How Dirty Does Fionn Get Shafted As A Servant?
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2024
- 24 minutes glazng fionn because fgo hoed him, enjoy
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*Random Japanese historical figure*
Fgo: give them godlike power!
*revered non-Japanese historical figure*
Fgo: dunno. Give them a swordbeam and call it a day
Facts lol
Unless they’re Arthurian of course
Greek minor goddess: *gets buffed*
Fgo: She’s op… but lets forget she exists because she’s a background character
Of course the writer is Japanese and they'll have to sell it Japanese people what do you expect?😂
When I first got into fate, I was happy to find out he was a servant only to find out he was Nerf. I was happy and disappointed. Hopefully one day they decide to utilize him better.
@@zold9896 I mean Mordred is most definetly the weakest warrior servant I can remember atm
Bro was robbed, riddiculed, and rejected before he even appeared for realsies
Nasu giving gege a run for his money.
Love how he says his noble phantasm says it could slay divine spirits, yet does nothing but lower attack
Wait wait wait we just gonna go over the fact his omniscience allows him to understand and create a divine structure equivalent...
Why isnt his item construction skill at max !?
Because he’s not in the Caster Class
@@midnight4956but other servants can have other classes skills because of their lore, that's why some of them have madness enhancement or territory creation depending on what they did without being berserker or caster respectively
The fact finn has full knowledge on how to recreate and use one of the four treasures of the god equivalents of his region should definitely reflect somewhere
@@Recon-601 True but maybe there`s apossibility that they might want to make another version of him. We did get Saber Diarmuid in the past maybe we can get a Saber version of Fionn? I would like to see a stronger version of him appear.
Imagine they make him Grand Saber, they wouldn't, but imagine.
I'd love to see this
Honestly if the writers can stick to the lore he could be at least a candidate for grand saber, lancer and caster
@@g04234 He should be a candidate for Grand everything ngl
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 not sure about assassin and archer but maybe rider and berzerker but hey there is a reason why some people call lore fionn "irish gilgamesh".
@@g04234 His son Oisin rode a horse across the sea into the land of the Tuatha Dé Danann (gods), Tír na Nóg, where he gained temporary eternal youth, if anything, he should be grand Rider
You should make this into a series now talk about how Rama got shafted like Fionn too lmao.
Ah yea bro got shafted too
Then again most servants are nerfed, even karna
@@mfwiloseintouhoubossfights9305 I mean, he was nerfed for the sake of fairness. Reducing damage by a lot is still very powerful, but a lot more fair than being completely invincible agaisnt everything ever.
That should be a series all on its own 😭 all the characters that get shafted horribly
Level 100 Fionn owner here. Glad some people show him the respect he deserves.
Fionn got shafted so hard that caenis and gildemesh feel pitty for him. Alya and gaea give him the middle finger ever time he is summoned by a master.
Based on what I'm hearing about Fionn, he is supposed to be a grand level Servant with how many phantasms he has.
There is no connection between being a Grand and the number of NPs servant has, otherwise Gilgamesh will be Grand in all classes
@@E0ns It might not be a requirement but it helps. When it comes to qualifying for and actually becoming a Grand Servant, what matters is whether or not the Counter Force determines that said Heroic Spirit is qualified for taking on the current Beast they'll be summoned to combat. Orion is a good example as one of the greatest hunters in history he was originally summoned as a Grand Archer to help hunt down Koyanskaya. It's not that he was the most powerful Archer (although he's high up there) it was that his particular skills and noble phantasms were best suited to countering that particular threat.
This means that Heroic Spirits with more noble phantasms have higher odds of qualifying for Grand status as they are more likely to have the tools in their kit that the Counter Force is looking for. However, the reason that Gilgamesh is so powerful and yet doesn't qualify is because he's not an expert at using any of his noble phantasms aside from Ea which has way too high of a collateral damage potential as an Anti-World NP. If Gilgamesh were summoned as a Grand then he'd likely not be skilled and/or willing enough to deal with the problem with anything besides overwhelming force. Although the Counter Force is not against such tactics, Beasts are serious opponents and Archer Gilgamesh is a bit of a loose cannon. It would be extremely messy.
@@kylepessell1350 What you say seems logical, but there are two things
The first, if I remember, is that SNI (if its true name is released) has the ability to guide Gilgamesh with the best tactics to deal with any situation (so he will know how to act against beasts). The second, I am not sure that Gilgamesh has not mastered anything other than Ea. I mean, he fought Enkidu, who is a top-tier close range fighter, for three days, even though Enkidu had the ability to block GoB and Ea.
(Gilgamesh's high divinity may also have something to do with him not being summoned as Grand)
@@E0ns I'm sure that Gilgamesh could be summoned as a Grand but there are probably good reasons why he hasn't been. I was just speculating about some of those reasons but in reality we know very little about what the Counter Force even is let alone how it functions. It could be simply that Gilgamesh refuses to answer those summons if Heroic Spirits have a choice whether or not to take on that role. It could also be that the Counter Force doesn't trust Gilgamesh with that kind of responsibility. Hard to say.
Can’t believe they really took parts of this man legend to try to make scatach relevant 🤦🏾♂️😭
dont forget his thumb also gave him the ability to know past, present and future meaning Finn was Solomon, merlin and Gilgamesh in one
Yeah she should have been on pair of scathtach as well
@@brian_Austin27 he should be far stronger remember that scatach only feat in lore is teaching cu and ruling the land of shadow while lore fionn is literaly irish gilgamesh
Gilgamesh can see the past, present and future as mentioned in Kaleid. Not only that, Gilgamesh can see the possibilities of parallel worlds and travel through the texture of the planet to see all phenomena. We are not done, SNI also raises the offensive and defensive power of Gilgamesh and his team. *Gilgamesh will always be number one*
@@E0ns since fucking when can Gil see past present and future as stated in all media Gil has future sight alone being able to see parallel worlds to determine the best options if he could see past and present then it should have been brought up
@@durrangodsgrief6503 It is mentioned that Gilgamesh is able to see the past, present, and future in "Fate/kaleid Liner Prisma☆Illya 3Rei - Chapter 62.2 (manga)" Gil even saw 6,000 years into the past.
It is also mentioned that Gilgamesh is omniscient in FGOAC. Quote:-
*Enkidu* :: Gil, if you care so much, why don't you just use one of your Noble Phantasms?
*Gilgamesh* :: Nonsense! To think I would use *my Noble Phantasm of omniscience* for such a trifle!?
*Gilgamesh* :: What am I to say to Siduri in the underworld if I disgrace myself so───
*Enkidu* :: Oh, were you planning to pass through the underworld on your way back?
Gilgamesh can see the details of parallel worlds and all their events.
(plus to the rest of the abilities I mentioned in my previous comment)
I’m gonna be honest I didn’t think much of Fionn at first but now this is just tragic especially since Di and Cu are in multiple classes.
The problem is that cu and diarmuid in their classes are still nerfed because no class gives them their abilities in a good mix
He should have been 5 Star SSR Servants just like Artoria and Sigurd.
Thanks for making a video on Fionn and showing how cool he is, you should do one for David’s and his Mighty Men, which is his equivalent of his knights of the round, and the similarities between the stories of David and Arthur, like the son that betrays his father and causes a civil war, and David’s connection with Lancelot and Galahad by blood.
What I wouldn't do to see Absalom in the game. Bro was the og mordred.
Goosebumps. No wonder this guy managed to win against a RULER! AND HE IS NERFED.
I've been waiting on this one since I read up on his mythology. Smh. Homie got the ultimaye shaft.
Honestly Fate just has a tendency to do everyone from Ireland astronomically dirty 😭😭
I hope nasu them and type moon be seeing your videos and reading the comments because they really be needing to hear our complaints
Rewatching this, I just realised both swords, Moralltach and Beagalltach, that Saber Diarmund has, belonged to Fionn... Yet another Servant stealing from him without Fionn getting any credit...
Amen! Fionn was the prototype of King Arthur and Diarmuid the blueprint of Ser Lancelot! Both got treated poorly, dirty. Sigh
The moment I knew fionn was shafted was when he was summoned by Darnic in the 3rd grail war and in the moon grail war he is like immortal and sleeping under Dublin. It's obvious nobody cared about his lore and just saw he had multiple wives and was cucked once. It's infuriating
That's how me and most americans feel about Paul Bunyan tbh.
@@mistake1197 at least for fgo there is a canonical explaination even tough they could have put it in their profile (like how scatach became a servant) but out of fgo there is literaly no excuse
Hoping we get a 5* ruler Fionn and do something crazy in verse
Fionn is done so dirty in fgo I'm convinced whoever wrote him in the game for his first appearance didn't know anything about him aside from being Diarmund's leader.
Wonder if Fionn's treatment has anything to do with his perceived marketability or lack thereof. Not being a waifu might have led to this awful downplay.
I like how when I first saw this video and opened up Fgo Fionn is the servant that pops up
And Hektor still CAN'T wear his Shining Helmet, despite everyone calling him by the title *"Hektor of the Shining Helmet...."*
I played an rpg card game called Heroes of camelot and Fionn was in it and in its early days Fionn has been a broken meta for years and anyone who has had him could make a broken party and even 1 copy of him would make the a party a force to be reckoned with. Such was the powerhouse he was in that game until even 2021 but in fgo he's been downplayed so much just for everyone to simp for Scathach and Medb and her weird Knock na Riabh version 😂. Well at least they were somewhat good to Cu chulainn.😅
man everyone in the lancer class gets done the most dirt
Damn... my bad G I'll put more respect to Fionn
Hoping we get super Fion
SMTV Fionn is a pretty neat showing of how cool he should be on average.
SMT Fionn is such a Chad I kept him into multiple NG+s
Yup the only demon who doesn't need a human to become a nahobino
In terms of lore power, not particularly bad. He’s got some strong Parameters, good Class Skills, a number of impressive Personal Skills and three powerful Noble Phantasms, and it’s suggested that him being summoned in a different Class would only increase his strength.
I’d put his gameplay performance down to bad implementation and I hear he’s doing somewhat better after his Skill Upgrades.
In terms of Personality…he’s not looking too good. Obnoxiously flirting with Mash (legally a MINOR at the time), bragging to other Servants and passive-aggressively sniping at Diarmuid did little to endear him to me to the point where he is the ONLY Servant I chose to convert into a Rare Prism. With all that said, we still can’t deny his assistance during Salomon or the Enma-Tei event.
Now I'm pretty sure if they didn't make this guy a grand servant to make up for their blunder, some people will definitely riot.
Tho making a 5* version of him would be nice too.
Man... Fionn and many pther Servants were done dirty...
At least some like Romulus and Prion have had different takes to them as Grand Servants. Maybe we can get a Grand Lancer Fionn that fixes him too now that the Grand Lancer seat lies empty...
Poor fionn not only He got NTR'd by Diurmund, so he's shitty in-game DW logic his character got fuck over 😞
I feel like the Japanese love the British way too much
Irish king Arthur, woukd have made for an awesome option for lb6.. but.
God bless you, finally glad someone put some respect on heroes name
Most celtic heroes are shafted even medb she knew how to fight
God finally someone talks about this. I still dont understand why they shafted him this hard or why they shafted all the celts this hard. I mean sure they tried with Scathach but they only ever do that with female servants.
Would slap if they were the grand saber
hes such a chad he should be a grand servant
Honestly, an accurate example of how many weapons and feats Fionn had in myth for modern day would be Adventure Time on Cartoon Network.
Treasure trove at his front door, way too many swords, killing gods, and he wasn’t even 17
This it's something I was looking for ^^!!! Well praise
You should make it a series with other shafted servants
You know, now that you mention it I remember always thinking his Water NP should be healing him. After all, in anime water is usually used to heal. Think Avatar Last Air Bender as just one example. Basically he should have had the Percival heal either for himself or the whole team.
Even his profile dirextly says he has healing powers.
Fionn got the Guts route, without the any knowing of what he could even become....made such a great character into a womanizer...shame. I hope he gets more recognition somehow
Will we possibly get an Irish Lostbelt chapter?
Nah since the whole lostbelts are over, but the ordeal call arc is still there
@@angelcarrasco7801 Ah I see.
Rama next pls 🙏
RIP Irish King Arthur
Golden rule
If you're not japanese your only hope to have some recognition is to either be related to king arthur or the emiya famiy
I unironically need a Ritsuka vid. Because I see people claiming he is one of the weakest protagonists and others basically glazing him. Which you is more accurate?
Depends on how you define weak.
@@BygoneT i am talking combative/how well they would do if the protagonists swapped grail wars. I am leaning on the weaker side. Would argue some protagonists would handle FGO better.
@@yandereneko5523wich protagonists would handle fgo better?
@@capetel368 assume Bazzett given she is super busted. Maybe Prisma Illya and Shirou. That is my opinion anyway. Kirisugu likely does worse, as his kit is meant for fighting masters and I doubt he would get along with Chaldea.
@@yandereneko5523 Oh I see, depending on how accurate you want to be to on statements, or how true they can even be, it's pretty irrelevant.
Nasu has talked about stuff like Kadoc taking Ritsuka's place, saying he couldn't do it because he needs Lostbelt Anastasia specifically to even have a shot, her being much stronger than proper history her, and him having too weak plot armour.
I still can't wrap my head around this statement since the very author says you need plot armour to finish the regular singularities.
Kirschtaria is kind of the very top of the cream of mages, Nasu said he would do the best, but he couldn't beat one singularity in particular because they wouldn't help mash as a person and she is needed to win, that's kind of needed.
Going by this we need a human hearted master. This all but leaves only people like Shirou, Rin, Waver, etc.
Anyone starting out like this who is a better mage automatically has a better chance.
An adult waver has good chances imo. Much better than fujimaru, since he is also someone who is human, but also adept at magic combat.
Rin is a bit of a question mark given how she is a master of the 5 elements which only Paracelsus ever was in human history. That said, if we take the past as an example, she might fail at important times.
She could become so incredibly broken she couldn't be stopped with Medea's help, or any major caster.
Shirou is also a problem, Anime UBW is the strongest version we have (Miyuverse doesn't count), the real question is can he even function as a human. I don't know what happens to his magic circuits after Rin is out of he equation.
That said, with Saber there he is actually invincible. There's not much to say about this. He is sort of auto win. He can pull his weight from the start, has the personality needed to make mash work, can project Avalon, use every NP archer has recorded including Harpe, can even challenge specific servants like Arjuna himself, and the anime all but puts bin on equal footing with archer towards the end of the fight, where he keeps absorbing Archer's existence.
But that would be canon altering, the pulling his weight thing, because no way does Olga die with Shirou around. There's no way to tell what happens in FGO If someone can avoid these major points.
Alternatively the discussion is pointless because depending on how you understand GO, all those servants need the most unremarkable, boring, untalented joke of a person to function together.
They say this themselves multiple times in their voice lines. They praise Fujimaru for being character and quirkless, and mention how it may just be because of this that evil and good are balanced in chaldea.
This pisses me off to no end but whatever.
Do a tier list of fgo main stories
this is a random question for anyone really, but do servants summoned in singularities and lostbelts get territory advantege if they r in their country of legend?
My only problem with Fionn is he needs to leave my Mash alone ! 😂
Now I need a story or a bit in fgo of him being a mc
Hey now, at least he got an animation update
Watch they’re going to make another grand lancer and it’s be Fion but with all his stuff. lol
I mean he still a god servant, i think people just hate him because of spooks
Fgo is bullsh*t, it can be enjoyed as a entirely different series. But they really do degrade the famous historic figures to suit their taste.
Fionn in fgo doesn't look anything like he does in zero's flash back scene.
They somehow made him look more boring 🫤
Yh that's lore accurate. Fionn loses his blonde hair due to shenanigans that differ depending on rendition
Attempt 109 of asking you to do a video on white wolf's world of darkness
Do a vid like this on blackbeard next
Even I got to admit he got ho'd and I'm English, so you know he was done dirty because historically England and Ireland weren't really the bestof friends.
I agree with u during colonization a lot of Christians who belong from European cultures stole or even appropriated histories of others to make their stories of their figures more better and entertaining and white washed them, and other history is factual proven in the time periods they come from and a lot of Christians scrubbed histories of the irish history and many others and applied them to themselves, a lot of Roman, Greek and European history came from African historys cuz that's where they learned from, an example is Andromeda their is confusion among her race because people take the history of others than where she exactly came from, she's an Ethiopian princess, but somehow people say she's Greek and arabic due to some sort of story about her and it litterly says she's Ethiopian, which Ethiopia exists today and most of the natives were African not greek or Arabic, and Hercules was also seen defeated on an African coin by two Africans warriors like he was restrained. A lot of Europeans either lied or greatly exaggerated their history when their history comes from other histories thats why a lot of them have way to many similarities many of the greek and romans gods are definitely based off the yoruba gods in egypt even some Egyptians gods and African has the oldest civilization records, their are barely any records of king Arthur other than stories and some even question if he was real while Egyptians have birth records and recordings of their history till this day other than stories
She is from aethiopia not ethiopia and besides the name their is a disconnect between the two regions described it's like saying Austria and Australia are the same place
Can you made Mahabharata lore Characters 😶
This is something I dislike about Fate. You have this cool characters from myth and history, but they don't have to shine. Wether it's because of plot or the author's writing (not just Nasu). In FGO you could say they have more time to give them a spotlight, but no. I'm a fan of both Fionn and Diarmuid and seeing them reduced to memes it's sad. Funnily enough, they gave Fionn a voice line if you have Wandjina. It goes something like "A fairy from a far away land... Why are you following me?".