Kupuna Decry Governor's Emergency Proclamation - Mauna Kea Day 4 (July 18, 2019)

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  • @mariaaytes6667
    @mariaaytes6667 5 лет назад +18

    I stand in solidarity with my indigenous brothers and sisters. Aloha

  • @oriaveni6369
    @oriaveni6369 5 лет назад +31

    Aloha from Israel, standing with you amazing people, for mother earth!

    • @vincentmuller7816
      @vincentmuller7816 5 лет назад

      Ori Aveni
      HEBREWS CHAPTER 12
      MT SION
      [THE LIVING GOD]
      our GOD is a consuming FIRE!
      YHWH is PELE
      ALOHA FROM HAWAII
      [GODFATHER 3 VINCENT] [NWO]

    • @pohakumana
      @pohakumana 5 лет назад +5

      you're doing the same thing to the Palestinians, how is that aloha?

    • @gmmonko
      @gmmonko 5 лет назад +3

      @Ori Aveni - stand up for the Palestinian people too! You have no rights to occupy Palestinian lands!

    • @doug7232
      @doug7232 5 лет назад

      when will the zionist terrorist state be annulled?

    • @ghoulxx4663
      @ghoulxx4663 5 лет назад

      Pohaku Mana not all Israeli’s support that bro

  • @kama3759
    @kama3759 5 лет назад +4

    I'm overwhelmed by the comments. Mahalo nui for everyone's support. Much love.

  • @cornspike
    @cornspike 5 лет назад +7

    You have our support from New Mexico. Aloha my friends......

  • @APPLEKING1
    @APPLEKING1 5 лет назад +3

    I lived in Opihikao from 1980 to 2000. Most of that time I worked on Mauna Kea as a telescope operator. I love that Mountain. The only time I saw any disrespect for the Mountain was after the snow when the empty beer cans and other trash was scattered over the side of the road. Most of us that worked there were very thankful for our jobs and cleaned up after the people that visited, some of those same people call themselves "Protectors, and what ever they want to call themselves." Try to get rid of the tourists and maybe the pakalolo farmers. See who does the most for the economy of Hawaii and the least to the environment. The telescopes don't hurt anyone and they are the cash cow that most people only wish they had.

  • @thepunadude
    @thepunadude 5 лет назад +7

    I AM INSPIRED WHAT THE KAPUNA DO. THEY HAVE THE G'MENT GOING CRAZY BY DOING NOTHING MORE THAT BEING

  • @keoneunga4656
    @keoneunga4656 5 лет назад +7

    The road isn’t a private road, it’s a public road for anyone to use.

    • @pohakumana
      @pohakumana 5 лет назад +5

      the "private road" is on HAWAIIAN LANDS, so they should remove it.

  • @leahhuladoll5057
    @leahhuladoll5057 5 лет назад +5

    PRAYER SENT 🙏🙏 PROTECT MAUNA KEA ..WE ARE MAUNA KEA ✊💪🤙🏽🤙🏽💯❤

    • @gmmonko
      @gmmonko 5 лет назад

      Protect the environment too, no more concrete on Mauna Kea. Those scientists are a joke anyway all the produce is expenses and computer generated crap pictures of the universe. Laughable.

  • @gRosh08
    @gRosh08 5 лет назад +8

    Stand in Truth!

  • @tonycardona1177
    @tonycardona1177 5 лет назад +1

    I spent a year in Hawaii and I love the people there kulcha and there country.

  • @marktumminello6504
    @marktumminello6504 5 лет назад +7

    Stopping Japan from drilling into the mountains 2000 year aquifer for a bottling plant was a magnificent victory
    Jen R. risking everything to increasing kingdom solidarity with public education , again very unified
    Much progress for what once seemed impossible forward progress for kingdom support
    60,000 signatures to stop TMT is incredible - your part of that
    I am a unifier by nature so I am very proud of the kingdoms outreach and the increase in numbers and unison of voice
    Unfortunately this fight can’t be won, so yes there is fruitily , but your voice is being heard and many support your perseverance plus the historic unison of such a large peaceful group .
    I of course have admired your effort , but want everyone to be safe and not over challenge the States authority.
    The State has resources and a very strong legal requirement to succeed
    Bless you all it will be ok to walk away at some point - you have success from one voice and prove at times people must stand for what’s they believe ,
    Very historic protest with both police and civil respect - win or loose your teaching the world cooperation ,compassion and compromise. Your showing us with your peaceful protest with law enforcement can be respectful while maintaining public sensitivities and safety.
    There will be a time here soon that will require you to walk peacefully back down the mountain
    Don’t consider it failure - your voice has been clear and heard
    Bless you all

  • @peterhauoli2368
    @peterhauoli2368 5 лет назад +4

    You know what makes me mad is why aren't any of Hawaii music artist and any other Hawaiian that has made it big like Max Holloway or Dwayne Johnson like why aren't you donating towards this movement and providing supplies and funds in any way to help this movement is the people can do so much but if we get some back up of resources we can continue our fight

  • @doug7232
    @doug7232 5 лет назад +2

    wondering why they need so many telescopes?

    • @chrystinet5091
      @chrystinet5091 5 лет назад

      most are not active, others have different uses and capabilities to see different astronomical phenomenon.

  • @asecretturning
    @asecretturning 5 лет назад +2

    Protect religious freedom for the sovereign Hawaiian Kingdom! It is the duty of the national guard to HELP PROTECT MAUNA KEA under the constitution. United States LEAVE Hawaii or uphold your own law and protect the sacred mountain the people belong to.

  • @thegrouettes
    @thegrouettes 5 лет назад +3

    Public money should not be spent on private enterprise ventures. Where else in the world would this happen. The whole narrative for the Hawaiians has full of mismanagement for far to long. The Hawaiian people are living in aloha.All the politicians should stand with not against . They should be representing their people, not big business. Shame on those leaders of Big Business politicians. They never did any of this from the beginning! The world I watching.

    • @kama3759
      @kama3759 5 лет назад

      Very beautifully put. Mahalo nui for your support.

  • @LetsGoLetsGo-xu3ql
    @LetsGoLetsGo-xu3ql 5 лет назад

    I am non-Hawaiian but I am with you!! We are all one; they hurt you, they hurt us all. "Hawaiians need to unite and stand-up" and continue to stand in truth. "Enough is enough"!

  • @Harlowerayne
    @Harlowerayne Год назад

    America this is how we should protest, with class and PEACEFULLY.
    I stand with Kānaka Mā'oli (Native Hawaiian). Their intention is always pono (good), they are protecting their 'Aina (land).

  • @sandramorey2529
    @sandramorey2529 5 лет назад

    Keep the information coming. Mahalo to the Kupuna & the Mo'opuna and to the Kumu Hula from O'ahu. The diaspora is responding with money to Kahea & other websites in support. Na Mea Books on O'ahu has several websites for sending support. I really think the idea of oli and male and dance for the Mauna is a terrific one. I hope mainland Halau are reaching out to their
    students as well. I know Prince Lot Festival is happening this weekend at the Iolani Palace and hopefully that will draw support. Stand strong everyone. They will escalate and it will get ugly.
    But many battles have been won using Aloha and non-violent direct action. From Oakland California

  • @judibarton9220
    @judibarton9220 5 лет назад +3

    Solidarity!

  • @RickGrimes007
    @RickGrimes007 5 лет назад +2

    TRUMP WILL NOT BE IMPEACHED YOU BETTER HOPE AND PRAY HE ISN'T

  • @LetsGoLetsGo-xu3ql
    @LetsGoLetsGo-xu3ql 5 лет назад +1

    Legislation to restrict native gathering rights?? Absurd. Heartbreaking.

  • @RHAWK1231
    @RHAWK1231 5 лет назад

    Love, and support for all Hawaiians, and it's land!

  • @msears101
    @msears101 5 лет назад +1

    Gov Ige, has made a big mistake. This is putting more wind in their sails. More people will join the cause of saving and protecting Mauna Kea. Gov Ige is very Unhawaiian, and has no aloha.

    • @MN16304
      @MN16304 5 лет назад +1

      Say your're right. That this will make more people join the fight in, ahem, "protecting" Mauna Kea. So what? Ok, so the population of Hawaii County is a little over 200,000. Say as much as 10,000 people go up there to protest daily (which I doubt), that would still be only 0.05 percent of the island's population. Insignificant. You have to look at the bigger picture here, not solely relying on what the deceptive media is feeding you.

    • @dr.perspective8298
      @dr.perspective8298 5 лет назад

      @@MN16304
      That's your bigger picture? 🤨

    • @msears101
      @msears101 5 лет назад +1

      @@MN16304 Family in Hawaii (called ohana) is very strong, powerful and far reaching. You are clearly either on the Island and not intune or a mainlander. If you would like to see this, watch the video of people being arrested. No place else in America, are people arrested and allowed to say good bye, give hugs, and are not handcuffed (while being 'under arrest). They also have enormous respect for their elders, specifically, their female elders. Every person that was arrested, woke up 1000 people that are family. They will stand by their Tutu. Their family is across islands. They are not divided between islands, they are connected between them. These people are not on the fringe protesting, like is typical elsewhere. These are normal people that are a huge network of family. You are commenting on things you do not know about. The power of Aloha is strong. What they have is unique and not to be underestimated.

    • @MN16304
      @MN16304 5 лет назад +1

      @@msears101 Some of these protesters probably steal from their senile kupuna's social security benefits. LOL

    • @ghoulxx4663
      @ghoulxx4663 5 лет назад

      M N 5% not 0.05%

  • @mahinak.2444
    @mahinak.2444 5 лет назад

    E ONIPA'A KAKOU. Love you my fellow Kanaka from Aotearoa xx

  • @minorityreporter9104
    @minorityreporter9104 5 лет назад +1

    All their phones and communications are hacked

  • @sandrastone4088
    @sandrastone4088 5 лет назад

    I STAND WITH YOU BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE ISLANDS! YOUR LANDS MUST BE RETURNED BEFORE THEY ARE TOTALLY RAPED BEYOND HEALING.

  • @CarolynStOnge
    @CarolynStOnge 5 лет назад

    Hawaii rocks!! Most beautiful place on earth. It has always been my dream to live there. I don’t blame the Hawaiian people for not wanting to “junk” up this beautiful special place. It would be one thing to have one telescope but from the looks of things this isn’t the case. How many do they need?

  • @bri340
    @bri340 5 лет назад

    Prayers from Denver 🙏

  • @urbantacticalshooters8581
    @urbantacticalshooters8581 5 лет назад

    For your elected officials it’s about the money. Unite and make your vote speak louder. Peaceful protest only works to a certain point, sometimes you have to go further.

  • @grannygear1001
    @grannygear1001 5 лет назад

    Please, let these people have peace with their mountain!

  • @newleaf9
    @newleaf9 5 лет назад

    The Royal family would have approved the construction of the TMT telescope. They traveled the world and modernized Hawaii.

  • @ClovisStarNews
    @ClovisStarNews 5 лет назад

    I thought about supporting Tulsi until she came out in support of the lawless protest in Hawaii, but I am glad she is sueing google

  • @trysimmahdownk2060
    @trysimmahdownk2060 5 лет назад

    Any footage from the last 12/24 hours???

  • @tonycardona1177
    @tonycardona1177 5 лет назад

    Aloha from NYC...

  • @jimmyalisna7782
    @jimmyalisna7782 5 лет назад

    GOD BLESS U GUYS LOVE AND ALOHA STAN STRONG

  • @cl5473
    @cl5473 5 лет назад +4

    It is unfortunate they express keiki and this tmt is for the keiki or future for all of us. This is sending the wrong message when they had there protest for the last 4+ years against tmt. Holding everything up to a T and the courts gave tmt the go ahead. This is like the child in the store that doesn't get its way and now is siting on the floor pouting. So sad the message that is given here, please open your eyes.

    • @dr.perspective8298
      @dr.perspective8298 5 лет назад

      If that's your opinion 🤙🏽

    • @kama3759
      @kama3759 5 лет назад +1

      Regardless,they are not going to stand down and to me that is a beautiful message to our keiki. Never back down from what you believe in. It is such a beautiful thing

    • @donovankeliikoa3870
      @donovankeliikoa3870 5 лет назад

      For your info let me educate you just a bit. First off we are educated about the stars when we are keikis we are the only race that sailed by the stars. Its passed down from generations. We didn't need the Corp. then and we sure don't need them now.

    • @cl5473
      @cl5473 5 лет назад

      @@donovankeliikoa3870 Hawaiians are a star gazing people, so I believe your ancestors would be ashamed protesting tmt. Nice to be able pick and choose what you like. Sure like driving that car around and that cell phone and gas powered boats, from big Corp, I could go on and on. Open your eyes people. One other note I am sure most all the people protesting are on state benefits or even social security... provided by the state which they are protesting against. Talk about bite the hand that feeds you.

    • @kama3759
      @kama3759 5 лет назад +1

      @@cl5473 well that's the catch 22 now isn't it?! Our people are broke in our own lands. Lands that are dwindling. Imagine the feeling of being backed into a corner with nowhere else to go. We can't speak for the ancestors because they are long gone. Of course they were open to new innovations and higher learning but at what cost? That's the underlining of it all. And it's that backwards thinking that needs to stop. Sure we buy the cars and boats, but who profits from that? No matter where u live in America we are under a corrupt system, either you can stay blind to it or open your eyes.

  • @jt5439
    @jt5439 5 лет назад

    IMUA!!! Aloha from Maui

  • @tacoma4x
    @tacoma4x 5 лет назад +9

    Ohhh look up in the sky it’s a bird it’s a plane no it’s helicopters flying in heavy equipment to the top

    • @pohakumana
      @pohakumana 5 лет назад +1

      you're pretty dumb, no helicopter on this island can fly in a D-9, go back to school

    • @bighammahdololon2904
      @bighammahdololon2904 5 лет назад

      Pohaku Mana it’s a joke dumb fuck

  • @robertesposito8288
    @robertesposito8288 5 лет назад +3

    Yeah it's stupid to call them when most of them are local but it's all loose money either side. The state has too much money to lose if tmt doesn't get built in 10 years. So they not going let anyone get in the way.

  • @jacobzeren601
    @jacobzeren601 5 лет назад

    This is what happens when your in a democratic state..let's change this Hawaii..vote republic..

  • @jarhead57vn
    @jarhead57vn 5 лет назад

    We are watChing ! Aloha

  • @twoscoopsaloha7151
    @twoscoopsaloha7151 5 лет назад

    Is the 3rd guy Kahikina from KAPA FM?

    • @kama3759
      @kama3759 5 лет назад

      No, but sound like him.

  • @bwalters7777777
    @bwalters7777777 5 лет назад +1

    These are the same people who believe the gods will punish you if you poke a wooden stick into hot lava.

  • @muffpoundah
    @muffpoundah 5 лет назад

    Relish what you have now.... Be realistic... the inevitable is coming. Ige has good foresight..... bc when that day comes....... all hell is gonna break loose.

  • @marilynrose4941
    @marilynrose4941 5 лет назад

    Shared on FB. If I could I would stand there with you. PROTECTING !!! Not PROTESTING! The liars always want to paint the innocents with the brush of violence. My thoughts and prayers to all of the indigenous people of the Hawaiian Islands. Aloha from Canada.

  • @DisruptarianRadio
    @DisruptarianRadio 5 лет назад +1

    I believe in the Hawaii spirit for astronomy and human progress

  • @druid3744
    @druid3744 5 лет назад

    Ku K’ai Mauna!

  • @hawaiianarts1
    @hawaiianarts1 5 лет назад +1

    Bahahahahahahahahahahaha.......u guys Don't VOTE........Duh.....

  • @MN16304
    @MN16304 5 лет назад +3

    These people are only wasting their time. Look up the Dakota Access Pipeline protests and see how that ended. The same thing is going to happen here. The DAPL protest was much more powerful and there were more people involved, like thousands and thousands of people coming in from other states to protest. The cause was so much stronger and they even had military veterans, Hollywood celebrities, and important politicians joining in the fight to help the Indians but they still lost.

    • @HB-ey2dk
      @HB-ey2dk 5 лет назад +1

      You may be right. But they're standing for their heritage and they can't just not fight. Even if it's for naught in the end, you can't fault them for that.

    • @MN16304
      @MN16304 5 лет назад +1

      @@HB-ey2dk I respect your opinion. But, realistically, some of these people you see being interviewed and in the crowds, this was probably the first time they ever set foot in that area. When the State was finally given the permit to continue the project, why didn't they organize a protest like THIS back then if they were so passionate about their cause? That was several months ago, if I'm not mistaken.

    • @minorityreporter9104
      @minorityreporter9104 5 лет назад

      Hawaii will be different

    • @howzitcruzinthrulife9146
      @howzitcruzinthrulife9146 5 лет назад +3

      Ige had once promised the TMT was to be built if the other telescopes were to be dismantled. Everything escalated when they’re planning radiation plant/storage on our Mauna as well.
      I have Ohana on all sides..police, DLNR, construction, protesters, astronomers, and even university professors. Not one welcomes TMT.....

    • @asecretturning
      @asecretturning 5 лет назад

      Wow you're so smart and brave and helpful.

  • @lindanicholason878
    @lindanicholason878 5 лет назад +2

    # Example of People Worshiping The Creation, Instead Of THE CREATOR.

    • @lindanicholason878
      @lindanicholason878 5 лет назад

      @Wes Kauhane The True 'CHURCH' IS NOT 'Brick & Mortar'; IT IS The BODY OF BELIEVERS WHO BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST; REPENT OF THEIR SINS, & ARE 'BORN AGAIN' BY GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT. WE DO NOT OWN THE HOLY SPIRIT; BUT HE FILLS US & WORKS THROUGH US. We Are Created IN GOD'S Image, To Bring Glory To HIM; To WORSHIP GOD, & Love One Another. # I Agree That Colonization Is Bad. But, It Is A Fact. Because We Live In A Sinful World..Humans Have Always Committed Atrocities Against One Another. *Everything In Heaven & On Earth Is Created By GOD, And Belongs To GOD. *GOD IS NOT 'IN' The Plants , Mountains, & Animals. He Created Them, But They Are NOT GOD. *We Should Be Good Stewards of the Earth; But, Ultimately GOD IS IN CONTROL Of EARTH'S DESTINY...Which means We Are Living IN The END TIMES; And JESUS CHRIST IS RETURNING SOON. *We Better Be More Concerned About Repenting Of Our Sins, & Getting Ready To Meet Our CREATOR GOD...Rather Than Worshiping The Creation. That IS IDOLATRY (Sin)

    • @lexruga5403
      @lexruga5403 5 лет назад

      Linda Nicholason not everyone believes in your God or Gods. Respect that and if you cannot, I have a favor to ask.....Don’t Save Me!

    • @dr.perspective8298
      @dr.perspective8298 5 лет назад +1

      Worshipping Creation?? What a misguided statement.
      What was the first duty bestowed upon man?!?
      TO TAKE CARE OF THE LAND.
      Mauna Kea is one of the ONLY Temples that is NOT man made. Rather than these "churches" who ask for money in these man made infrastructures. Mauna Kea Protects us from disaster. Should we not do the same for Her? People worship our Creator but tend to forget that our Creator exists in ALL things Natural.
      If you could please gain more understanding.

    • @asecretturning
      @asecretturning 5 лет назад

      The Christian God is the DEVIL 😂 Shame on you! The creation IS the creator.

  • @Marimilitarybrat
    @Marimilitarybrat 5 лет назад

    Please, tell us what you were protesting. We are far away from you & don't understand tales

    • @SoniaPrimerano
      @SoniaPrimerano 5 лет назад

      They are PROTECTING their sacred land, Mauna Kea, 'āina, their home. For their ancestors and for generations to come.

    • @bighammahdololon2904
      @bighammahdololon2904 5 лет назад

      Marimilitarybrat they’re protecting their superstitions half of them don’t actually believe 🙃🙃

    • @asecretturning
      @asecretturning 5 лет назад +3

      @@bighammahdololon2904 It doesn't matter what ignorant things you think it is the United States duty to protect their religious freedom and stop this desecration.

  • @vincentmuller7816
    @vincentmuller7816 5 лет назад +1

    HEBREWS CHAPTER 12
    MT SION
    [THE LIVING GOD]
    our GOD is a consuming FIRE!
    YHWH is PELE
    AKA [A[KU]A]
    ALOHA FROM PUNA
    [GODFATHER 3 VINCENT] [NWO]

    • @pohakumana
      @pohakumana 5 лет назад +1

      NWO!? keep your zionist racist aparthied crap out of this.

    • @asecretturning
      @asecretturning 5 лет назад

      Your god is the devil you fear. Gtfo.

  • @rwssmith5975
    @rwssmith5975 5 лет назад +7

    TMT is for the entire human species including ALL Kanaka. Reserve area on Mauna Kea is 11,200 acres. TMT needs 6 acres. TMT and sovereignty are completely separate issues.
    Mauna Kea belongs to no one, no one group. We are the custodians of the planet Earth.

    • @donovankeliikoa3870
      @donovankeliikoa3870 5 лет назад +5

      No it's not DH. If you not kanaka you dont understand. We are stewards of the land.

    • @glibgrin
      @glibgrin 5 лет назад +1

      R Smith ... EXACTLY! We tried to express the importance of separating Sovereignty and the TMT last time around but it appears to have fallen on deaf-ears.

    • @larse9999
      @larse9999 5 лет назад +3

      Tell us all what wonderful service the existing telescopes have done for the children of Hawaii. How have they contributed to the everyday resident there? You act as if this telescope is going to bring something so necessary to the residents of the Big Island that they can not live without. Seriously, scientific endeavors are good and all but really, this instrument is to gaze light years away and to make "discoveries" and formulate or disprove theories. There are other scientific and green technologies that can benefit the Hawaiian people and humanity far more than yet another telescope on the mountain!

    • @larse9999
      @larse9999 5 лет назад +2

      @@lexruga5403 I agree. No need to desecrate more land up there. How many telescopes they need? For goodness sakes, why they gotta spoil more of the mountain!

    • @pohakumana
      @pohakumana 5 лет назад

      says you a TROLL? LOL

  • @kailanoelani586
    @kailanoelani586 5 лет назад +1

    we will forever stand for you, Mauna A Wākea. forever protect you. for you have given and continue to give us so much more than what we could ever ask for. you protect us, love us, care for us, and provide for us. you are kapu.
    my puʻuwai aches and breaks for you. ALOHA ʻĀINA. KAPU ALOHA. KŪ KIAʻI MAUNA!!!

  • @ryanparker1171
    @ryanparker1171 5 лет назад

    No reelection for ige unless he shuts tmt down

    • @MN16304
      @MN16304 5 лет назад +1

      So what? He already served his two terms. Hey, folks, here's another idiot who didn't vote and is now complaining about how the government is being run. Sugar Plum, you could've voted for Duke Aiona and made a difference. LOL

    • @ghoulxx4663
      @ghoulxx4663 5 лет назад

      M N as far as I know everyone I know voted for Tupola. The elections super rigged 🤷‍♂️

  • @jeffdunham6823
    @jeffdunham6823 5 лет назад

    Kupuna: "govona ige iz making us luk bhad."
    Literally anyone else indifferent to the protest: "nah, you guys have been doing that on your own for decades now"

  • @maxt7525
    @maxt7525 5 лет назад +5

    The mountain is for all people not just a minority’s own agenda

    • @closmasmas9080
      @closmasmas9080 5 лет назад +1

      Not all the people want this

    • @donovankeliikoa3870
      @donovankeliikoa3870 5 лет назад

      Then tutu ku should clean it

    • @pohakumana
      @pohakumana 5 лет назад

      who the fuck made you chief king dictator? you a trumptard?

    • @asecretturning
      @asecretturning 5 лет назад

      You don't know a damn thing.

    • @nuufoualo5934
      @nuufoualo5934 5 лет назад

      It belongs to the Indigenous people of HAWAI’I. The land you know that was stolen

  • @pdub3600
    @pdub3600 5 лет назад +2

    Get ready for be swept out of that road!

    • @pohakumana
      @pohakumana 5 лет назад

      troll somewhere else trumptard

    • @asecretturning
      @asecretturning 5 лет назад

      Get ready to find out you're a bigot!

    • @pdub3600
      @pdub3600 5 лет назад

      @@yessah8570 🖕🖕🖕🖕

    • @yessah8570
      @yessah8570 5 лет назад

      @@pdub3600 lol learn da history before you open your waha

    • @yessah8570
      @yessah8570 5 лет назад

      @@pdub3600 lol freedom of speech is right if you no like my comments den same thing no

  • @kailanoelani586
    @kailanoelani586 5 лет назад

    he aliʻi ka ʻāina he kauā ke kanaka

  • @kailanoelani586
    @kailanoelani586 5 лет назад

    EŌ!!!