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@@krisfrederick5001he was also in the beginning of the movie as Cougars RIO when Cougar had the freak out. You just see his face for the first time at the end
The idea behind sending a pilot back up as soon as he is cleared is so that he doesn't dwell on it, leading to him second guessing himself when he does get back up, putting himself and anyone he flies with at risk. The theory is that the routine and training take over and help push the accident to the back of the mind helping to restore confidence.
There is also a bit of a generational (and sexual) difference. Men (especially from my generation and before) process our emotions dramatically differently. We were. raised with the idea that a man doesn't take time to process our emotions. In our generation we saw it as our responsibility to keep doing the job, so you pushed the emotion down and dove in deeper. Get back on the horse as the guy said. I know there is a happy median in there somewhere but if you allow the emotion s to take over you can lose that edge you need to do the job. The first time i stalled a plan we went into a spin and my instructor had to recover from it. He then made me intentionally spin the aircraft and recover it 6 times. When we landed he apologized to me. He said they stopped teaching spin recovery that early because 5 out of 6 people quit after their first spin, so he wanted me to have the confidence that I could recover from it before he let me put my feet on the ground. He was right, i was terrified because I thought we were going to crash, he pushed me when I was ready to quit, and i thank him for it. In football, when i got hurt, the coach put me right back in. It was a different world from today, I think we need to get some of that back .. well maybe 90% of it.
I was in high school in Virginia Beach, when this came out, and utterly obssessed with fighter jets. My folks took me to see it in the theater, and I was on the edge of my seat, throughout. Dad woke me up early the next morning, and took me to work with him, at Naval Air Station Oceana. That's the east coast's Master Jet Base. Dad was stationed there. He took me to the Air Operations building, on the flight line. After he got me a tour of the control tower, he put me on the back porch of the building, right at the edge of the flight line. He handed me a simple pocket camera, a few rolls of film, and a pocketfull of change for the snack and drink machines. I spent the whole morning watching planes flying, taking pics, and even scored a couple of squadron patches given to me by pilots. Literally the greatest day of my young life. I later joined the Navy, myself.
1. An old shipmate of mine was onboard the Enterprise when they filmed this. 2. Gooses death was not Maverick's fault. Iceman was bogarting his LOS approach and they got caught in the jet wash. Everything that could have gone wrong, did. 3. I spent 24 years in the US Navy. 6 on "bird farms" (Carriers). I have seen 1000+ launches and landings without a single crash. These men, women and the men and women working the flat tops are doing the most dangerous job in the world (for the good guys). Shout out 4. Kelly McGillis/Charlie was in a movie with Harrison Ford "Witness" that's seriously worth a first time/share HINT HINT 5. Tom Skerritt/Viper not only played Dallas in "Alien" he also played Strawberry in "Up in Smoke" with Cheech and Chong. 6. Val Kilmer/Iceman has a long list of movies including but not limited to: "Willow", "The Doors" and "Tombstone" 7. The officer(Goose) is the RIO (Radar Intercept Officer) radar, communications and navigation. 8. Onboard the ship the squadron leader would not be smoking a cigar in that operation space. 9. "Mavrick's re-engaging sir" is for our benefit. The AO has no idea what the pilot is doing in the cockpit. 10. Onboard the ship/aircraft all the perspiration is Hollywood (not the pilot). There is AC onboard. 11. The TOP GUN school is no longer located at Miramar near San Diego. It's now at NAS Fallon, NV. 12. In 1991 I was stationed on the USS INDEPENDENCE (CV-62) and they made a movie onboard called "Flight of the Intruder". It was seriously cool. Brad Johnson, Willem DeFoe and Danny Glover. I'm actually in it for a very brief period of time. HINT HINT. 13. Watching/sharing the new "Top Gun Maverick" is a must. The ariel work in that movie makes this one seems like they were practicing. Better yet, it has a plot. (besides Navy recruitment).
@@williamjones6031 Sorry mate, I was just kidding or taking the piss as we'd say down under. I'll take the time to read it now. It better be good sailor.
So the two things that led to Goose’s death were jet wash and the spin. When they went through the jet wash the supersonic went into the engine that’s only supposed to have subsonic airflow which “chocked” it of air and shut it off. The other things is the ejection which is basically pipe bombs that blow the canopy off the jet. Because they were in a flat spin, the difference in airflow kept the canopy overhead instead of letting it fly off which resulted in Goose hitting it directly.
Also, the spin of Maverick's/Goose's F14 creates a slight suction effect, "sucking down" the canopy, so the upward velocity of the canopy, relative to the Tomcat, is reduced, and the canopy is closer to the fuselage than it would be if there were no spin, e.g., if, hypothetically, the jet were to simply fall out of the sky. 🛩🌀🛩🌀🛩🌀🛩🌀🛩
Also also... its a known issue with the F-14 that because the engines are actually skewed from the centerline, which gives that big giant jet incredible maneuverability for its size, when one engine stalls out, the other engine almost immediately pushes the jet into lateral spin. Also also also... because the jet is now spinning, airflow is now SIDEWAYS to the engine, no air gets in, and the other engine stalls. With no hope of a restart. Also also also also... not only can the jet wash cram to much fast flowing air into the chase plane (think of drinking water from a hose, but its a fire hose), the Angle of Attack between the jetwash airflow and Maverick's plane is such that the affected engine may not have been getting any air at all. F-15s and later-model F-14s have moveable ramps that help deflect the airflow into the engines. Also also also also also... the jetwash is invisible, the airplabe equivalent of black ice. Basically, as soon as Iceman pulled up and away, Maverick was effed and Goose's fate was sealed.
When you see the pilot and the RIO pushed back into their seats when they launch off the carrier isn't because of the jet engines, it's from being launched using a steam catapult off the carrier. It's one of the reasons why our birds can launch with so much fuel and a full load of ordinance
They kept sending him up because Viper knew if they didn’t he would probably never “make it back”. Maverick not engaging over and over was not a professional calculation, but a mental/emotional one. He was being held back by his own guilt and fear, and Viper was trying to get him to face it before it consumed him. Iceman mentioned it before the mission because it wasn’t a personal beef, he was legitimately concerned about Mavericks ability to fight and cover his back because of where he is mentally/emotionally. Of course Maverick runs into the one scenario that really messed with his PTSD and he disengages, which is what everyone was afraid of, but his bond with Goose gets him back into the fight and he’s finally able to deal with his guilt/fear while also applying what’s he’s learned during his time at Top Gun.
The Officer riding with Maverick after Goose died, was played by Clarence Gilyard, Jr. You might have seen him in the first "Die Hard" movie, as Theo the hacker for the bad guys.
The Admiral's Daughter...Penny Benjamin... A name to remember for TOP GUN 2... It'll be interesting to see Collette's reaction to seeing how Tom Cruise looks after 3 decades.
I was in the Air Force for 8 years. I was not a pilot, but I was part of an aircrew. I can tell you, while Iceman is shown as the ass hole, 99% of the pilots I've flown with are like him. They have no tolerance for showboating or hot dogging. They are absolutely 100% professionals. Dangerous individuals are grounded immediately.
The "barrel rolling", or "corkscrew", is in some cases, a way to keep the plane at full power / speed but travel a shorter linear distance. It allows a plane with more power / velocity to maintain a constant distance from a target that is also moving. Think about the threads on a screw. if you traced you finger around those threads, the linear distance would be the length of the screw, but the total distance your finger travels would be around and around and much longer.
Now she can watch TopGun Maverick, it was really good. Also another good Tom Cruise movie is Days of Thunder, i think you'd enjoy that more than the war movies. Hope everyone has an amazing day.
I was a weapons control systems tech. on F-4 Phantom II fighters in Vietnam during the Tet Offensive. The same plane that the movie says Maverick's father was shot down in. After Tet, I was sent to S. Korea as part of Operation Combat Fox in response to the hijacking of the USS Pueblo (spy ship). The red star on the tail in the movie symbolizes a communist plane (Russian, Chinese, N. Korean, N. Vietnamese, etc.). The movie does not specify the communist country. We placed small red stars under the pilots name on our aircraft to symbolize each enemy plane shot down. I spent many hrs. sitting & standing in the Baker ejection seat. During my 1 yr. tour in Viet., 2 men ( a pilot & a tech) were killed in separate incidents due to the ejection seat firing at zero altitude & air speed. The seat will get a full chute at zero altitude but must have enough air speed to blow the canopy out of the way or the person is shot into it like Goose. This type of accident is not unheard of which makes you aware of the danger.
The standoff at the beginning, where Cougar loses it, is basically a big game of chicken. Each side pushing the other to see who will give up first. The reason they keep barreling around during a dog fight is to try and keep the other guy from getting you in his sights and shooting you. The same reason you see guys duck and weave during a gun fight. Ironically, the one time Maverick actually plays by the rules, Goose gets killed.
The scene in the elevator when Charlie is wearing the baseball cap was actually filmed later after test screenings. Kelly McGillis was filming another role and had dyed her hair a darker color. That is why she is wearing the hat but you can see her bangs are darker.
My two favorite parts were Maverick meeting Charlotte and the dog fight between the pilots and MIGs. A dog fight is what Air Force pilots call when they’re up against enemy jets.
As always, love your reactions. A lot of this movie was filmed in my home town of San Diego and I know most of those areas. As for the rolls, combat pilots sometimes perform a barrel roll while turning to quickly change their flight path, effectively "displacing" their turn and allowing them to rapidly change direction without losing significant speed, often to evade an attacker or to gain a better firing position by forcing the enemy to fly past them ("overshooting") while maintaining a favorable position in the fight; this maneuver is particularly useful when the attacker is behind them, as the barrel roll can put the defender in front of the attacker momentarily. And yes, I agree with you that those slow, in silhouette love scenes were some of the best. My favorite scenes were of all the places I know and have been to and seeing how there were able to edit it to show places that are so far apart, like MILES apart, seem like they were right around the corner from each other. Great movie and great reaction to it.
The F-14 is truly a legendary fighter. The first attempt to create a universal aircraft for both the navy and the Air Force. It turned out so-so. It took two more unsuccessful attempts (Eagle and Falcon). And only the F-18 (Hornet) finally became the one. As for Tomcat, he's still serving. But ... in the Air Force of one of the main opponents of the United States: Iran. Yes, 45 years ago, the United States and Iran were friends.
There are rules of engagement and particularly in aircraft they are tightly followed. A pilot can not fire unless fired upon first if they are not already at war with that nation and the aircraft has been identified as a target. This is because more often it's a non-combatant craft that got loss or if it is an 'enemy' nation's plane, attacking the other plane carries the risk of all out war. These type of airspace incursions happen daily without incident because neither side wants to fire first and be the reason WWIII kicked off.
Yes, I've had aerial experiences like Maverick has in this movie. It was 1991 and I was in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War. I was flying cover as part of two six-man F-14 squadrons. Below us were several flights of A-4 Skyhawks, streaking in on a low-level bombing run over Baghdad. Before they had a chance to complete their mission, they were jumped by at least two dozen Iraqi MiG-21s, ingressing from the North. I tried to signal my flight-lead by hand, because my comms were mysteriously out of action. No deal. I saw no other option, than to attack alone, hoping others would see what was happening and follow my lead. Unfortunately, nobody else in the flight saw me leave the group. Downward I dove, reaching almost a 70 degree attack angle. My back-seater notified me that we had smoke in the air, and I turned to see two missiles with radar-lock on me. Before I could even flinch, the whole back portion of my aircraft was on fire (Including my RIO)! With basically only the nose section of my craft remaining, hurtling Earthward, I reached up for the ejection handles, already to low to make a safe egress from the craft. Then, it happened ..... My alarm clock went off, and I had to wake-up to go to work!
The first generation of the F-14 was very prone flat spins. On Ward Carol's channel he has a great video about the F-14's flight control problems which would cause the flat spin. The flight control system also led to the first female F-14 pilot's crashed which killed her and the RIO. I highly recommend you watch Ward Carol's video about the flight control problem with the first generation of the F-14, in this old Sailor's opinion (served 41 years, 45 days Jan 1978 - Feb 2019) is still the best Navy fighter ever developed. The Pilots earn their call sign, such as Maverick and Goose. It is rare a pilot gets to change their call sign, but it does happen. My second command, VA-174 DET El Centro, was a training squadron. One of the student Pilots returned from a training flight with no canopy and his call sign became Breezy. The fight scenes were filmed mainly over the Navy Training Ranges in Nevada. When they are flying over the ranges you will get a glimpse of the training POD, which looks like a Sidewinder missile, since they use the Sidewinder's tube, but unlike the actually Sidewinder the POD has four antennas on the front. These PODs send information to range control so the pilots can be debriefed on what they did right and what they did wrong. ruclips.net/video/MvV6arkWPc8/видео.html
The first time a movie ever made me cry...I went as Maverick for Halloween as a kid. The haircut, aviators, bomber jacket and everything. "She's lost it Goose" Lost what? No she hasn't GOD I hate it when she does that!" 😂
The first gen F-14's had compressor issues in their engines and a flat spin prevented consistent airflow through the intakes resulting in flame out. You can search on RUclips where a pilot and his backseater replicated the issue at Pax River (Navy test pilot home). The spin was so intense the pilot could not reach his ejection handle, the backseater had less centrifugal force so he could reach his, but one broke his leg hitting the canopy on the way out.
Now you really need to do yourself a favour and watch “Top Gun Maverick” which came out a couple years ago, about 36 years after the first one. And it’s even better.
The point of sending Mavrick up so soon after the accident is because the more time that passes after an accident like the spin out the more likely it will be that Mavrick's guilty feelings about what happened will cripple him emotionally.
You are not being realistic about Goose's death & Maverick's reactions. Didn't your parents ever tell you when you were growing up that you have to "get back on the horse that threw you"? There are a lot of careers that are intrinsically dangerous. The military is #1. If Maverick didn't face his fear he never would be able to.
32:53 He didnt say "he was my family". He said "he was my RIO". In a 2 seater like the F-14 or F-18 or A-6, the pilot is the senior officer and responsible for the safety of the other guy. RIO "reeyoh" is Radar Intercept Officer and deals with calling out targets on the radar scope, as well as communicating with base. Unlike a WSO "wizzoh" on an F-18 who's job it is to warm a seat. (Just kidding F-18 operators.) The Weapon Systems Operator deals.with more specialized weapons like laser guided weapons etc. You'll see that in Top Gun Maverick.
Hard deck was 10k feet and he flew only for a few seconds below? Within this exercise he flew only for a few seconds below ground and crashed only for a few seconds. Mave is talking BS
MiG stands for the Mikoyan and Gurevich Design Bureau, one of the major designers and manufacturers of aircraft for the old Soviet Union and now Russian air forces. They also exported and supplied aircraft to Soviet allies and clients around the world. Whether during the Korean War, the Cold War, the Vietnam War, or in the Middle East, when US, NATO, or Israeli fighters encountered opposing fighters they were usually MiGs.
Saw this when it premiered in theater one of my favorites. If you like this one a similar one you should react to is another one of my favorites, The Final Countdown (1980) The U.S.S. Nimitz goes back to December 6th, 1941. It's filmed on the Nimitz. It's like Top Gun meets Back to the Future.
You are seriously misreading the conversation between Maverick and Iceman at 15:30. It is not about envy. Iceman is a team player and is asking why Maverick, who should be protecting Cougar's wing, was off showboating with the Mig instead of doing his job. It is a valid question. Maverick and Iceman are two very different types of fighter pilot. Both types can be successful.
I feel the need, the need for speed. Top Gun (1986) & Top Gun: Maverick (2022) are my ALL-TIME favorite Tom Cruise movies. In case you're curious to why it's grainy, then it's grainy because it was shot in the Super 35 format, where the full silent film aperture is optically cropped to the 2.39:1 CinemaScope aspect ratio, to better accommodate the physical stress that the cameras would go through, during the aerial sequences. I own the 2-Disc Special Collector's Edition on DVD in both Widescreen (2.39:1) & Full Screen (1.33:1) formats, the latter is in full open matte. IMO, I think that in today's digital age, that Super 35-to-Anamorphic optical step needs make a comeback, given how film grain is becoming a thing again.
I was 2 years old in 1986 when I saw Top Gun in the Movie theatre. The special effects were amazing. Please react to Top Gun Maverick. It was released a couple years ago. It was amazing how after 30 plus year the sequel was made.
Thank God for NJP! I'm not saying that Maverick didn't need to be humbled because he did. Still If we are all being honest Iceman is more resistible for gooses death than anyone. For all his lecturing to Maverick about flying in and unsafe manner it was his actions that caused the accident. In fact, in that moment he was acting just like Maverick, aggressive, overly competitive and unwilling to bow out that caused the accident. He didn't have the shot and everyone was telling him to break off but his drive to win got the better of him. As cool and collective as is he was still careless when he turned in from of Maverick plane. Someone as skilled as Iceman would understand the dangers of such a maneuver but he was flying with emotion the very thing he scolded Maverick for. Reply
one of mine and my late brother favorite movies. Seen the movie many times we would quote the movie all the time. great reaction and yes they didnt let the man grieve at all.
What I like about 80's and early 90's movies is many of them lack cynism and over self-awareness. The movies had a slight corniness but cool and wholesome
The various maneuvers (aside from cinematic awesomeness) are meant to maximize the capabilities of the fighter. Some fighters turn better, others have stronger vertical (up and down) maneuvering. If the F-14 is in a situation where keeping speed up is the best option, that roll will help in two ways: It keeps the speed up, but also adjusts position to keep the fighter behind the other guy - and far enough away that you can keep your weapons on them.
I looked to see if anyone else gave you these tidbits, I didn't see it so here are some things from the movie. Ghost Rider is the name of the squadron that Maveric was in. The F-14 A had issues with compressor stalls. The first F-14 to crash due to this, it happened during takeoff. Several aircraft and aircrew were lost from this. One of the first female piolets to fly the F-14 died from this happening while she was coming in for a landing. In the movie, the jetwash is what causes the compressor stall, but this happened somewhat regularly. 25% of the navy F-14's were lost due to some kind of mechanical failure.
MiG is a family of Soviet military fighter aircraft, including: MiG-15 One of the first Soviet jet fighters, the MiG-15 was designed in 1946 and featured a swept wing, pressurized cockpit, and ejection seat. It was used by the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, and 41 other countries. MiG-17 A major part of the Arab air force during the Six-Day War in 1967, the MiG-17 was used in ground attacks against Israeli forces. MiG-21 A famous jet fighter that first flew in 1955, the MiG-21 was used by more than 50 countries. Western forces called it the "Fishbed". MiG-25 The first aircraft to reach an altitude of over 35,000 meters. MiG-29 Designed in response to American fighters like the F-15 and F-16, the MiG-29 was an air defense fighter with ground attack capabilities. The Mikoyan-Gurevich Design Bureau (MiG OKB) was founded in 1939 by Artem Mikoyan and Mikhail Gurevich. The "i" in MiG is the Russian word for "and".
The Barrel rolls were because it looks good on film. The pilots that were sayin in the BTS said they did a barrel roll and the filmmakers were like that was awesome do it again
I think barrel rolls are used to slow the aircraft's forward motion. The maneuvers are used to gain dominance/superiority in a dogfight My grandfather was a fighter pilot in WW2 and I remember him telling me this at one time. I hope I am remembering correctly. .
I understand why you felt so much for Maverick, and kept urging people to give him time, but they were being trained for a full-on conflict situation. If they were at war, and he lost his wingman, he doesn't get to take time off to grieve. The enemy will keep coming. You need to keep fighting. That's just the harsh reality, and that's why these instructors are so hard on their trainees. Because they need to prepare them - as best they can - for the worst possible situations.
7:15 nobody said they were friendly. The missile lock was very real. Cougar's freakout was understandable. The intruder jets were not friendly. But enemies dont want to necessarily start an actual war, so they posture ans try to frighten each other off. Maverick was telling his wingman that its doubtful the unidentified jets would actually shoot... but you just dont know for sure.
Miramar is actually a Marine base with Coranado Island housing the Naval base tho because the Navy and Marine Corps tend to work hand-in-hand they'll train on those bases
The flying stunts in this 1986 film were mostly real. There were only a few quick shots of miniature jets for explosions and Cruise's jet spinning out of control. In "Maverick" many shots were made using digital effects. Right there, it makes the original "Top Gun" so much better.
Saw this movie as a kid and loved it. But in reality Tom Cruises character would've been kicked out of Top Gun because as Iceman said he's a showboat and dangerous and in real life you have to cover your team. Because at the end of the day everyone wants to go home to their families.
I always thought it was a bit of an odd choice to dogfight in F-14 Tomcats, when they're designed to shoot down targets up to 200 km away. Giving up their greatest strength. MiG is short for Mikoyan Gurivich, which was a big Soviet aviation manufacturer. Like McDonnell-Douglas, which made a lot of US planes, before Boeing bought them. My paternal grandfather was a aerospace engineer for McDonnell-Douglas, until he retired in 1980.
The F-4 was also designed to shoot from a long distance (not as far away as the F-14), but after what is said to be a friendly fire incident, the rules for engagement in Vietnam became that of visual verification before engagement. Dogfighting became inevitable. Part of teaching dog fighting skills is to increase survivability. Even though the movie focuses heavily on dogfighting, Top Gun teaches other things such as tactics for long range engagement and how to work as a team. Certain fighting tactics has never changed too much, such as, get the height advantage, put the sun to your back to make it more difficult for your enemy to be seen, learn all you can about your capabilities and the capabilities of your enemy.
Risky Business put Tom Cruise on the map. Top Gun let him fly completely off the map. Also, the red mig represents Russia (or its allies in some cases). And the idea about fighter pilots is that if they don't get back up in the air almost immediately after some type of tragedy, they may never fly again.
As far back as the First World War men not physically wounded in combat were returned to the front. Men need a task to complete, something to finish because the alternative is worse. Men will tear themselves down rather than others. So the idea has been get them to the front and keep them sharp.
No reason for all the aileron rolls. Just for the movie. Just like the reason the fly so close in combat or training.. it's for the movie. Wouldn't be very entertaining if the enemy is a small dot out in the distance
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Speaking of redemptions Tim Robins alert before he went to Shawshank! 45:40
@@krisfrederick5001he was also in the beginning of the movie as Cougars RIO when Cougar had the freak out. You just see his face for the first time at the end
@@homelander9795 That's very sad to hear
The idea behind sending a pilot back up as soon as he is cleared is so that he doesn't dwell on it, leading to him second guessing himself when he does get back up, putting himself and anyone he flies with at risk. The theory is that the routine and training take over and help push the accident to the back of the mind helping to restore confidence.
The old adage was if you were thrown from a horse you needed to get back on it or you may never ride again.
@@garylogan3640 when a horse bucks you off, you climb right back on.
There is also a bit of a generational (and sexual) difference. Men (especially from my generation and before) process our emotions dramatically differently. We were. raised with the idea that a man doesn't take time to process our emotions. In our generation we saw it as our responsibility to keep doing the job, so you pushed the emotion down and dove in deeper. Get back on the horse as the guy said. I know there is a happy median in there somewhere but if you allow the emotion s to take over you can lose that edge you need to do the job. The first time i stalled a plan we went into a spin and my instructor had to recover from it. He then made me intentionally spin the aircraft and recover it 6 times. When we landed he apologized to me. He said they stopped teaching spin recovery that early because 5 out of 6 people quit after their first spin, so he wanted me to have the confidence that I could recover from it before he let me put my feet on the ground. He was right, i was terrified because I thought we were going to crash, he pushed me when I was ready to quit, and i thank him for it. In football, when i got hurt, the coach put me right back in. It was a different world from today, I think we need to get some of that back .. well maybe 90% of it.
I was in high school in Virginia Beach, when this came out, and utterly obssessed with fighter jets. My folks took me to see it in the theater, and I was on the edge of my seat, throughout. Dad woke me up early the next morning, and took me to work with him, at Naval Air Station Oceana. That's the east coast's Master Jet Base. Dad was stationed there. He took me to the Air Operations building, on the flight line. After he got me a tour of the control tower, he put me on the back porch of the building, right at the edge of the flight line. He handed me a simple pocket camera, a few rolls of film, and a pocketfull of change for the snack and drink machines. I spent the whole morning watching planes flying, taking pics, and even scored a couple of squadron patches given to me by pilots. Literally the greatest day of my young life. I later joined the Navy, myself.
Next, Top Gun Maverick.
1. An old shipmate of mine was onboard the Enterprise when they filmed this.
2. Gooses death was not Maverick's fault. Iceman was bogarting his LOS approach and they got caught in the jet wash. Everything that could have gone wrong, did.
3. I spent 24 years in the US Navy. 6 on "bird farms" (Carriers). I have seen 1000+ launches and landings without a single crash. These men, women and the men and women working the flat tops are doing the most dangerous job in the world (for the good guys). Shout out
4. Kelly McGillis/Charlie was in a movie with Harrison Ford "Witness" that's seriously worth a first time/share HINT HINT
5. Tom Skerritt/Viper not only played Dallas in "Alien" he also played Strawberry in "Up in Smoke" with Cheech and Chong.
6. Val Kilmer/Iceman has a long list of movies including but not limited to: "Willow", "The Doors" and "Tombstone"
7. The officer(Goose) is the RIO (Radar Intercept Officer) radar, communications and navigation.
8. Onboard the ship the squadron leader would not be smoking a cigar in that operation space.
9. "Mavrick's re-engaging sir" is for our benefit. The AO has no idea what the pilot is doing in the cockpit.
10. Onboard the ship/aircraft all the perspiration is Hollywood (not the pilot). There is AC onboard.
11. The TOP GUN school is no longer located at Miramar near San Diego. It's now at NAS Fallon, NV.
12. In 1991 I was stationed on the USS INDEPENDENCE (CV-62) and they made a movie onboard called "Flight of the Intruder". It was seriously cool. Brad Johnson, Willem DeFoe and Danny Glover. I'm actually in it for a very brief period of time. HINT HINT.
13. Watching/sharing the new "Top Gun Maverick" is a must. The ariel work in that movie makes this one seems like they were practicing. Better yet, it has a plot. (besides Navy recruitment).
Great information. Thank you for your service, sir.
@@DeanAdams-dh3gd I'd encourage you to join the Navy, but they can read.
@@williamjones6031 Sorry mate, I was just kidding or taking the piss as we'd say down under. I'll take the time to read it now. It better be good sailor.
So the two things that led to Goose’s death were jet wash and the spin. When they went through the jet wash the supersonic went into the engine that’s only supposed to have subsonic airflow which “chocked” it of air and shut it off. The other things is the ejection which is basically pipe bombs that blow the canopy off the jet. Because they were in a flat spin, the difference in airflow kept the canopy overhead instead of letting it fly off which resulted in Goose hitting it directly.
Also, the spin of Maverick's/Goose's F14 creates a slight suction effect, "sucking down" the canopy, so the upward velocity of the canopy, relative to the Tomcat, is reduced, and the canopy is closer to the fuselage than it would be if there were no spin, e.g., if, hypothetically, the jet were to simply fall out of the sky.
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Also also... its a known issue with the F-14 that because the engines are actually skewed from the centerline, which gives that big giant jet incredible maneuverability for its size, when one engine stalls out, the other engine almost immediately pushes the jet into lateral spin.
Also also also... because the jet is now spinning, airflow is now SIDEWAYS to the engine, no air gets in, and the other engine stalls. With no hope of a restart.
Also also also also... not only can the jet wash cram to much fast flowing air into the chase plane (think of drinking water from a hose, but its a fire hose), the Angle of Attack between the jetwash airflow and Maverick's plane is such that the affected engine may not have been getting any air at all.
F-15s and later-model F-14s have moveable ramps that help deflect the airflow into the engines.
Also also also also also... the jetwash is invisible, the airplabe equivalent of black ice.
Basically, as soon as Iceman pulled up and away, Maverick was effed and Goose's fate was sealed.
The "old man" with Charlie at the officers club is the real Viper (Pete Pettigrew LCDR) he was the technical advisor.
OMG! Scabbers the rat?
Colette, remember Penny Benjamin for future reference
When you see the pilot and the RIO pushed back into their seats when they launch off the carrier isn't because of the jet engines, it's from being launched using a steam catapult off the carrier. It's one of the reasons why our birds can launch with so much fuel and a full load of ordinance
They kept sending him up because Viper knew if they didn’t he would probably never “make it back”. Maverick not engaging over and over was not a professional calculation, but a mental/emotional one. He was being held back by his own guilt and fear, and Viper was trying to get him to face it before it consumed him. Iceman mentioned it before the mission because it wasn’t a personal beef, he was legitimately concerned about Mavericks ability to fight and cover his back because of where he is mentally/emotionally. Of course Maverick runs into the one scenario that really messed with his PTSD and he disengages, which is what everyone was afraid of, but his bond with Goose gets him back into the fight and he’s finally able to deal with his guilt/fear while also applying what’s he’s learned during his time at Top Gun.
The Officer riding with Maverick after Goose died, was played by Clarence Gilyard, Jr. You might have seen him in the first "Die Hard" movie, as Theo the hacker for the bad guys.
surely the title should have been 'Top Gun took my breath away' haha
Time to watch Top Gun Maverick! We'll be waiting for that reaction haha
The Admiral's Daughter...Penny Benjamin... A name to remember for TOP GUN 2...
It'll be interesting to see Collette's reaction to seeing how Tom Cruise looks after 3 decades.
Merlin is Andy Dufrane in Shawshank redemption.
Now, Top Gun Maverick while the details are fresh. Lots of us waited 36 years for it and were not disappointed. Can't wait for your reaction to that!
I was in the Air Force for 8 years. I was not a pilot, but I was part of an aircrew. I can tell you, while Iceman is shown as the ass hole, 99% of the pilots I've flown with are like him. They have no tolerance for showboating or hot dogging. They are absolutely 100% professionals. Dangerous individuals are grounded immediately.
The "barrel rolling", or "corkscrew", is in some cases, a way to keep the plane at full power / speed but travel a shorter linear distance. It allows a plane with more power / velocity to maintain a constant distance from a target that is also moving. Think about the threads on a screw. if you traced you finger around those threads, the linear distance would be the length of the screw, but the total distance your finger travels would be around and around and much longer.
Now she can watch TopGun Maverick, it was really good. Also another good Tom Cruise movie is Days of Thunder, i think you'd enjoy that more than the war movies. Hope everyone has an amazing day.
I was a weapons control systems tech. on F-4 Phantom II fighters in Vietnam during the Tet Offensive. The same plane that the movie says Maverick's father was shot down in. After Tet, I was sent to S. Korea as part of Operation Combat Fox in response to the hijacking of the USS Pueblo (spy ship). The red star on the tail in the movie symbolizes a communist plane (Russian, Chinese, N. Korean, N. Vietnamese, etc.). The movie does not specify the communist country. We placed small red stars under the pilots name on our aircraft to symbolize each enemy plane shot down. I spent many hrs. sitting & standing in the Baker ejection seat. During my 1 yr. tour in Viet., 2 men ( a pilot & a tech) were killed in separate incidents due to the ejection seat firing at zero altitude & air speed. The seat will get a full chute at zero altitude but must have enough air speed to blow the canopy out of the way or the person is shot into it like Goose. This type of accident is not unheard of which makes you aware of the danger.
You gotta see Tom Cruise in "TAPS".
I second that motion!!
The standoff at the beginning, where Cougar loses it, is basically a big game of chicken. Each side pushing the other to see who will give up first.
The reason they keep barreling around during a dog fight is to try and keep the other guy from getting you in his sights and shooting you. The same reason you see guys duck and weave during a gun fight.
Ironically, the one time Maverick actually plays by the rules, Goose gets killed.
I cried more at this film as a kid than I did watching ET
The scene in the elevator when Charlie is wearing the baseball cap was actually filmed later after test screenings. Kelly McGillis was filming another role and had dyed her hair a darker color. That is why she is wearing the hat but you can see her bangs are darker.
The thing about Iceman is that he's never really wrong. He's really the perfect antagonist to Maverick's deeply flawed protagonist.
My two favorite parts were Maverick meeting Charlotte and the dog fight between the pilots and MIGs. A dog fight is what Air Force pilots call when they’re up against enemy jets.
Stinger is mr Strickland from back to the future 😁
“Did that guy ever have hair”
As always, love your reactions. A lot of this movie was filmed in my home town of San Diego and I know most of those areas. As for the rolls, combat pilots sometimes perform a barrel roll while turning to quickly change their flight path, effectively "displacing" their turn and allowing them to rapidly change direction without losing significant speed, often to evade an attacker or to gain a better firing position by forcing the enemy to fly past them ("overshooting") while maintaining a favorable position in the fight; this maneuver is particularly useful when the attacker is behind them, as the barrel roll can put the defender in front of the attacker momentarily.
And yes, I agree with you that those slow, in silhouette love scenes were some of the best. My favorite scenes were of all the places I know and have been to and seeing how there were able to edit it to show places that are so far apart, like MILES apart, seem like they were right around the corner from each other. Great movie and great reaction to it.
good one grew up watching this. my step dad worked on fighter jets in the late 80's and early 90's aircraft carriers, good stuff!!!
The absolute best part of this film is the 20 year-old E-6 delivering coffee.
The F-14 is truly a legendary fighter. The first attempt to create a universal aircraft for both the navy and the Air Force. It turned out so-so. It took two more unsuccessful attempts (Eagle and Falcon). And only the F-18 (Hornet) finally became the one.
As for Tomcat, he's still serving. But ... in the Air Force of one of the main opponents of the United States: Iran. Yes, 45 years ago, the United States and Iran were friends.
lmao I love your reactions!! Rooting for Maverick and Charlie pretty big. Movie is a classic too - nice 80's flick
People tell me I look like Tom Cruise's ugly brother, so I have that going for me.
The soundtrack is phenomenal and the fighter jet action scenes still look excellent 30+ years later. The sequel is even better
There are rules of engagement and particularly in aircraft they are tightly followed. A pilot can not fire unless fired upon first if they are not already at war with that nation and the aircraft has been identified as a target. This is because more often it's a non-combatant craft that got loss or if it is an 'enemy' nation's plane, attacking the other plane carries the risk of all out war. These type of airspace incursions happen daily without incident because neither side wants to fire first and be the reason WWIII kicked off.
Yes! I’ve never been happier that you’re watching Top Gun! It’s the best Tom Cruise movie there is! ❤❤
I agreed with this sentiment for many years but I think Top Gun Maverick is even better.
Yes, I've had aerial experiences like Maverick has in this movie. It was 1991 and I was in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War. I was flying cover as part of two six-man F-14 squadrons. Below us were several flights of A-4 Skyhawks, streaking in on a low-level bombing run over Baghdad. Before they had a chance to complete their mission, they were jumped by at least two dozen Iraqi MiG-21s, ingressing from the North. I tried to signal my flight-lead by hand, because my comms were mysteriously out of action. No deal. I saw no other option, than to attack alone, hoping others would see what was happening and follow my lead. Unfortunately, nobody else in the flight saw me leave the group. Downward I dove, reaching almost a 70 degree attack angle. My back-seater notified me that we had smoke in the air, and I turned to see two missiles with radar-lock on me. Before I could even flinch, the whole back portion of my aircraft was on fire (Including my RIO)! With basically only the nose section of my craft remaining, hurtling Earthward, I reached up for the ejection handles, already to low to make a safe egress from the craft. Then, it happened ..... My alarm clock went off, and I had to wake-up to go to work!
The first generation of the F-14 was very prone flat spins. On Ward Carol's channel he has a great video about the F-14's flight control problems which would cause the flat spin. The flight control system also led to the first female F-14 pilot's crashed which killed her and the RIO. I highly recommend you watch Ward Carol's video about the flight control problem with the first generation of the F-14, in this old Sailor's opinion (served 41 years, 45 days Jan 1978 - Feb 2019) is still the best Navy fighter ever developed.
The Pilots earn their call sign, such as Maverick and Goose. It is rare a pilot gets to change their call sign, but it does happen. My second command, VA-174 DET El Centro, was a training squadron. One of the student Pilots returned from a training flight with no canopy and his call sign became Breezy.
The fight scenes were filmed mainly over the Navy Training Ranges in Nevada. When they are flying over the ranges you will get a glimpse of the training POD, which looks like a Sidewinder missile, since they use the Sidewinder's tube, but unlike the actually Sidewinder the POD has four antennas on the front. These PODs send information to range control so the pilots can be debriefed on what they did right and what they did wrong.
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9:35 That actor playing the commander, James Tolkan, was also in all three films of the "Back to the Future" trilogy.
I’m here for the hot Goose thumbnail photo lol
This is the perfect date movie.
This movie gives us all "Goose bunps" 🤣🤣🤣
Yesssss!
Now ya gotta watch Top Gun Maverick next!
Best movie of the year when it came out IMHO!
Lets goooooo!
The first time a movie ever made me cry...I went as Maverick for Halloween as a kid. The haircut, aviators, bomber jacket and everything. "She's lost it Goose" Lost what? No she hasn't GOD I hate it when she does that!" 😂
The first gen F-14's had compressor issues in their engines and a flat spin prevented consistent airflow through the intakes resulting in flame out. You can search on RUclips where a pilot and his backseater replicated the issue at Pax River (Navy test pilot home). The spin was so intense the pilot could not reach his ejection handle, the backseater had less centrifugal force so he could reach his, but one broke his leg hitting the canopy on the way out.
Now you really need to do yourself a favour and watch “Top Gun Maverick” which came out a couple years ago, about 36 years after the first one. And it’s even better.
The point of sending Mavrick up so soon after the accident is because the more time that passes after an accident like the spin out the more likely it will be that Mavrick's guilty feelings about what happened will cripple him emotionally.
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Competence proves confidence...
You are not being realistic about Goose's death & Maverick's reactions. Didn't your parents ever tell you when you were growing up that you have to "get back on the horse that threw you"? There are a lot of careers that are intrinsically dangerous. The military is #1. If Maverick didn't face his fear he never would be able to.
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He didnt say "he was my family". He said "he was my RIO". In a 2 seater like the F-14 or F-18 or A-6, the pilot is the senior officer and responsible for the safety of the other guy. RIO "reeyoh" is Radar Intercept Officer and deals with calling out targets on the radar scope, as well as communicating with base. Unlike a WSO "wizzoh" on an F-18 who's job it is to warm a seat. (Just kidding F-18 operators.) The Weapon Systems Operator deals.with more specialized weapons like laser guided weapons etc. You'll see that in Top Gun Maverick.
Hard deck was 10k feet and he flew only for a few seconds below? Within this exercise he flew only for a few seconds below ground and crashed only for a few seconds. Mave is talking BS
MiG stands for the Mikoyan and Gurevich Design Bureau, one of the major designers and manufacturers of aircraft for the old Soviet Union and now Russian air forces. They also exported and supplied aircraft to Soviet allies and clients around the world. Whether during the Korean War, the Cold War, the Vietnam War, or in the Middle East, when US, NATO, or Israeli fighters encountered opposing fighters they were usually MiGs.
Great fun as always C..❤ Miramar is located near San Diego... It's no longer where 'Top Gun' is based at.. it's now located in NW Nevada...
Saw this when it premiered in theater one of my favorites. If you like this one a similar one you should react to is another one of my favorites, The Final Countdown (1980) The U.S.S. Nimitz goes back to December 6th, 1941. It's filmed on the Nimitz. It's like Top Gun meets Back to the Future.
You are seriously misreading the conversation between Maverick and Iceman at 15:30. It is not about envy. Iceman is a team player and is asking why Maverick, who should be protecting Cougar's wing, was off showboating with the Mig instead of doing his job. It is a valid question. Maverick and Iceman are two very different types of fighter pilot. Both types can be successful.
I feel the need, the need for speed. Top Gun (1986) & Top Gun: Maverick (2022) are my ALL-TIME favorite Tom Cruise movies. In case you're curious to why it's grainy, then it's grainy because it was shot in the Super 35 format, where the full silent film aperture is optically cropped to the 2.39:1 CinemaScope aspect ratio, to better accommodate the physical stress that the cameras would go through, during the aerial sequences. I own the 2-Disc Special Collector's Edition on DVD in both Widescreen (2.39:1) & Full Screen (1.33:1) formats, the latter is in full open matte. IMO, I think that in today's digital age, that Super 35-to-Anamorphic optical step needs make a comeback, given how film grain is becoming a thing again.
I was 2 years old in 1986 when I saw Top Gun in the Movie theatre. The special effects were amazing. Please react to Top Gun Maverick. It was released a couple years ago. It was amazing how after 30 plus year the sequel was made.
Thank God for NJP! I'm not saying that Maverick didn't need to be humbled because he did. Still If we are all being honest Iceman is more resistible for gooses death than anyone. For all his lecturing to Maverick about flying in and unsafe manner it was his actions that caused the accident. In fact, in that moment he was acting just like Maverick, aggressive, overly competitive and unwilling to bow out that caused the accident. He didn't have the shot and everyone was telling him to break off but his drive to win got the better of him. As cool and collective as is he was still careless when he turned in from of Maverick plane. Someone as skilled as Iceman would understand the dangers of such a maneuver but he was flying with emotion the very thing he scolded Maverick for.
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one of mine and my late brother favorite movies. Seen the movie many times we would quote the movie all the time. great reaction and yes they didnt let the man grieve at all.
What I like about 80's and early 90's movies is many of them lack cynism and over self-awareness. The movies had a slight corniness but cool and wholesome
One of the best movies of the 80s!
Top Gun: Maverick is the next movie?
If you want to see jet planes flying close to each other. Watch anything about the Navy's Blue Angles.
The movie made the enemy a fictional country so there's no politics involved.
The various maneuvers (aside from cinematic awesomeness) are meant to maximize the capabilities of the fighter. Some fighters turn better, others have stronger vertical (up and down) maneuvering. If the F-14 is in a situation where keeping speed up is the best option, that roll will help in two ways: It keeps the speed up, but also adjusts position to keep the fighter behind the other guy - and far enough away that you can keep your weapons on them.
I looked to see if anyone else gave you these tidbits, I didn't see it so here are some things from the movie.
Ghost Rider is the name of the squadron that Maveric was in.
The F-14 A had issues with compressor stalls. The first F-14 to crash due to this, it happened during takeoff. Several aircraft and aircrew were lost from this. One of the first female piolets to fly the F-14 died from this happening while she was coming in for a landing. In the movie, the jetwash is what causes the compressor stall, but this happened somewhat regularly.
25% of the navy F-14's were lost due to some kind of mechanical failure.
MiG is a family of Soviet military fighter aircraft, including:
MiG-15
One of the first Soviet jet fighters, the MiG-15 was designed in 1946 and featured a swept wing, pressurized cockpit, and ejection seat. It was used by the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, and 41 other countries.
MiG-17
A major part of the Arab air force during the Six-Day War in 1967, the MiG-17 was used in ground attacks against Israeli forces.
MiG-21
A famous jet fighter that first flew in 1955, the MiG-21 was used by more than 50 countries. Western forces called it the "Fishbed".
MiG-25
The first aircraft to reach an altitude of over 35,000 meters.
MiG-29
Designed in response to American fighters like the F-15 and F-16, the MiG-29 was an air defense fighter with ground attack capabilities.
The Mikoyan-Gurevich Design Bureau (MiG OKB) was founded in 1939 by Artem Mikoyan and Mikhail Gurevich. The "i" in MiG is the Russian word for "and".
The Barrel rolls were because it looks good on film. The pilots that were sayin in the BTS said they did a barrel roll and the filmmakers were like that was awesome do it again
I think barrel rolls are used to slow the aircraft's forward motion. The maneuvers are used to gain dominance/superiority in a dogfight My grandfather was a fighter pilot in WW2 and I remember him telling me this at one time. I hope I am remembering correctly. .
I understand why you felt so much for Maverick, and kept urging people to give him time, but they were being trained for a full-on conflict situation. If they were at war, and he lost his wingman, he doesn't get to take time off to grieve. The enemy will keep coming. You need to keep fighting. That's just the harsh reality, and that's why these instructors are so hard on their trainees. Because they need to prepare them - as best they can - for the worst possible situations.
Top Gun: Maverick will absolutely blow your mind. I still say it was the best movie of 2022.. period. 😁
Inception is a must watch! Another great Christopher Nolan film!
7:15 nobody said they were friendly. The missile lock was very real. Cougar's freakout was understandable.
The intruder jets were not friendly.
But enemies dont want to necessarily start an actual war, so they posture ans try to frighten each other off.
Maverick was telling his wingman that its doubtful the unidentified jets would actually shoot... but you just dont know for sure.
I think the fans of you and your channel would enjoy your reaction to: It’s a Wonderful Life 1946 Directed: Frank Capra
Ghostrider is the name of the fictional airwing assigned to the carrier.
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Miramar is actually a Marine base with Coranado Island housing the Naval base tho because the Navy and Marine Corps tend to work hand-in-hand they'll train on those bases
Tom Cruise is a Real King in this film ❤❤
The flying stunts in this 1986 film were mostly real. There were only a few quick shots of miniature jets for explosions and Cruise's jet spinning out of control.
In "Maverick" many shots were made using digital effects.
Right there, it makes the original "Top Gun" so much better.
days of thunder, you'll love it
is this Top Gun Maverick ? ( for information to ALL of those complaining or whatever, I made this comment quite sudden when started video )
No this is the first "Top Gun" movie, "Top Gun Maverick" is the sequel.
Seriously?
@@uh60ce1 for your information I made the comment before playing the video
@@TrymRUclipsMainChannel you could have deleted your comment.
Takes place in the period in which it came out which the mid 1980s.
Good Job!
Take my breath away 🎶🎶
There is no mig28. They use a f5 for it.
Top gun rules. You should check out Jeremiah Johnson. As a film buff there's a lot to analyze for you. It's also just a very unique film.
Saw this movie as a kid and loved it. But in reality Tom Cruises character would've been kicked out of Top Gun because as Iceman said he's a showboat and dangerous and in real life you have to cover your team. Because at the end of the day everyone wants to go home to their families.
If you like Top Gun you need to check out Flight of the Intruder in my opinion it was a waaaayyyy better than Top Gun. More realistic too
The first Top Gun was good and MAVERICK
The f14s original engines were prone to stall in high angles of attack. This produces a flat spin that killed goose
I always thought it was a bit of an odd choice to dogfight in F-14 Tomcats, when they're designed to shoot down targets up to 200 km away. Giving up their greatest strength.
MiG is short for Mikoyan Gurivich, which was a big Soviet aviation manufacturer. Like McDonnell-Douglas, which made a lot of US planes, before Boeing bought them. My paternal grandfather was a aerospace engineer for McDonnell-Douglas, until he retired in 1980.
They were sold or given to dozens of countries during the cold war.
The F-4 was also designed to shoot from a long distance (not as far away as the F-14), but after what is said to be a friendly fire incident, the rules for engagement in Vietnam became that of visual verification before engagement. Dogfighting became inevitable. Part of teaching dog fighting skills is to increase survivability. Even though the movie focuses heavily on dogfighting, Top Gun teaches other things such as tactics for long range engagement and how to work as a team. Certain fighting tactics has never changed too much, such as, get the height advantage, put the sun to your back to make it more difficult for your enemy to be seen, learn all you can about your capabilities and the capabilities of your enemy.
Also, Iceman has legitimate concern on Mavs state of mind..not personal, strictly professional.
Maybe, you can watch the movie the beach, if you haven't seen it already.
You must watch the sequal ASAP. The two movies are tied together.
Risky Business put Tom Cruise on the map. Top Gun let him fly completely off the map. Also, the red mig represents Russia (or its allies in some cases). And the idea about fighter pilots is that if they don't get back up in the air almost immediately after some type of tragedy, they may never fly again.
As far back as the First World War men not physically wounded in combat were returned to the front. Men need a task to complete, something to finish because the alternative is worse. Men will tear themselves down rather than others. So the idea has been get them to the front and keep them sharp.
Please do the second one really soon.
No reason for all the aileron rolls. Just for the movie. Just like the reason the fly so close in combat or training.. it's for the movie. Wouldn't be very entertaining if the enemy is a small dot out in the distance