Pez, Aerith is waking up from a vision at the final shot of OG FF7. The remake is her trying to change fate, while the whispers try and stop her. Meanwhile sephiroth is also trying to change fate. It's as if Aerith and Sephiroth are playing a time and space chess match, and I love it.
@@randinoms6149 ~Aerith does preserve herself within the lifestream, and it's through her own choice, or she could simply become one with the planet, and ending her very existence, but she never chooses too, because she needs help dealing with Sephiroth first, how does one truly defeat Sephiroth? and yeah Aerith can return to the planets surface demonstrated in ACC or On a way to a Smile illustrated in the Lifestream White. I, II, III, as herself or as another individual, which puts a stop to the reincarnation theory, lol. If reincarnation is the case for remake part one how do you explain Chadley a AI created by Hojo? And also wanna add it doesn't matter if Cloud is killed in remake, Sephiroth would still exist within the lifestream, creating remnants like he did Kadaj, Loz, Yazoo through is own will and not through the will of the planet itself. If he existed in the lifestream, after Clouds death, the more the pure lifestream (White Lifestream) becomes impure (Black Lifestream) As Sephiroth would say "Choking it and corroding it"~ So how does reincarnation fit into truly destroying Sephiroth, and him wanting Cloud to complete his reunion with Sephiroth as to allow Sephiroth gaining his physical form again, and what has reincarnation got to do with changing destiny? Anything to debunk parallel timeloops, I guess! parellel timeloops also means that with timeloops it doesn't essentially mean that all the compilation occurred in the same timeloop. In remake there is 3 Aeriths, ACC, CC, OG Aerith. Now with the true Jenova in charge of destiny for part 2 the reincarnation theory is now pointless, another way to debunk reincarnation theory or being recreated through the knowledge and memories of the lfestream itself. It could all be an illusion created by Jenova. Zacks fate changed, remember he has J-Cells and can't become apart of the lifestream or the planet again, because of his J-Cells, so his fate has been changed thanks to Jenova herself. This reincarnation theory has so many loop holes for it to properly work, lol. Sorry about the long comment you would be more interested in the 1st two or three paragraph. 😆 I'm going to say it once more in remake we have 3 Aeriths, ACC, CC, OG Aerith. "I Need to tend to the flowers ME, MYSELF, AND I. Which only strengthen timeloop theory and the compilation never occurring on the same timeline as OG FFVII.
My issue with this theory is that advent children hasn't happened on that final scene of og ff7 so Sephiroth should not have his wings on ff7r, unless Sephiroth went back into the ff7r timeline whereas aerith woke up from the final scene of og ff7 instead of going back to the original opening of ff7
so its like a sequel to the first ff7, but a matchup between aerith and sephiroth on trying to change the past .. present and future's faith ! very interesting, inspired by theories of consciousness, the spirit that is eternal, the ancients probably had knowledge of eternal creation , i hope we will come back to the village of the ancients in the next episode. and maybe Zach will be a playable character ! that would be cool
So you're telling me that the Sephiroth in this game is the Sephiroth from Advent children when he left and he was like I'll never be a memory... He just went back to the beginning of the game...👁️👄👁️
Shit man, if all this is actually spot on then we didn't just get a remake we got a sequel. Also it really fit's Sephiroth's character and his line "I will never be a memory"... time and space really can't stop the dude, even chased Cloud over to smash lol
Nobody’s talking about how, at the start of Remake when Cloud has the iconic memory of Sephiroth standing in burning Nibelheim, he’s holding the masamune the wrong way around.
I think the reincarnation/cycle theory is supported by this scene between Rufus and Kadaj in Advent Children: Rufus: Hm. The nightmare returns. Kadaj: As long as you exist, the nightmares will come again and again. Rufus: The Lifestream courses through our world… ever flowing between the edge of life and death. If that cycle is the very truth of life, then history, too, will inevitably repeat itself. Go on, bring your Jenovas and your Sephiroths. Cause trouble till your heart’s content. We’ll do as life mandates, we promise. We won’t let you win and we’ll stop you.
Remake Midgar is clearly the summoned memory of the (destroyed) Classic Midgar, brought into existence by Yu Yevon, which will vanish when Sin is defeated by Yuna...
@Aaron9 oh I thought it was Zidane. lol that was rude im sorry. But yes you are correct. It was the "real" cloud, referencing the time he fell with Tifa, I think. It's just funny how it kind of fits with this narrative, IF it weren't in the OG FF7.
@@derricktarver6100 lol hey it happens. Still it helped my point tho. Right on either way. Happy new years friend, I hope yours is a great one. Stay safe n take care.
@Sofa King ya your missin out dude. Remake is a fuckin masterpiece and builds on everything the original had. Makes the characters better n more relatable, they actually act like people. The story is largely the exact same, save for a crazy huge twist that reallu does put everything you know about remake and og into question. That fuckin game is beyond incredible, and if you like the original, you are doing yourself a huge disservice by not playing remake.
PEZ! IMGONNABLOWYOURMIND: You know the scene that everyone says Seph freezes Aerith in time? Ive played that segment over and over in slomo, and if you look closely, Aerith actually closes her mouth and changes facial expression in the last frame. IMO, she felt, and reacted to Sephiroth touching her shoulder. It's almost as if she's choosing not to tell Cloud that she can see him too.
the way they set things up at the end of part 1 makes me think that maybe the outcome of Zack's battle with the Shinra troops changed because of something Cloud did at the "Edge of Creation" after Sephiroth left, though I doubt Zack would go into hiding and not somehow send Aerith a message that he was in fact alive But then again if he is alive and left the sword with Cloud somewhere in the slums it could be in an attempt to fake his death and throw Shinra of his trail while he secretly aids Avalanche under a different name to bring them down so he can finally stop hiding and be free It would be pretty insane if Zack shows up at the last second and saves Aerith from dying the way she did in the OG and confirms this "remake" of the planets memories theory, and also lends a hand in helping Cloud get his own memories back in order
i like this one.. I played the OG but correct me if im wrong, i dont remember they are having another team of avalanche (or maybe they have and i didnt pay attention) helping them. aahahaha. sorry for my bad english.
Would also be cool if Nomura read and watched videos of these theories and got inspired by them. It’s really really good! One of the best theories so far. Thanks for posting this video. It’s really really good.
@@chrisrudling9795 I mean, the hope is that we are picking up on intentional hints that eventually lead to the confirmation of these theories as the games progress. Not that Nomura wrote a bunch of bull shit, and then changes the story based on fan theories. I agree that this is an excellent video though.
I think "Zanarkand" Midgar manifests at Sephiroth's will and he chooses for its "cycle" to start at the moment in time that Aerith opens her eyes at the alley. Every soul/memory that lived in the OG Midgar when OG FF7 started also manifests in this dream-Midgar, but ONLY from the point of that alley onwards. Hence, Cloud practically spawns on the train and has not slept anywhere in dream-Midgar yet. This is why he has to get shown around and introduced. By extension, Zack doesn't even manifest in dream-Midgar because he was not alive in OG Midgar by the start of the game. He appears in Remake, but not in dream-Midgar. This is the only thing that makes sense to me concerning where the hell cloud slept in Remake. I had to accept that something is really going on when you mentioned that detail.
I still think the theory even goes back to the OG. For me it's the scene at the end with Aerith that mirrors the beginning of the game and Remake just continues after that. And while I don't think they planned this far ahead it makes a good foundation for spinning the Remakes story in such a direction.
A1MT: DID ANYONE NOTICE everytime someone got stabbed (Barrett, Prez Shinra, etc), there wasn't any blood, but looks like "ashes" or "dust"? So, what does that mean? Is everyone already dead? And no one's aware accept Seph and Aerith? That we're not just experiencing an alternate timeline, but a continious loop? What would be your interpretation of this?
Dude, I get freaking cold chills every single time I watch one of your theory videos, especially at the of your videos, how you conclude them.....DAMN, you're good, please keep up the good work man😁✊👍
This gives me chills. I've already supported a theory close to this one. But more focused around Aerith. Being that in summary the OG was her vision of what is to come through the lifestream. Hence why we she her kneeling down at the lifestream at the beginning and end in the OG. Thus, making the remake her living this out. Making the needed changes to save more of humanity. A lot of other things with the visions and midgar as shared and similar in both.
After years following Pez and playing FF games... I just learned at this point. You never truly understand the plots and it’s almost tiresome trying to. Just enjoy the feels.
@@garbagepeasant3437 people like different things. Some people are satisfied with the superficial emotional drama of a final fantasy title. Some prefer untangling the puzzle-like plot. Both are perfectly fine, there’s nothing wrong with either preference.
When I seen the ancient paintings on that wall with the people that had on robes, now that we get a good look at them, when I look at that wall, I see the old summoners that used to take part in the pilgrimage to save the world from sin. If 7 and 10 are connected then Yunalesca, Braska and Yuna are the ancient summoners that protected the world. 8 seems to be connected to this universe too, and with Ultimacia there is a distortion of time because of what she did. It might have us all come back to FF VIII at one point because of that, and if things really get messed up, we might even see characters that exist in the far future or far past, in the current present not knowing how they got there. So many possibilities.
I love the idea of this secondary midgar (mindblown!) being a parallel with the FFX Dream Zanarkand and the life stream echoing the Fayth. That would be such a clever subtle tie-in.
When someone tells me they dislike FF7R because it wasn't a 1:1 recreation and 'they changed too much,' I'm going to point them to this video. It perfectly verbalizes what I've been trying to since I saw the credits roll. Good work. I do have one minor gripe (it doesn't really change anything, but I feel like it's worth mentioning if only because of what it could maybe mean). The part about the way the Cetra are depicted in the original versus the remake - I don't think it's fair to take that VR promo at face value over the depictions we saw in the Temple of the Ancients, unless whoever made it did so with express knowledge of their history. The entire thing felt like propaganda, an idealized version of what the Cetra could have been like to appeal to whatever Platelet happened to be watching that demonstration at the time, airships and all. That said, if that VR reel is anywhere close to accurate, the implications all pretty much fall in line with the theory overall.
Too be fair, while I totally get why alot of people like the remake and can acknowledge it's merits. I do hate the narrative about the 1:1 remake. Most people who don't like the Remake(myself included) didn't want a 1:1 remake. We just wanted an actual remake not a reboot, sequel, ect, ect. Too be honest alot of the minor changes and areas the fleshed out in the Remake, I did enjoy. I didn't expect a PS1 game to be remade shot for shot on PS4. I just didn't want them to make an actual different game. But, even still, if they had been more transparent about it and hadn't been so adamant they WERE making a proper remake, and I went into the game with the proper expectations, I may have appreciated it more. Anyways, rant over. This video was really good, and an interesting take.
@@heflitothev-hog3730 The transparency thing, I get. Making informed game purchases is hard enough with story-driven games without spoiling yourself, never mind one from a dev that's intentionally misleading. Factor in the reverence for the first game, and yeah, I get it. What I don't get is, expectations aside, why a continuation of FF7 is such a bad thing. The way I see it, what we got is a marriage between the original FF7 Compilation stuff and new content. Very rarely is a remake of any story-driven media completely faithful to its source material, so what consumers are often left with is the choice of accepting character changes, plot retcons, and general revisions of the existing canon that they already know and love, or hating them. With FF7R though, the originals are preserved. If any of the timeline/parallel realms/lifestream construct shenanigans theories are correct, no canon is overwritten, and the story and characters instead evolve and continue without alienating the original base. That, to me, is almost always preferable to changing existing stories and characters to suit a modern remake--but that's also purely my opinion, and there's definitely something here that I'm not seeing, so instead just leaving it at that, I thought I'd actually ask you (and anyone else that wants to answer): Why do you prefer a remake over a sequel? Is this your preference generally, or just as far as FF7 is concerned? Did you dislike what they're doing in FF7R? Is it just not what you wanted? Is it more complicated than any of that?
19:11 49 can can also be read as the Japanese 4 & 9, or 'shiku', which has a ton of thematic potential as it can be interpreted as ' to take position/catch up with(The Reunion), to occur repeatedly or be repeated( to your point) or the four kinds of suffering: birth, old age, disease & death. Great vid!
You just blew my mind when you pointed out the different Midgar in the singularity that doesn't have the houses developed beyond the wall.... The amount of thought that went into this game is freakin NUTS!
I'll bet this will happen in the remake at some point. Shinra: We've dropped a section of the city on top of another section of the city. Man we're messed up. Sephiroth: Hold my mother. *Summons and drops OG Midgar on top of Remake Midgar.*
As a lover of Final Fantasy, this is a compelling theory in my mind. It might also explain why ffxiii and ffxv are completely different. Leaving no trace of the other. Depending on how this goes, it is what leads to the creation of one of these timelines.
its because ffxii and ff15 are totally separate worlds? ff13 is Pulse and ff15 is Eos. I think maybe you are getting confused because they both fall under fabula nova crystalis but that docent mean they are in the same world. the games that are part of the fabula nova chrysalis all have similar themes and borrow ideas from one another, so ff13, ff type-0, ff Agito all have L'cie, Fal'cie, a trio of primary deities in pulse, lideze and Bhunivelze. despite all this ff13, type 0 take places in different worlds with Agito being the exception as it was a prequel of sorts to type 0. ff15 was designed to be similar where it would have l'cie and fal'cie and the trio of gods but due to the fan backlash of confusing terms such as l'cie and fal'cie they pretty much removed all mention of them. the woman on the ff15 logo was originally Etro the goddess of death again tying ff15 to FNC, despite all of this they were never set in the same world
Part two begins, we see the ending scene of part 1, the camera slowly pans out to show we were on the stage of the Golden Saucer the entire time and it was all literally a play. Young Noctis applauds, then walks out of the theater, eager to begin his roadtrip, but gasps when he realizes he has been whisked to another world, he then hears a voice in his head . . . "save Sora" Boom. Title screen drops for FF7 but it shatters and becomes Kingdom Hearts: Versus Quadratum Verum Rex.
Then the title fades to black. A white cross cuts away. We see Cloud and Sephiroth fighting in a deserty canyon. Sephiroth throws out a Pokeball revealing Pichu. Cloud looks in shock. He uses Pheonix down and suddenly.... *splashscreen* Sora unlocks his way to Smash. Making the entire FF7 canonical lore leading up to Kingdom Hearts 4 and everyone has to play every single part for details just like with the Kingdom Hearts mobile games. As well as Smash becomes canonical for Kingdom Hearts lore and if you don't play every single game that crosses over with Smash you will be lost in Kingdom Hearts 4.
As far as Midgar's design itself being different...just look at how it appears from the ground. If you look up at the reactors, you'll notice they're much taller than they should be. And the large door with the black and yellow caution colors is basically missing when you're roaming around Ch. 14. While your theory could explain why the design is inconsistent, but I'd say it's more due to how they probably have multiple different models of the city. The version from the FMV is different than the skybox renders we see in game. Not sure why though. That seems like a very odd way to "hint" at the idea of multiple Midgars when the first thing that comes to mind is that they made a mistake with the renders and consistency. And I think the Cetra settlement having the 8 pillars was probably just Shinra propaganda. They basically believe the world belongs to them...so why not make an obvious parallel to the Cetra in their VR hologram so the average person in the FF7 world will be all "oh, of course. Shinra is good and right."
The parallels with FFX are so apparent with the two different Midgars and the dreamspace theory. At first I thought maybe it was a lazy development thing, but the details are too many for it not to be intentional. The weird thing is that the destruction in the singularity Midgar is it's being destroyed but leaving it at the same time, like the purple tornados are ripping a copy of the terrain...like it can't be changed or something. Plus you see a ton of the lifestream particles, the same as when Aerith was visiting Cloud in the garden. I also found a weird thing in OG FF7, if you look at the original scene when Zack dies, the layout of Midgar is different, like the reactors how they count around Midgar are reversed and the damage to one sector is not one that should be damaged. However, it's an old game so that one could be just random Midgar backdrop for detail haha. It's just crazy to think that there's so many inconsistencies (the good kind) throughout ALL the games. I'm so excited for future parts!
Yeah i don't know about that yet, i remember people saying there is so much detail and evidence that points toward certain things when they came up with Kingdom hearts theories only to be totally wrong when KH 3 released. The only thing that is clear right now is that part 2 is years away and the plans they have for the story can massively change especially considering who is in charge of the story, you never know if we see a conclusion to certain plot points with this guy.
I definitely can't wait for part crossing the sea too Gold Saucer. And all the games i wonder how big the air ship going to be. And the mini games through out. Its going to be some big parts to the remake.
~20:57 You might be right. Nomura did play with fate, future, souls, and game mechanics as inworld physics in Parasite Eve: the second birthday. The ending is convoluted so I can't summarise it perfectly, but the heroine awakens shot at her own wedding after soldiers burst in and kill her loved one. She has no memory and a personality change. In the ending it is revealed that the amnesia and personality change was caused by her genetically engineered twin possessing her. The heroine went into the past to prevent the parasite being the sourve of the trouble from coming to life or sth. But by altering the past she prevented the organisation meant to stop it from forming. So she goes back another time and then she finds the time machine broken and herself unable to undo this. The ending with the wedding is convoluted but the heroine tells her sister to shoot her at the wedding. Only this way the loop will be restored. Her loved one notices he change, walks away and abandons the heroine at the altar. The player's knowledge of what happens is turned into a plotline the chars react to and try to change.
Very fascinating. The idea of Seiperoth using the life stream to travel to the midgar reminds me of Auron be able to travel to Tidus version of Zanderkand.
Your videos are always really solid no matter how far fetched some of these seem. This seems pretty spot on though... i like the idea and this Remake really has a lot of crazy story stuff happening that I can't wait to check out in more detail.
Those corridor of darkness seem more like Torsions from Final Fantasy DIssidia Opera Omnia, The fact that Aerith can close/purify them and sephiroth can open them are very similar to characters in DFFOO being able to open and close them base off of their will and memories.
I had suspected that this game was within the mako poisoning dreams that Cloud had while trapped under Nibelheim. That the last scene in the game was cloud "waking up." I am unsure how much time travel and "real" events were shown in FF7r1, but... I am pretty sure multiple "future sephiroths" and a "future Aerith" were trying to reach Cloud within the mako dreams
Reincarnation makes sense as a theme since the original was about life and death. It also ties ffx themes into it like the dream zanarkand vs the dream Midgar. I’m excited to see what’s up but most excited to play red and cait lol.
Interesting that the player of the game can also have a sense/pull into the story - was our nostalgia of the original all a dream? Do our minds remember the original (assuming we haven’t played it again recently)? We are reincarnated as well visiting this story from a different angle.
@@Rollbrand370 for a fictional character, Tifa has a STRONG fan base. Playing with their emotions is like tossing a lit match to a gasoline soaked nuclear warhead. Killing her would be cheap and completely transform FFVII into unknown territory. My joke is a better substitute, completely out of left field but checks out with the lore and far more psychologically distrubing for the player to conduct the deed itself. Don’t you think?
Aerith will die, just in a diffrent time and place probably. In the original she was supposed to die in the first visit to Northern Crater. Probably right after Cloud giving Sephiroth the black materia sending Cloud in to a even worse mental breakdown. Maybe they will do something like this to trick you into a false sense of security regarding aeriths death in order to replicate the feeling of great loss you felt in the original back in the days. If they dont change anything then you wont probably feel anything if she dies because you know its coming. Just my two cents.
@@Locomotion94 you're kinda right because Sqaure Enix is changing the story. Making us believe in different things. However, Tetsuya Nomura is adding plot points from not only Final Fantasy VII but from different sources the characters were in. Take advent children and Kingdom Hearts 2.
OKAY THIS HAS MADE ME REALIZE A BIG POSSIBILITY The theory that every change in this new "cognitive" lifestream/memory construct of the world stems from a desire that someone had in the original "real" world (at least before Aerith and Sephiroth start messing with it) would lead me to the conclusion that the Whispers have a slightly different purpose than we thought. If the purpose of this new world is to let all the souls in the lifestream live out their greatest desires, then it would be up to the whispers to make sure that all of the major events happen in spite of those changes, not just to make sure the original timeline happens exactly the same. In that case, maybe the Whispers actually needed Zack to live in order for the main events to happen?? As a side note, if Elfe from Before Crisis was able to live out her greatest desire, it would probably be to have stopped Fuhito's plan before he was able to even put it into action. Thus, she would be the true leader of AVALANCHE, and it would make sense for Barret's group to be labeled as "too extreme" for wanting to use one of Fuhito's old ideas (I think) of bombing the reactors. Also, Veld's desire would have probably been to save his daughter, so they likely found a way to get the materia out of her, and I'm guessing he would be working with Avalance now as well. I guess my point is, of all the theories I've heard, this one definitely is the best in terms of how many of Remake's changes to the original story it would explain.
They change so many different things from the big stuff to the subtle things that they could do anything with the rest of the remake and I am very excited about that. Erath can even live in this one like it was rumoured in ogu get her back.
I love this theory so much but I cant stop thinking about the different doggies in the crisps package that was very blatant, shoving on our face kinda which made me strongly believe in the alternate timelines theory... The whole Zack thing is the only thing throwing me off in this theory; like if we are talking about desires amplified, I don’t think he would go hiding when he wanted to get back to Aerith so bad and literally his last thought was of her as he died 🤔🤔
I just realized. A couple of months ago when I was playing Dirge of Cerberus some NPC told that Cid didn't build Shera, but it was found and it was probably built by unknown builders a long time ago. Is Shera airship from the Cetra era? 🤔😱
6:18 I'm going to have to disagree with you Pez. In OG FF7, as soon as the team gets out of Midgar, there's nothing but barren dirt road. It looks untouched. There's no expansion of City on the other side, just wasteland. images.app.goo.gl/dS3DduKpYaWgqHKp6
Pez, there is a scene in advent children where kidaj and rufus are talkjing before the behemoth fight, they talk about history inevitably repeating itself and rufus explains that sephiroth would be defeated again and again. it becomes quite clear from this scene alone that we are not dealing with just a single world but a universe hence the final scene in ff7R P1 with cloud and sephiroth being in literal space. The ancients are more than just people who can talk to the world, they hold the power to literally see and travel through time, this explains perfectly why only sephiroth and aeirth seem to be aware of the happenings, and the ghosts of fates and their understandings. The Plot of the remakes is a renewed story/history with changes that are completely different to the ff7 of the past which will mean that we can expect to some understanding that the outcomes will be different however much will remain the same
About the 2 different Midgars: Keep in mind that the first image is from a pre-rendered CGI cutscene that I'm assuming was handled by an external VFX house and the other is an in-game cutscene using the in-game assets made in-house by the dev team. I noticed a weird disconnect between the CGI cutscenes and the in-game stuff. In the CG stuff, Aerith's model looks completely different, her face and eyes look off and Cloud's skin looks really orange so it's possible that the details of Midgar have inconsistencies because of that. However since were dealing with potential alternate realities, chaos theory and multi-verse stuff, it's entirely possible that there is infact 2 Midgars (or many more), it would explain the 2 Stamp bags since the other Midgar could be Zack's reality which has it's own constants and variables. I'm still onboard with the alternate reality theory and think Square took heavy inspiration from Bioshock Infinite, a game that is also based on alternate realities, time loops and foreshadows its plot points in very subtle yet blatant ways.
Chances are they just forgot to render those outside the wall buildings though, or didn't think anyone would notice. Meanwhile, here's Pez making a whole video about that. God bless him.
Yeah reckon you could be right about this being another cycle of the story but a future one considering all the new technology. No one ever mentions the london phone box in the beginning. I'm pretty sure it isn't there in the original. Is it just a shout out to england? Or did they have to try and find a well recognised symbol that is glaringly stating this is not the same midgar you remember.
I found a theory video that I really like ( the video is called life stream theory ) . It may explains how Aerith and sephiroth traveled to the past through the life stream and what Aerith needs to do stop sephiroth from coming back from his death ( Aerith needs to destroy jenova by using her ultimate limit break called great gospel. Also known as healing rain ) . She did do this in advent children when the rain cured the people that had geo stigma . The same rain also desolved the 3 remnants of sephiroth ( also destroying jenova cells ) .
Something I missed/didn’t pick up during my first play through. ‘Sephiroth’ is lying about destiny and when the harbinger shows visions to the party and red says they’re (something along the lines of) ‘visions of the future IF we fail here today.’ He’s wrong - you’re being shown the original FF7 ending (the good ending - stopping sephiroth and meteor). So, the party in effect are helping sephiroth change fate by destroying the harbinger. This remake series is actually their own doing! Anyone else?
This may ultimately be disproven, but right now it is very plausible and each concept is backed up well with the established canon as reference. Great video!
Phenomenal video! Makes me want to replay the og again, although id still like to see the og remade, if not as a game than at least as an animated series? I was hoping crisis core and dirge of Cerberus getting some kind of inclusion in modernization
I only own a Nintendo switch but have always been a huge FF fan. I hope to play the remake at some point but until then will make do with as many of these Vids as I can watch!
Oh snap! Is it called ‘Remake’ not because it is a remake of the game, but because it is a sequel to the OG and in this sequel Sephiroth is trying to remake Midgar and the world?!
36:51 Norse mythology has this cycle, too. Sure, the old gods die, but Ragnarok (which also happens to be the name of Cloud's weapon) is not the definitive end. The gods' children take up the mantle and rule over a new world.
One other comment is the scene where the Fate 'tornado' was swirling around the crane, it wasn't necessarily destroying anything. If you look closely, it looks like it actually duplicates anything in its path.
for the ones who played final fantasy tactic, there is Cloud as a playable charactor and Aeris apears too... but also a picture of a ruined version of Midgar as a prise for sidequest exploration and Goug machine city where Mustadio come from is actualy Gongaga the home town of Zack... so who or what is Lucavi (the last boss of fft)??? is she the real name of Jenova or maby the daughter of Sephiroth??? or even an evil version of Mareline who would have cought the geostigmat??? Lucavi is a wigned woman that sleeps in the core of the planet for millenas and need a suitable body (the body of Alma Beoulve the sister of Ramza) to return to existance... she was probabily sent there in the time of ff7 or after but not before, she was sent there by St Ajoras and his twelves knights holders of the zodiac stones (maby a link why Sephiroth and Jenova stats are differents if you use or not the materia "Knights of the round")... and there is no mention what so ever of the meteor or having two moons or any events of ff7 in fftactic... just like if everyone in ff 7 had suddently rejected their homes and forgot their past... and waited until most of the ruines were burried and started from scrach on top of it... to become the world of ff tactic... and further more become ff 12 and his sequels... i mean the time line was already set no??? maby all this will anser why peoples of Gaya suddently passed from an industrial time to a medieval time... i mean if Shinra find a new green and safe energy and the world is now safe, that would not transform the futuristic world into a pre industrial state... Ramza Beoulve would have lived in a world more like Zanarkand and not a world like lord of the ring... or maby Cloud finaly beat Sephiroth phisical and spiritual shape for good at the price of the reset of the technology and ff tactic is the battle against Jenova??? or maby Square Enix will just forget ff tactic references to ff7... and wont connect thoses games any further...
This time the flower girl will live rather than die. This time Sephiroth’s hate will die differently and realize his Mom is actually human Lucrecia former lab partner of hojo JUST SAYIN
So the big issue I have with the theories about Sephiroth coming from post AC is that Nomura and co. have said NONE of the compilation will make it’s way into the remake. It’s going on the OG story only.
Actually it was quite the opposite, they said it wasn't going to keep the universe stuff canonical but it was gonna make pulls from it. Hence the kids are alright characters appearing in part 1 of the remake. The compilation is absolutely in play, just with no clearly defined rules
I've beaten the game thrice and i've also been listening to tons of podcasts with tons of theories. My brain just now started to hurt with the amount of ideas that I have in my head, and it's making me so anxious for the following parts.
Pez, you, Max Dood and Sleepezi seriously need to do a video/podcast/something together about all your theorizing. Minds and/or pants will be blown off lol. (probably both ^.^)
As evidenced when Aerith says "The future is not written or set in stone, like a blank page." Thus alluding to the Time Paradoxical dilemma, 'The future's not set.' as quoted by John Connor and his son Kyle Reese
Thanks for the video pez. Was a true joy. Hope you're doing well. Any more videos or maybe a video about your expectations for the remake? Is there more about wutai that we havent discovered or maybe glossed over? Do you think angeal or genesis will make appearance? Cheers
if these whispers are really souls that once have existed in ff7 then at 18:28 there is that whisper that looked Cloud and Cloud dşdnt actually pull his sword, maybe that whisper was Zacks or his mothers. because he did react to that whisper getting so close to him
It's very interesting coming back to this video after Intermission was released, with Zack being shown in what looks like the Sector 5 church from OG much like Midgar here.
I hope this is 100% the case. It makes the context for not only the remake but some of the extended universe games mean something different. It would mean that it's possible that crisis core and before crisis are both simultaneously prequels and sequels. They are events that happened before the original but are probably representations that occurred in subsequent iterations. It makes it as if sephiroth is the main character and each game is a different instance he arrived in at a different point in his life and understanding of his purpose and abilities which would explain why technology in Crisis Core appears to be more advanced than OG and AC, about equal to DoC and Remake and why it appears he may have been resurrected.
That all said that would mean there are as many Midgard as there are times Sepbiroth pressed the Reset button and Crisis Core was probably the one where he made the most mistakes because those mistakes resulted in triggering Minerva, creating Genesis and Weiss, waking up Prime Chaos, and buffing tf out of Zack who has not gone on ignorant since that point.
That theory that Midgar might be a fake Midgar, where it's like construct built for the inhabitants has similarities to The Matrix, whereas the Matrix was a construct built by the machines to keep humans compliant and obedient, and basically kept under tight watch!
You might have missed some of the comments going around but that scene with the 'yellow flower' of the cosmos was actually confirmed to be a shape replicating Safer Sephiroth in Ultimania.
Bugenhagen also said that even without Shinra the planet was on course to its death, destroying the mako reactors would only delay its life a little bit... So, if they wanna be saved, perhaps they should learn what Lightning did on FFXIII? Or resume the space program as there seem to be a lot of planets in that system.
Fyi it's rare knowledge but FF10 shinra is the founder of shinra in FF7 however, the ppl of ff10 planet hop at some point to the planet where they met the cetra aka FF7 planet.
Pez, remake isnt called that cos its a 'remake', no it IS Sephiroths remake - his RE-DO of the past. This makes so much sense. This is the other hidden meaning Nomura was hinting at but wouldnt speak of... yet.
Aerith is a future sight seer, and can talk to the planet. Aerith is a reincarnation and Marle is the future Marle(ne). And if you completed the VR simulator thing in the Shinra bldg, Chadley is a robot built by Shinra for research purposes. Like in KH, there is *one* sky, *one* destiny. Also, my theory is that Marle(ne) has become retired owning Stargazers heights and hides Sephiroth clones to gain access to getting back at her mom Aerith, who I think that Zack may be the father.
I still think it's a dream. When Cloud goes to sleep after Jessie's mission Sephiroth tells him "Dream the sweetest Dreams" and he suddenly wakes up to the swarming arbiters that they can all see suddenly and obviously the arbiters changed fate through the story after that but what if its the memory loss the errors in his memory are of Sephiroths doing and it's making him weaker? He goads Cloud to get stronger through the game but I think Sephiroth is just trying to claim him as he pushes onward to get stronger. Eventually once the group somehow shatters the illusion and he remembers the truth, Sephiroth will lose his hold and cloud will become stronger than before. I'm probably wrong but watching that scene over and over and noticing the dialogue after the arbiters attack it just seem too...convenient. Small facts like Barret wasnt mad at all to get cloud back on the team, the way they all encourage him completely (right after they all celebrated without him) almost like an imagining (or DREAM) of him wanting to belong to them. Just seems very off to me.
The original final fantasy 7 was a vision that Aeris had looking into the mako pipe. This one opens with her looking at the pipe therefore we “played the vision” and now the remake is playing the “now”.
Multiple time loops. FF7 for PS is the starting time loop. Aerith starts FF7 looking into the Lifestream and in the last few frames of the game shows Aerith looking into the Lifestream. FF7R begins in the next loop with that same finalle Aerith looking into the Lifestream at flashes of events from FF7. Both she and Sephiroth (and now Cloud) have information from the future, causing the timeline to deviate. The Whispers were the force through which Time prevents the unravelling of original events, but they're gone now. TLDR: Buff gave himself a gambling book.
What if remake is happening in Cloud’s head while he’s Mideel, suffering from Mako Poisoning? Lol I don’t think it would go over very well with players if that happens.
Don't forget in the original OG scripts for FF7 three main characters were meant to die, Barret, Aerith and number 3 which I can't remember so maybe they are putting in the OG original scripts they never used with a little jazz i.e Barret being stabbed but surviving due to a whisper that's just another theory of mine
Here is my theory: FF7 Remake / Finale will be the BEST ending for the fans. The whispers. Who survived in Remake and who doesn't in OG? Cloud's short vision of Aerith death in OG! Red13 vision. Remake is full of little hints. Zack. My conclusion: The OG ending was actually a bad ending. It's on point why they named "part 1" Remake and not Midgar, nor chapter 1. I can't wait for the name of "part 2". This time team Cloud doesn't only battle to save the planet. They are now able to fight against their own fates.
i'd argue if your theory has weight, the space is not so much an illusion as it is actually reality, being reconstructed by sephiroth sending memories to his past selves steinsgate style
"one or two Midgars? its a small price to pay" Hojo, when prepping the Sister Ray for second shot... might be leaning towards him being VASTLY different in future parts.
Pez, Aerith is waking up from a vision at the final shot of OG FF7. The remake is her trying to change fate, while the whispers try and stop her. Meanwhile sephiroth is also trying to change fate. It's as if Aerith and Sephiroth are playing a time and space chess match, and I love it.
Xehanort and Eraqus
Meaning, Aerith might have to survive to the end of the chess match, or at least be always present in some form.
@@randinoms6149
~Aerith does preserve herself within the lifestream, and it's through her own choice, or she could simply become one with the planet, and ending her very existence, but she never chooses too, because she needs help dealing with Sephiroth first, how does one truly defeat Sephiroth? and yeah Aerith can return to the planets surface demonstrated in ACC or On a way to a Smile illustrated in the Lifestream White. I, II, III, as herself or as another individual, which puts a stop to the reincarnation theory, lol.
If reincarnation is the case for remake part one how do you explain Chadley a AI created by Hojo?
And also wanna add it doesn't matter if Cloud is killed in remake, Sephiroth would still exist within the lifestream, creating remnants like he did Kadaj, Loz, Yazoo through is own will and not through the will of the planet itself.
If he existed in the lifestream, after Clouds death, the more the pure lifestream (White Lifestream) becomes impure (Black Lifestream) As Sephiroth would say "Choking it and corroding it"~
So how does reincarnation fit into truly destroying Sephiroth, and him wanting Cloud to complete his reunion with Sephiroth as to allow Sephiroth gaining his physical form again, and what has reincarnation got to do with changing destiny?
Anything to debunk parallel timeloops, I guess! parellel timeloops also means that with timeloops it doesn't essentially mean that all the compilation occurred in the same timeloop. In remake there is 3 Aeriths, ACC, CC, OG Aerith.
Now with the true Jenova in charge of destiny for part 2 the reincarnation theory is now pointless, another way to debunk reincarnation theory or being recreated through the knowledge and memories of the lfestream itself. It could all be an illusion created by Jenova. Zacks fate changed, remember he has J-Cells and can't become apart of the lifestream or the planet again, because of his J-Cells, so his fate has been changed thanks to Jenova herself. This reincarnation theory has so many loop holes for it to properly work, lol.
Sorry about the long comment you would be more interested in the 1st two or three paragraph. 😆
I'm going to say it once more in remake we have 3 Aeriths, ACC, CC, OG Aerith. "I Need to tend to the flowers ME, MYSELF, AND I. Which only strengthen timeloop theory and the compilation never occurring on the same timeline as OG FFVII.
My issue with this theory is that advent children hasn't happened on that final scene of og ff7 so Sephiroth should not have his wings on ff7r, unless Sephiroth went back into the ff7r timeline whereas aerith woke up from the final scene of og ff7 instead of going back to the original opening of ff7
so its like a sequel to the first ff7, but a matchup between aerith and sephiroth on trying to change the past .. present and future's faith ! very interesting, inspired by theories of consciousness, the spirit that is eternal, the ancients probably had knowledge of eternal creation , i hope we will come back to the village of the ancients in the next episode. and maybe Zach will be a playable character ! that would be cool
So you're telling me that the Sephiroth in this game is the Sephiroth from Advent children when he left and he was like I'll never be a memory... He just went back to the beginning of the game...👁️👄👁️
Yup, well kind of yeah.
Yes
Yeah
Shit man, if all this is actually spot on then we didn't just get a remake we got a sequel.
Also it really fit's Sephiroth's character and his line "I will never be a memory"... time and space really can't stop the dude, even chased Cloud over to smash lol
Pretty sure it's already been confirmed to be a sequel
And chases him to kingdom hearts lol
@Radio Kaos they hint at it
can't be a remake and a sequel remake means the first didnt happen they remade it. so it can't be both its either a remake or a sequel
@@rayznbread603 that's exactly why I say it isnt a remake
Nobody’s talking about how, at the start of Remake when Cloud has the iconic memory of Sephiroth standing in burning Nibelheim, he’s holding the masamune the wrong way around.
I think the reincarnation/cycle theory is supported by this scene between Rufus and Kadaj in Advent Children:
Rufus: Hm. The nightmare returns.
Kadaj: As long as you exist, the nightmares will come again and again.
Rufus: The Lifestream courses through our world… ever flowing between the edge of life and death. If that cycle is the very truth of life, then history, too, will inevitably repeat itself. Go on, bring your Jenovas and your Sephiroths. Cause trouble till your heart’s content. We’ll do as life mandates, we promise. We won’t let you win and we’ll stop you.
Great point .
I love when someone quotes something cryptic that I have forgotten about and that makes so much damn sense in context.
Remake Midgar is clearly the summoned memory of the (destroyed) Classic Midgar, brought into existence by Yu Yevon, which will vanish when Sin is defeated by Yuna...
What??
Jecht theme plays🤘
@@MasterofTheUniverse1337 It's a joke, son.
Lmao if the last game doesn’t have dream zanarkand I’ll rage
@@xheraltNobody can tell with this fandom anymore.
"Made it through with just a couple scraped knees back then eh?"
"Back then?"
@Aaron9 oh I thought it was Zidane. lol that was rude im sorry. But yes you are correct. It was the "real" cloud, referencing the time he fell with Tifa, I think. It's just funny how it kind of fits with this narrative, IF it weren't in the OG FF7.
@@derricktarver6100 dude, right!? Thank you. That is exactly the message I was trying to get across. Damn Im happy you showed up lol
@@derricktarver6100 lol hey it happens. Still it helped my point tho. Right on either way. Happy new years friend, I hope yours is a great one. Stay safe n take care.
@Sofa King and so the game dont really give a shit about you too
@Sofa King ya your missin out dude. Remake is a fuckin masterpiece and builds on everything the original had. Makes the characters better n more relatable, they actually act like people. The story is largely the exact same, save for a crazy huge twist that reallu does put everything you know about remake and og into question. That fuckin game is beyond incredible, and if you like the original, you are doing yourself a huge disservice by not playing remake.
PEZ! IMGONNABLOWYOURMIND: You know the scene that everyone says Seph freezes Aerith in time? Ive played that segment over and over in slomo, and if you look closely, Aerith actually closes her mouth and changes facial expression in the last frame. IMO, she felt, and reacted to Sephiroth touching her shoulder. It's almost as if she's choosing not to tell Cloud that she can see him too.
Also if you look closely she doesnt freeze, more like slows down, her hair is still moving too
the way they set things up at the end of part 1 makes me think that maybe the outcome of Zack's battle with the Shinra troops changed because of something Cloud did at the "Edge of Creation" after Sephiroth left, though I doubt Zack would go into hiding and not somehow send Aerith a message that he was in fact alive
But then again if he is alive and left the sword with Cloud somewhere in the slums it could be in an attempt to fake his death and throw Shinra of his trail while he secretly aids Avalanche under a different name to bring them down so he can finally stop hiding and be free
It would be pretty insane if Zack shows up at the last second and saves Aerith from dying the way she did in the OG and confirms this "remake" of the planets memories theory, and also lends a hand in helping Cloud get his own memories back in order
i like this one.. I played the OG but correct me if im wrong, i dont remember they are having another team of avalanche (or maybe they have and i didnt pay attention) helping them. aahahaha. sorry for my bad english.
@@wishboneplayedgames9802 nah. They weren't as... Aggressive for that? Or something like that.
This is a pretty solid theory. Makes me appreciate the remake even more.
Would also be cool if Nomura read and watched videos of these theories and got inspired by them. It’s really really good! One of the best theories so far. Thanks for posting this video. It’s really really good.
@@chrisrudling9795 I mean, the hope is that we are picking up on intentional hints that eventually lead to the confirmation of these theories as the games progress. Not that Nomura wrote a bunch of bull shit, and then changes the story based on fan theories. I agree that this is an excellent video though.
I think "Zanarkand" Midgar manifests at Sephiroth's will and he chooses for its "cycle" to start at the moment in time that Aerith opens her eyes at the alley. Every soul/memory that lived in the OG Midgar when OG FF7 started also manifests in this dream-Midgar, but ONLY from the point of that alley onwards. Hence, Cloud practically spawns on the train and has not slept anywhere in dream-Midgar yet. This is why he has to get shown around and introduced. By extension, Zack doesn't even manifest in dream-Midgar because he was not alive in OG Midgar by the start of the game. He appears in Remake, but not in dream-Midgar. This is the only thing that makes sense to me concerning where the hell cloud slept in Remake. I had to accept that something is really going on when you mentioned that detail.
I still think the theory even goes back to the OG. For me it's the scene at the end with Aerith that mirrors the beginning of the game and Remake just continues after that. And while I don't think they planned this far ahead it makes a good foundation for spinning the Remakes story in such a direction.
A1MT: DID ANYONE NOTICE everytime someone got stabbed (Barrett, Prez Shinra, etc), there wasn't any blood, but looks like "ashes" or "dust"? So, what does that mean? Is everyone already dead? And no one's aware accept Seph and Aerith? That we're not just experiencing an alternate timeline, but a continious loop? What would be your interpretation of this?
All in all remake is Götterdämnerung
Dude, I get freaking cold chills every single time I watch one of your theory videos, especially at the of your videos, how you conclude them.....DAMN, you're good, please keep up the good work man😁✊👍
This gives me chills. I've already supported a theory close to this one. But more focused around Aerith. Being that in summary the OG was her vision of what is to come through the lifestream. Hence why we she her kneeling down at the lifestream at the beginning and end in the OG. Thus, making the remake her living this out. Making the needed changes to save more of humanity. A lot of other things with the visions and midgar as shared and similar in both.
Pez be thinkin deep about them final fantasy plots lol.
Its the new fan fiction lol
Well Pez is a very thoughtful candy that thinks about everything.
After years following Pez and playing FF games... I just learned at this point. You never truly understand the plots and it’s almost tiresome trying to. Just enjoy the feels.
@@garbagepeasant3437 people like different things. Some people are satisfied with the superficial emotional drama of a final fantasy title. Some prefer untangling the puzzle-like plot. Both are perfectly fine, there’s nothing wrong with either preference.
When I seen the ancient paintings on that wall with the people that had on robes, now that we get a good look at them, when I look at that wall, I see the old summoners that used to take part in the pilgrimage to save the world from sin. If 7 and 10 are connected then Yunalesca, Braska and Yuna are the ancient summoners that protected the world. 8 seems to be connected to this universe too, and with Ultimacia there is a distortion of time because of what she did. It might have us all come back to FF VIII at one point because of that, and if things really get messed up, we might even see characters that exist in the far future or far past, in the current present not knowing how they got there. So many possibilities.
I love the idea of this secondary midgar (mindblown!) being a parallel with the FFX Dream Zanarkand and the life stream echoing the Fayth. That would be such a clever subtle tie-in.
When someone tells me they dislike FF7R because it wasn't a 1:1 recreation and 'they changed too much,' I'm going to point them to this video. It perfectly verbalizes what I've been trying to since I saw the credits roll. Good work.
I do have one minor gripe (it doesn't really change anything, but I feel like it's worth mentioning if only because of what it could maybe mean). The part about the way the Cetra are depicted in the original versus the remake - I don't think it's fair to take that VR promo at face value over the depictions we saw in the Temple of the Ancients, unless whoever made it did so with express knowledge of their history. The entire thing felt like propaganda, an idealized version of what the Cetra could have been like to appeal to whatever Platelet happened to be watching that demonstration at the time, airships and all. That said, if that VR reel is anywhere close to accurate, the implications all pretty much fall in line with the theory overall.
Too be fair, while I totally get why alot of people like the remake and can acknowledge it's merits. I do hate the narrative about the 1:1 remake. Most people who don't like the Remake(myself included) didn't want a 1:1 remake. We just wanted an actual remake not a reboot, sequel, ect, ect. Too be honest alot of the minor changes and areas the fleshed out in the Remake, I did enjoy. I didn't expect a PS1 game to be remade shot for shot on PS4. I just didn't want them to make an actual different game. But, even still, if they had been more transparent about it and hadn't been so adamant they WERE making a proper remake, and I went into the game with the proper expectations, I may have appreciated it more. Anyways, rant over. This video was really good, and an interesting take.
@@heflitothev-hog3730 The transparency thing, I get. Making informed game purchases is hard enough with story-driven games without spoiling yourself, never mind one from a dev that's intentionally misleading. Factor in the reverence for the first game, and yeah, I get it. What I don't get is, expectations aside, why a continuation of FF7 is such a bad thing.
The way I see it, what we got is a marriage between the original FF7 Compilation stuff and new content. Very rarely is a remake of any story-driven media completely faithful to its source material, so what consumers are often left with is the choice of accepting character changes, plot retcons, and general revisions of the existing canon that they already know and love, or hating them. With FF7R though, the originals are preserved. If any of the timeline/parallel realms/lifestream construct shenanigans theories are correct, no canon is overwritten, and the story and characters instead evolve and continue without alienating the original base. That, to me, is almost always preferable to changing existing stories and characters to suit a modern remake--but that's also purely my opinion, and there's definitely something here that I'm not seeing, so instead just leaving it at that, I thought I'd actually ask you (and anyone else that wants to answer):
Why do you prefer a remake over a sequel? Is this your preference generally, or just as far as FF7 is concerned? Did you dislike what they're doing in FF7R? Is it just not what you wanted? Is it more complicated than any of that?
19:11 49 can can also be read as the Japanese 4 & 9, or 'shiku', which has a ton of thematic potential as it can be interpreted as ' to take position/catch up with(The Reunion), to occur repeatedly or be repeated( to your point) or the four kinds of suffering: birth, old age, disease & death. Great vid!
And thus my love for FFVII Remake expands even more
You just blew my mind when you pointed out the different Midgar in the singularity that doesn't have the houses developed beyond the wall....
The amount of thought that went into this game is freakin NUTS!
I'll bet this will happen in the remake at some point.
Shinra: We've dropped a section of the city on top of another section of the city. Man we're messed up.
Sephiroth: Hold my mother. *Summons and drops OG Midgar on top of Remake Midgar.*
"Hold my mother" the way I had to stop myself from snorting.
Just realized those 3 Cetra groups in Aerith's drawing might very well be Black, Red and White Mages (which Aerith basically is)
As a lover of Final Fantasy, this is a compelling theory in my mind. It might also explain why ffxiii and ffxv are completely different. Leaving no trace of the other. Depending on how this goes, it is what leads to the creation of one of these timelines.
its because ffxii and ff15 are totally separate worlds? ff13 is Pulse and ff15 is Eos. I think maybe you are getting confused because they both fall under fabula nova crystalis but that docent mean they are in the same world. the games that are part of the fabula nova chrysalis all have similar themes and borrow ideas from one another, so ff13, ff type-0, ff Agito all have L'cie, Fal'cie, a trio of primary deities in pulse, lideze and Bhunivelze. despite all this ff13, type 0 take places in different worlds with Agito being the exception as it was a prequel of sorts to type 0. ff15 was designed to be similar where it would have l'cie and fal'cie and the trio of gods but due to the fan backlash of confusing terms such as l'cie and fal'cie they pretty much removed all mention of them. the woman on the ff15 logo was originally Etro the goddess of death again tying ff15 to FNC, despite all of this they were never set in the same world
Part two begins, we see the ending scene of part 1, the camera slowly pans out to show we were on the stage of the Golden Saucer the entire time and it was all literally a play. Young Noctis applauds, then walks out of the theater, eager to begin his roadtrip, but gasps when he realizes he has been whisked to another world, he then hears a voice in his head . . . "save Sora" Boom. Title screen drops for FF7 but it shatters and becomes Kingdom Hearts: Versus Quadratum Verum Rex.
I was with you until you had to go and throw Kingdom Hearts in there. Now I'm. . . Well I'm not so much with you.
Then the title fades to black. A white cross cuts away. We see Cloud and Sephiroth fighting in a deserty canyon. Sephiroth throws out a Pokeball revealing Pichu. Cloud looks in shock. He uses Pheonix down and suddenly.... *splashscreen* Sora unlocks his way to Smash. Making the entire FF7 canonical lore leading up to Kingdom Hearts 4 and everyone has to play every single part for details just like with the Kingdom Hearts mobile games. As well as Smash becomes canonical for Kingdom Hearts lore and if you don't play every single game that crosses over with Smash you will be lost in Kingdom Hearts 4.
This is why modern square is garbage. Its fans.
That's some high concentration of cancer right here, delicious.
That new Smash Ultimate Aerith Theme is FIRE!!!
As far as Midgar's design itself being different...just look at how it appears from the ground. If you look up at the reactors, you'll notice they're much taller than they should be. And the large door with the black and yellow caution colors is basically missing when you're roaming around Ch. 14. While your theory could explain why the design is inconsistent, but I'd say it's more due to how they probably have multiple different models of the city. The version from the FMV is different than the skybox renders we see in game. Not sure why though. That seems like a very odd way to "hint" at the idea of multiple Midgars when the first thing that comes to mind is that they made a mistake with the renders and consistency.
And I think the Cetra settlement having the 8 pillars was probably just Shinra propaganda. They basically believe the world belongs to them...so why not make an obvious parallel to the Cetra in their VR hologram so the average person in the FF7 world will be all "oh, of course. Shinra is good and right."
The parallels with FFX are so apparent with the two different Midgars and the dreamspace theory. At first I thought maybe it was a lazy development thing, but the details are too many for it not to be intentional. The weird thing is that the destruction in the singularity Midgar is it's being destroyed but leaving it at the same time, like the purple tornados are ripping a copy of the terrain...like it can't be changed or something. Plus you see a ton of the lifestream particles, the same as when Aerith was visiting Cloud in the garden. I also found a weird thing in OG FF7, if you look at the original scene when Zack dies, the layout of Midgar is different, like the reactors how they count around Midgar are reversed and the damage to one sector is not one that should be damaged. However, it's an old game so that one could be just random Midgar backdrop for detail haha. It's just crazy to think that there's so many inconsistencies (the good kind) throughout ALL the games. I'm so excited for future parts!
Yeah i don't know about that yet, i remember people saying there is so much detail and evidence that points toward certain things when they came up with Kingdom hearts theories only to be totally wrong when KH 3 released. The only thing that is clear right now is that part 2 is years away and the plans they have for the story can massively change especially considering who is in charge of the story, you never know if we see a conclusion to certain plot points with this guy.
I definitely can't wait for part crossing the sea too Gold Saucer. And all the games i wonder how big the air ship going to be. And the mini games through out. Its going to be some big parts to the remake.
Can't wait for part 2 😉🙂
~20:57 You might be right. Nomura did play with fate, future, souls, and game mechanics as inworld physics in Parasite Eve: the second birthday. The ending is convoluted so I can't summarise it perfectly, but the heroine awakens shot at her own wedding after soldiers burst in and kill her loved one. She has no memory and a personality change. In the ending it is revealed that the amnesia and personality change was caused by her genetically engineered twin possessing her. The heroine went into the past to prevent the parasite being the sourve of the trouble from coming to life or sth. But by altering the past she prevented the organisation meant to stop it from forming. So she goes back another time and then she finds the time machine broken and herself unable to undo this. The ending with the wedding is convoluted but the heroine tells her sister to shoot her at the wedding. Only this way the loop will be restored. Her loved one notices he change, walks away and abandons the heroine at the altar.
The player's knowledge of what happens is turned into a plotline the chars react to and try to change.
Ur videos are always epic in a crazy way but this video is good stuff man.
Very fascinating. The idea of Seiperoth using the life stream to travel to the midgar reminds me of Auron be able to travel to Tidus version of Zanderkand.
Your videos are always really solid no matter how far fetched some of these seem. This seems pretty spot on though... i like the idea and this Remake really has a lot of crazy story stuff happening that I can't wait to check out in more detail.
Square surfing on youtube: "Shit. This is good. Write that down."
Tbh this is prolly why they encourage us to theorize because of what they said that they are exited on what theories fans will have
Those corridor of darkness seem more like Torsions from Final Fantasy DIssidia Opera Omnia, The fact that Aerith can close/purify them and sephiroth can open them are very similar to characters in DFFOO being able to open and close them base off of their will and memories.
I had suspected that this game was within the mako poisoning dreams that Cloud had while trapped under Nibelheim. That the last scene in the game was cloud "waking up." I am unsure how much time travel and "real" events were shown in FF7r1, but... I am pretty sure multiple "future sephiroths" and a "future Aerith" were trying to reach Cloud within the mako dreams
Reincarnation makes sense as a theme since the original was about life and death. It also ties ffx themes into it like the dream zanarkand vs the dream Midgar. I’m excited to see what’s up but most excited to play red and cait lol.
Interesting that the player of the game can also have a sense/pull into the story - was our nostalgia of the original all a dream? Do our minds remember the original (assuming we haven’t played it again recently)? We are reincarnated as well visiting this story from a different angle.
SE: “Don’t worry, Sephiroth won’t kill Aerith.”
Fans: “Yaaay!”
Sephiroth: *turns Aerith into a JENOVA monster.*
SE: *”YOU* do it.”
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I have a feeling Tifa might die this time. I don't want that but it could be possible.
@@Rollbrand370 for a fictional character, Tifa has a STRONG fan base. Playing with their emotions is like tossing a lit match to a gasoline soaked nuclear warhead. Killing her would be cheap and completely transform FFVII into unknown territory. My joke is a better substitute, completely out of left field but checks out with the lore and far more psychologically distrubing for the player to conduct the deed itself. Don’t you think?
Aerith will die, just in a diffrent time and place probably. In the original she was supposed to die in the first visit to Northern Crater. Probably right after Cloud giving Sephiroth the black materia sending Cloud in to a even worse mental breakdown.
Maybe they will do something like this to trick you into a false sense of security regarding aeriths death in order to replicate the feeling of great loss you felt in the original back in the days.
If they dont change anything then you wont probably feel anything if she dies because you know its coming. Just my two cents.
@@holitinne sure just one question, did you play the last of us part 2?
@@Locomotion94 you're kinda right because Sqaure Enix is changing the story. Making us believe in different things. However, Tetsuya Nomura is adding plot points from not only Final Fantasy VII but from different sources the characters were in. Take advent children and Kingdom Hearts 2.
I really enjoy watching the streams you make. I hope to catch them all of this game or other games you play. keep up the great work you are doing
OKAY THIS HAS MADE ME REALIZE A BIG POSSIBILITY
The theory that every change in this new "cognitive" lifestream/memory construct of the world stems from a desire that someone had in the original "real" world (at least before Aerith and Sephiroth start messing with it) would lead me to the conclusion that the Whispers have a slightly different purpose than we thought. If the purpose of this new world is to let all the souls in the lifestream live out their greatest desires, then it would be up to the whispers to make sure that all of the major events happen in spite of those changes, not just to make sure the original timeline happens exactly the same. In that case, maybe the Whispers actually needed Zack to live in order for the main events to happen??
As a side note, if Elfe from Before Crisis was able to live out her greatest desire, it would probably be to have stopped Fuhito's plan before he was able to even put it into action. Thus, she would be the true leader of AVALANCHE, and it would make sense for Barret's group to be labeled as "too extreme" for wanting to use one of Fuhito's old ideas (I think) of bombing the reactors. Also, Veld's desire would have probably been to save his daughter, so they likely found a way to get the materia out of her, and I'm guessing he would be working with Avalance now as well.
I guess my point is, of all the theories I've heard, this one definitely is the best in terms of how many of Remake's changes to the original story it would explain.
They change so many different things from the big stuff to the subtle things that they could do anything with the rest of the remake and I am very excited about that. Erath can even live in this one like it was rumoured in ogu get her back.
I love this theory so much but I cant stop thinking about the different doggies in the crisps package that was very blatant, shoving on our face kinda which made me strongly believe in the alternate timelines theory... The whole Zack thing is the only thing throwing me off in this theory; like if we are talking about desires amplified, I don’t think he would go hiding when he wanted to get back to Aerith so bad and literally his last thought was of her as he died 🤔🤔
I just realized. A couple of months ago when I was playing Dirge of Cerberus some NPC told that Cid didn't build Shera, but it was found and it was probably built by unknown builders a long time ago. Is Shera airship from the Cetra era? 🤔😱
There is a whole article about it on lifestream .com or .net or whatever the site's name, google it, nice read for an evening
Plot twist: your playing as the simulation Cloud, from the model of Midgar Shinra was making....
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I'm going to have to disagree with you Pez.
In OG FF7, as soon as the team gets out of Midgar, there's nothing but barren dirt road. It looks untouched.
There's no expansion of City on the other side, just wasteland.
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Pez, there is a scene in advent children where kidaj and rufus are talkjing before the behemoth fight, they talk about history inevitably repeating itself and rufus explains that sephiroth would be defeated again and again.
it becomes quite clear from this scene alone that we are not dealing with just a single world but a universe hence the final scene in ff7R P1 with cloud and sephiroth being in literal space. The ancients are more than just people who can talk to the world, they hold the power to literally see and travel through time, this explains perfectly why only sephiroth and aeirth seem to be aware of the happenings, and the ghosts of fates and their understandings.
The Plot of the remakes is a renewed story/history with changes that are completely different to the ff7 of the past which will mean that we can expect to some understanding that the outcomes will be different however much will remain the same
Think they'll bring in Angeal? I'd love to see him and Genesis, but unless they redo him from the ground up, it's a no go.
Appreciate the shoutout my dude!
What is the stinking vocal arrangement of Aerith's Theme at the 16 minute mark? Breathtaking!
About the 2 different Midgars: Keep in mind that the first image is from a pre-rendered CGI cutscene that I'm assuming was handled by an external VFX house and the other is an in-game cutscene using the in-game assets made in-house by the dev team. I noticed a weird disconnect between the CGI cutscenes and the in-game stuff. In the CG stuff, Aerith's model looks completely different, her face and eyes look off and Cloud's skin looks really orange so it's possible that the details of Midgar have inconsistencies because of that.
However since were dealing with potential alternate realities, chaos theory and multi-verse stuff, it's entirely possible that there is infact 2 Midgars (or many more), it would explain the 2 Stamp bags since the other Midgar could be Zack's reality which has it's own constants and variables. I'm still onboard with the alternate reality theory and think Square took heavy inspiration from Bioshock Infinite, a game that is also based on alternate realities, time loops and foreshadows its plot points in very subtle yet blatant ways.
Chances are they just forgot to render those outside the wall buildings though, or didn't think anyone would notice. Meanwhile, here's Pez making a whole video about that. God bless him.
Aaron
Uh... The reactors are different too, dude.
@@Ukaran Simulator glitch...
"nothing shall forestall my return"
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I thought he was referring to his mother, Jenova.
Yeah reckon you could be right about this being another cycle of the story but a future one considering all the new technology. No one ever mentions the london phone box in the beginning. I'm pretty sure it isn't there in the original. Is it just a shout out to england? Or did they have to try and find a well recognised symbol that is glaringly stating this is not the same midgar you remember.
caaan someone give me the link to the aerith cover in the beggining? that song rendition is amazing.
I found a theory video that I really like ( the video is called life stream theory ) . It may explains how Aerith and sephiroth traveled to the past through the life stream and what Aerith needs to do stop sephiroth from coming back from his death ( Aerith needs to destroy jenova by using her ultimate limit break called great gospel. Also known as healing rain ) . She did do this in advent children when the rain cured the people that had geo stigma . The same rain also desolved the 3 remnants of sephiroth ( also destroying jenova cells ) .
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Something I missed/didn’t pick up during my first play through. ‘Sephiroth’ is lying about destiny and when the harbinger shows visions to the party and red says they’re (something along the lines of) ‘visions of the future IF we fail here today.’ He’s wrong - you’re being shown the original FF7 ending (the good ending - stopping sephiroth and meteor). So, the party in effect are helping sephiroth change fate by destroying the harbinger. This remake series is actually their own doing! Anyone else?
Midgar is jenova and it feeds off of nostalgia.
This may ultimately be disproven, but right now it is very plausible and each concept is backed up well with the established canon as reference.
Great video!
Phenomenal video! Makes me want to replay the og again, although id still like to see the og remade, if not as a game than at least as an animated series? I was hoping crisis core and dirge of Cerberus getting some kind of inclusion in modernization
An FF7 anime would be insane
Wait till 23 more years
I only own a Nintendo switch but have always been a huge FF fan. I hope to play the remake at some point but until then will make do with as many of these Vids as I can watch!
Oh snap! Is it called ‘Remake’ not because it is a remake of the game, but because it is a sequel to the OG and in this sequel Sephiroth is trying to remake Midgar and the world?!
36:51 Norse mythology has this cycle, too. Sure, the old gods die, but Ragnarok (which also happens to be the name of Cloud's weapon) is not the definitive end. The gods' children take up the mantle and rule over a new world.
One other comment is the scene where the Fate 'tornado' was swirling around the crane, it wasn't necessarily destroying anything. If you look closely, it looks like it actually duplicates anything in its path.
for the ones who played final fantasy tactic, there is Cloud as a playable charactor and Aeris apears too... but also a picture of a ruined version of Midgar as a prise for sidequest exploration and Goug machine city where Mustadio come from is actualy Gongaga the home town of Zack... so who or what is Lucavi (the last boss of fft)??? is she the real name of Jenova or maby the daughter of Sephiroth??? or even an evil version of Mareline who would have cought the geostigmat??? Lucavi is a wigned woman that sleeps in the core of the planet for millenas and need a suitable body (the body of Alma Beoulve the sister of Ramza) to return to existance... she was probabily sent there in the time of ff7 or after but not before, she was sent there by St Ajoras and his twelves knights holders of the zodiac stones (maby a link why Sephiroth and Jenova stats are differents if you use or not the materia "Knights of the round")... and there is no mention what so ever of the meteor or having two moons or any events of ff7 in fftactic...
just like if everyone in ff 7 had suddently rejected their homes and forgot their past... and waited until most of the ruines were burried and started from scrach on top of it... to become the world of ff tactic... and further more become ff 12 and his sequels... i mean the time line was already set no???
maby all this will anser why peoples of Gaya suddently passed from an industrial time to a medieval time... i mean if Shinra find a new green and safe energy and the world is now safe, that would not transform the futuristic world into a pre industrial state... Ramza Beoulve would have lived in a world more like Zanarkand and not a world like lord of the ring... or maby Cloud finaly beat Sephiroth phisical and spiritual shape for good at the price of the reset of the technology and ff tactic is the battle against Jenova???
or maby Square Enix will just forget ff tactic references to ff7... and wont connect thoses games any further...
This time the flower girl will live rather than die. This time Sephiroth’s hate will die differently and realize his Mom is actually human Lucrecia former lab partner of hojo JUST SAYIN
So the big issue I have with the theories about Sephiroth coming from post AC is that Nomura and co. have said NONE of the compilation will make it’s way into the remake. It’s going on the OG story only.
Actually it was quite the opposite, they said it wasn't going to keep the universe stuff canonical but it was gonna make pulls from it. Hence the kids are alright characters appearing in part 1 of the remake. The compilation is absolutely in play, just with no clearly defined rules
I've beaten the game thrice and i've also been listening to tons of podcasts with tons of theories. My brain just now started to hurt with the amount of ideas that I have in my head, and it's making me so anxious for the following parts.
I have yet to find a game with an interesting mythos half as interesting as what some RUclipsrs come up with.
Well..
Og ff7 was hella crazy with some of it twists at time of its release
Pez, you, Max Dood and Sleepezi seriously need to do a video/podcast/something together about all your theorizing. Minds and/or pants will be blown off lol. (probably both ^.^)
Still waiting on your Jenovah video. PEZ
I love your theories man you’ve got me sold
Does Bugenhagen float around on an orb is his body just weird ive been confused about that dude since 97
I have a feeling that advent children will be a part of the game if they will recreate the original ff7 timeline
Actually he went on record stating it isnt part of official timeline anymore....bs I call
As evidenced when Aerith says "The future is not written or set in stone, like a blank page." Thus alluding to the Time Paradoxical dilemma, 'The future's not set.' as quoted by John Connor and his son Kyle Reese
Thanks for the video pez. Was a true joy. Hope you're doing well. Any more videos or maybe a video about your expectations for the remake? Is there more about wutai that we havent discovered or maybe glossed over? Do you think angeal or genesis will make appearance? Cheers
if these whispers are really souls that once have existed in ff7 then at 18:28 there is that whisper that looked Cloud and Cloud dşdnt actually pull his sword, maybe that whisper was Zacks or his mothers. because he did react to that whisper getting so close to him
It's very interesting coming back to this video after Intermission was released, with Zack being shown in what looks like the Sector 5 church from OG much like Midgar here.
Was it really the church? Or was it the afterlife? I think the church is a portal into the lifestream for dead souls
@@millionshadesofdarkness2165 I love this idea way more than alternate timelines
I hope this is 100% the case. It makes the context for not only the remake but some of the extended universe games mean something different. It would mean that it's possible that crisis core and before crisis are both simultaneously prequels and sequels. They are events that happened before the original but are probably representations that occurred in subsequent iterations. It makes it as if sephiroth is the main character and each game is a different instance he arrived in at a different point in his life and understanding of his purpose and abilities which would explain why technology in Crisis Core appears to be more advanced than OG and AC, about equal to DoC and Remake and why it appears he may have been resurrected.
That all said that would mean there are as many Midgard as there are times Sepbiroth pressed the Reset button and Crisis Core was probably the one where he made the most mistakes because those mistakes resulted in triggering Minerva, creating Genesis and Weiss, waking up Prime Chaos, and buffing tf out of Zack who has not gone on ignorant since that point.
That theory that Midgar might be a fake Midgar, where it's like construct built for the inhabitants has similarities to The Matrix, whereas the Matrix was a construct built by the machines to keep humans compliant and obedient, and basically kept under tight watch!
You might have missed some of the comments going around but that scene with the 'yellow flower' of the cosmos was actually confirmed to be a shape replicating Safer Sephiroth in Ultimania.
Bugenhagen also said that even without Shinra the planet was on course to its death, destroying the mako reactors would only delay its life a little bit...
So, if they wanna be saved, perhaps they should learn what Lightning did on FFXIII? Or resume the space program as there seem to be a lot of planets in that system.
Fyi it's rare knowledge but FF10 shinra is the founder of shinra in FF7 however, the ppl of ff10 planet hop at some point to the planet where they met the cetra aka FF7 planet.
Pez, remake isnt called that cos its a 'remake', no it IS Sephiroths remake - his RE-DO of the past. This makes so much sense. This is the other hidden meaning Nomura was hinting at but wouldnt speak of... yet.
Aerith is a future sight seer, and can talk to the planet. Aerith is a reincarnation and Marle is the future Marle(ne). And if you completed the VR simulator thing in the Shinra bldg, Chadley is a robot built by Shinra for research purposes. Like in KH, there is *one* sky, *one* destiny. Also, my theory is that Marle(ne) has become retired owning Stargazers heights and hides Sephiroth clones to gain access to getting back at her mom Aerith, who I think that Zack may be the father.
I still think it's a dream. When Cloud goes to sleep after Jessie's mission Sephiroth tells him "Dream the sweetest Dreams" and he suddenly wakes up to the swarming arbiters that they can all see suddenly and obviously the arbiters changed fate through the story after that but what if its the memory loss the errors in his memory are of Sephiroths doing and it's making him weaker? He goads Cloud to get stronger through the game but I think Sephiroth is just trying to claim him as he pushes onward to get stronger. Eventually once the group somehow shatters the illusion and he remembers the truth, Sephiroth will lose his hold and cloud will become stronger than before. I'm probably wrong but watching that scene over and over and noticing the dialogue after the arbiters attack it just seem too...convenient. Small facts like Barret wasnt mad at all to get cloud back on the team, the way they all encourage him completely (right after they all celebrated without him) almost like an imagining (or DREAM) of him wanting to belong to them. Just seems very off to me.
The original final fantasy 7 was a vision that Aeris had looking into the mako pipe. This one opens with her looking at the pipe therefore we “played the vision” and now the remake is playing the “now”.
This is possibly the most coherent theory about the game i've heard so far
I figured this was the intended understanding when I played through the game. Dead giveaway for me was the description of the harbingers at the end.
Multiple time loops. FF7 for PS is the starting time loop. Aerith starts FF7 looking into the Lifestream and in the last few frames of the game shows Aerith looking into the Lifestream. FF7R begins in the next loop with that same finalle Aerith looking into the Lifestream at flashes of events from FF7. Both she and Sephiroth (and now Cloud) have information from the future, causing the timeline to deviate. The Whispers were the force through which Time prevents the unravelling of original events, but they're gone now.
TLDR: Buff gave himself a gambling book.
What if remake is happening in Cloud’s head while he’s Mideel, suffering from Mako Poisoning? Lol I don’t think it would go over very well with players if that happens.
That'd actually make so much sense! But at the same it wouldn't lol.
Don't forget in the original OG scripts for FF7 three main characters were meant to die, Barret, Aerith and number 3 which I can't remember so maybe they are putting in the OG original scripts they never used with a little jazz i.e Barret being stabbed but surviving due to a whisper that's just another theory of mine
What if "Remake" didn't stand for "this is a remake of an old game"?
This. Are people seriously gonna believe the next Game is named Part 2? After they wondered why the First wasn't named Part 1?
@@pasi22222 Like come on, it's freaking Nomura lol. Wouldn't be surprised if the next one had a different word that starts with "Re".
@@DonaldFromKingdomHearts ff7 return
Return and Reunion are my top picks
Here is my theory:
FF7 Remake / Finale will be the BEST ending for the fans.
The whispers.
Who survived in Remake and who doesn't in OG?
Cloud's short vision of Aerith death in OG!
Red13 vision. Remake is full of little hints.
Zack.
My conclusion:
The OG ending was actually a bad ending.
It's on point why they named "part 1" Remake and not Midgar, nor chapter 1.
I can't wait for the name of "part 2".
This time team Cloud doesn't only battle to save the planet.
They are now able to fight against their own fates.
i'd argue if your theory has weight, the space is not so much an illusion as it is actually reality, being reconstructed by sephiroth sending memories to his past selves steinsgate style
I love your theories so much!
Please! Someone help me! What is the name of the Marlene & Tifa train graveyard theme?
11:06 wild bark of house dog in the lifestream
"one or two Midgars? its a small price to pay" Hojo, when prepping the Sister Ray for second shot... might be leaning towards him being VASTLY different in future parts.