as a short and light rider I enjoy my United Shapes Horizon 151 for carving, blew me away how stable it is and since it's softer than most "carving boards" I can actually take advantage and flex it out in my turns.
I got a Jones Hovercraft a couple years ago and I never want to ride my regular board anymore (even on non powder days). The Hovercraft just feels so powerful and fast. The only thing I don’t like it for is jibs. Well and riding switch of course.
I love that your pushing the "camber dominate" board's. They need work to ride but way better than the rockered out with little to nothing in camber to pop in/out of turn's. Shred safe!🤙
@rolling edges, only beginner to intermediate use reversed camber. Usually, from a point, any rider wants more control when riding. You cannot have that with reverse camber. The good thing is, even for us, the less skilled ones, there are versions of camber boards that we can ride without being killed on every run. #thankGOD(designers, I mean)forcamrockandScamber.
@@filipvitek204 Super fluid carving for a twin board in my opinion .thanks to that 3BT and the camber profile combo it just makes it easy to go from toe to heel with ease. I feel confident on it at higher speeds too. It’s surprisingly more capable than I would have expected. Actually can’t say enough good things about the board to be honest.
As a senior citizen I think differently. My carveboards are 5.7 and 7.8 Factory Primes with Physics bindings and Fire boots. My powderboard is 6.9 Alp with SI-X bindings and drifter boots. different strokes for different folks....
he likes to cover boards that are great for a lot of stuff. The only korua suited to anything other than posi posi carving is the cafe racer (my opinion obviously but they basically say the same thing on their website). Which just isnt what most people want when they think carving board unless its the 3rd or 4th in their quiver (which again not a lot of people have that big of a quiver). But facts... korua makes some great shapes.
I guess you rate the K2 Simple Pleasures above Party Platter here because it felt stiffer at similar size thus a better hard carver. I tested both, but i went for PP 2020 for carve and pow :)
Exactly I think the Simple Pleasures offers a bit more stability and a more aggressive feel that is valuable when you're riding faster. Party Platter is also a really fun board though with some snappy energetic turns no doubt!
Hey, how does party wave in steep pistes ? I spend most of the time carving pistes, and some pow when lucky. I am looking for a great carving snowboard but really love the style of party wave :D. Would u have some recommendation ? Thanks
I ride for few years on NVR SMR proto hd 152 I really love this board But i need some board with stability in high speeds, Great carving and good float in powder.. I find these boards Arbor A-frame Bataleon party wave + Wich one is better for me? And what size should i get? Im 175cm tall And 67kg
It's not about height. It's about weight and volume/surface area of the board. Rider weight and surface area play heavily into the float characteristics of how a snowboard performs in powder, however this video is about carving, where sidecut radius, length and stiffness are more important aspects to consider on groomers. Three dimentional bases will also be a factor in how they initiate and come out of turns. Also look into contact length and effective edge when considering how a board will perform on piste. These aren't your late 90's early 2000's boards, it doesn't have to come up to your chin to be the right size anymore. Lots of factors to consider including riding style, stance and setback. After that we're going to have a conversation about hardbooters.
Other than the swallow-tail, and, of course, modern Lightness & Flexy-ness, this (the Bataleon) seems to be a LOT like my '94 Gordo FF 151?! I still have two of those, and they Carve & float like champs, AND have extra-thick bases/Edges for Grind abuse and Glade romps. "PSR"
One thing I always wondered is whetger it's actually important of where you ride the board. Like, is there a difference when you ride those boards in Colorado vs riding it in Europe/Austria? If so, do you have experience in riding both locations and can highlight some of the aspects important for snowboard selection? I've never been snowboarding somewhere else, so I don't really have a comparison of the conditions.
Really pow and carve are different activities.In my opion if you want a carve board you have to buy a narrow, long and a real camber board.I own a jones hovercraft and its a pow machine that can carve but you feel rocker nouse.
Really interested in the Party Wave +. At 5'8 160lbs size 8 boot should I be looking at the 48 or 51? This would be my first short fat board and first bataleon. Currently ride Capita mercury and Lib tech box knife. Need a board for when it dumps. Your vids are pure quality btw. Thanks.
Thanks Chris. I think if powder is going to be a main focus I'd get the 151. I weigh around 150lbs and the 151 still had plenty of stability and a nice sturdy flex. You'll have more surface area for more float with the 151, and a slightly more flexy playful feel with the 148 but I think you would really enjoy either size to be honest.
So is Camber good for carving? I bought a DC PBJ camber board because the shopkeeper told me it was good for all mountain and carving. I explained what I was looking for in a snowboard and this is the one he recommended. Did he lie to me for the sale? I want a board for speed and carving. I'm not a terrain park person at the moment (maybe later on after I've gained some more experience and have some free time if I break something, lol). I live in MN, but want to travel for more mountain action (we do have mountains in MN). I'm a beginner rider moving into intermediate and fast improving (I ride a lot). The board I learned on appears to be a Burton camber (it was gifted to me by a friend and is fairly old). Any recommendations? I was looking into the CAPiTA birds of a feather 2021 if I don't keep the DC. I need something that will take care of me as I continue to progress. Not looking to spend money on something I wont be using by next season y'know?
I am 5'4" 165 lbs boot size 8-8.5. I am at the upper end of the weight spectrum for the 148 and right in the middle of the spectrum for the 151 with a waist width of 27.9. which should I go with? Any suggestions? Will the 151 be too big? I normally ride 151-154cm boards with a regular waist width. Should I be sizing down to the 148 with a waist width of 27.8?
Hey TJ. I just picked up a 2nd hand 2017 ultracraft . I only got it becuase it was a super cheap deal. My local mountain doesnt get much powder. Mostly hard packed alpine conditions- how do you think it will hold up on firm groomers?
So I am looking for a daily driver board for resort riding at Breck and Keystone, that holds an edge and carves up the groomers no matter the conditions. Is the Party Wave + a good choice?
TJ, question for you on the Bataleon PW+. I’m currently riding an older Jones flagship 158(fairly stiff)and mostly ride groomers and some pow for high speed carving. I’m 5’10, 210lbs with size 11 boot. Will the 5.5 flex hold up for me while carving and turning, or should I find something a bit stiffer like another Flagship or Hovercraft, or a Bataleon Thunder or Carver?
Was looking towards T.Rice orca for carving / occasional pow and going one size down. Big fan of magne-traction since it could be icy here on the east coast. What do you think?
Work on your setup turn so you are coming off of the jump straight. Your rotation comes from unwinding your shoulders as you pop. Your lower body will follow your head and shoulders
Such a great video. Thanks TJ! Hopefully you or someone here can answer this, but I’m 5-11, 160-165, size 11.5 boot, would the party wave + in 151 be significantly different in riding from the 154?
I still love my Burton Custom X.. Very stiff full camber board. But you need to work it... Otherwise you won't get the full out off this board. I really want to enjoy some powder... But Covid still rules in Europe. 🙄
taper means the tail of the snowboard is narrower than the nose. This reduces the surface area in the back and makes it easier to stay ontop of soft snow, it is also noticeable carving. Size is based primarily on your weight, and also depends on the specific board(s) you're looking at. How much do you weigh? what's your boot size? what boards are you considering?
literally as I was digging through your archives looking for this video
Yewww
The actual Archive
Party wave is looking like my next board more and more. Just love the style
Gave to grandson for Christmas and he loves it. He is just learning to snowboard so he was thrilled with it. Thanks so much.
Board Archive Stickers
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as a short and light rider I enjoy my United Shapes Horizon 151 for carving, blew me away how stable it is and since it's softer than most "carving boards" I can actually take advantage and flex it out in my turns.
Dude, ur skillz are sick. i think ive watched this review 5 times already! Keep the awesome content coming! Headed to Breck in 2 weeks.
Bataleon Party Wave looks insanely fun
I got a Jones Hovercraft a couple years ago and I never want to ride my regular board anymore (even on non powder days). The Hovercraft just feels so powerful and fast. The only thing I don’t like it for is jibs. Well and riding switch of course.
haha yea definitely not ideal for jibs, and has a different feel initiating turns switch.
Not riding switch is only half snowboarding.
Korua boards are also worth mentioning in this category IMO.
unfortunately Korua boards are not very accessible in the US. would love to demo some of their boards
Well .. the stingray is basically a tf+ with smaller Sidecut ... And a higher price
I own Gentemstick Mantaray, they great for carve, fast board & floating very well on powder.
I love that your pushing the "camber dominate" board's. They need work to ride but way better than the rockered out with little to nothing in camber to pop in/out of turn's. Shred safe!🤙
Camber dominant is where it’s at! Especially for carving
@rolling edges, only beginner to intermediate use reversed camber. Usually, from a point, any rider wants more control when riding. You cannot have that with reverse camber. The good thing is, even for us, the less skilled ones, there are versions of camber boards that we can ride without being killed on every run. #thankGOD(designers, I mean)forcamrockandScamber.
I love my Simple Pleasures. It is great on groomers and is way fun in powder.
I’ve really been thinking about the Party Wave +. Ever since I got my Evil Twin I am in love with the 3BT feel of Bataleon snowboards.
How do you feel about carving with Evil Twin? Is it doable?
@@filipvitek204 Super fluid carving for a twin board in my opinion .thanks to that 3BT and the camber profile combo it just makes it easy to go from toe to heel with ease. I feel confident on it at higher speeds too. It’s surprisingly more capable than I would have expected. Actually can’t say enough good things about the board to be honest.
Might need to get a carving board someday
Let's gooooo
Surprised the orca didn't make the list! Love ur videos
As a senior citizen I think differently. My carveboards are 5.7 and 7.8 Factory Primes with Physics bindings and Fire boots. My powderboard is 6.9 Alp with SI-X bindings and drifter boots. different strokes for different folks....
Lib Tech MC Wayfinder is another awesome board.
How you doing a carving boards and not have a korua
pencil all day
Real realise real haha
he likes to cover boards that are great for a lot of stuff. The only korua suited to anything other than posi posi carving is the cafe racer (my opinion obviously but they basically say the same thing on their website). Which just isnt what most people want when they think carving board unless its the 3rd or 4th in their quiver (which again not a lot of people have that big of a quiver). But facts... korua makes some great shapes.
also idk if theyve ever given him one to ride
Capita Kazu pro is a beast at carving
One of my favorites, it was a tough call whether or not to include. Would be an honorable mention for sure
Hey TJ, you should try Amplid Surfari one day!
I guess you rate the K2 Simple Pleasures above Party Platter here because it felt stiffer at similar size thus a better hard carver.
I tested both, but i went for PP 2020 for carve and pow :)
Exactly I think the Simple Pleasures offers a bit more stability and a more aggressive feel that is valuable when you're riding faster. Party Platter is also a really fun board though with some snappy energetic turns no doubt!
Is it possible to get a full review of the Party wave +?
Props for the vids
I don’t have pow where I live in Ohio but I love carving and jumps and the lib hot knife is great for that
Where are you in Ohio?
I ride in Michigan and have a powder carving board also, it is covered in dust.
@@neutronstar9038 mad river
Nathan Fiant what’s up man? Fellow Ohio rider here that rips MI and NY most of the time... where you ride dude?
Please do a Bataleon the one review can’t find anything anywhere on it and looks like a banging board
full camber is the way to go (IMO). check out the Nidecker Rave
Hey, how does party wave in steep pistes ? I spend most of the time carving pistes, and some pow when lucky. I am looking for a great carving snowboard but really love the style of party wave :D. Would u have some recommendation ? Thanks
Jones Hovercraft + Hokkaido = Yeah!
I want a Sting Ray!
I'll take one of each Gentem pls 😆
You guys should ride Amplid's board ! The Pentaquark is probably the number 1 carving board...
thanks. wudda been cool to see a visual of each board too, but thanks.
I'm riding the boards in the video, but they are all linked in the description if you want to check them out more
I ride for few years on NVR SMR proto hd 152
I really love this board
But i need some board with stability in high speeds,
Great carving and good float in powder..
I find these boards
Arbor A-frame
Bataleon party wave +
Wich one is better for me?
And what size should i get?
Im 175cm tall
And 67kg
Notice!!!
Gentemstick outsourced half of its board manufacturing to China. The Sting Ray and Mantaray are manufactured in China, not Niseko, Japan.
The people need a twin carving board video--looking at the ride twinpig 156w, but need something a bit stiffer with more camber
Party wave + in a twin. I want one
@@modobigdog Magic carpet?
Epic review love the channel buddy 🤙🤙
I love how you dance on snow TJ.. on any board
Great content as always, TJ.
I got size 16 mens feet. Any recommendations?
What did you think of brecks early season trails? I was there Friday and it was just kinda whatever. Keystone has been much better.
always the best vids from u tj!
Since your running a 151 I'm curious as to how tall you are man?
It's not about height. It's about weight and volume/surface area of the board. Rider weight and surface area play heavily into the float characteristics of how a snowboard performs in powder, however this video is about carving, where sidecut radius, length and stiffness are more important aspects to consider on groomers. Three dimentional bases will also be a factor in how they initiate and come out of turns. Also look into contact length and effective edge when considering how a board will perform on piste. These aren't your late 90's early 2000's boards, it doesn't have to come up to your chin to be the right size anymore. Lots of factors to consider including riding style, stance and setback. After that we're going to have a conversation about hardbooters.
hey man, great video as always, I currently ride a capita mercury 157, looking to pick up a pw+, im 160-170lbs, 5'11. should i go for the 154 or 151
Other than the swallow-tail, and, of course, modern Lightness & Flexy-ness, this (the Bataleon) seems to be a LOT like my '94 Gordo FF 151?! I still have two of those, and they Carve & float like champs, AND have extra-thick bases/Edges for Grind abuse and Glade romps. "PSR"
I love my orbit would buy another
I got the impression the Flagship was the board Jones designed more for carving than the Hovercraft?
I ride the hovercraft and can confirm it is a beast for powder and long drawn out carves
nope, flagship is ok for carving but hovercraft is like made for it
My bro carves the Hovercraft so hard, really good for it
Shocked the Korua Dart didn't make the list.
Me as well
Omg how i love snowboarding!
What’s you opinion on the Slash ATV for carving and stability?
One thing I always wondered is whetger it's actually important of where you ride the board. Like, is there a difference when you ride those boards in Colorado vs riding it in Europe/Austria? If so, do you have experience in riding both locations and can highlight some of the aspects important for snowboard selection?
I've never been snowboarding somewhere else, so I don't really have a comparison of the conditions.
Really pow and carve are different activities.In my opion if you want a carve board you have to buy a narrow, long and a real camber board.I own a jones hovercraft and its a pow machine that can carve but you feel rocker nouse.
Narrow is not especially great for carving unless you have small feet or run big angles. You'll boot out.
@@Tych333 narrow respect your feet
Just picked up the party wave stoked to sink in some carves and charge the hill
Enjoy it man!
I’m surprised the SuperPig isn’t on the list
Me too
Really interested in the Party Wave +. At 5'8 160lbs size 8 boot should I be looking at the 48 or 51? This would be my first short fat board and first bataleon. Currently ride Capita mercury and Lib tech box knife. Need a board for when it dumps. Your vids are pure quality btw. Thanks.
Thanks Chris. I think if powder is going to be a main focus I'd get the 151. I weigh around 150lbs and the 151 still had plenty of stability and a nice sturdy flex. You'll have more surface area for more float with the 151, and a slightly more flexy playful feel with the 148 but I think you would really enjoy either size to be honest.
Hey Tj, have you ever been to Cataloochee Ski in North Carolina?
In Va and trying to get out this weekend and that’s the closest resort open..
Have to try out those Korua Snowboards;)
I've only ever tried the Dart! I think, as a brand, all of their boards are amazing carvers. The Dart is as well, but too directional for this list.
Very helpful thanks
So is Camber good for carving? I bought a DC PBJ camber board because the shopkeeper told me it was good for all mountain and carving. I explained what I was looking for in a snowboard and this is the one he recommended. Did he lie to me for the sale? I want a board for speed and carving. I'm not a terrain park person at the moment (maybe later on after I've gained some more experience and have some free time if I break something, lol). I live in MN, but want to travel for more mountain action (we do have mountains in MN). I'm a beginner rider moving into intermediate and fast improving (I ride a lot). The board I learned on appears to be a Burton camber (it was gifted to me by a friend and is fairly old). Any recommendations? I was looking into the CAPiTA birds of a feather 2021 if I don't keep the DC. I need something that will take care of me as I continue to progress. Not looking to spend money on something I wont be using by next season y'know?
Which one of these was best in trees
I am 5'4" 165 lbs boot size 8-8.5. I am at the upper end of the weight spectrum for the 148 and right in the middle of the spectrum for the 151 with a waist width of 27.9. which should I go with? Any suggestions? Will the 151 be too big? I normally ride 151-154cm boards with a regular waist width. Should I be sizing down to the 148 with a waist width of 27.8?
No Never Summer East? You’ve gotta be kidding me!
You gotta try a 157 Goldmember from lib tech
Until you ride a hovercraft you just don’t know what surfing feels like. Best carver on the list
Party wave plus .......like it !
Hey TJ, what a beautiful places! Pls state the locations in description.
Alot of Japan
Thanks for this overview. Is there a reason that you left out the Burton Custom X and the Kessler Cross or Spectra?
KORUA SHAPES
I love what Korua is doing and they are a great brand for this category, I just haven't had the opportunity to test many of their boards yet
Hey TJ.
I just picked up a 2nd hand 2017 ultracraft . I only got it becuase it was a super cheap deal. My local mountain doesnt get much powder. Mostly hard packed alpine conditions- how do you think it will hold up on firm groomers?
So I am looking for a daily driver board for resort riding at Breck and Keystone, that holds an edge and carves up the groomers no matter the conditions. Is the Party Wave + a good choice?
Have you tried the gentem rocketfish? for carving and pow? Your thoughts? I'm 188 cm 88kg and 10.5 boots
3BT is life
TJ, question for you on the Bataleon PW+. I’m currently riding an older Jones flagship 158(fairly stiff)and mostly ride groomers and some pow for high speed carving. I’m 5’10, 210lbs with size 11 boot. Will the 5.5 flex hold up for me while carving and turning, or should I find something a bit stiffer like another Flagship or Hovercraft, or a Bataleon Thunder or Carver?
I think carver might be the winner
Party Wave Plus or Hovercraft for all Mountain Shredding????
Have you ridden the arbor annex yet? Man can that thing carve.
That belly rub on party wave tho....
I heard the 2021 black snow board of death is a great carver , have you tried it yet TJ?
i can carve any board on a flat surface... carving demonstration should be done on medium difficulty slopes imo
I'm 185 - 5'11" size 10 boot, For Party Wave + I got a 154 cm.. How's that sound?
Was looking towards T.Rice orca for carving / occasional pow and going one size down. Big fan of magne-traction since it could be icy here on the east coast. What do you think?
Great hold once on edge, flat base can feel sketchy with the rocker under foot. Amazing in pow. I'm 185 5'11 and rode the 153.
How would the Spring Break Slush Slasher compare to these boards?
It’s fun for carving, the width is nice but it is too playful for true freeride. It’s more of a party board
Never heard of it
TJ what makes directional boards better at carving than twin boards?
how can I get my rotation on my 360 better I have to turn 90 degrees on the jump and 270 in the air to do it
Work on your setup turn so you are coming off of the jump straight. Your rotation comes from unwinding your shoulders as you pop. Your lower body will follow your head and shoulders
@@BoardArchive THANKS I will work on that
Such a great video. Thanks TJ! Hopefully you or someone here can answer this, but I’m 5-11, 160-165, size 11.5 boot, would the party wave + in 151 be significantly different in riding from the 154?
Yes optimistic?
I still love my Burton Custom X.. Very stiff full camber board. But you need to work it... Otherwise you won't get the full out off this board.
I really want to enjoy some powder... But Covid still rules in Europe. 🙄
sick boards!
I'm stuck between getting the Korua dart and the Party Wave +. Any recommendations?
Why the bataleon party wave plus over the bataleon carver??
hows jones aviator 2.0
Great content
Hi, which size on the party wave would u get with 180lbs? Great vid!
I'd go for the 154
@@BoardArchive Tnx
@@thomassyvertsen2130 Nice tnx!, I´m also 6´2 and 11,5size boots :D Ya comment helped a lot
What is a good board for gate racing i need a new board and want the right one.
@boardarchive what about superpig?
Hi there, what about Yes the Y. Did u try it?
Nice. Which hill were you on?
nice broheem...real nice...
Hello, I am 180cm and 77kg, I like carving, what do you think is the best size for the Party Wave +?
Did you get the PW+? How is it for fast deep carving with goofy bots
I picked up the party wave + 151 on sale this year at 175lbs, think it's too small for every day riding? Can trade it before the season starts.
I think you’ll be fine on the 151
Hi TJ, what exactly is a taper. And I am 6ft4, how long do you think I should buy a board?
taper means the tail of the snowboard is narrower than the nose. This reduces the surface area in the back and makes it easier to stay ontop of soft snow, it is also noticeable carving. Size is based primarily on your weight, and also depends on the specific board(s) you're looking at. How much do you weigh? what's your boot size? what boards are you considering?
Have you tried any signal boards?
How about korua?
Do carving boards need to be camber?