as long as they fixed the port resonance, should be easily the best desk-fi monitor, but considering the price, genelec is in range as well so it's bit tough tbh
Yes!!! someone that actually has experience with the MK1's.. so many say things like they have heard the previous ones then it turns out it's a script saying what it has been updated but say it like it is their own experience... "I can hear that the high mids are way better" then I comment and it turns out they have not heard the first ones... at least I know you have had them
These are absolutely amazing for vocals, you might be able to discern which microphone they are singing into. Add a sub (xlr y splitter cables). Impactful, solid imaging. Plenty of power and adjustable crossover. Setup is a little involved, but worth the effort.
Yamaha NS10M speakers aren't designed to listen to a full mix on. They're designed to be a magnifying glass on the midrange where people's hearing picks up most information from sound. The purpose of them is that when 2 midcentric things, like guitars & vocals are conflicting with each other in a mix, you don't fix that by turning one up & the other down in the mix. You fix it by finding out specific frequency of each that are conflicting, & you cut only that frequency of one & or boost just that frequency of the other, depending on which needs more prominence in the mix. That would typically be the vocal. There may be more than one specific frequency that needs adjustment. There could be 2 or 3. The Yamaha NS10M were used well before the 1990s. They may be from the 70s actually. They were used everywhere in the 80s for sure, at all of the big studios that were recording popular music of the day. Some still use them. CLA is known for it. Brendan O'Brien said he used them recently in an interview with Rick Beato.
@@max10hoop good speakers do not blow up from any form of music unless you accidentally crank your amplifier to the maximum past the driver's power handling specifications. some people have bad luck and get a defective product, it is the company's duty to resolve such situation according to how they promise to do so.
Just checked guitar center, they have a 90 day warranty, which is fairly short, but might explain your predicament. Sorry they failed, that sucks, considering how much they cost. You possibly could submit a claim through your CC company, but that’s a long shot.
I hooked these up to the Scarlet 2i2 (i use it as a dac/preamp), and to a PC and Mac via a powered USB hub. Workes flawlessly without any drivers and fiddling
I'm sending the speakers back today. In the sub-range, the bass reflex tube starts to rattle at room volume. A bass drum or sub-bass cannot be properly adjusted. I'm pretty annoyed.
You don't need to hear opinions to know how something sounds. Those people are more likely to suffer a form of confirmation bias or selective bias or some other bullshit bias where they think they hear things they don't. In other words, it's the measurements that are the only reliable method to determine performance. I've yet to hear a single good measuring speaker that sounds anything less than good.
Please review the iloud precision mtm. I bought the original mtm thanks to your review = best purchase ever. I want to know if it makes sense to buy those precisions.
It too me ages after they started making monitors after their portable monitor before I took them seriously due to their entire company branding... it's like Amazon basic type branding where a company makes things for a demographic they know nothing about.... they sound more like a gaming brand of products
i do not get it with active speakers, get your own dsp unit and you can adjust peq and do not need the active monitor, and you get subwoofer control also. and for many powered or active speakers have hiss noise. and why the hell does it have port.....
Z does not love everything... there so many you don't and if something is just good enough you'll know to pic up on you not gushing over it... very simple... then Z will give you a true depiction of what type this item is... is it flat and transparent and revealing or is is adding a whole bunch of warmth and thickness and what type of that it is...or whatever... even if this one thing excels at being played at a low volume will being able to hear the song as it's meant to be... anything
Yeah, those “White 90’s” speakers are so bad and that’s why they are used, as it’s unlikely a modern system will sound worse, so the engineers can hear a worst case scenario. Similar reason they test their mixes in cars, it’s a totally different ball game than at home.
Great bass is unachievable in a concrete basement. Far better is upstairs in a wood frame house that lets a lot of bass through the walls rather than resonates it for far too long.
They are good because they translate well to other speakers... they are awful and music will sound awful and when it sounds goodish you have a perfect mix
Mark I s were amazing but no matter what I do, I couldnt get rid of the hissing in the background. According to forums, it was very common. Swapped the cables, connected to zendac, directly to pc but couldnt solve the heavy background noise…
Most budget (sub $1000) Studio monitors have a slight hiss. But so long as it isn't noticeable past 12 inches I tend to just accept it. At this distance I can't hear it.
He did explain that in the video. He was using the balanced outputs of the DAC for the speakers and the unbalanced for the sub. Apparently, the topping can output to both simultaneously. He then set a high pass filter in the iLoud software and a low pass filter on the RSL sub.
i bought the iloud micros because of you whenever you made your video and im still so glad i did. not gonna watch this video tho zeos hehe just came here to say that
YOU WOULDNT DOWNLOAD A CAR WOULD YOU?
as long as they fixed the port resonance, should be easily the best desk-fi monitor, but considering the price, genelec is in range as well so it's bit tough tbh
Yeah, I'm pretty confused how he doesn't even mention what is basically the default choice for this use case.
I do bring it up, I assume you are talking about Port Chuff. And then I yelled at B&W for it.
@@ZReviews does different dacs give a different sound signature to studio monitors?
Yes!!! someone that actually has experience with the MK1's.. so many say things like they have heard the previous ones then it turns out it's a script saying what it has been updated but say it like it is their own experience... "I can hear that the high mids are way better" then I comment and it turns out they have not heard the first ones... at least I know you have had them
These are absolutely amazing for vocals, you might be able to discern which microphone they are singing into. Add a sub (xlr y splitter cables). Impactful, solid imaging. Plenty of power and adjustable crossover. Setup is a little involved, but worth the effort.
Need more yoga blocks.
Lets get some Genelecs in for review, would be nice to compare these to the 8320 or 8330
Yamaha NS10M speakers aren't designed to listen to a full mix on. They're designed to be a magnifying glass on the midrange where people's hearing picks up most information from sound. The purpose of them is that when 2 midcentric things, like guitars & vocals are conflicting with each other in a mix, you don't fix that by turning one up & the other down in the mix. You fix it by finding out specific frequency of each that are conflicting, & you cut only that frequency of one & or boost just that frequency of the other, depending on which needs more prominence in the mix. That would typically be the vocal. There may be more than one specific frequency that needs adjustment. There could be 2 or 3. The Yamaha NS10M were used well before the 1990s. They may be from the 70s actually. They were used everywhere in the 80s for sure, at all of the big studios that were recording popular music of the day. Some still use them. CLA is known for it. Brendan O'Brien said he used them recently in an interview with Rick Beato.
Fuck this company the tweeter blow up and the said they can’t change it and they don’t have spare parts.
Do you listen to grunge?
@@max10hoop That has nothing to do with anything.
@@max10hoop good speakers do not blow up from any form of music unless you accidentally crank your amplifier to the maximum past the driver's power handling specifications. some people have bad luck and get a defective product, it is the company's duty to resolve such situation according to how they promise to do so.
Just checked guitar center, they have a 90 day warranty, which is fairly short, but might explain your predicament. Sorry they failed, that sucks, considering how much they cost. You possibly could submit a claim through your CC company, but that’s a long shot.
@@brkbtjunkieit been 4 years still hurts to this day the other is collecting dust some where
"white 90's" is the Yamaha NS10M Studio no doubt..
Bought the iloud micros on sale years ago and love them, use them to this day
I hooked these up to the Scarlet 2i2 (i use it as a dac/preamp), and to a PC and Mac via a powered USB hub.
Workes flawlessly without any drivers and fiddling
only question is how intrusive is the software? giving them access to my network so I can move sliders for eq is kinda sketchy tbh
yeah, room EQ is cool, but I'd rather not have to install anything to use my speakers...
I think im upgrading from my MKI pair just because these are 96k architecture instead of 48k. You can hear the difference side by side pretty easily.
I guarantee you the vast majority of the difference you’re hearing is not the difference in sample rate
@@arcrane11 id love to have our take on the difference in sound. what do you believe is the main difference between these 2 very similar speakers?
I'm sending the speakers back today. In the sub-range, the bass reflex tube starts to rattle at room volume. A bass drum or sub-bass cannot be properly adjusted. I'm pretty annoyed.
That is why I recommended a sub if you are listening at higher volumes and want 40hz. They can do it but only on quiet mode.
Trs is tip ring sleeve/shield. Ts is tip sleeve/shield
At.least put your voice thru speakers man.
So glad they sent you a pair, this is the review I wanted to see! Can’t wait for the sound demo!!!
I’m a simple guy, I see a video from Zeos, I click on it. 🍿
NS10 response looks like shit because it is haha
DSP needs to include the sub. Speaker measurements definitely matter to know how well a speaker can be EQ'ed(DSP).
Just set the Lopass and do a speaker crawl, no?
@@lawrencewang3327it’s a lot more involved than that. Bass should almost always be eqd to tame peaks
Using the smartphone model has been game changing on my iLoud Precision MTMs. Make sure you’re listening to the lower end models in mono.
You don't need to hear opinions to know how something sounds. Those people are more likely to suffer a form of confirmation bias or selective bias or some other bullshit bias where they think they hear things they don't. In other words, it's the measurements that are the only reliable method to determine performance. I've yet to hear a single good measuring speaker that sounds anything less than good.
Ah the Yamahas.
Please review the iloud precision mtm. I bought the original mtm thanks to your review = best purchase ever. I want to know if it makes sense to buy those precisions.
It too me ages after they started making monitors after their portable monitor before I took them seriously due to their entire company branding... it's like Amazon basic type branding where a company makes things for a demographic they know nothing about.... they sound more like a gaming brand of products
i do not get it with active speakers, get your own dsp unit and you can adjust peq and do not need the active monitor, and you get subwoofer control also. and for many powered or active speakers have hiss noise.
and why the hell does it have port.....
Z does not love everything... there so many you don't and if something is just good enough you'll know to pic up on you not gushing over it... very simple... then Z will give you a true depiction of what type this item is... is it flat and transparent and revealing or is is adding a whole bunch of warmth and thickness and what type of that it is...or whatever... even if this one thing excels at being played at a low volume will being able to hear the song as it's meant to be... anything
90's: NS10 S (studio) 80's: NS10
Most likely
Q: besides software did they change the drivers? A: MTM MKII sports more efficient drivers
I just want to press the buy button, but than you told us micro gets mkII😂.
Yeah, those “White 90’s” speakers are so bad and that’s why they are used, as it’s unlikely a modern system will sound worse, so the engineers can hear a worst case scenario. Similar reason they test their mixes in cars, it’s a totally different ball game than at home.
Great bass is unachievable in a concrete basement. Far better is upstairs in a wood frame house that lets a lot of bass through the walls rather than resonates it for far too long.
Are they worth the extra dollars? How much better than the original and would they destroy my iloud micros ?
Greetings.
Do you have any info when iLoud Micro mkii will be here ? :3
I got them and sent them back they sound like plastic speakers bro
half the prise as used SUPERMON MINI
Room correction is a must. My solution is using a $70 UMM6 calibrated mic with REW and EQ APO. I'm very happy with my KEF q150 w/ a sub for my desk.
Speak of the devil. I just referenced those as not good nearfield in this videos comments.
I would quite like to give the Precision MTMs a go.
white 90s = Yamaha HS9, I believe.
NS10's
They are good because they translate well to other speakers... they are awful and music will sound awful and when it sounds goodish you have a perfect mix
Raised treble to fool the novice.
maybe HE is home entertainment?
white 90's = Yamaha NS-10
zeos, is the minilift above you quiet?
I want to get one that I can aim at me at my MLP, but worried they are too loud, and will increase noise floor.
On MUTE fan mode you barely hear it
when are you going to trash the 23
$100 more than the original.
A classic Z review ! Kudos sir
Do you need the software running in the background on your computer to get the benefit of room correction?
No it loads the profile into the speakers so you don't need a PC at all
Mark I s were amazing but no matter what I do, I couldnt get rid of the hissing in the background. According to forums, it was very common.
Swapped the cables, connected to zendac, directly to pc but couldnt solve the heavy background noise…
Most budget (sub $1000) Studio monitors have a slight hiss. But so long as it isn't noticeable past 12 inches I tend to just accept it. At this distance I can't hear it.
@@ZReviews Thanks for the info Z.
I ve been using micros with the same mentality and ignoring my OCD on this one 😅
30:30 lol
how did he even connect the subwoofer? it sounds great!
He did explain that in the video. He was using the balanced outputs of the DAC for the speakers and the unbalanced for the sub. Apparently, the topping can output to both simultaneously. He then set a high pass filter in the iLoud software and a low pass filter on the RSL sub.
But you do love everything you put on your desk? 🙃
No, I have had a few stinkers. I tend to try and forget those. Something like the KEF150 were way too bright.
I gotta give the gold medal to Kali. Sorry.
No way these are way better
What would be your speaker for around 200-300 $?
The iloud micro mini
Kali Audio LP-UNF
Jeeeeeeeeesus they are expensive for the V2
They are the same the Mk1 s were?
What subwoofer is that
RSL, I linked it in the description
0:42 🤣🤣🤣❤️
Z has dik on his mind, tried to save it with dictate 🤭🤣
DICKtate
@@ZReviews 😂
cheap port chuffy product. they dont acknowledge their faults either, forget this company.
Can't, they're too good
What would be a better studio monitor pair for under 300$?
Kali Audio LP-UNF are great for 300 Bucks
Presonus Eris 5 and don't look back. They are great!
Ghost Bear's Legacy was an awesome game btw.
i bought the iloud micros because of you whenever you made your video and im still so glad i did. not gonna watch this video tho zeos hehe just came here to say that
Hyundai is on track for vehicle in vehicle emulation. I like it too. They are out to make EVs fun for the sake of fun.
800 for desk speakers??? And made in China.
And? China makes stuff. It's not that big of a deal
I will gladly review US or European made DSP corrected studio monitors that are under $1000. Just link me to them.