If they stayed one more year and won the cup the next year they wouldve probably still left 2-3 years later at most before the move the team was financially downhill for a few years and quebec city was the smallest market at the time when they were there. And for gaining new fans theyd have to compete with montreal who were more established in the province of quebec decades before the nordiques came around. And also some regional tv blackouts would play montreal games over quebec city even if you lived between both cites. Basically it was a “matter of if……but when.” The nordiques were gonna fold or move regardless……but winning the cup wouldve gave them the best chance of only prolonging it……id say off a “cup win” owners would still lose money and if they sold either way the new owners would move them anyway. Since colorados a bigger market but also Since at the time the canadian dollar was weakening on value and salaries of players were increasing. Basically factors in and outside the league were basically making it destined for the nordiques to fail once their financial issues started. That was it for quebec nordiques.
I've always wondered if Patrick Roy would have gone to the team after his relationship with the Canadiens soured if they had still been in Quebec City. He was a key piece of Colorado's cup win, and it's hard to know if he would have gone to the Nordiques due to how things ended with Montreal. Maybe he would have wanted to stick it to Montreal.
It's worth noting that the Oilers didn't have attendance problems until *after* Bud Adams announced he was leaving for Nashville. That's what caused the drop in the first place.
All too many sports team owners are happy counting their nickels in their respective league's cellars. The sad fact is, a perpetually mediocre team can be more profitable than a championship team.
@@russs7574 I had the Pittsburgh Pirates as one of the teams in mind when I made that post. The San Diego Padres are another. (In the main, San Diego has been done dirty by pro sports.)
You didn’t mention the city of Oakland has turned into a crime ridden drug infested hell hole!! California taxes are outrageous. Fast food restaurants are closing because of the crime. I don’t blame the owner for leaving
SecretBase talked about this in detail, but outside of Giants/Dodgers the A's move from Kansas City might have been the most consequential in MLB history. After the A's left Missouri's senator threated to pull the antitrust exemption unless KC got an expansion team (the Royals) within 2 years, which meant a second expansion team was needed to balance the league; the Seattle Mariners.
@@MazeDaGr8That’s true. Even if your team just started in one city that still didn’t mean anything especially in the case of the Seattle Pilots who were only there for one year and then moved to Milwaukee to become the Brewers.
Forgot Ravens & Browns that’s probably the most painful move ever. Since the Ravens became a team they have more wins over the Browns than any other team has over another team.
The Colts move to Indy in pretty much the exact same way too. The AL / MLB Browns also moved from St. Louis to Baltimore to rebrand as the O's in 54. So both MLB and NFL teams used to be the Browns lol
@@forgettablelisaArt Modell got envious when the Indians/Guardians moved to a new stadium and began winning. He also could not afford to build a stadium by his lonesome either.
@@scootscootriot1020 yeah not defending him, just pointing out why he was probably left out of this video. Guys like Kroenke and Fisher international nuked their own franchises just to have an excuse to relocate, Modell just said give me money or I’ll leave and wasn’t bluffing
You missed one: LYING to the fans, “Oh we aren’t moving” or “We’d never leave, we love it here” and “We’re the new owners from out of town, but the team is staying here.” (Seattle Sonics fans know this last one all too well.)
So do St. Louis Rams fans. Kroenke's henchmen kept telling the media in St. Louis that his purchase of land in Englewood was just him looking to develop land, like many other purchases before, and that the team was not moving.
Reminds me when Dana White got pissed off when the media were asking about the rumors of the sale of UFC, denying that there were on going negotiations, than a few days later they announced the sale.
The merry-go-round stopped at the wrong time for Seattle 16 years ago. Since then, the biggest NBA move was the Nets going from New Jersey to Brooklyn. The 16 previous years had 3 expansion teams, 2 permanent relocations, and 1 temporary relocation.
At the time,the Nordiques were Stanley Cup contenders,even finishing at the top of the Eastern Conference in their final season in Quebec. They were one or two pieces away from a Cup,and solved that by acquiring Patrick Roy and Claude Lemieux. They weren't trying to tank. Hell,they got an amazing return from trading Eric Lindros a few years earlier. This was the closest thing to an exception to the rule
They were experiencing financial troubles at the time and the weak Canadian Dollar also didn't help things either. Also, their new arena proposal was rejected and were basically left with no place else to turn.
Please god no. The Earthquakes have been playing there since the 70s just like the Vancouver Whitecaps up here in Canada. San Jose would be crushed if they were gone win or lose.
If that team moved, the Bay Area would be without an MLS team, which would be crazy. The league has worked to have a presence in all of the biggest metros. San Jose has plenty of money and people who like soccer. If you can't make money on a team in that market, it's not the market's fault, it's yours.
Not true. They are my neighbors and are selling off lots of lands and horses. Nashville is not going to give them any money and the Adams family has nowhere to go unless they want St Louis....
And every Nashvillian hates the fact that we have to foot the bill for this pathetic team when we have a housing crisis that our local leaders don't care about. We were a yard to short over 23 years ago and since then we have done nothing. Why do we need a new stadium that holds less seats and is only going to forcibly increase taxes around the area it's built. Never go to TN worst state in the union for most everything including pathetic political leaders.
As a European soccer fan, the main way owners can quickly get the supporters to hate them is to get the club relegated from the top flight & plunging down the divisions. Just ask Blackburn Rovers, Reading, Portsmouth, Sunderland & QPR fans (all clubs that were in the Premier League at some point in their histories) & many others how they feel about the owners that were in charge when their clubs began falling down the league pyramid. The other common way is to basically put the club on a path to financial ruin which often results in the above outcome since the club can't compete with the other clubs in the league both financially & on the pitch. Then there are owners especially at big clubs like Man United & Spurs who are hated for refusing to spend money to improve the team on the pitch (while spending tons on building a new stadium or sponsorship deals) or spending money on players who turn out to be flops. All of this is in addition to the tactics mentioned in the video, though relocating teams in European soccer is extremely rare (with MK Dons being the most notable one).
@@CincyRaz Tanking isn't even a thing over there. The whole point of relegation is that nobody wants to go down to the 2nd tier, but someone has to. Plus, it creates higher stakes for teams at the bottom of the table, rather than just saying, "Yeah, they suck; no point in watching them". For some teams, avoiding those bottom 3 spots in the league is their main goal because they don't have the same level of quality in their players to be consistently competing for the European competitions
The days of owners being fans of the game or commissioners that look to uphold the integrity of the game are long, long dead. They're all just people that view teams as a part of a portfolio of assets
I was at an A's game two weeks ago. Despite being the 50th anniversary of the 74 World Series win (complete with the surviving players attending), the fans still brought the "Sell the Team" posters. Good on 'em.
Clay Bennett, George Argyros, Jeff Smulyan, Ken Behring, and John Stanton are why Seattle suffers from Battered Fan Syndrome. And if you stop to look at it, Bennett's plan of action to pry the Sonics away from Seattle was basically the IRL version of "Major League", only missing Tom Berenger, Charlie Sheen, and the happy ending.
The Sonics were the one franchise in Seattle that had been consistently supported by the fans during their 40 years of existence but ended up being the one that moved. It was even more galling that their previous owner, Howard "Starbucks" Schultz, blindly sold the team to someone whose obvious goal was to move it out of Seattle. That's why I would never vote for him if he ever ran for political office. If he were to be elected president, he would likely sell Alaska back to the Russians and include everything on the West Coast north of San Francisco.
That's why I would never vote for Schultz if he ran for office. If he were ever president (which he once considered running for), he would probably give Alaska back to Russia and throw in everything down the Pacific Coast to San Francisco without Putin asking.
With the A’s the fans started getting disillusioned when the owners started trading away our home grown talent when it came time to pay them. Every time the fans got excited for a player that made the all star team the next year he was gone and then you want the fans to be happy and show up
imagine how many WS rings those easy to mid 2000s As could have had or at least played for if they would have kept those teams together..cheap ownership...well, at least we got a good movie about them out of it LOL
IMO, Billy Beane should be considered partially culpable as well. The decline of the moneyball A's started right around the time he was given an ownership share and got a vested interest in making profits rather than winning. Not sure how the league ever allowed that deal to go through.
Billy was definitely a shill for ownership. He never called them out, and often made really weird trades, like trading away Carlos Gonzalez and Huston Street for 2 months of Matt Holliday, or trading away Josh Donaldson for scraps after JD called out ownership on twitter a week prior.
Ho boy! I haven't watched the video, but with Kroenke on the title card I have to comment. I grew up as a St Louis Rams fan. Although I was a bit too young to truly appreciate the sport at the time I was always a huge Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk fan. I loved the Rams more than the Cardinals, Blues, etc. Even during the years of late 00s to the mid 2010s I was a huge Rams fan. One of my favorite Rams games was during 2011 after the Cardinals won the World Series. Rams had yet to win a single game that season and were facing the defending SB champ Saints at the EJD, with Bradford out and AJ Feely as the starting QB. Chris Carpenter came out for the coin toss and LaRussa was in the stands. Rams had a DOMINANT defensive game with Long, Quinn, Langford, and Stewart absolutely stepping up. Upset the Saints that game for their 1 of 2 wins that season. To say the move announcement hurt me was an understatement. It really, really hurt. Even so I just couldn't abandon the Rams. I love where the team is heading now and the team is incredibly fun to watch. Still though fuck Stan Kroenke for moving my team. And also fuck the Chiefs organization for not letting me bring in my "Kroenke Sucks" sign when the Rams came to Arrowhead.
Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf used the tactic of threatening to move the team to Florida if he didn't get a new ballpark and built with 130 million in taxpayers money and government subsidies.. barely 30 years later hes doing the exact same thing wanting 2 billion taxpayer dollars to build him another stadium even though the current ballpark is still in debt and being paid off by the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority.
And that park sucks. I remember when the upper deck was a 45 degree angle. I went to a game a few years ago and their are sales people EVERYWHERE in the stadium trying to sell you shit! Was bizzare. I almost caught a home run tho.
You didn't even go into Charlie O's shenanigans with the 70s A's that turned a threepeat WS champ into a smoking crater by the time the 80s rolled around.
Knew they'd smoke the Giants, really wish the Ravens had played that Rams team in SB 35, Greatest show on Turf vs that Ravens D, and inside that matchup: Marshall Faulk vs Ray Lewis.
See I get St Louis fans being mad that the Rams left them like they did, but let’s be real, the Rams are LA’s team. They were the first still active pro sports team in LA (they moved there in the 40s), and they’ve been in LA longer than they ever were in Cleveland or St. Louis. Like you said the Rams should have never even BEEN in St Louis to begin with. Them going back to LA was the right move, cause that’s where they belong. I say all of this as a Seahawks fan too, so I don’t have any attachment to the Rams.
@@benclemens5311 I’m a native St. Louisan and agree. The Rams should have never come to STL. At the time, the late great sportscaster, Jack Buck, also was in favor of obtaining an NFL expansion team, rather than the Rams. STL should have received a team rather than Carolina or Jacksonville, but the STL politicians and the potential STL ownership group couldn’t get their act together at the time CAR and JAX were awarded teams. Well, at least STL politicians were ineffective back in the early 1990’s. Now they’re far worse and they’re totally toxic in 2024.
I'm surprised that the White Sox aren't mentioned giving what Jerry is doing to the team. Hell, he's also doing the same thing with his Bulls but not to the same extent as the White Sox.
Had similar thoughts, but isn't it worse with the Bulls? Its hard to say, but since 2000 the White Sox at least won a WS, while the Bulls only smelled the playoffs a few times. Such a shame, Chicago deserves better.
Fun fact: Meruillo didn't move the Coyotes, he didn't pay taxes for the arena in Glendale, so Glendale evicted the team and now the state has blocked the NHL from reviving the franchise Also, the Rams took FIVE years in St Louis to win a Super Bowl, they had a losing record in St Louis from 1995 to 1997 when Trent Green came along and made the team relevant before getting injured and replaced by a grocery store worker from Iowa
It’s amazing he did it twice with two teams that were losing a lot. I mean, I guess he didn’t quite “do it” in Arizona, but sometimes I like to imagine that that game ended with Fitzgerald streaking into the end zone… And I’m not even a Cardinals fan. (Except for those years) But back to the bag boy and reviving nearly dead franchises: makes me wonder what the heck was wrong with the Giants.
@@extragoogleaccount6061The Giants invested in Eli Manning with that top pick in '04. Warner was cookin' that year but was inexplicably benched for Eli the balance of 2004. Granted, all's well that ends well, but it was perplexing at the time
Would be nice that sports leagues who are given an anti trust exemption couldn't play home games in a stadium that was publicly funded, that would really close up teams relocating
Doing anything but praising the ground a remotely "Jewish" person, even if they've literally never practiced the religion is "antisemitism". It's a shitty shitty timeline out there right now.
@@kenosabiUnfortunately we’re living in a world now where everything is offensive. If there was a black woman who was Jewish and a lesbian as a sports team owner who did a terrible job and got criticized for it, then she would get defended like there was no tomorrow and then critics would be called racist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic all in one.
Coyotes problem is a bit more complicated, tbf, that team need a relocation long time ago with numerous arena switches and ownership changes. They weren't never really anywhere close to be a good team, their fans are actually quite devoted despite of bad products and long drive, it was a disaster from the get-go. Another interesting situation is with Edmonton Oilers, owner wants permit to build a new stadium with his own money, city council being bunch of greedy a-s and decided to "chip in" for the project, suddenly the development jumped for more than doubled which is way over owner's budget, two sides stand off, owner threat to relocate, city called his bluff, eventually two side settled to pay the gap with "future payments".
Maybe do a retrospective of the original scumbag owner, Harold Ballard. Imagine an owner telling the fans that the only thing he cared about was making money, winning be damned.
Be like Cleveland, if you lose your team, immediately riot in the stadium, pass the stadium tax anyway, and basically force the NFL to give you an expansion team.
Funn how nobody wants to acknowledge that the Rams in LA first. A whole generation of fans grew up without football. Georgia frontier a st louis native. Move the Rams to anheim deliberatly to alienate the fans and then started losing. That way, she could move the team to st louis.
I remember when the colts snuck out of Baltimore in the middle of the night 😂 crazy shit. Baseball having 162 games a year at what turned me away from baseball everyday baseball baseball baseball. I love my NFL but a couple games a week is enough it leaves you wanting more.
The Rams are on their fourth major move, Cleveland to LA to St. Louis to LA, but their move from Los Angeles to Anaheim directly led to three more franchise moves, and two-ish more indirectly. When the Rams left the LA Coliseum for Anaheim Stadium,the Oakland Raiders moved to LA(1), who were then lured back to Oakland(2), and then left for Las Vegas(3). Oakland agreed to renovate the Oakland Coliseum for the Raiders, which made it terrible for baseball, which contributed to the A’s moving to Las Vegas(4). A’s will play in Sacramento(5-ish) while they wait for the stadium to be built in Las Vegas, which might not pan out, and could then move to another market like Salt Lake City. Of course we’ll have to see how many other franchises move come from the A’s taking up temporary residency in Sacramento, or the Coyotes moving to Utah.
Worst part is Oakland and Alameda County are STILL paying off those renovations until 2028. Fisher and Mark Davis wanted free new stadiums even with the old one not paid off yet
With the North Stars/Wild (and also Browns 2.0, Texans, and BobcatHornets), he should have explained the other side to a team moving: >Team loses a lot >city refuses to spend taxpayer dollars for a new stadium >team moves >moved team is immediately successful >city that lost a team spends EVEN MORE tax dollars for a new arena for a team they might or might not get (for the latter, see: Kansas City, Quebec City) >new team is EVEN WORSE than the team that left in their dying years
Thank you for including Phil Castellini in this. The audio of him saying, "Where ya gonna go?" is even more infuriating than reading it. That statement turned me from a season ticket holder into someone who hasn't gone to a game in 3 years. I wish him a charlie horse every day he wakes up.
As a fan of St. Louis sports, thank you for featuring Stan Kroenke as an absolute scumbag of an owner. That city has had it's heart broken twice by the NFL.
@@geneseofootball1915 St Louis did a lot for that team. Kroenke used the stadium as an excuse. Like the video says he left and built a new stadium on his own in LA. If he had put the same effort into the team there, the city would have been loyal. But it was obvious he was leaving and they knew the signs already. Let’s see how loyal LA fans stay when the team tanks.
Kroenke brought my team back home. Losing my beloved Rams to St Louis was one of the most traumatic things to happen in my life, and I suffered for 21 years, knowing they would eventually come home. Nobody ever believed me, but I went on and on about it for all of those years. Kroenke made it happen and I am grateful to him for that. And I got a super Bowl as a bonus. Sorry for you St Louis people, but you took them from us and you werent sorry. Anyway, as far as Im concerned your team is the Cardinals, not my Rams
Many Rams fans consider Georgia Frontiere as the true "absolute scumbag of an owner". She moved the Rams not once, but twice for heavy "incentives" both times. This was after she inherited the team and a massive fortune from her elderly husband, her 6th husband, who died in "mysterious circumstances". She also changed the iconic uniforms and colors of the team, to the drab uninspired look they used in St Louis. Kroenke simply returned the team to it's home of 50 years, St Louis fans really ought to be more mad about the Cardinals leaving before, they were there for longer than the Rams ever were. Perhaps football might work in St Louis if they get an expansion team, rather than bribing existing teams to move there.
St. Louis stole the Rams from Los Angeles. The Rams were in California since the 1930's. Georgia screw Southern California and moved them over for a few dollars. St. Louis can get a D**k. The Cardinals left that clown show city, too. Enjoy your baseball team.
I remember as an Astros fans a couple of years where the A’s were the biggest thorn in our side in the div. They always found a way to play us tough and win quite often, even in our best years. There was absolutely no reason for them to go as bad as they have, they built strong teams that I didn’t want my team to have to play in a playoff series.
@@SkunkApe407The Rays used to be in that purgatory a long time ago but as if by magic they started playing a lot better and have actually been a good team since they changed from the Devil Rays.
@@SkunkApe407 I’m a Braves fan but I can’t think of too many other teams that have had instant success after a simple name change like the Rays have done.
Another point to mention is that having a sports team in your city is not financially advantageous. Owners get money, tax incentives and most if not all of the concessions and merch money. A few low paid jobs at the stadium don't add much, and the idea that bars and restaurants benefit is highly overblown. Fans don't go to bars to watch a team just because that team plays in that city. That money has to come from somewhere, so it is of course from cutting programs and services.
When you learn the Rams' owner owned all the land surrounding where the new stadium in LA would be built, all the land that would be used for bars and restaurants etc. that large crowds of people visit before and after games, it becomes extremely obvious the real reason the team moved. He's a real-estate mogul, and he bought an NFL team to increase the value of his real-estate.
Yes, the Brooklyn Dodgers, who went to the World Series in 1947, 1949, 1952, 1953, 1955, and 1956, suddenly became a winning team when they moved to LA after the 1957 season.
You forgot the HIllbilly Prince Bob Nutting and the Pittsburgh Pirates. If it weren't for the Lakers, the Pirates would be the worst run franchise in sports. Hey Bob, thanks for Nutting.
...and people are now shocked that my generation doesnt trust and actively distrusts rich people. Blaming the fans is just an easily ridiculable move by ownership. The long term reality though is that fans just stop being fans. People stop caring and spending money.
Professional sports have become teams owned by billionaires, that play games for millionaire fans (the only people who can afford the tickets). But, they want the working class taxpayers to subsidize their fun with money for new stadiums.
The fact that billionaire owners use there leverage to scrape whatever is left over in tax revenue to build stadiums that they could easily build for chump change makes me so angry. Fuck you sports team owners, tax money should be spent on things which have actual societal value, (i.e. social security, police, fire departments, education, public transport, critical infrastructure projects, criminal rehabilitation)
There is a reason why I have soured on major pro sports of ANY sort. Scumbag owners have ruined it for me. I hang on to the NHL because at least the quality of play there hasn't declined … yet.
To be fair to the Oakland A’s fans, no one wants to go to the Colosseum. If you know about the Oakland Colosseum, it is literally in the middle of the hood ( well to be fair all of Oakland is the hood) but the Colosseum is in the middle of the worst area of the hood which is East Oakland and a lot of prostitution, killing, and drug dealing happen very often In that area. it’s very comparable to southside Chicago at its peak so no one really feels safe going to a’s games plus the stadium is very shitty too especially when you can take a 20 minute Car ride or a 30 minute train ride to the giants stadium which is downtown San Francisco with a lot more amenities, safety protocols, and a better view of the bay than the Colosseum
Speaking of the A's, there was an exception when they moved to Kansas City because basically every year they had there was a losing season but as soon as they moved to Oakland in 1968 they started winning and then in the early '70s from 1972 to 1974 they won the World Series 3 years in a row. So initially when they moved from Philadelphia to Kansas City they didn't prove your trend but then when they moved to Oakland they did prove your trend and did prove that a team that moves starts winning when they move their new location. One thing that's kind of annoying about the A's is that I remember hearing a rumor back in 2005 that they would move to Las Vegas That is if Reggie Jackson bought the team which he didn't by the team it was Lou Wolf and he said he would not move the team but then in 2006 he said he wanted to move the team to Fremont which actually would not have been a bad move because that would have been a short drive from Oakland to get there however the population is way smaller there at about 200,000 which is still a big population but kind of small for a sports team, and then they talked about moving down to San Jose which believe it or not even though San Francisco is the first city people think of when it comes to the Bay Area, San Jose is actually the most populated city in the Bay Area and they have been for decades even back then, but the dumbest thing ever prevented the A's from moving down to San Jose and that was the fact that the San Francisco Giants had an a-ball minor league team there called the San Jose Giants and somehow that was enough for the Giants to force them to not be allowed to move there even though it was a minimal a-ball minor league team. As someone who's been in the Bay Area my whole life all those specifically I'm in the North Bay and in wine country so I'm an hour north of San Francisco and an hour northwest of Oakland and also 2 hours north of San Jose, I actually would not have minded the A's moving to San Jose. Yes the drive would have been an extra hour but I would have been okay with it. My wife and I love going to San Jose Sharks games especially back in the late 2010s when they were so good and our first hockey game was in fact that playoff game when the Sharks dominated the Ducks 8 - 1.
Don't get why the Bills even got a mention here. The team and owner never mentioned relocating. The Bills owners are from Buffalo. The team owners have other interests in Buffalo. And the owners bought the team campaigning specifically that they were the one buyer who wouldn't relocate the team. Relocation talk with the Bills was all generated by the league office who wanted more free money and the media who just assumed. The team and owners have been quiet
Trevor Bauer is outlawed from MLB as far as I can tell. Does that make the whole league scumbags? I sure hope he says "fuck you" and stays out of the league forever.
Bud Adams must have been playing the long game with the Oilers, because, with a brief exception, they were mediocre for decades. They were so bad that they were used as a punch line on Mary Tyler Moore when Ted Baxter used them as a euphemism for an easy lay.
Ah yes, but if you’re the White Sox you will continue to gas light us, threaten to move to Nashville and not do it and blame the city and fans for not building Jerry a new stadium…
There's a RUclips video out there of a basically empty Oakland Coliseum, and an usher tells the only two fans sitting in an *entire section* that he needs to check their tickets. You can't make this stuff up.
no, he was a scumbag because he told the fans he wouldnt move the team..then did just that...if he had just been honest and said "hey, I want to move the Rams back to LA" then hed at least be respected...hed still be hated, but respected for his honesty at least
The Atlanta thrashers owners (Atlanta spirit) are peak of terrible owners. Intentionally tanked the franchise because they didn’t want them in the first place
Then you have the opposite the rare time when you have a new ownership that keeps the team there and get a new stadium and win it all like the bucks but im still waiting for the brewers to win it all but im not going to hold my breath
Never forget the Colorado Avalanche winning the cup in their first year after leaving Quebec!
If they stayed one more year and won the cup the next year they wouldve probably still left 2-3 years later at most before the move the team was financially downhill for a few years and quebec city was the smallest market at the time when they were there. And for gaining new fans theyd have to compete with montreal who were more established in the province of quebec decades before the nordiques came around. And also some regional tv blackouts would play montreal games over quebec city even if you lived between both cites. Basically it was a “matter of if……but when.” The nordiques were gonna fold or move regardless……but winning the cup wouldve gave them the best chance of only prolonging it……id say off a “cup win” owners would still lose money and if they sold either way the new owners would move them anyway. Since colorados a bigger market but also Since at the time the canadian dollar was weakening on value and salaries of players were increasing. Basically factors in and outside the league were basically making it destined for the nordiques to fail once their financial issues started. That was it for quebec nordiques.
@@calebkent6706 thats after they got patrick roy
I've always wondered if Patrick Roy would have gone to the team after his relationship with the Canadiens soured if they had still been in Quebec City. He was a key piece of Colorado's cup win, and it's hard to know if he would have gone to the Nordiques due to how things ended with Montreal. Maybe he would have wanted to stick it to Montreal.
I am not a hockey fan, but I freaking loved the Wings v. 'lanche rivalry. I loved hating Roy (roi) and claude. So it all worked out great for me.
@@calebkent6706Roy would not have joined
It's worth noting that the Oilers didn't have attendance problems until *after* Bud Adams announced he was leaving for Nashville. That's what caused the drop in the first place.
For the A's, a major issue is that their stadium (Oakland Coliseum) is terrible and is located near one of the best stadia in the MLB (Oracle Park).
All too many sports team owners are happy counting their nickels in their respective league's cellars. The sad fact is, a perpetually mediocre team can be more profitable than a championship team.
Just ask us Pirates fans.
@@russs7574 I had the Pittsburgh Pirates as one of the teams in mind when I made that post. The San Diego Padres are another. (In the main, San Diego has been done dirty by pro sports.)
You didn’t mention the city of Oakland has turned into a crime ridden drug infested hell hole!! California taxes are outrageous. Fast food restaurants are closing because of the crime. I don’t blame the owner for leaving
Oakland has a crime problem, but plenty of other big cities in the US have worse crime problems.
I don’t see the cardinals trying to leave st louis, or the orioles trying to leave baltimore. Crime rates have never been a factor in any of this.
Hang on - Al Davis was not a Scumbag owner - Nor is Mark. They are a 100% football Family. AND we've retained FAR more fans than ANY relocators.
“Remember the A’s used to be in Philadelphia”… before they moved to Kansas City and then moved to Oakland and are about to move to Las Vegas 😂
Well back than, baseball teams were changing cities like businessmen change suits
The A’s have had more marriages than a soap opera character.
The A's leaving Philadelphia made perfect sense to be fair.
SecretBase talked about this in detail, but outside of Giants/Dodgers the A's move from Kansas City might have been the most consequential in MLB history. After the A's left Missouri's senator threated to pull the antitrust exemption unless KC got an expansion team (the Royals) within 2 years, which meant a second expansion team was needed to balance the league; the Seattle Mariners.
@@MazeDaGr8That’s true. Even if your team just started in one city that still didn’t mean anything especially in the case of the Seattle Pilots who were only there for one year and then moved to Milwaukee to become the Brewers.
My favorite is when billionaires beg regular people to pay for a stadium they then can’t afford to enter.
Forgot Ravens & Browns that’s probably the most painful move ever. Since the Ravens became a team they have more wins over the Browns than any other team has over another team.
The Colts move to Indy in pretty much the exact same way too.
The AL / MLB Browns also moved from St. Louis to Baltimore to rebrand as the O's in 54. So both MLB and NFL teams used to be the Browns lol
Those Browns fans that followed to Baltimore are laughing right now
That one doesn't really fit this video just because he didn't intentionally tank the team for years in advance to justify the move
@@forgettablelisaArt Modell got envious when the Indians/Guardians moved to a new stadium and began winning. He also could not afford to build a stadium by his lonesome either.
@@scootscootriot1020 yeah not defending him, just pointing out why he was probably left out of this video. Guys like Kroenke and Fisher international nuked their own franchises just to have an excuse to relocate, Modell just said give me money or I’ll leave and wasn’t bluffing
You missed one: LYING to the fans, “Oh we aren’t moving” or “We’d never leave, we love it here” and “We’re the new owners from out of town, but the team is staying here.” (Seattle Sonics fans know this last one all too well.)
Thats a good one
So do St. Louis Rams fans. Kroenke's henchmen kept telling the media in St. Louis that his purchase of land in Englewood was just him looking to develop land, like many other purchases before, and that the team was not moving.
Reminds me when Dana White got pissed off when the media were asking about the rumors of the sale of UFC, denying that there were on going negotiations, than a few days later they announced the sale.
Baltimore Colts fans knew that one all too well.
The merry-go-round stopped at the wrong time for Seattle 16 years ago. Since then, the biggest NBA move was the Nets going from New Jersey to Brooklyn. The 16 previous years had 3 expansion teams, 2 permanent relocations, and 1 temporary relocation.
Surprised no mention of the Nordiques moving to Colorado and immediately winning the Stanley Cup.
At the time,the Nordiques were Stanley Cup contenders,even finishing at the top of the Eastern Conference in their final season in Quebec. They were one or two pieces away from a Cup,and solved that by acquiring Patrick Roy and Claude Lemieux. They weren't trying to tank. Hell,they got an amazing return from trading Eric Lindros a few years earlier. This was the closest thing to an exception to the rule
They were experiencing financial troubles at the time and the weak Canadian Dollar also didn't help things either. Also, their new arena proposal was rejected and were basically left with no place else to turn.
@@MisledDan canadian taxes too
@@henrymanzano2201they wouldn’t have joined and stayed for long if it was still Quebec
Don’t forget that Fisher also owns the MLS team the San Jose Earthquakes and he’s already talking about moving them out of the city! Same old story 🥲
Please god no. The Earthquakes have been playing there since the 70s just like the Vancouver Whitecaps up here in Canada. San Jose would be crushed if they were gone win or lose.
If that team moved, the Bay Area would be without an MLS team, which would be crazy. The league has worked to have a presence in all of the biggest metros. San Jose has plenty of money and people who like soccer. If you can't make money on a team in that market, it's not the market's fault, it's yours.
Austin Precourt NEARLY moved the Columbus Crew to Austin
Nashville is getting fisted by Titans ownership. Imagine having to pay for the most forgettable team in football to go 8-9 forever
Not true. They are my neighbors and are selling off lots of lands and horses. Nashville is not going to give them any money and the Adams family has nowhere to go unless they want St Louis....
@@RipliWitanithey’re building a brand new, super expensive stadium in nashville. already confirmed. over 1 billion in subsidies.
And every Nashvillian hates the fact that we have to foot the bill for this pathetic team when we have a housing crisis that our local leaders don't care about. We were a yard to short over 23 years ago and since then we have done nothing. Why do we need a new stadium that holds less seats and is only going to forcibly increase taxes around the area it's built. Never go to TN worst state in the union for most everything including pathetic political leaders.
I pay taxes in Phoenix. Please trade the Adam's for the Bidwills. Cardinals are a joke. Bidwills are awful.
Found Jrob’s burner account.
Calling Oakland Coloseum shite is like calling Mariana's Trench deep. A wonderully vague statement, but its all in the details.
It used to be a good place to watch a ballgame before Mt. Davis was erected.
As a European soccer fan, the main way owners can quickly get the supporters to hate them is to get the club relegated from the top flight & plunging down the divisions. Just ask Blackburn Rovers, Reading, Portsmouth, Sunderland & QPR fans (all clubs that were in the Premier League at some point in their histories) & many others how they feel about the owners that were in charge when their clubs began falling down the league pyramid. The other common way is to basically put the club on a path to financial ruin which often results in the above outcome since the club can't compete with the other clubs in the league both financially & on the pitch. Then there are owners especially at big clubs like Man United & Spurs who are hated for refusing to spend money to improve the team on the pitch (while spending tons on building a new stadium or sponsorship deals) or spending money on players who turn out to be flops. All of this is in addition to the tactics mentioned in the video, though relocating teams in European soccer is extremely rare (with MK Dons being the most notable one).
So you say teams relocating in Europe is rare? What is the goal of tanking their clubs and relegation then? Save money?
@@CincyRaz Tanking isn't even a thing over there. The whole point of relegation is that nobody wants to go down to the 2nd tier, but someone has to. Plus, it creates higher stakes for teams at the bottom of the table, rather than just saying, "Yeah, they suck; no point in watching them". For some teams, avoiding those bottom 3 spots in the league is their main goal because they don't have the same level of quality in their players to be consistently competing for the European competitions
I would much rather see my team get relegated than move to a different city.
The days of owners being fans of the game or commissioners that look to uphold the integrity of the game are long, long dead. They're all just people that view teams as a part of a portfolio of assets
we'll never have another pete rozelle
The number of people that fall for this trick everytime is astounding…
I was at an A's game two weeks ago. Despite being the 50th anniversary of the 74 World Series win (complete with the surviving players attending), the fans still brought the "Sell the Team" posters. Good on 'em.
Clay Bennett, George Argyros, Jeff Smulyan, Ken Behring, and John Stanton are why Seattle suffers from Battered Fan Syndrome. And if you stop to look at it, Bennett's plan of action to pry the Sonics away from Seattle was basically the IRL version of "Major League", only missing Tom Berenger, Charlie Sheen, and the happy ending.
The Sonics were the one franchise in Seattle that had been consistently supported by the fans during their 40 years of existence but ended up being the one that moved. It was even more galling that their previous owner, Howard "Starbucks" Schultz, blindly sold the team to someone whose obvious goal was to move it out of Seattle. That's why I would never vote for him if he ever ran for political office. If he were to be elected president, he would likely sell Alaska back to the Russians and include everything on the West Coast north of San Francisco.
@@lawman592 Howard Schultz really ran the Sonics into the ground, and made them easy pickings for Clay Bennett to pick them up and move them to OKC.
That's why I would never vote for Schultz if he ran for office. If he were ever president (which he once considered running for), he would probably give Alaska back to Russia and throw in everything down the Pacific Coast to San Francisco without Putin asking.
With the A’s the fans started getting disillusioned when the owners started trading away our home grown talent when it came time to pay them. Every time the fans got excited for a player that made the all star team the next year he was gone and then you want the fans to be happy and show up
imagine how many WS rings those easy to mid 2000s As could have had or at least played for if they would have kept those teams together..cheap ownership...well, at least we got a good movie about them out of it LOL
I remember as a kid they traded Canseco while he was on deck, literally. Unfortunately the A's have had terrible ownership since the Haas family sold
IMO, Billy Beane should be considered partially culpable as well. The decline of the moneyball A's started right around the time he was given an ownership share and got a vested interest in making profits rather than winning. Not sure how the league ever allowed that deal to go through.
moneyball and the core 9
Billy was definitely a shill for ownership. He never called them out, and often made really weird trades, like trading away Carlos Gonzalez and Huston Street for 2 months of Matt Holliday, or trading away Josh Donaldson for scraps after JD called out ownership on twitter a week prior.
Ho boy! I haven't watched the video, but with Kroenke on the title card I have to comment. I grew up as a St Louis Rams fan. Although I was a bit too young to truly appreciate the sport at the time I was always a huge Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk fan. I loved the Rams more than the Cardinals, Blues, etc. Even during the years of late 00s to the mid 2010s I was a huge Rams fan. One of my favorite Rams games was during 2011 after the Cardinals won the World Series. Rams had yet to win a single game that season and were facing the defending SB champ Saints at the EJD, with Bradford out and AJ Feely as the starting QB. Chris Carpenter came out for the coin toss and LaRussa was in the stands. Rams had a DOMINANT defensive game with Long, Quinn, Langford, and Stewart absolutely stepping up. Upset the Saints that game for their 1 of 2 wins that season.
To say the move announcement hurt me was an understatement. It really, really hurt. Even so I just couldn't abandon the Rams. I love where the team is heading now and the team is incredibly fun to watch. Still though fuck Stan Kroenke for moving my team. And also fuck the Chiefs organization for not letting me bring in my "Kroenke Sucks" sign when the Rams came to Arrowhead.
"Win immediately"
Hey, Raiders, you missed a step.
right..cause theyve moved like twice in the last 30 years and never won LOL
"This guy here is dead! Cross him off then" 😂😂😂
Classic movie
@@crazeverseben7583what movie is it??
Major League
The first time the Raiders moved to LA they'd won a Super Bowl just two years earlier. I have no idea what point I'm trying to make with this.
They did but Al moved em cause they wouldn't give land for a new stadium. L.A. did the same thing.
Almost as if the raiders were capable of winning a championship the whole time but decided not to till they left Oakland lol
@@savage751 Huh? The Raiders won more championships in Oakland than they did in LA. They were contenders pretty much the entire 1970s.
@@shaunnichols1743 he didn't read (or couldn't read) the first comment.
That falls under the Win Immediately heading. But then again, it's not like the original Oakland club was trash at that point in time
Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf used the tactic of threatening to move the team to Florida if he didn't get a new ballpark and built with 130 million in taxpayers money and government subsidies.. barely 30 years later hes doing the exact same thing wanting 2 billion taxpayer dollars to build him another stadium even though the current ballpark is still in debt and being paid off by the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority.
And that park sucks. I remember when the upper deck was a 45 degree angle. I went to a game a few years ago and their are sales people EVERYWHERE in the stadium trying to sell you shit! Was bizzare. I almost caught a home run tho.
You didn't even go into Charlie O's shenanigans with the 70s A's that turned a threepeat WS champ into a smoking crater by the time the 80s rolled around.
Basically describing the plot to the movie “Major League” lol
You forgot the best example of relocate and win immediately, the Ravens.
They beat the crap out of the giants in super Bowl 35 so he didn't want to relive that game
Knew they'd smoke the Giants, really wish the Ravens had played that Rams team in SB 35, Greatest show on Turf vs that Ravens D, and inside that matchup: Marshall Faulk vs Ray Lewis.
Georgia Rosenbloom did the same thing to Anaheim with the Rams when she went to STL.
See I get St Louis fans being mad that the Rams left them like they did, but let’s be real, the Rams are LA’s team. They were the first still active pro sports team in LA (they moved there in the 40s), and they’ve been in LA longer than they ever were in Cleveland or St. Louis. Like you said the Rams should have never even BEEN in St Louis to begin with. Them going back to LA was the right move, cause that’s where they belong. I say all of this as a Seahawks fan too, so I don’t have any attachment to the Rams.
@@benclemens5311 you Effin nailed it. The La Rams were stolen by that bitch Georgia Rosenbloom, and she probably had CR killed by the MOB.
@@benclemens5311 I’m a native St. Louisan and agree. The Rams should have never come to STL. At the time, the late great sportscaster, Jack Buck, also was in favor of obtaining an NFL expansion team, rather than the Rams. STL should have received a team rather than Carolina or Jacksonville, but the STL politicians and the potential STL ownership group couldn’t get their act together at the time CAR and JAX were awarded teams.
Well, at least STL politicians were ineffective back in the early 1990’s. Now they’re far worse and they’re totally toxic in 2024.
I'm surprised that the White Sox aren't mentioned giving what Jerry is doing to the team. Hell, he's also doing the same thing with his Bulls but not to the same extent as the White Sox.
Had similar thoughts, but isn't it worse with the Bulls? Its hard to say, but since 2000 the White Sox at least won a WS, while the Bulls only smelled the playoffs a few times. Such a shame, Chicago deserves better.
#5 - There's also the Quebec Nordiques moving to Colorado and immediately winning the Cup.
There a RUclips video out that talk about the late Rams owner Carroll Rosenbloom dealing with the Mobs back in the70's
SAY HIS NAME!! Jerry Reinsdorf! 🤬 except he’s not even smart enough to do the playbook right.
Fun fact: Meruillo didn't move the Coyotes, he didn't pay taxes for the arena in Glendale, so Glendale evicted the team and now the state has blocked the NHL from reviving the franchise
Also, the Rams took FIVE years in St Louis to win a Super Bowl, they had a losing record in St Louis from 1995 to 1997 when Trent Green came along and made the team relevant before getting injured and replaced by a grocery store worker from Iowa
That bag boy never has to buy his own beer in Arizona again 🥲
It’s amazing he did it twice with two teams that were losing a lot. I mean, I guess he didn’t quite “do it” in Arizona, but sometimes I like to imagine that that game ended with Fitzgerald streaking into the end zone…
And I’m not even a Cardinals fan. (Except for those years) But back to the bag boy and reviving nearly dead franchises: makes me wonder what the heck was wrong with the Giants.
@@extragoogleaccount6061i mean he was there to mentor a young eli manning. they eventually turned it around.
@@extragoogleaccount6061The Giants invested in Eli Manning with that top pick in '04. Warner was cookin' that year but was inexplicably benched for Eli the balance of 2004. Granted, all's well that ends well, but it was perplexing at the time
Would be nice that sports leagues who are given an anti trust exemption couldn't play home games in a stadium that was publicly funded, that would really close up teams relocating
Forgot to mention Jerry Reinsdorf on how little he invests on the Bulls and White Sox and keeps people are for WAY too long that don’t do shit!
Don't forget, the Stars won a cup within a decade after moving from MN. Great scumbag owner move there as well...
Arizona Coyotes mentioned 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I think they inspired this video.
If I've learned anything over the past year and a half from corporate news stations, it's that criticizing John Fisher is antisemitism.
Doing anything but praising the ground a remotely "Jewish" person, even if they've literally never practiced the religion is "antisemitism". It's a shitty shitty timeline out there right now.
@@kenosabiUnfortunately we’re living in a world now where everything is offensive. If there was a black woman who was Jewish and a lesbian as a sports team owner who did a terrible job and got criticized for it, then she would get defended like there was no tomorrow and then critics would be called racist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic all in one.
Where do you live? I live in San Francisco and never heard that.
No. I'm Jewish and John Fisher sucks.
@@EthanRKasselHello Rabbi Foreskinstealer 👋
10:04 the Dallas Stars also won a cup almost immediately after they moved from Minnesota
Not to mention the avalanche who won in their first year in Colorado
Coyotes problem is a bit more complicated, tbf, that team need a relocation long time ago with numerous arena switches and ownership changes. They weren't never really anywhere close to be a good team, their fans are actually quite devoted despite of bad products and long drive, it was a disaster from the get-go.
Another interesting situation is with Edmonton Oilers, owner wants permit to build a new stadium with his own money, city council being bunch of greedy a-s and decided to "chip in" for the project, suddenly the development jumped for more than doubled which is way over owner's budget, two sides stand off, owner threat to relocate, city called his bluff, eventually two side settled to pay the gap with "future payments".
0:57 Your dog making a cameo appearance haha
“But they won’t say no to our stadium….. because of the implication”
Hartford Whalers left since they didn't have enough fans as they were between Devils/Rangers/Islanders/Bruins territory. Not really an owner thing.
“Alimony for an ex who did all the cheating.” Ahh, the Clarkson-Blackstock Principle. Very nice.
Maybe do a retrospective of the original scumbag owner, Harold Ballard. Imagine an owner telling the fans that the only thing he cared about was making money, winning be damned.
Single handily destroyed the leafs
@@cohengamertv6548 Yeah, I lived through that nightmare.
And the Leafs fans filled Maple Leaf Gardens for the rest of Ballard's life and beyond. And even before Ballard got complete control, MLG was full.
@@BunnEFartz and also ran a child sex trafficking ring in the basement of maple leaf gardens
On top of being child predator who built an entire sex trafficking ring of underage boys for himself with said money.
This is why I pirate or steam sports. If they actually gave us what we wanted. They would have infinite money...
Yeah, steaming prevents wrinkles.
Be like Cleveland, if you lose your team, immediately riot in the stadium, pass the stadium tax anyway, and basically force the NFL to give you an expansion team.
Funn how nobody wants to acknowledge that the Rams in LA first. A whole generation of fans grew up without football. Georgia frontier a st louis native. Move the Rams to anheim deliberatly to alienate the fans and then started losing. That way, she could move the team to st louis.
TWO teams. LA lost TWO teams at the exact same time
@DODGERBLUE55 well the raiders were never truly la. They just came here to get a stadium. And it never happened so they went back.
When the chiefs owner tried to get half a billion dollars out of tax payers and everyone was like nah bro we good you can leave if you want 😂
I remember when the colts snuck out of Baltimore in the middle of the night 😂 crazy shit. Baseball having 162 games a year at what turned me away from baseball everyday baseball baseball baseball. I love my NFL but a couple games a week is enough it leaves you wanting more.
RIP Coyotes
The Rams are on their fourth major move, Cleveland to LA to St. Louis to LA, but their move from Los Angeles to Anaheim directly led to three more franchise moves, and two-ish more indirectly. When the Rams left the LA Coliseum for Anaheim Stadium,the Oakland Raiders moved to LA(1), who were then lured back to Oakland(2), and then left for Las Vegas(3). Oakland agreed to renovate the Oakland Coliseum for the Raiders, which made it terrible for baseball, which contributed to the A’s moving to Las Vegas(4). A’s will play in Sacramento(5-ish) while they wait for the stadium to be built in Las Vegas, which might not pan out, and could then move to another market like Salt Lake City.
Of course we’ll have to see how many other franchises move come from the A’s taking up temporary residency in Sacramento, or the Coyotes moving to Utah.
there's actually rumor's going around that MLB might just contract the A's if they can't get their shit straight.
Worst part is Oakland and Alameda County are STILL paying off those renovations until 2028. Fisher and Mark Davis wanted free new stadiums even with the old one not paid off yet
Billionaire owners love spending tax payer dollars
It does leave me heartbroken that the A's moved from Philadelphia, PA to Kansas City, MO and to Oakland, CA.
Never seen your face before this vid. Not what I thought you'd look like, but def not bad by any means. Man is a DSWLF.
Oh, we in Alameda County are still playing for the improvements when the Raiders moved back in 1995.
At times like this, I sure am glad I'm a Packer fan.
Just one?
RIP the good owners like Paul Allen and Mike Illitch.
I def miss Paul Allen as a Seahawks blazers fan
Why no mention of the Mn North Stars? That owner is a dick for what he pulled.
With the North Stars/Wild (and also Browns 2.0, Texans, and BobcatHornets), he should have explained the other side to a team moving:
>Team loses a lot
>city refuses to spend taxpayer dollars for a new stadium
>team moves
>moved team is immediately successful
>city that lost a team spends EVEN MORE tax dollars for a new arena for a team they might or might not get (for the latter, see: Kansas City, Quebec City)
>new team is EVEN WORSE than the team that left in their dying years
I'm getting the feeling that there is deeper subtext to the divorce analogy here.
It should be noted...Kronke married into the Walton family of Wal Mart fame. That's how he made his initial fortune
That explains everything. That pathetic scumbag didn't even earn his money through his own work, he just married into old money.
Thank you for including Phil Castellini in this. The audio of him saying, "Where ya gonna go?" is even more infuriating than reading it. That statement turned me from a season ticket holder into someone who hasn't gone to a game in 3 years. I wish him a charlie horse every day he wakes up.
This is why we need relegation
The A’s player footage where he was begging for fans to come makes it look like it was from 2020.
that was Matt Chapman from 2018
As a fan of St. Louis sports, thank you for featuring Stan Kroenke as an absolute scumbag of an owner. That city has had it's heart broken twice by the NFL.
St. Louis screwed St. Louis
@@geneseofootball1915 St Louis did a lot for that team. Kroenke used the stadium as an excuse. Like the video says he left and built a new stadium on his own in LA. If he had put the same effort into the team there, the city would have been loyal. But it was obvious he was leaving and they knew the signs already. Let’s see how loyal LA fans stay when the team tanks.
Kroenke brought my team back home. Losing my beloved Rams to St Louis was one of the most traumatic things to happen in my life, and I suffered for 21 years, knowing they would eventually come home. Nobody ever believed me, but I went on and on about it for all of those years. Kroenke made it happen and I am grateful to him for that. And I got a super Bowl as a bonus. Sorry for you St Louis people, but you took them from us and you werent sorry. Anyway, as far as Im concerned your team is the Cardinals, not my Rams
Many Rams fans consider Georgia Frontiere as the true "absolute scumbag of an owner". She moved the Rams not once, but twice for heavy "incentives" both times. This was after she inherited the team and a massive fortune from her elderly husband, her 6th husband, who died in "mysterious circumstances". She also changed the iconic uniforms and colors of the team, to the drab uninspired look they used in St Louis. Kroenke simply returned the team to it's home of 50 years, St Louis fans really ought to be more mad about the Cardinals leaving before, they were there for longer than the Rams ever were.
Perhaps football might work in St Louis if they get an expansion team, rather than bribing existing teams to move there.
St. Louis stole the Rams from Los Angeles. The Rams were in California since the 1930's. Georgia screw Southern California and moved them over for a few dollars. St. Louis can get a D**k. The Cardinals left that clown show city, too. Enjoy your baseball team.
I remember as an Astros fans a couple of years where the A’s were the biggest thorn in our side in the div. They always found a way to play us tough and win quite often, even in our best years. There was absolutely no reason for them to go as bad as they have, they built strong teams that I didn’t want my team to have to play in a playoff series.
As a Rays fan, I look at the A's and think "Oh, shit. That could be us."
@@SkunkApe407The Rays used to be in that purgatory a long time ago but as if by magic they started playing a lot better and have actually been a good team since they changed from the Devil Rays.
@@lakerskid2013 true. Very true.
@@SkunkApe407 I’m a Braves fan but I can’t think of too many other teams that have had instant success after a simple name change like the Rays have done.
Dude. David Tepper could be watching!! Don’t give him ideas!!
For Panthers or Charlotte FC
Lol think we got a lil glimpse into your divorce in the beginning of this video 😮😢
Another point to mention is that having a sports team in your city is not financially advantageous. Owners get money, tax incentives and most if not all of the concessions and merch money. A few low paid jobs at the stadium don't add much, and the idea that bars and restaurants benefit is highly overblown. Fans don't go to bars to watch a team just because that team plays in that city.
That money has to come from somewhere, so it is of course from cutting programs and services.
When you learn the Rams' owner owned all the land surrounding where the new stadium in LA would be built, all the land that would be used for bars and restaurants etc. that large crowds of people visit before and after games, it becomes extremely obvious the real reason the team moved. He's a real-estate mogul, and he bought an NFL team to increase the value of his real-estate.
Avalanche won the Stanley Cup in their first season in Colorado. Won it again a five years later. Imagine how bad those Quebec fans felt.
Panthers owner needs to start being in these type of videos
Panthers Fans: The owners turned our team into a TANK!
Other Hockey Fans: ...a tank?..
Panthers Fans: ...they got better...
Yes, the Brooklyn Dodgers, who went to the World Series in 1947, 1949, 1952, 1953, 1955, and 1956, suddenly became a winning team when they moved to LA after the 1957 season.
You forgot the HIllbilly Prince Bob Nutting and the Pittsburgh Pirates. If it weren't for the Lakers, the Pirates would be the worst run franchise in sports.
Hey Bob, thanks for Nutting.
...and people are now shocked that my generation doesnt trust and actively distrusts rich people.
Blaming the fans is just an easily ridiculable move by ownership.
The long term reality though is that fans just stop being fans.
People stop caring and spending money.
Imagine killing 2 baseball franchises?? Jeffery Loria has...(Expos and Marlins)
Professional sports have become teams owned by billionaires, that play games for millionaire fans (the only people who can afford the tickets). But, they want the working class taxpayers to subsidize their fun with money for new stadiums.
The fact that billionaire owners use there leverage to scrape whatever is left over in tax revenue to build stadiums that they could easily build for chump change makes me so angry. Fuck you sports team owners, tax money should be spent on things which have actual societal value, (i.e. social security, police, fire departments, education, public transport, critical infrastructure projects, criminal rehabilitation)
There is a reason why I have soured on major pro sports of ANY sort. Scumbag owners have ruined it for me. I hang on to the NHL because at least the quality of play there hasn't declined … yet.
To be fair to the Oakland A’s fans, no one wants to go to the Colosseum. If you know about the Oakland Colosseum, it is literally in the middle of the hood ( well to be fair all of Oakland is the hood) but the Colosseum is in the middle of the worst area of the hood which is East Oakland and a lot of prostitution, killing, and drug dealing happen very often In that area. it’s very comparable to southside Chicago at its peak so no one really feels safe going to a’s games plus the stadium is very shitty too especially when you can take a 20 minute Car ride or a 30 minute train ride to the giants stadium which is downtown San Francisco with a lot more amenities, safety protocols, and a better view of the bay than the Colosseum
Speaking of the A's, there was an exception when they moved to Kansas City because basically every year they had there was a losing season but as soon as they moved to Oakland in 1968 they started winning and then in the early '70s from 1972 to 1974 they won the World Series 3 years in a row. So initially when they moved from Philadelphia to Kansas City they didn't prove your trend but then when they moved to Oakland they did prove your trend and did prove that a team that moves starts winning when they move their new location.
One thing that's kind of annoying about the A's is that I remember hearing a rumor back in 2005 that they would move to Las Vegas That is if Reggie Jackson bought the team which he didn't by the team it was Lou Wolf and he said he would not move the team but then in 2006 he said he wanted to move the team to Fremont which actually would not have been a bad move because that would have been a short drive from Oakland to get there however the population is way smaller there at about 200,000 which is still a big population but kind of small for a sports team, and then they talked about moving down to San Jose which believe it or not even though San Francisco is the first city people think of when it comes to the Bay Area, San Jose is actually the most populated city in the Bay Area and they have been for decades even back then, but the dumbest thing ever prevented the A's from moving down to San Jose and that was the fact that the San Francisco Giants had an a-ball minor league team there called the San Jose Giants and somehow that was enough for the Giants to force them to not be allowed to move there even though it was a minimal a-ball minor league team.
As someone who's been in the Bay Area my whole life all those specifically I'm in the North Bay and in wine country so I'm an hour north of San Francisco and an hour northwest of Oakland and also 2 hours north of San Jose, I actually would not have minded the A's moving to San Jose. Yes the drive would have been an extra hour but I would have been okay with it. My wife and I love going to San Jose Sharks games especially back in the late 2010s when they were so good and our first hockey game was in fact that playoff game when the Sharks dominated the Ducks 8 - 1.
Don't get why the Bills even got a mention here. The team and owner never mentioned relocating. The Bills owners are from Buffalo. The team owners have other interests in Buffalo. And the owners bought the team campaigning specifically that they were the one buyer who wouldn't relocate the team. Relocation talk with the Bills was all generated by the league office who wanted more free money and the media who just assumed. The team and owners have been quiet
Trevor Bauer is outlawed from MLB as far as I can tell. Does that make the whole league scumbags?
I sure hope he says "fuck you" and stays out of the league forever.
Bud Adams must have been playing the long game with the Oilers, because, with a brief exception, they were mediocre for decades. They were so bad that they were used as a punch line on Mary Tyler Moore when Ted Baxter used them as a euphemism for an easy lay.
Ah yes, but if you’re the White Sox you will continue to gas light us, threaten to move to Nashville and not do it and blame the city and fans for not building Jerry a new stadium…
There's a RUclips video out there of a basically empty Oakland Coliseum, and an usher tells the only two fans sitting in an *entire section* that he needs to check their tickets.
You can't make this stuff up.
Stan Kroneke is not a scumbag. He corrected the error of that fool, Georgia Frontiere by moving the Rams back home to Los Angeles.
You clearly blinded by fallacies: no objectivity in any of those words.
@@Yuan-lo3zzHe's been drinking the orange flavored Haterade so there's no getting through to him.
@@Yuan-lo3zz say no to drugs.
@@Haterade420 Say no to haterade. 😂
no, he was a scumbag because he told the fans he wouldnt move the team..then did just that...if he had just been honest and said "hey, I want to move the Rams back to LA" then hed at least be respected...hed still be hated, but respected for his honesty at least
The Atlanta thrashers owners (Atlanta spirit) are peak of terrible owners. Intentionally tanked the franchise because they didn’t want them in the first place
Well, I do blame the fans. As soon a a politician grows a spine and tell then to F off, they will be quickly voted out of office.
Nice!! That's us at the 34 second mark dancing. We threw out the 1st pitch that day.
Remember us when you get famous😂
Franchises moving around in the United States is as old as professional sports. Giving your heart to a pro team is begging for abuse.
If the taxpayers pay for the stadium do they at least get free or subsidized tickets? Oh, no, the opposite…
screwing the taxpayer is the mandatory step. screw ALL teams. get out, stay out. scam scam scam.
Let's not forget the foolish fans who, year after year keep going to the games cuz they have season tickets and don't want to lose them.
Everything you said in this video is what David Tepper is currently doing
Blame the league owners they vote for the moves and don't hold the owner's accountable because money man it is a business not a game.
Then you have the opposite the rare time when you have a new ownership that keeps the team there and get a new stadium and win it all like the bucks but im still waiting for the brewers to win it all but im not going to hold my breath
Bro why are all your examples about relationship issues lol. Who hurt you?