@@RockHunter-v7jwell we wouldn’t know unless someone looked into it would we. There are already documented cases of foreign nurses with fake qualifications in the NHS so why is it inconceivable that there may be some doctors with fake qualifications.
Another possible example of both our corrupt systems and disastrous legal system. I have no idea of the reality, open minded but have experience of our pathetic system.
The Jury were not informed about fey facts in this case. There is no blame attached to the Jury who could only make judgement on the information given. The prosecution was "a stranger to the truth" in various ways and the expert witness blatantly lied. The Jury were not aware that Lucy was not on shift when 10 of the babies died. The Jury were not made aware of the raw sewage and killer bugs on the ward. One of the lead consultants blamed Lucy for the death of a child that he killed, be it all accidentally!!! I could go on--- literally for hours!!! FREE LUCY LETBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“The mother of one victim described hearing her infant scream, and walking in to find him with blood around his mouth and Letby in the room. She testified that Letby had attributed the blood to a nasogastric tube, saying "trust me, I'm a nurse."[51] The baby's condition soon worsened and he died a few hours later.[51]” wiki
@@DeneMonkey None of the parents had complaints against Letby until police told them she was suspected of murdering their babies. In fact, most seemed to have liked her. However once told by police she was suspected of harming babies their opinions became biased and their evidence worthless.
@@DeneMonkey Dried blood. Meaning the bleeding started beforehand, we don't know when. LL happened to be there to help a baby clearly in distress and she gave the best explanation she could. That's all we really know.
@@Lonsome1223 Wrong. 28 cases of collapse and she was not present at all of them. They ignored the other cases and told the jury she was present at all the cases.
NO, she was present on every occasion on duty or just finished her duty Why did these cases stop when she was suspended. WHO KILLED THOSE BABIES AND WHY!!
@@Lonsome1223 Wrong. Pls research this. They dropped the suspicious events when she wasn't on duty from the original 28, but then added others later after more trawls thru the notes.
@@ASDwntWell, I can think of many who couldn't say "neonatologist" or understand what one is. However, for a journalist to struggle with its pronunciation is an entirely different matter.
As to the defence expert witnesses: i saw an interview with a uk doctor who testified in a court case for the defence (concerned a sudden infant death). She was eventually proven right, but never practiced again. I heard Dr Dimitrova who cooperated on a RUclips documentary which doubted the guilt of Letby is removed from the Ockenden review. No wonder UK doctors are hesitant to publicly come out. Also: in the similar Lucia de Berk case in the Netherlands the defence DID call it’s own expert witnesses, but in the general climate of this ‘killer nurse’ nothing contradicting witnesses declared was accepted by the court. Not even the fact there were in fact more deaths on the ward in previous years (missed by the prosecution because the ward changed names) made an impression.
Great the anchor can not pronounce the word - never having heard it before Yet a jury of (non peers) are meant to understand the word and further more the processes that type of doctor and nurse performs Therefore they are easily hoodwinked by a quack This is so unsafe
Me and my mate lucy thought from the start it looked dodgy, she just didnt look sound or act as if she is capable of these crimes. Good old bit of street sense i suppose you could call it.
It would be interesting to hear (of course, it’d never happen) the views of the original jury members from the trial to see if they now feel they were misled by the expert witnesses. With all the new information/evidence being put forward, surely they themselves have doubts.
@@grumpygramps1451 best not to engage with the trolls who relentlessly monitor comments sections. They only joined YT 2 weeks ago. Tomorrow's press conference is 10am.
@@RockHunter-v7jit’s not always the case that facts are presented at court. Expert witness testimony can be based on an informed opinion! Unless you’ve actually seen the evidence & the way it was presented then you’re not in a position to comment on the evidence or the disclosure given to the defence.
Sorry very sad for the lost babies , god bless them , but I do think that Lucy has been the fall guy (girl) for a department that has been mismanaged and the doctors and mangers club have let her take the can.
Asta Juskauskiene is another victim of the UK court rooms and cruel justice....she is innocent yet was convicted of murder despite not even being at the murder which is not even disputed by police it was her boyfriend and he got life. There exists not even one piece of solid validated evidence against her, all circumstantial. She is innocent and has now served 5 years of a 24 year sentence . Imagine the judge the prosecution barrister and his team and the defence barrister and his team all knew she was innocent yet put her away for 24 years at a cost of 65 thousand pounds her year to the tax payer. Hard to believe what the UK is coming to and no wonder the prisons are full.
What about the parents of one of the babies, who said they caught her in the act of doing something suspicious to their baby. They were interviewed saying so on live TV. I watched it!
Let's hear from the parents unbearable loss of their beloved baby's? And their opionions, to what they think about the evidence? This must be absolute emotional torture for these parents, enough already unless u have absolute evidence to justify letbys innocence. Stop ENOUGH of the PAIN for these PARENTS Loss. 😢
So you’re of the opinion that she should rot in prison for the rest of her life whether she’s innocent or not just because those parents sadly lost their babies. What about the pain of her parents if she’s innocent?
If you think the parents have been living in a bubble for the last year and have not followed any of the truth that's been coming out then I kind of get the point. But they will know the case better than anybody and, despite how painful it is, they will want to know what really happened. So let's think about the parents and hope the whole truth is revealed.
Why was'nt she shouting off the rooftops at being innocent, or pleading with the police that she had not done anything on the camera footage when the old bill entered her home and arrested her. She was like OK man, I'll come with you, it's a fair cop! If you were innocent, any right minded person would plead, including raising your voice to protest they had not done anything, especially when the law turns up at your door. You would'nt concede and give in at the first hurdle if you were 100% innocent.
This question has been raised and answered a number of times elsewhere. By the time that she was arrested, as shown briefly in the footage during this discussion, the investigation had been going on for about a year and she had been repeatedly questioned by the police and denied her innocence. It is thought that by the time of the arrest she had realised that it was going to happen and any amount of protest would be futile.
She has been suspended and she knew she was under investigation by the police. She was also on very strong anti depressants due to what was going on. If you're not the type of person to kick off, why would you.
@@ChiefWizard666 Point noted. I'm just looking at it from a natural human emotional perspective. If you have not done anything, it's natural to be angry and aggressive back to the accuser. It's a built in reaction with most people.
Lucy must have been in a state of shock as anybody would be, I would have acted the same as her. What disturbed me is the fact that police handcuffed her (she was hardly going to run away) and filmed the arrest. It was theatre from the start as far a the police were concerned.
Letby is surely innocent. Not a strong showing from Edward despite weighty research and videos on the subject by him and John Sweeney. Worth watching David Davis' media interviews about Letby.
There is NO evidence that points to Lucy's guilt. The babies she was supposed to have murdered had post mortems and were found to have died from natural causes. Unless of course, you prefer to believe a discredited (in a previous case) paediatrician who fantasized about air embolism and insulin poisoning.
@@inannamoonchild7643 Stephen Brearey and Ravi Jayaram called in the police, thus inviting scrutiny. That scrutiny was on LL as long as the courts threatened anyone who dared to publish anything about the case with contempt if court charges. Now, the tables have been turned. The scrutiny has been turned to the criminal gang if 7 consultants. Conspiring with the police operation dumbbird and Dewi the welsh warbler to make it all fit, and cover for Brearey's killing of Baby O. Now, they're all quivering in their boots, because that scrutiny will put them in jail.
She's guilty as sin, anyone who doubts it is too lazy to research the case. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence but all in all the evidence is overwhelming. A doctor hears the alarm ringing and goes into the room to find a baby with its airway pipe off , Lucy is at the bottom of the bed doing nothing while the doctor is adamant the pipe couldn't have been dislodged by accident.
In the case you mention, he only remembered about it 10 months later😂. The appeal court judge said his testimony didn't tie in with the notes at the time. It's as close as you'll get outside a sentencing, to a judge saying some one is lying!! Jayaram is in line to go to jail for perjury when LL us exonerated.
@colinjohnston9614 I have watched his interview and believe him. If I were accused of all those murders I'd have been in court for my sentencing, not being too cowardly and ashamed to face my accusers.
@DeneMonkey there is a long list of circumstantial evidence, which was the basis upon she was convicted upon. There are now a lot of questions being asked over that evidence and it is increasingly looking like this needs to be looked at again.
What about the parents of a baby, who were interviewed for a TV documentary I saw, stating that they caught her in the act of doing something she shouldn't have been doing to their baby! 🤔🤔
"they caught her in the act of doing something she shouldn't have been doing to their baby" - Well, that's very specific. Were the parents neonato - neonate - neonatal nurses?
Sadly a mum l who doesn’t know how procedures used and in a highly emotional state may have been wrong…and I’m not criticising the mum… things aren’t always what they seem … and maybe if the case hadn’t come up, she would never have doubted anything… so so sad for anyone losing a child…and blame probably helps … I don’t know, just thinking….
Always thought she was a scapegoat for a badly run hospital
Maybe look at the amount of under qualified NHS doctors they allow to practice.
How many is that then ?? You’d know what an unqualified doctor is then ?
@@RockHunter-v7jwell we wouldn’t know unless someone looked into it would we. There are already documented cases of foreign nurses with fake qualifications in the NHS so why is it inconceivable that there may be some doctors with fake qualifications.
one of the doctors at the hospital didn't know how to do a procedure so used google....he may have been qualified but doesnt sound very good..
"This was not a North Korean kangaroo court" I think it was very similar. Many people have likened Lucy's trial to a 17th Century witch trial.
Only deranged Letby cultists who post about it 24/7
Another possible example of both our corrupt systems and disastrous legal system. I have no idea of the reality, open minded but have experience of our pathetic system.
Would you be happy for your baby to be born in a hospital with regular sewage cleanup in a place where the infection risk has to be at a minimum.
The Jury were not informed about fey facts in this case. There is no blame attached to the Jury who could only make judgement on the information given. The prosecution was "a stranger to the truth" in various ways and the expert witness blatantly lied. The Jury were not aware that Lucy was not on shift when 10 of the babies died. The Jury were not made aware of the raw sewage and killer bugs on the ward. One of the lead consultants blamed Lucy for the death of a child that he killed, be it all accidentally!!! I could go on--- literally for hours!!!
FREE LUCY LETBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where can this“evidence” you claim be found?
Totally Innocent...from day one ! call her Lucy !! Letby with respect and you did ....Respect to Lucy ! cant wait till she free 🕊🕊🕊🎗🎗🎗
There's a very good chance this is a NHS catastrophe and Lucy letby is the scapegoat
I'm convinced she was a scapegoat for wider mismanagement, a Conspiracy against her,by others more at fault?
“The mother of one victim described hearing her infant scream, and walking in to find him with blood around his mouth and Letby in the room. She testified that Letby had attributed the blood to a nasogastric tube, saying "trust me, I'm a nurse."[51] The baby's condition soon worsened and he died a few hours later.[51]” wiki
@@DeneMonkey None of the parents had complaints against Letby until police told them she was suspected of murdering their babies. In fact, most seemed to have liked her. However once told by police she was suspected of harming babies their opinions became biased and their evidence worthless.
@@DeneMonkey proving what exactly? That's right, nothing!
@@DeneMonkey Dried blood. Meaning the bleeding started beforehand, we don't know when. LL happened to be there to help a baby clearly in distress and she gave the best explanation she could. That's all we really know.
Lemme point out another "minor" similar Miscarriage of justice called... The post office scandal
They need to look at the hospital. Her defence team was nonexistent. People with high qualifications does not mean common sense is there.
Very sketchy evidence. I'm not sure how she can be guilty
She wasnt even there a lot of the time. Mistakes that happened that no-one wanted to own up to so find a scapegoat.
WRONG She was on duty on every occasion.
The only one that was.
@@Lonsome1223 Wrong. 28 cases of collapse and she was not present at all of them. They ignored the other cases and told the jury she was present at all the cases.
NO, she was present on every occasion on duty or just finished her duty
Why did these cases stop when she was suspended.
WHO KILLED THOSE BABIES AND WHY!!
When LL was removed the unit was downgraded “not taking in very sick babies”.
@@Lonsome1223
Wrong. Pls research this. They dropped the suspicious events when she wasn't on duty from the original 28, but then added others later after more trawls thru the notes.
She is definitely innocent this is a disgrace
Gotta say it smells rancid? Especially from the defence side - incompetent??
they couldnt get a defence witness because they were afraid of reprisals....that's not a good look for getting the right verdict..
“I’ve never heard that word before”
- probably every single juror
If there's a slight chance of this women being INNOCENT she MUST BE RELEASED, even given a NEW TRIAL.
Think they need to look further up the chain!
i did chuckle watching this dude attempt to say neonatologist. how does a man of his age not know what a neonatologist is
Embarrassing 😅
@@ASDwntWell, I can think of many who couldn't say "neonatologist" or understand what one is. However, for a journalist to struggle with its pronunciation is an entirely different matter.
How does he not know what a neo-natal doctor is? At his age?
@@turnitbackI can’t , certainly not just quickly reading it…. And I know many unusual words, as I’m a nutrition consultant !
@@Ophelia2474a neo- natal doctor maybe common to medical people, but not to the general public
You only have to look at the grooming gang scandals to see that there are people in higher places to protect
Dont call her killer nurse.
Jury found her guilty
Well said ! It makes me Mad too !
@@DeneMonkeythat’s the jury’s opinion
@@planethoth1238 so does this means any criminal isn’t guilty
As to the defence expert witnesses: i saw an interview with a uk doctor who testified in a court case for the defence (concerned a sudden infant death). She was eventually proven right, but never practiced again. I heard Dr Dimitrova who cooperated on a RUclips documentary which doubted the guilt of Letby is removed from the Ockenden review. No wonder UK doctors are hesitant to publicly come out. Also: in the similar Lucia de Berk case in the Netherlands the defence DID call it’s own expert witnesses, but in the general climate of this ‘killer nurse’ nothing contradicting witnesses declared was accepted by the court. Not even the fact there were in fact more deaths on the ward in previous years (missed by the prosecution because the ward changed names) made an impression.
Missacaiage of justice " statement of a crime isn't the evidence of committing a crime if there's no other evidence."
Great the anchor can not pronounce the word - never having heard it before
Yet a jury of (non peers) are meant to understand the word and further more the processes that type of doctor and nurse performs
Therefore they are easily hoodwinked by a quack
This is so unsafe
Me and my mate lucy thought from the start it looked dodgy, she just didnt look sound or act as if she is capable of these crimes. Good old bit of street sense i suppose you could call it.
It would be interesting to hear (of course, it’d never happen) the views of the original jury members from the trial to see if they now feel they were misled by the expert witnesses. With all the new information/evidence being put forward, surely they themselves have doubts.
New evidence 😂😂😂😂😂 its defence propaganda that’s never been tested in court
@ there’s a difference between propaganda & facts.
@@grumpygramps1451 yes facts are what’s produced in court under oath, propaganda is when you get a bunch of grifters to give a rabble rousing speech
@@grumpygramps1451 best not to engage with the trolls who relentlessly monitor comments sections. They only joined YT 2 weeks ago. Tomorrow's press conference is 10am.
@@RockHunter-v7jit’s not always the case that facts are presented at court. Expert witness testimony can be based on an informed opinion! Unless you’ve actually seen the evidence & the way it was presented then you’re not in a position to comment on the evidence or the disclosure given to the defence.
Does anyone know what time the conference is tomorrow?
Free her, Law an ass in UK
Sorry very sad for the lost babies , god bless them , but I do think that Lucy has been the fall guy (girl) for a department that has been mismanaged and the doctors and mangers club have let her take the can.
She is innocent. I always felt something was off
Your full reasoning and explanation for her innocence has convinced me totally that you are right and she is completely innocent.
Asta Juskauskiene is another victim of the UK court rooms and cruel justice....she is innocent yet was convicted of murder despite not even being at the murder which is not even disputed by police it was her boyfriend and he got life. There exists not even one piece of solid validated evidence against her, all circumstantial. She is innocent and has now served 5 years of a 24 year sentence . Imagine the judge the prosecution barrister and his team and the defence barrister and his team all knew she was innocent yet put her away for 24 years at a cost of 65 thousand pounds her year to the tax payer. Hard to believe what the UK is coming to and no wonder the prisons are full.
What about the parents of one of the babies, who said they caught her in the act of doing something suspicious to their baby. They were interviewed saying so on live TV. I watched it!
I think she was framed something was not right about this case from day one.
Let's hear from the parents unbearable loss of their beloved baby's? And their opionions, to what they think about the evidence? This must be absolute emotional torture for these parents, enough already unless u have absolute evidence to justify letbys innocence. Stop ENOUGH of the PAIN for these PARENTS Loss. 😢
So you’re of the opinion that she should rot in prison for the rest of her life whether she’s innocent or not just because those parents sadly lost their babies. What about the pain of her parents if she’s innocent?
If you think the parents have been living in a bubble for the last year and have not followed any of the truth that's been coming out then I kind of get the point. But they will know the case better than anybody and, despite how painful it is, they will want to know what really happened. So let's think about the parents and hope the whole truth is revealed.
is the presenter saying because a jury found her guilty all jury verdicts are correct..
I know if I was being charged for something i did not do I would be highly vocal about it. I did not get this impression from her at all.
Lucy letby is innocent and always was this is a miscarriage of justice
how do you know then callum
You can’t be a child killer, but also innocent..?
Your title is misleading.
I think shes innocent
Who F writes the thumbnail headers?
Why was'nt she shouting off the rooftops at being innocent, or pleading with the police that she had not done anything on the camera footage when the old bill entered her home and arrested her.
She was like OK man, I'll come with you, it's a fair cop!
If you were innocent, any right minded person would plead, including raising your voice to protest they had not done anything, especially when the law turns up at your door.
You would'nt concede and give in at the first hurdle if you were 100% innocent.
This question has been raised and answered a number of times elsewhere. By the time that she was arrested, as shown briefly in the footage during this discussion, the investigation had been going on for about a year and she had been repeatedly questioned by the police and denied her innocence. It is thought that by the time of the arrest she had realised that it was going to happen and any amount of protest would be futile.
I think this had happened to Lucy twice before - I think that she had just had enough of it all - They wore her down I think !
She has been suspended and she knew she was under investigation by the police. She was also on very strong anti depressants due to what was going on. If you're not the type of person to kick off, why would you.
@@ChiefWizard666 Point noted. I'm just looking at it from a natural human emotional perspective. If you have not done anything, it's natural to be angry and aggressive back to the accuser. It's a built in reaction with most people.
Lucy must have been in a state of shock as anybody would be, I would have acted the same as her. What disturbed me is the fact that police handcuffed her (she was hardly going to run away) and filmed the arrest. It was theatre from the start as far a the police were concerned.
Would there be this fuss if she is a different race?
Please tell us what you think?
Yes even more so , bit like the Stephen Lawrence murder , ever heard of Kriss Donald ?
or have dark hair and frumpy
@@DeneMonkey What's it do with race
Letby is surely innocent. Not a strong showing from Edward despite weighty research and videos on the subject by him and John Sweeney. Worth watching David Davis' media interviews about Letby.
Sweeney and Davis - two hasbeens at the end of their career desperate to get in the limelight
I've seen some documentaries from all sides ... evidence clearly points to her guilt
Watch press conference tomorrow
There is NO evidence that points to Lucy's guilt.
The babies she was supposed to have murdered had post mortems and were found to have died from natural causes.
Unless of course, you prefer to believe a discredited (in a previous case) paediatrician who fantasized about air embolism and insulin poisoning.
@@inannamoonchild7643 Stephen Brearey and Ravi Jayaram called in the police, thus inviting scrutiny. That scrutiny was on LL as long as the courts threatened anyone who dared to publish anything about the case with contempt if court charges. Now, the tables have been turned. The scrutiny has been turned to the criminal gang if 7 consultants. Conspiring with the police operation dumbbird and Dewi the welsh warbler to make it all fit, and cover for Brearey's killing of Baby O. Now, they're all quivering in their boots, because that scrutiny will put them in jail.
She's guilty as sin, anyone who doubts it is too lazy to research the case. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence but all in all the evidence is overwhelming. A doctor hears the alarm ringing and goes into the room to find a baby with its airway pipe off , Lucy is at the bottom of the bed doing nothing while the doctor is adamant the pipe couldn't have been dislodged by accident.
Its you that needs educating!!! The most prolific and blatant miscarriage of justice ever!!!
In the case you mention, he only remembered about it 10 months later😂. The appeal court judge said his testimony didn't tie in with the notes at the time. It's as close as you'll get outside a sentencing, to a judge saying some one is lying!! Jayaram is in line to go to jail for perjury when LL us exonerated.
If Lucy look different msm wouldn’t care
@colinjohnston9614 I have watched his interview and believe him. If I were accused of all those murders I'd have been in court for my sentencing, not being too cowardly and ashamed to face my accusers.
Dr Ravi Jayram is a proved liar, I thought everyone knew that by now. You're the one who is too lazy to research the case.
Wow that so bad saying she did not do it
What if she didn't do it?
she 100% didn't do it
There’s long list of evidences
@@DeneMonkey yeah, things like, she sent a sympathy card, and stuff like that, not evidence of murder at all.
@DeneMonkey there is a long list of circumstantial evidence, which was the basis upon she was convicted upon. There are now a lot of questions being asked over that evidence and it is increasingly looking like this needs to be looked at again.
What about the parents of a baby, who were interviewed for a TV documentary I saw, stating that they caught her in the act of doing something she shouldn't have been doing to their baby! 🤔🤔
So all her highly qualified colleagues never noticed, but these parents who have no idea what she is doing caught her out?
@@Marek-o3u I think you’d know if someone was harming your baby !!!!
"they caught her in the act of doing something she shouldn't have been doing to their baby" - Well, that's very specific. Were the parents neonato - neonate - neonatal nurses?
A mother came in and saw hee literally in the act
Sadly a mum l who doesn’t know how procedures used and in a highly emotional state may have been wrong…and I’m not criticising the mum… things aren’t always what they seem … and maybe if the case hadn’t come up, she would never have doubted anything… so so sad for anyone losing a child…and blame probably helps … I don’t know, just thinking….
@@elizabethstockdale2784that’s it - blame the victim and protect the killer
No she didn not
If that were true the case would not be circumstantial.
@@BrainInUseWarning that was court testimony, she was caught by the parent who knew it was wrong but couldn’t give a medical opinion why.