Of course you are going to run the game faster rendering it at 720p - you don't really need benchmarks to know that, you can guess the performance difference. The problem is the artefacts. I don't want to turn on a painterly instagram filter, or that filter to be normalised as the way games are rendered. TAA looks terrible so often. Maybe they'll fix a lot of this stuff. But as it stands, native (TAA off) vs DLSS is night and day.
Nvidia's upscaling and frame gen are included in the cost of the GPU. AMD's frame gen is free. For example I got my 6000 series GPU before AMD had frame gen and now I have frame gen included in the drivers so I can use it on games I actually play instead of waiting for the developers to actually implement it into the game itself, AMD didn't make me have to get a new GPU for it. Nvidia cards tend to cost more than AMD or Intel cards with similar performance so you are paying for DLSS.
There is a bit of the Nvidia feature set. But what mainly contributes to the higher cost of GeForce cards is simply because Nvidia can charge more. Nvidia has stronger brand recognicion and mindshare, so they can squeeze out more profit. Am I happy this is the case? No. But it's the way things are
Nvidia also offers productivity like if u do content-creation,game dev or AI related work that's why Nvidia gpus are lil bit more expensive and Intel is alot new
While I understand, DLSS is genuinely a great technology. I'm also glad to see even RTX 20 series owners get updates to it too. However, DLSS is a double edged sword. Some developers seem to think it's a replacement for optimisation. When in reality, it isn't.
@@ProYamYamPC true it can be a good tool, I just see this new frame Gen as a smoothing tool as it still is not right enough even for a person like me, but AI is a way everyone is exploring, but if you make something easier then you open up the door to people that don't know what or how to use it properly, but all the cards aren't out yet and before I just say nope don't buy it, let me say to each their own, and if you got the cash and want then buy the 5090 , but this card much like the 4090 is a beast of a card I have to agree 💯👍 if you game then my personal opinion is buy this card if you game only at 4 k or games that just hammer the graphics card. Also if you edit movie's at home or design actual photos from scratch you heard it right creating something from nothing but what you see in your mind or someone else's mind. It has uses. But not just a card for games 2 k or less, in a nutshell if you still got a 4090 then overclock it to a stable level, might not get to a 5090 level but you should be quite happy. You know 4080TI
Personally I don't like upscaling, especially when it's recommended to just run the game, like many devs and publishers are doing now. That it looks better than native is relative, poor implementation of AA methods shouldn't justify it. I can see a lot of errors with upscaling, shimmering, frizzle, noise. All of this with CNN DLSS, can't comment about the new transformer model because I haven't tested personally, and youtube compression sucks to have a clear idea of how it really looks. Can think of only to scenarios where upscaling is useful, to give old GPU's some extra life if you can't afford upgrading, and to lower power consumption and heat generation.
I totally agree with you. I hate how devs recommend using upscaling to hit certain performance targets, it's just lazy optimisation. I like that we have DLSS though. As you say it gives old GPUs a fighting chance, which is great to see
@@ProYamYamPC I feel like DLSS was advertised as a tool to sorta give life to older/struggling graphics cards , if you are paying 2k for a graphics card i want to be able to run native res no funny bussines
Its a shame this video was ill timed considering the work you put into it. look forward to your thoughts on dlss4, very nice informative video, well done.
DLSS suffers mostly with small details like grass and hair along with what are supposed to be transparent objects. Certainly there are games where it does honestly look a lot better like Cyberpunk and that's just the nature of it being Nvidias testbed for all things they wanna shove into their new cards. But then there are games like Alan Wake 2 or SH2 where due to both the engine and the implementation it just looks... bad really. Which is both a game and upscaler issue. Honestly unless you're getting sub 60 native there's no reason to turn it on and have worse visuals in most titles that are out there but if you really prefer fps to visuals then I'd say it can be a worthwhile thing to switch on.
it also heavily depends on the resolution you're playing at too. I play at 1440p so quality is honestly manageable and looks fine for the most part but when I was playing at 1080p turning on DLSS just made games look like a mess.
@@ProYamYamPC No, you can swap out the DLSS files for any DLSS title and use Nvidia Profile Inspector to force the J preset so it uses the new model. This video is out of date considering the upgrades. To say 'don't use performance' is completely wrong with the new model on par quality with the old CNN DLSS Quality model.
I love softwares to upscale because my gpu consumes lesser power after upscaling. I am able to achieve playable fps without upscaling but my gpu consumes 100watt lesser power after upscaling. So win win
Depending on the resolution and the amount of upscaling you use, it looks pretty much identical to native res. I'm sure he already mentioned this in the video. I haven't watched it yet 😅
It's not free performance, I paid for it.
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this guy must be blind
Once I started noticing DLSS hair, I cannot stop noticing it...
Actually, I see what you mean. It looks frizzy is the best way I could describe it
Of course you are going to run the game faster rendering it at 720p - you don't really need benchmarks to know that, you can guess the performance difference. The problem is the artefacts. I don't want to turn on a painterly instagram filter, or that filter to be normalised as the way games are rendered. TAA looks terrible so often.
Maybe they'll fix a lot of this stuff. But as it stands, native (TAA off) vs DLSS is night and day.
Nvidia's upscaling and frame gen are included in the cost of the GPU. AMD's frame gen is free. For example I got my 6000 series GPU before AMD had frame gen and now I have frame gen included in the drivers so I can use it on games I actually play instead of waiting for the developers to actually implement it into the game itself, AMD didn't make me have to get a new GPU for it.
Nvidia cards tend to cost more than AMD or Intel cards with similar performance so you are paying for DLSS.
There is a bit of the Nvidia feature set. But what mainly contributes to the higher cost of GeForce cards is simply because Nvidia can charge more. Nvidia has stronger brand recognicion and mindshare, so they can squeeze out more profit.
Am I happy this is the case? No. But it's the way things are
Nvidia also offers productivity like if u do content-creation,game dev or AI related work that's why Nvidia gpus are lil bit more expensive and Intel is alot new
Just can't see why anyone is calling it performance, and let's face nothing is for free when it comes to Nvidia
While I understand, DLSS is genuinely a great technology. I'm also glad to see even RTX 20 series owners get updates to it too.
However, DLSS is a double edged sword. Some developers seem to think it's a replacement for optimisation. When in reality, it isn't.
@@ProYamYamPC true it can be a good tool, I just see this new frame Gen as a smoothing tool as it still is not right enough even for a person like me, but AI is a way everyone is exploring, but if you make something easier then you open up the door to people that don't know what or how to use it properly, but all the cards aren't out yet and before I just say nope don't buy it, let me say to each their own, and if you got the cash and want then buy the 5090 , but this card much like the 4090 is a beast of a card I have to agree 💯👍 if you game then my personal opinion is buy this card if you game only at 4 k or games that just hammer the graphics card.
Also if you edit movie's at home or design actual photos from scratch you heard it right creating something from nothing but what you see in your mind or someone else's mind.
It has uses.
But not just a card for games 2 k or less, in a nutshell if you still got a 4090 then overclock it to a stable level, might not get to a 5090 level but you should be quite happy. You know 4080TI
Personally I don't like upscaling, especially when it's recommended to just run the game, like many devs and publishers are doing now.
That it looks better than native is relative, poor implementation of AA methods shouldn't justify it. I can see a lot of errors with upscaling, shimmering, frizzle, noise. All of this with CNN DLSS, can't comment about the new transformer model because I haven't tested personally, and youtube compression sucks to have a clear idea of how it really looks.
Can think of only to scenarios where upscaling is useful, to give old GPU's some extra life if you can't afford upgrading, and to lower power consumption and heat generation.
I totally agree with you. I hate how devs recommend using upscaling to hit certain performance targets, it's just lazy optimisation.
I like that we have DLSS though. As you say it gives old GPUs a fighting chance, which is great to see
@@ProYamYamPC I feel like DLSS was advertised as a tool to sorta give life to older/struggling graphics cards , if you are paying 2k for a graphics card i want to be able to run native res no funny bussines
Its a shame this video was ill timed considering the work you put into it. look forward to your thoughts on dlss4, very nice informative video, well done.
I know right, the timing wasn't the best I've ever managed. But I will be checking out the new transformer model DLSS 4 in the coming weeks!
No its not. its AI motion smoothing
DLSS suffers mostly with small details like grass and hair along with what are supposed to be transparent objects. Certainly there are games where it does honestly look a lot better like Cyberpunk and that's just the nature of it being Nvidias testbed for all things they wanna shove into their new cards. But then there are games like Alan Wake 2 or SH2 where due to both the engine and the implementation it just looks... bad really. Which is both a game and upscaler issue. Honestly unless you're getting sub 60 native there's no reason to turn it on and have worse visuals in most titles that are out there but if you really prefer fps to visuals then I'd say it can be a worthwhile thing to switch on.
Did you use the new Transformer model? The new Transformer model Performance is on par with the old Quality model.
I did all of my testing before they released the new transformer model. I will be taking a look at it when they roll it out in more games!
It is not free. It is for lose of picture quality.
I normally just use DLSS quality in games when it has the option, in cyberpunk I do use Balanced when I enable Path Tracing
it also heavily depends on the resolution you're playing at too. I play at 1440p so quality is honestly manageable and looks fine for the most part but when I was playing at 1080p turning on DLSS just made games look like a mess.
I use it quite often, especially in games where I want a higher refresh experience like Cyberpunk
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Looking forward to the new DLSS4 upscaler, are you gonna cover any of that when it comes out?
I will as soon as the new upscaler model releases on more games. I believe only Cyberpunk has it as of now
@@ProYamYamPC No, you can swap out the DLSS files for any DLSS title and use Nvidia Profile Inspector to force the J preset so it uses the new model. This video is out of date considering the upgrades. To say 'don't use performance' is completely wrong with the new model on par quality with the old CNN DLSS Quality model.
@@Valk-Kilmer Well, this is something I will be looking at soon
I love softwares to upscale because my gpu consumes lesser power after upscaling. I am able to achieve playable fps without upscaling but my gpu consumes 100watt lesser power after upscaling. So win win
For me personally if artifacts werent specifically pointed out i wouldnt be able to see them
It's fake performance fanboy
Fanboy? You must be new here🤣🤣
Depending on the resolution and the amount of upscaling you use, it looks pretty much identical to native res. I'm sure he already mentioned this in the video. I haven't watched it yet 😅
You've just picked up the buzzword from mfg reviews, DLSS 4 transformer model is legitimately a game changer