I know when you get something that last good while might think it was a good deal but good leather should last 20 years im old and have learned that always shop hard for anything that cost that much
I have the extra large briefcase from Saddleback and I absolutely love it!! I bought it about 7 years ago and I've used it for college. It still looks as good today as the day I bought it. It was pricey, but I feel it was still a great investment.
You made some excellent points but I’d love to see an update to this video. 11:05 - your 1945 option is now almost $700 (more expensive than a same sized saddleback) 11:30 - that briefcase is now almost $700 (more expensive than a same sized saddleback) 12:10 - Marlondo? Didn’t you criticize Saddleback earlier in the video for not being “made in the USA?” (4:07) Marlondo is manufactured in China; per their own website: “All of our products are made in our own workshop in…north central China near Xi'an.” 13:02 - that moosebrand briefcase is the same price but the saddleback XL’s briefcase price is now almost $100 less at $689.
I bought my Saddleback XL briefcase in 2009. I still love it- it has aged beautifully and I can attest to the durability and craftsmanship having dragged it through canyons and cities alike all over the world. That said, I can't understand the price hikes. I'm priced out. You're assessment is fair. My sister has bought Saddleback in the last couple of years and the product doesn't seem as tough as what I got 10+ years ago.
Generally speaking, you do only have two options, either chrome or veg tanned leather. There are other natural methods. Veg tanned leather is the only real choice for hand tooled anything on your product. Veg tanned leather isn't as soft and supple "out of the box" unless it has been split to a very small weight (thickness) and conditioned heavily. Chrome tanned leather is a garment or upholstery grade leather. For briefcases, it means that the leather is weaker than its veg tanned counterpart. The chrome tanning process is much harsher on the hide, the result is that the fibers in the hide are much looser (weaker) than their veg tanned counterparts. The chrome tanning process can be highly toxic and the hides themselves can cause irritation if the haven't been properly neutralized at the tannery. If you have skin issues or tend to sweat a lot, it is probably a good idea to avoid a great deal of exposure to unlined chrome tanned leather. Chrome tanned leathers will damage metal and other materials over time unless the bag is lined with the proper material (holsters and knife sheaths are made with veg tanned leather). It can be very difficult to determine the difference between chrome tanned and imitation leather. Lined imitation leather is about impossible to to to distinguish from chrome tanned leather. Imitation leather is very weak, buyer beware! The "Real Leather" tag or stamp is completely meaningless, you want full grain or at least top grain leather. Suede is weaker than top grain leather. The bottom grain fibers are looser than the top grain fibers. Chrome tanned leather is actually cheaper than veg tanned leather, the beg tanning process is more expensive. Hand saddle stitched, while expensive, will outlast machine stitched products AND will not unravel if a stitch gets cut. Another option is to contact a maker in your local market instead of the mass market options. For about the same prices, you can have it made to your specific needs. They can also produce the the matching accessories that can be difficult to find.
You did piss me off... but the more I learn you are right. I love having a brand or stretch marks on the bag, doesn’t bother me one bit, but you shouldn’t pay extra for it, you should pay less. You are also right about vegetable tan. I learned that after getting into leatherworking myself. Thanks for your research, maybe Dave will pull his head out and fix it. Much love for him and all he has done.
Carl, I am now a subscriber. Everything you said here was spot on and it's the first time I have seen one of your video's, well done. If you maintain truth and honesty to this level unlike some of the other fan boy reviewers, then you will do well.
Thank you for this thoughtful response. Its an older video but the first time I ever made a "neagative" review. Since then I've certainly tried to maintain a neutral position, but admittedly my excitement can sometimes show if I really like a product. Regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to comment and subscribe. Don't be a stranger, I can definitely use someone to keep me in line!
Purchased a Marlondo after doing tons of research. I asked both companies for information about their leather and watched tons of reviews. Saddleback took about a week to even respond to my questions. The owner of Marlondo contacted me same day and emailed me a very detailed email about their products. I immediately bought their Double Space Briefcase and love it. Great video.
@@CarlMurawski I second Marlondo Leather. Great products and customer service. Every single person who saw my wallets from Marlondo loved it. My go to play now to buy gifts for my friends haha.
You confirmed what I suspected about Saddleback. I can see where a person would like the aesthetic of the brands being visible and I could see it as an option but I wouldn't want it on something I take to work. The custom Hide 1945 is the ticket for me.....someday. Thanks
+Joshua Soojian that's my choice too, in fact I've been carrying it for over a year every single day. I'll get in touch with Custom Hide and try to get my hands on another one for a giveaway. Maybe you'll win it!
I definitely understand your points and they are all valid in my opinion. When I started looking for a leather bag I landed on Saddleback and after about a year of research I decided to buy one used off Ebay for half the price of a new one. I must say I think I lucked out with the price and overall quality. That said, I don't see myself ever buying a new full priced product from them.
From what I understand the Lafarc tannery is where SBL sources their leather and is a huge supplier to other brands as well (Thursday Boots). Is there any leatherworker you like specifically?
Thanks dude. Was loving the Saddleback look, but after your vids and a bunch of other research, went with Marlondo and am very pleased. You saved me a ton.
All perfectly reasonable arguments, but I'm now seeing their competition raising their prices as well. Personally, I'm just glad that high quality craftsmanship is still available at all.
Very much agree with your assessment. Yes, I too wanted one of Saddleback but not any more, too expensive. For my briefcase I have two Hartmann, one 4 inch tradition leather briefcase, the other Hartmann a narrow tweed sided briefcase. Received many compliments on both. FYI, please I beg you, cut back on the music; it is difficult understanding you over the music. Though I very much think your video’s are extremely informative, the music is a major problem. Now when I see a video you created I start it, when I hear the music I close it down. Mr. Muraski, cut out the music we came to hear you not fight the music.
Thank you for this!!! I love the style of Saddleback briefcases but I can't imagine getting possibly a brand new one with a giant scar/brand on the front-they're supposed to be "rugged," yes, but I should hope that any marks would come from natural wear-and-tear and not just shoddy production.
I bought Saddleback's Classic Briefcase 7-8 years ago. I've used it nearly every day since then, including some pretty rough use and lots of travel, but it still looks great and is in excellent condition. Too bad about the price increase, though. I've never seen a bag I like better, but the Marlondo bags look like they might be a contender.
Saddleback owner here from back in the day when their shit was still amazing. And I do mean amazing. Mine and my husband’s bags are about 10 years old. I’ve since seen one in the wild about 3 years ago. I immediately recognized the style and got a closer look. Got caught looking so had to comment, hey is that a SBL? Oh yeah they were pleases to be recognized with said monster bag. I was so sad for this person. Comparatively it was crap. Quality of leather just down the shitter. I was also aware they’d really bumped up their pricing structure so was doubly cringing inside knowing this person had forked over a mortgage payment for that crappy ass bag. I’ll forever keep mine. It gets cycled with my others. It and their pricing was what jumped me into making my own leather products. Been at it about as long as I’ve had my SBL and have gotten decent. Enough that family receives nice leather gifts these days. It’s expensive af for a hobby but it’s hella cheaper than therapy!!
I have the SBL tote, can't recall the name, and the big wallet. I purchased both from Dave's deal several years ago. I just purchased the big mouth backpack. I frequent the site regularly, however, the site has fallen off. I don't see the bags I purchased several years back. Actually, I don't see anything that has caught my eye. Now, the site isn't worth visiting. Until they get more items, I'll stay away for a while. Hopefully, Dave watches these videos and go back to how things were.
Hey, tone down your arrogance, ok? Sure, maybe you got an item that was better quality but that doesn't mean you should be belittling others. If that person is happy with it, then leave them alone. You don't have to feel sorry for them.
I was in the process to buy saddleback and ready sent an email to them since my hometown not America. Saddleback is my dreamy bag since 2009 back then, but the cost was high for a college student like me, but I still want it and saving some money from my part time job but it still can't buy it. The price is rising from time to time, and when I have much money to finally ready have my dream bag I found your channel. After watching it I turned back and just try to find local craftsman leather on my hometown to custom a bag for me, and also I can help the local economy by buying from them since it still pandemic. Thanks brother.
I enjoyed the video, it's good to see what people are looking for in a leather product. My wife and I started a small side gig making leather goods, and your video is a good start to reach a goal to keep customers. Awesome job Thank you.
I enjoyed your video very much. I admit that I own a few SBL products (was actually cleaning my front pocket briefcase while watching the video), but that doesn't mean that I didn't take your opinion into consideration. Fortunately, all of the products that I own were purchased before the price increase, so I'm glad that I own items that still had quality to them. Regardless, I will look into the options that you provided. Thank you.
It sounds like you got in while the gettin’ was good. Back then SBL was a good value, and they may very well last you for a lifetime. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
You'll definitely get a lot of criticism from the die-hards. The quality has definitely dropped (leather and build quality). SBL has also given me some issues in regards to poorly built bags. Glad you voiced your opinions and you made a lot of valid points. Thanks for sharing!
Not only is the bags are poorly made, the site hardly has anything worth buying. What happened to most of the items? The site looks a lil naked. However, I've recently purchased the big mouth backpack. I hope I haven't wasted $599 on a bag that's poorly made.
Just picked up another SBL medium tobacco Waterbag for $711 last night on eBay, waiting with unbridled joy to receive it. Yes, there is a difference between actual value and perceived value from a customer’s point of view--and Dave has the right to be profitable (just like you and I) and I support that.....but I will research your recommended brand and will post its quality. I love quality in all my purchases. Keep up the good work!
Just finished watching a nice backpack video from Saddleback and was all excited for it and then this video pops up next! Thanks for the info and I'm investigating the other options you listed as well as Saddleback still since I do like their look. I have to keep my dream of being Indiana Jones alive.
Haha, I love that! We’re all just trying to be Indy at heart. If you’re looking for a backpack that’s everything Saddleback claims to be, check out Thrux Lawrence.
Buddy, I am so glad I found you. You are absolutely spot on. I have several items from Saddleback Leather--bought most when it was a decent price (still expensive IMHO) and the prices now are outrageous. Dave must think we are a bunch of idiots. I refuse to buy anymore items from them--very disappointed w/his inflated prices. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for the comment! I’ve taken my fair share of heat after releasing this video, both from people with legitimate points and fanboys alike. Yet I still stand by my opinions and it seems the majority agree with the points I’ve brought to light. Thank you for watching and taking the time to share your thoughts!
All good points and you seem fair. That said, I love my square backpack. Just love the look. Expensive? Yea. But..., Mine looks great. Just my opinion.
I own many Saddleback pieces. I have a large classic briefcase in coffee brown, a satchel in tobacco, a big leather wallet in tobacco and an old bull belt in black. I bought all these before that price increase. Even then, I hummed and hawed quite a bit, trying to find alternatives (read cheaper) bags elsewhere. However, back then (we're talking about 5-6 years ago) there were none. At least, none that I knew of. Even Saddleback was hardly known. I was thinking of buying a leather backpack. I want to thank you for turning me onto Marlondo bags. They are beautiful, use better leather and have that rugged styling that I like. My next leather piece will not be a Saddleback. I love my Saddleback pieces, but they were expensive, even then, and that price hike across the board did leave a very bitter taste in my mouth. Like everything else, popularity and demand raised the prices, and seemingly, drove down the quality as well.
It sounds like you got in while it was still good, but I agree with you about Marlondo. Plus the fact that they offer vegetable tanned and buffalo leather now as an option is really enticing. In fact I just ordered a single space briefcase in tobacco veg tan for myself!
I understand where this vid is coming from. And I decided that I’m over with Saddleback too but then I saw their Flight Bag just recently and made an order with an early bird discount.
I am buying one too. Phenomenal. And I own very nice hand made 100% veg tan leather bags made in the US. It's nice to have several options for the work day
You can't get real full grain leather without some scarring and marks - if you want a clean perfect surface that's personal preference and theres nothing wrong with that. However, coming from a leatherworker, I personally love those marks. They are part of the life of the animal that your bag came from and I see that as a beautiful thing. Also, just because they chrome tan their leather doesn't mean it's so much worse than veg tanned leather - both will last your entire life if not longer if done right. I do agree with many of your points about SBL as a business but some of your points were just very specific preferences about what you want in leather and people should be able to maked up their own minds about those kinds of things.
You’re right, full grain does have its imperfections and as a leatherworker I’m sure you know that the hides are given a grade based on their imperfections. This is why companies like Marlondo offer their imperfect hide bags at a steep discount, and as you said there is a market for it. I’d just prefer to have a blank canvas for my own patina, the same reason I don’t care for pre-distressed jeans. Looking back I did neglect to mention the advantages of chrome tanning over vegetable tanning and wish I had. Remember that the name of this video is why I’ll never buy anSaddleback briefcase and all of these reasons are my own preferences. There’s something about vegetable tanned leather I love- the way it breaks in, the way it darkens and carmelizes with use, the way the edges can be burnished. To me it’s the best thing until I can afford a shell cordovan bag! These are all just personal preferences, and I’m happy to discuss the pros and cons with people who understand the medium of leather such as yourself. What I’m not tolerant of is price gouging and cash grabbing tactics that prey on people who buy a product based on a name brand they trust. This video isn’t for anyone who’ve already drank the SBL cool-aid, it’s for those who are trying to choose the best value and get the best bang for their buck. I’d be very interested to see your work, and since this video gets a lot of traffic I invite you to leave a link to leave a link so people can see more. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Just because soething is given a grade based on visual impurities, though, does not necissarily mean that the leather itself suffers in quality - branding and scarring do not hurt the integrity of the leather. But you're right, at the end of the day it's how you use the leather, whether including imperfections or using clean surface. With jeans it's the same way, although I wouldn't consider scarring equivalent to pre-destress, it would be more like buying a bag that already had patina. The price gauging is not the right way, there should be more transparency maybe about their decisions regarding those prices. I have never bought or used a SBL product, and likely won't, but I do think that there are much worse businesses haha. Also here's my website: KaiHuggins.com lemme know what you think
New England Style Consulting Shell Cordovan bag!! $4000+ easy, more if that Wisconsin company makes it (can’t recall the name of the company), but the hardware and everything would be 🤮. Great dream...
I have 6 of SBL's products: 2 wallets, 1 notepad holder, Moleskine cover, Bible cover and large front pocket back pack. I have to say that I do like them but 2 things that I don't care for is the weight and the price. I got all of my stuff pre-2015 and I talked myself into spending the money. My wife thought that I was crazy buying that backpack. The 1 product that I considered to be their best product was a small Bible cover with a drawstring but they discontinued it. Now they sell separate books of the Bible as a stitched book, to me, that is just someone trying to make a few dollars... or a lot of dollars. I use to brag on them but most people I know, can't afford their products.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this video!! I was set on buying a Saddleback leather briefcase, but I didn't know anything about all that you brought up. So informative and I'm very glad it steered (no pun intended) me away from Saddleback. I'm also glad you pointed me toward Custom Hide 1945 and their beautiful bags and briefcases! I never would've known they existed otherwise and that's where I'm buying my briefcase!
I thought this video would offend me --being I own a lot of Saddleback products from briefcases and duffle bags to other accessories. With that said, instead..... I'm grateful you posted these comments. I found your analysis and commentary to be objective, constructive criticism. I like my Saddleback products but am going to consider your recommendations because I don't believe your intention is anything beyond being HELPFUL and HONEST. So for that, I offer my thanks and compliments for taking the time to share these details. I don't entirely agree with how Dave is choosing to run Saddleback -- making products in Mexico for example. I also think you're correct -- the pricing is too high. However, I do like the style and construction that Saddleback offers. Lastly, maybe Dave would do better by laying off on the swanky Africa trips, lowering his price points, and decrease his high profit greediness by having more regard for the people paying to support his company. I will say, if he continues increasing prices, he'll have one less customer with me!
Colonel Littleton bags are outstanding. I have two of them from years ago, and they look great, have weathered incredibly well, I have one for 17 years. However, the prices are crazy high. If I am going to pay as much as Saddleback charges, I'd get American Made.
Yea you may get some criticism but you will also gain respect from others for telling it like it is, and that is more important for someone who does these kinds of reviews. I'll take the honest man's opinion any day.
Hi, I enjoy your videos and I appreciate your opinion on this, but some of the information you provided on the topic seems to be incomplete. I have no affiliation with saddleback, but I'm an engineer and I enjoy doing extensive research before making a purchase! From my research what you refer to as a "decrease in quality" is a response to early customer complaints that the bags were much too heavy and un-wearable. The leather is still the same quality full grain leather just about 2mm thinner. Also the material of the hardware has been upgraded to (type 304) stainless steel which is substantially more expensive and resistant to corrosion than the nickel plated metal previously used. This combats the thought that there is an attempt to cut costs. The chrome tanned vs vegetable tanned leather discussion is purely a matter of aesthetic preference. I understand that the owner aesthetically prefers chrome tanned leather, but the company has also recently sold limited runs of vegetable tanned leather bags for prices less than the chrome tanned bags. I'm guessing because the veg tanned bags did not require a pigskin lining. Also I have found that Saddleback has been transparent about their prices, and the reason for the increase. They provided advanced notice to all customers that the increase was happening. Unfortunately I was not able to save up for a bag before the price increase... but I am glad to know that the majority of their profits go towards ministry and charity work in Rwanda and Mexico. I hope this provides a little bit of balance on the issues you mentioned. Have a blessed day!
That's whats confusing, the explanation Dave gave was that he didn't realize he was under charging and the price increase would let them put more money into trying new bags. I call BS.
Saddleback Leather pays their workers better than the average, a living wage , they have child care, schooling for older kids teaching them English, cafeteria , they care for the people that work for them in ways that most companies don't here because of the cost etc. You could look at this as better than foreign aid & it keeps them from becoming illegals here because their lives are exponentially improved over the average.
The background music is from a site called Epidemic Sound, but I forgot the name of the track. As far as leather jackets go I'm partial to Himel Brothers Leather, but I was also really impressed by a jacket from The Real McCoy I tried recently. A bit more affordable is Schott Bros. NYC, and the leather jackets from Satchel and Page (which fit a bit on the slim side). Finally, I've heard nothing but good things about the leather jackets from Wested Co. but haven't tried them for myself yet. I hope this helps!
First hand experience here with Ruitertassen (Thanks again!) and the quality is simply amazing. I can't imagine another brand doing it better, and if they did, not enough to justify several hundred dollars more. Designer and other fashion house brands are a different story, and we can argue forever over whether or not their prices are justified, but if you're a brand going for that bare bones, everyman look, you just have to be more fair in your pricing.
@kshiftkometh yes. I can't believe I paid over $20,000 for their pvc bags. Yes, there's some leather added to their items, but, overall, the Bags are mainly composed of pvc.
Carl, Thank you! I watched this video probably 10 times and ended up Getting a Marlando instead of Saddleback. I absolutely love it! I am now subscribed! Love the videos, keep em coming!!!
Classic Briefcase - Limited Run of Vintage Tobacco Cowhide- I was lucky and scooped the last one. I love the look and feel of it but I am def. interested in the vegetable tanned leather, to be honest I will most likely get another one :-) you are right- bang for buck, you can't beat Marlando!!! Thanks from Canada!!!
Excellent presentation! I bought a briefcase from saddleback, before the price hike and it's ok, but it has some design flaws. Now they're way overpriced, and, as you point out, they're not a luxury brand, not even close. Thanks for the alternative options list.
Carl, I came across this video because I want to buy the saddlebacks tote bag. I respect your honestly and will checkout the other companies for tote bags. (No promises though) thank you so much for giving me more options
For what its worth, I just bought my wife a large tote bag from Basader. It's going to be tan Essex leather with purple edges, and made entirely by one woman in New Hampshire for under $300.00!
I'm a leathersmith and veg tan is the only way to go, it is fully customizable for color and much more. As far as marks, stretch marks are one thing, but the range marks (brands and such) are only included if they are requested!!! I talk at length with my clients and take several weeks just to design exactly what they would like. Yes, real handmade, leather bags are expensive they can take 100s of hours to make (especially if they are hand cut and sewn)... But if you are working with the right leathersmith, you will get everything you want, and amazing quality!
This is a 2 year old video. They've taken heed to some of the criticism and have really improved the leather, namely the DCB color. If you're looking for rugged, SBL is the best there is. You can join a Facebook group and buy used to save some money, or look for a Dave's Deal on their site.
Saw one. Thought I'd like one. Saw the video on the build. Realized I could make my own for 1/4 the cost. So I did. Now we make our own bags. Funny thing about the brands, my wife adores those, I prefer clean nice veg tan hides.
Thank you, Carl. You have just saved me hundreds of dollars. It's awesome that you're friends with Daver from Fragrance Bros. I've been watching (lurking) his channel since the early days when Jeremy was a regular.
The only thing I disagree with is the branding and scars. I know this is super objective but I like the imperfections. Price increasing and quality drop is a huge turnoff though. Your video is spot on
Great opinion and thoughts. I purchased my saddleback leather large briefcase in 2007 winter for $398 including free shipping. I should've gotten medium size instead of large but back then price difference was mere $50. I still have it and still love it but only for what I paid for. Would I pay $600~$800 for the same bag that I bought? I don't know. I don't think I would if it's twice the price I paid for. I still believe saddleback leather makes great durable well designed product. But I do agree with you on "value" part of the product. Thanks for the review.
Thank you for the review! I am now a subscriber. I researched them and came to many of the conclusions you have in this great video. I ended up ordering a Polare with the same look and great quality for under $200. I have traveled with it to Spain for work 6 times and it has been great! Thank you for these great reviews!
The bags with full grain thick leather are heavy. And to use grain corrected leather which has had the imperfections removed and is thinner makes for a product that people want. As to the price increase. Well they realized people will pay the upcharge. Have you seen the price on 6" boots lately? A boot chicago company who outsources their boots charges what Nicks charges for fire jumper boots.
@@bayareaartist999 The White Boot company in Spokane Washington, has been making smoke jumper boots for probably 150+ years. My father bought a pair from the man that owned the company- Otto White. They have been rebuilt a few times. Even rebuilt to fit me. They are 70 years old, and have been taken care of. I rarely wear them, as I don't fight fires in North Carolina. When dad was around, and we lived out there,;that was the best boot to actually work in, that this country made. Many , many makers have copied Otto's designs. They came with a stacked heel on them, that looked a bit strange. Once you wore the boot awhile, you understood the heel had a purpose, totally unrelated to " looks" . They became comfortable to wear.. When Otto died, he left the company to the existing employees. I can't speak about today's operation at all. Simply because I have no contact. It may be exactly the same folks, getting to own some of the company by being a tenured employee. I can also speak some about Obenauf's Leather oils, and their heavier stuff. It is all non toxic, made from natural preservatives. Why is that important ? The lady that is part owner, said she gets calls all the time , from folks in a panic , that say the dog found an open can, or jar, and ate some of it. It doesn't hurt the dog. No need to go to the vet. It will "pass through the dog" . The company is located out West ( Idaho) where they really have fires. Their products are for leather that spends it's life in Mud, rain, deep ashes. It keeps the leather from drying out, and cracking. Finally, I have never worked for either company, and do not have friends there. I am offering truthful information, based upon my experience. I have put Obenauf's on leather hats, on expensive motorcycle jackets. ( Yes, I am a biker , since 1970) . gloves, shoes. For me, their stuff works. I am not someone that worries about impressing others. I just want the product to do what it states it will do--- Both Obenauf's, and White's boots. When my White boots were purchased, they only had one "grade" of boot. Today, I think they have more than one grade. I can tell you that mine are heavy. They are heavy when brand new. Incidentally, they make their best boot, to fit YOUR foot, not someone else's foot. They use to have you make a pattern of both of your feet. So it is normal for them to make two different sized boots, if your feet are different sized. Seriously. Who else does that , with work boots.? The wax-like Obenauf's is essentially the same thing as the heavy oil. It just goes on like paste car wax. In the sun, for awhile, it soaks into the leather. Feel free to be critical. Best of luck.
Hey man, I'm quite sad that Saddleback has declined to this state. Bought a bunch of products pre-2015 and was interested in purchasing again, but have to look elsewhere after some research. Do you have a new link to the price comparisons? the google drive is not found. Thanks so much for sharing!
Hey man, thanks for the comment. It looks like they’re in the process of restructuring and adding/removing product. They recently added a new slim briefcase with some decent additions. I still think their price is too high, but people will vote with their wallets. I’ll need to check out that Google doc and why it’s not working...
Thanks for the quick reply! Saddleback has really changed since I've last bought their products a few years ago. Just glad I got my bags when quality was of caliber. After rummaging through the site, I still want a few more, but am extremely hesitant from all the negative feedback recently. Wish they had an official store where I can physically ensure the quality before throwing my dosh at them. If you get the google doc working again, please let me know! I found another source, but would appreciate your input as well. Cheers!
I travel a lot - US, Europe, Mexico - by plane, car, train, walking. I have a strong interest in the travel bags I use. I’ve had a chance to own a Saddleback bag and have considered buying more for travel use. Great design, like the color choices, and the associated travel fantasies fed by Dave and buyers add to perceived value. But the reality is they are way to heavy. If you’re 20, lugging the weight is not a problem. But as I aged, I started following the general rule for pack weight which is hump not more than 10% of your body weight. I bought other bags.
Thank you! I've been debating between a Saddleback or a Custom hide briefcase for my husband. Fortunately prefers the style of the Custom Hide Scholar Three Compartment w/ Pockets. Decision made.
Just purchased the Saddleback $315 satchel that fits a laptop perfect and it’s amazing. Custom hides comparable options all run $420+. At least on that product saddleback was better priced and super rugged.
Is it really true that Saddleback leather is now inferior to what was produced years ago? I have older Saddleback bags purchased from eBay and newer bags as well. Although I like Saddleback I have other products too (SAB, Ghurka). I mention this to show that although I ‘m not committed to Saddleback alone I don’t see the difference in quality others see. What am I missing? Are any of the negative comments based on actual data or just personal impressions? Is Dave really using cheaper leather and hardware?
I haven’t seen a really good side by side comparison with old SBL and new, but the theory of inferior quality is pretty widespread. Back in the glory days of SBL you could really get a nice product for a decent price, and I think this where their brand loyalty comes from. I’d love to hear other people’s experience though, as I can’t really speak to any Saddleback products besides the ones I’ve tried.
Thanks for the video. I was thinking about getting the 'tank' backpack. Can you tell me how much this item increased in price as the link to the excel document no longer works. Also, can you recommend a better replacement as I have looked at all the links you gave and can't find anything similar.
It amazing how many people and leather companies have emailed me, thanking me for speaking the truth. A lot of guys don’t want to chance upsetting a company in fear of losing out on “influencer deals”. I’m happy I could be of help, a few other brands I’ve really become fond of lately: Satchel and Page, Basader, and Mascon Leather. Happy hunting!
+Robert Messenger Definitely, Buffalo Jackson is a really cool company, in fact I was very close to pulling the trigger on their limited edition briefcase with the orange stitching. Solid value, especially their bison stuff.
Just returned a Buffalo Jackson briefcase. We are partly to blame; it was too small & we should have known that. However, the bag had a strong chemical smell.
Basically, what you're going to get from a Buffalo Jackson bag is something very close in style and quality to Saddleback (Full grain leather, chrome tanned, made in Mexico, same level of craftsmanship), but for about 1/3 the price. I was originally looking at Saddleback because their aesthetic matches my own, but I pulled the trigger on a Buffalo Jackson and couldn't be happier.
Thank for your video. I bought two bags, the new flight bag and the Indiana. The flight bag is perfect for a up to a three day travel bag where everything fits, your computer phone and iPad, papers and clothes. That’s being said, i have recently been using this bag for everyday use in order to break it in. It’s just to big for that. I am a gay man from Texas, 5’8” and most of the bags are just too much. To much everything. The sizes and price are way too big and the bags have no finesse. That being said it’s built like a tank, I feel it will out live me. But I too have yet to find a better business type leather bag that isn’t a briefcase and fits my height and sensibilities. I feel like I’m putting on a “show” when I carry SBL.
Wow, very excellent points! I chose Saddleback as a top quality briefcase company I would later buy when I am further in my career and making more money, but your arguments have definitely made me rethink that!
I have owned the thin front pocket briefcase in dark coffee brown for about a month and a half now, it's been on 6 planes already and I paid $718 for it (including 2 day shipping because I needed it fast). To be perfectly honest with you, I find the build of this bag to be quite something... I am by no means a fanboy and I will point out something wrong if I see it, but honestly this bag is built like a freaken tank. I have had moments of second guessing myself when I see so many other amazing brands and beautiful briefcases out there and wonder if I'd be better off with one of the other amazing bags, such as the Moose Brand messenger which I've seen a couple of great reviews on. Either way, I see your points and I get that your main beef with SBL is the way they price their products, but I think no one can deny that their bags are built to last, and the $718 I paid for my briefcase although perhaps a bit overpriced, I know it's a product that will last me forever and not to mention I absolutely love the look of it, the feel of it, even the sound of it when I put it down.
+Max Valentine it sounds like you're very happy with your purchase, and in the end "value" is totally dependent on the user. You're absolutely correct, my issue is with their using branded or scarred leather (increasing efficiency) while charging more. Thank you for sharing, I'm always interested in hearing all sides of an issue!
My wife got me one as a gift some years back. It was OK but not great. Worth $200 at most--returned it. Never found a leather case I really liked. I found the best solution to the business case issue--retirement lol.
suburban sentinel I’m just starting a business making custom bags brief cases and any case using the customers ideas; they want to see in a bag. This is a new effort. I’ve been repairing LV and about everyone else’s bags for quite awhile now and decided to start my own brand called “THE MARINERS “ ”brand with a sea turtle as the logo since I’m a retiring commercial diver.
I agree with you on a lot of things and most of them can't be disputed. But what brings people to buy certain products is people buy what they like. Not getting down into numbers or where it's made from but the bottom line is Dave have products people like. It's no different from what Apple computer company is doing. You have a lot of great computers companies out there but Apple seems to catch the buyers eye with their products. I particular like Saddleback Mountainback line. Again, a lot of good companies out there produce canvas and leather products (backpacks in this case) that's a third of the cost than Saddleback. I just so happen like Saddleback better not to mention the 100-year warranty I as of yet to find with other companies. Thanks for the video.
Very good points and well stated. One thing I'd like to add is that this 100 year warranty is simply a good catch phrase and marketing tool. Chances are that SBL won't even be around in 100 years and I don't see how this is much superior to a lifetime warranty. I get what they're after though, and it gets the point across nicely.
I couldn’t agree with you more. Bought Satchel and Page based on one of your other reviews and couldn’t be happier. Using distressed parts of leather remind me of those cheap leather briefcases in airline magazines that use scraps to construct the product.
Raising prices is not "ripping people off." You are not privy to what expenses they may have had which increased on their end; rent, labor, insurance, new equipment, expansion, loss of supplier, etc. It is a victim mindset to feel this way. The free market, with supply and demand is great because if people pay the price you charge, the market is bearing your pricing structure. You should have bought the bag when it was cheaper rather than insult the company for having a profit-based business. You come off as whining. Not trying to be insulting, just sharing my perspective as you shared yours. Cheers.
I purchased 2 Sbl bags, 1 wallet and coin purse from dave deals. I'm glad I purchased them 5 or more years ago when the bags still had the removable pig skin liner. I was looking at their site this morning and was about to make a purchase, but hesitated. Glad I did. If the quality is no longer there, I not going to waste my money.
Customhide is a really a wonderful company and represents a great value for what you are getting. For me, made in America of inferior quality is shameful but made in America with craftsmanship deserves recognition . MANY companies now just leave the edge of the leather unfinished or coat it with a rubber liquid which over time cracks and looks ugly. The edges of Customhide products are fully leather wrapped and this takes not only more time sewing and skiving (thinning) the leather but also enhances both durability and aesthetics. The best leathergoods company in the past 30 years has always been Ghurkha by Marley Hodgson. His products represent the best combination of savoire faire from design, durability to aesthetics. Customhide may very well be following in that tradition. Made in America, made to last.
Agreed, of all the bags I've tested the Custom Hide is my favorite. It combines the best of all the things I like at a reasonable price, and might very well be the best deal going at the moment!
Man! Good call; I kept hunting for a couple of hours after watching your video and leaving my original comment and I eventually landed on the Weekender Duffle from Marlondo as a far better option. Not just in price but in design as well. If the Saddleback was a ~$350-400 piece, then fair enough, but for the business end of $800? No. That's a bridge too far. And again, thanks for the video and thanks for the reply. Sub'd.
Same issues but on messengers and backpacks. I have a channel with many SBL unboxing videos... I own very little SBL products now. I do like their canvas lineup and ordered a backpack recently... it is a gamble. I like the designs, just not the build quality. Keeping my fingers crossed. Most of the materials are quality... craftsmanship is hit or miss. What they call characteristics for hand-made products is an excuse for poor quality control.
I make custom leather goods. I don't even try to compete with foreign made leather goods due to I am a 1 man shop & I cannot buy the materials at the cost that the big companies do. I also do everything by hand with the exception of stitching. And I do offer hand stitching at an additional cost. I also will not try to compete with the foreign labor wages. But I always use top grade leather. Top grade leather will be very clean leather & not have any brands & crap like that on a side of leather. If there were a brand on it I would cut it out & throw it aside. I always give a customer the best leather available as I would want it myself. Brands may look ok to some but most don't want them. That is just screwing the customer forcing them to buy products with brands. That would be used only if someone ask for it in a custom made good. Brands are usually on 2nd & 3rd grades of leather which is a cheaper priced leather.
I purchased their older style extra large brief case about 7/8 years ago as one of Dave's deals. I think I paid $478. Id call it a saddle bag with a handle, and straps.
Sounds like you got a smokin deal!!! If the prices were still in that range I’d reassess my opinion of SBL. My objection is less with the product and more with the business practices.
I just bought a medium-sized Saddleback classic briefcase in chestnut during their 15% off anniversary sale. It has no brandings or any other discolorations or scars that I can see. I need to buy another briefcase in black and I'd like to try a different company, perhaps one of the companies that you suggest. However, I need a briefcase with silver metal, because I wear a silver wedding band, silver belt buckles, and silver watches. As far as I can tell, all the other companies you recommend have brass/gold-colored metal. There is, however, a company you don't mention that has the same style of briefcase with silver metal, and that's Vagabond Traveler. Unfortunately, though, they don't have bags in black! So, as of right now, it looks like I'll be buying another Saddleback if I want that style of briefcase in black with silver metal.I appreciate you describing the issues you have with SB, which if I understand correctly comes down to four things: 1) Chrome-tanned leather, 2) brands and other imperfections, 3) made in Mexico, and 4) price. Do those other brands you recommend have the 100-year warranty? If my SB bag(s) break 30-years from now, you can bet I'll be going to the company to get them replaced. Just a final thought, you don't need to have the background music in the video, as it's a little distracting.
I’ve owned SBL bags for 10 years now. One consideration that bears mentioning - they offer a 100 year warranty on their products. I’ve used their repair service (no charge, and they paid for shipping) for a backpack strap that came apart due to metal fatigue. What I got back was even better than the original. So this may be a ‘buy once, cry once’ type of situation. My $0.02
+Matt McLean Much appreciated, the intent isn’t to hate but it seems like a few people took it that way. SBL used to make great products but now make only good products at an inflated rate. Maybe they’ll find their way again someday.
Really helpful video, thank you. I am in that saddleback "gotta have it" mindset but this video was very helpful and very true. Hey do you review drums as I see what might be a sweet looking set behind you. Thanks for great videos!
@@BMWI-gk9wh saddleback has competition. I have two Sbl bags. One wallet and a Sbl coin purse. I, also, have a leather bag that I purchased in Greenwich village in New York city. The bag from the village gives my Sbl bags a run for their money.
I have a Saddleback messenger bag that I absolutely love, but my needs have changed since I got it so I'm starting to look around for a new bag. I checked out some of the bags you recommend at the company website (I prefer to buy directly from a manufacturer as opposed to a reseller/distributor) and everything at Ruitertassen, literally every single item I clicked on, is listed as Discontinued. Really like some of the Custom Hide bags. As far as Saddleback goes and the point of the video, I have a few things from them in addition to my messenger bag that I'm really happy with, but overall I definitely agree with you that they're overpriced (hence one of the biggest reasons why I'm looking around at other manufacturers instead of getting another Saddleback). Things are still built like a tank though. Saying their quality isn't as good as it used to be is like saying "that 2015 Ferrari isn't as fast as that 2018 Lamborghini." True as it may be, it's still pretty good. Good video though. Definitely going to seriously consider a couple of those other companies.
I followed up with Ruitertassen about this and it looks like they’re going through a website overhaul but suggest you email them directly. Custom Hide is outstanding and what I use on a daily basis, I really can’t say enough about their quality. Another brand I foolishly neglected to mention is Basader out of Bew Hampshire, it’s one craftswoman who has a very minimalist approach. She can make anything you can imagine and it’s really nice to talk directly to whoever is actually making your bag or briefcase. Good luck on your search, there are so many excellent brands out there with an open and honest approach to go with their superior products. Check back in and let me know what you get!
New England Style Consulting I checked out all of those companies you mentioned, plus a couple of others. I narrowed it down to either a Custom Hide Ranger Front Pocket, or a Basader The Classic. I really wanted the extra front pockets of the Custom Hide bag, but I think I'm going to contact Basader and see if they will make me a Classic with 3" compartments. It has everything I want except the front pockets, but the bags are just absolutely beautiful! And I love the little documentary you did about the shop and how everything is done by hand and how meticulous she is. If she'll make the bag a little larger for me (I carry a 17" laptop plus a bunch of other stuff) I'm doing that. Otherwise I'll probably get the Custom Hide Ranger. Either way I'm sure I'll get a great bag. Thanks for putting your videos together...I watched a bunch of them!
Awesome! Thank you! Elin over at Basader is really incredible, she will make you anything you can imagine. Make sure you tell her I referred you, who knows? Maybe you’ll get a free keychain out of it!
Thank you. This was helpful. I recently saw saddleback but was turned off by the price. I like the options you listed. Especially Marlando Leather has some very good options.
Dude, I know it may be controversial but your dead on with your assessments! Well done video man!
+Ordinarily Dapper I expected that going in, but people need to know the truth!
Thanks for the kind words brother.
I know when you get something that last good while might think it was a good deal but good leather should last 20 years im old and have learned that always shop hard for anything that cost that much
The loud background music is killing me.
Put earplugs 🙉🫨👂🏾🦻🏾🎧♻️
I have the extra large briefcase from Saddleback and I absolutely love it!! I bought it about 7 years ago and I've used it for college. It still looks as good today as the day I bought it. It was pricey, but I feel it was still a great investment.
You made some excellent points but I’d love to see an update to this video.
11:05 - your 1945 option is now almost $700 (more expensive than a same sized saddleback)
11:30 - that briefcase is now almost $700 (more expensive than a same sized saddleback)
12:10 - Marlondo? Didn’t you criticize Saddleback earlier in the video for not being “made in the USA?” (4:07) Marlondo is manufactured in China; per their own website: “All of our products are made in our own workshop in…north central China near Xi'an.”
13:02 - that moosebrand briefcase is the same price but the saddleback XL’s briefcase price is now almost $100 less at $689.
His prices were way off. Not sure why the hate for Saddleback. I've been happy with every single purchase. No complaints. Even better as gifts.
Turn off the loud background music.
Lol Charles
I bought my Saddleback XL briefcase in 2009. I still love it- it has aged beautifully and I can attest to the durability and craftsmanship having dragged it through canyons and cities alike all over the world. That said, I can't understand the price hikes. I'm priced out. You're assessment is fair. My sister has bought Saddleback in the last couple of years and the product doesn't seem as tough as what I got 10+ years ago.
Good points, Carl. I got my bags a few years back so I'm happy with the goods. But I don't think I will buy from them again.
Generally speaking, you do only have two options, either chrome or veg tanned leather. There are other natural methods. Veg tanned leather is the only real choice for hand tooled anything on your product. Veg tanned leather isn't as soft and supple "out of the box" unless it has been split to a very small weight (thickness) and conditioned heavily. Chrome tanned leather is a garment or upholstery grade leather. For briefcases, it means that the leather is weaker than its veg tanned counterpart.
The chrome tanning process is much harsher on the hide, the result is that the fibers in the hide are much looser (weaker) than their veg tanned counterparts. The chrome tanning process can be highly toxic and the hides themselves can cause irritation if the haven't been properly neutralized at the tannery.
If you have skin issues or tend to sweat a lot, it is probably a good idea to avoid a great deal of exposure to unlined chrome tanned leather. Chrome tanned leathers will damage metal and other materials over time unless the bag is lined with the proper material (holsters and knife sheaths are made with veg tanned leather).
It can be very difficult to determine the difference between chrome tanned and imitation leather. Lined imitation leather is about impossible to to to distinguish from chrome tanned leather. Imitation leather is very weak, buyer beware! The "Real Leather" tag or stamp is completely meaningless, you want full grain or at least top grain leather.
Suede is weaker than top grain leather. The bottom grain fibers are looser than the top grain fibers.
Chrome tanned leather is actually cheaper than veg tanned leather, the beg tanning process is more expensive.
Hand saddle stitched, while expensive, will outlast machine stitched products AND will not unravel if a stitch gets cut.
Another option is to contact a maker in your local market instead of the mass market options. For about the same prices, you can have it made to your specific needs. They can also produce the the matching accessories that can be difficult to find.
You did piss me off... but the more I learn you are right. I love having a brand or stretch marks on the bag, doesn’t bother me one bit, but you shouldn’t pay extra for it, you should pay less. You are also right about vegetable tan. I learned that after getting into leatherworking myself. Thanks for your research, maybe Dave will pull his head out and fix it. Much love for him and all he has done.
Fair enough, and it's fair to give props to Dave for at least turning on more guys to leather goods.
Carl, I am now a subscriber. Everything you said here was spot on and it's the first time I have seen one of your video's, well done. If you maintain truth and honesty to this level unlike some of the other fan boy reviewers, then you will do well.
Thank you for this thoughtful response. Its an older video but the first time I ever made a "neagative" review. Since then I've certainly tried to maintain a neutral position, but admittedly my excitement can sometimes show if I really like a product. Regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to comment and subscribe. Don't be a stranger, I can definitely use someone to keep me in line!
Purchased a Marlondo after doing tons of research. I asked both companies for information about their leather and watched tons of reviews. Saddleback took about a week to even respond to my questions. The owner of Marlondo contacted me same day and emailed me a very detailed email about their products. I immediately bought their Double Space Briefcase and love it. Great video.
+Jeremy Breedlove Tim at Marlondo bends over backwards for his customers, thank you for bringing up another important point!
@@CarlMurawski I second Marlondo Leather. Great products and customer service. Every single person who saw my wallets from Marlondo loved it. My go to play now to buy gifts for my friends haha.
You confirmed what I suspected about Saddleback. I can see where a person would like the aesthetic of the brands being visible and I could see it as an option but I wouldn't want it on something I take to work. The custom Hide 1945 is the ticket for me.....someday. Thanks
+Joshua Soojian that's my choice too, in fact I've been carrying it for over a year every single day. I'll get in touch with Custom Hide and try to get my hands on another one for a giveaway. Maybe you'll win it!
I definitely understand your points and they are all valid in my opinion. When I started looking for a leather bag I landed on Saddleback and after about a year of research I decided to buy one used off Ebay for half the price of a new one. I must say I think I lucked out with the price and overall quality. That said, I don't see myself ever buying a new full priced product from them.
Used may be the best bet. They’re not a bad product, just not a good value at full retail. Sounds like you got a good deal though!
Found one at the thrift for $30. I was just online looking at how to set up backpack mode when your video came up. It's decent for my money.
Oh absolutely! You got a great deal there, and in the end it’s all about value.
I live close to Mexico. One can get better Mexican made leather briefcases for a lot less. For what SBL charges a craftsman can build several for you.
From what I understand the Lafarc tannery is where SBL sources their leather and is a huge supplier to other brands as well (Thursday Boots). Is there any leatherworker you like specifically?
Any companies you suggest?
That is true my friend. I live close to the border myself....
Thanks dude. Was loving the Saddleback look, but after your vids and a bunch of other research, went with Marlondo and am very pleased. You saved me a ton.
All perfectly reasonable arguments, but I'm now seeing their competition raising their prices as well. Personally, I'm just glad that high quality craftsmanship is still available at all.
Very much agree with your assessment. Yes, I too wanted one of Saddleback but not any more, too expensive. For my briefcase I have two Hartmann, one 4 inch tradition leather briefcase, the other Hartmann a narrow tweed sided briefcase. Received many compliments on both.
FYI, please I beg you, cut back on the music; it is difficult understanding you over the music. Though I very much think your video’s are extremely informative, the music is a major problem. Now when I see a video you created I start it, when I hear the music I close it down. Mr. Muraski, cut out the music we came to hear you not fight the music.
I just checked Saddleback and brands you offered more or less has the same price
David S. Hasanli this video was made 3 years ago
Thank you for this!!! I love the style of Saddleback briefcases but I can't imagine getting possibly a brand new one with a giant scar/brand on the front-they're supposed to be "rugged," yes, but I should hope that any marks would come from natural wear-and-tear and not just shoddy production.
I bought Saddleback's Classic Briefcase 7-8 years ago. I've used it nearly every day since then, including some pretty rough use and lots of travel, but it still looks great and is in excellent condition. Too bad about the price increase, though. I've never seen a bag I like better, but the Marlondo bags look like they might be a contender.
Saddleback owner here from back in the day when their shit was still amazing. And I do mean amazing. Mine and my husband’s bags are about 10 years old. I’ve since seen one in the wild about 3 years ago. I immediately recognized the style and got a closer look. Got caught looking so had to comment, hey is that a SBL? Oh yeah they were pleases to be recognized with said monster bag. I was so sad for this person. Comparatively it was crap. Quality of leather just down the shitter. I was also aware they’d really bumped up their pricing structure so was doubly cringing inside knowing this person had forked over a mortgage payment for that crappy ass bag. I’ll forever keep mine. It gets cycled with my others. It and their pricing was what jumped me into making my own leather products. Been at it about as long as I’ve had my SBL and have gotten decent. Enough that family receives nice leather gifts these days. It’s expensive af for a hobby but it’s hella cheaper than therapy!!
I have the SBL tote, can't recall the name, and the big wallet. I purchased both from Dave's deal several years ago. I just purchased the big mouth backpack. I frequent the site regularly, however, the site has fallen off. I don't see the bags I purchased several years back. Actually, I don't see anything that has caught my eye. Now, the site isn't worth visiting. Until they get more items, I'll stay away for a while. Hopefully, Dave watches these videos and go back to how things were.
Hey, tone down your arrogance, ok? Sure, maybe you got an item that was better quality but that doesn't mean you should be belittling others. If that person is happy with it, then leave them alone. You don't have to feel sorry for them.
I was in the process to buy saddleback and ready sent an email to them since my hometown not America. Saddleback is my dreamy bag since 2009 back then, but the cost was high for a college student like me, but I still want it and saving some money from my part time job but it still can't buy it. The price is rising from time to time, and when I have much money to finally ready have my dream bag I found your channel. After watching it I turned back and just try to find local craftsman leather on my hometown to custom a bag for me, and also I can help the local economy by buying from them since it still pandemic. Thanks brother.
I enjoyed the video, it's good to see what people are looking for in a leather product. My wife and I started a small side gig making leather goods, and your video is a good start to reach a goal to keep customers. Awesome job Thank you.
I’d love to see what you come up with, please keep me posted and good luck!
I enjoyed your video very much. I admit that I own a few SBL products (was actually cleaning my front pocket briefcase while watching the video), but that doesn't mean that I didn't take your opinion into consideration. Fortunately, all of the products that I own were purchased before the price increase, so I'm glad that I own items that still had quality to them. Regardless, I will look into the options that you provided. Thank you.
It sounds like you got in while the gettin’ was good. Back then SBL was a good value, and they may very well last you for a lifetime. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
You'll definitely get a lot of criticism from the die-hards. The quality has definitely dropped (leather and build quality). SBL has also given me some issues in regards to poorly built bags. Glad you voiced your opinions and you made a lot of valid points. Thanks for sharing!
+athletejmv plenty of people have drank the SBL coolaid, I'm glad to hear from someone with experience!
Not only is the bags are poorly made, the site hardly has anything worth buying. What happened to most of the items? The site looks a lil naked. However, I've recently purchased the big mouth backpack. I hope I haven't wasted $599 on a bag that's poorly made.
@@Moon11067 so what's your verdict? Good bag, or nah?
@@Moon11067 how was it?
Just picked up another SBL medium tobacco Waterbag for $711 last night on eBay, waiting with unbridled joy to receive it. Yes, there is a difference between actual value and perceived value from a customer’s point of view--and Dave has the right to be profitable (just like you and I) and I support that.....but
I will research your recommended brand and will post its quality.
I love quality in all my purchases.
Keep up the good work!
Much appreciated, I’m interested to hear your thoughts!
Atleast someone is taking sense on RUclips! Thank you!
Haha, I've gotten a lot of hate but I'm not going to lie about the shady stuff going on.
Dude, you know you have a fan. I'm proud to say I'm your 500th subscriber. Keep up the good work!
+The DCFashion Fool thank you Barnette!
I was all ready to argue your point but you changed my mind and stopped me from buying a water bag. Thanks
I own many SBL bags and am a fan - that being said... you are right on all points.
It’s easy to be both, my coworker is an avid SBL fan even after the conversations we’ve had about them. Maybe he’s just slightly less enthusiastic now
Hard to justify the price for a foreign made chrome tanned bag. Might as well buy the ones made in Asia.
Just finished watching a nice backpack video from Saddleback and was all excited for it and then this video pops up next! Thanks for the info and I'm investigating the other options you listed as well as Saddleback still since I do like their look. I have to keep my dream of being Indiana Jones alive.
Haha, I love that! We’re all just trying to be Indy at heart.
If you’re looking for a backpack that’s everything Saddleback claims to be, check out Thrux Lawrence.
Buddy, I am so glad I found you. You are absolutely spot on. I have several items from Saddleback Leather--bought most when it was a decent price (still expensive IMHO) and the prices now are outrageous. Dave must think we are a bunch of idiots. I refuse to buy anymore items from them--very disappointed w/his inflated prices. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for the comment! I’ve taken my fair share of heat after releasing this video, both from people with legitimate points and fanboys alike. Yet I still stand by my opinions and it seems the majority agree with the points I’ve brought to light. Thank you for watching and taking the time to share your thoughts!
Wow…. Bro. I’m impressed you researched all this…. This is eye opening THANK YOU
Dude... Bang on. The quality of saddleback has greatly depreciated while the cost has gone up ridiculously
It's really a shame, but luckily its created an opportunity for some incredible new brands!
All good points and you seem fair. That said, I love my square backpack. Just love the look. Expensive? Yea. But..., Mine looks great. Just my opinion.
Fair enough man, if it works for you I say rock on. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I own many Saddleback pieces. I have a large classic briefcase in coffee brown, a satchel in tobacco, a big leather wallet in tobacco and an old bull belt in black. I bought all these before that price increase. Even then, I hummed and hawed quite a bit, trying to find alternatives (read cheaper) bags elsewhere. However, back then (we're talking about 5-6 years ago) there were none. At least, none that I knew of. Even Saddleback was hardly known. I was thinking of buying a leather backpack. I want to thank you for turning me onto Marlondo bags. They are beautiful, use better leather and have that rugged styling that I like. My next leather piece will not be a Saddleback. I love my Saddleback pieces, but they were expensive, even then, and that price hike across the board did leave a very bitter taste in my mouth. Like everything else, popularity and demand raised the prices, and seemingly, drove down the quality as well.
It sounds like you got in while it was still good, but I agree with you about Marlondo. Plus the fact that they offer vegetable tanned and buffalo leather now as an option is really enticing. In fact I just ordered a single space briefcase in tobacco veg tan for myself!
I understand where this vid is coming from. And I decided that I’m over with Saddleback too but then I saw their Flight Bag just recently and made an order with an early bird discount.
I saw that, and it’s a decent value. Could SBL be getting back to their glory days? I sure hope so.
I am buying one too. Phenomenal. And I own very nice hand made 100% veg tan leather bags made in the US. It's nice to have several options for the work day
I’m a die hard saddleback fan, I love their products & I love their fantastic customer service.
I won’t be changing horses anytime soon.
You can't get real full grain leather without some scarring and marks - if you want a clean perfect surface that's personal preference and theres nothing wrong with that. However, coming from a leatherworker, I personally love those marks. They are part of the life of the animal that your bag came from and I see that as a beautiful thing. Also, just because they chrome tan their leather doesn't mean it's so much worse than veg tanned leather - both will last your entire life if not longer if done right.
I do agree with many of your points about SBL as a business but some of your points were just very specific preferences about what you want in leather and people should be able to maked up their own minds about those kinds of things.
You’re right, full grain does have its imperfections and as a leatherworker I’m sure you know that the hides are given a grade based on their imperfections. This is why companies like Marlondo offer their imperfect hide bags at a steep discount, and as you said there is a market for it. I’d just prefer to have a blank canvas for my own patina, the same reason I don’t care for pre-distressed jeans.
Looking back I did neglect to mention the advantages of chrome tanning over vegetable tanning and wish I had. Remember that the name of this video is why I’ll never buy anSaddleback briefcase and all of these reasons are my own preferences. There’s something about vegetable tanned leather I love- the way it breaks in, the way it darkens and carmelizes with use, the way the edges can be burnished. To me it’s the best thing until I can afford a shell cordovan bag! These are all just personal preferences, and I’m happy to discuss the pros and cons with people who understand the medium of leather such as yourself.
What I’m not tolerant of is price gouging and cash grabbing tactics that prey on people who buy a product based on a name brand they trust. This video isn’t for anyone who’ve already drank the SBL cool-aid, it’s for those who are trying to choose the best value and get the best bang for their buck.
I’d be very interested to see your work, and since this video gets a lot of traffic I invite you to leave a link to leave a link so people can see more. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Just because soething is given a grade based on visual impurities, though, does not necissarily mean that the leather itself suffers in quality - branding and scarring do not hurt the integrity of the leather. But you're right, at the end of the day it's how you use the leather, whether including imperfections or using clean surface. With jeans it's the same way, although I wouldn't consider scarring equivalent to pre-destress, it would be more like buying a bag that already had patina. The price gauging is not the right way, there should be more transparency maybe about their decisions regarding those prices. I have never bought or used a SBL product, and likely won't, but I do think that there are much worse businesses haha.
Also here's my website: KaiHuggins.com
lemme know what you think
Lets not forget that these bags are made in MEXICO charging premium US/European made prices.
New England Style Consulting Shell Cordovan bag!! $4000+ easy, more if that Wisconsin company makes it (can’t recall the name of the company), but the hardware and everything would be 🤮. Great dream...
I have 6 of SBL's products: 2 wallets, 1 notepad holder, Moleskine cover, Bible cover and large front pocket back pack. I have to say that I do like them but 2 things that I don't care for is the weight and the price. I got all of my stuff pre-2015 and I talked myself into spending the money. My wife thought that I was crazy buying that backpack. The 1 product that I considered to be their best product was a small Bible cover with a drawstring but they discontinued it. Now they sell separate books of the Bible as a stitched book, to me, that is just someone trying to make a few dollars... or a lot of dollars. I use to brag on them but most people I know, can't afford their products.
Thank you for your comment, I think it cuts right to the heart of what the real problem is: value.
Greetings from Evening Star Lodge 101 brother.
Awesome, Michael Dempsey Lodge #327, Jena, La.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this video!! I was set on buying a Saddleback leather briefcase, but I didn't know anything about all that you brought up. So informative and I'm very glad it steered (no pun intended) me away from Saddleback. I'm also glad you pointed me toward Custom Hide 1945 and their beautiful bags and briefcases! I never would've known they existed otherwise and that's where I'm buying my briefcase!
I thought this video would offend me --being I own a lot of Saddleback products from briefcases and duffle bags to other accessories. With that said, instead..... I'm grateful you posted these comments.
I found your analysis and commentary to be objective, constructive criticism.
I like my Saddleback products but am going to consider your recommendations because I don't believe your intention is anything beyond being HELPFUL and HONEST.
So for that, I offer my thanks and compliments for taking the time to share these details.
I don't entirely agree with how Dave is choosing to run Saddleback -- making products in Mexico for example.
I also think you're correct -- the pricing is too high.
However, I do like the style and construction that Saddleback offers.
Lastly, maybe Dave would do better by laying off on the swanky Africa trips, lowering his price points, and decrease his high profit greediness by having more regard for the people paying to support his company.
I will say, if he continues increasing prices, he'll have one less customer with me!
Colonel Littleton bags are outstanding. I have two of them from years ago, and they look great, have weathered incredibly well, I have one for 17 years. However, the prices are crazy high. If I am going to pay as much as Saddleback charges, I'd get American Made.
Did you google ugliest bags available to find these???
Yea you may get some criticism but you will also gain respect from others for telling it like it is, and that is more important for someone who does these kinds of reviews. I'll take the honest man's opinion any day.
Hi, I enjoy your videos and I appreciate your opinion on this, but some of the information you provided on the topic seems to be incomplete. I have no affiliation with saddleback, but I'm an engineer and I enjoy doing extensive research before making a purchase!
From my research what you refer to as a "decrease in quality" is a response to early customer complaints that the bags were much too heavy and un-wearable. The leather is still the same quality full grain leather just about 2mm thinner. Also the material of the hardware has been upgraded to (type 304) stainless steel which is substantially more expensive and resistant to corrosion than the nickel plated metal previously used. This combats the thought that there is an attempt to cut costs.
The chrome tanned vs vegetable tanned leather discussion is purely a matter of aesthetic preference. I understand that the owner aesthetically prefers chrome tanned leather, but the company has also recently sold limited runs of vegetable tanned leather bags for prices less than the chrome tanned bags. I'm guessing because the veg tanned bags did not require a pigskin lining.
Also I have found that Saddleback has been transparent about their prices, and the reason for the increase. They provided advanced notice to all customers that the increase was happening. Unfortunately I was not able to save up for a bag before the price increase... but I am glad to know that the majority of their profits go towards ministry and charity work in Rwanda and Mexico.
I hope this provides a little bit of balance on the issues you mentioned. Have a blessed day!
+Kamal Crues I appreciate your comments and always welcome different views and opinions, thank you for sharing!
That's whats confusing, the explanation Dave gave was that he didn't realize he was under charging and the price increase would let them put more money into trying new bags. I call BS.
Your comment/bird, has no wings; define bias.
Saddleback Leather pays their workers better than the average, a living wage , they have child care, schooling for older kids teaching them English, cafeteria , they care for the people that work for them in ways that most companies don't here because of the cost etc. You could look at this as better than foreign aid & it keeps them from becoming illegals here because their lives are exponentially improved over the average.
Hey man what was the background music you used in the video? Lol btw great video. And which leather jacket companies do you think provide great value?
The background music is from a site called Epidemic Sound, but I forgot the name of the track.
As far as leather jackets go I'm partial to Himel Brothers Leather, but I was also really impressed by a jacket from The Real McCoy I tried recently. A bit more affordable is Schott Bros. NYC, and the leather jackets from Satchel and Page (which fit a bit on the slim side). Finally, I've heard nothing but good things about the leather jackets from Wested Co. but haven't tried them for myself yet. I hope this helps!
First hand experience here with Ruitertassen (Thanks again!) and the quality is simply amazing. I can't imagine another brand doing it better, and if they did, not enough to justify several hundred dollars more.
Designer and other fashion house brands are a different story, and we can argue forever over whether or not their prices are justified, but if you're a brand going for that bare bones, everyman look, you just have to be more fair in your pricing.
+Christopher Hodge very well said, you hit the nail on the head man!
+Christopher Hodge very well said, you hit the nail on the head man!
Will Leather Goods, give them a look
@kshiftkometh yes. I can't believe I paid over $20,000 for their pvc bags. Yes, there's some leather added to their items, but, overall, the Bags are mainly composed of pvc.
I’ve always liked their stuff but never been able to pull the trigger on the price tag
Carl, Thank you! I watched this video probably 10 times and ended up Getting a Marlando instead of Saddleback. I absolutely love it! I am now subscribed! Love the videos, keep em coming!!!
Much appreciated! I use my Marlondo daily and it’s a beast. What model did you get? They only improve with age.
Classic Briefcase - Limited Run of Vintage Tobacco Cowhide- I was lucky and scooped the last one. I love the look and feel of it but I am def. interested in the vegetable tanned leather, to be honest I will most likely get another one :-) you are right- bang for buck, you can't beat Marlando!!! Thanks from Canada!!!
Excellent presentation! I bought a briefcase from saddleback, before the price hike and it's ok, but it has some design flaws. Now they're way overpriced, and, as you point out, they're not a luxury brand, not even close. Thanks for the alternative options list.
Carl, I came across this video because I want to buy the saddlebacks tote bag. I respect your honestly and will checkout the other companies for tote bags. (No promises though) thank you so much for giving me more options
For what its worth, I just bought my wife a large tote bag from Basader. It's going to be tan Essex leather with purple edges, and made entirely by one woman in New Hampshire for under $300.00!
I'm a leathersmith and veg tan is the only way to go, it is fully customizable for color and much more. As far as marks, stretch marks are one thing, but the range marks (brands and such) are only included if they are requested!!! I talk at length with my clients and take several weeks just to design exactly what they would like. Yes, real handmade, leather bags are expensive they can take 100s of hours to make (especially if they are hand cut and sewn)... But if you are working with the right leathersmith, you will get everything you want, and amazing quality!
This is a 2 year old video. They've taken heed to some of the criticism and have really improved the leather, namely the DCB color. If you're looking for rugged, SBL is the best there is. You can join a Facebook group and buy used to save some money, or look for a Dave's Deal on their site.
Great video!! Do you still hold the same view about Saddleback?
Saw one. Thought I'd like one. Saw the video on the build. Realized I could make my own for 1/4 the cost. So I did. Now we make our own bags. Funny thing about the brands, my wife adores those, I prefer clean nice veg tan hides.
Hi ! Where is a video on how to do one ? Sounds interesting !
Thank you, Carl. You have just saved me hundreds of dollars. It's awesome that you're friends with Daver from Fragrance Bros. I've been watching (lurking) his channel since the early days when Jeremy was a regular.
Oh yeah man, Daves a good dude! I’ve known him for a while now.
The only thing I disagree with is the branding and scars. I know this is super objective but I like the imperfections. Price increasing and quality drop is a huge turnoff though. Your video is spot on
Great opinion and thoughts. I purchased my saddleback leather large briefcase in 2007 winter for $398 including free shipping. I should've gotten medium size instead of large but back then price difference was mere $50. I still have it and still love it but only for what I paid for. Would I pay $600~$800 for the same bag that I bought? I don't know. I don't think I would if it's twice the price I paid for. I still believe saddleback leather makes great durable well designed product. But I do agree with you on "value" part of the product.
Thanks for the review.
Thank you for the review! I am now a subscriber. I researched them and came to many of the conclusions you have in this great video. I ended up ordering a Polare with the same look and great quality for under $200. I have traveled with it to Spain for work 6 times and it has been great! Thank you for these great reviews!
Awesome, thank you!
Saddleback Leather is great but I still don't know why they still changed their leather to the thinner version and bumped their price a lot.
+Benedict San Diego it’s a mystery, I was a big fan in the early days. Now I’m pretty disheartened at the direction they’ve gone.
Very simple. They want to make more money by giving you lower leather and charge you a higher price. Saddleback leather company is a joke.
Full grain leather when thinner doesn't always mean cheaper or weaker integrity.
The bags with full grain thick leather are heavy. And to use grain corrected leather which has had the imperfections removed and is thinner makes for a product that people want. As to the price increase. Well they realized people will pay the upcharge. Have you seen the price on 6" boots lately? A boot chicago company who outsources their boots charges what Nicks charges for fire jumper boots.
@@bayareaartist999
The White Boot company in Spokane Washington, has been making smoke jumper boots for probably 150+ years. My father bought a pair from the man that owned the company- Otto White. They have been rebuilt a few times. Even rebuilt to fit me. They are 70 years old, and have been taken care of. I rarely wear them, as I don't fight fires in North Carolina. When dad was around, and we lived out there,;that was the best boot to actually work in, that this country made. Many , many makers have copied Otto's designs. They came with a stacked heel on them, that looked a bit strange. Once you wore the boot awhile, you understood the heel had a purpose, totally unrelated to " looks" . They became comfortable to wear.. When Otto died, he left the company to the existing employees. I can't speak about today's operation at all. Simply because I have no contact. It may be exactly the same folks, getting to own some of the company by being a tenured employee.
I can also speak some about Obenauf's Leather oils, and their heavier stuff. It is all non toxic, made from natural preservatives. Why is that important ? The lady that is part owner, said she gets calls all the time , from folks in a panic , that say the dog found an open can, or jar, and ate some of it. It doesn't hurt the dog. No need to go to the vet. It will "pass through the dog" . The company is located out West ( Idaho) where they really have fires. Their products are for leather that spends it's life in Mud, rain, deep ashes. It keeps the leather from drying out, and cracking.
Finally, I have never worked for either company, and do not have friends there. I am offering truthful information, based upon my experience. I have put Obenauf's on leather hats, on expensive motorcycle jackets. ( Yes, I am a biker , since 1970) . gloves, shoes. For me, their stuff works. I am not someone that worries about impressing others. I just want the product to do what it states it will do--- Both Obenauf's, and White's boots. When my White boots were purchased, they only had one "grade" of boot. Today, I think they have more than one grade. I can tell you that mine are heavy. They are heavy when brand new. Incidentally, they make their best boot, to fit YOUR foot, not someone else's foot. They use to have you make a pattern of both of your feet. So it is normal for them to make two different sized boots, if your feet are different sized. Seriously. Who else does that , with work boots.?
The wax-like Obenauf's is essentially the same thing as the heavy oil. It just goes on like paste car wax. In the sun, for awhile, it soaks into the leather. Feel free to be critical. Best of luck.
Hey man, I'm quite sad that Saddleback has declined to this state. Bought a bunch of products pre-2015 and was interested in purchasing again, but have to look elsewhere after some research.
Do you have a new link to the price comparisons? the google drive is not found.
Thanks so much for sharing!
Hey man, thanks for the comment. It looks like they’re in the process of restructuring and adding/removing product. They recently added a new slim briefcase with some decent additions. I still think their price is too high, but people will vote with their wallets.
I’ll need to check out that Google doc and why it’s not working...
Thanks for the quick reply! Saddleback has really changed since I've last bought their products a few years ago. Just glad I got my bags when quality was of caliber. After rummaging through the site, I still want a few more, but am extremely hesitant from all the negative feedback recently. Wish they had an official store where I can physically ensure the quality before throwing my dosh at them.
If you get the google doc working again, please let me know! I found another source, but would appreciate your input as well. Cheers!
Will do, in the meantime have a look at Satchel & Page, and Thrux Lawrence if you're open to other makers.
I travel a lot - US, Europe, Mexico - by plane, car, train, walking. I have a strong interest in the travel bags I use. I’ve had a chance to own a Saddleback bag and have considered buying more for travel use. Great design, like the color choices, and the associated travel fantasies fed by Dave and buyers add to perceived value. But the reality is they are way to heavy. If you’re 20, lugging the weight is not a problem. But as I aged, I started following the general rule for pack weight which is hump not more than 10% of your body weight. I bought other bags.
Thanks for sticking your neck out there with this video. Was just about to buy a Saddleback bag, but went with a Marlondo one instead.
Changed my mind I was about to pull the trigger say this and going to keep shopping thank you
+Rob Lacey there are much better values out there, I think Custom Hide May be the best bang for the buck going right now.
Thank you! I've been debating between a Saddleback or a Custom hide briefcase for my husband. Fortunately prefers the style of the Custom Hide Scholar Three Compartment w/ Pockets. Decision made.
Plus one on Custom Hide. I LOVE my satchel from them and it only gets better with time!
Just purchased the Saddleback $315 satchel that fits a laptop perfect and it’s amazing. Custom hides comparable options all run $420+. At least on that product saddleback was better priced and super rugged.
Is it really true that Saddleback leather is now inferior to what was produced years ago? I have older Saddleback bags purchased from eBay and newer bags as well. Although I like Saddleback I have other products too (SAB, Ghurka). I mention this to show that although I ‘m not committed to Saddleback alone I don’t see the difference in quality others see. What am I missing? Are any of the negative comments based on actual data or just personal impressions? Is Dave really using cheaper leather and hardware?
I haven’t seen a really good side by side comparison with old SBL and new, but the theory of inferior quality is pretty widespread. Back in the glory days of SBL you could really get a nice product for a decent price, and I think this where their brand loyalty comes from. I’d love to hear other people’s experience though, as I can’t really speak to any Saddleback products besides the ones I’ve tried.
Thanks for the video. I was thinking about getting the 'tank' backpack.
Can you tell me how much this item increased in price as the link to the excel document no longer works.
Also, can you recommend a better replacement as I have looked at all the links you gave and can't find anything similar.
Maxwell Scott UK, my favourite. Full grain, handmade in Italy, designed in the UK.
I'm glad I found this before I made a purchase. I have a little more homework to do. Nice video.
It amazing how many people and leather companies have emailed me, thanking me for speaking the truth. A lot of guys don’t want to chance upsetting a company in fear of losing out on “influencer deals”. I’m happy I could be of help, a few other brands I’ve really become fond of lately: Satchel and Page, Basader, and Mascon Leather. Happy hunting!
Been wrestling on a leather briefcase choice for a week now. Great insight, thanks. Do you have any opinion on Buffalo Jackson's gear?
+Robert Messenger Definitely, Buffalo Jackson is a really cool company, in fact I was very close to pulling the trigger on their limited edition briefcase with the orange stitching. Solid value, especially their bison stuff.
I visited Buffalo Jackson's shop in NC last year and handled/examined their bags up close. They're AMAZING.
Just returned a Buffalo Jackson briefcase. We are partly to blame; it was too small & we should have known that. However, the bag had a strong chemical smell.
Basically, what you're going to get from a Buffalo Jackson bag is something very close in style and quality to Saddleback (Full grain leather, chrome tanned, made in Mexico, same level of craftsmanship), but for about 1/3 the price.
I was originally looking at Saddleback because their aesthetic matches my own, but I pulled the trigger on a Buffalo Jackson and couldn't be happier.
I know what you mean, it's the same way I feel about Maxpedition canvas bags.
+RoccosPlace1 yeah, they LOOK like Mystery Ranch or Kirafu but they’re totally inferior. Good call!
Thank for your video. I bought two bags, the new flight bag and the Indiana. The flight bag is perfect for a up to a three day travel bag where everything fits, your computer phone and iPad, papers and clothes. That’s being said, i have recently been using this bag for everyday use in order to break it in. It’s just to big for that. I am a gay man from Texas, 5’8” and most of the bags are just too much. To much everything. The sizes and price are way too big and the bags have no finesse. That being said it’s built like a tank, I feel it will out live me. But I too have yet to find a better business type leather bag that isn’t a briefcase and fits my height and sensibilities. I feel like I’m putting on a “show” when I carry SBL.
I completely understand. Have you tried Satchel and Page? I think they do an amazing job of balancing rugged and refined
Wow, very excellent points! I chose Saddleback as a top quality briefcase company I would later buy when I am further in my career and making more money, but your arguments have definitely made me rethink that!
Sb are pretty, but just way too heavy for practical everyday use imho
I have owned the thin front pocket briefcase in dark coffee brown for about a month and a half now, it's been on 6 planes already and I paid $718 for it (including 2 day shipping because I needed it fast). To be perfectly honest with you, I find the build of this bag to be quite something... I am by no means a fanboy and I will point out something wrong if I see it, but honestly this bag is built like a freaken tank. I have had moments of second guessing myself when I see so many other amazing brands and beautiful briefcases out there and wonder if I'd be better off with one of the other amazing bags, such as the Moose Brand messenger which I've seen a couple of great reviews on. Either way, I see your points and I get that your main beef with SBL is the way they price their products, but I think no one can deny that their bags are built to last, and the $718 I paid for my briefcase although perhaps a bit overpriced, I know it's a product that will last me forever and not to mention I absolutely love the look of it, the feel of it, even the sound of it when I put it down.
+Max Valentine it sounds like you're very happy with your purchase, and in the end "value" is totally dependent on the user. You're absolutely correct, my issue is with their using branded or scarred leather (increasing efficiency) while charging more. Thank you for sharing, I'm always interested in hearing all sides of an issue!
clicked on this video just to give it a dislike then i heard what he had to say... glad i listened. here's my like
Why would you do that? Always a good idea to listen first 👍
Is your opening of SBL still the same now?? I’m in the market for a bag and I’m considering getting a SBL thin briefcase.
Awesome video and completely defendable argument/anger about price jump. Crazy when a company does this....
My wife got me one as a gift some years back. It was OK but not great. Worth $200 at most--returned it. Never found a leather case I really liked. I found the best solution to the business case issue--retirement lol.
+suburban sentinel retirement would be the best solution! Hahaha
suburban sentinel I’m just starting a business making custom bags brief cases and any case using the customers ideas; they want to see in a bag.
This is a new effort. I’ve been repairing LV and about everyone else’s bags for quite awhile now and decided to start my own brand called “THE MARINERS “ ”brand with a sea turtle as the logo since I’m a retiring commercial diver.
I agree with you on a lot of things and most of them can't be disputed. But what brings people to buy certain products is people buy what they like. Not getting down into numbers or where it's made from but the bottom line is Dave have products people like. It's no different from what Apple computer company is doing. You have a lot of great computers companies out there but Apple seems to catch the buyers eye with their products. I particular like Saddleback Mountainback line. Again, a lot of good companies out there produce canvas and leather products (backpacks in this case) that's a third of the cost than Saddleback. I just so happen like Saddleback better not to mention the 100-year warranty I as of yet to find with other companies. Thanks for the video.
Very good points and well stated. One thing I'd like to add is that this 100 year warranty is simply a good catch phrase and marketing tool. Chances are that SBL won't even be around in 100 years and I don't see how this is much superior to a lifetime warranty. I get what they're after though, and it gets the point across nicely.
I've been looking for a good quality bag and right now I had been looking between nutsac and saddleback, this is pushing me towards nutsac
I do use the D rings on there all the time for umbrellas lol
I couldn’t agree with you more. Bought Satchel and Page based on one of your other reviews and couldn’t be happier. Using distressed parts of leather remind me of those cheap leather briefcases in airline magazines that use scraps to construct the product.
Raising prices is not "ripping people off." You are not privy to what expenses they may have had which increased on their end; rent, labor, insurance, new equipment, expansion, loss of supplier, etc. It is a victim mindset to feel this way. The free market, with supply and demand is great because if people pay the price you charge, the market is bearing your pricing structure. You should have bought the bag when it was cheaper rather than insult the company for having a profit-based business. You come off as whining. Not trying to be insulting, just sharing my perspective as you shared yours. Cheers.
I purchased 2 Sbl bags, 1 wallet and coin purse from dave deals. I'm glad I purchased them 5 or more years ago when the bags still had the removable pig skin liner. I was looking at their site this morning and was about to make a purchase, but hesitated. Glad I did. If the quality is no longer there, I not going to waste my money.
Customhide is a really a wonderful company and represents a great value for what you are getting. For me, made in America of inferior quality is shameful but made in America with craftsmanship deserves recognition . MANY companies now just leave the edge of the leather unfinished or coat it with a rubber liquid which over time cracks and looks ugly. The edges of Customhide products are fully leather wrapped and this takes not only more time sewing and skiving (thinning) the leather but also enhances both durability and aesthetics. The best leathergoods company in the past 30 years has always been Ghurkha by Marley Hodgson. His products represent the best combination of savoire faire from design, durability to aesthetics. Customhide may very well be following in that tradition. Made in America, made to last.
Agreed, of all the bags I've tested the Custom Hide is my favorite. It combines the best of all the things I like at a reasonable price, and might very well be the best deal going at the moment!
Ooof! Was about to buy side pocket leather duffel for a friend as a going-away present. Looks like I dodged a bullet there. Thanks for the video!
Have a look at Marlondo Leather, very similar aesthetic with superior quality for much less.
Man! Good call; I kept hunting for a couple of hours after watching your video and leaving my original comment and I eventually landed on the Weekender Duffle from Marlondo as a far better option. Not just in price but in design as well. If the Saddleback was a ~$350-400 piece, then fair enough, but for the business end of $800? No. That's a bridge too far.
And again, thanks for the video and thanks for the reply. Sub'd.
Thank you! I'll be reviewing two bags I just bought from Marlondo in the next few weeks. They've come a long was since I've been aware of them!
Same issues but on messengers and backpacks. I have a channel with many SBL unboxing videos... I own very little SBL products now. I do like their canvas lineup and ordered a backpack recently... it is a gamble. I like the designs, just not the build quality. Keeping my fingers crossed. Most of the materials are quality... craftsmanship is hit or miss. What they call characteristics for hand-made products is an excuse for poor quality control.
I make custom leather goods. I don't even try to compete with foreign made leather goods due to I am a 1 man shop & I cannot buy the materials at the cost that the big companies do. I also do everything by hand with the exception of stitching. And I do offer hand stitching at an additional cost. I also will not try to compete with the foreign labor wages. But I always use top grade leather. Top grade leather will be very clean leather & not have any brands & crap like that on a side of leather. If there were a brand on it I would cut it out & throw it aside. I always give a customer the best leather available as I would want it myself. Brands may look ok to some but most don't want them. That is just screwing the customer forcing them to buy products with brands. That would be used only if someone ask for it in a custom made good. Brands are usually on 2nd & 3rd grades of leather which is a cheaper priced leather.
mr, you are full of knowledge. very informative. i m impressed.
Thank you kindly
I purchased their older style extra large brief case about 7/8 years ago as one of Dave's deals. I think I paid $478. Id call it a saddle bag with a handle, and straps.
Sounds like you got a smokin deal!!! If the prices were still in that range I’d reassess my opinion of SBL. My objection is less with the product and more with the business practices.
I just bought a medium-sized Saddleback classic briefcase in chestnut during their 15% off anniversary sale. It has no brandings or any other discolorations or scars that I can see. I need to buy another briefcase in black and I'd like to try a different company, perhaps one of the companies that you suggest. However, I need a briefcase with silver metal, because I wear a silver wedding band, silver belt buckles, and silver watches. As far as I can tell, all the other companies you recommend have brass/gold-colored metal. There is, however, a company you don't mention that has the same style of briefcase with silver metal, and that's Vagabond Traveler. Unfortunately, though, they don't have bags in black! So, as of right now, it looks like I'll be buying another Saddleback if I want that style of briefcase in black with silver metal.I appreciate you describing the issues you have with SB, which if I understand correctly comes down to four things: 1) Chrome-tanned leather, 2) brands and other imperfections, 3) made in Mexico, and 4) price. Do those other brands you recommend have the 100-year warranty? If my SB bag(s) break 30-years from now, you can bet I'll be going to the company to get them replaced. Just a final thought, you don't need to have the background music in the video, as it's a little distracting.
I’ve owned SBL bags for 10 years now. One consideration that bears mentioning - they offer a 100 year warranty on their products. I’ve used their repair service (no charge, and they paid for shipping) for a backpack strap that came apart due to metal fatigue. What I got back was even better than the original. So this may be a ‘buy once, cry once’ type of situation. My $0.02
Excellent and very well done! Im a Saddleback fan and own several, but you have made some very strong points.
+Matt McLean Much appreciated, the intent isn’t to hate but it seems like a few people took it that way. SBL used to make great products but now make only good products at an inflated rate. Maybe they’ll find their way again someday.
Copper River Bags ... beautiful full grain, soft, inexpensive.
Ive heard good things about them!
I own a briefcase, a small tote, and beefy belt from them. Great company, I hope you'll make a feature on them soon, Carl.
Really helpful video, thank you. I am in that saddleback "gotta have it" mindset but this video was very helpful and very true. Hey do you review drums as I see what might be a sweet looking set behind you. Thanks for great videos!
He's right !
+ray0fh0pe I keep trying to tell my wife this but she doesn’t believe me! 😁
I dunno, man, I have a couple pieces of SB stuff and I like it. You do you, though. Make yourself happy.
Saddleback is the best of best man
No, actually you do you sucker.
@@BMWI-gk9wh saddleback has competition. I have two Sbl bags. One wallet and a Sbl coin purse. I, also, have a leather bag that I purchased in Greenwich village in New York city. The bag from the village gives my Sbl bags a run for their money.
Had to subscribe. Sounds like you're into good leather items same as me. I love collecting leather bags/shoes, but good leather items.
Thank you very much!!!
I have a Saddleback messenger bag that I absolutely love, but my needs have changed since I got it so I'm starting to look around for a new bag. I checked out some of the bags you recommend at the company website (I prefer to buy directly from a manufacturer as opposed to a reseller/distributor) and everything at Ruitertassen, literally every single item I clicked on, is listed as Discontinued. Really like some of the Custom Hide bags.
As far as Saddleback goes and the point of the video, I have a few things from them in addition to my messenger bag that I'm really happy with, but overall I definitely agree with you that they're overpriced (hence one of the biggest reasons why I'm looking around at other manufacturers instead of getting another Saddleback). Things are still built like a tank though. Saying their quality isn't as good as it used to be is like saying "that 2015 Ferrari isn't as fast as that 2018 Lamborghini." True as it may be, it's still pretty good.
Good video though. Definitely going to seriously consider a couple of those other companies.
I followed up with Ruitertassen about this and it looks like they’re going through a website overhaul but suggest you email them directly. Custom Hide is outstanding and what I use on a daily basis, I really can’t say enough about their quality. Another brand I foolishly neglected to mention is Basader out of Bew Hampshire, it’s one craftswoman who has a very minimalist approach. She can make anything you can imagine and it’s really nice to talk directly to whoever is actually making your bag or briefcase.
Good luck on your search, there are so many excellent brands out there with an open and honest approach to go with their superior products. Check back in and let me know what you get!
New England Style Consulting I checked out all of those companies you mentioned, plus a couple of others. I narrowed it down to either a Custom Hide Ranger Front Pocket, or a Basader The Classic. I really wanted the extra front pockets of the Custom Hide bag, but I think I'm going to contact Basader and see if they will make me a Classic with 3" compartments. It has everything I want except the front pockets, but the bags are just absolutely beautiful! And I love the little documentary you did about the shop and how everything is done by hand and how meticulous she is. If she'll make the bag a little larger for me (I carry a 17" laptop plus a bunch of other stuff) I'm doing that. Otherwise I'll probably get the Custom Hide Ranger. Either way I'm sure I'll get a great bag. Thanks for putting your videos together...I watched a bunch of them!
Awesome! Thank you!
Elin over at Basader is really incredible, she will make you anything you can imagine. Make sure you tell her I referred you, who knows? Maybe you’ll get a free keychain out of it!
Thank you. This was helpful. I recently saw saddleback but was turned off by the price. I like the options you listed. Especially Marlando Leather has some very good options.