$5000 is a lot of money for a bike, and $3000 is a lot of money on upgrades... but does it make the bike any faster? What do you guys think? A good way to spend your money, or should you stick to an old faithful affordable rim brake bike? 🤔
@@spartanbike2260 Yeah, it would have been good to swap one compoennt at a time and record the individual savings... but, modern bikes are just so hard to work on. Changing a handlebar is a multi-hour job, it's just not practical. I reckon the position change is 75% of the aero savings... maybe more!
Great video. Glad you pointed out the negatives too. $3000 for 1.2kg weight savings = $2.50 per GRAM. ,no judgement here - we all spend our money in different ways Where were you riding where the road was TOTALLY smooth and clean with RED pavement and no auto traffic? It looked as smooth as a velodrome!
Good summary and actually informative content Joe, thanks for doing this. It's a shame that some guys comments here are just false. But hey humans ;-)....got to shrug your shoulders and laugh it off.
I thought social media disinformation was for important stuff like elections... didn't realise it would trickle down to people making videos about bikes, lol.
Nice to see a real weight with everything on it!! Most do not that, people don't realize bikes are not as light with everything on it without spending 10k plus! Take a $15,000 dollar bike at your local shop and put Dure pedals, 2 cages, GPS mount. Everyday ridable for someone that weighs over 160 lbs.
I can't stop laughing at the burger T-shirt. Please sell this Tee in your merch store. Also love the 'fur' winter panda hat you gave to Trace Velo. You have the funnest merch.
@ChinaCycling thanks for sharing this video and also your insight about those upgrades. I do have a few questions, if you don't mind me asking. 1. For the Maxxis High Road SL, it shows in the packaging 170 tpi. What does that mean in terms of tire protection and longevity? Does it have compare with Continental's Gatorskin? 2. I am quite impressed how the integrated/1 piece dropbar & stem from Farsports. Will this work if my frame is still using external cabling? 3. Did went through a bike fit session before testing the Polygon Helios? It would be great to see, if you also do a similar comparison of a full Chinese brand bike with the Polygon Helios. Thanks again for sharing this kind of content.
Thanks for the pros and cons descriptions. KEEP DOING THAT!!! If the major aero gains are from your position, it seems like a separate bar and stem (at different stem lengths) would be ideal for consumers to purchase. Do you have a modern bar (36mm hoods and 40mm drops... or something like that) that is not a 1 piece bar/stem? Added bonus if it has a full run channel on the underside where I can put the cables in without having to mess with undoing the brake lines. Even if this setup is 100 grams heavier, at least we the consumers could experiment with different stem lengths for dialling in our aero fit on the bike. If this was an option, I'd buy like 3 different stem lengths to see just how aero I could get. A lighter cassette that doesn't shift well is not an upgrade... if the Shimano hyperglide patient has expired (it's an old patent, so it is very possible it expired)... then these Chineses cassettes need to start copying that design (just not the hyperglide "+" design that is definitely still under patent) that way we can have light cheap cassettes that shift really well. If this is the case, do you know of any for sale? Would be cool if you could get polygon to let you sell their frameset (not the complete bike). I think if they sold their frameset for like $1200 USD, they would sell VERY well. Again thanks for the great video.
If he was riding mostly upright then did the new test mostly in aero position, it's very easy to get to these numbers. Also he's tiny, so on the flat no way he's riding at 40kmh, so the "real world" difference for him would make more sense at 30-35, presumably, so that's probably 10w less or so. But either way, position is everything on the flat.
an aero position you can't maintain because of discomfort vs comfortably, probs what he takes into account. But sure as a pure test for 10s or whatever, no it does not pass the smell test
I did all testing in my "all day fast hoods" position. Tbe position you see in the vertical video of me riding. Arms slightly bent, elbows in. But the difference between the two bars is a massive difference in (sustainable) position.
My cervelo s5 with crw 5060 , ultegra di2 with elilee crankset with xcadey pm is 6.9 kg , from this vid the only thing i cannot upgrade to save more weight is the handlebar 😂
Or you could put a top tier groupset on that top tier frame Cervelo boy Nothing screams rookie or bullshit like a guy with a bike like that and and bargain group. Come on man that’s lame.
I'm not changing my drive train if I had Dura-ace. For the rest of the components, those are some great options. I hope during your tests you didn't compare a Sphynx position on the new components to the regular hood position on the older components.
@@ChinaCycling Great! I'm surprised about the big jump in performance, but for a light guy like yourself, the weight of the bike is an important factor compared to a heavier rider. The wheels + tires + tubes are the second or first important factor.
I really want to get some CRW6575 wheels to go along with my 303FC's. But what's holding me back is not knowing whether or not I will have to adjust the disc caliper every time I swap wheelsets.
Anecdotal; but when I did the CRW vs Roval testing, I could swap wheels without touching the brake calipers. I think you can also buy small shims for disc rotors to get all your wheels running fine...
Those craft wheels look sick but im slightly worried about durability of those spokes, do they come with any spare ones? Are standard bearings used in them?
Bearings are standard size. No spare spokes included, because if you have a big enough crash to break a spoke, you'll probably need more than just 1 spoke.
Hey Joe, I'm looking to build a mega-light climbing bike for the steep hills here in the UK so want to use my MTB 3x chainset so I can have a 22x32 bottom gear and 44x11 top gear. To get the front mech low enough, it seems you need a clamp-on style which only fits round seat tubes. So, do any light carbon frames exist nowadays with this? They all look like they have braze-ons to me?
@@matkrek Only if you're willing to put up with a MTB cassette with huge jumps between gears. I can't get to a 22x32 gear on a standard road BCD anyway, so no.
I would be curious to find out if these upgrades would be able to handle over 1200 watt sprints ? Are these lightweight parts for little people that don't put out real wattages ? Slava Ukrayini 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
The people complaining about shilling because a dude who runs an online store is using parts that he sells. When was the last time you saw any business advertising competitors products? Hambini must be a shill too because he uses Hambini bottom brackets in his videos. The stupid is real
$5000 is a lot of money for a bike, and $3000 is a lot of money on upgrades... but does it make the bike any faster? What do you guys think? A good way to spend your money, or should you stick to an old faithful affordable rim brake bike? 🤔
so the narrow bar gives you the extra watts savings . nice.
@@spartanbike2260 Yeah, it would have been good to swap one compoennt at a time and record the individual savings... but, modern bikes are just so hard to work on. Changing a handlebar is a multi-hour job, it's just not practical. I reckon the position change is 75% of the aero savings... maybe more!
Darrrgghhh I have an old caad alu mech rim brake with alloy wheels that's wayyyy faster than this gravel disc brake mtb bike darghh big pharma rah
@@DDai-qd8uk Whatever you have to tell yourself
@@DaveCM can't figure out what a joke is? maybe you're new to the internet.
8.2 - 6.6 = 1.6
Shiiiii... Well, at least I underestimated instead of overestimating.
but didn't we start at 8.040? I'm lost :) Anyway, its lighter...
@@adamcharles9090 The tubes was already changed from stock, thats why the starting weight is 8.2.
It deserves edit :-)
Great video. Glad you pointed out the negatives too.
$3000 for 1.2kg weight savings = $2.50 per GRAM. ,no judgement here - we all spend our money in different ways
Where were you riding where the road was TOTALLY smooth and clean with RED pavement and no auto traffic? It looked as smooth as a velodrome!
Look at this guy, shilling overpriced Adidas printed tees to us! 😠
Scamda Podium mustn’t be doing well. His last few videos have been a shillfest.
Good summary and actually informative content Joe, thanks for doing this. It's a shame that some guys comments here are just false. But hey humans ;-)....got to shrug your shoulders and laugh it off.
I thought social media disinformation was for important stuff like elections... didn't realise it would trickle down to people making videos about bikes, lol.
Like your style introducing all the parts and savings then you say I'll hand it over to Tom. Ha ha your the boss.
Nice to see a real weight with everything on it!! Most do not that, people don't realize bikes are not as light with everything on it without spending 10k plus!
Take a $15,000 dollar bike at your local shop and put Dure pedals, 2 cages, GPS mount. Everyday ridable for someone that weighs over 160 lbs.
I can't stop laughing at the burger T-shirt. Please sell this Tee in your merch store. Also love the 'fur' winter panda hat you gave to Trace Velo. You have the funnest merch.
Cant believe you went narrower tyres 😳. Sick upgrades otherwise!
I would love to see a workshop tour!
This looks super compact and clean!
@ChinaCycling thanks for sharing this video and also your insight about those upgrades.
I do have a few questions, if you don't mind me asking.
1. For the Maxxis High Road SL, it shows in the packaging 170 tpi. What does that mean in terms of tire protection and longevity? Does it have compare with Continental's Gatorskin?
2. I am quite impressed how the integrated/1 piece dropbar & stem from Farsports. Will this work if my frame is still using external cabling?
3. Did went through a bike fit session before testing the Polygon Helios?
It would be great to see, if you also do a similar comparison of a full Chinese brand bike with the Polygon Helios.
Thanks again for sharing this kind of content.
sheeesh i was waiting for that video :D will watch it tomorrow with a cup of good coffee!
Thanks for the pros and cons descriptions. KEEP DOING THAT!!!
If the major aero gains are from your position, it seems like a separate bar and stem (at different stem lengths) would be ideal for consumers to purchase. Do you have a modern bar (36mm hoods and 40mm drops... or something like that) that is not a 1 piece bar/stem? Added bonus if it has a full run channel on the underside where I can put the cables in without having to mess with undoing the brake lines. Even if this setup is 100 grams heavier, at least we the consumers could experiment with different stem lengths for dialling in our aero fit on the bike. If this was an option, I'd buy like 3 different stem lengths to see just how aero I could get.
A lighter cassette that doesn't shift well is not an upgrade... if the Shimano hyperglide patient has expired (it's an old patent, so it is very possible it expired)... then these Chineses cassettes need to start copying that design (just not the hyperglide "+" design that is definitely still under patent) that way we can have light cheap cassettes that shift really well. If this is the case, do you know of any for sale?
Would be cool if you could get polygon to let you sell their frameset (not the complete bike). I think if they sold their frameset for like $1200 USD, they would sell VERY well.
Again thanks for the great video.
You forgot some weatherproof bartape!
Don't want it working loose in the next downpour🐈🐈🐕🐕
I was with you all the way up until those High Roads, they may be light, but roll like 💩
They roll alright in bicycletirerollingresistance.com testing. Not as good as top tier tires, but same ball park as the stock tires on this bike.
@@ChinaCycling the Nero Team raced on them for a few seasons before, that’s how they know.
is it me or does this bike look a bit like the giant propel?
40w saving at 40kph doesn’t pass the smell test…
Position is everything. From a 40cm wide 10cm stem to 36cm 12cm stem...
If he was riding mostly upright then did the new test mostly in aero position, it's very easy to get to these numbers. Also he's tiny, so on the flat no way he's riding at 40kmh, so the "real world" difference for him would make more sense at 30-35, presumably, so that's probably 10w less or so. But either way, position is everything on the flat.
an aero position you can't maintain because of discomfort vs comfortably, probs what he takes into account. But sure as a pure test for 10s or whatever, no it does not pass the smell test
I did all testing in my "all day fast hoods" position. Tbe position you see in the vertical video of me riding. Arms slightly bent, elbows in. But the difference between the two bars is a massive difference in (sustainable) position.
I did the same on my mountain bike, took off 4 lbs! My hilly route took 5 minutes off. ( 2,000 ft in under an hour )
Dura ace has come down a lot in 2024, the crank can be had new for less than $400 easy.
Not the powermeter version, which no one should buy anyway but comes stock with a lot of bikes.
My cervelo s5 with crw 5060 , ultegra di2 with elilee crankset with xcadey pm is 6.9 kg , from this vid the only thing i cannot upgrade to save more weight is the handlebar 😂
why are you looking for an Upgrade with a build like that haha
That’s a seriously light S5! Well Done
@@oussamamohsni7936 thats the fun for weight weenies
@@oussamamohsni7936 its just a weightweenie happiness
Or you could put a top tier groupset on that top tier frame Cervelo boy Nothing screams rookie or bullshit like a guy with a bike like that and and bargain group. Come on man that’s lame.
I honestly doubt that you would be "flying" if you lost ~20% of your bodyweight. Seems a bit too much to not drop alot in watts.
Why are these mainstream bikes always so heavy. Yeah they dont have carbon spokes but still a lot heavier
Is your frame oversized?
I'm not changing my drive train if I had Dura-ace. For the rest of the components, those are some great options.
I hope during your tests you didn't compare a Sphynx position on the new components to the regular hood position on the older components.
Position tested was the one seen in vertical video. Regular all-day hoods position
@@ChinaCycling Great! I'm surprised about the big jump in performance, but for a light guy like yourself, the weight of the bike is an important factor compared to a heavier rider.
The wheels + tires + tubes are the second or first important factor.
Are those tires better than GP5000s?
@@musclelessfitness2045no, they are lighter but have more rolling resistance. Still a good tire but for performance the gp5000 is a better package
you need more seatpost
I need more legs :(
I really want to get some CRW6575 wheels to go along with my 303FC's. But what's holding me back is not knowing whether or not I will have to adjust the disc caliper every time I swap wheelsets.
Anecdotal; but when I did the CRW vs Roval testing, I could swap wheels without touching the brake calipers. I think you can also buy small shims for disc rotors to get all your wheels running fine...
You can get good bargains from China, you need to know what to look for though.
Was hoping to see a before and after chart for the weights. 😢
Also any help with what the ‘used Chinese bike app’ is?
It's called Xianyu
Please, not fix the top tube on the stand, but the seatpost
Yeh I don’t think this guy knows what he is doing. He doesn’t have many bikes so probably doesn’t know
Love to gold decals on the CRW wheels, but the Pandapodium site only shows black decals for the wheels. How do i get ones like these?
Send us a message, we can sort you out.
Those craft wheels look sick but im slightly worried about durability of those spokes, do they come with any spare ones? Are standard bearings used in them?
Bearings are standard size. No spare spokes included, because if you have a big enough crash to break a spoke, you'll probably need more than just 1 spoke.
@@ChinaCycling good to know man cheers 🙏🏼
And +$$ for power meter pedals. What is the rider weight limits for those CRW wheel set?
Power meter pedals were on the bike already, because the Dura Ace power meter isn't reliable, lol. Weight limit 100kg system weight.
Love it 👌
If the used parts worth more than the new "upgraded" parts, that's more like a downgrade rather than upgrade.😂
Cybrei carbón crankset or skypivot? Which one is better ? 🧐
Pretty similar. I assume minor differences in stiffness and weight. Also different sizes available for each.
Is the bike too big for you? Just noticed that the seat is way forward
Most my bikes are like that, I like to get over the BB. But - to answer your question, an XS would fit me better than this S. :)
There is hardly any seatpost exposed. I bet you could save a few more grams cutting that post down.
Or a smaller frame
Yup! As I mentioned in the last video, I actually wanted an XS. Would probably be lighter, stiffer, more aero and more comfortable...
@@ChinaCycling lol i didnt know you can get polygon in china also
what's up Shilling cycling here
One love. Go ride your bike. :)
Hey Joe, I'm looking to build a mega-light climbing bike for the steep hills here in the UK so want to use my MTB 3x chainset so I can have a 22x32 bottom gear and 44x11 top gear. To get the front mech low enough, it seems you need a clamp-on style which only fits round seat tubes. So, do any light carbon frames exist nowadays with this? They all look like they have braze-ons to me?
2x is plenty with right gears
@@matkrek Only if you're willing to put up with a MTB cassette with huge jumps between gears. I can't get to a 22x32 gear on a standard road BCD anyway, so no.
I would be curious to find out if these upgrades would be able to handle over 1200 watt sprints ?
Are these lightweight parts for little people that don't put out real wattages ?
Slava Ukrayini 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
The people complaining about shilling because a dude who runs an online store is using parts that he sells. When was the last time you saw any business advertising competitors products?
Hambini must be a shill too because he uses Hambini bottom brackets in his videos.
The stupid is real
Never seen a bike saddle and handlebars set as similar heights
I can only dream
You have to have the money to buy the parts in the first place so the title is a bit click bait
So sell all the parts first and then buy the new parts🤷♂
the high road SL are so underrated. they roll superfast at lower pressures with TPU tubes, I wonder why is it not marketed enough.
@@OralMaster because its maxxis not continental 😂