Super Ball Rolling For The Lathe ( Instead of Sandpaper )

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  • Опубликовано: 13 янв 2025

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  • @carlwilson1772
    @carlwilson1772 10 месяцев назад +33

    The process is called Fescalising.

    • @metallantik
      @metallantik  10 месяцев назад +7

      Thank you, I will pin your comment

    • @mattw7949
      @mattw7949 10 месяцев назад +4

      I was actually wondering that. Thsnks.

    • @paulwomack5866
      @paulwomack5866 10 месяцев назад +47

      It's called Burnishing

    • @johnkemas7344
      @johnkemas7344 10 месяцев назад +1

      Wow, learn something new every day!

    • @skunkjobb
      @skunkjobb 10 месяцев назад +13

      Considering the extremely small number of results on Google for that word, fescalise or fescalised (even when replacing the last s with a z), I highly doubt that.
      Further googling gives there was a company called Fescol that made thick electrochemical deposition so some people might have called it to fescolise parts but that's still very rare and it has nothing to do with the method in this video.

  • @alanpaone
    @alanpaone 10 месяцев назад +12

    its always bugged me that polishing or sanding a surface always involves removing the material in high spots, its really satisfying to see a tool that works my mushing the high spots into the low, it feels right in a way

  • @moosebear3092
    @moosebear3092 10 месяцев назад +4

    This is incredible. I was confused at first but after watching this it makes perfect sense

  • @northwestrctv5584
    @northwestrctv5584 9 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you for taking time to shoot and edit this video. This work was as interesting for me as the tool, which, in itself, is wonderful!

  • @eackerw85
    @eackerw85 10 месяцев назад +9

    Nice Ball Bearing Burnisher. I used something like this in my old job to smoothen and compress the surface of the internal bore of a cylinder to make it a better surface for hydraulic seals.

  • @DrFiero
    @DrFiero 10 месяцев назад +54

    Oh yeah - add a big ink reservoir and you've just created the largest ball point pen ever! :D

    • @hotfacts786
      @hotfacts786 10 месяцев назад +2

      Yes

    • @GunFunZS
      @GunFunZS 10 месяцев назад

      The first ball point pen was patented for marking lumber. I bet it was big.

  • @evzone84
    @evzone84 10 месяцев назад +9

    Brilliant simple design. Love it

  • @KingJellyfishII
    @KingJellyfishII 10 месяцев назад +5

    wow, i love the use of the late like a mill. very creative

    • @Thelemorf
      @Thelemorf 8 месяцев назад

      Well, its really not. Thats how ppl without a mill have been using their lathes for ages..

    • @KingJellyfishII
      @KingJellyfishII 8 месяцев назад

      @@Thelemorf oh interesting, I've just never seen it done before

    • @Thelemorf
      @Thelemorf 8 месяцев назад

      @@KingJellyfishII if you want to play in the big boy League you use a milling attachment so you get xyz axis

  • @drewcagno
    @drewcagno 9 месяцев назад +1

    Very nice use of the lathe as an mill! 👍🏽

  • @kimmotoivanen
    @kimmotoivanen 10 месяцев назад +3

    Switching tool and object for slot milling was the interesting part for me :)

  • @Mikepragland
    @Mikepragland 3 месяца назад +1

    Resourceful 😮. Amazing work

  • @stephen9518
    @stephen9518 10 месяцев назад +6

    Brilliant idea to use a circlip as a backstop in your chuck. Never seen that before, I always thought the grooves in the jaws were just to give a better 'bite to the workholding. Thanks very much. I had a similar idea about the burnishing tool, but with a heavy spring within the fixture so a constant load can be applied. Great thinking, great application. Thanks again.

    • @metallantik
      @metallantik  10 месяцев назад

      ❤️

    • @JaakkoF
      @JaakkoF 10 месяцев назад +5

      Nice idea for the backstop, but a bad way to ef up a bearing. Holding the wrong race when pushing in an oversized axle.

    • @stephen9518
      @stephen9518 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@JaakkoF Quite right, fully agree.

    • @exponential8739
      @exponential8739 9 месяцев назад

      A dual vee bearing by say Bishop-Wisecarver would better distribute the ball loads.

  • @ashesman1
    @ashesman1 10 месяцев назад +5

    Great idea, I haven’t seen this done before. Tempted to make one myself!
    Looks like your tail stock is a bit out of alignment or that big drill is a bit bent. It really flexes when it centers in the hole.

  • @emilalmberg1096
    @emilalmberg1096 10 месяцев назад +23

    When pressing bearings, support the inner ring!

    • @metallantik
      @metallantik  10 месяцев назад +4

      Thanks 👌🙏

    • @skunkjobb
      @skunkjobb 10 месяцев назад +16

      To be more precise, when pressing bearings, support the same ring as you are pressing against and never let the force go through the rollers or balls.

  • @mattw7949
    @mattw7949 10 месяцев назад +19

    I would be tempted to try a "scissor" version of this (like a scissor knurl) just to keep from putting undue load on the spindle and toolpost.

    • @hotfacts786
      @hotfacts786 10 месяцев назад

      Sure ❤❤❤❤

    • @Bob_Adkins
      @Bob_Adkins 10 месяцев назад +7

      Both sides of the scissor wouldn't have to be an identical ball, 1 side could just be an uncomplicated roller bearing.

    • @mr.slowhand3843
      @mr.slowhand3843 8 месяцев назад +2

      I guess machining puts a lot more radial force onto the spindle than this tiny ball

  • @motobenbh4722
    @motobenbh4722 10 месяцев назад +1

    MAN OF CULTURE! ...... Also I learned about a dozen cool techniques here. Thank you.

  • @bentontool
    @bentontool 10 месяцев назад

    I perceive this to be a burnishing technique... BRILLIANT.

  • @tdubsimmapilot
    @tdubsimmapilot 10 месяцев назад +8

    Interesting idea. I'm no pro, but getting your work overhang (and tooling overhang with that endmill, yikes!) under control would go a long way toward helping the initial surface finish and hole centering. Choke up in the chuck as much as the operation allows.
    Have you experimented with a vetrical shear tool for turning and facing? It's a really easy and forgiving grind and it changed how I think of a finish pass on 1018 and similar mild steel. Two passes at 0.001-0.002" DOC, about 0.002-0.003 IPR feed and low SFM (like

    • @metallantik
      @metallantik  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks a lot my friend ❤️🙏

    • @PiefacePete46
      @PiefacePete46 10 месяцев назад

      That's no good... what will we do with the new tools we all made after watching this video! 😜

    • @morpheusduvall
      @morpheusduvall 10 месяцев назад +3

      I ground up a shear tool for my lathe and it indeed produces a wonderful finish

  • @AliEbrahimiAsl
    @AliEbrahimiAsl 10 месяцев назад +3

    very professional and practical😍👏

  • @bryanwanek46
    @bryanwanek46 10 месяцев назад +4

    Also wondering if you could skip the solo ball and just lightly radius the outer race of a bearing on a bench grinder or diamond grinder then just mount that little curved monster on the end of your tool and eliminate the ball. I wonder if they make a small, sealed, tapered roller bearing that would resist the lateral load better. Just thinking out loud.

  • @kerrywil1
    @kerrywil1 10 месяцев назад +4

    Thank you for investing the time to do the video. Any offer of general sizing of part and cutting tools? I am really interested in the hole size for the bearing. Thank you

    • @hotfacts786
      @hotfacts786 10 месяцев назад +1

      Yes ❤❤❤❤

    • @graemewhite5029
      @graemewhite5029 9 месяцев назад

      Looks like he used a 629 bearing. That's a 9mm bore, 26mm od and 8mm wide.

  • @JavierChiappa
    @JavierChiappa 10 месяцев назад +5

    SO the end result, can it be used for hydraulics, for example? is it smooth enough for the seals?

  • @nicolashuffman4312
    @nicolashuffman4312 10 месяцев назад +4

    I wonder if you could get a similar result by mounting a sealed bearing to a tool blank at maybe 1 degree offset and using the corner of the bearing outer race to burnish the work.

    • @PiefacePete46
      @PiefacePete46 10 месяцев назад +2

      That was my first thought too. I wondered if using a toolpost grinder to put a smooth radius on the outer bearing race, then polish it, would achieve a similar result, with less complexity. Mount it as you suggest, or in a fork, maybe?

  • @neillickfold
    @neillickfold 3 месяца назад +1

    I like it. looking at it, the front could be bored through with an inner step and a smaller ball entered from the back where the bearing is. Or does the ball need to be larger than 6mm or so?

    • @metallantik
      @metallantik  3 месяца назад

      Thanks , A larger ball is recommended for a larger lathe

  • @dcsensui
    @dcsensui 10 месяцев назад +1

    I gotta make this!

  • @SGS_Engineering
    @SGS_Engineering 8 месяцев назад +1

    Nice work, how much does it change the diameter of the work piece? 👍

    • @beautgrainger147
      @beautgrainger147 5 месяцев назад

      Yes, slightly.
      The process is used in watchmaking for simultaneous surface hardening and decreasing pivot size.
      I believe the industrial roller tools for burnishing holes have a specific "before" size which you have to hit before using the tool, which is like an exposed bearing which uses the hole as an outer race, for the burnishing effect.

  • @sohrabroumani1256
    @sohrabroumani1256 10 месяцев назад +1

    The king of all engineers❤

    • @metallantik
      @metallantik  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks a lot my dear friend Sohrab 🙏❤️

  • @Bob_Adkins
    @Bob_Adkins 10 месяцев назад +1

    Have you tried various oils? It could make a difference, good or bad.

  • @dennistennyson8856
    @dennistennyson8856 10 месяцев назад +2

    I like your design

  • @ianbelletti6241
    @ianbelletti6241 9 месяцев назад

    I wonder if you can use this process to leave a uniform pattern instead of the smooth finish.

  • @Gumbatron01
    @Gumbatron01 10 месяцев назад +1

    Nice idea. Does the accuracy of the bore that the bearing ball sits in matter much? I was thinking about this and wondering whether a sleeve of non-ferrous material (ideally bronze, but brass would probably be ok too) that was bored out to a close fit for the ball could help in maintaining the accuracy and repeatability of the burnishing process.
    Might try it out.

  • @p-lfortin3471
    @p-lfortin3471 4 месяца назад

    what kind of acid did you use to protect from rust?

  • @Lwimmermastermetalart
    @Lwimmermastermetalart 8 месяцев назад

    The same process can be done for finishing drilled holes called burnishing. Obviously you need a different type tool however the process is essentially the same. Forming metal using a steel ball of sorts. Very accurate size and finish can be achieved with this type of tool.

  • @anotherone2itz
    @anotherone2itz 3 месяца назад

    I am in tool and die making school right about now, how can i do this? You know with the measurments
    Love from puerto rico.

  • @Feirypackman
    @Feirypackman 8 месяцев назад

    What was the process called when he joined them both together was it brazing them or soldering them to join them with heat please.

  • @vlaskz
    @vlaskz 2 месяца назад

    in 1:23 to 1:27 we clearly see the centers were not aligned, but it actually worked (almost perfectly) due to tool flexibility.

  • @PiefacePete46
    @PiefacePete46 10 месяцев назад +3

    Does anyone know, does this process actually work-harden the workpiece? It would be a nice simple process to give a harder finish to a component that doesn't justify heat treating, case hardening, or plating.

    • @paulwomack5866
      @paulwomack5866 10 месяцев назад +5

      Yes - it's been done for centuries by horologists to make pivots smooth AND hard

    • @eackerw85
      @eackerw85 10 месяцев назад +3

      Yes it case hardens a small amount but nothing like a true heat treat would.

    • @PiefacePete46
      @PiefacePete46 9 месяцев назад

      @user-hy4to2tk6v : I would be interested to know what you find. Could you post the outcome here, if it's not too long? That would be great. 👍

  • @juleslobo5644
    @juleslobo5644 10 месяцев назад +2

    Kann es sein, dass der Rundlauf des Dreibackenfutters jenseits von Eden ist? Da eiert ja alles, vom Bohrer bis zum Fräser.. Tut ja weh beim Hinsehen. Ist da keine Messuhr in der Nähe?

  • @cowboy399
    @cowboy399 10 месяцев назад

    Nice one

  • @fahi8293
    @fahi8293 10 месяцев назад +1

    amazing🌸🌸

  • @johnhall8455
    @johnhall8455 10 месяцев назад +1

    What did you use to do the blueing/blacking?…nice video..

  • @onemischiefmaker7032
    @onemischiefmaker7032 6 месяцев назад

    How much force is applied to the ball for burnishing?

  • @TlD-dg6ug
    @TlD-dg6ug 9 месяцев назад +1

    This is actually roller burnishing.

  • @tatersncorn
    @tatersncorn 4 месяца назад

    Is this how they make shafts for hydraulic rams so smooth?

  • @siirousshahkaramii8628
    @siirousshahkaramii8628 10 месяцев назад +1

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤عالی درودبرشمااستاد

  • @jeffschroeder4805
    @jeffschroeder4805 10 месяцев назад

    I would guess that in a lot alloys, working the surface this way would also contribute to increased hardness, probably improving wear qualities.

  • @Behnia_rj
    @Behnia_rj 10 месяцев назад +1

    ❤✌🏼 supert 🎉 veldig bra

  • @camriedesel1202
    @camriedesel1202 10 месяцев назад +1

    What kind of ball is that

  • @SteveChan-r4u
    @SteveChan-r4u 10 месяцев назад

    Good job

  • @_Otaku-kt8be
    @_Otaku-kt8be 10 месяцев назад

    So does it remove material or just polish it because it looks like theres a difference in size not just finish

    • @jamesmoody562
      @jamesmoody562 10 месяцев назад +2

      Turning produces peaks and troughs. The pressure from the ball or bearing bends the peaks over giving a more polished and larger surface area . It will reduce the diameter so you have to allow for this on your final dimension.

  • @rogerfroud300
    @rogerfroud300 4 месяца назад

    That looks pretty useful. However, it's limited when it comes to anything with a shoulder. A miniature version might be more useful.
    A Silicon Nitride ball might be a better option, being significantly harder than a Steel one.

  • @imanmoradi4426
    @imanmoradi4426 10 месяцев назад +1

    Very good

  • @Feirypackman
    @Feirypackman 8 месяцев назад

    And could you use map gas to do this

  • @bryanwanek46
    @bryanwanek46 10 месяцев назад

    Interesting. I've noticed the lighter my cuts the worse the finish seems to result. If this actually works I would be very interested in trying it.

  • @leila7963
    @leila7963 10 месяцев назад

    gold paw😍👌

  • @Jason-o5s
    @Jason-o5s 27 дней назад

    Cheer~~~~a machine for shaping wood, metal, or other material by means of a rotating drive which turns the piece being worked on against changeable cutting tools.😊

  • @جمالدحدوح-س4ن
    @جمالدحدوح-س4ن 6 месяцев назад

    Hi I want best one for skimming cylinder head

  • @DrFiero
    @DrFiero 10 месяцев назад +7

    Micro suggestion - don't put the mill bit directly into the chuck jaws. They're both hardened. It can slip and damaged one or both.
    Hold it with some foil over the jaws (or similar).

    • @metallantik
      @metallantik  10 месяцев назад +3

      Thanks 👍👍❤️

  • @kellhofer
    @kellhofer 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hallo gibt es eine Bauteilzeichnung? Bzw Stückliste

    • @metallantik
      @metallantik  10 месяцев назад

      Nein, leider braucht man nur ein Kugellager und eine kleine Dtahlkugel 🙏

  • @vahideh.sh18
    @vahideh.sh18 10 месяцев назад

    Geil 😍 echt toll

  • @اعطمراد
    @اعطمراد 10 месяцев назад

    It was great, great boy👌

  • @Behnia_rj
    @Behnia_rj 10 месяцев назад +1

    jeg liker jobben du❤

  • @CothranMike
    @CothranMike 10 месяцев назад

    Making a single point burnisher. Actually in more cases not a solution since the toolmarks are only ever burnished rather than removed. They are just pressed to one side, usually the direction of feed. Improved finishes sure, correct dimension maybe not...

  • @mylesdownham1819
    @mylesdownham1819 10 месяцев назад

    Just wondering why you cannot achieve a good surface finish off the tool. Have you had any formal training as a machinist

  • @bulatchen
    @bulatchen 7 месяцев назад

    Anybody knows where to buy?

  • @Stan_in_Shelton_WA
    @Stan_in_Shelton_WA 10 месяцев назад +1

    OUCH, you should never press a bearing in a way that transfers the load through the bearing. 5:50

  • @ahmaddarvishi-wy4vk
    @ahmaddarvishi-wy4vk 10 месяцев назад

    ❤❤❤

  • @machinemaker2248
    @machinemaker2248 10 месяцев назад +1

    5:43, using the snap ring to avoid deforming the bearing. Thanks!

    • @marcusrauch4223
      @marcusrauch4223 10 месяцев назад +1

      Looks to me he’s using it as a guide to chuck in the bearing straight. The inner ring was completely unsupported and the force went through the rollers in a way they weren’t designed to handle. That’s a big no-no and can and *WILL* damage the bearing.

  • @imanmoradi4426
    @imanmoradi4426 10 месяцев назад

    🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @mylesdownham1819
    @mylesdownham1819 10 месяцев назад

    there is no substitute for trade qualified machinists . everyone says oh i can use a lathe but actually they cant

  • @gravyblue
    @gravyblue 10 месяцев назад

    Why not just use the bearing?

    • @theterribleanimator1793
      @theterribleanimator1793 6 месяцев назад

      ball will concentratre pressure to a point. less work on the spindle. also the ball is easily replaced.

  • @SergeiPetrov
    @SergeiPetrov 10 месяцев назад

    Why doesn't anyone use a properly dulled ceramic turning tool?

    • @DrFiero
      @DrFiero 10 месяцев назад +1

      Like a broken spark plug? Just saw another guy make a holder (M18 * 1.5) for that the other day! Totally doing it.

    • @SergeiPetrov
      @SergeiPetrov 10 месяцев назад

      @@DrFiero link?

    • @DrFiero
      @DrFiero 10 месяцев назад

      @@SergeiPetrov - boy am I glad RUclips has a history function!!! Never would have found this again otherwise...
      ruclips.net/video/XRuKKchj7sk/видео.html

    • @johnhall8455
      @johnhall8455 10 месяцев назад

      What are you using to do the blueing/ blacking?…nice video

    • @DrFiero
      @DrFiero 10 месяцев назад

      @@johnhall8455 - Probably want to post that as it's own comment, not a reply. Never get seen.

  • @Hurc7495
    @Hurc7495 10 месяцев назад

    dont quench a braze! or any hot joint for that matter!

  • @ahmaddarvishi-wy4vk
    @ahmaddarvishi-wy4vk 10 месяцев назад

    Mardi marrrrrrrd

  • @br4713
    @br4713 7 месяцев назад

    Sandpaper way easier for me

  • @grahamsengineering.2532
    @grahamsengineering.2532 10 месяцев назад +1

    Burnishing.

  • @ahmaddarvishi-wy4vk
    @ahmaddarvishi-wy4vk 10 месяцев назад

    Ofishhhhhhhh

  • @mcgam2000
    @mcgam2000 10 месяцев назад +1

    However, these projects are great EXCEPT no dimensions! neither metric or imperial... And yes, I know how much more difficult it is to include these details when one is makin something from idea's in one's head... I am always doing the same thing and then thinking "i should have made a video with details about this project...

  • @waynec369
    @waynec369 10 месяцев назад

    Adding one drop of oil at the beginning of a cut, then no more is tantamount to pissing in a whirlwind...🤦‍♂️

    • @jamesbaker3153
      @jamesbaker3153 10 месяцев назад +1

      Almost the exact opposite. Pissing in a whirlwind would get it everywhere. Metalwork might be your thing. Wordplay? Not so much.

    • @waynec369
      @waynec369 10 месяцев назад

      @jamesbaker3153 precisely. A tiny amount of liquid scattered everywhere, but where it's needed. Pedanticism might be your thing. Common sense, not so much...

  • @roybertalotto6355
    @roybertalotto6355 8 месяцев назад

    Did you really use your tail stock as a bearing press??!! Poor little lathe...😮‍💨

  • @pipeepapofckgug3633
    @pipeepapofckgug3633 10 месяцев назад +5

    Why do people always feel the need to command me to "like, subscribe and hit the bell"? If I think your content is worth it, I'll do so myself, if I don't think so, I won't. But if your content is worth it (like this video) but you're trying to push me, I will not only NOT do any of these, but block your channel so you don't receive any clicks from me ever again.

  • @everettplummer9725
    @everettplummer9725 9 месяцев назад +1

    Incorrect way to press a bearing, never ever put force on the balls. Holding the outer race, while pressing into the inner race, is a way to void bearing warranties.

    • @KuchiKopium
      @KuchiKopium 8 месяцев назад +1

      Absolutely true.
      Also, not putting force on the balls is good advice for life, in general.

  • @MSM5500
    @MSM5500 21 день назад

    No, man, you won't be able polish surfaces properly with your device. Looking shiny doesn't define the actual quality of surface roughness.

  • @themannyb
    @themannyb 8 месяцев назад

    I fired you two times already when you use the tailstock to press stuff in I fired you on the spot. We don’t do that otherwise it’s OK.

  • @MrRinghoe
    @MrRinghoe 9 месяцев назад

    Nice job !
    But why not make the hole "thing" out of a square piece, instead of turning and welding it out of two pieces ?
    But thanks, you inspirered me. . .

  • @maymocvanongnghiep1123
    @maymocvanongnghiep1123 10 месяцев назад +1

    ❤❤❤❤❤