Roadster Showdown: Can Edd China's Fiat 124 or Martin Buckley’s MGB challenge the Mazda MX5 Miata?
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In our 1st episode, Edd China (ex Wheeler Dealers) & Martin Buckley drive the MGB roadster & Fiat 124 Spider. Can these classic cars hold a candle to the modern Miata?
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Nice to see Edd back on the road
Completely agree
You mean in a car?
It's great to see the 124 spider getting the attention it deserves. 4 wheel disk brakes, DOHC, double-wishbone front suspension and a 5 speed from the factory make it a great drivers car that sells for half of what the Alfa Romeo equivalent does!
Wonder if a german made ford 2.8 v-6 fuel injection with a 5-speed would fit in the fiat? They made it with solid lifters and a gear driven cam. Then also a supercharger....
@@jamesbayly5785 if you could fit that motor you would need to replace the rear end of the fiat also cause they can’t hold that much stock
@@jamesbayly5785 That Lampredi TwinCam is a masterpiece, why ruin a beautiful sportscar's balance with a big fat Ford lump?
Ed's a leviathan, he needs goggles because the windscreen only keeps flies off his knees. 😁
I am impressed that at 6'7", Edd can A) fit in any of those three cars, and B) drive them.
I met Edd last November 2019 at SEMA in Las Vegas. Such a nice guy. I was with my 6’4” friend and he looked at Edd and said “wow”. Edd is quite tall. I hope he finds a new vehicle for his expertise. I do enjoy his work.
In the late '60's the 124 was a revelation: a true hemi DOHC head, a two stage 2 bl Weber carb, mechanical advance distributor , slick shifting 5 speed trans, 4 wheel disk brakes, dbl wish bone front suspension with a well located solid axel at the rear. All of this worked wonderfully - exiting a corner at 4,500 rpm - the carb opens in-sink with the spark advance and those lovely cams make that little engine scream like a banshee all the way to 7,500!
@Nobby Barnes They did, they're almost all gone, like aspirins in the rain haha. Not the case with MGBs ( I have one)
@Nobby Barnes I bought a 1970 124 sport in 1974 and drove till a drunk totaled it in 1982 - no rust issues on mine
@DBD 34 Goldie So you haven't owned an 124, then. All as Gary mentioned above plus a top (ughh..."hood") that didn't leak and could be lowered or RAISED with one hand at a stoplight, aluminum head, electric fan, front and rear anti-roll bars, a decently-sized trunk (hhhh...."boot"), something of a back seat, and sized so humans could actually use them. The British stuff was fun but always antiquated. Also, despite what is said in the video, the wood dash was actual wood up until 1974-75ish.
I learned to drive in a 124 . . . nice handling car, high revs for power . . . MGB's were nice too, and easier to work on. These days, I drive an Expedition with a 5.4L VVT engine . . . another world.
Horses for courses. Part of the joy of a classic car is knowing you did that, you fixed it, you drove it, and its personal to you. With a modern car, they are just too sanitized, yes they good, well built, don't need much more than a service, but they sum up the modern era of chuck away society rather than enjoy what you can achieve
always nice to see Edd back with any car - this time paying homage to a classic MGB, a car I wanted when much younger, more please
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These guys are two of my favourite motor car commentators. What a great pairing. Genius! At last Edd now has a worthy and knowledgeable partner who has an established bank of well written and well informed articles behind him. Really looking forward to seeing what they find to look at👍
They are a dynamic duo, great show.
Back in 1972, one of our elementary school teachers drove a MGB (as opposed to the typical sedans teachers drove). It was an amazingly sporty looking car relative to the other cars. That started my love for 2 seater sports cars. I now own a 2017 Fiat 124 Spider Abarth and LOVE the sporty, nimble nature of the car. I would have been happy with either a MX-5 or Fiat, but I like the style of the Fiat better and the mid range torque makes it an easier car in daily driving, as you don't have to really rev it up to get the goodness out of it.
Great video guys, I love that MGB, the looks and style are beautiful and sporty, please don't sell it short! It really is a stylish car!
We couldn’t agree with you more about the MGB and it’s role in inspiring the cars that followed it.
NewVsOld There was a yellow MG (1974ish) just rusting away in a neighbor’s drive way. It really broke my heart to see that car just rotting there. I don’t have the skills (or time) to work in cars, but that was one I wish I could save. Such a waste....
Well done, gents! I’m a big fan of all three cars. Wanted an MGB when I was a kid, ended up with an X1/9, and now I have my fourth MX-5 - an orange one like you guys had. I consider myself lucky to have been able to enjoy ANY car like these three. They make people happy.
They definitely made the NvO team happy!
Good to see Mr Buckley embracing this new video technology. I like his style. He was the only reason I carried on subscribing to the classic comic for so long.
I have one of each: an MGB and an MX-5. This video sums the experience up perfectly.
My 69 MGB ...
And the dance between the magic chrome hub spanner and lead knock-off hammer in the trunk
Two in front “cozy”
Three upfront - way friendly
Two in front and one sideways on rear deck - mayhem
Two finger close ratio shifts ( transmission that is!)
Preferred dash / smith details and passenger no glove box padded pleating detail
Positioned down way low - below windshield during brisk fall Maryland nights with top down
Allegedly using handicap curb cuts to make u- turns after midnight and avoid detours / traffic lights
Parking and fishing out of an mgb while on a bridge’s pedestrian cat walk
Chrome bumpers
Throaty su carbs
Lower stance
Good times ~
I owned a '99 Miata up until a few years ago. I have to say that once a Miata gets 15 years and 150,000 miles on it that things do start to break. I ended up with a fair amount of water on my pants and grease on my hands during my years of ownership. I did end up with more facial hair and a desire to visit local microbreweries by the end of it.
To be fair, I doubt that an MGB would have made it half that far. I was crazy enough to try and look into getting one as my daily driver before I settled on the Miata. Every MGB that I looked at had some critical problem that needed solving as soon as I would have bought it. Not to mention that I don't have a garage to keep it in and I live near the coast. Any MGB that I would have owned would probably have returned to the Earth by now.
I owned 2 MGBs - the first a 1963 model where the engine did not last long as it had the three-bearing crankshaft which could handle being hammered! I replaced that with a new 1965 model with the five-bearing crank, wire wheels etc etc and drove it for several years without any mechanical problems whatever. I even modded the engine and brakes and raced it for a while.
I do not think these guys have any idea how well thought of the B was back in the day - the sales record of course proved that. I could challenge any contemporary similar sports car and even raced an E-type one night from Harrogate on twisty roads till we reached the M1 when his top speed left me.
As for the Fiat, psah - I diced with one of these through northern France, en route to the Costa Brava, again at night, for a good couple of hours, performance was very similar.
The B was a GREAT car and not merely a GOOD car.
We've owned a 1980 MGB roadster since 1982. It's like one of the family. ☺
Long ago I had a '69 MGB. It was rusted out, and I could barely keep it running on my college student, part time retail income. Many years (and cars) pass, and I buy a brand new 2002 Miata. Super reliable, very grippy, working heater in addition to AC. A better car all around, at least until it too got terminal rust and had to be put to pasture.
But in my dreams, its the MGB I find and drive again.
The MG look's beter in my mind.!
The fiat better in mine.....i had a 73' ford motor co mercury capri that had a 2.6 v-6 that had solid lifters and gear to gear crank cams drive. It was a very tight fun fast engine.....but only a 3 speed....thought how id like it in the fiat with a 5 speed....dont know if it would have bolted up to the fiat 5 but eventually ford came up with 5 speed trannys for the motor also fuel injection.....oh and a supercharger would have been nice....
That sound's like a nice set up ,cool"
@Howardsend88 your right, far prettier than the Fiat, back in the 60's I had one of the first B's, a 62 with alloy bonnet, pull handles and 3 bearing motor, it eventually got the tin worm. had 3 B's, all great fun.
Tough call on this one both are gorgious looking cars
That was a good watch, cleverly filmed and edited.
Been reading Buckley for years. Nice to put a voice with the face. Ed, Pure genius. Please more more more.
Next episode coming this weekend. We're a small, crowdfunded production, and will do everything we can to keep more episodes coming your way!
The fact that Edd doesn’t have his own show by now is pretty crappy. The man deserves it.
Nice to see Edd again! W.D. never became the same again.
Superb! A very welcome and long overdue Buckley being on RUclips. Have enjoyed his superb writing for many years so looking forward to more of the same.
Hope he features his various Mercedes plus his insight/observations on the real characters of the motor trade!
Edd hasn't lost his enthusiasm. Great to see him back. More please 👍
I, my dad, had an MG 1964 MG-B. We bored it 30 over, decked it , and added a tuned custom header & twin exhausts. It was quite a nice little car. I loved driving it. The only think that gave us trouble was the slave cylinder for the clutch. In those days James Bond was just coming of age and gave me some pen-ash.
Great video. I love my '79 Fiat Spider, it knows when to break down. I can count on it to have an issue at the end of the Summer so I can start the next driving season off with some vigorous maintenance. Last Summer it was the rear transmission mount, this year it's the radiator.
Good to see Ed back!
The end bit with the sad piano had me in stitches! Great video and enjoyed the back and forth commentary-cheers from Canada!
Good to see you back Edd. This is brilliant! More please.
I always fancied an MGB but they're way too expensive for me, much better looking than the Fiat too IMO. I ended up with my two seater sports car in the end. Guess what?
1995 MX5 1.8iS. £900 had it 3 years now as my daily. Bulletproof and utterly reliable.
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The B is ok but that Fiat is sublime!
Btw there is no such thing as 'Ferrari Red' there is only Rosso Corsa (Italian racing red). The original Ferrari colour is Giallo (yellow), the colour of Modena.
Good to see Edd again. Cheers from the U.S.
Another proper UK classic car channel, up there with Harry's Garage and Ian Tyrell - hopefully, once you build up subscribers and content the videos will move to 20 & 30 mins - thanks for great entertainment.
Thanks for the high praise! Help us get the word out there!
I have tears in my eyes , all the nice 747 in the background !
Good to see Edd China back on youtube but no need to mention the show he left!
Imagine if the MGB had actually been developed, Alloy block and head, then 7 or 8 port alloy head to upgrade it in the range. Then all alloy overhead cam or even twincam.
I've got a very similar looking white 66 MGB and growing more and more in love with it!
Fiat spiders are like a dime a dozen over here in the states. I picked one up with a solid body for $3500. Needed a little work, but it’s a great ride.
Edd China’s hair when he gets in the MGB, amazing
Love the Fiat, I mean I own one lol. Definitely 100% the best convertible sports car you can buy, in my opinion.
The Fiat Spider has been an underappreciated road car as far back as I can remember. I'm driving my modified '79 Spider today and every time I get it on the highway I remember why I tell people a car like this is rated in "smiles per mile", and nothing else. because nothing else matters when you're in a top-down cruiser as solid as the Fiat.
Hey Ray…i think, i am having intermittent start issue on my 124 spider fiat…any advice?
Fiat start up fine..drive it for about 30-45 minutes…park and come back 15 minute later, turn key , nothing just clicking.
Wiggle the stick shift, turn off/on ignition….wait 15 minutes and it starts up. Weird
@@billybutton5814 You have to take a systematic approach to diagnosing the problem. Given the age of these cars you have to look at everything from the ignition switch contacts to the starter wires to the grounds. On that note, you should run a nice fat ground cable from the trunk mounted battery up to the engine block.
Any and every electrical connection is suspect when you have a problem like you're describing here. Good luck and keep that Spider running!
It's Edd! We love Edd
Great to see Edd back on the telly. The MGB looked worse after the update but... the 124 pininfarina spider europa volumex was just knock out design and engine wise.
Good video! Had both the MGB and 124. MG broke a lot but was always repairable. Fiat was toast after 9 months spirited driving. Got smart and bought a Porsche. Wish I could afford one now! Never even driven a Miata...but most Japanese stuff seems to lack character...you know the sitting on the side of the road hoping someone will come along with a set of points and pliers!
My sports car progression was a well-used BRG Fiat 850 Spider followed by a rubber-bumper MG Midget and then a new 1990 Miata. 31 years laster I still have that Miata and despite its 315,000 miles it looks and drives very well. You do have to work on it occasionally which is always easy to do so you still get some of that British sports car satisfaction but without the fear of being broken down at the side of the road.
Love the third mgb driving by after saying rare... thanks.
Poor Ed not quite fitting in and needing 50s welding goggles on the MGB
But,
Great to see you Ed !!!!!! Glad you got rid of that loud mouth offensive wheeler dealer side kick
6'5" I fit in a Honda s2000
Haha poor Ed, definitely a full sized human!
The welding goggles are actually flying goggles
George Charles I know but I just thought more appropriate ;-) master fabricator EC is
Howardsend88 Brewer is a used car salesmen with a big mouth who got lucky
Ed is skilled, creative and such nice chap even defending his old partner
Great to see Martin on film. I'm 46 and been a subscriber to to C&SC since I was 15 and being a fellow Lancastrian who grew up around oddball European cars I've always been a fan. Top man.
Good to see Ed back looking well.
My favorite car journalist and mechanic together, this is gonna be good😄
Fantastic . . . Two of my most favourite car guys . . . Martin, I have read you for years and love your columns and you ongoing adventures with your own (at times) eclectic fleet of classics & Ed, can't say how awesome it is to see you back on the Tube !! Thank you guys, looking forward to seeing more of you both . . . Made my week !! Cheers !!
Nice idea, and good to see both Martin and Edd in this format. Let's have more please.
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Agreed. We do need to see more of Ed behind the wheel and working the spanners. Love how Ed sat IN the Fiat and IN the Mazda but ON the MGB
Always nice to see a well kept one on the road, that’s for sure. But I went down the beetle road when I bought my first car 37 years ago and glad I did too. More love less labor.
This was great. I've had three MX-5s as well as a '74 and now a '77 MGB and always admired the Fiat. I think the new iteration of the Spyder is more attractive than the MX-5, but the B's have been my all time favorite. Thanks for sharing.
Hey great to see ya edd,we need to see more of your shows mate.
Well I fell off my chair hearing Martin talk about the MGB in this way. I can recall talking to him about my love affair with these affordable fun cars years back and Martin rolling his eyes... ha ha.
Basic as it was it was always hamstrung in some ways by enough cash to develop the car and frankly was to be retired in the late 60s for a new mid engine design sports car. But the usual story, the powers at be said no, so Abingdon had to soldier on with the B well past its use by date. Amazingly it kept selling very well until the final curtain. Just imagine if the bugs had been worked out of the Twin-cam engine (used in the MGA), we'd have seen that in the B I'm sure. Well done and great to see Edd China in this new venture.
great cars totally boring guys
Ed looked like doc fae back to the future wi they shades on ❤🏴🏴🏴🏴🦄
lol at Edd's head poking OVER the top of the windscreen....
Glad you get our sense of humour!
Like Noddy ☺
I drove a 69 Fiat 124 Spyder for several years as a teenager and it was a joy to drive! They have a hemispheric head, so a 4 cylinder HEMI LOL!
Nice to see Edd actually getting to drive!
We all like the MG, that does not mean they are terrible, only flawed cars have a soul!
An American smallblock and a 9 inch ford rearend would fix the flaws. LOL
My MGB's not terrible (or flawed anymore, w/ 130 HP Stage III motor and 6 sp. overdrive trans.) ... heck I drive it 7-8K mi/ yr no issues. And my "reliable" GMC truck sits, broken, too $$$ to fix.
@@redneckdiggers.bottlesandr9747 Some folks doing (or done) that - then you have fastest little car on the planet ... with a new set of flaws LOL.
@@forestghost7 Does it read MX5 on the back?
@@carstenweiland7896 Haha. It has no need to - keeps up w/ MX5's just fine thank you
Great to see you on RUclips Martin. Been reading C&SC for 20+ years, you're my favorite writer.
I think we are all glad to see Ed back, he got screwed by wheeler squeelers, I'm a loyalist Ed, haven't watched wheelers since you left the show, Ed! Ed! Ed ! Ed! Ed! Ed! Ed! Hoooooraaaaahh!!!!
My oldest brother had a 1971 new MGB (post NAVY) when I was too young to drive but years later I got a 1972 MGB that I replaced the flush grill with an inset one (like my brother's) and had it repainted BRG, again like my brother's. I enjoyed it (despite fixes) for about ten years (probably a little less (7?) and sold it too cheaply. ;-)
Subscribed. Great test, but the MG, like everything built in the UK in that era was built down to a strict budget, removing any chance of adding flair or power to what could have been a world leading sports car.
And to try to compare anything to something designed by an italian, it will always come second. The Italians just naturally have style, in everything. Yes it's annoying, but it's a fact.
This is such a great episode! Well done guys! Donated to the cause!
More of this with Edd! I watched him at Wheeler Dealers when I was a kid and I really want to be good with cars like him
More of this please. Tired of the "I bought the rarest most expensive ....."
Wait till you see our next one :)
Couldn't agree more. Watching Top Gear and co ride around in 'supercars' is a dull as ditchwater. More real cars for real people please!
@@DavidUKesb You get us David :)
@@NewVsOld Looking forward to see what else you have in store. Some thing like this is well overdue, although Hubnut does a fantastic job with his reviews of 'ordinary' classic cars. Maybe ADO16, or Landcrab, or Rover P6 or Triumph Stag?
If we can raise enough crowdfunding, we have a long list of cars that will face off against their newer equivalents. We're really keen to film them!
So happy to see Edd back doing what he does best. I will subscribe and follow you guys. Cheers from Australia
I owned an MBG and a Fiat Spider. I loved both of them. I currently own a 2023 MX-5. I love it also.
Great job! Loved the video I have a 1971 MGB and I will never sell it willingly! I will also add a Miata to the fleet one day! My father had a Miata and it stuck to the road like shit to a blanket!! Cheers
Fantastic, Martin Buckley on video, my favorite car journalist. Im a fan!
Great comparison; great to see Edd, as well. We owned an MGB in 80's-90's My son owned a 124, for a while. While the B requiring occasional tinkering, the 124 was 'not as dependable as an MG' LOL. Loved both. Hard to argue the Miata. I really like Rocketeer's swap kit for the Miata; drop in Jag/Ford AJ30 V6
I've had 7 124 spiders I love them!!!
You may have a condition there Rich ;)
This is excellent, I hope it's the first in a long series of features. All the best chaps!
Many thanks for the kind words! Next episode arrives this weekend, following which we're trying to crowdfund more episodes with viewer contributions - see the description for details!
great short piece of content! well done!
Great little film! I've had both of these back in the 80's - 2 MGB's and a 1982 Fiat 2.0 124 Spider which I bought in the US and drove from Kansas City to New Jersey, put it on a boat and 8 weeks later collected from Southampton. Lovely little car which I repainted, removed the US spec side repeaters and installed the teeny Euro indicators in their place. It drove really well, and was pretty unusual to see in UK. It also had a brilliant soft top with glass side windows and went up and down with the merest tug, stowing neatly in one movement unlike the MGB soft top which requires a load of Lift the Dot fasteners to be lifted and careful folding of the vinyl covered frame. Not BL's finest design!
Spotted 4 different white MGB's in the film; Martin's - BUO 211L with a full grille and damaged front valance mutated to FHH 244K then to FHH 244M and then back to FHH 244K with the correct recessed grille....and not forgetting the very rusty GOL 161D.
Any clues to why different cars/plates?!
Look forward to the next show!
Love the flying goggles. The MX5 is the natural progression of the sports car and is a coffee drinker (not Latte).
Thanks for this. It was genuinely entertaining, and I've subscribed.
My old school principal bought an MGB new in the 60s in order to teach in the countryside. He still uses it as his daily driver in 2021. I think it has 500,000 kilometers on the clock.
They sure don't make 'em like they used to! Thanks for watching and hope you like the show!
I'm subscribed! Great first episode, and looking forward to your next! I didn't realize how tall Edd really is! With this pandemic, we need this type of programming more than ever to help keep us all sane! More please, and keep it coming! Thanks so much for doing this!
Glad you liked it. We’re a crowdfunded show (links in the description above), so we’ll use every last cent/ penny to make as many as we can!
Thank god he’s back
Had my MX5 NB for over 20 years. Only thing I fixed on it was the clutch servo and that took barely an hour. Its been my daily driver since day one.
I wanted an MGB but in 1974 I could only afford an MG Midget... but I loved that little car. It fit like a glove and was really fun to drive. It was like a big go-cart.
Man you he is huge or the car is too small great to see him again!!!
Two of my favourite car-guys here; great stuff. Showing you don’t need ‘crazy bantz’ and gurning at the camera to be entertaining. More, please!
I mean obviously Ed can't fix anything without his gloves
Wonderful ! Watch out J. Leno .
EDD! Yay!
I loved my 65 B - it started a lifelong love of open top motoring!
Enjoyed this. Nice one, look forward to more!
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Ed you are a gun. I am watching all the old episodes of Wheeler Dealers. Your explanations and re builds are fantastic.
What about the newer Fiat Abarth 124 Spider. Should have compared that too! It's the perfect blend of classic looks with modern benefits!
That was the original plan but sadly it had been discontinued just as we were filming. Our “new” cars will always be available to the public to purchase when they want to and NvO should convey why (if we do our jobs right)
This is great. Plus it's great to see Edd the giant again. Fantastic story.
It's interesting that the somewhat maligned MGF/MGTF outsold the MX5 in the UK every year of it's life. This showed the MG Rover could still make pretty good sports cars right up to it's untimely death. I'm happy with my 2003 TF 160 and it's quicker than most MX5s.
Sold my 1964 MGB 6 weeks ago; . I loved the car but don't miss it. Seems odd but it is time for something else. I have owned 7 MGs from 46-69 and over 40 Brit cars . I would have another 1969 124 Sport Coupe, unfortunately they are now expensive and like the 124 Spider they are still FIATS and parts supply is spotty in the US. I am considering a MIATA but they simply do not have that elusive "connection" as with earlier sports cars. Given all the vehicles I have owned ( over 120) I would prefer to have my 1959/60 Fairthorpe Electron Climax . Excellent video, thanks. Jeff in Oregon USA.
Love my 74 MGB. Over the past decade, I have completely rebuilt the car. Used to have a Fiat years and years ago. It was fun for about an hour and then would stop. Let he cool down for an hour it would go again. I was told the crank was bending when it got too hot. I don't know for sure. I'll take my B over the Fiat any day.
Excellent content! Just subscribed. Looking forward to the next installment......
I’ve always loved British sports cars, especially the Triumph Spitfire. However, I test drove a Miata when they first came out, and I fell in love. They wanted $20,000 US dollars for the car I drove, despite the $13,900 MSRP, and as a guy in his early 20s, it was out of range. In 2001, I was the widowed father of two sons. I had a family car, but I went out and bought a 2018 Miata GT in black with a rare dark cherry top, a six-speed manual, and custom Remus exhaust. It sounded better than the original, and my friend, who owns a Porsche 911, was even wowed by the performance. When my oldest son got his first car, a 4-door Mazda3, I unloaded the family car, and now daily drive the Miata.
I paid $21,500, tax and all, and now was get offered $25,000 from dealers. Not going to sell. This car is everything I loved in the British sports cars, but it’s also dependable. The Japanese did to the British sports car what Lexus did to Mercedes. They took a great idea, and made it better.
Awesome vid. I miss the Fiat my dad and I restored. RIP 124 spider
I will watch anything Edd China does! Don't get me wrong, I love MG's. My first three cars were MGA's. But the first 1.5L iteration of the Datsun roadster was introduced in 1961 before the MGB. By 1967 it had an alloy 2.0L OHC motor with up to 150hp and a five speed along with more standard equipment and much better build quality than the MG. It's not really right to say that the MGB created the concept.