GREAT NEWS! Ryzen 9000 Prices LEAK | CHEAPER Than Expected
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- GREAT NEWS! Ryzen 9000 Prices LEAK | CHEAPER Than Expected
Some very good news for those considering upgrading to Zen 5, as ALL Ryzen 9000 SKUs have had their prices LEAKED - and they're CHEAPER than expected! We also have a very interesting update for Ryzen 9000X3D CPUs.
Join us as we examine the latest leaked MSRP prices for Ryzen 9000 processors, with pricing leaked across the entire product stack, and if these prices hold true then we can expect Zen 5 to be CHEAPER than Zen 4. But with this pricing structure, is the lowest end Zen 5 CPU worth it in terms of specs and performance per dollar? It will also be interesting to see not only how these leaks compare to the AMD official prices, but how Intel chooses to respond (if at all) to this.
We also have some news for Zen 5 X3D, as the latest leaked reports indicate that the V-Cache chips will fully support overclocking out of the box. If this is true, this will be a first for the Ryzen X3D processors and could potentially be a huge game changer and make Ryzen 9000 X3D even better for gaming performance.
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310 Euro for six cores in 2024 is truly awful.
Why are you surprised?
Over 300€ for 6c/12t chip is just insane price. It should be 250€ max. The7800x3d is way under 400€ and supposedly beats the whole lineup in gaming.
Yes, I agree with you on that. In fact I would wait for either 9600X or a possible 9600 non X to get into that $200 range.
Mindfactory has the 7800x3d now listed for 321€. The 7600x for 188€ and the 7600x for 175€. That is in Germany, where I would expect prices to be little higher than in Slovenia.
The 9600x for 310€ in comparisson would be insane, but not in the good way for the customer.
Lisa will never miss an opportunity to milk her Cultists. It's the Natural Order of things.
This does not tell us much, its just prices in Slovenia, they are usually much higher and more random then they will be in the bigger EU countries and especially US.
@@DurayneNo, Germany has lower, not higher prices.
I am from Slovenia and I can tell you some stores offer absolutely ridiculous prices. In the same store showed in the video Ryzen 5 7600x is listed for 340€ and all GPUs are around 300€ more expensive then in in Germany let's say. It might be possible that these prices are just a bit inflated is all that I'm saying...
It strongly depends on the country, you are correct about that. In the Netherlands CPU's are a bit inflated too in the first 3-6 months, after a while the prices normalize (comparable to the USA). Sadly for AMD-GPU's the prices always are inflated here, especially if you want the best one: Sapphire Nitro. I can only speculate about the reasons, my guess: a lack of competition and simply also a lack of supply. I know from a former head of marketing of MSI for Europe (RedGamingTech talked about him in his videos around 6 years ago) that the Netherlands gets considerabily less supply than the Scandinavian countries and those get less supply than countries like France, Germany and England. Less means less per milliion inhabitants or less per X CPU-buyers, something like that which normalizes it. I would guess that the same problem exists for Slovenia.
Video title: "CHEAPER Than Expected"
9600X for € 310 meanwhile the already exist 7800X3D in the market cost € 330 .... This is NOT cheap this is a BIG JOKE!
its not 310 its 390, the 310 price tag is before tax.
3:58 That sounds about right when it comes to upselling. However, if for whatever reason you are power constrained, that still is a very good reason to choose the lower priced chips for your next computer. For example, if you need a laptop but an APU's built-in GPU just won't cut it, but your battery situation drmands you make compromises elsehere...
8700G in Germany is 275€ for 8/16. 333€ for 7800x3d. Is it really worth 400€ for the new gen? Listed prices also include 22% VAT.
why is 8700G in comparison? You know what that chip is, right?
I was considering the 9900X anyway. If these prices are correct, then I'm firmer on that choice,
I want to wait for the new chipset... so maybe the non X3d variants will already have a price cut by then.
Paul, are we going to see camm2 release with Zen5 mobos?
I recently heard that the x900 12-core chips are 6+6 cpus so they dont perform as well as a pure 8-core chip if you restrict them to 8 cores, hence the doscount ...
good morning...12-core ryzen was ALWAYS a 6+6 configuration
The psychological thing you mentioned certainly worked on me, haha. 3:40
310€ = $333, yes that is without VAT for a 6-core, that's bonkers.
The 7600X is 200€ right now, 9600X needs to be 250€($268) at most, or the 7800X3D at 286€ ($307) is a better option.
Paul is hilariously right in his thoughts: "Hang on a minute... Wait a minute.... Hiiiiinnnnn... That's a hard sell..."
This is why competition will be always the best friend of any consumers, never a corporation...
The "upselling yourself" tactic only works for people who can afford to be upsold. If all I can afford is the six core variant, the eight core would have to be pretty well discounted for me to justify it.
Save money
9000 X3D or bust.
Depends on price
@@TomRFL Of course. But as AMD always does it. They charge to much on release and then they slowly lowers the price more and more. Until it is really cheap and they releases the next generation.
And rises and repeat.
No one said you have to buy it at launch.
X3D only needed for 1080p. I haven't gamed at that in 6 years.
@@jondonnelly4831 No dude you are confused or new a looking at benchmarks. The reason they bench at 1080p is not because they expect people who buy the latest hardware to play at 1080p fir example. It is because it shows the headroom.
Meaning it is an indication for how strong the CPU is when the GPU is not the bottleneck anymore.
Meaning if you buy a faster or even several generation newer GPU hardware, that means the CPU headroom have the possibility to last longer.
Did you actually think they or anyone play at 1080p.....with a 4090 and 7800X3D for example, just became they benchmark at that? It does not and that is not the point of the benchmark. The point of the 1080p CPU bench, is to show the strength of the CPU compared to other offerings. It is the thing that makes a system last a couple of years extra if you buy smart and more than you need when you get it.
@@cajampafactor in DLSS and the GPU becomes even less important relative to CPU at higher frame rates
One point to make is import tariffs or shipping costs - here in OZ the prices of CPUs are at least 10% ABOVE US exchange rate - That makes the price gaps a little more dramatic, so if these price leaks are true that would be a smart move by AMD for international sales.
And the included 22% tax
The tax is above the prices u state which is the same.price as the 7000 series.
idk i'm in no rush i'll probably wait and get a cheaper Ryzen 5 9600 later on for a gaming rig and PBO and increase the max boost clock later with some overkill cooler.
that was online prices. Over the online prices are the "normal prices"
Indeed. Best to take these prices along with the release dates as placeholders until we get updates from AMD themselves.
I would not spend extra $100 going from 8 Core to 12 Core, especially for a gaming PC due to 2 CCs communication latency compared to just 1 for 9700X
However if Zen 6 Multi-layer transposer for multi chiplet is true, then the 12 Core and 16 Core for next gen will really give the performance boost needed without impacting the performance of games negatively.
12 cores is faster if you game and stream.
@@jondonnelly4831 i just want focus on gaming, if u want multi task get 16 cores best.
Paul, AMD is upselling, that became clear with the presentation for Zen4. 6 vs 8, you pay the same per core, but with 8 cores you get a higher single-core boost and most likely also a better bin. From 8 to 12 you get a lot more cores but that model is a bit weird (see a bit lower), from 8 to 16 you get double the cores, a higher clock frequency and a better bin for considerably less than 2 times the price so the 16 core one is more appealing. The big problem with the 12-core CPU's is that you only have 6 cores per chiplet, any software which uses 8 cores CAN have a performance-penalty due to chiplet-hopping (datalatencies getting higher because data has to be copied over a larger physical distance with a lower throughput), especially on Windows which has a bad thread-scheduler compared to Linux, FreeBSD and macOS (which uses FreeBSD). This is especially relevant for gaming where you see the 16C Ryzen-CPU's sometimes get outperformed by the 8C Ryzen-CPU's of the same generation on Windows. For the 12C CPU's this is even worse because you misss 2 cores on 1 chiplet, consequently chiplet-hopping happens more.
In my opinion, given the competition of Intel, AMD should sell the 6C-CPU's for around $200, the regular 8C ones for around $300 and the 8C with double L3 for around $350.
824 with tax for the 9950. Jesus. The X3D is gonna be a grand. That is not cheaper than I expected. I was expecting 750
Core count aside, is there any drawback to having 2 CCDs in your cpu instead of 1?
In other words, would a hypothetical 12 core single CCD setup perform any different compared to the actual 2-CCD 9900x?
Would be faster. Lower latency between cores.
@@korinogaro Yeah I suspected so. But would it be enough to influence the decision?
@@bspus bigger chip = higher risk of something going wrong = higher price than 2x smaller chip. Sono. You would gain couple % in majority of applications at most but price difference would be bigger.
Yes it would have lower inter core latency
I'm still hoping for s $250 9600X in the US. Thumbs up!
Why would they release the 310 processor? I don't know anybody.. with..say...a nas.. or maybe a test bench have any clues as to why?..
If i have to pay in Europe (or belgium, where i live) 380-400€ for an processor, i will go on an 7800x3d at between 324€ in deutchland and 384€ in france rather than the 9600x at €390 as price annonced... I do not think that's real price and price for the 9600x will be more 300€ taxe included.
I think that this type of site takes advantage of the novelty of the processor to increase prices as usual and as always
Definitely too deep on the price thought. People are just going to buy as much as they feel they need, for what they can actually afford to spend. Most people aren't going to go "let me spend a little more to get more CPU than I can even imagine being able to use". It's why the cheapest products sell the most volume. No one is going to upsell themselves all the way to the top, when they won't be doing anything that demands more than a 6 core. At best it'll be one group juggling between the 6/8 and a separate group with the 12/16.
If I had to pick between a Ryzen 7 7700x or Ryzen 5 9600x, which would be the better choice for about $300 ? I think AMD is pricing the new chips to help clear out the old chips.
We need to wait for actual prices and benchmarks.
Pure Single Core the 7600x will outpace it. Once whatever you are using can utilize 8 cores the 7700x will probably outpace the 9600x in most scenarios.
I wait for X3D and arrow lake
What about the x3d chips
not really, if you account for vat and convert it into $ they're slightly more expensive than the 7xxx counterparts
I don't know, but I guess the cost of manufacture any kind of CPU is about the same. The pricing is just a marketing exercise.
If true, I can probably pick up a 7950X3D for cheap.....maybe!
Paul you should have figured out the AMD and Intel cost : price / margin formula by now. Again I will state the basic formula that is easy to remember. The price of AMD CPUs to OEM and volume retail, any SKU, basic formula is MSRP / 3 * 1.5. and for Intel $1K price / 2. I want you to foster awareness of this with the audience so every intro I don't have to go over something that should already be instilled; call the basic formula FTC monitor mike's basic formula for calculating AMD and Intel price to volume retail.
Ryzen 9K again is a 1st degree price scheme that let's the channel test MSRP and then decide what to price at and, higher or lower over the long run administering price reduction to spur demand or in step with supply and demand. AMD does not offer price protection on prior gen CPUs in inventory or cash discounts. Any AMD price competitive discount in an Intel head-on sales negotiation is made up in product. AMD throws in some bundle deal sales close incentive to sweeten a procurement or to present a competitive sales package in relation to Intel.
On a weighed average, R9K SKU split mirroring percent of SKUs supplies is more or less a repeat of R7K. Average price in a full line procurement is around $229 per CPU and I will confirm this when AMD announces the actual pricing. $1K AWP is $457.15 on SKU weight relying on R7K long run as the example, at less 50% that is OEM or volume retail price = $228.57. Now on the r9K leaked pricing, volume gross for a 16C = $353, 12C = $267. 8C = $214, 6C = $166 that suggests TSMC average price to AMD on full line supply weight is in the range of $152 t0 $165 with a 3D version adding $50 per 32 GB SRAM die.
Now we can also plan the price slide from so said R9K introductory price. You will note from volume retail 16C = $353.04, 12C = @267.44, 8C = $213.94, 6C = 165.79 when you add +100% markup that is x2 this equals the so said R9K MSRP. So, it's not AMD taking + 100% margin it's volume retail and with retail in particular because they still have R7K and R5K in inventory to clear and the 'high rent' R9K margin makes up for their margin sacrifice discounting R7K and R5.
Now for an OEM prebuilt the situation might be a bit different for that NEW R9K PC. This is because there's more competition among OEMs for a PC sale and its more difficult to get x2 cost for a NEW CPU from AMD in a prebuilt. Also the various system components, including the last gen ones, GPUs in particular allow the SI some margin juggling in a PC sale. But for retail, yea, price out the gate x2 cost from AMD is ordinary.
I mentioned the R9K sliding discount over time, well that's easy on a 1st degree 'consumer discriminatory' price scheme that discriminates against buyers who can afford, or can price justify that brand new x2 over cost priced R9K on business productivity cost offset for a brand new performance CPU. So what's the discount from AMD price to the retail outlet after x2, well than its cost * 1.75, and cost * 1.66 and cost * 1.5 that is typically a peak production volume price (volume doubles price drops by < 50%) and then entering run down cost * 1.33 and cost * 1.25 and at the very end cost * 1.10 and entering clearance price to the end buyer = retail cost so the retail seller can clear their inventory that is exactly like now for R7K and R5K.
Right now no volume retailer pays anything for 7700, 7600_, 5600_, pays a smidge over AMD cost for 58/5700X3D and 7800X3D and volume retail pays nothing for Hawk APUs they are all bundled into the total AMD procurement. Subsequently the retail outlets make 100% profit on these bundle deal CPUS from AMD and I*F THE end buyer knew this they would have a lot more negotiation angles (especially on a kit purchase) BUT ONLY IF THEY KNOW and I have provided this counsel for 5 years and YOU still refuse to say anything in terms of informing, educating end buyers, fostering knowledge on this. By the way for the Inter buyer all SKUs down bin 600Ks cost retail nothing
So remember the basic volume cost rule. AMD = MSRP / 3 * 1.5 that is what volume retail pays on average. For Intel its $1K / 2.
You really should educate on this so I don't have to every next AMD or Intel introduction. This is really basic and everyone, certainly every enthusiast, should know have this knowledge its just an educational perquisite to know how to calculate seller CPU cost : price / margin. mb
Well the top price is including VAT.
But I would assume that will be the NORMAL price the world over.
Multiply that from Euro to dollars we get $535 on the 9700X.
Which in my view isn't cheaper its more expensive and not worth it.
If the lowest price is the price it's not bad but I'm not hopeful with any pricing these days.
You need to multiply the non-VAT price to get USD pricing. Nowhere in the USA has a 20% sales tax like is shown here, and moreover all the comparisons to USD pricing is on a pre-tax basis since that’s what’s always advertised (due to 10,000 different state and local tax jurisdictions). On that basis, the prices listed here are not completely out of whack with prior generations.
To x3d or not to x3d that's the question.
1080p on 4080 or faster, yes. 1440p on 4090 game specific. 4K no.
@@jondonnelly4831 NPC count in games is climbing higher and higher with every iteration , X3D is a no brainer
@@jondonnelly4831 4k game specific, there are plenty of CPU heavy games where GPU dosn't matter much like Stellaris.
Why do the specs look like the AM4 chips????
Wanting to upgrade my 5900x probably to 9950x3d to pair with my 7900xtx. ;)
you still fine ;) can wait another year !
@@nabilbaroudi5457 I know, but I'll give my actual cpu to my brother (same I did with the 3900x). I decided to skip the 7000s series and jump to the 9s one.
If you are not using CPU heavy, professional apps anything above 7800x3D is wasting money.
Chiplets are outdated. Like I said before, time is running out for AMD because Intel is about to dethrone them and AMD themselves know that arrow lake is going to mop the floor with zen5 and hence why they are releasing the X3DVCACHE variants earlier than expected to try to draw attention away from intel.
A very clever marketing move from AMD, don't you think so, but AMD will soon realize that FOMO is going to kick in sooner or later and will once again take a page from Intel's book and reverse engineer Intel's hybrid architecture beginning with the AM6 socket AMD will introduce a tri-hybrid architecture that will introduce 3 types of cores:
T-Cores = Turbo Cores
B-Cores = Booster Cores
L-Cores = Lag Cores
And then AMD will also have a scheduler calling it THREAD MANAGER.
AMD fanboys/girls answer this question.
Why does AMD always be copying intel? Why can't they innovate and be original on their own?
@@nabilbaroudi5457 That very much depends on what games are being played. A 6800XT can be bottlenecked by a 5950X.
The real benefit of the 9700x vs the 9900x is the lower latency by not having to communicate with another chip let across the Infinity fabric.
The higher pricing on the 9600x (while it might not bode well for sales of that part) might point to AMD having really amazing yields for the 8 core chiplets, and therefore not wanting to cut down 8 core chiplets into 6 core chiplets if they don't have to! It's probably a mistake for AMD to take that approach with the 9600x though; it should be closer to $250...
Not everybody needs more cores, personally i only want the single core performance of the new architecture. And you might not be able to afford the higher tier CPUs even if its a better deal .
and btw, like nvidia said. the more you buy the more you save :D
I thought the 9700X got upgraded to 120w TDP. It means it'll be the sweet spot. 9600X will power throttle.
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The market shows the degree by which most people really do buy these primarily for gaming. For that purpose 6 cores gets 90% of the performance and 8 gets better than 95%. So few games are coded to utilize more than 8 and most gamers know it.
So anything 12 cores and up is selling to a much smaller number of interested consumers. It’s a premium expense for additional productivity most people just don’t use so AMD finds themselves needing to offer the higher core products at kind prices to sell.
Not to mention the Intel chips with their e-cores tend to offer very high productivity and they’ve been dropping prices to incentivize people buying them.
Buying cpus right after launch is always the worst of the worst options. 2 years later both the cpu and motherboard will be somewhat cheaper, and you don't have to go through teething problems. Also if later it is discovered some serious problems with the cpu you got a hot potato in your hands and buyers remorse.
I guess they dropped the 9800x from the lineup. Hopefully they have a 9800x3D.
X3D ftw.
Apple is a master of pricing ladders. AMD appears to be doing something similar.
It literally only works for Apple because of vanity. What's hilarious is that someone sells conversion kits where you can take a lower tier model iPhone and put the internals in a housing to make it look like a pro max. With CPUs you either can use/need more or you don't.
Yeah, its called upselling and is exactly why the 4080 is batshit insane
Google translate - regular price, online price, savings. Go figure.
Not sure you understand EU market. I would wait for one of the larger German retailers or AMD to announce EU pricing.
Besides that prices will still vary a bit. Some countries have 18% VAT, some 20% - things like that. VAT must be included in retail prices in EU. And then smaller retailers using all kind of weird ads. Can't trust every number they call.
But I just upgraded to a 5600X....WTF?
should have saved for a 5700 x3d on AM4 if you were trying to upgrade...
Surely not 6core for 309.99 id say 249.99 you can get 7600 for 160 ish now
I'm a sucker for upselling myself . . i'm stupid.
"CHEAPER Than Expected" no they're not, they should still be alot cheaper
The 7000 series i think will be a better buy 310 seems absurd for the 9600x 250 max as you can find 7600x’s for 160 now
Let's try to put things into perspective here:
-these prices are with VAT already applied.
EDIT: those labels say "regular price" and "online price", they're just claiming a 20% discount (fake as usual on these stores)... getting annoyed at the "my country is betterest the is, of course all the others do as we do, I don't need to know anything about other countries before claiming stuff 🦅🇺🇸🦅"
-these prices might be basically a placeholder, since we're too far to the launch date.
-mostly, remember that in "poorer" countries the prices are ALWAYS completely random, with huge mark-ups and completely disregarding every notion of msrp or official changes to prices in the following months. It's not the first time we've seen "leak prices" from western EU shops that were very massively out of whack compared to the official ones.
That said, starting from 310 would be a massive mistake, but again: I don't believe those prices for even 1 second as of now.
Look again, the VAT is 20% 309,90€ becomes 387,37€ including VAT.
@@magnusnilsson9792 nope, in Europe vat is always included in the final price you see
@@MattJDylan Did you even look at the video, it clearly has a post for VAT and it's in addition to the 309,90€
@@MattJDylan bruh, blue prices does not include VAT it literally says that.
@@magnusnilsson9792Those labels say "regular price" and "online price", so it's a fake pricecut
When outsiders look into Balkan store prices and get shocked... 😂
I would, too, if I didn't live in it.
Popcorn pricing model
Why do so many of the talking heads not seem to understand how budgets work? If you spend £100 more on the CPU, that means £100 less for the GPU, RAM, SSD, network, monitor, cooling, or any other things that may affect the overall performance more than a few additional cores
Where is 9800X?
It's still too expensive. Over 300 euro for a 6 core CPU in 2024 is criminal. 6 core CPUs at this point should be a Ryzen 3...
6 core / 12 thread = Ryzen 3
8 core / 16 thread = Ryzen 5
12 core / 24 thread = Ryzen 7
16 core / 32 thread = Ryzen 9
We might need to stop and rethink what we actually need , AMD is offering 6 cores for 300$ since 2016 , that's a little too much of the time without the improvements in this sector , even intel looks better now with 14500 that has 20 threads
Depends a lot on what you want and need your CPU to do. Just buy based on that. No need to make it a brand related decision.
WHERE BUFF DADDY PAUL CAM
i5s will mog this.
Agree, i will go intel i think haha
These prices do not work if the 7800x3d are a thing 😂
Keep in mind that gamers aren't the entire market. The 7800X3D is about 8% slower than the standard model at nearly ever other task. So these will be even faster than the X3D for those with larger needs than gaming.
$100 more for 50% more cores? WHAT A DEAL !!!
Not exactly. $100 for two broken 6-core chips connected by switching fabric, with slower performance if the game uses all 8 cores!
The 12 core chips are the worst choice for gaming. For productivity they are great value. Better off waiting for the 9800x3d for gaming or grabbing a 9950x3d if you want great productivity and gaming. The 7950x3d can be got for as low as €520 from Amazon Germany atm as well or €320 for the 7800x3d.
More cores but slower in communication due to 2 CCs latency that affect games negatively. 8 cores is the best as it involved only 1 CCs hence no latency or waiting time.
@@systemBuilder majority of the 6core CCD´s are perfectly fine CCD`s and not "broken 6-core chips" like you claimed
@@georgwarhead2801 each of the 6-core chips generally has 1 or 2 broken or underperforming CPU on the 8-core die, hence its broken ..
Before people loser their sh*t ask yourself:
1. Is slovakia a historically high priced country?
2. Do they have high VAT/GST/Sales Tax?
First
The 5800x3D is selling for 320 euros so I guess 310 is reasonable if the 9600x is faster.
First of all the 5800X3D is for AM4 platform, the 9600X is for AM5. (can't be compared)
Second the 9600X for € 310 meanwhile the already exist 7800X3D in the market cost € 330 ... and you say that: "310 is reasonable" WHAT?!
Oh come on man!!!! Think a bit pls... dont go full retard like AMD with these prices!
5700X3D, which is just 5% slower than 5800X3D, costs about €200-250. And 7500f costs even less.
So €310 for a slightly faster CPU is not appealing at all.
I mean, c'mon, 6 core CPU for €310 in 2024 looks very lame. 6 core chips should have already became budget options (
5700x3d was like ~200€ for past month in Germanys amazon. 800x3d was around 250€ or so.
@@stangamer1151 Yeah new 6 core cpus should be in the $200 range. In fact I'll probably wait for the Ryzen 5 9600 non X to come out at a lower price than 9600X.
5800x3d does not make sense to buy for a brand new system. 7500F are much cheaper than 5800x3d and perform very similiarly both in multithreaded performance and games. That is a much better choice despite a bit higher motherboard and RAM cost.
Cheaper than expected. Dude... you were SERIOUSLY expecting more than 387 Euro for 6 core? And more than 500Euro for 8 core?! BTW. This pricing is bad for 6 core and 8 core. If we throw enough shit at AMD they will lower the price. Or we can wait 'till release, people won't buy it because WTF, AMD will look completely stupid once again and price will drop after 2-3 months.
Finally.... Thanks!
Fate in humanity restored for me. :D
this is not "leaked "pricing...this is some retailer that wants to grab some money with preorders...pricing will probably the same as for the 7000 series, 387 for a 6 core??? never, unless it is a X3D and beats everything that intel has to offer in there 15th gen lineup by at least 10-15%
@@georgwarhead2801 changes nothing. If you think AMD is not watching reactions to this "leak" than you are naive. If there was a positive reception they would 100% concider higher prices (assuming actual planned prices are lower). They all are greedy as f*ck and they will use every opportunity to squeeze consumers like a lemon to the last drop. Therefore whining is necessaty just to stop any sh*tty ideas from getting from their ass to their heads.
the launch price is lower than the launch price of the 7600X
They won't beat the 7800x3d but will cost more then it. I remember first time I smoked meth.
They will probably be around 20-25% faster in multi thread applications and there will be games where they are faster. Games that like the extra cache will be slightly faster on a 7800x3d. Overall averages should be around the same. The 7600x is roughly equivalent to a 5800x3d in multi thread and average gaming performance but there are a few games where the extra cache on the the 5800x3d makes a difference.
Dear Paul, stay out of the business of analyzing pricing. I already don't watch the two Steves because of too much focus on cost analysis which in one year from now will be TOTALLY USELESS statements. You're sitting there bashing pricing for products where you don't even know the pricing of for one, and two NO ONE is twisting a person's arm telling them to go buy any particular part.
AMD has been doing their business quite well for more than 2 decades other than the time when their CPU development went to crap. They've had to compete against two juggernauts, Intel and Nvidia and they're doing OK. However they price the products this is what I know for a FACT, they usually have the smallest profit margin of those 3 companies, so keep that in mind before you start bashing pricing, against a company that typically has the smallest profit margins of those big three tech companies.
This is what I can tell you about CPUs. YOU, or the two Steves CANNOT make a judgement about the millions of variations of workloads and suggest what everyone should buy based on a price, because you don't know what the hundreds of millions of PC users need. People should understand their OWN use cases and decide what's best for them. If for instance I don't ever need a 12 core CPU I don't care HOW GOOD the pricing is, if I spend more to buy it, I wasted money. If I browse the web and watch videos, I can buy a 6 core CPU and it's overkill. If I spend a DIME more for anything more I wasted money. Those be the hard cold facts of CPU usage. If you pay for things you don't need you wasted money.
Intel Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake are far more interesting and better innovation than anything AMD has done in the last 6+ years
Yup, chiplets are definitely irrelevant. 😂
cocaine is a hell of a drug smh 🤦♂🤦♂
If you've used any high end Intel i9 in the past few years you'd have a different perspective. I've lost £1000 gbp on an Asus Vivobook Pro i9-13980HX.. Bought at £2250 and was blue screening out the box. After bios fixes it severely throttled at the slightest look of anything that stresses it. I blamed myself for buying the ASUS (I normally buy Dell Precision workstations) so I bit the bullet and cut my losses buying a brand new Dell Precision with a 14th gen i9.. Same issue just with better build quality. Intel's process tech stagnation is ultimately to blame. You may slight AMD's contributions however even their small core features full hyperthreading and general instruction compatibility (short of more mature AVX extensions).. having used both options... a high end i9 laptop and a high end Ryzen 9 laptop I can attest that AMD, while not exciting you, has the far superior product
The fact that new Intel CPUs drop Hyperthreading bothers me. Many games run much smoother when HT (or SMT) is enabled - less stutters and higher 1% lows.
AMD sucks, intel better
After all the woke propaganda from AMD, I would be surprised if the prices don’t drop much more. They used trans groomers to promote their product, I am out. Stick with Intel guys.
normal price is 824euro and it has discont 20% 659euro for 9950x and so on
Don't waste money on b650. It is basically the same as X570E. Maybe wait for Zen 6 and the chipset beyond x870 or hold out till AM6. The silicon foundries are going to get stuck around 2nm and everything will stagnate and become cheap due to being unable to sell "the next big thing" at a premium.
This will force Nvidia to actually give us more cores instead of a few hundred megahertz improvement and slightly better fake frames behind a paywall.
b650 under $200 is fine. I wouldn't go higher. I don't expect 870 motherboards to be budget friendly...Holding out for AM6 is a couple of years surely...who is honestly going to wait that long? 6 months max if your current system still operates well is all the waiting I have for "Future Proof" tech upgrades.