Really interesting how a corner went from a challenge of having to judge how much speed you can afford to carry and how much you need to lift off to just barely a kink in a straight
@@BeckMax Michael Schumacher was apparently the first to take Eau Rouge fully flat. And in the Jordan, in 1991. And in time, with the downforce those cars generate, there are many turns that can now be easily taken flat nowadays, like Eau Rouge or 130R.
The turn was also reproduced in 2003, so now it is slightly wider radius. It would still likely be flat today even with the old, tighter configuration, but there would be much more steering lock.
@@bundesautobahn7 Michael took it flat in 1995. This was the same year that Eau Rouge was made way less bumpier and also slightly reprofiled I believe. Even the active suspension Williams cars couldn't take Eau Rouge flat in 1993, but the slowest cars of the 90s (1995) took it flat. Clearly show a sign of reprofiling
Gotta disagree. It obviously has improved over the years, that's to be expected but please compare 1995 footage with the next ten years. It's probably the best quality. It comes down a lot what the quality of the video that the uploader has at his disposal. Ps. Look at onboards from 2005/6/7 they are just terrible quality.
Disagree too. The quality was excellent way before 2014, probably late mid late 90s (apart from no widescreen yet). Some of these clips are just low quality rubbish thanks to youtube compression and/or low quality amateur VCR recording. You can easily see this at eg 2002 at 3:17 where even the lap time text and drivers name are stupidly blurry. It's embarassingly bad and nothing like the broadcast recording which would be hugely better quality than this.
The corner was reprofiled in 2003 for safety concerns, opening up the exit, and making it an easy flat kink. Although I imagine modern F1 cars would take the old 130r easy flat.
1. Awesome Job Dude 2. 2010 Reminds Me; this is around the time Schumacher actually woke up and got up to speed with Rosberg; stopped being slow. Hassled Rosberg for two thirds of the race before Rosberg's wheel failed. He was about equal (performance-wise) with Rosberg from Suzuka 2010-Brazil2012. 3. The change from 1999 to 2003 is insane
In 2011 Rosberg did not participate on Suzuka´s QLF but on 2012 MSC trashed Nico, who would then trash Lewis and get all poles in 2014, 2015 and 2016 Suzuka´s QLF
'99 Mika was doing the first lap of the race with a heavy car, and '00 Mika was stuck in traffic. They did it a lot faster in qualifying in those years. Not sure if it was flat already, though, or if the much stickier tyres due to the Bridgestone/Michelin war in 2001 made that possible for the first time. For 2003 they changed the profile of the corner, after a heavy crash by Allan McNish in the previous year. It has been easily flat in qualifying ever since. Unless you had to drive a total dog of a car like that 2003 Jordan.
@@TonyF1MMA You might to go back and look up/rewatch 2011 and 2012. Schumacher actually finished ahead of Rosberg more times than the other way round, when both drivers finished. 14-11 to Michael I think.
130R layout has been updated and smoothed following Allan McNish crash in 2002. Before 2002, this corner was a real challenge (dropping a gear, sitting the car in the corner and applying throttle again). With new layout, easy flatout.
@@juanmanuelcorrea7673 How many wins do you have in Formula 1 ?? Remember he arrived when already it was Mercedes dominantion, I never talked about performance anyway, just longevity, you have a problem always putting stats everywhere to blame someone you don't like
@@kena6106 How many wins do you have in F1? See how stupid and irrelevant your point was? And yes, I don't like Verstappen, nice job figuring that out.
@@juanmanuelcorrea7673 Yeah that's the same but I never downgraded him freely, this point was to show how ridiculous it was to put his wins on the table, when they don't need to be, and when were just watching on TV, easy to hate on him like that
Gotta love the 1st iteration of the Mercedes Benz V10 from 95 shown here with mika at the wheel. It screams power and precision at nearly 18500rpm. That feat alone in 94(as the engine was designed in 94) is crazy to think it is 26 years old. There's probably very few engineering companies who could attain such a good power train using today's technology and have it work as well as it did
If it wasn't for the safety concerns I would say that the cars are now so fast that we need the old corner profile back. It is a shame to see so many of F1's great corners just not be corners anymore :/ . Too much downforce
2001 - First year 130R was taken flat out. 1989 - 2013 = Glorious 18,000+rpm screaming racing engines that sound like a symphony of power. 2014- now = Subaru that hasn't had a valve adjustment in 200,000 miles with a ricer fart-can muffler attached. Seriously how can F1 be happy with the product they've produced? Not a single car in the world that employs a super complicated turbo - driven energy recovery PLUS a kinetic braking energy recovery systems. I think the years of just KERS were the best... It made for some very interesting battles when combined with DRS. I remember watching cars overtake each other back and forth down a long straight because one driver saved his KERS until after he deployed DRS... I say bring back refueling, bring back the PART TIME KERS where you had to push a button to deploy the extra power... Increase KERS to around 150-200hp boost rather than just 80hp... Reduce the width and length of the cars by 10-15% and we'd have MUCH better racing, as well as a huge cost savings to the teams. Make the KERS system a standardized part, exact same for every team - and leave EVERYTHING else for the teams to design themselves.
@@MrBlazemaster525 That crash was actually after the corner was reprofiled, and is also the reason that MotoGP has never returned to Suzuka since then. The real reason the corner was reprofiled was because Allan McNish crashed at the old 130R during qualifying in the 2002 Japanese Grand Prix. The crash injured him enough that he couldn't participate in the race, but he's still alive, and he even raced outside of F1 for years.
The first one with Senna was spectacular with that brutal sound, twitchy car, and quick manual downshift. Every one after that became progressively more boring, just like the rest of the sport.
If you wondering why in 2004 130r its litle bit diferent, its because in 2003 daijiro kato from motogp crash before come to the corner after 130r (i forgot what corner its) and the track change for make the track more safety. (Daijiro kato death because that accident
Interesting how the steering input changes over time. The 80s and 90s the drivers seemed to have to steer the car more through the corner. And the era of higher downforce the input is really small and the cars seem to be more on rails. Then 2013 when aero restrictions were put in place the steering input is higher.
Even today that corner implies a good amount of compromise to take it flat out or release the gas a little in order to be conservative. Like Tamburello, if the car have a mechanical issue there, your car probably are gonna end crashing into the wall
Hate them or love them the new engines allowed to take 130R 10-20 km/h faster than the previous years, showing how faster they are. Although the sound may not be that apealling.
This makes it clear why its not exciting to watch F1 as it was in the past. The cars have so much downforce, now they are completely planted around this corner. The current engines sounds like vacuum cleaners compared to the old ones.
I think had we not had grooved tires in 98 it probably would have been the first year of 130r flat out. The 97 cars were very very close and were the fastest ever F1 cars till the new tire war of 2001 onwards 1998 grooves tires then Bridgestone becoming the control tire supplier definitely slowed cars down
I know the engines tried to drown out Sir Murray but it's ok, no need to apologise :)
Murray's fine. For one, he wasn't a sir then and for another, no titles in the workplace.
Murray was never knighted
@@andymb601 - Sadly not.
@@mr8I7 I think i read somewhere he turned it down
@@mr8I7he was offered it but turned it down
Really interesting how a corner went from a challenge of having to judge how much speed you can afford to carry and how much you need to lift off to just barely a kink in a straight
Yeah, the same with Eau Rouge.
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@@BeckMax Michael Schumacher was apparently the first to take Eau Rouge fully flat. And in the Jordan, in 1991. And in time, with the downforce those cars generate, there are many turns that can now be easily taken flat nowadays, like Eau Rouge or 130R.
The turn was also reproduced in 2003, so now it is slightly wider radius. It would still likely be flat today even with the old, tighter configuration, but there would be much more steering lock.
@@bundesautobahn7 Michael took it flat in 1995. This was the same year that Eau Rouge was made way less bumpier and also slightly reprofiled I believe. Even the active suspension Williams cars couldn't take Eau Rouge flat in 1993, but the slowest cars of the 90s (1995) took it flat. Clearly show a sign of reprofiling
It’s amazing to see how much the camera quality progressed over the years. 2014 seemed to be where it improved the most.
Gotta disagree. It obviously has improved over the years, that's to be expected but please compare 1995 footage with the next ten years. It's probably the best quality. It comes down a lot what the quality of the video that the uploader has at his disposal.
Ps. Look at onboards from 2005/6/7 they are just terrible quality.
No, 2009 had the biggest improvement compared to 2006.
@@Warrioruk is the rise of HD
Disagree too. The quality was excellent way before 2014, probably late mid late 90s (apart from no widescreen yet). Some of these clips are just low quality rubbish thanks to youtube compression and/or low quality amateur VCR recording. You can easily see this at eg 2002 at 3:17 where even the lap time text and drivers name are stupidly blurry. It's embarassingly bad and nothing like the broadcast recording which would be hugely better quality than this.
ITT:zoomers dont understand how bad yt compression is.
No need to apologise for the commentaries, especially when it's the great Murray Walker ;)
My thoughts exactly
It's mental how the early cars had to drop a gear or two for that bend, 20 years later they're practically taking it full speed
The corner was reprofiled in 2003 for safety concerns, opening up the exit, and making it an easy flat kink. Although I imagine modern F1 cars would take the old 130r easy flat.
1. Awesome Job Dude
2. 2010 Reminds Me; this is around the time Schumacher actually woke up and got up to speed with Rosberg; stopped being slow. Hassled Rosberg for two thirds of the race before Rosberg's wheel failed. He was about equal (performance-wise) with Rosberg from Suzuka 2010-Brazil2012.
3. The change from 1999 to 2003 is insane
In 2011 Rosberg did not participate on Suzuka´s QLF but on 2012 MSC trashed Nico, who would then trash Lewis and get all poles in 2014, 2015 and 2016 Suzuka´s QLF
'99 Mika was doing the first lap of the race with a heavy car, and '00 Mika was stuck in traffic. They did it a lot faster in qualifying in those years. Not sure if it was flat already, though, or if the much stickier tyres due to the Bridgestone/Michelin war in 2001 made that possible for the first time.
For 2003 they changed the profile of the corner, after a heavy crash by Allan McNish in the previous year. It has been easily flat in qualifying ever since. Unless you had to drive a total dog of a car like that 2003 Jordan.
I don’t know if I’d say Michael was anywhere near Rosberg in 2010, 2011, or 2012. He got destroyed all three seasons.
@@TonyF1MMA You might to go back and look up/rewatch 2011 and 2012. Schumacher actually finished ahead of Rosberg more times than the other way round, when both drivers finished. 14-11 to Michael I think.
@@TonyF1MMA It's not like Michael was at the 1991-2006 level, but I think he was every inch Rosberg's equal in 2011-2012.
130R layout has been updated and smoothed following Allan McNish crash in 2002.
Before 2002, this corner was a real challenge (dropping a gear, sitting the car in the corner and applying throttle again).
With new layout, easy flatout.
Yes!
I admire Senna's late manual downshifting!
Ι am probabbly missguided by the different cameras, but I think is the latest manual downshift.
For the 2001 Ferrari it already was a flatout
Nah it was flat out since 2001.
Crazy to say that Max has already been around for 6 years and he's only 23
And only 8-9? wins. Yikes
@@juanmanuelcorrea7673 How many wins do you have in Formula 1 ?? Remember he arrived when already it was Mercedes dominantion, I never talked about performance anyway, just longevity, you have a problem always putting stats everywhere to blame someone you don't like
@@kena6106 How many wins do you have in F1? See how stupid and irrelevant your point was? And yes, I don't like Verstappen, nice job figuring that out.
@@juanmanuelcorrea7673 Yeah that's the same but I never downgraded him freely, this point was to show how ridiculous it was to put his wins on the table, when they don't need to be, and when were just watching on TV, easy to hate on him like that
*21
The 1990 641 is the best sounding car here. That V12 is utterly magnificent.
2 years and no kids taking about “V10 scream”. Amazing
Always loved the 2004 screamers myself :) Regardless, 2014 marked the death knell for F1. No more spectacle of sound. Sad.
Interesting to see that 2001 was the first time this corner was flat out
You should’ve put Charles Leclerc 2019 Japan as a bonus clip.
Illegal car...
@@hoya1178 That wasn’t my point mate.
@@hoya1178 your illegal car is still there for 2019 but with Seb, also its not proved it was illegal from FIA
130R legend
Goodbye Mirror 😂
The Eau-Rouge - Raidillon of Japan!
Nah the blanchimont
Ah yes, V10
For anyone curious, Max Verstappen had his 17th birthday just a week before he drove in practise in Suzuka 2014
Thanks for adding in the braking point into the chicane, really love the sounds
Senna obviously was in quali trim but the speed he would take into the corner over others in those early year clips is incredible
The way he uses all the curb on the exit… on the absolute limit 👌
2005 should be Alonso's onboard overtooking Schummy.
Schumi*
Alesi driving with the tunes going.. love it:)
Omg what a crime to forget Fernando Alonso's overtake over Schumacher on 130r....the best one
Gotta love the 1st iteration of the Mercedes Benz V10 from 95 shown here with mika at the wheel. It screams power and precision at nearly 18500rpm. That feat alone in 94(as the engine was designed in 94) is crazy to think it is 26 years old. There's probably very few engineering companies who could attain such a good power train using today's technology and have it work as well as it did
None of the engines were revving anywhere close to 18 thousand rpm in 1995, it would have been more like 15 or 16 thousand
Schumi 2001. Flat out through old profile 130R!
thought the 2019 would be Leclerc's going holding the steering wheel with one hand
This video just makes me miss 90s and early 2000s F1. Truly the peak of the sport.
remember those days, people complained about no overtaking constantly. back then, people said the peak of f1 were the 80s
@@sultanabran1 its always like that with any sport, people will cry and complain like babies no matter what
Wonderful video, good work!
They really spoiled the corner in 03...
and the engines in 14.
From 2001 it became flat
2004.. with schumi
@@fabiobordignon3840 2001
@@fabiobordignon3840 2001 is clearly the first flat
@@fabiobordignon3840 Agree with the others, it's become flat out on 2001 based on this video
1998 also was seemingly flat
The most impressive one was Jean Alesi. he took the corner flat out while listening to the radio.
We see well the evolution of aerodynamics and downforce over years, at the end, the car can going flat out without speed loss
2001年から130Rはストレートになったのか
そうみたいようですね
そうだね。もっと難しくなるように、１８０Rにしましょう？ すごいスピードができる、とても危ない！ （僕は～N4 learning Japanese）
アクセル全開で踏みっぱなしなのやばいっすね
2001-2003はエンジン回転落ちてるから、アクセル戻してますよ多分。厳密には2004からかと
Thank you for your exciting video.
If it wasn't for the safety concerns I would say that the cars are now so fast that we need the old corner profile back. It is a shame to see so many of F1's great corners just not be corners anymore :/ . Too much downforce
It used to be a narrower corner which made it trickier, now it's too wide and safe.
nah i love it. In fact, i want more speed through corners
That F1 looks so unspectacular today is about the cameras. You literally could see the limit of the car when the whole picture starts to move
3:07 Here everything goes wrong? I don't think so. Aerodynamics is the most exciting technical part of the F1 for me!
It's terrifying the speed they do on that corner. The drivers' reactions and judgment are amazing.
No need to apologise for Sir Murray mate. R.I.P big man, keep fighting Michael 🐐🐐🐐🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
やっぱり昔のF1のエンジンサウンドが好きです
今のF1も十分にカッコイイですけれども
After McNish's big crash in 2002, 130R was redesigned and became a double-apex corner. You can take the corner easily flat-out nowadays.
Don't apologize, it's fine☺
Interesting Schumacher no lifting 130R in 2001 but lifting in 2002.
Damn Button taking 130R flat out so easily whilst on the radio to his engineer.
i don’t hear lifting in 02
Thank you! Notice the huge difference in engine noise from 2014 though... No noise!
2001 - First year 130R was taken flat out.
1989 - 2013 = Glorious 18,000+rpm screaming racing engines that sound like a symphony of power.
2014- now = Subaru that hasn't had a valve adjustment in 200,000 miles with a ricer fart-can muffler attached.
Seriously how can F1 be happy with the product they've produced?
Not a single car in the world that employs a super complicated turbo - driven energy recovery PLUS a kinetic braking energy recovery systems.
I think the years of just KERS were the best... It made for some very interesting battles when combined with DRS. I remember watching cars overtake each other back and forth down a long straight because one driver saved his KERS until after he deployed DRS...
I say bring back refueling, bring back the PART TIME KERS where you had to push a button to deploy the extra power... Increase KERS to around 150-200hp boost rather than just 80hp... Reduce the width and length of the cars by 10-15% and we'd have MUCH better racing, as well as a huge cost savings to the teams.
Make the KERS system a standardized part, exact same for every team - and leave EVERYTHING else for the teams to design themselves.
One thing in common about those machines that they are LOUD.
Where is Fernando Alonso's overtaking Michael Schumacher?
... what? I selected certain clips, I can’t include everything! I had to scrounge just to find these!
@@slender_04f14 anyway nice video ❤
RIP 1994 Master Senna
Wow the sound of those engines in the late 90s!!
Some things never change
Ayrton senna’s 130r was surprisingly faster than I through it would be.
Since 2003 is not the same. The 130 it was reprofile in a double apex: 03:38 inside early and outside late unlike until 2002 03:23
Totally agree with you. Completely ruined the challenge of it.
@@amirgamil you do realize they had to change it because someone fucking died at 130R?dick
@@MrBlazemaster525 someone died at 130R?
@@melancholy4284 Yes, Daijiro Kato crashed off 130R at the 03 Japanese MotoGP
@@MrBlazemaster525 That crash was actually after the corner was reprofiled, and is also the reason that MotoGP has never returned to Suzuka since then. The real reason the corner was reprofiled was because Allan McNish crashed at the old 130R during qualifying in the 2002 Japanese Grand Prix. The crash injured him enough that he couldn't participate in the race, but he's still alive, and he even raced outside of F1 for years.
The way the sound of the engines dies at 2014 is sad!
Alesi driving with the radio on, what a legend
No need to apologise for the music mate that tune was a bop!
The first one with Senna was spectacular with that brutal sound, twitchy car, and quick manual downshift. Every one after that became progressively more boring, just like the rest of the sport.
I wanted to watch Gerard Berger of 1991 without shifting down.
1:45 No need to apologize, it's Murray, God bless his soul
cant believe that Alesi had a radio in his car back then!
I lived in Monza for 21 years and i Remember, when i was 14, the sound of the 2006 Ferrari v10. I loved It.
We can say that machine has been changed a lot in last few decades.
右フロントの半分近く外に出して130Rに突っ込むセナは本当にいかれてると思う（誉め言葉）
cars are getting more and more stable
That quality jump from 1993 to 1995
edit: then right back down for 1996
once 2010 hits you can really see the quality improvements
didn't need to apologise, when sir Murray is talking, we must listen :)
はじめまして、とにかくfー1は速い。しかも歴史にのこる名ドライバーばかり、とにかくすごいですね。
Man 1989 Senna so close to the grass on entry and exit. Fearless
Schumacher crashed there in 1992 as far as I remember after touching the curbs.
旋回スピードがどんどん上がっている！
すげえええええ！！！amazing！！！！
Alessi jamming it up through 130R, what a legend
Never apologize for including Murray Walker!!!! :)
If you wondering why in 2004 130r its litle bit diferent, its because in 2003 daijiro kato from motogp crash before come to the corner after 130r (i forgot what corner its) and the track change for make the track more safety. (Daijiro kato death because that accident
Was that Schumacher that went on the inside of Sato there? Balls!
Thanks a lot ^^!
2001 is probably the fastest, 1989 most spectacular and 2003 the most impressive. Those reflexes and pinpoint accuracy is amazing
2001 I believe is the first time the driver was flat through the corner
@@ey7290 2000 qualifying saw Schumi & Mika fighting for pole & taking it like allmost or absolutely flat. That 2000 video was from the race.
You don't need to apologize for Murray walker commentary
I drove a formula 440 in scca, obviously no where near as fast but it sure was fun. I tip my hat these people. They have guts. God bless them
Alesi blasting the tuunes! :)
Interesting how the steering input changes over time. The 80s and 90s the drivers seemed to have to steer the car more through the corner. And the era of higher downforce the input is really small and the cars seem to be more on rails. Then 2013 when aero restrictions were put in place the steering input is higher.
Even today that corner implies a good amount of compromise to take it flat out or release the gas a little in order to be conservative. Like Tamburello, if the car have a mechanical issue there, your car probably are gonna end crashing into the wall
Never apologise for the voice of Murray Walker, his is the only voice to truly compliment a v10.
セナの闘志剥き出しのキレた走りが一番迫力がある。
14年から急に音だけ遅く感じてしまう…
Nice video!!!
89セナのアウト縁石まで躊躇なくスパッといく感じがヤバい。
そこでの+1km/hの脱出が効くんですよね・・。
しかもステア切る直前に軽やかにシフトダウン。たまらん！！
Has this corner been re-profiled? The exit looks different and doesn’t seem as tight as it was.
McNish crash in 2002 cause them to reprofile the track from an single apex corner to a double apex corner making it a lot easier to take flat
Hate them or love them the new engines allowed to take 130R 10-20 km/h faster than the previous years, showing how faster they are. Although the sound may not be that apealling.
That Brawn was a joy to watch
At 5:45 Formula 1 was never the same
SHUT THE ACTUAL FUCK NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION
@Mattaroony the 2014 and 2015 cars were so fucking slow xD
@@nic_the_grekk0262 who shit in your cornflakes
1989年のドライバーのむき出し感がすごい。
The old 130r was a monster
You don't have to apologize for the music, it's quite fitting 😂
Never apologise for allowing us to hear Murray Walker
This makes it clear why its not exciting to watch F1 as it was in the past. The cars have so much downforce, now they are completely planted around this corner. The current engines sounds like vacuum cleaners compared to the old ones.
Alternate title: F1 ASMR By Year (Explicit Content)
definitely 94 was a dark year to F1
But not to me, this year let me born
3:40 Man bring back a nice yellow F1 car
Cool to hear Shovlin before he became more known for his role at Mercedes
am I the only one that realised that the drivers from the years 1989-2004 turned and tilted their heads verry much the direction that they are turning
Amazing
The real 130R until 2002 ...
Indeed.
In 0:32 At 0:48 The 1991 Onboard Is Nigel Mansell But I Hear The Honda V12 Engine And The Renault V10 Engine
2001 was the first year of flatout at 130R (probably 2000 also)
I think had we not had grooved tires in 98 it probably would have been the first year of 130r flat out. The 97 cars were very very close and were the fastest ever F1 cars till the new tire war of 2001 onwards
1998 grooves tires then Bridgestone becoming the control tire supplier definitely slowed cars down
後半のマシンはもう減速どころか緩めることもなく全開のまま余裕でいけちゃうんだ。さすが天井走れるダウンフォースモンスター。
Such a shame we weren't able to see the W11 going through this corner...