@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom " Denial of equal rights based on their ethnicity... yeah, thats illegal." I can't go up there either, and it has nothing to do with my ethnicity. Quit crying
I posted this before and many many locals jumped all over me, clearly because I hit a nerve and they know what I wrote is true. I could care less what they think. If TMT is stopped, protesters celebrate on the mountain and pule for a few days a week maybe then they drive down (On the road provided by the Fake State) turn left on Saddle Road, go down the hill, turn right or left on Komohana St. Get home, get a shower. Then what? Back to EXACTLY the same. And Hawaii has lost the most amazing piece of astronomical equipment the planet / human species could have had and for what? For people to drive back into Hilo and go home to more of the same. They get back to Hilo, have some Pau Hana, some potlucks, green bottles and poke, hug, laugh, tears of joy, celebrate. Then what? THEN WHAT? Sovereignty is still as far off as ever, unobtainable and as confusing as ever. Is the state that they resent going to be in the mood to have dialogue with protesters. Not a chance.
Thank you for sharing this video. Very informative. I am following this news from Cali. I stand with the people of Hawaii and of course, I stand with Mauna Kea! For those who support this telescope, perhaps you might do some further research, on the matter. This issue is about about many dif. things, one being the basic right's of the people of Hawaii, their land, it's about respecting nature, the eco system, the people's water source and their voices. Mauna Kea is a sacred space. For those who don't understand what "sacred" means please research that too. It's easy to make blanketed statements, but unless you really understand the whole issue, it's best to learn more first. It's a very complex issue, one which deserves respect, I feel.
Spot on (to some degree) Much to it. Here's something to consider. TMT is enhancing educational opportunities that are unobtainable in other parts of the world. It is difficult to imagine that Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop would not support an initiative like the Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT). Her legacy’s support reiterates the importance of blending Hawaiian culture and western science; which is already coexisting on Mauna Kea. It should not be seen as either / or, as it provides educational opportunities for our keiki (Children) and scientific discovery for the world. Education, of which Pauahi cherished, offers people hope and opportunity for our Hawaiian future.TMT has NOTHING to do with Hawaiian Sovereignty. It is an easy target for those feeling left out of the discussion. The conservation district is 11,200 acres. HUGE AREA!! TMT needs 6 acres. TINY AREA compared. This amounts to 0.01% of the reserve. Is this the destruction of The sacred Mauna? Not even remotely close. Native Hawaiians were asked to come to the table and refused. Sovereignty is the issue not TMT. What are the protesters offering to help Hawaii. Not a damn thing, NOTHING.
Money was already exchanged, I am willing to bet on that. State doesn’t want to get sued but oh well, they shouldn’t have guaranteed something they have no authority to guarantee.
Thats the shitty part. Its been to the Supreme court and approved. Hate to say it, but this sudden influx of protectors/protestors should of been at those hearings many years ago, but they weren't. There were a core group of people, including this woman, who has been fighting against TMT since the start many years ago. If as much people responded to whats happening now back then, then we wouldn't be in this mess. Social media played a large part in it. It created a society where there's A LOT of talk, but no action or execution. If they were really dedicated to protect Mauna Kea, they wouldve been there standing side by side 5-10 years ago when this and other observatory projects first started.
My family is from Oahu’s windward side. With no ability to supplement, we work to feed our families and to pay our mortgages. When it’s all said and done 3 million plus for a single family home after interest. Just so we can keep our Ohana together. So it has consumed all our time. I see now if there’s ever gonna be change we need to get out the western rat race and back to our cultural foundation. I apologize for being so distanced and late to the game, but we find many new ways to help the fight. No matter what the result we will be better and stronger for it.
A mountain can never be injured. Its just dirt and rock and imaginary subjective boundaries. Its a concept. Hawaiians wouldnt even have the wheel or a written language without others.
M W Mauna Kea’s forest reserve acreage is 52,500 acres. The TMT will occupy less than 6 acres within the 525 acres of the approved “Astronomy Precinct,” which sits well inside the 11,228 acres of the designated “Science Reserve” allocated for a range of projects that are strictly moderated for specific uses, all of which help to protect and preserve Hawaiian lands. This means the TMT takes up less than 0.01% of the preserve, which is itself a mere fraction of the total area and mass of the entire Mauna from sea floor to summit. I’m pretty confident Pele can handle that just fine and not even flinch.
@@kakela2883 The voting system is faulty.. And must be secured severely.. From abuse. How do u think thrump got his position? Let's say our people do run for office? Wouldn't more of "us" vote?? 😂 😉 🍿 💖✊🗻✊
@@rwssmith5975 Is a regular snake 🐍. We've chatted many of times. He is unable to understand the stance we have taken in regard to our mauna. Not that he can't... But that he won't. This tells u he has something to lose. A paid tmt$ snake 🐍.
The TMT takes up less than 0.01% of the entire preserve. The preserve itself is a mere fraction of the Mauna’s entire area and mass from sea floor to summit. What’s more is that this technology is literally protecting our entire planet against threats both terrestrial and celestial. If Hawaiians want to go down as a people so stubbornly unwillingly to join the world, in creating some of the most essential and cutting edge technologies in history, while also imperiling all life on Earth - and the Earth itself - then this is the way to do it. Environmentalism will be as useful as a rudderless ship without astronomy, and specifically astronomy in Hawaii, which has the empyrean global locations for facilitating the advancements of this tech and all mankind. Any religion that can’t see fit to coexist with astronomy (the oldest science in history) needs to do some serious soul searching.
So brash you guys don't ever try to understand our side because your amazing country feeds you bullshit, same you are as the people who followed Hitler, fucked over women, colored people, etc what you are not seeing here is that you are being lied to. Its so sad. Here you have the chance to be great people but they have you so horribly manipulated that you think were nothing but a bunch of monsters. That is what thw powers that be have always done, only when you question and understamd the scapegoats you are made to believe are evil will you rise as a people and say no we are only hurting ourselves. This whole thing, whether you choose to see it or not, is EXACTLY that. Come to Hawaii, ill buy you a Goddamn ticket if I have to, just come see it for yourself. Were normal people, not fanatics. Imagine your grandmother seeing that you've done nothing but become blind, sacrifice her life so that you can live free of such powerful control, and what you just sit and watch her die? No you say fuck these people who hurt her and you be a man and stand the fuck up and fight, even if you lose. America has clouded your mind. You all make good points but truly you are missing the real one. It doesnt matter, if you wanna keep being a puppet go right ahead, its only gonna hurt yourself in the end, as for us, no. We have balls to stand up, maybe you all could learn a thing or two of what you all should be doing yourselves. But you are programmed to fear and that same fear is why you are here ranting to us. Its so funny, because until that thing started getting publicly recognized you would have seen us on the street and never thought twice. Were not monsters we aren't trying to make it difficult and were not against the whole world, just America and you all should be too. Its become a joke to the rest of the world, and its the blind people like yourself who is obviously passionate and cares a great deal of your own values that need to wake up here and just question, am I really thinkng this? Or is it the elite few messing with our heads and pitting us against each other. Ill make it easy. Its the second one. I dont need to explain myself if you have a brain use it? Have you EVER been told the truth? The answer is NO. You and us are the same. Weve been lied to all our lives to keep us in line and while there are people who gladly can do that hawaiians know better, becuse in our lifetime we have seen things done that you or any body out on mainland would never see or believe unless you did. Its sad, I respect science, I'm not against it but you are designed to believe we are. And I mean designed. You are not a product of your own imagining. You are a product of the good ole never did anything evil ever USA.. Sad thing is you dont see straight this is like talking to drunk people i swear. No offense,but if you only knew...trust me if you only knew..
@M W automatic that's all we can do lol. Now we get to watch our destruction in 4k surround sound brah instead of being oblivious and having a good day that day. now we get to stress out for our last hours lol. And people gonna be like shoot it down with the TMT laser, den da scientists go brah, its just a telescope... Everyone going be fuuuuuuuck!!!!! Thanks you faka TMT fo nevah do nothing! Lol
M W if you studied astronomy instead of wasting time arguing what you don’t understand you’d know. The strategy is to divert the asteroid, not destroy it. And an asteroid a mere one mile wide is big enough to kill everyone on every island and along every coast in the Pacific should it impact the ocean. An asteroid the size of the Aloha Stadium kills almost everyone in Hawaii. Get the picture? We already have the technology necessary to move asteroids off course. But we have to see them coming.
alexaleman16 all wrong. The point is not to p blow it up but to move it off course. That’s all that’s necessary and we already have that technology. But we have to see it. An asteroid as small as the Aloha Stadium kills everyone in Hawaii if it hits the Pacific. The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was only six miles across. Stop getting your information from Hollywood.
@@shacktime its a joke idiot how smart are you if you don't read between the lines? If dumbasses up there using that thing are smart as you were fucked and the world not Hawaiians. Beside i got an ace up my sleeve talk shit all you want. Doesnt matter now its already working what ive done you are only fueling it with your words. You'll see soon enough. And no I'm not dumb. I program for a living and just like say thank you and your buddies for give me a great idea.. 😘
The system of money, and what is defined as progress, both create ill affects upon not treating others, and respecting their traditional ways. TMT Project can be built in the Canary Islands. In EH&S - you engineer out the hazard. The TMT is a hazard to Hawaiians’ sacred mountain. Ku Kia’i Mauna!
History has shown that Might makes Right. Whoever has the most guns wins. Winter is coming soon. Don’t freeze your asses off sleeping in your cars at night. Sad but true...
Oh we've protested all that shit. Since I was a kid I remember going to all these things watching hawaiians bad together not knowing a damn thing about how to do it right, they just knew what little they did and tried thier best, it just never was heard or never enough. You have no idea. You really don't. But its not your fault you were lied to and brainwashed just like they did to my grandpas generation, we learned more and more how to have a chance at getting as much of our lives back as we could and from that we are now here. This isn't some stupid game. These are normal people up there just like you. You think its funny to be how America wants you to be all macho and gijoe kine bullshit, but imagine this shit happening to your kids, and against those odds knowing that you have no chance you stand to protect them. well that's what we are going through and have gone through. this is no matter to be taken lightly and I advise you to watch yourself and your words before you speak if you don't know our side then don't speak as if you do please and Mahalo
When you make claims you assume the burden of proof. Dont do that. Just clarify the inconsistencies in their claims. Kim doesnt mention it because its powerless
Pisciotta is the President of the Mauna Kea Anaina Hou group, which made the following opposition statement to the TMT Project Conservation Development Use Application: *_"We object to any telescope to continue its existence beyond the 2033 lease termination."_* That's not a reasonable compromise or a win-win for both parties. They want ALL observatories to be removed from Mauna Kea by 2033. It's going to take 8-10 years to build TMT. By the time TMT is operational and sees first light, it would be time for its decommission. That's a very hardline, lopsided negotiation strategy.
No, they weren't speaking of the Keck or Subaru. In their TMT opposition statement to the TMT CDUA, section _8. The Life Of The TMT Extends 23 Years Beyond The General Lease_ of their 9 page statement, they clearly stated, *"We object to any telescope to continue its existence beyond the 2033 lease termination."* They don't want the TMT since its construction would take 8-10 years, operate for 50 years (construction time included), and it's sub-lease period would extend beyond the end of the current master lease's end date of 2033. They want ALL telescopes to be REMOVED after the current master lease expires. That's not a compromise, but a line-in-the-sand, hardline position.
@Aloha They have compromised to remove five telescopes in exchange for one new one. The Notice to Proceed has two legal, binding and enforceable special conditions: SC10 requires the removal and restoration of 3 telescopes to nature and SC11 requires the selection of 2 more telescopes for decommission - all by 2033. That's a great compromise!
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom There are currently three telescopes that are in a state of decommissioning, working on their Site Decommission Plan and Process, and they are as follows: 1) Caltech Submillimeter Observatory, 2) University of Hawaii Hoku Kea, and 3) United Kingdom Infrared Telescope. Two more observatories will be selected for decommissioning.
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom The TMT Notice to Proceed has the following special permit conditions: *SC10:* The University will decommission three telescopes permanently, as soon as reasonably possible, and no new observatories will be constructed on those sites. This commitment will be_legally binding_ on the University and _shall be included in any lease renewal or extension_ proposed by the University for Mauna Kea. *SC11:* _Notwithstanding any lease renewal or extension, consistent with the Decommissioning Plan,_ at least two additional facilities will be permanently decommissioned by December 31, 2033, including the Very Long Baseline Array Antenna and at least one additional observatory.
Kiaora my sista, thank you for re-inforcing what instincts, my wairua (spirit) and my heart has been SCREAMING out to me through the years. They don't give a fk about us, and the obvious difference is WE DO, peace n love kanaka whanau
Ronins, you talk crap on every single video discussing TMT. Such a clown, trying to spark division amongst conversation. HOW ARE WE SCRAMBLING IF WE ALREADY HAD THE SOLUTIONS IN 2001. YOUR POINT MAKES NO SENSE.
@@kakela2883 don't choke on your own words my man! Someome might shove that shit down your throat!!! Hard words for choke on!!! #A'OLEimuaTMT MORE LIKE #IhopeTMT NO PLACE FOR TMT IN HAWAIIAN LANDS!!!
FAHQBITZ SukkmyDick yes, of course. Because the only way you can conduct a conversation is to intimidate and threaten people. If, in your world, might makes right then you have lost all battles to the colonists you despise. Maybe hypocrisy isn’t the best strategy, eh?
There are many stakeholders in this public policy issue (kanaka, Hawaiian citizens, TMT, State of Hawaii, partner countries). The right holders are the native Hawaiian beneficiaries and the general public. The Hawaiian Admissions Act states the the land trust can also be used for public development for the greater good. The observatories satisfy that criteria for use based on public good. The kanaka are _very important,_ but they aren't the sole beneficiary of the land trust. The public also is a rightholder. The telescopes advance human understanding, explore the beauty of nature, promote education, drive useful technology development and protect the planet from cosmic threats (such as asteroids that can cause city level or cataclysmic destruction). There is plenty of room on the mauna for culture and science to coexist.
I agree with plenty of room. Seems there is no negotiating, just our way or nothing. Let's say the tmt is going in. What does it take in return to make the others happy?
@@christopherwebber1104 They wont be happy. There's a core group of about 1000 people who will disrupt/protest the entire process. Construction is slated to be atleast 5 years, and every day of it, there will be a core group of native hawaiians there to stop them. There is no compromise other than not building. TMT knew this, and were warned about it and thought that a court ruling will solve it. It won't. The natives and their opinions werent taken into consideration when this project first started, and was ignored.
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom well let's see some compromise, what if they demo 4 existing telescopes for the one. I hear Hawaiian lands owns the roads they say. Well then they have to pay for all the work done on it to this point and then maintain it. Then we get to the crap peacefull protest. Blocking the road or throwing rocks in the road or anything of the type helps nothing except making Hawaiians look bad.
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom Here are the TMT and astronomy maunakea management compromises: - They are removing and restoring 3 observatories and identifying 2 more for decommission by 2033. Once a site has been decommissioned and restored to nature, no new development can happen on the old site. This agreement is legally binding and enforceable by the special conditions (SC10 and SC11) of the TMT Permit and Notice to Proceed.
Ten Thousand Waves of Gratitude For Ewe*** Mahalo Tymes AH'Million***Evermoore What She Juss Well Said, IZ TRUTH***Always Forever Evermoore Ambassadora's Sacred Gateway To Pacific Portals***Scot's RITE'She Bee True***
From the dirt.. We came.. Papa. From Heaven.. We came.. Wakea. To continue desecration.. Is like desecrating anyone's religion.. Any other Nations beliefs. Like Buddha.. Etc. Aole tmt. 😢😡😩😵😡 I as a Christian.. Would not do this to my people. I believe in a good and just God. Thank you Jesus.
Aloha Aina if you’re a Christian you’re in gross violation of your own faith. According to Jesus Hawaiian gods are false and idolatry of a mountain is forbidden. You need to read your Bible.
Aloha Aina you don’t know a damned thing about your own religion. You cannot serve two masters. That’s straight from the mouth of Christ. Either you have zero reading comprehension skills or you never actually read your Bible.
AOLE NO MORE COMPROMISING 125+ YRS IS ENUFF...NO MORE AOLE. Hold tight Hawaiians stand strong keep praying. ige born n raised here but got no hawaiian in him, hes all haole no culture in his heart
aint it a shame when a gov threatens its own people with deadly force thou they are peaceful. and what about california, why do they have a dog in this hunt, is it socialism delussionalism again or what. may karma shit on the greedy and may they liv their days in shame.
They don’t pay rent cause they give free observation time to UH (some scopes up to 15% of observation time) this woman is not a expert and not a credible source of information.
Kakela... Shame brah I checked your account, tell me people: do people normally have only 3 videos on a playlist for their entire years watching RUclips? Or does it not seem like tjis guy was planted there to troll on kiai? Look him up. Picture of some dumb haole on a mountain, one video about black holes and two videos on tmts khom2... Hmm I smell a rat.. Kakela... "The that?" Is that the hawaiian translation? Really tnt if you're gonna pretend to be us then get your Hawaiian words straight, everyone knows us hawaiians either get haole name with one Hawaiian name thrown in or like 50 names lol credential this and that, you're a fucking robot! Go delete your shit and come back as a real person then maybe ill listen to your dumbass bullshit.
alexaleman16 sorry Alex just standing up for what I believe, not a robot, not even in the astronomy field. I made my account private and you only see the videos I favorited and I never really do that.
@@kakela2883 well you need to understand that to us these people are doing nothing short of maintaining military occupation and doing all this illegal shit to us since I was born. I grew up watching these people die trying to keep our traditions and culture going, this is very serious and while you are entitled to your own view I advise you to tread very lightly here with your comments we are a sovereign people who take this shit extremely seriously and to make light of it is not only fucking insanely offensive but it is not your fight. It is ours so stay out unless you're ready to die by your words. I am. And I will if I fucking have to this is for my family and children and our future generations not a fucking stupid game of who's right wrong or smarter I advise you to never comment these unless your willing to be killed I over it. To us its that serious. Just is. We are dealing with extinction on a massive level not only plants amd animals but ourselves and for us this is us fighting for our lives, I don't expect you to understand a lick of that, but that is how it is for us. Aloha
Aloha I stopped reading your comments cause most the time they are filled with fictional information. I can’t remember the last time I actually read one of your replies that was more then a sentence.
This thing was going to be the size of a football field. The government is paid likely from tourist ....the tourist come one time and then come back because of the culture of the people who survived the occupancy of a different culture. The out come of this should favor the original cultural belief if you want to use it as a pay check. And also because it won't matter by the time it is built we will have much better telascopes in orbit with much less cost and damage to a already stressed ecosystem. You know.. the thing that keeps even government and scientist alive with the rest of us..haha why can't someone see it this way ...its beyond me . I am all for respect and the right thing . This has to do with the real law of humanity and not the man made ones ,that only some have to follow aprently. So many broken treaties with different cultures . How is it that the tallest mountain top in the world and such a overly stated cultural sacred space become for only some and not the whole world.? Not even the survived Hawaiian people who use dance as sign language to pay respect to the gods and tell stories have the right to stop anyone else to be up there and see the world from this place. Sure they can protect it from harm but not from the people of the world .to be up there where it belongs to everyone because of the fact that it is one of a kind. Now on the other mountains you should build a rail gun from the sea to the mountains top and make wave generators power it to launch none living objects into space , like maybe a telascope...haha. the whole of the Islands could become so wealthy if they made this. Thanks.
Michale Walker this response is muddled. Our people aren’t stopping anyone from going up the mountain. Going there isn’t the problem, using dynamite to blow it up is a problem. Carving out a gigantic hole is a problem. Whether cultural or scientific, it’s wrong. Hula is not sign language to the gods. Most Hawaiians don’t sell out our culture. That’s the government. You sound uneducated in this subject.
This what I mean by talk story!! Kanaka Maole rise up!! Knowlwdge n understanding. Mana O kaleo!! E maponopono!! Voice our power n make things right!!!
30 dislikes from our favorite trolls @RONINS @KAKELA and all our other unnamed TMT supporters!!! I'm pretty sure you seen them in here!!! Gotta love trolls they don't get enough from what I read on here! #aole #tmt #all #day #every #day #pau #simpo
You are absolutely correct. Don’t let any politician or anyone fool you or scam an fraud the movement. This is more then just about the Mauna. It’s about the hawaiian peoples freedom an sovereignty to govern themselves. Just like the communists China is doing to the people in Hong Kong. Its the same movement. Its not just about TMT. Its about the hawaiian people freedom an sovereignty too! Never give in
State doesnt OWN nothing, WE THE HAWAIIANS OWN WE CAN TAKE CARE OF HER. IF THE LINK IS BROKE TUTU PELE WILL SPEW AGAIN W MORE POWER NEXT TIME. She loves all of you sacrificing your time, fighting for her, standing w her...mahalo to you
Looking forward to the TMT. AND I am grateful for this protest, as it exposes the racism in Hawaii
Nazi detected.
It’s true, this is bringing this worst out of our community.
@@kakela2883u can always go back to where you came!!!
who ask you to move here you jus showed up think u get a say lol takes one to know one...
@M W sure it does.
www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/hawaii-suffering-racial-prejudice
If first rule is to remove the injury then the roadblock should be removed.
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom " Denial of equal rights based on their ethnicity... yeah, thats illegal."
I can't go up there either, and it has nothing to do with my ethnicity. Quit crying
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom Boo Hoo. Get off the cross we need the wood. How's the "VICTIM" thing working for ya?
I posted this before and many many locals jumped all over me, clearly because I hit a nerve and they know what I wrote is true. I could care less what they think. If TMT is stopped, protesters celebrate on the mountain and pule for a few days a week maybe then they drive down (On the road provided by the Fake State) turn left on Saddle Road, go down the hill, turn right or left on Komohana St. Get home, get a shower. Then what? Back to EXACTLY the same. And Hawaii has lost the most amazing piece of astronomical equipment the planet / human species could have had and for what? For people to drive back into Hilo and go home to more of the same. They get back to Hilo, have some Pau Hana, some potlucks, green bottles and poke, hug, laugh, tears of joy, celebrate. Then what? THEN WHAT? Sovereignty is still as far off as ever, unobtainable and as confusing as ever. Is the state that they resent going to be in the mood to have dialogue with protesters. Not a chance.
Thank you! Please make that document available on Amazon
Thank you for sharing this video. Very informative. I am following this news from Cali. I stand with the people of Hawaii and of course, I stand with Mauna Kea! For those who support this telescope, perhaps you might do some further research, on the matter. This issue is about about many dif. things, one being the basic right's of the people of Hawaii, their land, it's about respecting nature, the eco system, the people's water source and their voices. Mauna Kea is a sacred space. For those who don't understand what "sacred" means please research that too. It's easy to make blanketed statements, but unless you really understand the whole issue, it's best to learn more first. It's a very complex issue, one which deserves respect, I feel.
Spot on (to some degree) Much to it. Here's something to consider. TMT is enhancing educational opportunities that are unobtainable in other parts of the world.
It is difficult to imagine that Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop would not support an initiative like the Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT). Her legacy’s support reiterates the importance of blending Hawaiian culture and western science; which is already coexisting on Mauna Kea. It should not be seen as either / or, as it provides educational opportunities for our keiki (Children) and scientific discovery for the world. Education, of which Pauahi cherished, offers people hope and opportunity for our Hawaiian future.TMT has NOTHING to do with Hawaiian Sovereignty. It is an easy target for those feeling left out of the discussion. The conservation district is 11,200 acres. HUGE AREA!! TMT needs 6 acres. TINY AREA compared. This amounts to 0.01% of the reserve. Is this the destruction of The sacred Mauna? Not even remotely close. Native Hawaiians were asked to come to the table and refused. Sovereignty is the issue not TMT. What are the protesters offering to help Hawaii. Not a damn thing, NOTHING.
Money was already exchanged, I am willing to bet on that. State doesn’t want to get sued but oh well, they shouldn’t have guaranteed something they have no authority to guarantee.
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Follow Truth this is mind blowing if reality. Thank you for the references.
Thats the shitty part. Its been to the Supreme court and approved. Hate to say it, but this sudden influx of protectors/protestors should of been at those hearings many years ago, but they weren't. There were a core group of people, including this woman, who has been fighting against TMT since the start many years ago. If as much people responded to whats happening now back then, then we wouldn't be in this mess. Social media played a large part in it. It created a society where there's A LOT of talk, but no action or execution. If they were really dedicated to protect Mauna Kea, they wouldve been there standing side by side 5-10 years ago when this and other observatory projects first started.
Mugshot Marley Yes I must say that I had no idea the struggles they have been fighting for so long.
My family is from Oahu’s windward side. With no ability to supplement, we work to feed our families and to pay our mortgages. When it’s all said and done 3 million plus for a single family home after interest. Just so we can keep our Ohana together. So it has consumed all our time. I see now if there’s ever gonna be change we need to get out the western rat race and back to our cultural foundation. I apologize for being so distanced and late to the game, but we find many new ways to help the fight. No matter what the result we will be better and stronger for it.
You can't injure a mountain with a telescope. Duh.
@M W one cant prove a negative dummy lol... Fuckin logic 101
A mountain can never be injured. Its just dirt and rock and imaginary subjective boundaries. Its a concept. Hawaiians wouldnt even have the wheel or a written language without others.
@M W are you nuts ? it's HUGE !!! LOL !!! it would take a nuke or a large mining operation or a big nuke to kill that Mauna !!!
M W Mauna Kea’s forest reserve acreage is 52,500 acres. The TMT will occupy less than 6 acres within the 525 acres of the approved “Astronomy Precinct,” which sits well inside the 11,228 acres of the designated “Science Reserve” allocated for a range of projects that are strictly moderated for specific uses, all of which help to protect and preserve Hawaiian lands.
This means the TMT takes up less than 0.01% of the preserve, which is itself a mere fraction of the total area and mass of the entire Mauna from sea floor to summit.
I’m pretty confident Pele can handle that just fine and not even flinch.
Kia'i.. We need to run for office.
Also need massive fundraising.
Problem is locals don't vote. Half of them can't even read. Good luck with that.
Ronins most don’t vote but it’s not true about not being able to read, it’s insanely rude.
@@rwssmith5975
Not your issue ron. 👌😂🤣🤙
No worriesss 😂 😉
@@kakela2883
The voting system is faulty.. And must be secured severely.. From abuse. How do u think thrump got his position?
Let's say our people do run for office? Wouldn't more of "us" vote??
😂 😉 🍿 💖✊🗻✊
@@rwssmith5975
Is a regular snake 🐍. We've chatted many of times.
He is unable to understand the stance we have taken in regard to our mauna. Not that he can't... But that he won't. This tells u he has something to lose. A paid tmt$ snake 🐍.
What to do since 1968? Apples and oranges?
The TMT takes up less than 0.01% of the entire preserve. The preserve itself is a mere fraction of the Mauna’s entire area and mass from sea floor to summit. What’s more is that this technology is literally protecting our entire planet against threats both terrestrial and celestial.
If Hawaiians want to go down as a people so stubbornly unwillingly to join the world, in creating some of the most essential and cutting edge technologies in history, while also imperiling all life on Earth - and the Earth itself - then this is the way to do it.
Environmentalism will be as useful as a rudderless ship without astronomy, and specifically astronomy in Hawaii, which has the empyrean global locations for facilitating the advancements of this tech and all mankind.
Any religion that can’t see fit to coexist with astronomy (the oldest science in history) needs to do some serious soul searching.
So brash you guys don't ever try to understand our side because your amazing country feeds you bullshit, same you are as the people who followed Hitler, fucked over women, colored people, etc what you are not seeing here is that you are being lied to. Its so sad. Here you have the chance to be great people but they have you so horribly manipulated that you think were nothing but a bunch of monsters. That is what thw powers that be have always done, only when you question and understamd the scapegoats you are made to believe are evil will you rise as a people and say no we are only hurting ourselves. This whole thing, whether you choose to see it or not, is EXACTLY that. Come to Hawaii, ill buy you a Goddamn ticket if I have to, just come see it for yourself. Were normal people, not fanatics. Imagine your grandmother seeing that you've done nothing but become blind, sacrifice her life so that you can live free of such powerful control, and what you just sit and watch her die? No you say fuck these people who hurt her and you be a man and stand the fuck up and fight, even if you lose. America has clouded your mind. You all make good points but truly you are missing the real one. It doesnt matter, if you wanna keep being a puppet go right ahead, its only gonna hurt yourself in the end, as for us, no. We have balls to stand up, maybe you all could learn a thing or two of what you all should be doing yourselves. But you are programmed to fear and that same fear is why you are here ranting to us. Its so funny, because until that thing started getting publicly recognized you would have seen us on the street and never thought twice. Were not monsters we aren't trying to make it difficult and were not against the whole world, just America and you all should be too. Its become a joke to the rest of the world, and its the blind people like yourself who is obviously passionate and cares a great deal of your own values that need to wake up here and just question, am I really thinkng this? Or is it the elite few messing with our heads and pitting us against each other. Ill make it easy. Its the second one. I dont need to explain myself if you have a brain use it? Have you EVER been told the truth? The answer is NO. You and us are the same. Weve been lied to all our lives to keep us in line and while there are people who gladly can do that hawaiians know better, becuse in our lifetime we have seen things done that you or any body out on mainland would never see or believe unless you did. Its sad, I respect science, I'm not against it but you are designed to believe we are. And I mean designed. You are not a product of your own imagining. You are a product of the good ole never did anything evil ever USA.. Sad thing is you dont see straight this is like talking to drunk people i swear. No offense,but if you only knew...trust me if you only knew..
@M W automatic that's all we can do lol. Now we get to watch our destruction in 4k surround sound brah instead of being oblivious and having a good day that day. now we get to stress out for our last hours lol. And people gonna be like shoot it down with the TMT laser, den da scientists go brah, its just a telescope... Everyone going be fuuuuuuuck!!!!! Thanks you faka TMT fo nevah do nothing! Lol
M W if you studied astronomy instead of wasting time arguing what you don’t understand you’d know.
The strategy is to divert the asteroid, not destroy it. And an asteroid a mere one mile wide is big enough to kill everyone on every island and along every coast in the Pacific should it impact the ocean. An asteroid the size of the Aloha Stadium kills almost everyone in Hawaii.
Get the picture?
We already have the technology necessary to move asteroids off course. But we have to see them coming.
alexaleman16 all wrong. The point is not to p blow it up but to move it off course. That’s all that’s necessary and we already have that technology. But we have to see it.
An asteroid as small as the Aloha Stadium kills everyone in Hawaii if it hits the Pacific.
The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was only six miles across.
Stop getting your information from Hollywood.
@@shacktime its a joke idiot how smart are you if you don't read between the lines? If dumbasses up there using that thing are smart as you were fucked and the world not Hawaiians. Beside i got an ace up my sleeve talk shit all you want. Doesnt matter now its already working what ive done you are only fueling it with your words. You'll see soon enough. And no I'm not dumb. I program for a living and just like say thank you and your buddies for give me a great idea.. 😘
The system of money, and what is defined as progress, both create ill affects upon not treating others, and respecting their traditional ways. TMT Project can be built in the Canary Islands. In EH&S - you engineer out the hazard. The TMT is a hazard to Hawaiians’ sacred mountain. Ku Kia’i Mauna!
SHOW PROOF, (not just BS rumors from uncle and aunty) That TMT is a hazard to the mountain. PROOF is the same as FACT
@@rwssmith5975 The adverse effects of development are well known. Read a book, it won't bite you.
History has shown that Might makes Right. Whoever has the most guns wins. Winter is coming soon. Don’t freeze your asses off sleeping in your cars at night. Sad but true...
They protest a telescope but not Pohakuloa military base? Seriously? This is why they have no credibility
Christian Cramer all US Institutions will cede power & authority back to the proper owners.. The Kanaka people! #KapuAloha
They've been protesting Pohakuloa dummy. Where the hell have you been?
That case has been settled. Do ur research. Know ur place!
Oh we've protested all that shit. Since I was a kid I remember going to all these things watching hawaiians bad together not knowing a damn thing about how to do it right, they just knew what little they did and tried thier best, it just never was heard or never enough. You have no idea. You really don't. But its not your fault you were lied to and brainwashed just like they did to my grandpas generation, we learned more and more how to have a chance at getting as much of our lives back as we could and from that we are now here. This isn't some stupid game. These are normal people up there just like you. You think its funny to be how America wants you to be all macho and gijoe kine bullshit, but imagine this shit happening to your kids, and against those odds knowing that you have no chance you stand to protect them. well that's what we are going through and have gone through. this is no matter to be taken lightly and I advise you to watch yourself and your words before you speak if you don't know our side then don't speak as if you do please and Mahalo
@@bdumlao817 how many trolls do you own TMT lol you guys like fucking LOTR ova hea
When you make claims you assume the burden of proof. Dont do that. Just clarify the inconsistencies in their claims.
Kim doesnt mention it because its powerless
@M W It is Bassalt dumbass. TMT will use 0.01% of the science reserve. That translates into total destruction of the mountain. Dumbass.
Pisciotta is the President of the Mauna Kea Anaina Hou group, which made the following opposition statement to the TMT Project Conservation Development Use Application:
*_"We object to any telescope to continue its existence beyond the 2033 lease termination."_*
That's not a reasonable compromise or a win-win for both parties. They want ALL observatories to be removed from Mauna Kea by 2033. It's going to take 8-10 years to build TMT. By the time TMT is operational and sees first light, it would be time for its decommission. That's a very hardline, lopsided negotiation strategy.
Sunny Sied She wasn’t speaking of the tmt. That won’t ever be built she speaking of the keck and Subaru
No, they weren't speaking of the Keck or Subaru. In their TMT opposition statement to the TMT CDUA, section _8. The Life Of The TMT Extends 23 Years Beyond The General Lease_ of their 9 page statement, they clearly stated, *"We object to any telescope to continue its existence beyond the 2033 lease termination."* They don't want the TMT since its construction would take 8-10 years, operate for 50 years (construction time included), and it's sub-lease period would extend beyond the end of the current master lease's end date of 2033. They want ALL telescopes to be REMOVED after the current master lease expires. That's not a compromise, but a line-in-the-sand, hardline position.
@Aloha They have compromised to remove five telescopes in exchange for one new one. The Notice to Proceed has two legal, binding and enforceable special conditions: SC10 requires the removal and restoration of 3 telescopes to nature and SC11 requires the selection of 2 more telescopes for decommission - all by 2033. That's a great compromise!
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom There are currently three telescopes that are in a state of decommissioning, working on their Site Decommission Plan and Process, and they are as follows: 1) Caltech Submillimeter Observatory, 2) University of Hawaii Hoku Kea, and 3) United Kingdom Infrared Telescope. Two more observatories will be selected for decommissioning.
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom The TMT Notice to Proceed has the following special permit conditions:
*SC10:* The University will decommission three telescopes permanently, as soon as reasonably possible, and no new observatories will be constructed on those sites. This commitment will be_legally binding_ on the University and _shall be included in any lease renewal or extension_ proposed by the University for Mauna Kea.
*SC11:* _Notwithstanding any lease renewal or extension, consistent with the Decommissioning Plan,_ at least two additional facilities will be permanently decommissioned by December 31, 2033, including the Very Long Baseline Array Antenna and at least one additional observatory.
Kiaora my sista, thank you for re-inforcing what instincts, my wairua (spirit) and my heart has been SCREAMING out to me through the years. They don't give a fk about us, and the obvious difference is WE DO, peace n love kanaka whanau
Text from 2001. Is this new? Nah, just an attempt to scramble to counter a solution
Ronins, you talk crap on every single video discussing TMT. Such a clown, trying to spark division amongst conversation. HOW ARE WE SCRAMBLING IF WE ALREADY HAD THE SOLUTIONS IN 2001. YOUR POINT MAKES NO SENSE.
@@christianprattx It's all they have. Basically Nothing. Never had anything. I speak the truth on TMT.
@@christianprattx At least one of you Delta Bravos is paying attention.
Plenty of space on that mountain for all of us. ImuaTMT!
Aloha you will see soon enough how I am right, you don’t need to believe me (or message me too).
@@kakela2883 don't choke on your own words my man! Someome might shove that shit down your throat!!! Hard words for choke on!!! #A'OLEimuaTMT MORE LIKE #IhopeTMT NO PLACE FOR TMT IN HAWAIIAN LANDS!!!
FAHQBITZ SukkmyDick yes, of course. Because the only way you can conduct a conversation is to intimidate and threaten people.
If, in your world, might makes right then you have lost all battles to the colonists you despise.
Maybe hypocrisy isn’t the best strategy, eh?
Aloha ummm... you’re culturally appropriating just about every aspect of your life.
@@shacktime ok my man you do you just know u 1 scrub
LOOKS LIKE ITS TIME FOR THE ROLLOUT OF IKAIKA MARZO, BILLY KENOI2, THE SAGA CONTINUES!
There are many stakeholders in this public policy issue (kanaka, Hawaiian citizens, TMT, State of Hawaii, partner countries). The right holders are the native Hawaiian beneficiaries and the general public. The Hawaiian Admissions Act states the the land trust can also be used for public development for the greater good. The observatories satisfy that criteria for use based on public good. The kanaka are _very important,_ but they aren't the sole beneficiary of the land trust. The public also is a rightholder. The telescopes advance human understanding, explore the beauty of nature, promote education, drive useful technology development and protect the planet from cosmic threats (such as asteroids that can cause city level or cataclysmic destruction). There is plenty of room on the mauna for culture and science to coexist.
Actually they are the only people on that trust. The UH never properly transferred that title.
I agree with plenty of room. Seems there is no negotiating, just our way or nothing. Let's say the tmt is going in. What does it take in return to make the others happy?
@@christopherwebber1104 They wont be happy. There's a core group of about 1000 people who will disrupt/protest the entire process. Construction is slated to be atleast 5 years, and every day of it, there will be a core group of native hawaiians there to stop them. There is no compromise other than not building. TMT knew this, and were warned about it and thought that a court ruling will solve it. It won't. The natives and their opinions werent taken into consideration when this project first started, and was ignored.
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom well let's see some compromise, what if they demo 4 existing telescopes for the one. I hear Hawaiian lands owns the roads they say. Well then they have to pay for all the work done on it to this point and then maintain it. Then we get to the crap peacefull protest. Blocking the road or throwing rocks in the road or anything of the type helps nothing except making Hawaiians look bad.
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom Here are the TMT and astronomy maunakea management compromises:
- They are removing and restoring 3 observatories and identifying 2 more for decommission by 2033. Once a site has been decommissioned and restored to nature, no new development can happen on the old site. This agreement is legally binding and enforceable by the special conditions (SC10 and SC11) of the TMT Permit and Notice to Proceed.
How does the public get a copy of this report? Is it on the web site? Mahalo.
Ten Thousand Waves of Gratitude For Ewe*** Mahalo Tymes AH'Million***Evermoore What She Juss Well Said, IZ TRUTH***Always Forever Evermoore Ambassadora's Sacred Gateway To Pacific Portals***Scot's RITE'She Bee True***
From the dirt.. We came.. Papa.
From Heaven.. We came.. Wakea.
To continue desecration.. Is like desecrating anyone's religion.. Any other Nations beliefs. Like Buddha.. Etc.
Aole tmt. 😢😡😩😵😡
I as a Christian.. Would not do this to my people. I believe in a good and just God. Thank you Jesus.
Aloha Aina if you’re a Christian you’re in gross violation of your own faith. According to Jesus Hawaiian gods are false and idolatry of a mountain is forbidden.
You need to read your Bible.
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Still No. 🐍
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No Forever.
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In this issue u have with me? God is good and with me on this subject. There is nothing u can say to change my mind 😂 😂 🤣🤣🤣
Aloha Aina you don’t know a damned thing about your own religion.
You cannot serve two masters. That’s straight from the mouth of Christ.
Either you have zero reading comprehension skills or you never actually read your Bible.
Mahalo Kealoha for the ike.
Nevah know that about Kai.
I knew Kim was shibai kukai.
You 100% right about the Right Holders.
AOLE NO MORE COMPROMISING 125+ YRS IS ENUFF...NO MORE AOLE. Hold tight Hawaiians stand strong keep praying. ige born n raised here but got no hawaiian in him, hes all haole no culture in his heart
Because he has been bought
aint it a shame when a gov threatens its own people with deadly force thou they are peaceful. and what about california, why do they have a dog in this hunt, is it socialism delussionalism again or what. may karma shit on the greedy and may they liv their days in shame.
Beginning of the end games.
Convoluted, disingenuous, and lacking substance? Sounds like mayor Kim to me!
Did the judge get that book?
They don’t pay rent cause they give free observation time to UH (some scopes up to 15% of observation time) this woman is not a expert and not a credible source of information.
Kakela... Shame brah I checked your account, tell me people: do people normally have only 3 videos on a playlist for their entire years watching RUclips? Or does it not seem like tjis guy was planted there to troll on kiai? Look him up. Picture of some dumb haole on a mountain, one video about black holes and two videos on tmts khom2... Hmm I smell a rat.. Kakela... "The that?" Is that the hawaiian translation? Really tnt if you're gonna pretend to be us then get your Hawaiian words straight, everyone knows us hawaiians either get haole name with one Hawaiian name thrown in or like 50 names lol credential this and that, you're a fucking robot! Go delete your shit and come back as a real person then maybe ill listen to your dumbass bullshit.
alexaleman16 sorry Alex just standing up for what I believe, not a robot, not even in the astronomy field. I made my account private and you only see the videos I favorited and I never really do that.
@@kakela2883 well you need to understand that to us these people are doing nothing short of maintaining military occupation and doing all this illegal shit to us since I was born. I grew up watching these people die trying to keep our traditions and culture going, this is very serious and while you are entitled to your own view I advise you to tread very lightly here with your comments we are a sovereign people who take this shit extremely seriously and to make light of it is not only fucking insanely offensive but it is not your fight. It is ours so stay out unless you're ready to die by your words. I am. And I will if I fucking have to this is for my family and children and our future generations not a fucking stupid game of who's right wrong or smarter I advise you to never comment these unless your willing to be killed I over it. To us its that serious. Just is. We are dealing with extinction on a massive level not only plants amd animals but ourselves and for us this is us fighting for our lives, I don't expect you to understand a lick of that, but that is how it is for us. Aloha
Aloha I stopped reading your comments cause most the time they are filled with fictional information. I can’t remember the last time I actually read one of your replies that was more then a sentence.
This thing was going to be the size of a football field. The government is paid likely from tourist ....the tourist come one time and then come back because of the culture of the people who survived the occupancy of a different culture. The out come of this should favor the original cultural belief if you want to use it as a pay check. And also because it won't matter by the time it is built we will have much better telascopes in orbit with much less cost and damage to a already stressed ecosystem. You know.. the thing that keeps even government and scientist alive with the rest of us..haha why can't someone see it this way ...its beyond me . I am all for respect and the right thing . This has to do with the real law of humanity and not the man made ones ,that only some have to follow aprently. So many broken treaties with different cultures . How is it that the tallest mountain top in the world and such a overly stated cultural sacred space become for only some and not the whole world.? Not even the survived Hawaiian people who use dance as sign language to pay respect to the gods and tell stories have the right to stop anyone else to be up there and see the world from this place. Sure they can protect it from harm but not from the people of the world .to be up there where it belongs to everyone because of the fact that it is one of a kind. Now on the other mountains you should build a rail gun from the sea to the mountains top and make wave generators power it to launch none living objects into space , like maybe a telascope...haha. the whole of the Islands could become so wealthy if they made this. Thanks.
Michale Walker this response is muddled. Our people aren’t stopping anyone from going up the mountain. Going there isn’t the problem, using dynamite to blow it up is a problem. Carving out a gigantic hole is a problem. Whether cultural or scientific, it’s wrong. Hula is not sign language to the gods. Most Hawaiians don’t sell out our culture. That’s the government. You sound uneducated in this subject.
This what I mean by talk story!! Kanaka Maole rise up!! Knowlwdge n understanding. Mana O kaleo!! E maponopono!! Voice our power n make things right!!!
The people who built it, takes it down.
Yale? Do they have a telescope on the mountain?
30 dislikes from our favorite trolls @RONINS @KAKELA and all our other unnamed TMT supporters!!! I'm pretty sure you seen them in here!!! Gotta love trolls they don't get enough from what I read on here! #aole #tmt #all #day #every #day #pau #simpo
It’s all about the money...pay the rent. The irony! I don’t believe any improvement except saying NO
It's not only California that is involved.
You are absolutely correct. Don’t let any politician or anyone fool you or scam an fraud the movement. This is more then just about the Mauna. It’s about the hawaiian peoples freedom an sovereignty to govern themselves. Just like the communists China is doing to the people in Hong Kong. Its the same movement. Its not just about TMT. Its about the hawaiian people freedom an sovereignty too! Never give in
State doesnt OWN nothing, WE THE HAWAIIANS OWN WE CAN TAKE CARE OF HER. IF THE LINK IS BROKE TUTU PELE WILL SPEW AGAIN W MORE POWER NEXT TIME. She loves all of you sacrificing your time, fighting for her, standing w her...mahalo to you