as a student of history I've known of this story for yrs and this is a very good dramatization of the actual tragic events cruise deserves kudos for bringing it to a wider public ⚛
@@SedriqMiers No it isn't, if that were the case we wouldn't have propaganda films portraying the native Americans as peace-loving infallible heroes when they lost a billion wars in the last 500 years. History is written by anyone with a pen, maybe you could say that NARRATIVES are created by those in advantageous positions which may be gained through victory. However saying history is written by the victors is as lazy and ahistorical as saying history repeats itself.
@@kidfox3971 No, its definitely written by the victors and always has been. Even the greeks and romans realized and acknowledged that. Hence the reason the people in this film are being portrayed as good people with good motives. It completely leaves out the histories of those people, the kinds of people that were involved in the conspiracy - many of which were involved in mass murder and genocide themselves, and the actual intentions of everyone involved if the assassination had been successful (hint: they intended to keep hitlers territorial gains and have the west join them in exterminating the russians, a fact history books make a point of ignoring) Nobody involved in this was a good person, the only reason they even opposed hitler was because they knew the war was lost given the way things were going and were looking to avoid that outcome. But no, history calls them heroes because hitler bad but completely ignores everything they did and intended to do had they been successful
@@JS-wp4gsI was wondering if I was gonna find this message.. If not I was gonna write it.. You need to put this on main thread.. These men were trying to save their asses especially when they know for a fact paperwork shows they didn't plan on giving any land back. And the allies would never have accepted any negotiation that involved Germany suddenly becoming an ally and going after Russia... Germany started the war and those men were behind it in the beginning like you said nobody is being tricked by their false morals except for certain naive people.
Good reaction. I liked this movie. The German film "Stauffenberg" is very good too. I can't imagine the stress Stauffenberg must have been under walking around with a live bomb, not certain how much time he has, then going to a different conference room than he expected, and having to wait for a phone call that has to be well timed. Then he had to make his escape from the Wolf's Lair. I always wondered what would have happened if when he entered the conference, Hitler engaged him in conversation, or halted the conference and insisted Stauffenberg make his presentation.
When this movie was filmed, a moment of silence took place by the cast and crew in the square where the execution scene occured, for this was the spot where the actual executions took place. It took the German people a few years to realise that these men who tried to assinate Hitler were not traitors but heroes of Germany.
I went to Berlin over the summer, and one place we went to was the Resistance Museum, which included the place where Stauffenburg was executed. It’s very somber to stand in the exact spot where this near complete assassination attempt almost succeeded. It is also a very interesting that Tom Cruise looks eerily like Stauffenburg in the photos from the side.
Von Stauffenberg was a very religious Roman Catholic. His beliefs were a big part of his world view and why he was so against the murder of the Jews, Eastern Europeans etc.
This movie is so fantastic and historically accurate (except there's no German speaking). Tom Cruise nailed it for his portrayal of Claus von Stauffenberg.
The major historical inaccuracy is the ultimate goals of Stauffenberg and the intended usurpers. Stauffenberg's prepared offer of peace was an imperial one and likely would not have been accepted. The offer would have been to allow Germany to keep the vast majority of its conquests, keeping Alsace-Lorraine(the territories Germany took in its initial formation in the 1800's from France that spurred much of the German-Franco rivalry leading to the tensions prior to WW1 that France took back as part of the Treaty of Versailles), Austria, the Sudetenland and a bunch of Polish holdings. Agreeing to this would have still left mainland Europe under hegemonic German control for quite some time. And to be clear, this offer of peace would only be extended to the WESTERN Allied forces, which would allow Germany to wheel its full military might to halt the Russian advance. If the Western Allies had agreed to this, or, hell, since the Western Allies kinda hated Russia, if they JOINED this war against Russia, Germany would very likely reign supreme in Europe to this day.
Given director Bryan Singer, the movie is a bit naive about why some generals wanted to kill Hitler: Most officers had an elite-educated background, and years more military experience than Hitler, who had never risen above corporal-When it became clear that his strategies were becoming more unstable, and faced new losses, they realized that he was the biggest obstacle to negotiating a last-minute deal with England if necessary.
yes but afraid it was case of too little too late also don't know if negotiated surrender or peace would have prevented Russians from raping two million women in eastern germany way they did⚛
They called him “the little corporal” behind his back. To them he was of a lower class, uneducated & didn’t do anything special in the Great War so he didn’t deserve the attention and following he was getting. The Army, for the most part resisted him (as long as they could) There are Germans who joined the army because IT was the last place the Nazis hadn’t completely infiltrated.
When I was a young man in the early 1980’s I read a book Operation Valkerie by a French historian. He did a very good job of describing the events that led up to the attempt on Hitler’s life as shown in this movie. You did a great job on this reaction. Thank you and keep up the good work.
A bit late but Ill add something as well: After WW2 this movie portraits very well why Germany established completely new rules for it´s military. Today we have a "Staatsbürger in Uniform" meaning a Citizen in uniform. What that means is that you´re primal supreme commander is your conscience and the Grundgesetz(the German constitution where §1 says: "The dignity of human kind is untouchable")..any order given that goes against those is to be ignored and even you will not be punished if you go with your conscience against illegal orders. Nowadays our military police and intelligence is working real hard to fight of any Nazi tendencies in the armed forces even though there are always some because the military is the mirror of the society just like they imagined it 70 y ago.
Kenneth Branagh is also in Conspiracy (2001) which dramatises the 1942 Wannsee Conference at which Nazi officials discuss the "Final Solution". It uses the authentic script taken from the only surviving transcript recorded during the meeting. It's a difficult but very interesting movie, and the acting is superior.
What a tense and tragic story -- and the fact that it's based on true events is so much more compelling. This is one of Tom Cruise's best films in my opinion. Thanks for reacting! What's next?
I've read quite a lot autobiografies from German officers (Knocke, Gallant Strachwitz, Carius, Rudel) There's a lot pondering abour your oath as officer. Where your duty lies. I mean its easy to say well obviously should done same. There were supporters what war made realize mistake, people who would not renounce ideology even after war, people who would serve because family had served in armies for hundreds of years, even as far as Crusades the rulers of the land and others who joined not because of ideology but after first allied bombs hit german cities. They go far depending on writer. But this film is great. They take artistic liberties but as much as things to happen, this is surprisingly accurate with stellar cast. After I made my military oath, it kinda made me think how I would have reacted if I would have served army, made oath and during that time megalomaniac dictator would take over. Clear answer came much more muddier and shades became grey. When you wear uniuform and you have take oath to protect home and country, the threshold to betray that, regardless of government is, is extremely high.
Ahhh Marian...such a heartfelt response. Please don't apologize for your feelings. I agree...if we know better hen let's do better. And along the way let's try to care about each other instead of tearing people down...then maybe just maybe we, humans, will be worthy of this beautiful planet. Joy...first time I saw this movie I was like you...never crossed my mind that there were germans and german soldiers resistant to Hitler. I never thought about it, so this movie is very important for that exact reason alone if not many other reasons. One of my favorite grad-school friends was a woman from Germany and is to this day my go-to person to ask those uncomfortable type of questions about WW2 and Germany's recovery. Thank you both for the great reaction. Much love from Oregon.😊💚
40:00 "this is actually what separates us from being animals." I could not have found a better analogy. Great reaction, I did not know of this coup as well until I saw the movie. Cheers!
They simplified parts of the real story and in reality there was no attempt to oust Stauffenberg. But there had been many discussions, if their oath to Hitler allowed them to murder him. Some had serious doubts about this. But in the end, after so many attempts of killing him had failed, most of the people in the resistance did know, that it was secondary if the coup would be successful, they had to try for the sake of a Germany after the Nazis. The main flaw of the coup was, that Stauffenberg was the head of the operation and the only one who had access to Hitler at that point. So he wasn't allowed to take his ohne life by the attempt to kill Hitler, something he would have been willing to do. The coup had a little chance to succeed if the officers in Berlin had reacted faster and dind't waited til Stauffenberg returned to Berlin. They lost haours and hours and when Stauffenberg gave the go, back in Berlin it was nearly hopeless to would have success. Only in one city the coup was completley successful: Paris The General of the Wehrmacht in Paris did successfully imprisoned all relevant SS and GESTAPO guys (1200 people) and had full control over the city. But after the coup failed in Berlin, he declared all of his actions as a training mission and had luck, that nobody rated him out. His boss, General Stülpnagel, the comander in chief for France did try to commit suicide but was saved and later on hanged. The resistance was dead after the failed Operation Walküre and mehr people died in the last 10 mounth of the second World War than in the nearly 5 years before. Only the members of resistance cought on the first day, were shot, all others were imprissoned, tourtured and did stand before a show trial, where the worst Nazi justice mocked them and sreamed at them. All of them were hanged, some of them, like Admiral Canaris only a few days before the end of the war. The young West-German repbulic after the war, had great difficulties to come to terms with the people of the 20th of July, because a lot of veterans of the army hated the resistance. A lot of them maybe, because they hadn't had the courage to act in that way? It took nearly 10 years til the country honered them. When the German army was rebuild, 1955, because the NATO members thought, that they couldnt face the USSR without the Germans, the new army was seeking for rolemodels and the found them in the soldiers of the resitance. Nowadays they are seen as the heroes they had been.
The scene with Tom Cruise in the same room with Hitler and the Nazi High Command is very intense. Without a doubt one of Tom Cruise's greatest movies. Thank you Marian for expressing your views on life. One of the hardest things in life is to except is without suffering there wouldn't be any compassion.
What makes the ending so much more impactful is that they filmed it in the actual courtyard where those men were executed. The reason why they had that sand wall up was because it was covering the shire that was erected to their memory. At the exact spot where they were shot.
wouldn't be surprised if there is one now but if anyone wants to take him out they'd better do a lot better planing than cruise and company did in film putin is super-paranoid and even better protected than hitler was⚛
On paper it does with rosgvardia, 340k fictional men, that is the internal forces to protect putler. But most of this force have already been sent to Ukraine. So a "Valkyrie" or a mutiny can likely happen if parts of the ruSSian army get enough of their leadership in moscow and does a wagner run. or the FSB..
Crazy-good movie, really sad it ended the way it did but these men would have been happy to know that their country and the freedom of the world was accomplished. 👏👏👏
Nice film choice and reaction. I especially appreciate Marion's commentary (bearing his soul), I hear you and feel you. Keep seeking truth and you will find God. BTW, in that same courtyard where the conspirators were executed there now stands a memorial with all their names listed, they are not forgotten. God bless you both and your family.
It sad knowing that the families of the people involved in Valkyrie were seen as traitors too and treated poorly even after the war was won. There is a documentary where the the children now grown up tell their experience growing up in Germany.
The Backbone of Allied Forces, were men, from 'British Indian Army', Today know as the 'Indian Army'!!.. The Majority of fight brunt, on West side of 'Germany', was taken by British Indian Army, and, on the east by 'Red Army' (Russians). With, all that's been said, don't take me for my word. But, you can check, the war archive/records/documents, by/for yourself!!.. Thanks 👍😊!!..
Hi mates, try to watch (if you like and not seen till now) these other war movies Der Untergang (Downfall) and Wołyń (Hatred)...but the second one is really brutal and quite actual in connection whit current situation on Ukraine.
This movie was made by the crew of the X-Men movies (X-Men, X2: X-Men United, X-Men: Days of Future Past). Singer (director), McQuarrie (writer), Ottman (editor/composer), N Thomas Sigel (cinematographer). Speaking of X-Men, when will you be going back to that series. I think your last video was from X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
@@FrankOdonnell-ej3hd You should google The Usual Suspects, Apt Pupil, and Bohemian Rhapsody. Nevermind that X-Men, X2 and Days of Future Past received rave reviews critics and fans alike.
23:47 “confirmation, confirmation!” That actually reminds me of a certain other film, “Tora Tora Tora!” You guys should totally react to it when you get a chance. Only one other channel has done it.
I don’t understand the hesitation about initiating Valkyrie after the bomb went off. It made no sense to wait, because there was always the possibility of overthrowing Hitler. There was no going back.
It wasnt solely Germany that conquered Europe. Germany had many allies, weak allies, but the pro-Germany countries sent many volunteers. Especially the countries under occupation sent a lot of foreign legions like France, Netherlands but Romania was the biggest supporter of Germany in man power.
The Valkyrie conspirators attempted to assassinate Adolf Hitler in July 1944, a month after D-day in June 1944 when Allied Forces landed at Normany in France... Sensing that the Axis would eventually lose w/ most of Europe being decimated from the onslaught of Allied Forces, the Valkyrie conspirators hoped that the coup attempt would seize power over the German forces and they could withdraw from occupied countries and reach a peaceful accord w/ the Allied Forces. The coup attempt failed and the conspirators were all executed after Hitler survived by mere inches... Allied Forces took a year (1944 to 1945) before Soviet forces reached Berlin and found Hitler had apparently taken his own life (It took weeks for Berlin to fall) As a result, millions of lives were lost (soldiers and civilians) between the failure of the coup in 1944 to the fall of Berlin in 1945.
Very moving to see Marion break and it shows his true kind heart and innocent soul, but I have to say I find it worrying he is convinced even the most wicked people can be changed and become a trusthworthy, decent citizen again. The evidence contradicting that statement is mindblowingly overwhelming Marion.
Am I going nuts or did someone else also remember a different execution of Stauffenberg in this movie? One in daylight and him yelling the same ‘‘Long life sacred Germany’’ line, while raising his right arm before he gets shot. #MandelaEffect
I wished the 20 July ‘44 plot was a success. Imagine how strong German democracy can be from the moment it’s brought back from the dead with a vengeance after 12 years of Nazi dictatorship. The Western European front of WWII would’ve ended much earlier had the assassination (and operation Valkyrie overall) been a success. Germany would’ve then joined forces with the British, Americans, Canadians, Australians, French, factions of the Soviets etc to take down the Japanese Empire (former “ally” of Germany) and what’s left of Fascist Italy. Oskar Schindler, Hans Muench, John Rabe, the Bielski brothers and other heroes that emerged in the Holocaust/WWII for their roles in saving innocent lives - helping them escape unscathed so that generations will live to tell the tale - would marvel and lead by example from the German anti-Nazi resistance movement (same goes for other resistance movements/freedom fighters). While I’m upset that it failed, I’m still happy that Adolf Hitler got what he deserved - opting out like the cowardly joke he was from the moment he arrived into the German society and gave the German people a bad name. Still happy that Germany (in particular the Bundeswehr - modern German armed forces) today still recognises the Valkyrie team as the shining example of German heroism, humanity and patriotism. P.S. Hitler’s inner circle that were in the Berghof tea scene were Schutzstaffel/SS supreme commander Heinrich Himmler, propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels, air force commander Herman Goering, architect and armament manufacturer Albert Speer, Hitler’s secretary Martin Bormann and field marshal Wilhelm Kietel
THE DEFINITION OF LOVE: "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." Romans 5:1-11. Also John 3:16-17. ebible.org/study/ The Gospel in One Minute: ruclips.net/video/K6wcW3ZTrm8/видео.html
What the movie doesn't mention (probably because its not sexy) os that Hitler always demanded quality, so his table was made of very thick, solid wood. This is part of what saved him in this attack.
Gandhi? Funny you bring it up cause Hitler and Gandhi were in letter correspondence at one time because they both had a common enemy: the British Empire.
I look forward to your reaction.. That's the way it is.. It's always important to look deep into history to really understand things.. Like for example that not all Germans followed Hitler because of his ideology.. The Germans followed Hitler because they had no food, drink or money due to the Allies and the Versailles Treaty. It's always difficult. There's really no such thing as black and white. Even an angry mustache man, who was a horrible person, said right things in many speeches.. That was the trick.. To lure the Germans in. And when times are tough, you don't question. There is a super charismatic person who promises you a way out of the crisis.. And actually helped the Germans in the beginning.. I mean Hitler annexed Austria and many other Germanic country's without conflict.. Of course people thought he was a great leader.. He gave them food, jobs and water. When many Germans woke up, it was already too late.. Now it's accept the Führer or send to a concentration camp. And as I said many Germans were happy with Hitler.. Remember they had great propaganda and they helped.. So it took really long for the Germans to realize that he was a madman. At the end of the War, many high German generals, who hated the Waffen SS and the horrible war crimes of the Nazis, wanted to kill Hitler and almost succeeded. The legend behind operation Valkyrie was Stauffenberg. Who was a descendant of the old good Prussians and was of Christian origin. Is still called a real German soldier from the good empire. But the Nazis persecuted Christians, which Stauffenberg didn't like at all.. A German oak table saved Hitler. That's a running joke here in Germany, at least for old Germans and not modern blinded ones who take everything too seriously, the hard German oak and German craftsmanship art saved hitler.. Had that been another table, hitler would have blown up completely, for Example from the Americans, I'm just kidding. Even the legendary German general Erwin Rommel or even Wüstenfuchs didn't really like Hitler. He was an incredible general at the wrong time. Eventually he was forced to commit suicide by the Nazis, which was a last major act by a general since he just spoke out against the Nazis. To show how incredible Rommel was, all you have to do is know his thoughts on D-day. Rommel was betting heavily on the Allies landing in Normandy and devised a completely sick defense plan as he felt the Allies should not be allowed to land on the land or it would be over. in the end he was right about everything. But Hitler, with his madness, and many other loyal high command generals did not listen to him. Rommel alone had completely foreseen D-Day. Along with the general who invented Blitz Krieg, the Wehrmacht was unstoppable.
Your tears do you honor, sir. To eat fish and meat is one thing, so long as the animals are treated humanely, but treating them inhumanely or even worse, to abandon pets is horrific and inexcusable.
The cruelty of mankind, the evidence of evil is, ironically, one of the main signposts that good exists, and God. Especially when that cruelty or evil originates from one's self, one's thoughts and actions. Once you recognize the evil, you can't deny that the opposite exists, that Justice exists, without also sacrificing that part of your mind that processed and recognized that evil, and can separate between selfishness and selflessness, between cruelty and charity, wrong and right. It's not all there is on the path to God, and by itself it doesn't guarantee that path for all, but it is a significant part I think. Natural revelation. Which is why materialism, the seedbed of Communism and the soil for the bloodiest century - the 20th - had to work overtime to erase and rewrite that recognition for decades, before and after totalitarian regimes gained power. Nihilism doesn't lead to a true understanding of the natural, human, or philosophical world - if anything it leaves one open to _anything_ besides rationality... so long as it serves one's immediate interests. This is why you get such Utopian thoughts from idealists like Nechayev who would (and did) murder his own friends in the name of Revolution. It's what ideologically allowed Internal State Security agents to employ informers, break into homes, whip up cases against millions of their own countrymen, _torture_... for decades... and sleep soundly at night. _"You today, me tomorrow."_ Dostoyevsky said "Intelligence hides and twists," largely for its own gain, and this was before he could live to see how that would pan out for his own country later on. I'd add a bit of (I think) C.S. Lewis and Socrates to that: Half knowledge and a little philosophy spoils the mind into thinking it knows enough when it in fact knows nothing; continued and fuller knowledge while seeking in good faith makes one humble about what one does not know, and leads one closer to empathy, limits, and to recognizing God.
not sure I agree with a lot of that sounds little like old cliche when a person stops believing in god they can end up believing in anything many people convinced of ultimate meaningless of life are perfectly happy skeptical of all ideology and feel no need to dominate are hurt others⚛
@@FrankOdonnell-ej3hd Which sort of proves my point about needing to actually witness evil up close and personal, to the point of seeing it in one's self. Otherwise it becomes "No problems here, I'm perfectly alright as an island." Which inevitably tends towards "I'm perfect the way I am!" Which is arrogant, and tends towards hubris. Or alcoholism and addiction once reality proves otherwise, just based on anecdotal evidence. Again, Socrates' half-knowledge and convenient skepticism being worse than knowing one is ignorant of anything beyond their own prejudices (self-skepticism).
In five years, in 1949, the democratic Adenauer government would come to power. The Adenauer government would be in office until 1963 and would significantly shape Germany's state structure until the present day. The Federal Republic of Germany, as the successor to the previous National Socialist Germany under Adolf Hitler, rehabilitated in its name the men and women of July 20, 1944.
This film misses one important factor from beginning to end. What kind of Germany the conspirators wanted. The answer is that they wanted a return to the military-led government typical of Germany before, during and for a time after WWII, when they were young men. Stauffenberg hoped for better in his surviving papers and diaries, but it wasn't until the Nazis had been rooted out, and Germany had become a fully democratic state again (which took years), that a peaceful Germany existed. If the Nazis had a lasting effect, it's that Germany became a truly united West Germany and not a set of separate states, and an East Germany under the Soviets. It took decades more before Germany was reunited and democratic, since when she is now allowed to get involved in United Nations and NATO military operations.
Two freaking countries nailed. Because Soviet Union was the ally of Nazi Germany for almost 2 years. They shared Europeand Soviet Union kept sending to Germany wheapons and food (Soviets have done it also before)
The Germans and soviets were not allies. The molotov Ribbentrop pact was a non-aggression pact good for 10 years because they new hitler was going to start a war and they were in a bad spot at the time. They never teamed up or were allies.
I didn't understand this movie when i was very young at the time But always felt it was a important movie while watching it.I guess i have to watch it again.
Obviously hardcore nazis existed. There were a lot of them. But just because you were an officer or soldier in germany, definitely doesnt mean you were a nazi.
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Don't let think film make you think *too* highly of those involved in the July Plot, they may have been anti-Nazi but that's only because they were beginning to lose the war. As for those who were against it for moral reasons, they weren't against continuing the war until the Allies allowed them to keep some of their conquests. They were Prussians more than they were anti-Nazi, just as the last German Emperor hated Nazism but approved of the German conquests of Poland and France.
Nice to know; Stauffenberg and the 20. Juli is a corner stone of todays German Army the Bundeswehr. So that the German Army will never be a tool of evil again. The HQ of Operation Valkyre, the Bendlerblock, is the seat of the German Federal Ministry of Defence and the 20. Juli is one of the big days for the Bundeswehr. Every year a solemnly pledge of recruits is held in the Bendlerblock, to reminde the day and spirit.
Most of them didn't especially care about the regime's crimes, except insofar as amplifying their own personal, career, and military doctrine grievances. They were more or less on board with most of what the Nazis did until it started causing battlefield defeats and senior military commanders being disrespected or ignored. But optimistically, maybe the act of resisting enlightened some of them.
Most of the people involved in the assassination were directly involved in the regimes crimes in some way. They were not anti nazi, they were anti losing the war and wanted the west to help them defeat the russians. They legitimately thought that the west would see russia as the greater threat, ignore everything germany did, let them keep their war gains and kill off the russians to halt the spread of communism. Ironic considering hitler claimed the very same thing would happen while he was sitting in the bunker hoping for a miracle to end the war in his favor. The only thing they were right about was the west and russia were not allies and that it was very much an enemy of my enemy situation which ended very quickly after germany was defeated
There is a german dokumentary which call the devil's luck. Its a story about over 40 attacks agains Adolf Hitler and his circle. (The once attapch against a a Nazileader who work was against the general of police Reinhard heydrich. 13 minutes (german name is 'Georg Elser- he would change the world') is another good Movie. Its about the assassin Georg Elser who was a small worker from south Germany. But he hates Hitler so extrem that decide to kill Hitler. He put a Bomb in the 'Bürgerbräukeller' at the November 1939 while hitler giving a speech.
Goebbels was the minister of propaganda and Himmler was the "architect of the Holocaust." This is one of the few films that makes me proud of the human race. To know that there were those who resisted, and gave everything to destroy all that Hitler stood for. I'd like to believe I'd be willing to sacrifice myself to try and stop Hitler. If I was younger, I'd say I probably would have been indoctrinated and deluded into becoming a Hitler Youth. Now that I'm older, more determined, more comfortable in my own skin, my knowledge, my awareness.. I think I'd be more inclined to resist. Then again, don't we all. The world is full of hopefuls, but we must recognize the majority of us would probably submit, as many Germans did themselves - out of fear for our lives. It's a shame that this fear has been instilled in society much more prevalently. Just look at capitalism, and how the awareness of everyone about the suffering capitalism causes has skyrocketed. Everyone knows it's vile and malicious. If it was a person, it's killed more people than Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Un and Il combined. Everyone knows it's this bad, but few stand up against the powers that be to face them down.
absolutely right about evils of capitalism don't know if it and colonialism has killed that many but probably not far off and yes talk is cheap and you can't know what you'll do when faced by certain real-life threats and dangers⚛
The Nazis left the socialist party in Germany, then proceeded to murder leftists once they gained power. Fascism, both in Germany and in our own country today, is a rightwing movement. The Nazis weren’t socialists. They were rightwing fascists and opposed the liberal democratic Weimar Republic.
yes they weren't conservative but it's equally dumb to call them liberal think they used the word socialist in party name cause it was very popular term in europe back then but they believed in supremacy of the state just like soviets under stalin⚛
They were conservative. Their entire ideology was reactionary right. Wtf are you talking about?! I have a political science degree and anyone who even took the course would tell you how wrong you are. I think you’re right wing and you have a soft spot for the nazis so you blame the bad things without any knowledge on the subject, on “liberals” or the left in general. What a clown you are.
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as a student of history I've known of this story for yrs and this is a very good dramatization of the actual tragic events cruise deserves kudos for bringing it to a wider public ⚛
History is written by the victors.
@@SedriqMiers No it isn't, if that were the case we wouldn't have propaganda films portraying the native Americans as peace-loving infallible heroes when they lost a billion wars in the last 500 years. History is written by anyone with a pen, maybe you could say that NARRATIVES are created by those in advantageous positions which may be gained through victory. However saying history is written by the victors is as lazy and ahistorical as saying history repeats itself.
@@kidfox3971 If anything, losing wars for the past 500 years in martyrdom reinforces the stereotype that they were peace-loving infallible heroes.
@@kidfox3971 No, its definitely written by the victors and always has been. Even the greeks and romans realized and acknowledged that. Hence the reason the people in this film are being portrayed as good people with good motives. It completely leaves out the histories of those people, the kinds of people that were involved in the conspiracy - many of which were involved in mass murder and genocide themselves, and the actual intentions of everyone involved if the assassination had been successful (hint: they intended to keep hitlers territorial gains and have the west join them in exterminating the russians, a fact history books make a point of ignoring)
Nobody involved in this was a good person, the only reason they even opposed hitler was because they knew the war was lost given the way things were going and were looking to avoid that outcome. But no, history calls them heroes because hitler bad but completely ignores everything they did and intended to do had they been successful
@@JS-wp4gsI was wondering if I was gonna find this message.. If not I was gonna write it.. You need to put this on main thread.. These men were trying to save their asses especially when they know for a fact paperwork shows they didn't plan on giving any land back. And the allies would never have accepted any negotiation that involved Germany suddenly becoming an ally and going after Russia... Germany started the war and those men were behind it in the beginning like you said nobody is being tricked by their false morals except for certain naive people.
Good reaction. I liked this movie. The German film "Stauffenberg" is very good too. I can't imagine the stress Stauffenberg must have been under walking around with a live bomb, not certain how much time he has, then going to a different conference room than he expected, and having to wait for a phone call that has to be well timed. Then he had to make his escape from the Wolf's Lair. I always wondered what would have happened if when he entered the conference, Hitler engaged him in conversation, or halted the conference and insisted Stauffenberg make his presentation.
When this movie was filmed, a moment of silence took place by the cast and crew in the square where the execution scene occured, for this was the spot where the actual executions took place. It took the German people a few years to realise that these men who tried to assinate Hitler were not traitors but heroes of Germany.
I went to Berlin over the summer, and one place we went to was the Resistance Museum, which included the place where Stauffenburg was executed. It’s very somber to stand in the exact spot where this near complete assassination attempt almost succeeded. It is also a very interesting that Tom Cruise looks eerily like Stauffenburg in the photos from the side.
the chronology of the attempt is historically reconstructed in a very accurate way
Von Stauffenberg was a very religious Roman Catholic. His beliefs were a big part of his world view and why he was so against the murder of the Jews, Eastern Europeans etc.
He wasnt untill north africa .... i like the guy but he was devoted to that Austrian untill then
He actually hated Poles
@@somebodytoknow7408 well that aint racist just sterotypical
The adjudant helping to pack the contreau bottle at the beginning is Staffenberg's real-life grandson.
This movie is so fantastic and historically accurate (except there's no German speaking). Tom Cruise nailed it for his portrayal of Claus von Stauffenberg.
It's kinda wierd that there is no one speaking german even tho there are german actors in the movie
The major historical inaccuracy is the ultimate goals of Stauffenberg and the intended usurpers.
Stauffenberg's prepared offer of peace was an imperial one and likely would not have been accepted. The offer would have been to allow Germany to keep the vast majority of its conquests, keeping Alsace-Lorraine(the territories Germany took in its initial formation in the 1800's from France that spurred much of the German-Franco rivalry leading to the tensions prior to WW1 that France took back as part of the Treaty of Versailles), Austria, the Sudetenland and a bunch of Polish holdings. Agreeing to this would have still left mainland Europe under hegemonic German control for quite some time.
And to be clear, this offer of peace would only be extended to the WESTERN Allied forces, which would allow Germany to wheel its full military might to halt the Russian advance. If the Western Allies had agreed to this, or, hell, since the Western Allies kinda hated Russia, if they JOINED this war against Russia, Germany would very likely reign supreme in Europe to this day.
Given director Bryan Singer, the movie is a bit naive about why some generals wanted to kill Hitler:
Most officers had an elite-educated background, and years more military experience than Hitler, who had never risen above corporal-When it became clear that his strategies were becoming more unstable, and faced new losses, they realized that he was the biggest obstacle to negotiating a last-minute deal with England if necessary.
yes but afraid it was case of too little too late also don't know if negotiated surrender or peace would have prevented Russians from raping two million women in eastern germany way they did⚛
They called him “the little corporal” behind his back. To them he was of a lower class, uneducated & didn’t do anything special in the Great War so he didn’t deserve the attention and following he was getting.
The Army, for the most part resisted him (as long as they could)
There are Germans who joined the army because IT was the last place the Nazis hadn’t completely infiltrated.
I don't think I've ever seen Mrion tear up like that before. Touched my heart.
When I was a young man in the early 1980’s I read a book Operation Valkerie by a French historian. He did a very good job of describing the events that led up to the attempt on Hitler’s life as shown in this movie. You did a great job on this reaction. Thank you and keep up the good work.
A bit late but Ill add something as well: After WW2 this movie portraits very well why Germany established completely new rules for it´s military. Today we have a "Staatsbürger in Uniform" meaning a Citizen in uniform. What that means is that you´re primal supreme commander is your conscience and the Grundgesetz(the German constitution where §1 says: "The dignity of human kind is untouchable")..any order given that goes against those is to be ignored and even you will not be punished if you go with your conscience against illegal orders. Nowadays our military police and intelligence is working real hard to fight of any Nazi tendencies in the armed forces even though there are always some because the military is the mirror of the society just like they imagined it 70 y ago.
The world could use more Marions in it. I enjoy your reactions.
This movie is the gem, needs more attention. Thank you.
Kenneth Branagh is also in Conspiracy (2001) which dramatises the 1942 Wannsee Conference at which Nazi officials discuss the "Final Solution". It uses the authentic script taken from the only surviving transcript recorded during the meeting. It's a difficult but very interesting movie, and the acting is superior.
right it felt so good to see Heydrich who led the the conference die a slow agonizing death after being blown up by Czech partisans in film I saw⚛
What a tense and tragic story -- and the fact that it's based on true events is so much more compelling. This is one of Tom Cruise's best films in my opinion. Thanks for reacting!
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Great reaction guys, really felt the heartfelt summary from Marian
I've read quite a lot autobiografies from German officers (Knocke, Gallant Strachwitz, Carius, Rudel) There's a lot pondering abour your oath as officer. Where your duty lies. I mean its easy to say well obviously should done same. There were supporters what war made realize mistake, people who would not renounce ideology even after war, people who would serve because family had served in armies for hundreds of years, even as far as Crusades the rulers of the land and others who joined not because of ideology but after first allied bombs hit german cities. They go far depending on writer. But this film is great. They take artistic liberties but as much as things to happen, this is surprisingly accurate with stellar cast.
After I made my military oath, it kinda made me think how I would have reacted if I would have served army, made oath and during that time megalomaniac dictator would take over. Clear answer came much more muddier and shades became grey. When you wear uniuform and you have take oath to protect home and country, the threshold to betray that, regardless of government is, is extremely high.
Ahhh Marian...such a heartfelt response. Please don't apologize for your feelings.
I agree...if we know better hen let's do better. And along the way let's try to care about each other instead of tearing people down...then maybe just maybe we, humans, will be worthy of this beautiful planet.
Joy...first time I saw this movie I was like you...never crossed my mind that there were germans and german soldiers resistant to Hitler. I never thought about it, so this movie is very important for that exact reason alone if not many other reasons. One of my favorite grad-school friends was a woman from Germany and is to this day my go-to person to ask those uncomfortable type of questions about WW2 and Germany's recovery.
Thank you both for the great reaction.
Much love from Oregon.😊💚
40:00 "this is actually what separates us from being animals." I could not have found a better analogy. Great reaction, I did not know of this coup as well until I saw the movie. Cheers!
Masterpiece ever.
They simplified parts of the real story and in reality there was no attempt to oust Stauffenberg. But there had been many discussions, if their oath to Hitler allowed them to murder him. Some had serious doubts about this. But in the end, after so many attempts of killing him had failed, most of the people in the resistance did know, that it was secondary if the coup would be successful, they had to try for the sake of a Germany after the Nazis. The main flaw of the coup was, that Stauffenberg was the head of the operation and the only one who had access to Hitler at that point. So he wasn't allowed to take his ohne life by the attempt to kill Hitler, something he would have been willing to do. The coup had a little chance to succeed if the officers in Berlin had reacted faster and dind't waited til Stauffenberg returned to Berlin. They lost haours and hours and when Stauffenberg gave the go, back in Berlin it was nearly hopeless to would have success. Only in one city the coup was completley successful: Paris The General of the Wehrmacht in Paris did successfully imprisoned all relevant SS and GESTAPO guys (1200 people) and had full control over the city. But after the coup failed in Berlin, he declared all of his actions as a training mission and had luck, that nobody rated him out. His boss, General Stülpnagel, the comander in chief for France did try to commit suicide but was saved and later on hanged. The resistance was dead after the failed Operation Walküre and mehr people died in the last 10 mounth of the second World War than in the nearly 5 years before. Only the members of resistance cought on the first day, were shot, all others were imprissoned, tourtured and did stand before a show trial, where the worst Nazi justice mocked them and sreamed at them. All of them were hanged, some of them, like Admiral Canaris only a few days before the end of the war.
The young West-German repbulic after the war, had great difficulties to come to terms with the people of the 20th of July, because a lot of veterans of the army hated the resistance. A lot of them maybe, because they hadn't had the courage to act in that way? It took nearly 10 years til the country honered them. When the German army was rebuild, 1955, because the NATO members thought, that they couldnt face the USSR without the Germans, the new army was seeking for rolemodels and the found them in the soldiers of the resitance. Nowadays they are seen as the heroes they had been.
The scene with Tom Cruise in the same room with Hitler and the Nazi High Command is very intense. Without a doubt one of Tom Cruise's greatest movies. Thank you Marian for expressing your views on life. One of the hardest things in life is to except is without suffering there wouldn't be any compassion.
It's only natural you'll do Downfall next.
What makes the ending so much more impactful is that they filmed it in the actual courtyard where those men were executed. The reason why they had that sand wall up was because it was covering the shire that was erected to their memory. At the exact spot where they were shot.
That was a good reaction..especially from Joy…the bomb attempt on Hitler was July 1944 just a month after the allies invasion of Normandy France..
yes love how involved and emotional they get!⚛
"Downfall" -great movie about Hitler's last days. Consider reacting.
yes loved it despite subject matter⚛
Just to be clear, its not that they had that much support, its just that those people thought Hitler was dead.
Гадаю, багато із них хотіли думати, що він мертвий.
I hope there is a Valkyrie like plan in Russia...
wouldn't be surprised if there is one now but if anyone wants to take him out they'd better do a lot better planing than cruise and company did in film putin is super-paranoid and even better protected than hitler was⚛
On paper it does with rosgvardia, 340k fictional men, that is the internal forces to protect putler. But most of this force have already been sent to Ukraine. So a "Valkyrie" or a mutiny can likely happen if parts of the ruSSian army get enough of their leadership in moscow and does a wagner run. or the FSB..
Great movie choice :) glad somebody reacting to it 😊👍
Crazy-good movie, really sad it ended the way it did but these men would have been happy to know that their country and the freedom of the world was accomplished. 👏👏👏
This is one of the few films where Tom Cruise's character dies.
Great Pick, that is the place in Band Of Brothers.
Nice film choice and reaction. I especially appreciate Marion's commentary (bearing his soul), I hear you and feel you. Keep seeking truth and you will find God. BTW, in that same courtyard where the conspirators were executed there now stands a memorial with all their names listed, they are not forgotten. God bless you both and your family.
Best reaction 👍
Great movie!
It sad knowing that the families of the people involved in Valkyrie were seen as traitors too and treated poorly even after the war was won. There is a documentary where the the children now grown up tell their experience growing up in Germany.
You should watch Downfall after this
absolutely most riveting and accurate film about hitler's last days much better than earlier one⚛
Awesome! Thanks for reacting to this movie!
The Backbone of Allied Forces, were men, from 'British Indian Army', Today know as the 'Indian Army'!!..
The Majority of fight brunt, on West side of 'Germany', was taken by British Indian Army, and, on the east by 'Red Army' (Russians).
With, all that's been said, don't take me for my word. But, you can check, the war archive/records/documents, by/for yourself!!..
Thanks 👍😊!!..
35:54 LONG LIVE SACRED GERMANY !!! 🇩🇪
Love this movie!
Hi mates, try to watch (if you like and not seen till now) these other war movies Der Untergang (Downfall) and Wołyń (Hatred)...but the second one is really brutal and quite actual in connection whit current situation on Ukraine.
This movie was made by the crew of the X-Men movies (X-Men, X2: X-Men United, X-Men: Days of Future Past).
Singer (director), McQuarrie (writer), Ottman (editor/composer), N Thomas Sigel (cinematographer).
Speaking of X-Men, when will you be going back to that series. I think your last video was from X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
at least those guys did something worthwhile instead of just making more idiotic comic-book superhero films⚛
@@FrankOdonnell-ej3hd You should google The Usual Suspects, Apt Pupil, and Bohemian Rhapsody. Nevermind that X-Men, X2 and Days of Future Past received rave reviews critics and fans alike.
A great underrated film.
23:47 “confirmation, confirmation!” That actually reminds me of a certain other film, “Tora Tora Tora!” You guys should totally react to it when you get a chance. Only one other channel has done it.
One of my all time favourite movies..❤
I don’t understand the hesitation about initiating Valkyrie after the bomb went off. It made no sense to wait, because there was always the possibility of overthrowing Hitler. There was no going back.
It wasnt solely Germany that conquered Europe. Germany had many allies, weak allies, but the pro-Germany countries sent many volunteers. Especially the countries under occupation sent a lot of foreign legions like France, Netherlands but Romania was the biggest supporter of Germany in man power.
The Valkyrie conspirators attempted to assassinate Adolf Hitler in July 1944, a month after D-day in June 1944 when Allied Forces landed at Normany in France... Sensing that the Axis would eventually lose w/ most of Europe being decimated from the onslaught of Allied Forces, the Valkyrie conspirators hoped that the coup attempt would seize power over the German forces and they could withdraw from occupied countries and reach a peaceful accord w/ the Allied Forces.
The coup attempt failed and the conspirators were all executed after Hitler survived by mere inches... Allied Forces took a year (1944 to 1945) before Soviet forces reached Berlin and found Hitler had apparently taken his own life (It took weeks for Berlin to fall)
As a result, millions of lives were lost (soldiers and civilians) between the failure of the coup in 1944 to the fall of Berlin in 1945.
Very moving to see Marion break and it shows his true kind heart and innocent soul, but I have to say I find it worrying he is convinced even the most wicked people can be changed and become a trusthworthy, decent citizen again. The evidence contradicting that statement is mindblowingly overwhelming Marion.
31:10 😮😮
“ do you recognize my voice?.”
I love how ur girl pronounced "the Fuhrer" (Hitler) as "the fooler" 😂
Great reaction
Am I going nuts or did someone else also remember a different execution of Stauffenberg in this movie? One in daylight and him yelling the same ‘‘Long life sacred Germany’’ line, while raising his right arm before he gets shot. #MandelaEffect
I wished the 20 July ‘44 plot was a success. Imagine how strong German democracy can be from the moment it’s brought back from the dead with a vengeance after 12 years of Nazi dictatorship.
The Western European front of WWII would’ve ended much earlier had the assassination (and operation Valkyrie overall) been a success. Germany would’ve then joined forces with the British, Americans, Canadians, Australians, French, factions of the Soviets etc to take down the Japanese Empire (former “ally” of Germany) and what’s left of Fascist Italy.
Oskar Schindler, Hans Muench, John Rabe, the Bielski brothers and other heroes that emerged in the Holocaust/WWII for their roles in saving innocent lives - helping them escape unscathed so that generations will live to tell the tale - would marvel and lead by example from the German anti-Nazi resistance movement (same goes for other resistance movements/freedom fighters).
While I’m upset that it failed, I’m still happy that Adolf Hitler got what he deserved - opting out like the cowardly joke he was from the moment he arrived into the German society and gave the German people a bad name.
Still happy that Germany (in particular the Bundeswehr - modern German armed forces) today still recognises the Valkyrie team as the shining example of German heroism, humanity and patriotism.
P.S. Hitler’s inner circle that were in the Berghof tea scene were Schutzstaffel/SS supreme commander Heinrich Himmler, propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels, air force commander Herman Goering, architect and armament manufacturer Albert Speer, Hitler’s secretary Martin Bormann and field marshal Wilhelm Kietel
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Normandy was 46 days before this.
That was one of several reasons the rebels acted when they did.
I got an MI7 ad with Tom Cruise while watching a reaction to Valkyrie with Tom Cruise...what does it mean?!?!
it means they're watching every thing you do online so they can sell you more stuff haha⚛
31:18 YEEEEEEES🥳🥳🥳
14:38 😊 Himmler
What the movie doesn't mention (probably because its not sexy) os that Hitler always demanded quality, so his table was made of very thick, solid wood. This is part of what saved him in this attack.
14:37 😊 🤓 Himmler
Gandhi? Funny you bring it up cause Hitler and Gandhi were in letter correspondence at one time because they both had a common enemy: the British Empire.
I look forward to your reaction.. That's the way it is.. It's always important to look deep into history to really understand things.. Like for example that not all Germans followed Hitler because of his ideology.. The Germans followed Hitler because they had no food, drink or money due to the Allies and the Versailles Treaty. It's always difficult. There's really no such thing as black and white. Even an angry mustache man, who was a horrible person, said right things in many speeches.. That was the trick.. To lure the Germans in. And when times are tough, you don't question. There is a super charismatic person who promises you a way out of the crisis.. And actually helped the Germans in the beginning.. I mean Hitler annexed Austria and many other Germanic country's without conflict.. Of course people thought he was a great leader.. He gave them food, jobs and water. When many Germans woke up, it was already too late.. Now it's accept the Führer or send to a concentration camp. And as I said many Germans were happy with Hitler.. Remember they had great propaganda and they helped.. So it took really long for the Germans to realize that he was a madman. At the end of the War, many high German generals, who hated the Waffen SS and the horrible war crimes of the Nazis, wanted to kill Hitler and almost succeeded. The legend behind operation Valkyrie was Stauffenberg. Who was a descendant of the old good Prussians and was of Christian origin. Is still called a real German soldier from the good empire. But the Nazis persecuted Christians, which Stauffenberg didn't like at all.. A German oak table saved Hitler. That's a running joke here in Germany, at least for old Germans and not modern blinded ones who take everything too seriously, the hard German oak and German craftsmanship art saved hitler.. Had that been another table, hitler would have blown up completely, for Example from the Americans, I'm just kidding.
Even the legendary German general Erwin Rommel or even Wüstenfuchs didn't really like Hitler. He was an incredible general at the wrong time. Eventually he was forced to commit suicide by the Nazis, which was a last major act by a general since he just spoke out against the Nazis. To show how incredible Rommel was, all you have to do is know his thoughts on D-day. Rommel was betting heavily on the Allies landing in Normandy and devised a completely sick defense plan as he felt the Allies should not be allowed to land on the land or it would be over. in the end he was right about everything. But Hitler, with his madness, and many other loyal high command generals did not listen to him. Rommel alone had completely foreseen D-Day. Along with the general who invented Blitz Krieg, the Wehrmacht was unstoppable.
Your tears do you honor, sir. To eat fish and meat is one thing, so long as the animals are treated humanely, but treating them inhumanely or even worse, to abandon pets is horrific and inexcusable.
You didn't comment on Tom Cruise's wife in this so maybe you missed it, but she's the Red Woman in Game of Thrones. :)
No she isn't
@@JS-wp4gs Yeeees, she really is.
Himler was the head of the SS, who built and ran the concentration camps.
Ugh! Himmler sure was evil, like Göring, Heydrich, Hess, Keitel, and other Nazis.
Really?
@@4Kandlez It's true though.
"i dont want to spoil it"
I mean, i'd be amazed if someone didnt know hitler died in 1945 :D
Are you sure? Lol
Where's his grave....his earn? Ashes? Bones? For all you know he escaped with hammler and Georing and fled west
The cruelty of mankind, the evidence of evil is, ironically, one of the main signposts that good exists, and God. Especially when that cruelty or evil originates from one's self, one's thoughts and actions. Once you recognize the evil, you can't deny that the opposite exists, that Justice exists, without also sacrificing that part of your mind that processed and recognized that evil, and can separate between selfishness and selflessness, between cruelty and charity, wrong and right. It's not all there is on the path to God, and by itself it doesn't guarantee that path for all, but it is a significant part I think. Natural revelation. Which is why materialism, the seedbed of Communism and the soil for the bloodiest century - the 20th - had to work overtime to erase and rewrite that recognition for decades, before and after totalitarian regimes gained power. Nihilism doesn't lead to a true understanding of the natural, human, or philosophical world - if anything it leaves one open to _anything_ besides rationality... so long as it serves one's immediate interests. This is why you get such Utopian thoughts from idealists like Nechayev who would (and did) murder his own friends in the name of Revolution. It's what ideologically allowed Internal State Security agents to employ informers, break into homes, whip up cases against millions of their own countrymen, _torture_... for decades... and sleep soundly at night. _"You today, me tomorrow."_
Dostoyevsky said "Intelligence hides and twists," largely for its own gain, and this was before he could live to see how that would pan out for his own country later on. I'd add a bit of (I think) C.S. Lewis and Socrates to that: Half knowledge and a little philosophy spoils the mind into thinking it knows enough when it in fact knows nothing; continued and fuller knowledge while seeking in good faith makes one humble about what one does not know, and leads one closer to empathy, limits, and to recognizing God.
not sure I agree with a lot of that sounds little like old cliche when a person stops believing in god they can end up believing in anything many people convinced of ultimate meaningless of life are perfectly happy skeptical of all ideology and feel no need to dominate are hurt others⚛
@@FrankOdonnell-ej3hd Which sort of proves my point about needing to actually witness evil up close and personal, to the point of seeing it in one's self. Otherwise it becomes "No problems here, I'm perfectly alright as an island." Which inevitably tends towards "I'm perfect the way I am!" Which is arrogant, and tends towards hubris. Or alcoholism and addiction once reality proves otherwise, just based on anecdotal evidence.
Again, Socrates' half-knowledge and convenient skepticism being worse than knowing one is ignorant of anything beyond their own prejudices (self-skepticism).
If was in German was perfect. The original language rules.
How many of these actors speak fluent German?
@@4Kandlez None of them, and tom cruise trying to speak german was cringy as hell
In five years, in 1949, the democratic Adenauer government would come to power. The Adenauer government would be in office until 1963 and would significantly shape Germany's state structure until the present day.
The Federal Republic of Germany, as the successor to the previous National Socialist Germany under Adolf Hitler, rehabilitated in its name the men and women of July 20, 1944.
This film misses one important factor from beginning to end. What kind of Germany the conspirators wanted. The answer is that they wanted a return to the military-led government typical of Germany before, during and for a time after WWII, when they were young men.
Stauffenberg hoped for better in his surviving papers and diaries, but it wasn't until the Nazis had been rooted out, and Germany had become a fully democratic state again (which took years), that a peaceful Germany existed.
If the Nazis had a lasting effect, it's that Germany became a truly united West Germany and not a set of separate states, and an East Germany under the Soviets.
It took decades more before Germany was reunited and democratic, since when she is now allowed to get involved in United Nations and NATO military operations.
Two freaking countries nailed. Because Soviet Union was the ally of Nazi Germany for almost 2 years. They shared Europeand Soviet Union kept sending to Germany wheapons and food (Soviets have done it also before)
The Germans and soviets were not allies. The molotov Ribbentrop pact was a non-aggression pact good for 10 years because they new hitler was going to start a war and they were in a bad spot at the time. They never teamed up or were allies.
I didn't understand this movie when i was very young at the time But always felt it was a important movie while watching it.I guess i have to watch it again.
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Obviously hardcore nazis existed. There were a lot of them. But just because you were an officer or soldier in germany, definitely doesnt mean you were a nazi.
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Don't let think film make you think *too* highly of those involved in the July Plot, they may have been anti-Nazi but that's only because they were beginning to lose the war. As for those who were against it for moral reasons, they weren't against continuing the war until the Allies allowed them to keep some of their conquests. They were Prussians more than they were anti-Nazi, just as the last German Emperor hated Nazism but approved of the German conquests of Poland and France.
Nice to know;
Stauffenberg and the 20. Juli is a corner stone of todays German Army the Bundeswehr. So that the German Army will never be a tool of evil again. The HQ of Operation Valkyre, the Bendlerblock, is the seat of the German Federal Ministry of Defence and the 20. Juli is one of the big days for the Bundeswehr. Every year a solemnly pledge of recruits is held in the Bendlerblock, to reminde the day and spirit.
Typical Teutonic culture during the time. Brutally direct.
Most of them didn't especially care about the regime's crimes, except insofar as amplifying their own personal, career, and military doctrine grievances. They were more or less on board with most of what the Nazis did until it started causing battlefield defeats and senior military commanders being disrespected or ignored. But optimistically, maybe the act of resisting enlightened some of them.
Most of the people involved in the assassination were directly involved in the regimes crimes in some way. They were not anti nazi, they were anti losing the war and wanted the west to help them defeat the russians. They legitimately thought that the west would see russia as the greater threat, ignore everything germany did, let them keep their war gains and kill off the russians to halt the spread of communism. Ironic considering hitler claimed the very same thing would happen while he was sitting in the bunker hoping for a miracle to end the war in his favor. The only thing they were right about was the west and russia were not allies and that it was very much an enemy of my enemy situation which ended very quickly after germany was defeated
you guys need to cheak out downfall the last 10 days of hitler
There is a german dokumentary which call the devil's luck. Its a story about over 40 attacks agains Adolf Hitler and his circle. (The once attapch against a a Nazileader who work was against the general of police Reinhard heydrich.
13 minutes (german name is 'Georg Elser- he would change the world') is another good Movie. Its about the assassin Georg Elser who was a small worker from south Germany. But he hates Hitler so extrem that decide to kill Hitler.
He put a Bomb in the 'Bürgerbräukeller' at the November 1939 while hitler giving a speech.
actuly that gyuy gobbels killed him self 1 day after hitler did 31:00
Goebbels was the minister of propaganda and Himmler was the "architect of the Holocaust."
This is one of the few films that makes me proud of the human race. To know that there were those who resisted, and gave everything to destroy all that Hitler stood for. I'd like to believe I'd be willing to sacrifice myself to try and stop Hitler. If I was younger, I'd say I probably would have been indoctrinated and deluded into becoming a Hitler Youth. Now that I'm older, more determined, more comfortable in my own skin, my knowledge, my awareness.. I think I'd be more inclined to resist. Then again, don't we all. The world is full of hopefuls, but we must recognize the majority of us would probably submit, as many Germans did themselves - out of fear for our lives. It's a shame that this fear has been instilled in society much more prevalently. Just look at capitalism, and how the awareness of everyone about the suffering capitalism causes has skyrocketed. Everyone knows it's vile and malicious. If it was a person, it's killed more people than Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Un and Il combined. Everyone knows it's this bad, but few stand up against the powers that be to face them down.
absolutely right about evils of capitalism don't know if it and colonialism has killed that many but probably not far off and yes talk is cheap and you can't know what you'll do when faced by certain real-life threats and dangers⚛
Stopped reading at 'evils of capitalism' nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. That was absolute looney talk
@@JS-wp4gs gobble up the propaganda buddy.
The Nazis were nationalist socialist They were liberal famous quote from Hitler, even confirmed that they weren’t conservative at all.
Right, that must be why they killed all the socialists and communists in the country. Please tell me you don't honestly believe this....
The Nazis left the socialist party in Germany, then proceeded to murder leftists once they gained power. Fascism, both in Germany and in our own country today, is a rightwing movement. The Nazis weren’t socialists. They were rightwing fascists and opposed the liberal democratic Weimar Republic.
yes they weren't conservative but it's equally dumb to call them liberal think they used the word socialist in party name cause it was very popular term in europe back then but they believed in supremacy of the state just like soviets under stalin⚛
They were conservative. Their entire ideology was reactionary right. Wtf are you talking about?! I have a political science degree and anyone who even took the course would tell you how wrong you are. I think you’re right wing and you have a soft spot for the nazis so you blame the bad things without any knowledge on the subject, on “liberals” or the left in general. What a clown you are.
That isn't true at all
27:47 the Fūhrer is alive !
The non Tom Cruise version of this movie is much, much better.
hmmm for real?
@MJoy4Fun Most definitely, I happen to be a WW2 historian. War movies coming from Europe are so much better.
27:38 You have shameful knowledge of one of the most importatnt part od european history... (whole "reaction")
Horrible casting in this movie. I suggest watching vintage flicks about Rommel aka 'Desert Fox'.
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Of the best movies everrrr...🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻👌👍🌹🩸
Excellent movie!