Stingray Leather - the Facts About the White Diamond
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024
- Some people say that the white diamond found on most stingray leather products is a mark of the leather's authenticity, and products without it are not using real stingray leather. In this video, I show you where that white diamond comes from and what it actually means. http;//www.tombarrington.com
I was skeptical at first but knowing now that the rays are not killed purely for their skins but the skin as a byproduct, just as traditional leather is, I think I'll be picking one up.
Stingrays are consumed regularly in Asian cuisines, and most of the time their skins just ended up being discarded like worthless chicken feathers. Good to see that these creatures skin have an artistic value in it.
then that may be a good idea to go to fish markets and negotiate a deal for the skins. you may get them cheap or even free, they wont go to waste and you can make things with the leather and make a decent profit
Valencio Danes lol
you mean like how we did back in the day...before modern tech. You moron
Valencio Danes don’t make me laugh you piece of shit!
now i feel like is a more natural look with out the diamond
I just LOVE this. I have no idea why anyone would not want to enjoy them without the strange diamond!
Greetings, I was one of the early developers and marketers of rawhide and rawhide stingray skin. I helped bring this and other kinds of shagreen back into the marketplace.
The dentin crystals do not absorbe dye like regular leather. The dying is actually painting. The large eye or star crystals were polished in the early days to provide contrast after painting. Today, tape is applied over the eye of newly tanned shin before painting and is removed afterwards. It should be noted that all stingray shins are wet sanded on a wet board to remove the very sharp tips jast after tanning. Most are a pale green to greenish tan after tanning. The American sword companey, AMES, used a kind of shark skin with small dentin crystals. The dryed shark in the video is a Skate and not the same as the tanned stingray in the video.
Regarding stingray as a food, I have enjoyed it on many occasions. It is a common seafood in Asia. A lot are harvested for food in the indian ocean and S. China sea.
This food provides an extra income to many small fishing families and the skin is a food-by product. It is plentiful but requires skill in cleaning and processing.
This and other forms of shagreen was used a lot on sailing ships to scrub the decks. It acts like a sandpaper.
Shagreen has a long history used by man for thousands of years around the world. It has been foung in Anchent tooms and pyramids. Thenk you,
David Culpepper
Thanks David for your post...
It's good to read a post by someone that "actually" knows something about this leather type. Many thanks.
I noted on your web page you are into many of the things my family (mother and grandmother) did a family craft and sold directly back in the 60's and 70's...The Toad Skin particularly caught my eye, as I remember the Cane Toads (Bufo marina) and the leather they can offer someone into this craft. Still one of my favorites and very unusual.
Various Skates and Sharks have been part of the arts for millenia. Its great to know there are others out there with this interest and keeping these old traditions alive, and protected from the "knock offs."
Regards,
j
Congratulations on creating one of the cruellest animal product industries in China then. Where rays by the truckload are harvested, skinned alive, and thrown back into the water. 99.99% of ray skin is from China and it isn't a by product of meat.
Only two countries eat ray btw. And it's only poor people too poor to eat anything else as it's often thrown away when caught. The rays are caught solely for their skin in China. I live in southeast Asia, it is NOT a food here and it definitely isn't common. If it was it wouldn't be found washed up in the ton load on the beaches because ray skinners have been through the area.
David Culpepper well done sir. Thank you!
bashpr0mpt Your the only one bitching . Just sayin . In fact I’m gonna buy me a nice stingray leather wallet right now . You just convinced me . In fact I’m gonna spread the word that bashpr0mpt says it’s the most humane leather product on the market . With any luck , everyone will be wearing this shit by the end of the year . 😉👍🏽 Not for nothin but this guy was just proud of the work he’s done in his life to bring a product to the table . Basically it’s his life’s achievement, and you just come over and piss on it like the god damn tree hugging activist you are . Sometimes it’s better to keep your cock holster shut, you fuckin righteous keyboard warrior 🖕🏽😂🖕🏽
Good on you Tom!
Stingray Skin 101 - The pointed toe boots are from a Large to XL skin. That skin is off a fish that is 3.5 to 4 years old. Tiny beads deposits are off a young fish 1-1.5 years old. The beads are actually calcium deposits. The same calcium deposits that we scale off a boat every year. The calcium deposits grow every year the fish gets older.
When you are buying skins; there are four finishes that you can purchase.
Pearl Finished, Art Deco Finished, Art Nouveau Finish and Hard Finish
Pearl Finished - a soft tan, un sanded and the pearls are grainy. They are coated with poly urethane and you use this for high end leather goods.
Art Deco Finish - a soft tan, Sanded, semi smooth grained, coated with poly urethane and the finish looks glossy - Use is for furniture, interior design and art deco projects
Art Nouveau - a soft tan, sanded, smooth grained and finished with a WAX polish - Use is for contemporary furniture, interior design and art deco projects
Hard Finished - hard tanned, un sanded, pear-like grain, no coating and matte. Uses would be for antique restoration when restoring old stingray projects that has the top coat worn off with time.
The biggest reality or the lie in the industry!!!! The Tiger Eye! The tiger eye is manufactured folks. I hear MANY salesman say that this piece is worth this much more because of the uniqueness of the skin on the boots are identical on each boot. The reason it is identical; the same template was used on hundreds of skins to get that tiger eye. First the area of the tiger eye is colored white. Then the stencil is placed over the white and then a template is placed on the top; generally in a diamond shape and the rest of the boot is colored; black, grey, tan, brown, green, red; whatever color the customer wants the design to look like. Then a poly-urethane is sprayed on top to give that shiny look! Sorry to burst the bubble! Natural stingray pelts are a grayish color in appearance :).
HEROIC Racing Apparel uses stingray skin on the crash area of our racing gloves and on our race suits on the hip and the elbow of the suits. The stingray skin of an adult stingray will slide on asphalt 650ft before wearing through to the foam. We use Pearl Finished skins without the manufactured tiger eye! :)
Those "beads" are called Denticles. The Idea of the white diamond came from the time before Chrome based tanning when the stringray leather would tan so hard that it was very hard to fold it without breaking it apart. The early leather tanners would sand down the denticles to even out the leather's width and over all pliability. The sanding would produce something similar to a Diamond except its points were very rounded. With the invention of Chrome tanning the leather is very pliable now so the diamond is purely for show. unless the people with the diamond displayed on their product tan the old way?
hi i’m interested in buying stingray leather. would you happen to know of anyone who would sell it to me? Any contact info would be greatly appreciated.
Didn't come here to learn this, but I still wanted to take the time to say thank you for such a well done explanation. Content like this represents the best of RUclips.
I live in a nice neighborhood and a furniture store got rid of real leather scraps. I took them not knowing what the stingray was! Very beautiful interesting texture too
I'm really happy that you have taken your time, in order inform people, who actually care, about this issue! Thank you! But, this being noted, I really wish that it was easier to buy stingray leather without that diamond placed on the pelt. I totally disrupts the work that I do with it, and almost dictates the the direction in which I must use it. Is there a tannery that I can order my stingray from, that will give me the option of not having it? Because I always have to get lucky, and find stingray without it. It's pretty frustrating. Again, thank you, very much, for putting this information out there! Take care!
PELGIO?
Try googling on line for companies in Thailand that produce the product.
Can you answer the difference between Stingray boots that have the white diamond, and those that have a white line? Does it have anything to do with male=diamond shape, and female=line?
5:05 I totally agree with your choice to leave it off. The white diamond stencil painted on the leather makes it look like an eBay special. Souvenir from Bangkok.
5:25 Fact: Some ppl does love the white diamond on stingray products Specially on boots that we love within the Mexican community but don't get me wrong some do like the natural that I've know about & with diamond or simply natural they are both nice👌🏼✌🏼
Thanks for showing this to us. Definitely going to buy a pen case and wallet I've been eyeing.
Thank you for that explanation.
Would you recommend sources to purchase the stingray leather without the diamond?
May I ask if the stingray is from salt water or fresh water? Is the leather of fresh water stingray better than the ones from the ocean? I
I love the fact you don't paint the diamond. Personally, I think the diamond is too flashy if not a little tacky. Unfortunately, it can be pretty difficult to find anything without the damn thing..or the star. And what about that line straight up the middle of the toe? That's definitely treading dangerously close to tacky waters.
Could the white diamond possibly be a harken to the use of Same (Sa-meh) in the construction of the tsuka for a katana?
You know, that's a great point! That may, in fact, be it's origin! Of the diamond, I mean. That may, very well, be why it's placed there. Damn! That's awesome that you wrote that, Anthony! Thanks, Man! I think that you are absolutely right on that.
I have a stingray bi fold men’s wallet bought in Japan, loving it .
what do you use to actually tan stingray leather, is it the same as cow leather and such?
Thank you so much for this very informative facts about the stingray leather products. I happen to like the white stencil diamond marking. Now I can explain this to my buddies
Not painted they are sanded (using a dremel like tool) to produce the "diamond". It was a marketing gimmic to best show the node on the top of the hide. The bumps are not made form calciate (calcium) but actually made of silicate, which gives the toughness of the skin. Sting ray is the toughest commecerially made leather.
Good job on laying down the facts. I just ordered one of your products, I hope it's as nice as the reviews say it is.
Valencio Danes dude settle down and get over yourself. Obviously you have no intelligence and better argument than to lace every other word with profanity. How professional....
@Valencio Danes You done with your tantrum princess?
@Valencio Danes "do I? This is RUclips, the comments section, it's not a place for intellectual discussion, "When in Rome..." Text properly you moron Lol and I dont care about the video.
@Valencio Danes Get a life you have been on here arguing with people for nearly a year and you're like 39. Lmfao act your age.
are sting ray leather boots waterproof?
Marco Ruiz Stingray leather is not innately waterproof. though the beads are indeed tightly packed together and would facilitate water runoff, they are not the solid barrier and the spaces between them are only as waterproof as the underlying hide. The leather on the underside would require waterproofing treatment.
Thank you! I hate the weird artificial diamond shape. On sanded stingray I think the faint, vague diamond from the larger nodules is very nice, but I find the false diamond very unpleasant. Does anyone have advice for where to source unsanded stingray without the diamond? I’ve been having trouble finding some.
If I purchase a black stingray wallet with a painted diamond can I paint it black? Is there a safe way to do it?
I love your product.
If you dont dye it, what color will it be?
That’s cool af. I need something made of stingray😂😂
Na you don't... carrying a stingray leather wallet is like carrying a roll of sand paper on your rear, hell, i purchased a toll pouch made of that leather and then i understood why back in the day it was used as part of bullet proof vest...
I’ll take ur wallet if u dont want it. I’ll PayPal you. I’m serious
@@jomarz1828 Yeah the stuff if like low grit sandpaper, it's far better for something that needs grip like a knife handle or something that isn't gonna be in your pocket.
I thought their whole body is covered by those beautiful scales. I didn't know those pearls were originally spikes. Nice video!! 😊😁👍❤❤❤
Are you still making these? Bought one roughly 10 years ago and the stitching finally gave way in some of the internal pockets. Would like to purchase another but the website is no longer up.
I live in Thailand and many stores here offer them for sale. Haven't checked in other Asian countries so do not know if they market this product.
@rondodson5736 yeah I have bought some since then. This particular one seemed to be better quality than any of the others I have found. Kinda showed the difference between a man working for himself and making a couple a day versus a guy in a factory being paid by the hour and being pushed to kick out 50 of them a day.
Beautiful products and excellent explanation of it! This is exactly what I was searching for and you did a phenomenal job teaching me about it. Thank you! Now - Where to find your wallet so I can purchase it...
Thank you for such a thorough explanation! I was wondering if a belt I got at a thrift store was genuine or not & googs brought up this vid.
Thank you so much for the info! I have a pair of stingray boots with the white diamond, and the white diamond has started to fade. What can I use to brighten it up or re-dye it?
Are you able to dye the stingray leather yourself? Is it the same process as leather?
Wow man, you really beat that point to death. I totally understand why though; some people are pretty thick.
I think your product has classic elegance. It is beautiful and needs no goofy ‘diamond’
Are the diamonds ever sanded on after the dying process?
Your cuts look very nice and clean! How do you go about getting such nice lines? I am having issues with this at the moment.
what kind of spray dye used in this kind of leather??
Sir, would you happen to know what products I could use to condition stingray leather boots?
I think a lot of the confusion comes from tanneries wanting to imitate the look of old "traditional" stingray. Stingray was tanned long before we started farm raising them. Native or "wild" rays, particularly larger species, have a more pronounced section of these calcium nodules called "placoid scales". In traditional tanning, these nodules were "barrel sanded" or "plane sanded". Due to the nodules being higher in the middle, as they are sanded down evenly, the larger nodules in the middle left a distinct "diamond" pattern... as the larger sanded nodules reveal undyed calium beneath the surface. It's very easy to tell the difference between a fake/painted "diamond" as shown in this video, because the lighter color goes all the way to the skin itself.
Anyone who tries to sell you on any claim of authenticity from the "diamond" that colors the skin, is full of fertilizer.
Thinking of making a cabinet handles wrapped in a shagreen leather. How do you burnish the joint where to edges coming together?
Interesting comment and opinion. I watched your video and personally i prefer the product with the white diamond, simply because it gives contrast to the leather and i think it looks better. Looking at your product it just seemed dull to me.
Thank you for this information been looking for this. I am looking for the process of spraying the dye using a template. I wanted to spray a logo on a piece of stingray, but I have not been able to find any information anywhere. What type of dye, what the process is, etc. Any information appreciated.
Wow, thanks for the video. I was expecting stingray to be far larger...
What kind of stingray do you use? Just wondering.
Tom Barrington makes a very high quality product
Great info. Just a question. What are they sprayed with to create the white 'diamond' and is there a way of removing it?
Do you make stingray leather cases for new ipad pro 10.5?
I first saw the “diamond “ in the wrapping of antique samurai sword handles.
Thank you so much for clarifying!
awesome vid i want to get some stingray boots but hate all have that white diamond i like the natural color
your video was very informative im glad you made the video now i know about that diamond i always wondered about that
Valencio Danes get over yourself. If you’re right, be mature and just correct people. Blasting people and using a lot of swear words doesn’t make you correct or legitimize your point.
Thank you for explaining. I thought the white is painted on. Didn't know why. But it looked cheap.
I do prefer the even color look better.
How much does a stingray leather wallet cost ?
Do u deliver to India ?
Depends on where you buy it. Here in Thailand a ladies wallet will sell fro between $100 and $300 American dollars. Can find them listed in stores differently. I bought one for my wife last month priced at about $135, but they were having a sale and paid $100 for it.
I have been unable to find sting ray western boots that do not have the white eye. I just want some sting ray boots that are natural.
Where are these products made In?
wow very nice. I process stingrays. part of the stingray is not wasted, all can be used. from good skin can be made into furniture and others, can also be made into noodles from stingray skin, salted fish or dried fish. even the peeling sand can be made like carbon kevlar. send regards for success
Very informative!
Why are some stingrays not pearly and more flat sleeker and shinier like straws while others are sturdier and pearlier?
Maybe the diamond is there because the leather is tanned and dyed before the calcium studs in the white diamond area is sanded down
It looks better without the diamond.
The blue is so beautiful
very informative,, is tis clear ur extreamly skilled
Are you Canadian by any chance? I’m from Wisconsin and have heard a lot of northern accents but yours sounds very Canadian
How to homemade stingray leather?
Very well explained 👍
How sting ray skins are tanned
thanks for the information, now I understand why a layer is flaking off the white pearl diamond on my wallet, I should have bought one off you ;-)but, I don't understand why the other nodules can wear down flat with use and still be black, Yet after the layer flaked of in the middle white nodules, it is still white and pearly, just curious mate,
@Valencio Danes yaaassss
Imagine an alien race farming and skinning us for our skin and then them debating if our skins are actually from our skin
No weirder than cow hide, just another product of nature. IMO
Stingray are animals and not sentient beings. Your comparison is flawed and emotionally driven.
Though it might surprise you that goods made of human leather has been used for centuries and is even sold today with high demand.
😂😂😂😂😂
@@BoleDaPole Of course they are sentient, this is straight anti-scientific. They have nervous systems and pain receptors and behavioural patterns that undoubtedly indicate sentience and consciousness. If an argument is acccompanied by emotions or not does not change the truth value of a point, so it is irrelevant if an argument is emotional motivated or not.
I always knew it was called human leather but I didn't know it came from actual humans... Trippy
Thank you for educating me in this very question I was asking myself and my wife I even tried Google and it said nothing to the depth and clarity you just explained.
I've seen your wallets and tried to find your webpage I've been directed to not currently available etc..
I will get to your site as I've been wanting a stingray wallet.
Great video I learned a lot
Are you still in business?
I don't think so. Went to their website and it says the domain name is up for sale
@@toadsage I guess the majority of people thought the diamond looks better.
Yeah! Tnx!!
Beautiful!
I thought the white part came to be because of taking off pearls that skin has by shaving or cutting them off
I learned a couple weeks ago fishing off the imperial beach pier that stingrays are shark not fish.
great info
That's good info. I actually 5hink the white diamond is cool tho if done tastefully, like Galco Holsters.
Nice call in not adding the “eyes”
Its not painted on - at least it shouldn't be. The diamond is usually made by grinding down and polishing the "pearl" nodules.
YES.
Come on man the skin is sanded and is white throughout, they cover the diamond shape with tape when they "unnaturally" dye the rest of the skin with a spray, they do it in various shapes. If you want natural than yours are not 100 percent natural either but who cares, whatever makes the leather stand out. You pay premium dollars for these products and a black wallet doesn't stand out as stingray without that white diamond. Order one with or without designs stencilled on.
I totally agree that the diamond is unnecessary and kind of tacky
I hardly believe that people are THAT STUPID to think that white diamond shape was natural just because some scammer told them so. And the fact that they bother you with it? You have so much patience to deal with idiots like them. Good job!
Isn't it more likely that the diamond area is where the calcium beads have been sanded down and reveal their natural color...
Thank you
Awesome!
I think that eye is tacky. But I bet some people need something visual like that as evidence that it is stingray even though it does no such thing as providing evidence.
The only ones i have seen have the white. After watching this video i still think the white makes it look better, so is just a matter of personal preference. I bought mine with the white and when buying more i will continue to buy with the white.
Ill get a pair out of respect for my main nigga Steve irwin RIP
Good video.
When I saw the pictures with the white shape in the middle, I thought it was just a hole.
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hm good to know
Tom Barrington wrote:
"...if you purchase stingray leather products, you don't have to worry that you are threatening an endangered species...and none of the different species of rays are endangered..."
Linked from: ezinearticles.com/?Stingray-Leather:-A-Long-History-of-Beauty-and-Function&id=7467931
Again, not true at all. Anyone can look up "bycatch" issues in industrial fishing (the mane source for Stingray leather products) and which species of Ray and Skate are now listed as vulnerable, threatened or endangered. The list is growing each year mainly because of by catch and because of the fashion industries industrial commercial complex.
Tom Barrington is a manufacture not a "hands on" individual Artisan and Craftsman working on custom or bespoke products. Tom Barringtons..."handmade"...should be taken read as "machine made" by laborers in the fashion industry. There are plenty of "handmade" Leather Artisan out here that actually do design, craft and tend to their products personally as Artisan and Craftspeople. They could really use your support...
The one with a dimond looks alot better quality. You should probably find a new place to have yours tanned.
Here here brother, i think the diamond looks ridiculous and is the sole reason i won't buy a pair of stingray boot, i feel once they paint that diamond on there it ruins the hide
Thanks !!!!: )
Looks better without the white diamond
I make straps and used the white diamond for a band it cheapens the look to me check out my work on instagram scrapstraps
are you thinking about selling woman's products?