How F1 drivers' outrage forced a review into Japanese GP's near-tragedy
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2022
- “If I hit it, I would be dead right now”. That was Pierre Gasly’s damning assessment of the potential consequences of the FIA allowing a recovery vehicle to be on track during the Japanese Grand Prix.
The AlphaTauri driver was horrified to pass the parked truck while catching up with the safety car pack on the second lap of the race at Suzuka.
It was an incident that enraged drivers and fans alike, which perhaps explains why the FIA initially seemed keen to brush this off with a statement that appeared to put the focus on Gasly’s driving.
Gasly’s reaction - and that of his fellow drivers, clearly had an impact on the FIA, which has launched a ‘thorough review’ into what happened.
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FIAs decision to blame Gasly for their mistake sums them up perfectly. Bad rules = blame someone else. 2021Abu Dhabi = blame Masi etc etc
Two different things. Gasley is an ass to drive to fast under double yellow and even with the red flag. The FIA is in the wrong with the tractor and marshalls on the track.
There should clearly be zero recovery on track when cars are on track especially in that sort of weather the fia are at fault here not gasly
Gasly.....double waved yellows. Means slow down, be prepared to stop. Marshalls on track.
Red flag. Means the race is stopped.
That 'vehicle' on track could just as easily have been an ambulance or fire engine trying to save a fellow drivers life.
No need for the fia to bring in more rules. Drivers should just obey the ones already there
@@AZBCDE exactly, are we certain there were Double waved yellows? Because if so, the fia are genuinely not to blame
@@davefinnegan-collins296 lol not at fault even when driving to fast with clear rules. I want to see you discuss things with a highway cop. Would be entertaining for sure
They shouldn't learn from this, they should have learned this back in 2014. This can never happen again!!
thats the first thing i thought about when i saw the incident honestly
Don't compare Suzuka 2014 to Suzuka 2022.
@@jgonzalesm6 the situation is almost 1 to 1, only difference is someone didn't die
@@BlackCat88899 well there's two big differences here. One, gasly didn't hit the truck while jules did as you mentioned, but also jules lost control of his vehicle while pierre did not and was on track. To me that makes this even more unacceptable. In 2014 there was an element of really bad luck that jules lost it right on the trajectory that he did, but here the truck was nearly crossing over the racing line. That seems to be an extremely obvious thing that should be avoided.
@@BlackCat88899 - no it's not.
Suzuka 2014--> The tractor was removing Sutils car at the Dunlop curve in the gravel next to the tire or armco barriers. The session was under a VSC at first then an SC while the tractor was removing Sutils car. Jules didn't adhere to the track conditions and rammed into the tractor at a high rate of speed. Wanna know what Jules g-forces were at time of impact??
Why doesn't the FIA use the same method as they do in WEC, specifically at the Le Mans 24 hours: in which race control has a channel to speak to the drivers and teams directly 1 way to warn of safety car periods, and warning of where vehicles or hazards on track such as recovery vehicles and debris.
how else would we have vsc situations like perez in france getting overtaken. In all seriousness though, its a great idea.
Eduardo de Freitas is fully cognisant of that system, he's their race director! Why hasn't he pushed for its implementation? I hope he thinks of it.
Thanks to Abu Dhabi 2021, they removed that system because they questioned if team directors weren't biasing race control by having a direct line of contact with them.
I've thought this for years too, it's such a no brainer idea
Great idea! Just like how the VSC sends a signal directly to every car, a button to directly speak to every driver would be brilliant.
Now the only question is did the FIA knowingly deploy the recovery vehicle, were they not aware of gasly's position or do they just not have control over the deployment of vehicles onto the track
ehhh why should they? The safety car is on track and the drivers that need to catch up to it need to do so safely, because there can be rescue teams on track or a car recovery team because that car of Sainz was on that side and this tractor was going to hoist that Ferrari away. Why was Gasly driving around like a maniac with speeds over 250 km/h? Both under the safety car and during the red flag... He should know better.
Why did they let the cars pas the safety car in Monza while they were still trying to recover the mclaren of RIC? Now it is a problem, but when the race is about to end they need get the safety car in the pit so they can race one final lap even if there is danger on track according to some.... It is never good enough and the drivers are never to blame.
@@Dorfus2323 the SC was on track, but the drivers were not all in the train behind it. So the recovery vehicle (and the marshalls) should not have been on track. And the vehicle was on track for quite a while already, because you can see it from Max' onboard. Gasly was driving fast, but as far as I know, there is no speed limit for cars catching up to the SC. That was also not was he was penalized for. He got a penalty for speeding under the red flag, after the incident, for which the is a (80 kph) speed limit.
@@Dorfus2323 gasly was speeding because he assumed he had passed the accident site, he knew the safety car was out and wanted to catch up as fast as possible, his dash didn't show the red flag symbols until he was right behind the tractor, therefore with the information he had at end, he passed the crash site so there shouldn't be any obstructions, even if he wasn't speeding they still do around 150kph behind the safety car and in the wet that is not near enough time to brake behind the tractor
I don't believe they knew the recovery vehicle was deployed. That's just how Japanese circuits operate, especially when watching Super GT racing
@@StoopsyDaisy it's even worse in super GT they don't have a structure as capable as the halo, the damn french
The FIA needs to be held accountable and end their hypocrisy. Congrats to Max on his second championship!
had me in the first half ngl
No he himself should be held accountable for his borderline suicidal or better said murderous driving around the track under the safety car and during the red flag with speed exceeding 250 km/h... There are safety rules and clearly most drivers DO NOT OBEY them, speeding during a double waved flag, red flag and safety car in areas where accidents have happend. The reason the flags are waved or the safety car is deployed has a reason... That reason is for rescue teams and equipment to be deployed and work safely on the track and reduce the dangerous situations.
Gasly f*cking knew there was chaos there and yet he still drove like a maniac even after he collected that Rolex boarding in that same sector of the track. Sorry but Gasly should have been banned for next race. Next offence by ignoring the safety rules and have his super license revoked. He did not obey the safety rules, in petrochemical companies you would be in the street already for not obeying them, especialy if the consequences could be fatal.
@S3nse1 It was a red flag situation,don't need to catch the SC! Gasly should slow down a lot when the red flag is out ,but he didn't!!
The FIA made a mistake to allowed the tractor on the track, but Gasly was over reacting !!!!
@@mari-us6rh it was out 1 second before
@@mari-us6rh did you even watch the video? 2 seconds after gasly passed the recovery truck the red flag was shown, so hè was still caching the saftycar que and within his delta time,besides the team nor he had an clue that the truck was there this is soley and squarley om race controll gasly was wel within the rules
Let’s also remember they threw green flags with marshals on track in Singapore last week. I still don’t believe that footage was a replay.
Damn, looking at this one in Suzuka now, I'm also starting to believe the footage was actually live in Singapore when the marshals were pulling the wing off the wall and the race was green flagged... You have a great point.
Replay? What?
@@a_single_white_female In Singapore last week, Marshall's were removing a front wing stuck in to one of the barriers
But, right as that got shown on the broadcast, the race got green flagged pretty much the moment they pulled the wing out
One of the commentators (Crofty?) said something along the lines of 'Wait, is that live? Nah, they just green flagged it - it must have been a replay'
But now with what we've just witnessed at Suzuka, people are now starting to question whether that _actually was_ a replay or not
Educate yourself, the green flags were thrown AFTER the incident micro sector, not before
@@TheBlockyMan i understand, apologies.
This has been the 3rd time this season I noticed extremely risky situations with trying to recover a car under a safety car. When Daniel Ric car won't go into neutral. A trailer went on track and someone almost hit it.
When the front Wing got stuck. Marshalls were on track when it was green flagged. Now this race. Enough is enough.
It was a replay. The Marshals weren’t actually on track while it was green flagged.
@@jcoxdj maybe? Need to rewatch it from each driver pov. Hopefully it was just a reply. But that doesn't take away the fact that it has happened too many times. If any heavy equipment is on track. It should be red flagged
@@ericktb4 agree
Yes, a bad deal at Monza, with the mover carrying the McClaren traveling against the field....
@@markpatterson2507 yes, looking back at. It wasn't that close. But still too close for comfort.
I would love to hear what the FIA will find against “investigating” *themselves*
We the FIA had investigate ourselves and we found no wrong doing..
Utterly ridiculous, this shouldn't have happened and big questions need to be asked by the FIA as to how they allowed this to happen.
Correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t the race being under yellow/red flag mean crashed cars and recovery cars are on track? Why would u be doing 250 under a yellow? It means drive slow and carefully. I understand the cars farther back need too catch up too the lead pack but the route drivers are going with this issue isn’t correct. I hope they dont adopt the virtual safety car like FIA WEC (they don’t bunch up the field and keep everyone separate with the same gap they had when under green) it’s a snooze fest
@@corvetteracing4 no yellow flags do not indicate recovery vehicles are on track. It simply means drive slow and cautiously and double waved yellows means be prepared to stop. His driving up until the truck was 100% legal as he was well within the time delta you are meant to stick to under full course yellow. They penalised him for his driving after the truck not before. What he was doing before the truck was legal in every sense
@@kijja either way, he literally drove past sainz’ car about 2 mins earlier.. good to know that he doesn’t mind risking other drivers/Marshall’s lives, just his own🤷♂️
@@kijja iv never seen anything else waved too tell drivers that recovery vehicles are on track. Other then a yellow flag in the many racing leagues I watch. What do they do in F1?
@@corvetteracing4 yep.
I’m sure Leclerc is really effing pissed that happened again.
He was in pure shock, the horror in his eyes when he saw the footage you could tell he had flashbacks to the tragedy of 2014
Everyone is.
@@megaxtrime3144 Is the footage online? I can't find it anywhere of his reaction.
@@Holmesy87 it was during the red flag not long after skyone showed the footage
Though I haven't seen it online I guess it's being kept off the web
When I first heard of this incident, I instantly got flashbacks to the former fatal accident with Bianchi. I'm saddened for there to have even been a chance for it to happen again, you'd think there is stricter rules for how to proceed in situations like this to avoid even the chance it happening again. RIP Jules Bianchi.
FIA once again taking no responsibility at all. No prizes for guessing what the outcome of tomorrow's budget results will be; they lack any bottle and any accountability.
Once Seb retires, I would love for him to begin the path to joining the FIA and making the sport a far far better watch
If all teams weren't ignorant and used extreme wets during Extreme Wet conditions instead of choosing speed over safety with Inters Sainz might not have crashed and the discussion wasn't here. It wasn't FIA fault it wasn't Gasly at fault it were ALL DRIVERS AND TEAMS. NOBODY took responsibility. But then again if the tractor wasn't there and Gasly crashed it was just a replay of Spa where Hubert died. There was NO good decision here. All decisions possible were TERRIBLE. Wich it wouldn't have if ALL drivers had Full Wets.
My idea is to have Asia races place during march-august to avoid monsoon sessions so that there will not be drama and delays like Singapore.
Japan doesn't really has a monsoon season, but they've got what they call tsuyu, a rainy season lasting generally from June to July. So that would be a really bad idea. Asia is a big continent, you can't compare the climate of southeast asia to that of Japan. Why do I even have to say this.
@@sgt.pepper5078 True...My bad
Would make to much sence.
@@sgt.pepper5078 Uh. I think you're mistaking a typhoon for a monsoon. Tsuyu is a monsoon. Warm wet air from the southern pacific meets cold dry air from the northern pacific and drowns Japan for a couple months. It's usually accompanied by a wind shift as the more energetic southern air during those months pushes the jet stream north. Which, is the very definition of a monsoon. Different languages for the same thing. Sorta like a hurricane and a typhoon are the same thing, but we differentiate in seperate languages by location. Anyway... What Japan doesn't have is a typhoon season. Those start further south in the pacific and are driven north east into the indo-china seas and the Indian Ocean. Missing Japan.
@@halycon404 You are correct, but I wasn't mistaking typhoon for monsoon. I clearly stated tsuyu to be the rainy season. Technically it is a monsoon, yes. Perhaps I was wrongly assuming the rainfall to be much less in volume than the southeast asian or indian monsoon, where my perception of a monsoon comes from. That's way I called it not a "real" monsoon. Either way it doesn't change the fact that it lasts from late spring to mid summer.
FIA must come under review for this. In light of Jules’ death this is completely unacceptable in any way
Part of what worries me here is how hard it was to actually see the recovery vehicle. At least slap a light bar on the thing, it's easily the tallest thing on track so it'd be hard to mistake it for the safety car, and they could easily put other marker lights on it to make it even easier to identify in poor conditions.
even if it was marked, identifiable, & the driver was informed exactly where it was , the drivers would still be risking their lives driving past it in those conditions
The red flag message on Pierre's steering wheel was so bright it should have almost blinded him. How about some in car footage of his car in relation to his encounter with the tractor ? Granted there should has been beacons on the tractor as well as flagmen ahead of it but Pierre is making a big deal about something that someone with his reflex's can handle. He blew it in qualy and in the race. No wonder Red Bull let him go.
@@mikehatch2114 that's just bs , in those conditions cars even on wets can absolutely aquaplane , & that takes all agency off of the driver , reflexes cease to matter , he'd just be dead
@@mikehatch2114 Wow what a moronic statement.
@@mikehatch2114 And what would you say if we had a repeat of 2014 and Gasly had hit it? Is it not a big deal to have a lethal risk on track in the conditions we saw? I'd disagree with you completely there.
And yet Karun Chanduk and Paul di Resta felt it necessary to blame Gasly and to say the FIA got it right! It’s an outrage that they let that truck and grab onto the circuit before all drivers were safely behind the safety car, or in the pits. It’s also ridiculous that the full wet is so slow that no one would use it, even though it was obviously needed! High farce, and disgraceful behaviour. Thank heavens no one else was killed.
Incorrect, they stated that both were at fault.
@@Jordan-fz7cb not in the clip I saw. Karun later back-pedalled on his assertion, issuing a clarification that HE thought the FIA were at fault - but then he would, he was getting a mauling on Twitter for his blaming Gasly.
johnny herbert was the one who blamed pierre the most and was the loudest about it. made an absolute fool of himself imo
@@wife9571 I've no idea why they keep JH. Sky generally have a fairly decent team, but JH contributes nothing other than brain farts. Also, those pink pants on a lad his age.
They didn't blame it on Gasly. I swear you lot have selective hearing.
They stated that not only should the tractor not be there, but Gasly shouldn't have been speeding. - because it's against the rules.
Alonso said he didn’t realise Sainz or the recovery truck were there at all until he saw the replay during the red flag. I don’t think anyone would call Fernando unobservant so it really shows how little they could see, even under yellows and the SC. His ‘this will be eventful’ comment on the grid was also accurate.
Sounds like a good reason to slow down under the yellows so you can avoid any obstructions.
@@roflchopter11 To be fair it may not have been yellow flagged when he passed Sainz since he was so close behind him at the time. The spray from cars at racing speed probably obscured him. Lewis very nearly ran into Sainz on the way past too, presumably because he couldn’t see.
@@roflchopter11 slowing down doesn't change much in these conditions. You can EASILY lose control over your car through aquaplanning in slower speeds. He could've been on the left or right aide of the track too, who knows? Visibility is bad and going at 100-150kmhr is still fast
@@christianfrancescocacciato9300 and deadly
This is absurd. It shoudn't have happened period. Not enough safety measures. I also think recovery vehicles should have mandatory LED lightbars. It's just an extra safety precaution to improve visibility of the vehicle just like you know, real roadside recovery vehicles.
100% agree, such a common sense thing to do
Flood lights on front, right and left side and back a huge yellow or red light bar showing the width of the tractor, make it a light show so it shows easily where the people are, the crash is and the tractor.
@@drstrangel0ve agreed, simple, easy and inexpensive to implement
Remember also the incident in Singapore where the race was green-flagged while a marshall was still on the track recovering Tsunoda’s front wing? Two major screw-ups in safety in one week, what’s going on?
#1 is Tsunoda being on the track...Time has shown he's unfortunately nothing but a back marker driver...
@@ago7212 backmarker driver? I think ur mistaking him for Latifi
@@ago7212 humm Yuki has quite a few top 10s in a average car... like the other person commented, you're talking about Tsunoda, not Latifi...
FIA: we reviewed our action and found no fault of our own.
Even if Gasly was driving unsafely, causing a collision between two F1 cars or an F1 car and a barrier is much, much different than a collision between a low racecar and a high tractor, or a marshall. Let's not forget that yesterday on dry conditions Verstappen lost the car and almost crashed into Norris, on changing, wet conditions the possibility of mistakes on a car with 1000+hp is more than likely, especially given the fact that the whole field passed on the same conditions next to the vehicle. Most importantly the screenshot of the tractor on track is much less scary than on video, since its lights are much dimmer than the red flag ones and it is visible for a few frames, possibly amounting to just tenths of seconds. It's amazing how the FIA can enforce archaic rules regarding body jewellery and treat them as a safety issue and simply forget one of the darkest days of modern F1. On the very track with the very same, or worse conditions that caused it no less...
Very well said
Seriously someone should hold them accountable for that apparently the FIA aren't doing their jobs well
Honestly that race was so damn wet that pretty much anything could have happened
That being said congratulations to my boy Max for taking another WDC
I can't believe that F1 haven't gotten rid of these tractors and brought back the cranes that we had in the 80's and 90's especially in the hard to recover areas.
Cost cutting?
@@megasyxx When you consider how much money F1 makes and the cost to hire a crane. Is this really a viable argument?...
@@carisi2k11 I don't know my dude, if they can cost cut enough to make going to a race a possibility that'd be kinda great. I looked at tickets for Austin 6 months ago and even at that time it would have been 500 dollars for saturday and sunday
Probably not suitable for Suzuka. Cranes are heavy and could sink into ground or are too big to get into the track. They do use cranes when it is suitable.
Depends on the track. Many tracks do have cranes around the corners ready to recover vehicles. But its not possible everywhere, especially when you consider then length of the tracks.
I think the solution is pretty simple and why it was done is beyond me. Dont deploy recovery vehicles until all drivers are collected by the safety car, and make sure drivers are made aware of any recovery vehicle/personnel locations on the track. This doesnt really solve the issue of what happens if there is a driver incident in the safety car line, but its sure better than what this was.
I think the solution is even simpler. Red flag the race for a recovery (maybe just for low visibility.) Wait until all cars are in the pit lane before sending out the recovery vehicles.
The race wasn't even red flagged for recovery, it was red flagged because it was unsafe to drive. So it makes no sense why the recovery vehicle was sent out at all before all the cars had returned to the pits.
I think Japan 2014 showed us that even a safety car doesn't protect the drivers from hitting equipment in difficult conditions. Since F1 cars really are designed to operate at full speed and aren't great at slower speeds (losing brake and tire temps, etc.), running them behind a safety car may actually increase the risk of them going off and hitting a recovery vehicle. If a recovery vehicle is needed in any remotely risky position near the track, particularly when it's wet, a red flag really is the only reasonable course of action. In this case, they did that but didn't wait for all the cars to get back to the pit which is all they needed to do to avoid a big mistake.
@@rars0n the truck was there before the race was red flagged. It was on Verstappen's onboard in the sky sports broadcast.
Add another track light that activates when recovery vehicle is on track. Surely this technology is possible.
It is absolutely unbelievable how many FIA controversies there have been just this season, this is getting ridiculous. How they have any credibility as an organization is beyond me
They lost any remaining respect or credibility in the final race of last season.
If Gasly was 2m to the left he would have collected Sainz car even if the tractor wasn’t there. Surprised there isn’t a channel for race control to warn drivers of hazards. That should happen asap. Agree the tractor shouldn’t have been there, but a warning to keep right more important to overall safety. Congratulations to Max. No doubting this victory.
Gasly knew there was an accident AND there was YELLOW before the RED was waved..
This is true, there should be a general hazard warning, however it's much safer to hit another car than it is to hit a truck. The cars are lighter and they crumple, the truck will not give at all. It's still dangerous to hit another vehicle, but not nearly as dangerous.
@@TheBlockyMan
Not true. A car must be ready to stop if there is a safety car. He wanted to catch up, which is why he was driving flat out, but catching up is not a requirement at all.
@@TheBlockyMan
He said himself that he was driving flat out over the radio.
It’s like leclerc said, no tractor until all cars are off track...
They should add flashing lights on the recovery vehicle as well as drivers steering wheel to let them know when there is active recovery going on or when marshals on track.
I disagree.
Double waved yellows and safety car means that there (may be) are marshals on track. In that case the priority is not with the F1 driver but with the marshals. Gastly came across the marshals and their vehicle, HE needs to make accommodations for them under double yellow and safety car.
Sure, the marshals could have waited another minute IN THIS CASE. Double waved yellows and safety car are the highest level of warning to drivers on track, this warning level should be suitable for when marshals and equipment are on track with them. In this case they could have waited but what if a driver is stuck in an overturned car? Should the marshals wait until a red flag and then until all drivers have retired to the pits? NO. Safety car an double yellows should be enough for the marshals to do their jobs.
for me its the visability and the conditions.... i could barely see what it was from the onboard camera :/
Thank you, this is the only logical answer.
"The'll do anything in their power to remain clean of guilt"... Me knowing the reason why Binotto and Toto weren't on the grid this weekend and why Horner didn't have a smug face on his interviews today.
What's the reason? Do explain.
@@12thninja Horner is... cautious about the FIA investigations as Toto and Binotto were reported "allegedly" visting their legal teams. Probably trying to find loopholes, like Redbull did.
Things can unfold in two different manners. 1- RBR gets away with it and both Ferrari and Mercedes put's down a Clown masks for following the rules.
2- RBR doesn't get away and it taints this year's championship and 2021 again.
Either way, it's about to be bloody.
@@12thninja they were too afraid to find fault with the fia ensuing the retaliations
I wasn't paying attention when it was live
when i reviewed the footage on YT
i can only say. That was insane
That was fucking insane, the poor visibily, and a tractor on the road
going those speeds, fucking insane, it made me jump, i didn't expect that to be there
I didn't see it coming at all, and that was from the comfort of my sofa
i can't imagine the fear that ran down gasly's spine when from nothing a tractor appears next to him
insanse
1. In poor visibility (max visibility < 100m) Marshals and Recovery vehicles should never set foot on the track before a RedFlag and all cars have been confirmed in to be in the pits
Car crash -> RedFlag -> Remaining cars are in pit -> Marshal & Recovery Vehicle
2. Unless driver is in dire need of medical help, point 1 should always be followed
3. When point 1 is overturned by point 2, tractors and marshals should be equipped with active high visibility gear(Lights strapped on to them)
normal highvis only works when there is light, they're dependent on the incoming vehicle to have lights, hence why they are passive
what we need are active high visibility safety gear, one where even in visibilities as low as
The Gasly tractor incident was never shown in TV coverage.
Additionally before anything is sent out on to the track, a radio message should be sent to all drivers informing the of what and where it is happening.
Additionally before anything is sent out on to the track, a radio message should be sent to all drivers informing the of what and where it is happening.
Situations like fires should overrule #1 as well. Make it a list of immediate response emergencies instead, driver in need of medical help(them asking for medical help and/or unconscious) and fire.
The FIA is so broken. They need a major redo to protect these drivers and keep this sport on the upward slope. I watched Jules accident and it could have been avoided
and to know it potentially could have happened again today is to much. Things need to change.
why FIA dont wait a while for all cars got into pitlane then deploy the crane, it wont take a long time. but they decide just to carelessly bring out the crane
other video perspective show that FIA not only put harm on the drivers, but also on the marshalls
crazy.
I understand why he and the drivers were upset but Gasly absolutely deserved his penalty for behaving with casual disregard for safety. People are asking "what if he hit the tractor?" Take the tractor out of the equation for a moment. There still would have been marshals around Sainz's car. Now we can ask "what if Gasly spun out and hit the marshals?" The tractor being on the track was certainly unsafe, but so was Gasly's speed in those conditions when he knew a car was stranded. The FIA doing things in an unsafe manner shouldn't absolve Gasly for his complete disregard for safety.
I see a lot of people casting blame, but no one talking about the fact gasly was driving well within his delta.
Exactly. The fact that he was speeding under the red flag after the incident, should not be used to distract from the fact that the recovery vehicle had no place on the circuit.
Just because you're within your Delta it doesn't excuse you driving "flat out" (his words) through double waved yellows... And then speeding after you've passes the incident.
We can regognise that the FiA's race control made a terrible decision and also regognise that Gasly was driving too fast. This isn't an either/or.
Delta should have nothing to do with what speed was appropriate under those conditions. 50mph would have been more appropriate under the red flag than 150mph.
Gasly could've been riding a rocket, it would still be absolutely wrong having a freaking crane on track together with cars. There no excuse, period.
@@dutrajohnny Unfortunately, when writing a rulebook, there are legitimate reasons why you may allow a crane on track when there may be cars still circulating, though these would be rare, and not appropriate to the situation today. However, with the speed he was going in bad visibility under red flags, he also would have plowed into a stationary car that was immobilized on the track where marshalls may have been trying to save a driver's life. When under unexplained red flags, if you cannot see that there is not an accident directly in front of you, drive at a speed where you can visually confirm that you aren't about to plow into something.
Why do they race in Japan on monsoon season anyway? Can't think of another track that it's so often hit by these types of conditions. Pair it with China in Spring for instance.
I was thinking about that myself today, as I live in Thailand and know when the monsoon comes…they all know as well, don’t understand…
Hilarious the FIA can never take responsibility even when they fuck up. Yeah, Gasly might have been speeding but that wouldn’t be a problem if there wasn’t a truck on the track when there shouldn’t be.
Is it ok to speed under double yellow/red/safety car conditions? Even though there is a high chance there is a damaged race car or a driver out of his car or marshals on the track? Its ok to put volunteers in danger by speeding?
@@lumtrebor Both Gasly and the FIA are in the wrong. He was speeding during the safety car period to catch it which he is supposed to do, but a few seconds before he got to the wreck of Sainz the red flag came out. Due to the conditions he 100% should of slowed down, but the FIA is also brain dead for putting a truck onto the circuit while cars are still going around. They knew a red flag was coming so they could have waited until it happened to begin recovering the car. I’m just glad nobody got injured, but this whole incident never should have happened.
@@sofknupbeat I agree, both are in the wrong. He is not supposed to speed in a section with double yellows, he is supposed to be prepared to stop. The tractor was on the track a significant amount of time before the race was red flagged. The race was red flagged because of the rain getting worse, not because of the tractor. Tractors are on the track while cars are driving at every race where a car cant be pushed off. Its what the VSC/double yellows are for. It was however, silly to have the tractor on the track when not all cars had caught. The 17 other drivers all passed the tractor safely as the SC slowed way down. I believe that at an appropriate speed (I think everyone would agree 10 km/h is safe, maybe 20, maybe 50, idk) it is safe to have the tractor there. But Gasly being out of sync was overlooked by the Race Controller(s) which was a big fuck up. Gasly going too fast made the situation worse, which was Gaslys mistake. Thankfully no one was injured, the FIA got lucky
@@lumtrebor 100%. Especially in such changeable conditions there needs to be extra care given to dangers like this. Gasly was going far to quick relative to the conditions considering the fact marshalls were on track. Unsafe irregardless of the fact there was also a truck. Think there will be some procedure change after this incident, and as you said I’m just glad nobody got injured. After what happened to Jules I don’t think the sport could take it.
@@sofknupbeat I thought, they red flagged after realizing tractor was on the track.
it reminds me of last Korean GP when the tractor was heading toward the pack on the straight line.
The communication between fia, marshals , teams and drivers are very very poor.
On the driver steering wheel under the safety car it says that the safety car is out so what is stopping them from also saying that there is a recovery vehicle on track as well. They could have something like T13 REC VEH flash up on the steering wheel to show that there is a vehicle on track and roughly where it is.
or, you know, the radio.... Other motorsports have the capability for race control to broadcast directly to all drivers in emergencies.
I watched again the onboard and Gasly was told by radio there was a car at turn 13.
The recovery truck is really fast. Within 2 seconds it moves from its parking spot to being on the side of the track and standing still. Great acceleration and great brakes.
6:43 So it's more acceptable to go 251 in that situation when there's a crane on track compared to when there isn't?!
Max winning the wdc like this is peak max winning the championship he wins but it’s overshadowed by controversy out of his control
'peak Max' is being a child-minded brat who crashes into people/puts others into danger, to overtake.
The turn where Sainz went off and the straight leading to 130R are pretty close to each other. It should be possible to put a crane in that area between them and cranes on other strategic points of the circuit where 2 separate sections of track are close together to minimise the need for recovery vehicles. Look at all the buildings in the way at Monaco yet they're able to recover crashed and broken down cars with cranes. That would be my suggested solution. I knew Pierre had every right to be angry about it as soon as I saw it. The vehicle Jules hit wasn't even on track so today's incident was potentially more dangerous.
Bathurst 1000 2022 race on the same weekend. Recovery vehicle got in the way at pit exit, the vehicle was on the safety car line when a driver come out of the pit side by side with another car that came around the first corner, and of course Bathurst isn't wide enough to go three wide so one of the drivers got spooked and had to hit the brakes.
lets not forget that sainz’s crash was the cause of the teams being able to start on inters. we can have race starts on wets and let the teams come up with a strategy for it. it’s dumb as hell they could start on inters
The as we learned half a season ago from the porpoising incidents, teams & drivers will sacrifice safety for performance. The wets are SLOW.
The only way teams are putting on full wets is if the race is red flagged and they’re forced onto wets, otherwise they’ll opt for inters every time.
The only real way around this is for Pirelli to nerf the inters, or remove the compound entirely.
@@jamestravis21 or, they could make the full wets a faster tire. Even with the wets as they were, those at the back state on the full wets for like 10 laps before switching to inters.
It seems your primary goal is for the cars to be slow.
@@roflchopter11 idk if Pirelli have the technology to make wets faster. If they did, maybe they would’ve done so.
The reason why I brought up removing or slowing down the inters is because it may be easier than making wet’s faster.
Nobody wants to use the full wets because they are 4+ seconds per lap slower and Pirelli is one of the worst tire manufacturers. They ruined WRC and now F1. bring back Michelin and Bridgestone already
And then he got a penalty ridiculus
Don’t go 250+ kph on a double yellow to red flag
Two wrongs don't make a right. The speed limit under red flag is 80 kph.
Unacceptable to have that happen. FIA should fine itself and GTFO.
Gasly The Fak Out?
It's odd how little focus is placed on the double waved yellows and the blatant disregard for what that means on Gasly's part...
What's absolute insane about this situation and the statements on Gasly's driving, is that it wouldn't matter if he was doing 200mph or 20mph. The conditions were so bad it wouldn't have even needed a mistake. Look at the initial Sainz incident, he doesn't make an error, like Jenson said on commentary normally it's barely even a corner. Just had no control. There has to be a serious investigation into this. I also can't imagine what it must have been like for the drivers, especially those close to Bianchi
Bullshit 20mph is equivalent to 200mph, a train of 17 drivers passed it slowly with no issue. Do you think Gasly would have been in danger if he was going 2mph? The speed absolutely matters and its idiotic to say it doesn’t.
Why is no one talking about this being standard practice for Japanese circuits? You see recovery vehicles on track all the time in Super GT races. Not saying it's right at all, but that's the best explanation I can give for why it happened.
Beeeeecause then we'd have to find something else to complain about
That’s honestly why I’m more mad at Suzuka/the safety management there than I am at the FIA-and Suzuka is my favorite racing circuit in the whole world. Why those recovery vehicles don’t already have high-visibility lights after 2014, knowing full well that poor racing conditions are a fairly common occurrence there, is beyond me.
even then, its on race control to control what is going on on the track, including the deployment of recovery vehicles.
Ensuring that local staff know and comply with F1's safety procedures is part of their job.
So it's OK to drive 250kph if it was only Carlos"s car half way across the track? did he think it would magically vanish when he drove past it full speed?
thanks for bringing it up! this cowards did not even include this moment to the official race highlights....
This weekend was like a double flashback, Carlos’ car was in the worst situation possible for a racing car, a side impact after the car has already been in a crash, Im happy that the car did not bounce further on to the track and nothing happened
Remember when Michael Masi was fired because the fia thought he'd cause another incident like Jules's? Not even a year later and his replacements nearly do exactly that. I bet they won't be punished for this either considering how spineless the fia is being with the teams that broke the budget cap.
You've seen the report on the budget cap 😱
@@12thninja There is no report until Monday you fool
@@aloelover6012 I was being sarcastic
3 things from it:
1. If the recovery vehicle was authorised onto the circuit, it should not have been at that point, as it was not a time-critical recovery. (though such circumstances could exist for time-critical recovery, where the vehicle needs to enter while cars are still on the circuit under very tight controls).
2. If the recovery vehicle was not authorised onto the circuit, then tighter controls on marshals are required to ensure all cars have passed before they can enter the circuit.
3. Drivers returning to the pits under red flags, when visibility is this bad and they have very limited information on what's around them, should not be doing 250kmh (155mph), which Gasly was under red flags. (He stated he was following his Delta timing for driving back in, rather than driving to the conditions at a speed which would have allowed him visibility of whatever was ahead of him that had caused the red flag. It could easily have been a crashed car in the middle of the track which would have been even harder to see due to it smaller size and may not have had visible lights).
Agreed on all 3. Some communication break down must have happened but Gastly should not be going that fast either.
All safety or recovery vehicles/equipment should have lights to alerts drivers of their presence, if they are allowed onto the track at all.
FIA should implement a speed limit (like the pit lane but gps controlled) zone around the incident. Even without a tractor on track, a marshal was to recover the car and or driver, there are other lives at risk too other than the driver. F1 car going at high speed through an incident zone is unacceptable even if the trick is to stay within a delta zone sector of a safety car period. Drivers will take advantage in any situation to get back to the race, be it yellow or double yellow sectors, we have seen it many times in the past with or without incidents.
Or just enforce serious penalties for violating double yellows.
@@roflchopter11 Yup, but that is giving the choice to the driver to speed in weight of safety vs penalty. Not giving them a choice in the first place with priority to safety is the safer option. Like a pit lane speed limiter, but instead of allowing them clicking a button to turn on the limiter, the car electronically limited forcefully by gps. Already implemented in WEC, well handled in difficult tracks incidents like Le Mans.
Gasly was not prepared to stop so it was his fault.
"A double yellow comes into play if the hazard is wholly or partly blocking the track and/or there are marshals working on or beside the track. In this case, a driver must reduce speed 'significantly', not overtake and be prepared to change direction or stop."
Exactly
They are brushing off their brush offs ready for tomorrow's master brush off.
Something that is being missed is the tyre barrier on the straight, where Sainz crashed. Had the angle of crash been any different, he would have been thrown in the traffic, with cars being driven in minimal visibility due to spray. That could have been ugly.
Didn't Bianche have his off also under safety car? He followed I think Sutil?
To everyone going on about Gasly and the delta:
He was 9s behind the delta because he did a (very slow, nose-change) pit stop. He was going fast enough to have already reached 9 seconds behind the delta from probably 20-30 seconds behind it when he exited the pit lane. He admitted to being flat out.
If it's a red flag with a crane they have to wait for everyone to come in and if there's Marshall's it needs to be a safety car asap.
Huge disgrace to see that tractor on track in such rainy conditions. Jules Bianchi
This needed to be looked at
Scarily similar to Jules Bianchi tragedy
Wow 3 minute video turned into almost 11.
FiA must be held accountable!
Gastly must be held accountable
Gasly.....double waved yellows. Means slow down, be prepared to stop. Marshalls on track.
Red flag. Means the race is stopped.
That 'vehicle' on track could just as easily have been an ambulance or fire engine trying to save a fellow drivers life.
No need for the fia to bring in more rules. Drivers should just obey the ones already there.
@@AZBCDE FIA had all the time in the world to tell the teams, to be precautious through that section, unacceptable from the FIA the entire race from no running the wet tyre very scarcely, then the tractor incident, finally decided to give penalty and actually a fast one at the end of the race, but then says Max is the world champion while changing the points finish in a very confusing manner that neither Max or Redbull was told.
@@sheabryantmusic and Gastly had all the time in the world to use his brake pedal. Do you need to be a genius to figure out that you need to back off and be prepared to stop on those conditions when there been a crash the lap before
@@AZBCDE stop spamming your BS!!!
he was also going 250pkh durring double waved yellows that turned into reds...
Surely a green / red light system for trucks going on track could be automated via car tracker? Or, if a truck does go on, an automatic speed restriction should go active via virtual safety car process. Weather variations could be factored in as well I.e. lower speeds in rain
Just remember what happened to Jules Bianchi 🕊️
May he rest in peace
Great short race.
it’s a rubbish weekend, the weather is too extreme
I do belong to camp "it's all so safe and sterilised nowadays, why do they complain so much?", but the past 4 years have seen so many outrageous incidents (the pinnacle of which was Bahrain 2020), I am very sympathetic to what the drivers are saying. At the end of the day, though we all to some degree love the risk inherently involved in motorsport, unnecessary risks must be mitigated. And this is one of them
The FIA genuinely pulled out the UNO reverse card on Gasly.
There is no credit to be given to the FIA over launching a review. They did it because they realised blaming Pierre wasn't going to work after the drivers got too publically vocal to avoid, plain and simple - it's a backpedal not a progression.
Are we certain about that? I can completely understand that they weren't going to address it during the race because they're busy dealing with the race.
I really struggle to believe that the FiA race control would be unwilling to admit that this was a mistake about what was clearly a serious safety concern. They have every incentive to try and maintain the trust of the drivers and teams.
I think it should be reviewed that if the conditions are such that drivers cannot see, as we had today, or with this race, a recovery vehicle should not be on track, FIA will have all the same data at minimum if not more as to where all the cars are, but I was surprised to see the footage during coverage that the recovery vehicle was already on track when the safety car leading Max was already there. Let's just be thankful Carlos wasn't t-boned when he came to a stop, some of the cars still at speed at first would have been an awful outcome.
I think Carlos was very lucky, at least 2 cars looked very close to hitting him on the way past. I do wonder if after the recovery fuss at Monza the Marshalls were told to move cars as quickly as they could but obviously the awful conditions should have negated that eagerness. Especially if race control understood upon releasing the SC that they were probably going to red flag it anyway.
Two meters to the left could have happened from even a two inch divergence from his line.
Blaming Gasly is a smokescreen by the FIA! It was unacceptable! "Don't drive a truck on track when there are cars on track." Excellently said. Ditto about who was in charge of the decision being to blame, not the marshalls.
Why are there not cranes like at Monaco where the crane is behind the barrier and not a tractor that should never be in the live racing area?
FIA only took this seriously from the social media fallout of squarely blaming a driver. The FIA has struggled with consistency, ruling, and governance for a few years now. The finance issues from 2021 now adding more noise on an already unhappy result for many fans. The FIA are starting to feel downright incompetent.
The FIA is completely in the wrong for having the tractor there but why are people acting like Gasly shouldn't be questioned for doing up to 250kph under red/double yellow conditions? Here are some solutions that the FIA should bear in mind next time the Changes that need to be made
1 - wait to put recovery vehicles out on track until we’re fully behind the safety car
2 - inform every single driver before putting out a recovery vehicle that it is coming onto the circuit
3 - mandate drivers slow down a lot more past crashes
4- if the weather radar indicates heavy rain move the race to a much earlier time. So we don’t have incidents like this and wait 2 1/2 hours just to go racing.
They have a delta to follow and he was well within it. He technically didn't break a rule. Delta pace needs to change but that doesn't change the fact that the tractor should never have been there
@@joshwoodland5103 not under double waved yellows, you must be ready to stop in that case, regardless of delta, and he quite clearly was not prepared to stop
@@joshwoodland5103 The delta is a maximum speed, not a minimum speed. They don't have to "follow" the date, they just don't have to exceed it.
It was most definitely a huge screw-up. The sport is already one of the most dangerous there is. Everything should be done to insure the safety of ALL those involved.
Why screw-up? Why are they using the safety car??????? You know nothing apparently. But let me help you, they use it so they can remove other cars or debris from the track more safely, protecting the people that do this dangerous job. And how do you remove them???? Well simple you use a tractor or another vihicle. Why was Gasly going around the track with speeds over 250 km/h? That is not allowed during the safety car or red flag.
Please stop exagerating, one of the most dangerous... there are sports that far exceed the dangers in the F1, F1 isn't even in the top 10 probably not even in the top 50. All motor sports on 2 wheels are more dangerous, these drivers are the real dare devils but earn less for the risks they take.
He was going way too fast. The tractor should not have been on the track.
Both things can be true at the same time. Gasly deserved a penalty. The FIA/Suzuka need to change how they operate.
I don’t understand what is so challenging about waiting for every car to return to the pits before releasing a recovery vehicle.
It's routine to recover under safety car. Surely you're not demanding a red flag for every recovery?
@@roflchopter11 In rain conditions this severe then yeah honestly I think a red flag is probably advisable if they have to bring a tractor onto the circuit. In dry conditions it does make sense to just run a safety car as usual, but with heavy rain it just seems too risky.
1. If tractor was not there, there were still marshals and Sainz’s car.
2. Double waved yellow flag was shown. Which means “There are some personnel working on track.”
3.Gasliy knew there is a car parked at specific section of the course because he saw it 1 lap before.
4.If Gasliy some how lose control just like how Sainz did, it was slam dunk fatal accident.
5. Gasliy lost his temper by pit lane start&forced pit stop at the end of lap 1.
6. According to the current regulations, FIA needs to put VSC or SC to put any kind of tractor into the course. Which was cleared.
So yes. FIA didn’t blame Gasliy. Gasliy blamed FIA even though it was his error.
He used Bianchi’s tragic accident for his own sake. Which is totally unacceptable.
Stop the nonsense!!!!
This is so much bullshit it borders on libel.
RedBull! Max! Checo!
the double yellows should be a set speed that the cars go , not a delta time, this way a controlled clean up and controlled cars on track , like in nascar.
On Chazza HD, We were chatting about how F1 could have another Bianchi incident in Japan. Low and behold..
The drivers should refuse to continue racing until a formal apology has been given to Gasly and rules are REFORMED. There is no excuse for having recovery vehicles on track with the cars still in tow and viability close to 0. This should never happen.
Its obvious that the FIA are no longer an adequate governing body since their first response to this incident was to blame Gasley and not their regulations regarding on track safety.
What if they used vsc instead? At least vsc has a speed limit. Or, use speed limiter during sc to prevent drivers speeding for catching up, and give them a more lap to catch up before the end of sc.
During the dtm race at hockenheim yesterday their was a huge accident immediately it was red flagged and this should be the standard procedure
This wasn't a huge accident.
The FIA needs to be sacked! How much more of their incompetence must we endure until there is another fatality. F1 should privatize their own governance
He knew that at the very least Sainz car would still be there. And still he drives so fast at the same spot Sainz went off. Risking he would crash hard into Sainz car. Yeah, that was smart thinking of Gasly.
Tbf I saw a comment earlier which summed it up, the quicker the car is going the more grip it has, he also would have had cold tyres and brakes which would have needed him to drive faster to warm them up, he was also 9 seconds under the delta before it was red flagged
@@aaronmoore3178 this is utter utter horse shit. DOUBLE WAVED YELLOWS MEAN BE PREPARED TO STOP. If he’d obeyed that rule, this whole fiasco wouldn’t be an issue. This is assuming that they waved double yellows, if not, then I apologise
@@aaronmoore3178 So the faster he went, the safer it would be? Nah man. The drivers behind the safety car were going much slower than him and they were not sliding off the track...
Why not have a zone starting 1 marshalling sector before the incident and ending 1 after (under SC of course), in which a speed limit is enfoced - eg. the pit limiter. At this kind of speed it would be a lot safer to bring a truck and marshalls over the fence.
Even if you plow into a tractor at 40kph, it can still be fatal
@@tkpenalty In an f1 car with the Halo and crash structures it's very unlikely.
At the same time every accident, no matter the speed can be fatal.
What I'm trying to say is that you can never guarantee that something will be 100% safe, especially in a sport like F1, but the chance of injury while going 80/60/40kph is magnitudes lower than at 150kph.
Also the driver has a lot more time to react and the braking distance is a lot shorter at lower speed.
@@pyndochodnicykappa8129 the same questions need asked in 2014 hence the vsc was introduced for exact this reason.
But that's just how they tow away cars... There is not another option except, red flagging, which is very unnecessary. Just drive slow; there is double yellow. There have been cranes on track plenty of times...
If he couldn't see a vehicle with flashing lights he definitely would not have seen sainzs car.
Max is champion!! Congratulations!!🎉
Jupp!
What is it with suzuka and recovery vehicles?
I’m sorry but Gasly passed the site of Sainz’s crash at speed, despite knowing the Ferrari had crashed & was stricken on the circuit. Sure he wouldn’t & shouldn’t have expected marshals & a recovery vehicle on the circuit, but he should have approached that part of the track with more caution & slowed down. Deserved penalty.
Raged driver and fans alike? Really?
I got a feeling that most fans think this is Gasly's fault.
Double yellow flags indicate great danger ahead. Drivers must slow down and be prepared to stop, not drive to delta.
He was driving way too fast to stop, as driver often do in his kind of situations. F1 drivers want to catch up with SC or get to their pit box as soon as possible and they put no consideration toward the safety off marshals. Their result in the race is the only important thing...
Gasly just found out that it's not a nice feeling when you are on the other side.
Don't think most of us do... He was 9 seconds under delta and was clearly going slower than he could have. It's all very well being prepared to stop but not being able to see ten yards in front of you that can be a bit difficult and it's arguably more dangerous going at that speed. If there was no tractor on track, no-one would mention his speed, he was within the rules at the time (except the speeding under red flag AFTER passing the tractor)
@@rhysjames7608 Double yellow flags indicate great danger ahead. Drivers must slow down and be prepared to stop. That is the most important thing, not delta. You can manipulate delta by going too slow and then too fast and still be within that time. In that case, you would be driving dangerously at all times because going too slow and too fast is both dangerous.
I will give you a RL example. I don't know if in your country you have point to point speed cameras, but imagine that a car is travelling first 20 km at 60 km/h and the next 20 km at 300 km/h. The speed limit on that road is 130 km/h and that car's average speed (100 km/h) is well below the speed limit. Would you consider that safe driving?