My friend, you are a lifesaver. I had this same problem trying to get the filter off of my '09 Yamaha FZ6R. There is barely any room to get your hand on it. I employed your technique and drilled 3 holes into my filter cap tool. Unfortunately, I could only get two screws into the filter due to the limited access. I had one screw at the 9:00 o'clock position and one at the 5 o'clock position. I attached my socket wrench and held my breath as I pushed down on the breaker bar. Lo and behold it started to turn!!! What a wonderful thing. Thank you sir for sharing your knowledge.
The sheer noise of absolute relief at the end when the last thing you can think of to try actually works hahaha, perfect! Will definitely keep this idea in mind for the future should I have the same problem, good stuff :)
I find these experiences useful life lessons. If you stick at something long enough and think about it hard enough, then things usually work out. Loved the video, we have all been there with similar things.
I always hated those oil filter attachments they always slipped but I love your idea. Also I use to glue some 80 grit sand paper on the inside to get a better grip.
I was cheering you on as I sat here watching..lol! I have had similar experiences. Its frustrating that a 15 min job can use up a better part of a morning. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Thanks for this video - I used this technique to remove a seized up oil filter from my BMW. I had to drill holes towards the bottom of the filter as it is located in a deep chamber which is hard to get at from the side. There is another video in this problem for BMW owners - very ingenious but includes making a special tool and I haven’t got that sort of expertise, also no welding kit! Thanks again.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but i absolutely love you right now!! My filter is inside a slot, so i had pretty much no options, nos screw drivers no tightening rubber things, nothing. I banged in a inch flat drill bit and tried torquing it and it just ate up the metal. This worked as if the filter wasn’t stuck. Unbelievable!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
I have a friend from Romford who has a place over here in NM and you remind me of him a lot. We work on little projects a bit and and have a great time teasing each other about our different ways to go at a problem.( He probably has a jump suit too.) I also have had the mystery fused oil filter on my RT and found the reliable Channel Lock # 460 pliers ( water pump pliers) as the go to tool. I have changed oil since I was a kid on all sorts of vehicles and follow the lube gasket, spin on till contact, and then 3/4 of a turn method. Never leaks and 99% easy off. Once again ....Thanks for the video. Eric in Cliff, NM , USA
I’m so glad I found this video. I tried everything you did. I even put a screwdriver through it. It was so tight the screw driver just ripped through. I gave up and let it sit for a week. I was going to take it to the shop. I decided to try your trick. I almost cried with joy lol. The shop “professionals” must have went blue in the face tightening it. THANKS!!!
Thx man… your truck worked like a charm… I was so frustrated, but now I’m genuinely relieved… I ended up putting 4 screws in the filter… Because I only had access to a small portion of the side, I did a square pattern with two at the top and two at the bottom… I put my racket in and hoped it would work and it turned pretty easily…. Thx a lot man… you came up with a great idea
A much simpler solution worked for me recently on my Sprint ST. Go to your favorite search engine and type in 'oil filter cap wrench 3253'. The OEM manufacturer of motorcycle oil filters Hi Flow changed the casing design some time ago, necessitating a 'new design' cap wrench - snugger, modified fluting and goes deeper around the casing. I have one in my tool box now as I had to trailer my bike to the dealer to get 'educated'. The 'old style' cap wrench worked fine as long as one followed Triumph's 10nm torque recommendation. By the way, you have been one of the inspirations for me to keep my current Sprint along side my incoming Trophy SE. Decades ago, I owned a Honda CB350 along side a CB750 for a time - trying to recapture my youth I suppose! Keep up your good works.
So I did ALL of your initial suggestions, as well as used a ratchet strap (strap portion only) doubled over the filter twice....think starting a manual fire with the stick and string method....that had worked in the past. Not today though. I just so happened to have one of the older oil filter removal keys just like yours. I couldn't believe I actually tried it. It worked on my first turn. Ridiculous suggestion with fantastic results. Great job sir, and great video!
I know this is an old video, but you saved the day for me! I could not get the filter to budge. My access to it was also very limited as it is mounted at the rear of the engine, under the frame and between two mounts that later attach to the swing arm. I had tried every tool I had including "the plyers" designed for removing filters. I absolutely never heard of this idea before and thought I would try it before i drove a screw driver through it. Because of the position of it, I could only put in 3 screws in less than half the diameter of the filter. BUT IT CAME LOOSE! Thank you for sharing this idea!
I’m glad I came across this video. I had tried everything you tried before your last resort and it worked a treat. Thank you very much. I was adding up the cost of having collected by my local bike shop. You’re my hero 🙏
Once I saw you tap in the holes for the screw I didn't even make it to the end of the video, grabbed my drill & two long screws! Thank you you're a God send back on my Harley trike 10 minutes later here in the US!
Those skinny little filters are always a chore to remove , even when lightly tighten by hand, I use one of those tools with a handle that have a cicular piece that becomes smaller as you turn the handle, I have to shove a piece of wood between the filterr and the tool, on more than one ocassion the filter ends up all deformed but it has worked, at one point one start to doubt the filter will everr come off the bike, old video but I admire your patience to take the time to make a video while struggling with something that is supposed to be a very simple job.
Groove Joint pliers are great for getting stuck oil filters off. Just make sure the jaws are wide enough for the filter. You get them in Screwfix, B&Q etc. (plumbers tools)
Thank you for this. Just successfully completely my oil change WITH a very stuck filter but I used a much easier work around. I bought a second steel filter tool with a reinforced 3/8" opening (not an aluminum lug) at my local autozone for around $10 U.S. I then drilled five (5) holes in a radial pattern around the top of the tool. I then held the retro-fitted tool against the recessed filter and drove 5 @ 1 1/2" self tapping screws through the 5 tool holes, slowly and carefully, in order to draw the tool up evenly and as close as possible to the recessed filter. I said a short prayer and quickly applied my 3/8" ratchet (counterclockwise) and SLOWLY began to turn. It came off in about 20 seconds and I danced a jig in my garage!! Observation: the surface of the old filter gasket was dry as a bone. After 65 years and after watching your video, I now fully understand the need to apply oil to the new filter gasket. (I had stupidly believed that the oil film on the new gasket was to "prevent leaking" but now understand that the heat and pressure of a few thousand miles of riding will cause a un-oiled gasket to bind to the surface of the filter/ sump contact circumference). I was cursing German BMW engineers FFS because this seems to be a common problem suggested by the plethora of these RUclips videos when I realized that those engineers assume that all owners should be born with the implicit/instinctual knowledge that all filter gaskets must be pre-oiled...lol. Still, BMW should still condescend to us dummies and add this little tip in their maintenance booklets unless, of course, they expect owners to use dealers exclusively for such minor maintenance. Another tip. Try and find a steel filter tool with the 3/8" reinforce opening rather one with the thin and weak aluminum protruding lug. The reason is that I, along with most others of RUclips quickly "round off" these lugs as: 1) they are thin walled aluminum which will deform the first time an owner tries to muscle the filter loose. 2) they are so small in radius that they provide very little "torque" when trying to loosen a stuck filter. This is not to say that they wouldn't be perfect if an owner had pre-oiled the existing filter and not over-tightened it.
Brilliant solution. I used 4 other methods before this one (chain wrench, socket wrench like yours (without screws), 2 different strap wrenches and the infamous screwdriver - all failed) and yours was the only one that worked - thank you so much. Don't know what idiot put the previous filter on - was way too tight. I was getting really desperate before seeing your video.
No need for all that faff, a trick for oil filters that I used when working on a golf course. Get an old flat blade screwdriver and a hammer. See if you can get the blade of the screwdriver onto the collar of the filter near the engine. Use the screwdriver as a sort of little chisel to put a dent in the collar, then use the dent as a lever point to tap the filter off. It worked every time, on filters of all sizes, and as the collar is folded metal it's a good strong point to use. No mess and no fuss.
This suggestion saved me today. Tried everything mentioned in the video. Screwing the adapter to the filter was the last thing to try. Worked like a charm. Thanks so much. 😀
I use a oil filter wrench that has a rubber belt on it that tightens as you trying and turn it. Friend had a CBR600RR with the same issue, came off easy. I also use the K&N filters that have the nut on the end.
You have just saved me from a very stressful oil change, specific tool was useless, strap wrench crushed it, drift wouldn't budge it. 5 minutes to drill 2 holes, 2 woodscrews and if amazing!
Just had the same issue,I've never know a filter so tight,in the end after nearly giving up,I put a larger screwdriver into it,and luckily it started to undo,I thought I was screwed!but you're tip is a fantastic idea,but next time I shouldn't have that issue👍
I'm glad it's not just me that turns a quick, inexpensive job into a 4 day project involving a second mortgage. Enjoyable to watch you work through the problem. I hope you don't have any more workshop issues, but if you do, please film them. PT
I've been stuck like that before... I have just driven a large shaft 10mm Philips head screwdriver all the way through and out the other side of the filter... it's never failed me... chain strap is the best ....I could see you were relieved to get that off....the self tappers worked well ....
I had the exact same problems recently. I ended up purchasing an adjustable oil filter tool from halfords. It tightens it's grip the more you turn the ratchet, well worth the investment as it worked a treat when all else failed.
Struggling to take off mine as well. On the water cooled bonnies the filter is in the bottom well protected making using a filter socket and wrench only option. After much slippage and busted knuckles I gorrila glued the socket to the filter, ill attempt it tomorrow while keeping pressure atleast 20 hours. Hopefully I will succeed tomorrow and sweet victory will be mine. If not I will use your technique thank you.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Update bad news is my method did not work need stronger adhesion. Good news is I got the job done with your trick and with only 1 screw too, i got lucky. Thank you!!
Another method that I have found works is to use a screwdriver as a chisel and tap the rim of the filter. You only need to break the seal and it will come off easily.
Hi, Thx, top tip, worked great for me, although patience and optimism were key also. Slowly it unscrewed....Yey!!!!! Incidently it was a K&N oli filter so had a 17mm nut to undo, my guess is whoever did it last time way overtightened it and I paid the price.
You might want to upgrade from that cheap stamped-steel cup wrench to a more substantial cast one. Or use a strap wrench, which uses a steel strap. And as others have mentioned, always oil the contact surface of the new filter before screwing it in place.
Hi again Missenden. If I could add that before one puts the new filter on, one smears the rubber ring with old oil and when it's finger tight ,just give it no more than a quarter turn. I hope there are no further problems. Excellent videos, by the way
Pure genius and thanks for sharing, really got me out of what I thought was going to be a big problem. I see in the comments re getting the steel version of the tool which I have, but had the same problem with it slipping. On my Zx6r the filter is on the side of the bike buried mid engine so access for other tools is very limited. I was at my wits end til I found your vid and it did the trick perfectly. Thanks again!!! 😁
I was having issues with a Daytona oil filter and bought a triumph tool today to get the max grip with no success. I'll try the masking tape trick first followed by the screw method tomorrow! Thanks for the video
Enjoyed this video so much, reminded me of my 3 hour battle with my zzr600, first time i ever changed a filter. Bought a few tools, in the end it was oil filter pliers with a leather belt, and that moment the filter turns...sublime
Awesome job TMF and glad you found a way. Everyone has no doubt in time come across the same problem and have their own way of doing it, yours worked a treat for sure.
Just had a thought, what about a few videos of what if the worst happened, like this one but with other scenarios? I bet folk would find them useful as not everyone has all the kit needed so not necessarily a botch job but "alternative" methods to fixes?
Oil filter wrench kept slipping off , screwdriver mullered the filter and I was panicking a bit as this normally works. Put 6 self tapping screws into my filter wrench and hey presto. So relieved , such a good tip thank you,
Just encountered the same nightmare on my Speedy...which is way harder to get at. I tried everything you did. Only thing different is I tried heating the engine before I drilled holes. That didn’t work either....just burned my hand. Since the Speedys filter is buried in the oil pan, I could only get one screw in the side so I put two more screws through the bottom. It worked. Cheers!
Thanks for doing this video, helped keep my sanity. I have a Tiger 1050, and the crappy triumph oil filter slipped, with almost no effort on my part. Have just viewed this one I went and found, a couple of self tapping screws and and it worked. So thanks for the tip.
Well done, I know well those quick jobs that go south. Of course once in a blue moon you get a seemingly impossible job that when you have a go works just like it sayes in the manual! That is most satisfying.
You sir are a genius. Thank you so much for posting this. I was having a bugger of a time getting my oil filter off my BMW R1100 and this did the trick.
Thank you for the tip. Saved me. Triumph T120 is tight space for filter, so I drilled one hole and long bolt and worked. Two beer job instead of 4. lol
I had a similar nightmare changing the oil filter on my GS recently...i have to cut the filter in half and weld 4 fingers onto an old cheap socket to release the siezed filter. Really stressful experience but I got there in the end after trying all other methods before this...thanks for another gr8 video...
A Strap wrench does the job on a Suzuki 1250 FA... there's so little room you can't get any other tool in place.... saved my life :-) Great video and good idea with the screws TMF
I had the same problem with my Honda ST1300. I tried everything. Went to the shop like x3 times. Then watched your video, oh man. Good looking out on video. Thanks again. After, that went and put on a KN filter with lugnut bolt on the back.
Triumph does make a tool to remove filters specially for your bike, had you contacted them? When I owned my Tiger I purchased one and had never had any problems removing the filter. In the mechanics defense, oil filters will tend to tighten themselves up over time rather than loosen up, but it does appear the mechanic did tighten it up more than needed. I have noticed this with cars as well.
Liked the video. I had a similar problem but was able to drive a screwdriver through the filter to remove it. I wish that you had included the correct method for putting on the filter. The proper level of tightening needed. Love the videos.
I had the same problem today with my Honda 750 ACE. I could only drill one hold because of the filter placement and angle so I used a larger sheet metal screw. Worked great! Got it loose on the first try. Thanks for the tip!
I use K&N filters as they have a 17mm nut welded on the end of the filter for ease of removal - just make sure the other ring on the new filter is well lubricated before putting it on and don't lean on it when fitting
I modified a loose filter cup wrench like yours by putting four lengthwise splits in it and using a large worm drive clip to tighten it hard onto the filter. The advantage over your screw method is that you do not need radial access at three places to fit the screws. I have just returned from a week tour of Scotland. It's getting pretty busy up there with bikes these days. I just hope the NC500 is not a victim of its own success. Really like your bike reviews. You would make a great development engineer for Triumph.
The one that Mark Whitehouse mentioned below works very well. I have used one before on a car too. You might check the internet for one. It has a metal band that tightens around the filter.......Sal : )
You could try long handled oil filter pliers. 12 quid from screwfix. Works every time for me on seized filters because you can get a really tight purchase on the filter (i.e. it slightly crushes the filter with the force of the grip!)
Again thanks for this. I had this problem yesterday and gave up but then I did a you tube search and there you where and the drill and screw worked a treat
I see your filter is out in the open - surprised you had so much trouble getting it off. As you know, the Sprint's filter is deeply recessed into the bottom of the motor - no good way to grab it with anything but a cap wrench. Have yet to see where it's located on the Trophy.
I had the same problem this morning. Didn’t reach the screwdriver stage but I bought one of the 3 arm removal tools from Halfords and that finally did it…took a few attempt’s though and I was getting a bit worried about what to do next. Considering the filter was fitted by a Triumph dealer, I think it was either too tight or they didn’t smear oil on the rubber seal as it was squeaking like crazy as it came loose. Last time I use them.
I feel your pain TMF but you didn't let it beat you, well done. I wish I could add a photo on here, maybe on your FB site? I use a chain wrench when stuck, or similar with a rubber strap rather than a chain. Anyway, you have the technology now, so shouldn't be any more drama. Thanks for sharing, now I know I'm not the only one.........
I have had issues before with oil filters and only once did I need to knock a screwdriver through.... when you do that you need to go all the way through... The tool I have that never let's me down is a socket with a nylon strap that tightens up the stiffer it is... worked many times on my cars in the past
Im having this very same problem on my speed master..i have just ordered one of those filter removal tools ..so when it arrives ..if the tool alone dosent work i will try your top tip.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I had almost given up, after trying the wrench the screwdriver and the hammer methods. The thing just wouldn't budge. I need my bike for commuting, so I was really in a pickle. Then I saw your idea, and thought it's worth a try, and it worked!
Quite Ingenious of you. I used to hammer a Screwdriver through it to start it as long as there is a tray under it to catch the oil that will leak out. .
I have a handy wrench which is a push bike chain with wrench which tightens as you pull. Has a little notch which locates in the chain. I use on my tractors, never fails. Oil filters should only be hand tight when refitting. Kind regards Dave
I had the same issue with a a bandit I had. I had the same tool as yourself and found it absolutely useless. Eventually bought a car/4x4 oil filter remover for about £15 and its works a treat. Metal band is tightened around with filter with a big ass bolt. Glad you get it sorted though 👍🏻
I’m glad I found this video. I thought I was going bonkers. My last service was done at a triumph dealer and my filter was NOT budging. Being a 2016 Thruxton access isn’t great but perseverance paid dividends 🥵
Well done and a excellent method getting it off. However I wouldn't advise using heat on an oil filter to remove it and in case you didn't but I'm sure you did always put a small amount of oil on the new filter seal before you fit it.
A neat fix there TMF. I've had to resort to strap wrenches in the past in similar situations. So, the last service was a dealer service? There's no way that filter was fitted to the correct spec IMO. This is why I HATE having ANYTHING done by a dealer. After bad experiences with dealers many years ago I resorted to having the first service on new bikes done by the dealer (used to be free, remember them?) then took a chance with the warranty doing my own servicing and fortunately never had any issues. The "problem" with new bikes today is they're crammed full of bespoke electronics which ties the DIY mechanic's hands somewhat.
We've all been there. Love your ingenuity !! I have a metal band type of wrap, around tool. Absolutely brilliant from Halfords professional range. My "socket" type like yours has had its moments like yours...
As in all things, leverage is the key and you improvised and solved it. It's nuts it was that over torqued. More proof (as always?) that you should do what you can yourself and ensure it's done right. I only have one bike and invested in a reusable K&P Engineering oil filter for my Street Triple R and do my own oil changes so chances are minimal I'd face your situation unless I screw the pooch... which I do not plan on doing. It's good to share your video though, helping others in that spot see someone trouble shoot and overcome is a good lesson indeed.
Yes I was having a bad day so when I came up with that idea I thought it worth sharing in case it helps some other poor soul....actually I quite like working those sorts of issues out (unless I cant find a fix!).. Thanks for watching as ever - TMF
I've been there! I finally used this method...clean outside of filter with brake cleaner, put medical glove over filter, tap on the filter tool and turn slowly. It's all about purchase onto the filter. Anyway, still liked your vid! Shiny side up buddy.
The worst filter job 2020 Indian mech who did break in change twisted it so tight….I don’t get it. Took 3 hrs of every trick I know which did not work.went bought a tool no luck there.watched this video & took it off in about 3 minutes so thank you very much.I’ll use this knowledge for a lifetime & pass it to every biker I know.
Well done TMF! Ingenuity wins the day! Just as important is putting the new one back on. As has been mentioned, lightly oil the sealing ring of the new filter, screw on till just hand tight and an eighth of a turn more (Triumph spec is 10 Nm). Thats it. Obviously think twice about letting the same Dealer/Tech near the Bike again!
If you use the pierce the oil filter with a screwdriver method; you pierce it near the end cap to not hit the part that the oil filter screws onto. You also pierce all the way through the oil filter before you twist it, for leverage. If you don't pierce all the way through the oil filter, the oil filter wall will just bend without moving the actual oil filter. Been there unfortunately.
I was thinking similar thoughts after I watched your video on chain cleaning about the complexity of apparently simple tasks. Looks nice now. Sure made one hell of a lot of mess. I was thinking of a DIY oil change. Not quite so sure now...
Six months after having my FireStorm serviced at a Honda dealer I came to change the oil & filter myself. Could I remove the oil filter, the grease monkey must have tightened it to unbelievable torque levels. I used so much force removing it that the actual metal filter body twisted!! Eventually got it off, but it was the last time I used a main dealer for an oil & filter change. If you struggle again, try using some bicycle inner tube on the inside of the filter removal tool.
The wife swears by a strap-on and says to smear a little oil on before it's fitted,I find that a little hard to take and told her that it can be brought off fine by hand alone...!
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My friend, you are a lifesaver. I had this same problem trying to get the filter off of my '09 Yamaha FZ6R. There is barely any room to get your hand on it. I employed your technique and drilled 3 holes into my filter cap tool. Unfortunately, I could only get two screws into the filter due to the limited access. I had one screw at the 9:00 o'clock position and one at the 5 o'clock position. I attached my socket wrench and held my breath as I pushed down on the breaker bar. Lo and behold it started to turn!!! What a wonderful thing. Thank you sir for sharing your knowledge.
Phew!
The sheer noise of absolute relief at the end when the last thing you can think of to try actually works hahaha, perfect! Will definitely keep this idea in mind for the future should I have the same problem, good stuff :)
I like that option, I've got a suborn one and that may well work. Nice one !!
I find these experiences useful life lessons. If you stick at something long enough and think about it hard enough, then things usually work out. Loved the video, we have all been there with similar things.
That was a brilliant tip. Worked an absolute treat, thank you. I was losing the plot trying to remove mine up until this point 😂
I always hated those oil filter attachments they always slipped but I love your idea. Also I use to glue some 80 grit sand paper on the inside to get a better grip.
I was cheering you on as I sat here watching..lol! I have had similar experiences. Its frustrating that a 15 min job can use up a better part of a morning. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Thanks for this video - I used this technique to remove a seized up oil filter from my BMW. I had to drill holes towards the bottom of the filter as it is located in a deep chamber which is hard to get at from the side. There is another video in this problem for BMW owners - very ingenious but includes making a special tool and I haven’t got that sort of expertise, also no welding kit! Thanks again.
This worked brilliantly, and popped straight off. Thank you
Excellent news!
Don’t take this the wrong way, but i absolutely love you right now!! My filter is inside a slot, so i had pretty much no options, nos screw drivers no tightening rubber things, nothing. I banged in a inch flat drill bit and tried torquing it and it just ate up the metal. This worked as if the filter wasn’t stuck. Unbelievable!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
Glad to help!
I have a friend from Romford who has a place over here in NM and you remind me of him a lot. We work on little projects a bit and and have a great time teasing each other about our different ways to go at a problem.( He probably has a jump suit too.) I also have had the mystery fused oil filter on my RT and found the reliable Channel Lock # 460 pliers ( water pump pliers) as the go to tool. I have changed oil since I was a kid on all sorts of vehicles and follow the lube gasket, spin on till contact, and then 3/4 of a turn method. Never leaks and 99% easy off.
Once again ....Thanks for the video.
Eric in Cliff, NM , USA
Thank you Eric - I used the spin on and half turn method - so far no leaks!! Thanks for watching all the way over there - TMF
I’m so glad I found this video. I tried everything you did. I even put a screwdriver through it. It was so tight the screw driver just ripped through. I gave up and let it sit for a week. I was going to take it to the shop. I decided to try your trick. I almost cried with joy lol. The shop “professionals” must have went blue in the face tightening it. THANKS!!!
Glad to help!
Thx man… your truck worked like a charm… I was so frustrated, but now I’m genuinely relieved… I ended up putting 4 screws in the filter… Because I only had access to a small portion of the side, I did a square pattern with two at the top and two at the bottom… I put my racket in and hoped it would work and it turned pretty easily…. Thx a lot man… you came up with a great idea
Glad to help!
A much simpler solution worked for me recently on my Sprint ST. Go to your favorite search engine and type in 'oil filter cap wrench 3253'. The OEM manufacturer of motorcycle oil filters Hi Flow changed the casing design some time ago, necessitating a 'new design' cap wrench - snugger, modified fluting and goes deeper around the casing. I have one in my tool box now as I had to trailer my bike to the dealer to get 'educated'. The 'old style' cap wrench worked fine as long as one followed Triumph's 10nm torque recommendation.
By the way, you have been one of the inspirations for me to keep my current Sprint along side my incoming Trophy SE. Decades ago, I owned a Honda CB350 along side a CB750 for a time - trying to recapture my youth I suppose! Keep up your good works.
So I did ALL of your initial suggestions, as well as used a ratchet strap (strap portion only) doubled over the filter twice....think starting a manual fire with the stick and string method....that had worked in the past. Not today though. I just so happened to have one of the older oil filter removal keys just like yours. I couldn't believe I actually tried it. It worked on my first turn. Ridiculous suggestion with fantastic results. Great job sir, and great video!
I know this is an old video, but you saved the day for me! I could not get the filter to budge. My access to it was also very limited as it is mounted at the rear of the engine, under the frame and between two mounts that later attach to the swing arm. I had tried every tool I had including "the plyers" designed for removing filters. I absolutely never heard of this idea before and thought I would try it before i drove a screw driver through it. Because of the position of it, I could only put in 3 screws in less than half the diameter of the filter. BUT IT CAME LOOSE! Thank you for sharing this idea!
Glad it helped !
I’m glad I came across this video. I had tried everything you tried before your last resort and it worked a treat. Thank you very much. I was adding up the cost of having collected by my local bike shop. You’re my hero 🙏
Once I saw you tap in the holes for the screw I didn't even make it to the end of the video, grabbed my drill & two long screws! Thank you you're a God send back on my Harley trike 10 minutes later here in the US!
Glad to be of assistance! A right bugger these oil filters can be can’t they....
This is one of the best ever tips ive had in 40 years of biking thank you TM,used on my gl1500 filter and worked 1st time
Glad it helped!
Those skinny little filters are always a chore to remove , even when lightly tighten by hand, I use one of those tools with a handle that have a cicular piece that becomes smaller as you turn the handle, I have to shove a piece of wood between the filterr and the tool, on more than one ocassion the filter ends up all deformed but it has worked, at one point one start to doubt the filter will everr come off the bike, old video but I admire your patience to take the time to make a video while struggling with something that is supposed to be a very simple job.
Have you also tried an oil filter wrench - typically used for cars. It's basically a metal belt that can be tightened up on the filter
No I haven't - but this solution will do me for now :0) Thanks for watching - TMF
Was thinking the same, I'm sure it would of worked.
yea oil filter wrench. never wouldve thought of all these other ways but good to know.
No the belt will just crush the metal , oil filter are made so thin now
Either buy a filter with a pre welded nut or use a hex filter remover
oil filter wrench works for me!
Groove Joint pliers are great for getting stuck oil filters off. Just make sure the jaws are wide enough for the filter. You get them in Screwfix, B&Q etc. (plumbers tools)
Thank you for this. Just successfully completely my oil change WITH a very stuck filter but I used a much easier work around. I bought a second steel filter tool with a reinforced 3/8" opening (not an aluminum lug) at my local autozone for around $10 U.S. I then drilled five (5) holes in a radial pattern around the top of the tool. I then held the retro-fitted tool against the recessed filter and drove 5 @ 1 1/2" self tapping screws through the 5 tool holes, slowly and carefully, in order to draw the tool up evenly and as close as possible to the recessed filter. I said a short prayer and quickly applied my 3/8" ratchet (counterclockwise) and SLOWLY began to turn. It came off in about 20 seconds and I danced a jig in my garage!!
Observation: the surface of the old filter gasket was dry as a bone. After 65 years and after watching your video, I now fully understand the need to apply oil to the new filter gasket. (I had stupidly believed that the oil film on the new gasket was to "prevent leaking" but now understand that the heat and pressure of a few thousand miles of riding will cause a un-oiled gasket to bind to the surface of the filter/ sump contact circumference).
I was cursing German BMW engineers FFS because this seems to be a common problem suggested by the plethora of these RUclips videos when I realized that those engineers assume that all owners should be born with the implicit/instinctual knowledge that all filter gaskets must be pre-oiled...lol. Still, BMW should still condescend to us dummies and add this little tip in their maintenance booklets unless, of course, they expect owners to use dealers exclusively for such minor maintenance.
Another tip. Try and find a steel filter tool with the 3/8" reinforce opening rather one with the thin and weak aluminum protruding lug. The reason is that I, along with most others of RUclips quickly "round off" these lugs as: 1) they are thin walled aluminum which will deform the first time an owner tries to muscle the filter loose. 2) they are so small in radius that they provide very little "torque" when trying to loosen a stuck filter. This is not to say that they wouldn't be perfect if an owner had pre-oiled the existing filter and not over-tightened it.
Brilliant solution. I used 4 other methods before this one (chain wrench, socket wrench like yours (without screws), 2 different strap wrenches and the infamous screwdriver - all failed) and yours was the only one that worked - thank you so much. Don't know what idiot put the previous filter on - was way too tight. I was getting really desperate before seeing your video.
I share your pain! Glad it helped....
There you are - the most important tool in the box for any DIYer; your own ingenuity. Well done.
Cheers Len - and good to hear from you again, it's been a while!
No need for all that faff, a trick for oil filters that I used when working on a golf course.
Get an old flat blade screwdriver and a hammer. See if you can get the blade of the screwdriver onto the collar of the filter near the engine.
Use the screwdriver as a sort of little chisel to put a dent in the collar, then use the dent as a lever point to tap the filter off.
It worked every time, on filters of all sizes, and as the collar is folded metal it's a good strong point to use.
No mess and no fuss.
Thats the method i prefer too. I got into a right mess before someone showed me!!
GREAT IDEA. My Bonneville oil filter was also stuck and I used 1 screw to gain purchase. Complete success! Thank you so much.
Gla to help!
Yup. There's always that wannabe Arnold Schwarzenegger mechanic that screw those filters on as if their life depended on it. Great tip!!
This suggestion saved me today. Tried everything mentioned in the video. Screwing the adapter to the filter was the last thing to try. Worked like a charm. Thanks so much. 😀
Glad to help Garry - pleased to hear it worked for you too....
I use a oil filter wrench that has a rubber belt on it that tightens as you trying and turn it. Friend had a CBR600RR with the same issue, came off easy. I also use the K&N filters that have the nut on the end.
You have just saved me from a very stressful oil change, specific tool was useless, strap wrench crushed it, drift wouldn't budge it. 5 minutes to drill 2 holes, 2 woodscrews and if amazing!
Just had the same issue,I've never know a filter so tight,in the end after nearly giving up,I put a larger screwdriver into it,and luckily it started to undo,I thought I was screwed!but you're tip is a fantastic idea,but next time I shouldn't have that issue👍
I'm glad it's not just me that turns a quick, inexpensive job into a 4 day project involving a second mortgage.
Enjoyable to watch you work through the problem.
I hope you don't have any more workshop issues, but if you do, please film them.
PT
Cheers Paul - I seem to attract these types of job - will defo film the future ones (they will come I'm sure!)
I've been stuck like that before... I have just driven a large shaft 10mm Philips head screwdriver all the way through and out the other side of the filter... it's never failed me... chain strap is the best ....I could see you were relieved to get that off....the self tappers worked well ....
I had the exact same problems recently. I ended up purchasing an adjustable oil filter tool from halfords. It tightens it's grip the more you turn the ratchet, well worth the investment as it worked a treat when all else failed.
Excellent helpful video. Nice to see that I am not the only one who has to deal with these sort of unforeseen problems.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻⚒🔫🔩 TMF, you are now my favorite moto vloger. I love learning a new skill or technique. Keep up the good work!
Very kind thank you...
Struggling to take off mine as well. On the water cooled bonnies the filter is in the bottom well protected making using a filter socket and wrench only option. After much slippage and busted knuckles I gorrila glued the socket to the filter, ill attempt it tomorrow while keeping pressure atleast 20 hours. Hopefully I will succeed tomorrow and sweet victory will be mine. If not I will use your technique thank you.
Good luck!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Update bad news is my method did not work need stronger adhesion. Good news is I got the job done with your trick and with only 1 screw too, i got lucky. Thank you!!
Another method that I have found works is to use a screwdriver as a chisel and tap the rim of the filter. You only need to break the seal and it will come off easily.
That was about the third thing I tried....sadly far to stuck for that method too...thanks for the suggestion all the same...all the best - TMF
Hi, Thx, top tip, worked great for me, although patience and optimism were key also. Slowly it unscrewed....Yey!!!!!
Incidently it was a K&N oli filter so had a 17mm nut to undo, my guess is whoever did it last time way overtightened it and I paid the price.
Yes I did this when I bought a filter without the nut on the top. Apparently I did that again last time & I need to do this again.
Brilliant. Was getting very frustrated. Found your video. 15 minutes including all drilling, job done. Thanks
Glad it helped!
You saved me a lot of time. Your truck worked perfectly for me on R6. Thanks!!
You might want to upgrade from that cheap stamped-steel cup wrench to a more substantial cast one. Or use a strap wrench, which uses a steel strap. And as others have mentioned, always oil the contact surface of the new filter before screwing it in place.
Now that was a pain in the bleep. Mind you the wonders of human ingenuity never seem to disappoint. Top job sir
Thank you!
We've all been there! LOL!!! My last resort is an oversized channel lock, works everytime.
Hi again Missenden. If I could add that before one puts the new filter on, one smears the rubber ring with old oil and when it's finger tight ,just give it no more than a quarter turn. I hope there are no further problems. Excellent videos, by the way
Pure genius and thanks for sharing, really got me out of what I thought was going to be a big problem. I see in the comments re getting the steel version of the tool which I have, but had the same problem with it slipping. On my Zx6r the filter is on the side of the bike buried mid engine so access for other tools is very limited. I was at my wits end til I found your vid and it did the trick perfectly. Thanks again!!! 😁
Oh forgot to mention as I had no access to the sides I drilled on the top surface. Hopefully that helps someone
Brilliant idea!
Absolute legend. Saved me a tonne of time. One screw did it for me. Wrecked 3 tools in the process.
Glad to be of help!
I have just had the same nightmare as this on my 2016 Triumph Tiger Sport. Worked an absolute treat! Nice one Andy!! 😀👍
You really saved me today. Thank you. Will keep my newly modified oil filter wrench forever!!
Glad to help!
I was having issues with a Daytona oil filter and bought a triumph tool today to get the max grip with no success. I'll try the masking tape trick first followed by the screw method tomorrow! Thanks for the video
Enjoyed this video so much, reminded me of my 3 hour battle with my zzr600, first time i ever changed a filter. Bought a few tools, in the end it was oil filter pliers with a leather belt, and that moment the filter turns...sublime
+zzr rider Nice one :0) Thanks for watching - TMF
Awesome job TMF and glad you found a way. Everyone has no doubt in time come across the same problem and have their own way of doing it, yours worked a treat for sure.
Thanks Chris - I'm glad it did because I was running out of ideas!
Just had a thought, what about a few videos of what if the worst happened, like this one but with other scenarios? I bet folk would find them useful as not everyone has all the kit needed so not necessarily a botch job but "alternative" methods to fixes?
Mother of God I have never seen a troublesome oil filter in my life, glad it worked out and got it off
Oil filter wrench kept slipping off , screwdriver mullered the filter and I was panicking a bit as this normally works. Put 6 self tapping screws into my filter wrench and hey presto. So relieved , such a good tip thank you,
Glad it helped!
At last and what a relief that you finally got it off. I had everything crossed for you - but I know you could do it.
Tell me about it!
Just encountered the same nightmare on my Speedy...which is way harder to get at. I tried everything you did. Only thing different is I tried heating the engine before I drilled holes. That didn’t work either....just burned my hand. Since the Speedys filter is buried in the oil pan, I could only get one screw in the side so I put two more screws through the bottom. It worked. Cheers!
Brilliant!
Thanks for doing this video, helped keep my sanity. I have a Tiger 1050, and the crappy triumph oil filter slipped, with almost no effort on my part. Have just viewed this one I went and found, a couple of self tapping screws and and it worked. So thanks for the tip.
Excellent Jeff - glad I was able to help!
Well done, I know well those quick jobs that go south. Of course once in a blue moon you get a seemingly impossible job that when you have a go works just like it sayes in the manual! That is most satisfying.
Indeed - those ones are rare though!
You sir are a genius. Thank you so much for posting this. I was having a bugger of a time getting my oil filter off my BMW R1100 and this did the trick.
Glad to help!
Thank you for the tip. Saved me. Triumph T120 is tight space for filter, so I drilled one hole and long bolt and worked. Two beer job instead of 4. lol
I had a similar nightmare changing the oil filter on my GS recently...i have to cut the filter in half and weld 4 fingers onto an old cheap socket to release the siezed filter. Really stressful experience but I got there in the end after trying all other methods before this...thanks for another gr8 video...
Actually I've never done the GS but probably will next time now it's out of warranty, more fun to come by the sounds of it!! Cheers - TMF
TheMissendenFlyer Did u hear anything from BMW about the recent fork recall ? Riders of Cardiff have a good video here explaining the repair process.
Not yet...but am waiting!
A Strap wrench does the job on a Suzuki 1250 FA... there's so little room you can't get any other tool in place.... saved my life :-) Great video and good idea with the screws TMF
I had the same problem with my Honda ST1300. I tried everything. Went to the shop like x3 times. Then watched your video, oh man. Good looking out on video. Thanks again. After, that went and put on a KN filter with lugnut bolt on the back.
Nice to see you had a back up plan on the bench in case it failed (9 bottles and 6 cans).
Well spotted! :0)
Triumph does make a tool to remove filters specially for your bike, had you contacted them? When I owned my Tiger I purchased one and had never had any problems removing the filter. In the mechanics defense, oil filters will tend to tighten themselves up over time rather than loosen up, but it does appear the mechanic did tighten it up more than needed. I have noticed this with cars as well.
Amen Brother
Thanks for the tips. Before I tried the screws, I tried the tape and that did the trick. Much appreciated!
Glad it worked!
Blinder! I'd been cursing whoever put mine on. Life saver! Your method worked a treat. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Liked the video. I had a similar problem but was able to drive a screwdriver through the filter to remove it. I wish that you had included the correct method for putting on the filter. The proper level of tightening needed. Love the videos.
+Jeffrey Hurst Hand tight is all they need!
I had the same problem today with my Honda 750 ACE. I could only drill one hold because of the filter placement and angle so I used a larger sheet metal screw. Worked great! Got it loose on the first try. Thanks for the tip!
My pleasure!
I use K&N filters as they have a 17mm nut welded on the end of the filter for ease of removal - just make sure the other ring on the new filter is well lubricated before putting it on and don't lean on it when fitting
I modified a loose filter cup wrench like yours by putting four lengthwise splits in it and using a large worm drive clip to tighten it hard onto the filter. The advantage over your screw method is that you do not need radial access at three places to fit the screws.
I have just returned from a week tour of Scotland. It's getting pretty busy up there with bikes these days. I just hope the NC500 is not a victim of its own success.
Really like your bike reviews. You would make a great development engineer for Triumph.
Thank you John - now that would be a fun job!
The one that Mark Whitehouse mentioned below works very well. I have used one before on a car too. You might check the internet for one. It has a metal band that tightens around the filter.......Sal : )
Hi, Miss...One is supposed to use a chain oil filter wrench which has a socket for ratchet or t- bar. It tightens as you turn.regards Lee
I am at the same spot changing oil in my 2020 Harley Davidson Road Glide, and I am about to try the same solution.
It worked like a champ.
Cool!
You could try long handled oil filter pliers. 12 quid from screwfix. Works every time for me on seized filters because you can get a really tight purchase on the filter (i.e. it slightly crushes the filter with the force of the grip!)
+Michael J Pidd Cheers Michael - I have my own tool now :0)
Again thanks for this. I had this problem yesterday and gave up but then I did a you tube search and there you where and the drill and screw worked a treat
Glad to help!
Pair of water pump pliers, 5 holes, slip joints, whatever you call them. Grab on and twist works a treat
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Smear a smidgen of grease on the rubber seal on the oil filter and don't over tighten as I was taught.
Channellock pliers.
...which is what I did with the new filter...
I see your filter is out in the open - surprised you had so much trouble getting it off. As you know, the Sprint's filter is deeply recessed into the bottom of the motor - no good way to grab it with anything but a cap wrench. Have yet to see where it's located on the Trophy.
I had the same problem this morning. Didn’t reach the screwdriver stage but I bought one of the 3 arm removal tools from Halfords and that finally did it…took a few attempt’s though and I was getting a bit worried about what to do next.
Considering the filter was fitted by a Triumph dealer, I think it was either too tight or they didn’t smear oil on the rubber seal as it was squeaking like crazy as it came loose.
Last time I use them.
I feel your pain TMF but you didn't let it beat you, well done. I wish I could add a photo on here, maybe on your FB site? I use a chain wrench when stuck, or similar with a rubber strap rather than a chain. Anyway, you have the technology now, so shouldn't be any more drama. Thanks for sharing, now I know I'm not the only one.........
Cheers Mick :0)
I have had issues before with oil filters and only once did I need to knock a screwdriver through.... when you do that you need to go all the way through...
The tool I have that never let's me down is a socket with a nylon strap that tightens up the stiffer it is... worked many times on my cars in the past
Im having this very same problem on my speed master..i have just ordered one of those filter removal tools ..so when it arrives ..if the tool alone dosent work i will try your top tip.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I had almost given up, after trying the wrench the screwdriver and the hammer methods. The thing just wouldn't budge. I need my bike for commuting, so I was really in a pickle. Then I saw your idea, and thought it's worth a try, and it worked!
Glad it helped!
Very nice great work, the belt for the car oil filters may work very well to.
Quite Ingenious of you.
I used to hammer a Screwdriver through it to start it as long as there is a tray under it to catch the oil that will leak out.
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I have a handy wrench which is a push bike chain with wrench which tightens as you pull.
Has a little notch which locates in the chain.
I use on my tractors, never fails.
Oil filters should only be hand tight when refitting.
Kind regards Dave
I had the same issue with a a bandit I had. I had the same tool as yourself and found it absolutely useless. Eventually bought a car/4x4 oil filter remover for about £15 and its works a treat. Metal band is tightened around with filter with a big ass bolt. Glad you get it sorted though 👍🏻
Well done!
'course, what you really should have done is take the bike off the filter, not the filter off the bike. Never fails. :-)
...wish I'd thought of that!!
rof
I’m glad I found this video. I thought I was going bonkers. My last service was done at a triumph dealer and my filter was NOT budging. Being a 2016 Thruxton access isn’t great but perseverance paid dividends 🥵
Indeed it does!
Well done and a excellent method getting it off. However I wouldn't advise using heat on an oil filter to remove it and in case you didn't but I'm sure you did always put a small amount of oil on the new filter seal before you fit it.
+Graham Higby Sure did - cheers Graham...
A neat fix there TMF. I've had to resort to strap wrenches in the past in similar situations. So, the last service was a dealer service? There's no way that filter was fitted to the correct spec IMO. This is why I HATE having ANYTHING done by a dealer. After bad experiences with dealers many years ago I resorted to having the first service on new bikes done by the dealer (used to be free, remember them?) then took a chance with the warranty doing my own servicing and fortunately never had any issues. The "problem" with new bikes today is they're crammed full of bespoke electronics which ties the DIY mechanic's hands somewhat.
We've all been there. Love your ingenuity !! I have a metal band type of wrap, around tool. Absolutely brilliant from Halfords professional range. My "socket" type like yours has had its moments like yours...
But from now on my DIY modded tool will never fail! Thanks for watching - TMF
As in all things, leverage is the key and you improvised and solved it. It's nuts it was that over torqued. More proof (as always?) that you should do what you can yourself and ensure it's done right. I only have one bike and invested in a reusable K&P Engineering oil filter for my Street Triple R and do my own oil changes so chances are minimal I'd face your situation unless I screw the pooch... which I do not plan on doing. It's good to share your video though, helping others in that spot see someone trouble shoot and overcome is a good lesson indeed.
Yes I was having a bad day so when I came up with that idea I thought it worth sharing in case it helps some other poor soul....actually I quite like working those sorts of issues out (unless I cant find a fix!).. Thanks for watching as ever - TMF
Respect for your ingenuity sir.. Iv always used the wrap around cloth band type tool.. ps that video thumbnail is class
Thank you, I thought it might up my female audience numbers a bit......
I've been there! I finally used this method...clean outside of filter with brake cleaner, put medical glove over filter, tap on the filter tool and turn slowly. It's all about purchase onto the filter. Anyway, still liked your vid! Shiny side up buddy.
Cheers Colin - a similar method to my masking tape on the filter then tap the tool on - difference being, the glove worked!
The worst filter job 2020 Indian mech who did break in change twisted it so tight….I don’t get it.
Took 3 hrs of every trick I know which did not work.went bought a tool no luck there.watched this video & took it off in about 3 minutes so thank you very much.I’ll use this knowledge for a lifetime & pass it to every biker I know.
Glad to help David!
Well done TMF! Ingenuity wins the day! Just as important is putting the new one back on. As has been mentioned, lightly oil the sealing ring of the new filter, screw on till just hand tight and an eighth of a turn more (Triumph spec is 10 Nm). Thats it. Obviously think twice about letting the same Dealer/Tech near the Bike again!
Yes all round - new one is safely oiled and only hand tight....will see what happens next time!
If you use the pierce the oil filter with a screwdriver method; you pierce it near the end cap to not hit the part that the oil filter screws onto. You also pierce all the way through the oil filter before you twist it, for leverage. If you don't pierce all the way through the oil filter, the oil filter wall will just bend without moving the actual oil filter. Been there unfortunately.
So glad you mentioned delboys garage, the best guy in the motorbike world in my opinion!
I was thinking similar thoughts after I watched your video on chain cleaning about the complexity of apparently simple tasks. Looks nice now. Sure made one hell of a lot of mess. I was thinking of a DIY oil change. Not quite so sure now...
Normally it's straightforward, go for it and save yourself some cash and learn about your bike whilst you're at it....it's fun!
Six months after having my FireStorm serviced at a Honda dealer I came to change the oil & filter myself. Could I remove the oil filter, the grease monkey must have tightened it to unbelievable torque levels. I used so much force removing it that the actual metal filter body twisted!! Eventually got it off, but it was the last time I used a main dealer for an oil & filter change. If you struggle again, try using some bicycle inner tube on the inside of the filter removal tool.
For “professionals” they really do make a mess out of oil changes. They tight way too much and never put enough oil. It’s always a bit low.
The wife swears by a strap-on and says to smear a little oil on before it's fitted,I find that a little hard to take and told her that it can be brought off fine by hand alone...!
...I can't help but find myself in 100% agreance ;0) ...nice one....