funny. If you watch some of her material on youtube (not just the Netflix specials), her delivery is perfect and she's also really good at engaging with her audience and making up jokes on the spot. She just seems like a really genuine person who loves her job and isn't necessarily trying to be mainstream.
one of my favorite female comedians is taylor tomlinson. she does jokes about being a woman, but she doesn't rely on it. she does a lot of jokes about her personal experiences aside from being a woman, too. and she's actually really funny
She's definitely a fave of mine as well. Her comedy's just very relatable in general, girl or guy. She talks about growing up in church and just growing up in general, going through those awkward years, which we've obviously all been through.
I like her too, but I just watched two of her specials, and prettymuch every joke is based on, or makes reference to her gender and expectations surrounding her gender. Imo, however, there's nothing wrong with basing ones comedy on ones own life experience and identity. It's all just art, some people will like the painting, some will complain about it, red dragon might EAT the painting, but the fact that it elicits a reaction from everyone is part of what makes it art.
I will say this about Lily Singh: I watched her a TON growing up as a South Asian kid who literally latched onto anyone on RUclips who was brown like me lol. She definitely has some nostalgia to her just because of her older videos, but like,, now that I'm older,, I'm 100000% left wanting more from her because like homegirl has been making the same kind of jokes with no depth to them FOR YEARSS. Anyways, just wanted to say that I used to find her funny and comforting, but it just got old very quick and yeah her late late show is godawful which is disappointing. :/ Also, I recently stumbled upon your channel and congrats on 100K!!! :D Love your content
I think so much of her stuff was a flop cause of her lack of experience and also her stuff on RUclips was targeted towards kids, a lot of the people hating her show now really liked her RUclips channel when they were younger, it’s just that we grew out of so much of that kind of comedy
I agree with you for the most part, but I do think her videos on periods some of the best videos I have ever seen on the subject, and great at explaining the struggle well to young people. I re-watched the first one recently and it still holds up.
Same, she was one of the few representation we had so I latched onto her content. But after time she never grew as a comedian and would make the same jokes with no depth. Her talk show only made it more apparent how much her comedic format needed changing. Her parent videos got out of hand and she overexaggerted stereotypes a bit to where it felt like she was throwing them under the bus for white people to laugh at. Jusreign is a great example of someone who made brown parent content but it felt like it was actually catered to brown people and the jokes were highly relatable and funny. I still respect her as a person and think she's an incredibly hard-working, and I admire her for that. Drew Goodman made a great commentary on her content.
For people who want to skip because of cringe, here is a tip so Gabi still gets watch time: Mute your device (This isn’t meant to be mean against anyone. It is just a joke. ❤ but seriously, let Gabi have her watch time 😭)
I think there's something interesting about Lilly Singh using her platform to talk about how nobody gives her a platform for the entirety of the runtime of her platform.
Hahaha it was half of her routine on YT and she didn't know what to do when she got the platform. I guess that's what happens when you pick writers by color not capability. I'm a minority and I can handle being told I'm not funny cause has nothing to do with my ethnicity.
I completely forgot about her. I see her more as a child entertainer than a real comedian. She started out on YT and mentally never evolved from entertaining kids, preaching to the choir type content.
Thinking about the over-reliance on vulgarity, I wonder if it has to do with women being told they can't do that. When guys make like 283294 sex/masturbation jokes a day, most of the time, people just laugh and find it funny, but a lot of the times, if a woman jokes about that kind of stuff, people get mad at her for being inappropriate or "gross." So while I don't find it funny, I wonder if they just feel so belittled that they feel like they have to overcompensate for how many times people have told them to shut up and not talk about those kinds of things. Not like, an excuse for not being a successful comedian, but a reason that could make sense to me. Edit: Lmao y'all I did not say "everyone always finds it more offensive when a woman makes raunchy jokes than a man with no exceptions," I said that generally, it tends to happen that way. I'm nonbinary, but I was raised as a girl, and this was the experience I had when I made those jokes myself vs. when my guy friends did.
I think thats part of it. It can feel liberating and be used to provoke (quite a big part of stand up) but overusing it takes away the value of it and just makes it boring. If you look at most popular male comedians they talk a lot about situations or just funny thoughts they have... if they were just talking about hairy balls or how much they fuck people would be bored pretty quick as well. (Unless they somehow make it hilarious in an original way everytime which I think is literally impossible)
I think it's a valid question. In the past several years I would say the answer to this is no. Women aren't told to not do these things by "society". Women are more equal and have more opportunities than any point in history. I just don't think this is a valid argument anymore. If it were the early 2000s or 90s I would agree. And even if you look at female comedians back then, they just weren't this vulgar. I personally feel like when it comes to female comedians like Schumer they just have a chip on their shoulder and want to compete with men and prove they're better. This is the same woman that complained that Netflix was sexist for giving her 11 million and paying Chapelle and Rock more as if her name should be uttered in the same sentence as them.
Yea I like Whitney too. Haven’t seen her new specials but her older ones were really funny. I can’t hate her role in a movie when other people are writing that material. But yea, Gabi was very funny in this vid
Time to write and edit and do research helps a lot, and plus she is very funny and I like her sense of humor. It's about shedding a light on stupid shit, rather than long diatribes about her womanhood or whatever.
i went to a local bar a while back tht hosted a night of stand up comedy, & there was this 20ish yr old girl who was soo funny, timing & delivery was great, she even made the jokes tie in together at the end, she was a natural ! she even did some quick-wit improv when the mic audio messed up, u can just tell shes so effortlessly funny irl. but i noticed her comedy wasn't vulgar, it was more like wholesome & relatable jokes abt random situations. it didn't revolve around being a woman or sex or race stuff. just good ol clean humor and i loved it.
This is exactly why Taylor Tomlinson is funny to me. She has a wide repertoire of jokes: yes there are some sex jokes, but also mental health, upbringing, struggle with her religion, growing up etc
With Lilly the problem is that she started out as a youtuber who loved everyone. She was a sunshine unicorn. Hate wasn't on her radar. And then her show starts & it was like she turned into a ranter who couldn't help but passive aggressively slip random quibs against white people. Like where did this come from. I supported the 1st episode but as the episodes kept going it felt so forced & so cringe. I'm all for educating & calling out racism. But her supporters were from her fanbase from unicorn Island where everyone was loved. I loved her since she began too.
I don't know where I heard this but for large media corporations women empowerment = women + toxic masculinity and I agree with it so much. That was one of the main reasons I hated Captian Marvel so much because it's whole thing is 'woman stands up' = strong. It's actually kind of insulting. I recommend Arcane to everyone for this very reason. It does complex female characters right. It does representaion right. It's refreshing to see female representaion that is not single dimensional. Media loves to write these characters whose whole personality is I am a woman.
totally agree with the captain marvel thing. they really went the whole “woah first lady main character superhero and she can beat up everyone cuz shes sooo op! go girlboss” but her character is just flat and didn’t develop throughout the movie.
Dang couldn't place my sheer hatred towards Captain Marvel, but here it is. She really felt like someone's mary sue oc that gets life handed to her on a freaking plate
I never thought I'd love something LOL related so hard but Arcane is just fucking fantastic. Complex, sympathetic characters with flaws who are still basically good. Complex, sympathetic characters with flaws who can do BAD for reasons they find good. So many good female characters whose femininity isn't some virtue signaling blowhorn. Characters of different races whose color isn't a virtue signal. LGBT characters whose... Well, you get the idea. God, it's so good.
@@pandazzz5282 movie formula these days seems to be 1-Cast recognizable stars 2-Remove any unique plot points writers might have slipped into the script 3-MCs are infallible and therefore lack a character arc, only acceptable change in MC is increased confidence. 4-Design the happy meal toys or other merch.
I feel like the problem is not that female comedians only rely on being vulgar.. It's that the vulgar comedians are the only female comedians that rise to popularity. That should be the conversation.
@@ArianeM-gk2vp Exactly, theres plenty. Tbh nowdays there are so many comedians its hard for anyone to get popular. But in the past there havent been any very famous female comedians either. Most definitely bc of sexism in the industry and in society in general, on top of women having less opportunity to get into entertainment industries.. Not because women are not funny / obly rely on vulgar humor. Luckily it seems to be getting better but misogony still runs rampant
Ali Wong is literally basketballing with pregnancy for more than half of her stand-up specials, and she never once made me cringe at being a woman, or any Asian bits. She's also a surprisingly good actress.
Beef is the best comedy show to come out in a very long time. Ali handles the dramatic bits just as well as she does the comedic ones. And Steven Yuen is actually a shockingly good comedic actor.
It’s funny watching Amy preform because you can tell when she doesn’t get the laughs she was expecting and she will just throw punchline after punchline until she gets a laugh
The porn from the woman’s perspective joke “is it just the room” actually was funny because the idea of “porn for women” is hard to explain since porn is from the male gaze. Lesbian porn, gay porn, straight porn…very rarely is it filmed with the woman viewer in mind despite us wanting to find porn that we like too. So the joke has a reason and a punchline. And that’s it. That’s the potential. A good joke in an otherwise awful special.
I mean plenty of women like the porn that’s out there. I think it’s a bit alienating to say “all men like this porn and all women hate it” because it sets up the genders not only as binaries but as monoliths that can’t deviate at all.
@@avocadochony211 “porn is rarely filmed with the female viewer in mind despite us wanting to find porn that we like too.” so then because it’s not made with the female viewer in mind it means we can’t enjoy it? there are ways to argue against the male gaze that don’t involve lumping all women into one category and effectively separating them from men.
@@Chloe-ru2eb Most porn focuses on the woman’s face and her body and doesn’t show the man’s face and body as much. As a heterosexual woman it’s pretty annoying. I try to skip to the part where I see more of the man but the camera keeps going back to her body and face. If you’re bi you might not mind but most porn is definitely meant to be consumed by men which is quite annoying. Even the ads are 100% geared towards men, which shows that it’s assumed that it’s consumed by men. (This product will give you more inches, women in your area want your dick, cam girls).
@@Chloe-ru2eb women do not always come in p*rn. it doesn’t matter if they enjoy it or fake it for p*rn to be successful. the men ALWAYS do-it is the point of porn. that’s the simplest way to explain to you what the other commenter was saying, fr you have to be purposely misunderstanding cause it’s not complicated
Hi, comic here and maybe I can give a little insight. The issues you talked about with comedians pigeon holing themselves into dirty/vulgar humor only is something a lot of us hate within the scene. Most of the best comics I know, barley talk about their balls/vaginas on stage. You know why? Because it's SO played out that many of us are just as, if not more, tired of it. If you can find a more unique and interesting angle on it, or it's part of the set up to a different punchline, great. But just going "My dick looks like this" or "my vagina looks like that" is SO dull. The problem is that a lot of audiences still like that kind of stuff for whatever reason. Probably because they only watch comedy and remember "funny stories" rather than well crafted jokes or cause they want something easy to remember so they can repeat to their friends like it's a street joke. A lot of us are also sick of identity humor. Hearing other perspectives and life experiences is great but when that's ALL you talk about, then we also find it very tiring. Comedy isn't like music. You can't hear the same thing over and over again and still enjoy it the same way. One of my friends is a trans comic and she has a lot of hilarious trans jokes, but she was smart enough to know that her act can't be focused on what she is rather than who she is so she makes it a point not to do exclusively trans material. You have to mix it up. You can't just be a one note performer The thing is, these one note comics have always and will always exist. The problem is that they're getting highlighted by the industry for their identity rather than their skill or range. A lot of it is because of executives shining spotlight on comics with "identity personas" so they can check off they're diversity box. It's mostly due to laziness. Frankly speaking, stand up has more men than women so you have to look harder to find the good female comics, and executives are too lazy to do that so they'll give a shot to any female comic who brings extra attention to female issues so she checks that box for them and they can seem progressive when in actuality, they're lazy and could care less about the quality of the product or opening the door for a more talented comic. If you're a minority too, they already have a series for you in mind lmfao and god forbid you criticize any of their cooperate bs if you're a male cause then they just label you as a sexist and an incel when in actuality, we're saying that women deserve better/more talented comedians to represent them. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Schumer, it's safe to say that most people don't think she should be held up as "one of the best female comics" and it's a shame people use her as a benchmark when there are SO many hilarious women out there. If you're looking for funny female stand ups, I'd recommend Rosebud Baker, Adrienne Iapalucci, Liz Miele, Michelle Wolf, Marina Franklin, Bonnie Macfarlane, Nikki Glaser (her stand up recently hasn't been great but her roasts are hilarious), Dina Hashem, Jessica Kirson, Aida Rodriguez, Lisa Lampanelli, and Ms Pat.
YESSSSS, agree. Going to a stand up comedy show in Melbourne feels like a lineup of people telling you "I'm a woman", "I'm LGBT", I'm X ethnicity. And all of the punchlines rely on stereotypes which I think is just lazy at most
i think this fails to acknowledge that women-identifying racial minorities don't often get the choice to be other than their identity. when you're financially forced to be marketable to a general yt public, they are confined to talk abt their gender, race, sexuality, etc. bc that's what is expected of them.
@@elainenguyen9509 That's true! There is also the argument that for people searching out comedians that belong to these groups, they need to have marketed themselves this way to be found :) Eg. if I'm looking for a female comedian, I have to search female comedian so they need to have branded themselves that way for people to find them
@@Illfection didn't watch the video yet, but am curious. Apart from women whe want to watch a female comedian. I dot. See much reason to search for "female" comedians. If you want females , pretty sure other shows would be better.
@@elainenguyen9509 Are you saying that white people want to hear about minority stuff? I'm sure some of them would, but not the majority of white people. The gabby hannah of the world have not exactly a mainstream audience.
While Lilly Singh has never appealed to my style of humor on RUclips or in general, I really think the writers for her late night show set her up for failure. Her intro automatically targeted a specific demographic of people which immediately turned off a large portion of viewers that she could have had. She’s always been a skit performer/writer instead of a live “host.” Her style of humor is intentionally for a specific audience, which is good for a TV show, not necessarily a late night talk show. While I think it’s important for women in comedy to stand out and showcase their presence in the industry by announcing that “they’re a woman”, I feel like it just emphasizes that we have “not been as funny” until now. There were so many great opening liners they could have given her to make her presence seem natural and intriguing for late night TV. Instead it just felt really forced and uncomfortable. Going for the “I’m a woman in comedy” bit is just overdone, and blindly makes the claim that men do it better when that truly is not the case.
Her entire show is based on the fact that she is a woman of color who is also bisexual and NOT an old straight white dude. Drew Gooden has a great video about her!!
I mean… Might need citation for saying men don’t overall do it better. Not saying there aren’t also great stand up female comedians, but…. Someone has to do it better. Also her being a skit writer isn’t an excuse, Conan O’ Brien has the same background (used to write for shows like the Chris Rock show, along Louis CK). She’s just not funny, like most Comedians borne of the instagram comic era
18:50. B-But Carol Danvers has always been a woman. Captain Marvel is a legacy hero, there's been lots of them. God, I have to sit down, I'm gonna have an An-nerdism.
Amy Schumer has some great concepts for jokes, I just find her execution is usually the part that falls flat. Often they're delivered weirdly or have way too much build up.
@@genopie2673 I honestly think that is not even the problem because I have seen Norm Macdonald do really old jokes and somehow got belly laughs, it is her tone and delivery and lack of creativity in the craft
I agree. It’s the delivery that is weak. I think she relies on the joke itself so much that she forgets that it only works if you give an actual performance.
So my takeaway is that a lot of mainstream female stand ups rely on joking about identities and using over the top vulgarity, obscenity, and general obnoxiousness in order to be picked up by influential companies and streaming services. In other words, for a woman to make it in comedy, she must be like a teenage boy.
Same! And people always give me weird looks when I tell them I actually can't eat a fresh apple or my whole oral cavity will swell up. Thermally processed fruit is alright though for some reason...
So at 1:02 you made a joke about Oral Allergy Syndrome and I briefly caught a few words that changed my life. I knew why I kept getting these weird reactions from fruits. Now I just went deep into this learning. Thank you for your passing joke!
Yeah same!! I always felt bad for not eating certain fruits and that I was overreacting, that the itchiness and nausea was my fault somehow, but it's really refreshing to hear that it's something real!
Same, I don't personally have a lot of allergies but my mom does, she's allergic to many fruits, and pollen, and furry animals. Looking into OAS I found a website that talks about "cross-reacting foods" which puts things into groups and I realized one of them has everything my mom is allergic to (except animals) - birch, apples, plums, pears, almonds, hazelnuts.... all in the same group! This is really interesting!
There's also pfas. Where your body thinks you're actually eating certain pollen. If you have reactions to fruits along with veggies, soy, nuts etc You may have PFAS. it's awful.
Tina Fey single-handedly won the argument of whether or not women can be funny. And she can make funny jokes about literally anything, because she showcases the natural absurdity of life, period.
i think the problem I notice is women in stand up that get shine aren’t the ones pointing out absurdities in life. Its the ones that mimic the same kind of hate wave that male comedians that have an exclusively make audience will do. It just turns into “meh i hate my bitch wife meh” inverted on itself. And it just comes off like a bitter person complaining as opposed to pointing out a funny observation. I think someone like Amy Poler is so much funnier because she actually makes those observations and her jokes have such a small margin for error with one attempt to get it right.
@@MZBS639 if you read my response again you’ll see my criticism is the same, but female comedians that are actually good don’t get the shine in stand up
@@trentirvin2008 i understand. What i find hard to accept is the critique of women and minorities atm.for not beeing perfect, for not beeing better as their counterparts. They still have to prove themselves. I dont approve of that. Women or minorities have nothing to prove i.m.O . Im not on board with this current trend. Maybe my mind gets changed, maybe im already too old but im done taking responsibilities that arent mine. That gabi woman not helping.
In general, when a comedian picks one thing and only talks about that. It gets old very fast. When your whole act/identity is “my wife”, “I’m Asian”, “I’m Latino”, “I’m woman”, “sex funny haha”.
Well that kinda is what a lot of stand-up is, telling people about your life and the funny or absurd situations they find themselves in, no doubt details are added to ramp things up and make it funnier but a lot of comedians as they get older fewer things start happening to them and around them so the jokes become more and more repetitive, and they get upset and angry because they are losing there career, there passion any human would be angry but most of them seem to lash out and try and say some controversial shit to stir the pot just my perspective
I wish people would stop labeling it as bad "insert gender" comedian, and just refer to them as bad comedians. I have watched quite a few comedy specials with my girlfriend and found plenty of guys to be unfunny too. Some comics just aren't that great. And even specifically with Amy, the first time I seen her was her "mostly sex stuff" special, and I actually thought it was funny. Then I seen the Inside Amy one and it was just...alright. Giggled like twice or so, but it was mostly the same as the first one, but worse. Then that awful Netflix one, where I didn't laugh a single time. The problem with her is that she relies extremely heavily on 1 joke, and I don't care how good that joke is, if you are going to have multiple hour-long specials, you can't just be telling the same joke with slightly different wording over and over again. Another comedian I have listened to a ton is Dane Cook. I had like 5 of his comedies on my Zune (yea, I know nobody knows what that is. Its a thick Ipod lol) and while I admit that I LOVED those specials, 3 of them did have 1 or 2 jokes that were just slightly differently worded versions of other jokes from the other specials, and while I know a 3 minute joke in an hour long special isn't a big deal, my brain always latched onto that. I always thought to myself "oh that's right, its just this joke again" and immediately I found it less funny, and I think that's what happened with Amy. Even people who may have originally liked her, watched her more than once with the jokes just being basically the same, and she stopped being funny. Then her blaming everything on sexism only made it worse.
@@BaStTiLo I feel that. It was a durable little thing as long as you didn't drop it hard enough for its harddrive to fall out of place lol, but still, at like half the price of an ipod with almost 6x the HDD space, I always preferred the Zune to other MP3 players.
I remember zunes. I always thought they were kinda a joke lol never actually met someone who owned one. BTW agree with all your points. Honestly, as GunnerTV pointed out in his newest video, some comics rely on the same set for years. Before social media it was really normal and very possible to do that. Now not so much.
i feel like every woman i know irl is funnier than most female comedians i’ve heard of
Yes, that's how I feel. Women can be funny, but for some reason it doesn't translate to the standup comedy scene. It's very perplexing.
I think women are great gossipers so they point you in the direction of a good joke or re-tell it....but it's rare for a female to make your stomach hurt off a original joke...Men do it all the time
Damn this is a lot of sexism did y’all miss the opening segment of this video
my comment was just about how weird it is that the female comedy industry has like no actually funny people when so many women are funny, but the replies are talking about women being “objectively unfunny” or some shit now??💀
@@Kiwanuu vincent kak on something icl 😭, he said its objectively true and then stated his own experiences with women
lilly singh: Im not just a bisexual woman of color
also lilly singh: *only tells jokes about being a bisexual woman of color*
There's a shit-TON of people who are bisexual women of colo(u)r and they don't make that their entire personality, like ms. singh, it ain't that hard-
@@tvisha.mishra But if she didn't tell those joke her fellow bisexual women of color would feel under-represented. You can't win.
oh i didnt actually know she was bi! it makes sense though, that’s kinda dope
@@tvisha.mishra fuck off there is no u in color how dare you
@@SamanthaLain that was for ppl reading that aren't from US brO lol
I don't understand why they chose Lily Singh to be a late night host. She's literally a children's entertainer. She makes jokes for kids and her subscribers subscribed while going through puberty. Her comedy is just about how parents suck and embarrassing yourself in front of your school crush.
Did they like not look into her at all? I just don't understand. Like it makes sense why she'd accept. It's a win for her no matter what but for them?
@Wynn Wynn then who’s supposed to make content only for kids?
Kind of answered your own question lol
Lily Sighn was doomed because of the schedule she was given for her show. I watched her vlogs and she looked so burnt out due to the crazy schedule. In spite of that she kept a smile and went through it bravely. She even admitted in a vlog when reflecting on season 1 the things that didn’t work. Season 2 felt like the right format and suited her better. It was really poor negotiation and over cautiousness that lead to the shows downfall.
Yeah this video just picks the worst. Sarah millican has been an icon of comedy in the UK for ages. Going to see her in a couple months. Ali Wong and Taylor tomlinson are brilliant. There are plenty out there.
i'm pretty sure they were literally just going "we need more diversity and lilly is already famous" because she does not have the skills to be a late night host
Lilly SIngh's opening monologue was giving corporate manager "I'm the funny one" energy
Not the jim brewer jumpscare at the end ☠
kinda like chandler from friends.
You right, it was very corporate-ish
I actually like Lilly
The thing I hate the most in comedy is a comedian that just SHOUTS the whole time, I can HEAR YOU. Whitney Cummings being a prime example.
I second this ☝️ a good comedian should have other ways to emphasize what they want rather than screaming
This is why I love Tig Notaro. She’s so deadpan and quiet and takes forever to get to a punchline but you’re there laughing all the way
Right, like there's a mic for a reason you don't need to shout at us
but i do like her alot
I agree but I think some people can pull it off well and it suits them. Bill Burr comes to mind. One of my all time faves but everytime I watch him I gotta watch my volume or I’ll bust an eardrum lol
Your reason for Mulan feeling more genuine than Captain Marvel is spot on. Mulan wasn't powerful because she was just as "manly" or as much of a fighter as men. She was powerful because she specifically used her own skill set. She relied on cleverness and strategy rather than raw strength. Things like disarming Shan Yu with a fan, a symbol of femininity, and then using his own sword against him is great because she's not just out-strengthing him. Mulan climbing the column in training was possible because, despite not being as strong as the other soldiers, she was just as if not more capable using traits that aren't stereotypically masculine. Captain Marvel devolved into "I can punch holes in your ship" which, while really fun to watch, doesn't really have any nuance to it.
I haven't watched Mulan in months. I was thinking about the fan disarming this morning, just because it was so special to watch.
Ya it’s fine to not have nuance in superhero action movies, sometimes you just want to watch someone throw cars and fly and smash people across a town. But if you’re going to try and make a nuanced movie in that genre, what you definitely can’t do is take Superman and cast a women instead. That’s not nuanced. That’s Superman but cast with a women and a slightly different story.
I feel like this is the problem though. We shove femininity into these little boxes. What rule says that women can’t be strong enough to punch holes in ships? where does it state that women can’t be bullheaded, stubborn, or aggressive, in ways that are traditionally seen as masculine?
@@SamBuckyForever a majority of "strong" female representation IS women being traditionally masculine. thats the problem. why do women have to be masculine to be seen as strong? why are traditionally feminine things not seen as strong? Pretty much every strong female character in mainstream media has some sort of societally masculine trait, whether physical or personality.
@@cait3196 y’all stay saying this when
This feminine archetype is all the media is made up of. Where are these masculine women yall speak of? Lmao
So Lilly gets upset the media keeps referring to her as a bisexual woman of color, but then she consistently talks about being a bisexual woman of color on her own show
💀 her logic is so backwards
@@iLikeCok getting upset at the media is about creating more publicity (story about her being annoyed is the second publicity peice after the original media story. buy one get one free), shes not really upset shes just creating media dialogue to make it into more of a story for free advertsing. loads of people do this
To be fair, she probably doesn't write her jokes
I think it's more of a, "I'm more than that," Type of thing. Not saying I agree w her just what the logic seemed to be there.
What's a bisexual woman?
literally thought the amy schumer clips were being played back at a slower speed. is that legit the pacing she speaks with in her comedy? god
LOL me too. :)
Josh Johnson takes 30 minutes to tell a 3 minute joke but everyone loves him 🤷🏻
I thought she was high or something
@@derekprosperoJosh Johnson sets up everything for the punchline and tends to have good research done and tells fleshed out stories. Also he has a very earnest delivery. Hers sounds like she’s trying to sound funny and can’t quite land it.
I really enjoy Taylor Tomlinson because all of her bits aren’t just “the joke is I’m a female comedian”. She has plenty of jokes that appeal to shared experiences women have but it’s not used as a crutch
I also love her delivery of jokes. Especially those about mental problems. When I found out I was bipolar, her jokes about it just hit different
Iliza (schlisinger?) is also hilarious
Was gonna comment about it, I love her! Adrienne Fish and Fortune Feimster has some clips I’ve seen too stuff too!
omg yes i love her
Fern Brady is my current favorite
Isn't delivery really THE most important thing in comedy? I mean it's so painfully obvious that Amy does not have it right, she's stumbling the whole time.
I think it's 50% delivery and 50% the joke
The key to comedy is ti
Ming
She sounds drunk
Amy just sounds like she’s on a hangover
Delivery, timing - how the jokes are structured - what syllable you put the emphasis on it's an art form. Amy Schumer is a joke stealing hack who doesn't even know how to tell a joke
I would love to hear exactly *how* being a bisexual woman of colour impacts Lilly’s perspective…instead of just hearing she’s a bisexual woman of colour over and over.
this!!
right??? you can tell so many stories with so many experiences!! easy ways to make comedy out of ridiculous things people have said/done to you etc
But how is anyone supposed to figure out that she's a bisexual woman of color if they don't mention it constantly? After all, audience members are drooling imbeciles with the mental capacity of a cockroach and an attention span of about 10.734629185 seconds!
@@kuunami "every identity I don't like is identity politics to me"
It appears to have made her fairly racist, but beyond that we haven’t learned much about her experience
In France we have a french comic women name Florence Foresti. She's so funny, we like her and her humour a lot in my country. The most famous sketch she did was about the infamous pink barbie plane
And it still is pure golden comedy :)
Probably one of the funniest French comics ever, she's fantastic.
@@pittedbooger4880 never has a french person been funny
French people aren't real, @@madlad4206
if chad chad had a netflix special, the world would be changed for the better tbh lol
Gabi bell and Chad Chad fans unite!
I'm really bad about rewatching things I just can't do it without it feeling off, but youtubers like Gabby and Chad Chad I can rewatch and laugh at and not feel weird about! The only full fledged comedian I can do that with is Randy Feltface 😔😔 All in all Netflix should find better rewatchable comedians (I'm exhausted so this comment might be all over the place I apologize)
@@Sadie-rai psychopath
yes.
Haha
Lilly Singh literally tokenized herself lmao. In her meetings with NBC she probably literally said "look how many boxes ill check off for yall"
I like how people act like it's their fault... On one hand your career goes nowhere but you're respectable and funny to all 7 of your regulars.
On the other, a million dollars but you have to use jokes approved by David the Bigot.
Everyone pretends they're the first kind until they're $40,000 into a shopping spree and realize they just blew their retirement.
@@RobinTheBot But this makes no sense, if her comedy was bigot she would have gotten canceled, not praised.
@@RobinTheBot she’s already made a ton of money with her RUclips, book, tours, etc. so I don’t think she was doing this bc she was blowing money and needed more.
@@RobinTheBotshe had a pretty successful and huge RUclips channel before she got into comedy tho it wasn’t her and her 7 followers it was her and her massive following that she had for nearly a decade before she even turned to regular television.She was already earning her tonnes of revenue before she even rlly turned to comedy television.
@@atbvip
…so what was it then?
2:28 my dad had a severe stroke causing him paralysis down the left-hand side of his body. We'd go to comedy shows and he always sat at the front and instead of clapping he'd bang the table. Comedians would point that out and try joke back. He'd find it funny when stand ups started stumbling and drawing blanks when they heard about his stroke but he would love it more when Comedians didnt give him a free pass because of it and actually say something funny. Met a lot of cool Comedians this way. Some would thank my dad for having a sense of humour but he'd always say "no thank you for treating me like you do everyone else and seeing me as a person and not a wheelchair"
your dad sounds cool
your dad sounds awesome ❤️
W dad
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What the person said above me
My favorite nonwhiteman comedian is Josh Johnson. I fell in love when he talked about being a nerd catfishing the KKK on Craigslist as a kid and I never fell out, he's still HILARIOUS.
I saw him live last year and it was incredible!
I was like who, but ah yeah the guy who catfished the kkk, that was an insanely great story. He needs to make more content 😁 I will learn his name if I see hem more!
He uploads weekly on RUclips@@OrlyVlogt
@@OrlyVlogt You're in for a treat, he has a ton of content on RUclips just search for his name and you'll find his channel.
what special is this? it sounds hilarious!
I know she’s not a comedian but an actress but whatever. Diane Morgan’s performance as Philomena Cunk is freaking genius and the reason the jokes on both shows hit so well.
Omg yessss. I love that show and have genuinely laughed out loud so many times watching that.
i remember her doing the character way back on charlie brooker's show and i was so pleased to see she had a whole show to herself now
She is funny as fuck! They say women like funny men but it goes both ways, men love funny women too but women often are too afraid of embarrassment to attempt to be funny. It’s the same reason attractive men are terrible comedians. A beautiful woman who is confident and funny has the entire world in her hands.
She just popped up in my feed. I have to be in the mood for her (I'm easily embarrassed) but she's very clever.
Best female representation in media since the 1989 #1 hit from Belgium, "Pump Up the Jam" by Technotronic.
Someone phrased it perfectly for me saying that the studios just transferred toxic masculinity onto most female leads and called it "feminism", leaving all the interesting, vulnerable, and emotional parts for the men.
Sooo... toxic femininity?
@@jjdelft3216 Kinda? I think toxic femininity is what Regina George does.
Yep
That's exactly how I feel about Captain Marvel tbh. Like, "tough" and "determined" cannot be a character's ONLY personality traits! People prefer the male characters because they're often fully developed, as opposed to just being 'strong.'
@@isfpoisson First, the character itself, is dumb. Similarly to Superman, the character just does too much and for that reason, it’s boring. - it’s like playing a video game with all the cheat codes on.
It could also have something to do with the fact that the character is also played by someone with an incredible lack of personality that anyone would be interested in - essentially the character she plays (just without the powers - so even less interesting). The one shining spot that stands out is her arrogance and it’s not done in a fun/humorous way - most of her co-stars have shown they don’t even like her. That’s not a “we’re against women thing either. They do great with other women, just very evidently don’t enjoy working w her.
Honestly I think you touched on the main reason why female comedy is seen as so much weaker, variety. Not just in jokes or comedic style but even the amount of female comedians. There's a lot of male comedians, so many that bad ones can easily be overshadowed and forgotten. But the female sphere is smaller, bad comedians stand out more and the whole sphere is sadly dominated by Amy Schumer types that make headlines.
And the bad female comedians still get a platform as the big money sees it as woke activism instead of looking for the hilarious female comedians which there are many it’s just they aren’t as main stream and well known
The females sphere promote their worst.
@@hamoiq908 "the big money" really?
@@Nana-wi4gi Netflix
When I clicked this video, I was thinking that. I can definitely name some terrible specials by men but also so many that are better. One day the ratio will be better on the women's end.
Would be really interesting and cool to maybe even see a follow up video about the good female comedians that you ended up watching and why they are actually really good etc! :)
I remember something Björk said, something along the lines of 'I want to be an artist, a writer, a singer, someone who is funny, and then lastly a woman' basically I'd like to live in a world where being a woman is low down on the list and to be recognised for other things before I'm recognised as being a woman and that's how I'd like women comedians to be too.
She really seems pretty fucking cool as a person. She’s feminine but she writes about human experience, even my dad loves some of her albums. Even has a song called “human emotion”.
And that’s not to say that every woman needs to be feminine, it’s just cool to see someone who doesn’t rely on femininity and also doesn’t reject femininity. Very relatable for many women.
@@Oceanww great points
THIS! 👆100%!!!
That's why I don't like that much the "women in gaming" "women in stem" etc. Yes, I am an engineer. Yes I also happen to be a woman. Get over it. Like, on the one hand I am glad my actions help other women pursue what they want, but also I'm only doing it because I want to, not as any sort of message.
I have seen some breakdowns of Amy and some have said that her comedy is bad because it has not evolved. She started with raunchy and crude humor when she was on Last Comic Standing. And as she continued in the comedy scene, her comedy remained nearly the same. It's not easy to evolve as a comedian/entertainer but I think it becomes their staying power. Like, as they grow as a person their comedy changes.
A few hacks like Jeff Foxworthy got a lot of money and attention based on running the same joke over and over again, but even they usually fizzle out. Longstanding comedy changes with the times. You eventually have to sit down and write some new material.
bo burnham is a great example of a comedian whose comedy has stayed funny and relatable for years without being the same joke over and over. Inside was so so good, especially because he was making fun of his older stuff. he changed up his jokes while keeping his sense of humor intact, which can be hard to do
so you’re saying that amy schumer didn’t grow as a person? i mean… can’t argue with that
It's hard to evolve as a comedian when your humor is stolen from actually funny people.
I think the biggest issue I see with her on every criticism she gets is that she copies verbatim from other comedians. Now I don't think there's anything wrong with a small "yoink and twist", you know occasionally taking a good joke and putting your own twist on it can be okay sometimes. The issue is when you line-for-line copy the entire joke from somebody else and just say it with worse delivery.
Taylor Tomlinson is a great example of an actually funny woman comedian. She makes lots of jokes abt being a woman, she makes vulgar jokes, she jokes abt growing up Catholic, but she has a delivery that really showcases her personality. It’s not a copy paste of other comedians, it’s not taking what male comedians do but girlbossing it. It’s just her
Edit: just got to the part where you mention her
Delivery and timing and things like that are a HUGE factor. Im 100% sure there are women who can make pretty much the same jokes aa Amy but do it in a way thats hilarious.... not trying to hate on her or something its just: stand up comedy is definitely not for everyone.
@@idhunepijl1404 Yeah, like that first joke that made Gabi laugh is actually kinda good in terms of its content, but oh my god, Amy’s delivery is just horrible and devoid of personality
Yes! Taylor is just a great joke writer. Another great comic who also happens to be female is Rosebud Baker. I'm just starting to watch this so I'm not sure if anyone else gets mentioned lol
Taylor has amazing timing but also just has non vulgar relatabable comedy with mental health issues but just explains it in a great way.
@@idhunepijl1404 There are women who can make the same jokes funny. Just look at the original comedians whom Amy stole or inspired from.
Her delivery and timing is the biggest problems but her attitude towards criticisms and crying 'oppression' and misogyny everytime people don't kiss her arse don't help either.
I flew in all the way from LA and boy are my arms tired.
Classic!
I always point to Kim Possible when people ask for examples of “girl power” that aren’t forced. She isn’t written as a man so she can be capable and powerful, she’s written as a girl who is capable. She’s pretty stereotypically feminine but has all sorts of hobbies and proficiencies. She loves shopping and sales and cheerleading and boys and has a plushie collection that she’s embarrassed of. She also loves crime-fighting and martial arts and gadgets and combat and problem-solving and extreme sports. She can be catty with Bonnie and girly with Monique and pal around with Ron. None of it is painted as “yuck, girls” or is NLOG-coded. There was another badass woman in Shego, also feminine without being one-note with long hair and nails and violence and anger and destruction and smarminess and allowing Draken to do all the planning because she’s bored with all that. The fact that Ron seemed so useless and unnecessary but was always invited along because he did end up being helpful while Kim was always capable was a really big change, but he was so goofy and weird and unapologetically himself that no one was upset with his character.
Everyone I knew, regardless of gender, loved Kim Possible, because she wasn’t written to fill a quota. She was a super spy that happened to be a girl, and we all loved that.
Definitely some truth, and it's why I feel like there's this unnecessary knee-jerk reaction against people who criticize lazily written female characters, but then there is also an unnecessary knee-jerk against female leads because there have been so many poorly written ones, and it feels like we all need to converge and meet on the "let's make actually good female main characters" line I think we all actually support.
@@BeefIngotthey're haven't been right
Also Buffy the vampire slayer!!!
A girl being capable seems cool, even cooler if she's called kim POSSIBLE jdasjdjajsdjadajdjasd
Power puff girls should be another example
You know what I don't understand, Lilly Singh made a point that almost sounded like she was complaining about the media only representing her as a bisexual woman of colour, but then proceeded to make every single one of her one liner jokes about that while somehow also copying the format set out by David Letterman and other straight white male hosts. I can definitely see how this was a massive swing and a miss even though I'm not a bisexual woman of colour
Ya both the first clip that was showed and the announcement music video thing both are saying I’m not just a bi woman of colour and I’m gonna do things different than the white men and then proceeds to make every joke about being a bi woman of colour and do nothing else different than the white male hosts. In other words walked right into the point and still missed it
it seems like her writing team screwed her over with that (if you take her word for it)
Anthony Padilla's video with her talks about it
She did Not. Her complaints were absolutely correct. She still did jokes about it because its part of who she is but she was reduced to that. She had other comedy too. People refused to see that for reasons only you know since you refused to see.
@@MZBS639 This is how she sold herself. If somebody watched this preview and didn't find it funny, they are under zero obligation to watch the show and hope it somehow becomes more to their taste.
this is why i love comedians like Kurtis Conner, and youtubers like Chad chad, like they're genuinely funny without having to be vulgar or repeat old jokes over and over again
Yes yes
Kurtis is my favorite woman comedian
I don't think they qualify as comedians strictly.
@@bendover7841 not as Stand Up comedians for sure, but as comedians they might
@@Keijspermeister Kurtis has his own stand up show… I think he does classify
Main reason for hating Amy is because of that time she tried to make a joke about some guys friend who committed suicide and basically said “we wish it was you instead” that was awful. I don’t know how she was in commercials or made shows after that especially after being exposed for stealing so many jokes.
Or that time she talked about sleeping with a dude who was so drunk he was slipping in and out of consciousness while she was sober
How dare you call Steve-O "some guy" 😢
For anyone looking for female comedians, Taylor Tomlinson might be one of my favorite comedians ever. She still needs to work on her improv, and thankfully compensates with really good crowdwork. But whenever she writes a long stand up... It's insane how many great jokes she can fit in a couple minutes. So that's my recomendation for today thank you for coming to my ted talk see ya
One of the reasons I think Taylor's long stand up works so well is because she tells stories, and paints the picture and carries you through that situation, often in a relatable but new way
Oh my god finally someone says it. I love Taylor Tomlinson. If you like her you will LOVE Ilisa Schlesinger!
Saw her live her crowd work was great! Really deserves more attention
100%. I would also recommend Hannah Berner and Yvonne Orji (and Jessica Kirson, if you're into dark humor comedians who like to play rough).
Yeah she’s good
my friend taught amy schumers son and had met her multiple times and said she was nice whenever they talked, she even tipped my friend a few hundred bucks for teaching her son,
decent lady, bad comedian
I mean, that is a much better praise that "fucking bigoted assholes, good comedian" that I could say about so many other people. I prefer comediants that aren't funny over comediants that openly get on stage to spread hate/misinformation about marginalized people.
I don't think its very "nice" to say the phrase "drink like a homeless person"
@@catsandtaylorswift Definitely gonna need more context on this one before deciding. Is that in this vid?
Edit: Ok, it is the video. I don't think it was meant in a bad way. She could have made a lil funnier though lol
My only thing is that one time she brought up Steveos friend who had recently died and joked that we all wished he had died instead.. she’s just a good bit insensitive
@@egodewav7810 She once joked about someone’s recently passed friend.
I think the thing with Amy that gets me is like….. she is ALWAYS drunk or high, and it comes off as being kind of sad. She clearly has struggled with drinking and drugs, and when she joked about it it was always very Sad Cringe. I think the reason her delivery is so weird is bc it feels like listening to your intoxicated friend that never takes advice joke about their life that is spiraling out of control
THIS!
THIS though. perfectly sums up how i feel when i watch her! i never was able to pinpoint it and seeing it described in so many words - you hit the nail on the head 💯💯💯
i was gonna say she seems super wasted in that video and it's honestly sad to watch
Being drunk is not good for the stage, but being high usually enhances a performance.
I so agree. All of her stand up sounds like she is high. It was never funny. It doesn't fit her overall appearance and vibe. There are some girls who can pull that off, but amy Schumer isn't one of those women. You need to be cool to pull that off, and i think amy thinks she's cool. But she really isn't.
One thing i noticed about female comedians, is that they don't try to be relatable to everyone. There is nothing wrong with having a target audience, but many male comedians do try to be relatable, and i believe that's what makes many people like the jokes, because they feel like they are true. Male comedians also aren't afraid to offend anyone or make fun of every group.
I'm a woman, and well i'm not a comedian, but ever since childhood i watched comedians people consider funny, as time passed by i copied the style of their humor. Now most times i try to make people laugh i succeed.
The IT department joke on Lily Singh's show was killer. With a better delivery that would have taken the entire audience out.
Yeah I laughed at that ngl
@@ZachBobBob same
The crowd laughed on the joke before she could even finish the punchline
Yeah they was funny af ngl 😭🤣
yeah i hate that i giggled at it
The Ghibli movie bit is a great point. One of my favorite moments in any movie ever is Chihiro sobbing. Not because she's a girl but because she's a child who just got a chance to decompress after her whole life got flipped upside down. She maintained for as long as she had to and got to eat and relax for just that moment and she absolutely breaks down. It's not because she's a girl. Anyone would have that reaction. It's genuinely an amazing and simple scene in a movie filled with madness.
To that point, no one had to tell Nausicaa she was cool, she proved it. No one had to say Sofie was strong, she proved it. No one said Mononoke was badass, she proved it. A good character is just that, a good character.
I always cry at that scene
Umi Matsuzaki in From up on Poppy Hill is one of my all-time favourite film characters!
@@SomaKitsune I love from up on poppy hill even though it's one of the less popular ghibli movies
This comment made me think about the Resident Evil 3 Remake. Carlos keeps telling Jill how smart and how good she is to her face, almost like she was some kind of special needs child in need of validation.
I felt embarassed for her. Of course it wasn't like that in the original.
The fact the Lily Singh said “ I was born in the hood” but who remembers how nice her parents house was when she would show it in her videos.
I don't know the context but maybe as she has gained a lot of money, she had the change to buy a house for her parents to move out of the hood but idk
I really don't think that Canada has something akin to "the hood" like the US. In the US, the housing projects that are now referred to as "hood" were specifically designed to segregate the, mostly, black population from the, mostly, white, suburban population. I can't imagine that being applicable to Canada.
@@raptorjesus6120 Toronto does, I can't speak for the other places in Canada since I've only been to Toronto.
@@raptorjesus6120trust me bro, we have some hood areas
She's trying to check all the woke boxes, like she worked her way from the bottom to get where she is. When in reality, they were looking for any brown woman and she just happened to be one...
I think a difference in male and female comedy is, i feel like when male comidians talk about male subjects many times its like "hey women look how weird, funny, gross we are" with participation of women aswell, it feels more inclusive, when female comidians talk about female things most of the time its just aimed at women and the men are just excluded from the joke.
The brown M&M joke failed cuz she effectively explained the joke with those next couple lines
I also think pausing between each name for the audience to applaud killed the momentum that might have made it work
I'm thinking about how that joke was presented and then how a similar joke would have been presented by, I dunno, like, John Oliver or someone. Would have fucking crushed it.
It doesn't work because when your only joke is "brown women" the 100th joke about brown women isn't funny. The reason why a joke about black people works for Donald Glover or Eddie Murphy works is because they have OTHER things to talk about
I was listening to a podcast with Bo Burnham way back where he talks about how the stand up community is difficult for certain female comics and doesn’t reward certain types of comedy, it reduces the types of styles female comedians that get popular. There are some great American women comics whose style is more unusual but they are still sort of niche.
I really like Maria Bamford, and I think she's the exception to the rule when it comes to her style of comedy.
What was the podcast called
Like Tig Notaro and Maria Bamford. Even Chelsea Peretti.
The first two are utterly incredible stand ups
@@cablehogue599 It was in an interview from years ago, I think his interview with Pete Holmes? His "You Made It Weird" podcast.
@@SMATF5 I love her and I believe he specifically mentioned how much he loved her as well! An exception that proved the rule.
My favorite female stand up comedian is definitely Taylor Tomlinson. She talks about being a women and sex but she talks about her life too and who she is as a person not her whole identity being around her being a woman.
She’s also one of my favorites! Searched the comment section to find someone mentioning her!
She’s a perfect example!!
She is definitely one of my favourites if not the best. She makes me laugh my ass off whatever she jokes about. Her delivery is engaging, her timing, face expressions, voice imitations are all so well done. Most of the time I am already smirking before the punchline
YES
yup same shes one of the relatively few female comedians ive seen from the algorithm thats really funny to me, shes one of my favorite comedians tho
“Girl power” is a phrase we need to leave in the past honestly. It just never sits right with me.
I love that you brought up Mulan, because I completely agree. The animated version never felt like they were trying to force feminism down our throats. It was just a movie telling a story. Whereas your other example, Captain Marvel, and even the live action Mulan, they aren't just telling a story, they're trying to prove something to us. It is hard to fully explain the difference though, but there absolutely is one.
@honey b Well, obviously. It’s the easiest way to represent all women in the laziest way possible. Gives writers a break from actually having to do their job.
Haven't seen the live action Mulan but I do agree about the animated Mulan. Because in the animated Mulan, she fought in the war so that her old father wouldn't. She just fought for her country and went back home.
You just did 💜🤘
THIS
Sigh* we've gone backwards.
“I feel like that could’ve been funny. And it wasn’t, and I don’t know why” is like the perfect description of Lilly Singh’s entire existence. It’s one thing to not be funny, but it’s another thing to be unfunny when you really could’ve been if you were someone else. That makes it extra sad
it could’ve been funny cause tv shows have writers. the potential comes from them
That’s because it’s more than about what you say.
Timing, inflection, tone, mannerisms all play a role in making something funny.
You can say something that SHOULD be funny all day long but if it is mistimed or in the wrong tone it becomes rude or insensitive or whatever, but not funny.
@ohgeezrick2019
That 💯
Plus, the absence of an actual punchline. It's like she never had punchlines, she just had... lines.
You hit the nail on the head. The relentless focus of being a woman, a minority, and sex are the majority of clips I see from women. My favorite comedians are 50% comedians and 50% philosophers - they study the human condition and make funny but smart observations.
This, and people who use comedy to educate and shed light on other aspects of the human condition, like politics, disabilities, human rights, or social events or movements. Not in a click-bait way or riding off of what’s trending, but to actually comment and expose aspects of modern day that we otherwise don’t get a chance to really look at.
If I don’t make sense, it’s because I’m sleep-deprived and I’m sorry 😂😢
Have you seen Jacqueline Novak's Get on your knees? It's a 90 minute one-woman-show mostly deconstructing blowjobs, but it's very intelligent, fast-paced and funny. In my opinion it has it's flaws certainly, but definitely worth checking out.
absolutely ❤@@mariecarie1
All while screeching inaudibly *STOP MAKING IT ALL ABOUT MY SEX LIFE/RACE/WOMANHOOD DAMMIT*
Schumer’s not funny, full stop. She is the epitome of a nepo baby- she got several hands up because of who she’s related to.
Singh is just a perpetual victim. She wants things because she thinks she’s worked for them and deserves them.
Margaret is moderately funny- she’s not bad but she’s no one I’d go out of my way to watch if a new special drops.
Whitney has one of the most unironically hilarious podcast moments- talking to Howie Mandel, she throws herself the biggest pity party and is ONLY a thing because Rogan loves her and insists on hyping her. God help us when she’s with Burt Kreischer.
Gadsby is just so cringe. There’s not a thing about her that doesn’t give me secondhand embarrassment and cringe every single time she remotely tries to be funny.
There’s very few women I find hilarious- my favorite is Kathleen Madigan. Absolutely hilarious and never not funny. But you better be hilarious if you expect me to listen/watch. Dave Chappelle, Ricky Gervais, Eddie Murphy, Kathleen Madigan, Louis CK, and Matteo Lane.
@@mariecarie1It's the social equivalent of dark humor. Seeing the fallacies and everyday struggles of being a human, and then being able to laugh at it. Being able to acknowledge things while still making people laugh is an art. Emergencies responders have some of the best humor and it's a coping mechanism. I personally suspect that like other forms of art, comedians cope with life by laughing at it and helping others do the same
0:51 because funy.
I think it’s unfair to blame Amy Schumer for ruining women’s comedy. I don’t like Amy Schumer, I don’t think she’s funny. But male comedians can be unfunny and just be ‘bad comedians’. Amy Schumer is unfunny and she’s ‘letting down women everywhere’. It’s unfair to place this burden on her just because she’s a woman. Instead we should look at and blame the system that made her the figurehead of female comedy
Yes to this!!!
There is jimmy kimmel...
Very true. Also, Amy Shummer used to be hilarious. Not every comedian has the longevity that all the GOATS have. It’s very rare infact.
THISS
Steven Crowder identifies as a comedian.
Let that sink in for a while
to me, good comedy gets the entire audience to relate to the comic’s situation, not just the people who have shared those experiences. i hate to say it but john mulaney does this really well. none of us have ever gotten a hand up the ass from a doctor in batman scrubs but boy do we sure feel like we’ve taken that journey with him when he tells the story
John Mulan is up there with Kevin hart Dave Chapelle and Gabriel Iglesias for me cause they do that very well too
Tom Segura is another that just has an inane talent for placing the audience in his shoes and experiencing whatever he's talking about.
@@superfish60 *old* Dave Chappell*
@@Snake369 he’s transphobic as hell nowadays though lmao
@@Ghost_Token tomato, tomahto. if that were really so awful, there'd be a legitimate basis for it. alas, it makes zero sense when you try to justify any of it. :(
I think the big reason it's such a large trend in the industry is that so many stand-up comedians that are women feel pressured to take on the "not like other girls" persona to try to make it in the male-dominated industry. So they embrace things like vulgarity and self-tokenization to make it to the top, because it works, but then it bites them in the ass once they're in a spotlighted position because people see through it immediately. i find this fascinating
I think that comes into play in a different way with Lilly Singh
My thing about Lilly is she relies on the whole “I shouldn’t be here” thing. She does the whole second person: “you’re probably thinking” and no, I’m not thinking that. She underestimates her audience’s empathy and intelligence, as well as over-explaining literally every joke. Like, as a viewer I’m sitting there thinking: I don’t care that you’re an Indian woman, I never said you shouldn’t be here.
But the whole time she’s like “I shouldn’t be here” and it just leaves you feeling like: ok, what are you doing to prove that you should be here. Because all I’ve heard is you talking about how out of place you are, but you haven’t done anything to make it seem like you deserve it. If she keeps saying she doesn’t belong and she doesn’t make funny jokes or provide insightful commentary, I’m going to believe her. Not only is she not that funny, she’s actively holding herself back by priming her audience to think: why am I not watching a different show, why is she hosting rather than whoever or so and so?
She also specifically calls out white people and Middle America, alienating and insulting them but not in a funny way just in a mean way, but who does she think watches late night talk shows? 😂
That's a good point. I am of the mindset that women don't need "personas" to be funny. Sure, personas can be fun if you establish yourself in said persona, but if you lack authenticity and you put on a persona to make up for it, the audience will see right through it.
:3
my favourite comedian is a purple Australian puppet named Randy Feltface! most of his comedy is, in fact, not about being purple, or a puppet, or australian!
Randy is the actual best of the best, and I have a massive crush on him
is this how i realize that the itchiness i get inside my mouth from eating fruit and vegetables is a condition and not a silly little trait of mine
Yea dawg I'm pretty sure that's not supposed to happen
Mine is only towards some fruit and my gums itch so when I tell people there's certain fruit I can't eat they don't believe me
me
...you thought an allergy to fruits and vegetables was a personality trait?
No fr I thought that’s just how kiwis work
Personally I love Taylor Tomlinson. Her delivery is always on point and her body language and expressions are killer
Omg right?? She's greatly talented and definitely my favorite
same!!!!!
I feel like she's one of the only women in comedy that even misogynistic men tend to agree is really talented and funny. She's just good at what she does imo
The way she described how guys feel love was the most relatable shit. Like when she says I want to lick her heart, goddamn that's what I felt.
Shes a real stand up. You can hear, see and feel the experience behind her material.
Lots of female stand up is just “clap humour”. They call out things that do need to be called out, but people go to comedy shows to laugh, not to think.
(2:40) Biggest issue I have with Amy Schumer is that she always sounds like she's not confident, that she can't remember her jokes and tries to come up with them as she speaks. A lot of ums in there.
I feel like she’s always some degree of intoxicated too, which can’t help with memory retention or ease of delivery
i think she's trying to be relatable and casual and failing miserably
She stoled the jokes from many different comedians, look up the "amy Schumer stiling jokes" And you will know also she ask for same pay check as high paid male comedians either wise it's male dominant country
@@Jellybeansatdusk fr she sounds so drunk
Oh God you’re right. Now I can’t unsee it or hear it 😂
7:08 Here in 2024 and turns out amy schumer absolutely IS a bad person
I feel like when women joke about being women in a depricating way, it opens the door for men to dogpile and be like: "see! she's a woman and agrees with me!" Amongst other things
But the facts are people don't find most women funny. Most women find other women funny but for the majority, people aren't laughing at most female jokes
@@hinamatsuro1908 Yeah sure, but I wasn't talking about the comedic level
@@hinamatsuro1908 what is leading you to make that generalization? Is there some type of statistic you’re referencing or are you just… being misogynistic
@@ileana2708 Name me 1 female comedian that is funny, or a video. Is there a meme or popular funny joke on the internet created by a woman? Just from observation I've found most women aren't funny, except for some youtubers but they aren't even comedians Lmao. Yeah SOME women are funny and yeah obviously this narrarative will change in the future and maybe more women will be more funny than men and women will dominate comedy, but as of now most women just don't have comedy that is funny to most people and it's identified as just bad
@@hinamatsuro1908 so what you’re saying is you’re making the generalization based off nothing? What you’re telling me is that you’re attempting to speak for “most people” without any basis to back up your claims?
amy schumer: "hey guys, so um...sex?"
**roaring applause**
"...poop and pee and stuff?"
**crowd goes wild**
This reads like the ironic summaries of Big Bang Theory 10 - 15 years back
20 years ago, she was legit funny.
Sarah Silverman (possibly in blackface) opening a gig: "*awkward pause*...
... ... ... *..."My vagina."*
"AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!
Oh, don't worry, she has a joker up her sleeve, "we're all wondering why it couldn't have been Steve-O".
**crowd goes silent**
Amy Schumer is one of those people where she’s terrible with her “own” material, but when written for/ edited, she’s great. I hate her, but she was hilarious in Unfrosted
ive complained about this recently about gay films and films about disabilities, where people in them dont just HAPPEN to be queer or have a disability, but that the whole film is CENTERED on that and it makes it too forced
Yeah this is the prevailing issue, and I think it's that way because the industry is still focused on trying to let people know they're being inclusive, so they end up forcing their minority cast way too hard. It's the same with movies about women who don't fit into conventional beauty standards, with Tammy being like the only movie about a plus sized woman that doesn't constantly mention it I can think of.
It’s gotta be done right, when it’s just about identity then poorly written. I also feel like that if a a character is written and they do just happen to be, for example, gay then people still hate on it for being about identity because it’s a different experience. A gay person will have other experiences so it’s not never gonna come up. I feel a lot of it comes from bigotry but I’m the flip side so many attempts of inclusion are so poor because companies don’t care they’re just want that dollar dollar
This. But this isn’t just queer or disabilites, but also sex, race or so many other factors.
Never force a character to be something, let them be what makes sense.
I do agree. I think it's definitely OK to have some films centered around common difficulties of being queer, disabled, or just generally marginalized, and being able to overcome. 1 to give hope to people like the main character, and 2 to share the difficulties that are faced with people that don't face them.
That being said, I think it's equally, if not more important, to have diversity presented and not necessarily even mentioned. Idk why but the first example that came to mind is Nigel in The Devil Wears Prada. I can't remember if he is expressly said to be queer, but it's atleast implied. He is a major character, but really the only scene that loosely touches on his queerness is when he lectures Andy on the power fashion has and he shares his experiences growing up hiding fashion magazines.
As some with multiple disorders and a minor disability I always say "there's a difference between using your disorder and an excuse vs an explanation". I think the underlying theme cam be used here, there's a different between and disabled character and a character who happens to be disabled. One has the main focus on the disability while the other the disability is just a character triat. Same for LGBT+ and BIPOC representation at times.
The oral allergy syndrome drop got me, I had to do a double take. I've had it since I was 17 and only like four people since then have ever mentioned it around me.
I feel like a lingering stigma of having to be "one of the boys" stuck around in women's stand-up way longer than it should have.
It's that and that they needed a reason to be included.
If they aren't able to compete with the male comedians (due to talent or bias) they needed to be telling the jokes that men weren't telling.
So they ended up just talking about periods and cum.
Schumer was good at it at first but then again she was stealing jokes adhd having her boyfriend write for her
Whitney Cummings
Yups.
i read "lingering ligma" 😔
Gabi saying “why am I laughing” over and over was funnier than all these comedians combined.
I think that just sort of highlights that "bad comedy" for big female comedians is not even that bad. I mean it's bad, but it's not Jim Breuer.
@@TheBc99 every bad comedian is gonna have the occasional good joke. But I agree Jim Breuer is just dogshit
That was funny but I didn't smile at all
Kaitlin Olson is an example of a world class comedic actress who does gross out and sexual humor excellently. She elevates It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia so much as the show goes on, and her humor has me rolling constantly.
She is such a hilarious woman, I’m so glad she made it onto ASIP because the show wouldn’t be the same without her. The Mick is also pretty great.
She also has the best fake gagging sound in the business, no one can almost throw up on camera as good as she can.
She's awesome in the podcast aswell! Amazing episodes!
@@The_Fat_Turtle Love the episode where she has Charlie “walk in her shoes” for a day and has him do a stand up routine 😂
But there's a difference between acting a script written for you, and being a stand-up comedian. I do love her though and will always love Sunny.
18:45 not super important but the character captain marvel is a woman, disney didnt decide to make captain marvel a woman, the comic book character captain marvel is carol danvers and has been a woman the whole time. you might be understandably confusing her with DC captain marvel billy batson whos part of the justice league and yells shazam to transform into a superhero, but thats DC not Marvel, they both have a character named captain marvel.
Lilly's humour and videos worked for me.. during my prepubescent teenage years.
Same
I'm in those teenage years right now and at first I thought she wasn't that bad but evrything after her first joke and the music video felt a "bit" much for me so i think I'll stay with my funny yt videos 👍🏼
Teenagers are not pre-pubescent. They are pubescent.
@@GreenEnvy. He probs means like 12/13
I will watch Lily Singh on mute only cuz I find her physically attractive. Stacked AF but simply her words are annoying & not funny...
What doesn’t help is Amys utter lack of charisma and enthusiasm when delivering her punch lines
I feel like she doesn’t guide the audience enough and her timing makes no sense
nah fr 😭 plus she always sounds drunk which j makes it awkward
One of my favorite female comedians right now is Taylor Tomlinson, she does some bits about being a woman and is occasionally vulgar but it makes up a very small portion of her material. She jokes about other aspects of her identity like growing up Christian, being bipolar, being a millennial, etc. and she doesn't rely on vulgarity to be genuinely funny. If you watch some of her material on youtube (not just the Netflix specials), her delivery is perfect and she's also really good at engaging with her audience and making up jokes on the spot. She just seems like a really genuine person who loves her job and isn't necessarily trying to be mainstream.
I 100% agree! LOVE Taylor Tomlinson
I liked her first special, not so much the second one, but it's hard to follow up quarter life crisis
Taylor gang rise up!
Taylor Tomlinson is my favorite comedian as of late!
Yeah! She’s great on Conan’s podcast too!
The irony of Lily’s rapping sounding like Iggy Azalea is just wonderful
she should be a rapper
"do you see where i'm whitney cumming from?" made me laugh so much harder than all the jokes here so far. absolutely beautiful.
Ikr?
that joke sucked
Wat?
I can't believe she said the name whitney Cummings so much without a single cum joke
@@connor5669
waaahhh, waaaaahhhhhhhHHHHH
one of my favorite female comedians is taylor tomlinson. she does jokes about being a woman, but she doesn't rely on it. she does a lot of jokes about her personal experiences aside from being a woman, too. and she's actually really funny
She's definitely a fave of mine as well. Her comedy's just very relatable in general, girl or guy.
She talks about growing up in church and just growing up in general, going through those awkward years, which we've obviously all been through.
I guess is the only woman comedian,who is naturally funny,for everyone.......
I agree very funny, humble and great delivery
@@lelloz7444I like Taylor Tomlinson, but also Michelle Wolf fucking kills me
I like her too, but I just watched two of her specials, and prettymuch every joke is based on, or makes reference to her gender and expectations surrounding her gender. Imo, however, there's nothing wrong with basing ones comedy on ones own life experience and identity. It's all just art, some people will like the painting, some will complain about it, red dragon might EAT the painting, but the fact that it elicits a reaction from everyone is part of what makes it art.
I will say this about Lily Singh: I watched her a TON growing up as a South Asian kid who literally latched onto anyone on RUclips who was brown like me lol. She definitely has some nostalgia to her just because of her older videos, but like,, now that I'm older,, I'm 100000% left wanting more from her because like homegirl has been making the same kind of jokes with no depth to them FOR YEARSS. Anyways, just wanted to say that I used to find her funny and comforting, but it just got old very quick and yeah her late late show is godawful which is disappointing. :/ Also, I recently stumbled upon your channel and congrats on 100K!!! :D Love your content
I think so much of her stuff was a flop cause of her lack of experience and also her stuff on RUclips was targeted towards kids, a lot of the people hating her show now really liked her RUclips channel when they were younger, it’s just that we grew out of so much of that kind of comedy
I agree with you for the most part, but I do think her videos on periods some of the best videos I have ever seen on the subject, and great at explaining the struggle well to young people. I re-watched the first one recently and it still holds up.
@@ericaolive agree love ziwe :)
Same, she was one of the few representation we had so I latched onto her content. But after time she never grew as a comedian and would make the same jokes with no depth. Her talk show only made it more apparent how much her comedic format needed changing.
Her parent videos got out of hand and she overexaggerted stereotypes a bit to where it felt like she was throwing them under the bus for white people to laugh at. Jusreign is a great example of someone who made brown parent content but it felt like it was actually catered to brown people and the jokes were highly relatable and funny.
I still respect her as a person and think she's an incredibly hard-working, and I admire her for that. Drew Goodman made a great commentary on her content.
For people who want to skip because of cringe, here is a tip so Gabi still gets watch time:
Mute your device
(This isn’t meant to be mean against anyone. It is just a joke. ❤ but seriously, let Gabi have her watch time 😭)
Amy Schumer doesn't just give women comedians a bad name, she gives comedians, women, humans a bad name.
And also her fellow quadropedal animals.
Unfunny + Terrible personality + Terrible human + Genocide Endorser
I think the most problematic aspect of Amy Schumer’s performances is that she perpetuates the stereotype that beached whales can’t be funny.
She’s also just a bad person
She’s only there because Jewish and Uncle Chuck.
I think there's something interesting about Lilly Singh using her platform to talk about how nobody gives her a platform for the entirety of the runtime of her platform.
sooo cringe
Hahaha it was half of her routine on YT and she didn't know what to do when she got the platform.
I guess that's what happens when you pick writers by color not capability. I'm a minority and I can handle being told I'm not funny cause has nothing to do with my ethnicity.
I completely forgot about her. I see her more as a child entertainer than a real comedian. She started out on YT and mentally never evolved from entertaining kids, preaching to the choir type content.
Thinking about the over-reliance on vulgarity, I wonder if it has to do with women being told they can't do that. When guys make like 283294 sex/masturbation jokes a day, most of the time, people just laugh and find it funny, but a lot of the times, if a woman jokes about that kind of stuff, people get mad at her for being inappropriate or "gross." So while I don't find it funny, I wonder if they just feel so belittled that they feel like they have to overcompensate for how many times people have told them to shut up and not talk about those kinds of things. Not like, an excuse for not being a successful comedian, but a reason that could make sense to me.
Edit: Lmao y'all I did not say "everyone always finds it more offensive when a woman makes raunchy jokes than a man with no exceptions," I said that generally, it tends to happen that way. I'm nonbinary, but I was raised as a girl, and this was the experience I had when I made those jokes myself vs. when my guy friends did.
I think thats part of it. It can feel liberating and be used to provoke (quite a big part of stand up) but overusing it takes away the value of it and just makes it boring. If you look at most popular male comedians they talk a lot about situations or just funny thoughts they have... if they were just talking about hairy balls or how much they fuck people would be bored pretty quick as well. (Unless they somehow make it hilarious in an original way everytime which I think is literally impossible)
Cope
Shit. I replied in the wrong place.
I think it's a valid question. In the past several years I would say the answer to this is no. Women aren't told to not do these things by "society". Women are more equal and have more opportunities than any point in history. I just don't think this is a valid argument anymore. If it were the early 2000s or 90s I would agree. And even if you look at female comedians back then, they just weren't this vulgar.
I personally feel like when it comes to female comedians like Schumer they just have a chip on their shoulder and want to compete with men and prove they're better. This is the same woman that complained that Netflix was sexist for giving her 11 million and paying Chapelle and Rock more as if her name should be uttered in the same sentence as them.
that’s not how comedy works. if somethings funny it’ll make you laugh, no matter who produced the funny moment
"I don't think Amy Schumer is like a bad person, though."
ME: (checks the description) "Ah, two years ago. *Before* she publicly defended genocide."
i dont get how gabi as a commentary youtuber has a better sense of humour and improvs better jokes and puns than these literal professionals
Honestly, I like Whitney Cummings.
@@richardarriaga6271 did you see her new special? Yikes
Yea I like Whitney too. Haven’t seen her new specials but her older ones were really funny. I can’t hate her role in a movie when other people are writing that material.
But yea, Gabi was very funny in this vid
Exactly, and there are more women YT that I am subbed to that does way better jokes!
Time to write and edit and do research helps a lot, and plus she is very funny and I like her sense of humor. It's about shedding a light on stupid shit, rather than long diatribes about her womanhood or whatever.
i went to a local bar a while back tht hosted a night of stand up comedy, & there was this 20ish yr old girl who was soo funny, timing & delivery was great, she even made the jokes tie in together at the end, she was a natural ! she even did some quick-wit improv when the mic audio messed up, u can just tell shes so effortlessly funny irl. but i noticed her comedy wasn't vulgar, it was more like wholesome & relatable jokes abt random situations. it didn't revolve around being a woman or sex or race stuff. just good ol clean humor and i loved it.
thats awsome
@blackspiderwebs: Her name?
Sounds like stuff the whole audience could relate to, too - I'm not a fan of comedians who spend their whole time alienating parts of their audience.
Nah impossible she probably stole jokes from a man
@@Lockfly Take that elsewhere. Women can think for themselves.
This is exactly why Taylor Tomlinson is funny to me. She has a wide repertoire of jokes: yes there are some sex jokes, but also mental health, upbringing, struggle with her religion, growing up etc
She's definitely going to be a super famous comedian in the next few years. Absolutely goated
Came here to say this. What an incredible comedian, and for sure my favorite
And Iliza:3
I love her
jessica kirston is also really funny!
With Lilly the problem is that she started out as a youtuber who loved everyone. She was a sunshine unicorn. Hate wasn't on her radar. And then her show starts & it was like she turned into a ranter who couldn't help but passive aggressively slip random quibs against white people. Like where did this come from. I supported the 1st episode but as the episodes kept going it felt so forced & so cringe. I'm all for educating & calling out racism. But her supporters were from her fanbase from unicorn Island where everyone was loved. I loved her since she began too.
I don't know where I heard this but for large media corporations women empowerment = women + toxic masculinity and I agree with it so much. That was one of the main reasons I hated Captian Marvel so much because it's whole thing is 'woman stands up' = strong. It's actually kind of insulting. I recommend Arcane to everyone for this very reason. It does complex female characters right. It does representaion right. It's refreshing to see female representaion that is not single dimensional. Media loves to write these characters whose whole personality is I am a woman.
totally agree with the captain marvel thing. they really went the whole “woah first lady main character superhero and she can beat up everyone cuz shes sooo op! go girlboss” but her character is just flat and didn’t develop throughout the movie.
Arcane did complex female characters representation
Dang couldn't place my sheer hatred towards Captain Marvel, but here it is. She really felt like someone's mary sue oc that gets life handed to her on a freaking plate
I never thought I'd love something LOL related so hard but Arcane is just fucking fantastic. Complex, sympathetic characters with flaws who are still basically good. Complex, sympathetic characters with flaws who can do BAD for reasons they find good. So many good female characters whose femininity isn't some virtue signaling blowhorn. Characters of different races whose color isn't a virtue signal. LGBT characters whose... Well, you get the idea. God, it's so good.
@@pandazzz5282 movie formula these days seems to be
1-Cast recognizable stars
2-Remove any unique plot points writers might have slipped into the script
3-MCs are infallible and therefore lack a character arc, only acceptable change in MC is increased confidence.
4-Design the happy meal toys or other merch.
I feel like the problem is not that female comedians only rely on being vulgar.. It's that the vulgar comedians are the only female comedians that rise to popularity. That should be the conversation.
I know it’s late but trans Weezer goes hard
Definitely. I've seen quite a few female comedians who are actually funny on my RUclips shorts that don't have much popularity.
@@jaydee4861 LMAO thank u hahaa
@@ArianeM-gk2vp Exactly, theres plenty. Tbh nowdays there are so many comedians its hard for anyone to get popular. But in the past there havent been any very famous female comedians either. Most definitely bc of sexism in the industry and in society in general, on top of women having less opportunity to get into entertainment industries.. Not because women are not funny / obly rely on vulgar humor.
Luckily it seems to be getting better but misogony still runs rampant
Yeah that is true
Ali Wong is literally basketballing with pregnancy for more than half of her stand-up specials, and she never once made me cringe at being a woman, or any Asian bits. She's also a surprisingly good actress.
What is the difference between her and Amy Schumer? Legit question.
@@sorinelknicks5398 delivery
Meh I she's not my cup of tea but at least she doesn't rely on hack
@@sorinelknicks5398 Ali Wong tells stories with situanional humor and punchlines. The occasional gross aspects add texture
Beef is the best comedy show to come out in a very long time. Ali handles the dramatic bits just as well as she does the comedic ones. And Steven Yuen is actually a shockingly good comedic actor.
At 2:58 I had heard enough “eh” to decide to turn it off, fuck this shit😂
It’s funny watching Amy preform because you can tell when she doesn’t get the laughs she was expecting and she will just throw punchline after punchline until she gets a laugh
The porn from the woman’s perspective joke “is it just the room” actually was funny because the idea of “porn for women” is hard to explain since porn is from the male gaze. Lesbian porn, gay porn, straight porn…very rarely is it filmed with the woman viewer in mind despite us wanting to find porn that we like too. So the joke has a reason and a punchline.
And that’s it. That’s the potential. A good joke in an otherwise awful special.
I mean plenty of women like the porn that’s out there. I think it’s a bit alienating to say “all men like this porn and all women hate it” because it sets up the genders not only as binaries but as monoliths that can’t deviate at all.
@@Chloe-ru2eb they aren’t saying that no women enjoy watching 🌽, they are saying 🌽 is made for the male gaze which stems from the patriarchy
@@avocadochony211 “porn is rarely filmed with the female viewer in mind despite us wanting to find porn that we like too.” so then because it’s not made with the female viewer in mind it means we can’t enjoy it? there are ways to argue against the male gaze that don’t involve lumping all women into one category and effectively separating them from men.
@@Chloe-ru2eb Most porn focuses on the woman’s face and her body and doesn’t show the man’s face and body as much. As a heterosexual woman it’s pretty annoying. I try to skip to the part where I see more of the man but the camera keeps going back to her body and face. If you’re bi you might not mind but most porn is definitely meant to be consumed by men which is quite annoying. Even the ads are 100% geared towards men, which shows that it’s assumed that it’s consumed by men. (This product will give you more inches, women in your area want your dick, cam girls).
@@Chloe-ru2eb women do not always come in p*rn. it doesn’t matter if they enjoy it or fake it for p*rn to be successful. the men ALWAYS do-it is the point of porn. that’s the simplest way to explain to you what the other commenter was saying, fr you have to be purposely misunderstanding cause it’s not complicated
Hi, comic here and maybe I can give a little insight. The issues you talked about with comedians pigeon holing themselves into dirty/vulgar humor only is something a lot of us hate within the scene. Most of the best comics I know, barley talk about their balls/vaginas on stage. You know why? Because it's SO played out that many of us are just as, if not more, tired of it. If you can find a more unique and interesting angle on it, or it's part of the set up to a different punchline, great. But just going "My dick looks like this" or "my vagina looks like that" is SO dull. The problem is that a lot of audiences still like that kind of stuff for whatever reason. Probably because they only watch comedy and remember "funny stories" rather than well crafted jokes or cause they want something easy to remember so they can repeat to their friends like it's a street joke.
A lot of us are also sick of identity humor. Hearing other perspectives and life experiences is great but when that's ALL you talk about, then we also find it very tiring. Comedy isn't like music. You can't hear the same thing over and over again and still enjoy it the same way. One of my friends is a trans comic and she has a lot of hilarious trans jokes, but she was smart enough to know that her act can't be focused on what she is rather than who she is so she makes it a point not to do exclusively trans material. You have to mix it up. You can't just be a one note performer
The thing is, these one note comics have always and will always exist. The problem is that they're getting highlighted by the industry for their identity rather than their skill or range. A lot of it is because of executives shining spotlight on comics with "identity personas" so they can check off they're diversity box. It's mostly due to laziness. Frankly speaking, stand up has more men than women so you have to look harder to find the good female comics, and executives are too lazy to do that so they'll give a shot to any female comic who brings extra attention to female issues so she checks that box for them and they can seem progressive when in actuality, they're lazy and could care less about the quality of the product or opening the door for a more talented comic. If you're a minority too, they already have a series for you in mind lmfao and god forbid you criticize any of their cooperate bs if you're a male cause then they just label you as a sexist and an incel when in actuality, we're saying that women deserve better/more talented comedians to represent them.
Regardless of what anyone thinks of Schumer, it's safe to say that most people don't think she should be held up as "one of the best female comics" and it's a shame people use her as a benchmark when there are SO many hilarious women out there. If you're looking for funny female stand ups, I'd recommend Rosebud Baker, Adrienne Iapalucci, Liz Miele, Michelle Wolf, Marina Franklin, Bonnie Macfarlane, Nikki Glaser (her stand up recently hasn't been great but her roasts are hilarious), Dina Hashem, Jessica Kirson, Aida Rodriguez, Lisa Lampanelli, and Ms Pat.
This was very insightful, also some british women comedian suggestions:
Holly Walsh
Sarah Milican
Sara Pascoe
Roisin Conaty
Sindhu Vee
Kerry Goldliman
LOVE ME ROSE BUD!!
& i agree, i saw Nikki’s standup recently & i was saddened bc it wasn’t that great, but YES her roasts are the best 😂
oh i would also like to add to the list, Krystyna Hutchinson & Corrine Fisher !
replying to boost this cuz it’s an interesting perspective. also who’s ur trans comic friend? does she have stuff online?
ADDING TO THE LIST!! aisling bea, hannah gadsby (who is genderqueer, but as far as I know does use she/her pronouns), and gina yashere!!
I just started watching your videos and this particular video just ensured that you will now be a staple subscription in my youtube feed for years
YESSSSS, agree. Going to a stand up comedy show in Melbourne feels like a lineup of people telling you "I'm a woman", "I'm LGBT", I'm X ethnicity. And all of the punchlines rely on stereotypes which I think is just lazy at most
i think this fails to acknowledge that women-identifying racial minorities don't often get the choice to be other than their identity. when you're financially forced to be marketable to a general yt public, they are confined to talk abt their gender, race, sexuality, etc. bc that's what is expected of them.
@@elainenguyen9509 That's true! There is also the argument that for people searching out comedians that belong to these groups, they need to have marketed themselves this way to be found :) Eg. if I'm looking for a female comedian, I have to search female comedian so they need to have branded themselves that way for people to find them
@@Illfection didn't watch the video yet, but am curious. Apart from women whe want to watch a female comedian. I dot. See much reason to search for "female" comedians. If you want females , pretty sure other shows would be better.
Wokeness? In my Melbourne?!
@@elainenguyen9509 Are you saying that white people want to hear about minority stuff? I'm sure some of them would, but not the majority of white people. The gabby hannah of the world have not exactly a mainstream audience.
“I think this could be a funny joke... if said by anyone else” was the first thing that made me laugh in this video.
While Lilly Singh has never appealed to my style of humor on RUclips or in general, I really think the writers for her late night show set her up for failure. Her intro automatically targeted a specific demographic of people which immediately turned off a large portion of viewers that she could have had. She’s always been a skit performer/writer instead of a live “host.” Her style of humor is intentionally for a specific audience, which is good for a TV show, not necessarily a late night talk show. While I think it’s important for women in comedy to stand out and showcase their presence in the industry by announcing that “they’re a woman”, I feel like it just emphasizes that we have “not been as funny” until now. There were so many great opening liners they could have given her to make her presence seem natural and intriguing for late night TV. Instead it just felt really forced and uncomfortable. Going for the “I’m a woman in comedy” bit is just overdone, and blindly makes the claim that men do it better when that truly is not the case.
Her entire show is based on the fact that she is a woman of color who is also bisexual and NOT an old straight white dude. Drew Gooden has a great video about her!!
she only had one joke during her whole youtube 2016 phase it got old quick and none of her other ones suck so she’s just unfunny
I mean… Might need citation for saying men don’t overall do it better. Not saying there aren’t also great stand up female comedians, but…. Someone has to do it better. Also her being a skit writer isn’t an excuse, Conan O’ Brien has the same background (used to write for shows like the Chris Rock show, along Louis CK). She’s just not funny, like most Comedians borne of the instagram comic era
US late night producers and programmers loathe women and especially funny women, historically
@@djandjb1 a citation 🧐🙄
18:50. B-But Carol Danvers has always been a woman. Captain Marvel is a legacy hero, there's been lots of them. God, I have to sit down, I'm gonna have an An-nerdism.
I’m so glad Taylor Tomlinson is getting the recognition she deserves I’ve been a fan of her since 2018
I hope she does more Netflix specials
I saw her this past year in Michigan and she was amazing!!!
Amy Schumer has some great concepts for jokes, I just find her execution is usually the part that falls flat. Often they're delivered weirdly or have way too much build up.
or she for whatever reason "randomly" references her vagina in the middle and ruins it.
And then sometimes she steals jokes and ruins them lmao
@@genopie2673 I honestly think that is not even the problem because I have seen Norm Macdonald do really old jokes and somehow got belly laughs, it is her tone and delivery and lack of creativity in the craft
"Really great concepts for jokes" "Haha i like to get stuffed with dick" yeah... great
I agree. It’s the delivery that is weak. I think she relies on the joke itself so much that she forgets that it only works if you give an actual performance.
So my takeaway is that a lot of mainstream female stand ups rely on joking about identities and using over the top vulgarity, obscenity, and general obnoxiousness in order to be picked up by influential companies and streaming services.
In other words, for a woman to make it in comedy, she must be like a teenage boy.
20:00 I have to assume she's talking about the original mulan not the live action remake because it does exactly what she's talking about.
I also have oral allergy syndrome and I’m glad it’s being talked about even as a punchline because nobody believed me for my whole life
same
She was telling a joke?! 😮 Damn, woman really aren't funny
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206 Jesus Christ dude get a life. Humor is a much broader category than your peabrain can handle
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206 imagine watching this whole video and having the balls to say this. wow.
Same! And people always give me weird looks when I tell them I actually can't eat a fresh apple or my whole oral cavity will swell up. Thermally processed fruit is alright though for some reason...
So at 1:02 you made a joke about Oral Allergy Syndrome and I briefly caught a few words that changed my life. I knew why I kept getting these weird reactions from fruits. Now I just went deep into this learning.
Thank you for your passing joke!
Dang thats cool
Yeah same!! I always felt bad for not eating certain fruits and that I was overreacting, that the itchiness and nausea was my fault somehow, but it's really refreshing to hear that it's something real!
Same, I don't personally have a lot of allergies but my mom does, she's allergic to many fruits, and pollen, and furry animals. Looking into OAS I found a website that talks about "cross-reacting foods" which puts things into groups and I realized one of them has everything my mom is allergic to (except animals) - birch, apples, plums, pears, almonds, hazelnuts.... all in the same group! This is really interesting!
There's also pfas. Where your body thinks you're actually eating certain pollen. If you have reactions to fruits along with veggies, soy, nuts etc
You may have PFAS. it's awful.
@@KreeZafiIf she really have problems with fruit,tell her to take d.i.z for 5,or 6 days
Tina Fey single-handedly won the argument of whether or not women can be funny. And she can make funny jokes about literally anything, because she showcases the natural absurdity of life, period.
She's a comedy writer and an actress not a stand-up comic.
i think the problem I notice is women in stand up that get shine aren’t the ones pointing out absurdities in life. Its the ones that mimic the same kind of hate wave that male comedians that have an exclusively make audience will do. It just turns into “meh i hate my bitch wife meh” inverted on itself. And it just comes off like a bitter person complaining as opposed to pointing out a funny observation. I think someone like Amy Poler is so much funnier because she actually makes those observations and her jokes have such a small margin for error with one attempt to get it right.
@@trentirvin2008what is your analysis of problems of male comedians?
@@MZBS639 if you read my response again you’ll see my criticism is the same, but female comedians that are actually good don’t get the shine in stand up
@@trentirvin2008 i understand. What i find hard to accept is the critique of women and minorities atm.for not beeing perfect, for not beeing better as their counterparts. They still have to prove themselves. I dont approve of that. Women or minorities have nothing to prove i.m.O . Im not on board with this current trend. Maybe my mind gets changed, maybe im already too old but im done taking responsibilities that arent mine.
That gabi woman not helping.
Your videos make me laugh out loud! You’re super talented and funny!
In general, when a comedian picks one thing and only talks about that. It gets old very fast.
When your whole act/identity is “my wife”, “I’m Asian”, “I’m Latino”, “I’m woman”, “sex funny haha”.
This is why I unironically prefer straight white male comedy.
@@akumpi They do the same thing.
@@akumpi they do the same exact thing but alr...
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Well that kinda is what a lot of stand-up is, telling people about your life and the funny or absurd situations they find themselves in, no doubt details are added to ramp things up and make it funnier
but a lot of comedians as they get older fewer things start happening to them and around them so the jokes become more and more repetitive, and they get upset and angry because they are losing there career, there passion any human would be angry but most of them seem to lash out and try and say some controversial shit to stir the pot
just my perspective
I wish people would stop labeling it as bad "insert gender" comedian, and just refer to them as bad comedians. I have watched quite a few comedy specials with my girlfriend and found plenty of guys to be unfunny too. Some comics just aren't that great. And even specifically with Amy, the first time I seen her was her "mostly sex stuff" special, and I actually thought it was funny. Then I seen the Inside Amy one and it was just...alright. Giggled like twice or so, but it was mostly the same as the first one, but worse. Then that awful Netflix one, where I didn't laugh a single time.
The problem with her is that she relies extremely heavily on 1 joke, and I don't care how good that joke is, if you are going to have multiple hour-long specials, you can't just be telling the same joke with slightly different wording over and over again. Another comedian I have listened to a ton is Dane Cook. I had like 5 of his comedies on my Zune (yea, I know nobody knows what that is. Its a thick Ipod lol) and while I admit that I LOVED those specials, 3 of them did have 1 or 2 jokes that were just slightly differently worded versions of other jokes from the other specials, and while I know a 3 minute joke in an hour long special isn't a big deal, my brain always latched onto that. I always thought to myself "oh that's right, its just this joke again" and immediately I found it less funny, and I think that's what happened with Amy. Even people who may have originally liked her, watched her more than once with the jokes just being basically the same, and she stopped being funny. Then her blaming everything on sexism only made it worse.
I used to have a zune. I loved it so much and it lasted so long. It died finally and that was the worst day ever. I miss my zune : /
@@BaStTiLo I feel that. It was a durable little thing as long as you didn't drop it hard enough for its harddrive to fall out of place lol, but still, at like half the price of an ipod with almost 6x the HDD space, I always preferred the Zune to other MP3 players.
I remember zunes. I always thought they were kinda a joke lol never actually met someone who owned one. BTW agree with all your points. Honestly, as GunnerTV pointed out in his newest video, some comics rely on the same set for years. Before social media it was really normal and very possible to do that. Now not so much.
i love the little smile in the corner it makes it look like amy schumer is on ifunny and that may be the funniest part of her whole career
That’s not the ifunny logo
thanks goldenfiberwheat238, what would we do without you.