Ice Skating on VERY Thin Ice - 7 Safety Tips you MUST know if you fall in
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2021
- WARNING - Do not do this (at home)
If you liked this episode, you'll love this one: • Really WILD Ice Skatin...
1. Never skate alone
2. Have the right equipment
3. If you fall in: get big & crawl
4. Stay calm if you fall in
5. Use the ice prods
6. Don't stand too close
7. Go up the same way you came
This video wouldn't look as nice with out the drone support from @dope.lemon - Huge thanks man! Be sure to follow him here: / dope.lemon
Big thanks to Petter, who is always "up for it" when I come up with crazy ideas.
This idea (skating on very thin ice with wetsuits) was born a couple of years ago. Since we free dive and surf in the nordic winter, the cold shouldn't be a problem for us if or when, we break and fall though the ice while skating.
The main goal was to have fun and get experience. By having wetsuits we could train how it feels to go through the ice, without getting cold. I've personally never gone through before this day, except on purpose - which is quite different... Now I know how it feels, and how difficult it is to get up without ice prods.
The secondary goal was to create an informative video that hopefully teaches inexperienced skaters about what you should know before going out ice skating.
Thirdly, I wanted to open up the idea of actually using wetsuits while ice skating, even on thicker ice. It could save lives. Every year about 14 people die while ice skating - only in Sweden. I know that this is a controversial idea in the ice skating community, but I don't care.
How did it feel to go through the ice in wet suits?
First of all, we had thick wetsuits - 6.5.4mm (Petter) and 6.5mm (myself). Personally I didn't feel cold at all. I could stay in the water for a really long time without it affecting me. After getting up I wasn't cold, even though the air temperature was below 0°C. The only two issues I faced was:
1. My hands got a bit cold since I used regular gloves and they got wet.
2. The shoes became damp and a bit heavier.
Other than that - no problem! I even found the wetsuit to be comfortable. This is NOT the last time I'm skating in a wetsuit!
Everything you see the in the video was kind of improvised, in chronological order and without retakes :) 
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Two days ago I went through the ice. Wore all the safety equipment, had my wife there etc. I brought myself up real quick and everything went well. Going out again today. Watching your video as preventative therapy. 😍
The sound…that sound. It’s hard to understand how scary the sound of ice breaking is, until you hear it beneath your feet.
Thank you for sharing! Glad to hear that you are safe.
I've never gone through the ice without a wetsuit, and I recon it's a big difference.
Skating on thin ice should be done with extreme caution with a thick wetsuit or drysuit ;)
I love the sound thin ice makes 😀
Yes! It's really special, but also a bit scary ;)
You love it until you hear it from underneath your feet. Then that love quickly changes into something else…
I love your content dude!
Great video. Very educational. I was wondering what exactly would happen if you go through the ice. Will the ice break in large chunks or rather, as seen in your video, you will fall into a hole?
What about speed? I would assume, if you have speed you will fall over landing on the ice (as happened when the first of you both went through with a foot).
Very scary thought slipping under the ice. Then you are done. Very unlikely you would find the hole in time.
The safest way to do this is to do on water only knee deep. I haven't skated on thin ice but I've walked on ice barely thick enough to hold my weight. It was really fun. I broke through a few times but I only got my feet and legs wet.
Edit: The ice I walked on was thinner than the stuff in the video. I don't think I could have skated on the ice I played on. I had to keep moving while on the ice since the ice would crack more and more if I stood still. Thanks for sharing this video. It was a lot of fun to watch.
Glad you liked it! And I love your idea / activity. A lot safer, but still fun :)
Another good thing you could use instead of a backpack is just a thin life jacket one with a smooth chest that won’t hinder your ability to get out, and easy enough to take off underwater in the case that you can’t get out with it on.
Great input! Didn't thought about it, but it makes sense!
If you should go skating on the thin ice of modern life. Don’t be surprised when a crack in the ice appears under your feet. You step out of your depth and out of your mind with your fear flowing out behind you as you claw the thin ice.
OMG! Best comment I've every received!
Bro said finally I can pee LOL
Haha! There are two types of people in the world. Those who pee in their wetsuits, and those who lie about not peeing in their wetsuits.
I have never heard of this and stumbled upon it after seeing videos of falling icicles. There’s not a lot of ice where I live so these concepts and ideas are out of this world for me! Y’all are crazy!! Love it. Best wishes to all of you. You’re truly living.
Subscribed and liked! Great video I love the drone footage with the ice cracking awesome!... Thank you
Thank you! Glad to hear it! :) Yeah, the cracking noises were really crazy. In my next video I will free dive under the ice - stay tuned!
Such an amazing video! Proper good advice, stunning footage, everything was amazing honestly! Thank you! I'm gonna go jump in a lake eh!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for your kind comment :)
My heart beat is high watching you!! Thank you for potentially saving my life!
Glad you found it useful :)
Loved the video!
I used to scuba dive in cold water with a 7mm wetsuit. Very excited to learn about another way to use it. Hope I can try this activity some day.
I really do not recommend it due to risks. Even with a wet suit you could get trapped under the ice if you fall in. Be careful and take no risks :)
@@TravelOns Thanks!
Great to see! Thanks!
Happy to hear that!
Fantastic in every way!
-Content
Love learning safety tips especially from stellar teachers as yourselves
-beautiful scenic lake & locale
-excellent camera, video & drone filming work, editing, graphics
-Clear, concise
instructions
Safety first always
Be prepared
Thank you both
Thank you Connie! :) Glad you liked it
Loved this! Can't wait to get out onto the ice here in Vermont-NE US.
Have fun! But be careful out there :)
Most excellent!!
Thanks :)
That was useful thanks. Also entertaining.
Thanks :D Glad to hear it!
That amount of dedication deserves a like ;)
Thank you :) Glad you liked it
Lovely video, thank you for taking the effort! Just found you here on YT and subbed. It's a safe and beautiful sport when you're prepared!
I would like to add to your test without a backpack: a skater even has worse buoyancy with regular clothes than with the neoprene suit you had on here. I know you know but it might be good to emphasise ;)
A drysuit might help your floating if it doesn't burp out the air at the neck. I use a very light and comfortable kayaking (Goretex) drysuit sometimes. However, the inside air gets pressed up to your shoulders so no help out of the water. The common tip to attach a leg strap (piece of string) to your backpack is not bad at all.
Thanks again! Happy to hear you subscribed :)
Do you think a drysuit would be more comfortable than a thick wetsuit? I'm not sure. With the wetsuit I can stay in the water for hours ;)
Regarding buoyancy: Yes! You are 100% correct. If you have regular clothing there is a risk of being trapped under the ice. Having a leg strap on the backpack is really clever!
@@TravelOns I think, without having skated in a wetsuit, that a drysuit is better för the whole experience of skating and having a cosy fika-pause :) However the insulation thickness in water from a good wetsuit is hard to beat! What you guys where doing in this vid sure calls for a thick wetsuit!
I for one condition myself somewhat with taking a short swim after kayaking, all winter, in order to avoid a cold shock whether kayaking or skating. IMHO it is really something everyone should practice when doing winter sports on water. Dang, now I sound like your dad... just go out, have fun and have a plan B!
I really liked your video, thank you for the great advice! I was hope you could link you ice prods and some of your other favorite equipment. Thank you for great content!
Also when you fall through the ice what keeps you from sinking, is it just the spreading of your arms hitting the ice on the way down?
I'm sorry if that didn't make sense.
Thank you for your comment! :) Glad you liked it.
I don't have any links because I rarely shop online. I think the ice prods were second hand bought, and my wetsuit + other equipment was bought in a regular store.
Having a backpack filled with air and a strap around the leg will help you float a lot! :) Stay safe!
Really nice video. Gave smile to my face when heard the ice starting to crack :D know the feeling but when not in wet/drysuit it's like your heart jumps to your mouth.. Also would be interesting to hear body weight in info.
Glad you liked it! :) I weigh 75 kg, but with the gear probably 80 kg
awesome👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you! Cheers!
10:59 is why you never want to rent a wet suit. 🙂
Haha! Indeed, there's a 100% chance of old pee being in the wet suit...
Don't get used to it or you'll regret it when upgrading to a dry suit ;)
@@MarcoTedaldi Ouch...
@@MarcoTedaldi Haha, good point!
Falls in the ice "Finally I can pee!" 😂
Glad you noticed my little "joke" :D
Underrated channel
Thank you!
It does not even snow here in Western Australia and I have no intention of ice skating on a lake. But I feel really prepared now and that makes me feel confident lol thank you. Knowledge is power.
Glad you liked it Melissa :)
The way the ice bends under you right before you fall in is vert interesting to see.
Glad you found it interesting :)
I love it
Thanks :)
Nice tips
Glad you liked them :)
this is pretty underrated nice video
Glad you think so!
As I know, by the frequency of the cracking ice you could understand the thickness of the ice. More frequency is more chances to fall down.
Interesting! I think you are correct
Brunnsviken! I though is was full of snow now. (got my office @ AlbaNova) (ah, 3 weeks ago.
Yes! This was shot the day before the snow came! :)
hi whats the name of these spacial skates you are using? Some of them have same tipe of binding like cross country ski
Hi, very interesting! What sort of wetsuit would you advise here to use? Did you use also wetsuit socks for this? any recommendations? thanks in advance!
Glad you liked it :) I used a 6.5mm open cell wetsuit. I think I used regular socks in the shoes. But you can use neoprene socks as well.
However, be careful on the ice. This activity is really dangerous, so don't take any risks.
Theres a semi good way of getting out of ice hole without the particular equipment. You need to make swimming motions with your legs and get yourself parallel with the ice sheet and swim/climb onto the ice. Just pulling yourself out from the hole is really difficult because of how slippery it is and you also put too much pressure on the edge of the ice so it might break.
Ofcource, cold is what makes it magnitudes harder than what we would normally think of the feat.
First time i fell through the ice i would have probably died there if it wasnt for my friend pulling me out. Second time i managed to climb out on my own the way i described. But yeah... the shock of cold is damn crippling. First time i just cramped up, couldnt do shite about it.
Yes, but one should ALWAYS have ice prods while being on the ice. Getting out without them might work, but it's not a guarantee.
@@TravelOns Hence my comment was precisely about that, if you dont have them.
How many people fall through ice every year who dont have ice prods? I certainly didnt have them, then again i was young, adventurous and stupid!
After couple of miserable experiences and fully developed brain, i tend to avoid going on the ice alltogether, unless im fairly confident that its thick enough.
@@rockmcdwayne1710 Yeah! I think a lot of accidents happens because of this. In Sweden plenty of ice fishermen and older ice skaters die every year. I don't know if they have ice prods or not. Even with ice prods it can be quite difficult.
@@TravelOns Truth be told, im not even sure how much help most people get from ice prods. What i mean by that is, the shock of cold is so damn overwhelming, it kind of shuts your brain down. The entire experience is so damn miserable its hard to describe it to someone who hasnt gone through same thing.
Very informative. What length of the skates do you use? Thinking of starting but not sure about the length. 46cm, 49, 51. They all say different.
Thanks! :)
I'm using a 50cm
You guys are F******CRAZY!!! Cool as f*** but soooooo crazy! 😎🤣👍🏻
Haha, thank you I guess :P Glad you enjoyed watching it. You should check out this video as well: ruclips.net/video/AeKgfm2pQmE/видео.html
@@TravelOns Absofuckinglutely a compliment 👍🏻🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wanted to ask you:
1. What are these safety "picks" that you used to drag yourselves out?
2. What do you recommend for a budget yet effective websuit?
3. I skate with hockey skates on lake Ontario, and it's now more than 10cm thick, how safe is it?
Also, thank you for the informative video!
Glad you like it :)
1. Safety picks = Ice prods
Google it and buy them before heading out
2. I use a Mares open cell 6.5mm wetsuit. I think I paid around 250 USD about 8 years ago, still works fine!
3. 10 cm is quite thick, but it depends on the quality of the ice. If there's no bubbles, then 10 cm would hold a car. If the ice has a lot of bubbles and the sun is warming up the ice crystals, 20 cm might not hold YOU!
Be careful out there
I believe the general advice is to always have some one with local knowledge with you, in a few years time that may very well be you passing your knowledge on.
I wanna try that so badly.
Don't do it ;)
Great idea...what type of wet suits do you recommend?
Again, I do not recommend doing this, but thanks :) I would recommend an open cell wetsuit, minimum 5 mm. I used ad 6.5mm wetsuit, and I've used it for "normal" ice skating afterwards. It can become a bit sweaty, but I don't mind since it's a wetsuit.
4:00 , camera angel look the world is round lol. I wonder how deep the watar was at the deepest point. I'd do it in the shallows
Hehe, yes 4:00 is with the GoPro MAX 360 camera. I think this lake is 10 meters deep at it's deepest point :)
Great demo, where was it?
Thanks! This is in Stockholm, Sweden
How does it feel? - Fantastic!
Please put the ice prods in the correct position tight around your neck so that they cannot end up in front of your face if you fall forward. Tight around the neck they will also stay in position and be easier to find.
Whats the thing round your neck? The red and white thing with a whistle on?
They are called ice prods. Safety equipment to get out of the water if you go through. The ice can be really slippery when wet ;)
Even with the wet suit, should you go through and the current moves you how do you break the ice from underneath it to avoid dying?
I'm not sure if I understand your question. But getting underneath the ice is not a good thing. Having a backpack makes you float better, and the risk of getting under the ice will be lower :)
@@TravelOns this person is asking if you can show him how to save yourself if you ever get trapped underneath the ice. He’s asking how do you break it from under the water to save yourself.
@@melcee22 Okey... I don't think you can break the ice from below the surface... If you get trapped under the ice, the only way to save yourself is to find the hole you went in to. I've been diving under the ice and I know that it can be really dangerous.
How do you keep your feet warm after falling in? Wouldn’t your skate and sock be soaked?
Great question! The socks and the shoes are pretty thick, so they work as an insulator. Didn't feel cold at all actually :)
to avoid falling where the ice is too thin to climb back on skate on one foot. You will break through sooner but it will stop you from skating out further into thinner ice that cant be climbed back on to.
That's an interesting tip. But it make sense
WARNING - Do not do this (at home)
It is cold in my apartment, but not _that_ cold...
Glad you like my jokes :D
Wearing a wetsuit makes you float, but if you fall under solid ice and you float, that can have you stuck!
A valid argument for not doing this activity. It is not recommended to do this and I do not recommend anyone to try it ;)
@@TravelOns it's a valid argument to have a proper risk assessment and plan (dress properly, know what to do to get out quick, have cold water training, diving experience, and your car/heat with dry clothes
@@boardingurban I agree! :)
@@boardingurban The 5 min rule might work if you play hockey in a bay or on a lake but the whole idea of nordic/long distance skating is to go far. Here in Sweden you can go for hours between the small islands on the ocean some years or the same on big lakes. Thats why you either wear a dry suit or have a drybag with a a dry set of clothes in your backpack. That also ads buoyancy to the backpack which is really important since you want to float chest high in the water to get up easier. Not having enough buoyancy to non "get stuck" under the ice is just stupid since the best way to make sure you DON'T get dragged under the ice is to have a lot of buoyancy in the first place...
@@BilldalSWE absolutely
Why don’t you attach yourselves to a line about 15 mètres apart?
Satan va bra video, jag måste ut med min wesuit och testa att falla i 😍
Tack! Men var försiktig. Det kan vara farligt även med en tjock våtdräkt. Man kan åka in under isen, då kan det bli farligt. Se till att ha all utrustning och som sagt, ta inga risker :)
@@TravelOns ahh bra poäng, hur gjorde ni med våtdräksfötterna? Stoppade ni i dom i jättestora skridksor?
@@TravelOns ruclips.net/user/shortsib6FxQ2SyH8?feature=share
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Никогда, никогда не делайте это. Очень правильные слова!
да
Hur svårt kan det vara att blurra även på så tunn is? 😀
Faktum är att trots att isen är tunn så är det kärnis, och det finns lite eller ingen luft mellan vattnet och isen, det gör att det blir förvånansvärt hållbart. Is som är tjockare men innehåller mycket luft kan faktiskt vara svagare ;)
Seeing how many warning signs (really thin, cracking noises, visible cracks, ice bending) you had to ignore, I'm wondering if everyone breaking in had to ignore those students signs as well.
Currents and snow change this a lot where especially at the melting season can make the ice unpredictable as it may be significantly thinner just a meter or two in front of you. With snow on top you may have no clue as you can not see the ice. Ice with a lot of snow on top of it melts from underneath and you may run into situation where a current accelerates this melting more in one spot and even completly removing the ice there, but due to the thick snow layer creating a bridge over the part with thin or no ice when you walk up on top you can't se a difference and may walk only on snow for a meter before going thru. Getting up from a hole in the snow with a current dragning you is also a lot harder.
S7rul is correct! The ice was very thin, but strong. If the ice contains a lot of air, it can be thicker but also weaker ;)
Rule number one: do not go to thin ice.
One thing you did not mention at all: undercurrents. And you did not fall completely under water. Even if there is no undercurrents you may slip under ice due lateral speed. And that is not fun situation to recover from. Especially if you happen not learned to swim yet and you do not have prods. Talking about experience here. And hypothermia is not fun experience, either.
Excellent advice! I really do not recommend going out on thin ice due to this reason. We were skating pretty slow because of this reason.
The wetsuit isnt what saves you. Its just more comfortable
so pretty :)
Thanks :)
The problem isn’t cold. The problem is getting trapped under the ice and drowning. If there’s any current then you are dead. If not then if your momentum pulls you under un broken ice then you need to be able to find the hole you broke though. And you have roughly 60 seconds to do so.
Indeed! Having a wetsuit is not 100% safe, but it's safer. That's why I do not recommend others to try this themselves, and always be careful and don't take risks.
It is quite adventurous but dangerous.......
Indeed :)
Video without music so we can hear the ice >>>>>>
Please post them without music
Great idea! :) Maybe I will. If this comment gets more than 10 likes, I will 100% do it ;) If not, maybe I will do it.
Dutch??
Swedish :)
I don't see the appeal of skating on ice that feels like its about to crack beneath your feet. That would just give me PTSD haha
You don't have too ;) You can just watch this video, hehe
:D
Surely if I was skating on thin ice I wouldn't have the possibility of... Falling in...?
Yes! The purpose of the video was to gain experience, and with a wetsuit it's a little bit safer. Still not safe, but safer.
Remember to never stab yourself in the leg with your ice prods.
Excellent advise!
Always wear your gloves , skating or in the water
Great tip XD
To me, gloves make an awful lot of difference as to how easy it is for me to climb back onto the ice. I am one of these winter swimmers. There are not many of us but there are a few.
@@TravelOns In that case you do not have ice prods? There is MUCH evidence that you quickly loose your ability to use your hands because of cooling. Maybe, maybe if you have double gloves and the outer is too thick, but no, you have to reconsider your choice of gloves then. And when skating the reason is not to cut your hand when falling. You can get nasty damage from the skates, your own or from others.
@@paulingvar Yes, you should always wear gloves. Who skates without gloves? Never seen anyone without gloves while skating :)
@@vernoncooke7348 I'm also a winter swimmer :) Wim Hof Method FTW
Great video. Lose the background music.
Thanks :)
Safety tip number one stay off the thin ice🥴
I agree
1st most important safety tip... don't skate on thin ice.
Yes, that's the safest tip!
Requires balls of steel
Haha
Just go to Baikal now and don't care
Would love to go there in the future. Looks so cool!
Not my cup of tea
I can totally understand :)
Here is a sefety tip. Don't!
Yes! The best tip. But if you fall in, it's good to know what to do ;) Many people die every year, just in Sweden. I hope this number will go down to zero in the future.
sorry, can’t watch anymore!
Too scary?
First tip, dont
Haha, the best tip!
Apetor, we love and miss youuu.
Yes, he is really missed :(
First tip: Dont do it.
That is the safest tip ever!