Gender Fluidity - Is It Time To Abandon All Labels? | Under The Skin with Russell Brand & Mae Martin
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Comedian Mae Martin joins me to discuss gender fluidity, breaking down barriers and the compelling statistic that 40% of people under 25 don't identify as gay or straight. Plus, we discuss her experiences with addiction and an intriguing obsession with Bette Midler.
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Seems like all this "identifying" stuff is just applying more labels rather than freeing people's behaviour from them? I don't see it as particularly helpful even if it comes from good intentions
I think these labels can potentially open our eyes to the diversity of human identity before we get rid of labels as a whole. Our use of many labels is freeing in the context of our society that enforces only binary labels. They’re not ideal.
@@stop4500 I see it as the opposite of that, requiring that everyone be defined as fitting into a certain box, seems OCD and pointless
@@artistphilb We live in a society that already labels people into binary genders and assumes people to be straight. I think these other labels are necessary to break down these assumptions. I agree with you that these labels are creating more boxes, but they’re forcing our society to stop assuming people’s gender and sexuality. This is a necessary step before we get rid of labels as a whole. Otherwise, it’s just erasure of their existence.
@@stop4500 necessary? For who? It seems people want to be offended.
You seem to be saying to get rid of labels we need more labels.
That's an oxymoron.
To rid yourself of labels look at the things in your room and don't label, call, for instance the toaster the toaster. It's an interesting mind experiment.
To me this uber identity modern youth fixation is the toaster saying I'm not a toaster, I'm a kambrook. Alas whilst that's the individuals choice it'd be foolish to expect the rest of the world to care because simply we don't.
@@chandrastar5939 How should we abolish gender without questioning the binary?
This whole social obsession with articulating one's own "identity" - be it around, gender, race, or "orientation" - just seems exhausting and silly. It's like the entire culture is forever fourteen years old.
then don't do it...tf?
who are you to dictate what people should and shouldn't do? if it brings them peace then why is it bothering you?
literally, just opt out. so simple
Agreed. How about we just focus on being a person instead of defining ourselves by boxes we may fit into.
@@XshopahollicsX Watching an entire generation spin its whiny little wheels over eyeliner and pronouns while the world (literally) burns does bother me, yes. And if I could "opt out" of this reactionary shit, and opt in to a genuinely radical culture, you bet I would! Unfortunately, the ubiquity of this faux-revolutionary pablum has made that pretty much impossible.
@@PonyTrotsky oh my god you have so beautifully articulated my unease with the current identity obession as well, thankyou!
To me these pathological narcissists are a consequence of hyper-capitalism and propaganda, just remember "because you're worth it". Being obsessed with oneself makes for good consumers and removes the threat of people coming together for common good. The identity obsessed zealots are just another tool to divide people.
i was walking in Camden with a friend and noticed this beautiful fluffy dog that i could not take my eyes off of, the guy holding the leash said something i don't remember and i glanced up very quickly just to seem polite even though i didn't want to take my eyes off of the dog and we smiled at each other briefly and i said bye bye to the dog and my friend and i kept walking, "what a beautiful dog", and then we stopped and looked at each other, i said "was that russel brand" and she said "ya"
Crying 😂😂😂
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This is so beautiful 💜😂
Love this 😂😂😂
Oh wow, I’d’ve been like noticing the beautiful MAN holding the leash! Lol! As for the video topic, I think we should not feel shy to recognize that the majority of females are born with an innate disposition of what we think of as feminine and majority males have an innate disposition of what we view as masculine. A typical feminine disposition gravitates towards an appreciation towards beautiful delicate things (like dress fabric) a little more than the typical male. It’s not to say that a significant number of males don’t gravitate towards beautiful things too, it’s just found more prevalent in females. I think the daintiness of women and ruggedness of men go back to hunter/gatherer days when life was all about working to survive well starting in childhood. Hunting food and building shelter was rough work and males have the muscles for it and they didn’t have time to gather beautiful flowers to decorate the dinner table but the women did. They had more time to contemplate beauty and emotions and food tasting and of course the patience to deal with children. Men had the serious job of allowing the tribe to survive the elements and nourishing with animal protein. All of this innate inclination is fine… it doesn’t need to be “corrected” just because we don’t “need” men for their physical strength doesn’t mean we should stop this innate behavior difference in men and women. I do however believe that gender fluidity is more and more prevalent due to no longer needing to relying on men (alone) for their physical strength due to machinery and technology and mass farming and probably many other reasons. We aren’t living in a world where a man is needed for his rugged strength leaving the woman at home to nurture children and ponder beauty and emotions. So the rising prevalence of LGBTQ, I believe (and I just thought of this now) is that the human race has evolved into less of a need for physical strength and children don’t experience or see gender differences in their home, or community or the world, the way we used to due to the lack of need for a man’s physical strength and due to equality of opportunity for women in every field of the workplace including where strength is needed like police force and firefighters. Okay so Russell feels like his daughter should be wearing pants because it’s practical, but girls who wear dresses are differentiating themselves from boys. The beginning of women retaining the practice of wearing dresses as opposed to men who evolved into wearing pants was their reluctance to show the shape of their body - being that it’s natural for men to want to see a woman’s shape cus it turns them on. Men are typically more sexually forward than women. So if Russell would like his daughter to remain less sexually desired by men or women let her wear the dress if she wants. It conceals the shape of her bottom half and perhaps says “you’re uninvited to gaze at my shape!” Nothing wrong with that.
For the people that actually make it past the title, there is some really honest talk in this conversation. It's definitely not an interview. It feels like you're watching two friends just finding each other. It's super comfy.
Yeah that's what I felt straight away - "super comfy" :)
Yeah I was literally about to comment then change the video when I saw your comment
It was cwtch in a manic Russell Brand sort of way. Seriously Russell, take a breath between sentences.
It's actually hard to come across people who are willing to listen and talk so openly and still be comfortable doing so, I miss that kind of conversation. I am a great believer in talking about issues rather then bottling it up till it's to late. But yeah I enjoyed listening to this.
not sure if you guys cares but if you're stoned like me atm you can watch pretty much all of the new movies and series on InstaFlixxer. Been watching with my brother lately xD
What a fantastic conversation between two open, intelligent people who really understand each other
They understand that they want to understand eachother
No thanks im a woman love being a woman call me a woman , period im not confused .
I just read so much terror in these comments - a lot of men terrified what it would mean if their most precious label got taken away from them. Look, if you identify as a male and it means so much to you, by all means embrace it. I like being a boy, too, but I recognize that a lot of things I identify in myself are social constructs. And if social constructs make up half or whatever fraction of my maleness, then there is no reason to claim biology is the only determining factor in your gender identity.
I don't think anyone was saying biology is the only determining factor in identity. The many who deny that it contributes in any way at all are the problem
rabbitfishtv so many insecure men in the comments so fearful that their precious masculinity will be stripped from them if they like a comment or post a comment that subjects them to being more open minded. oh, no..self awareness is scary 🙄😒
999 triggered males downvotes this video, guaranteed.
Well said.
White knight liberal 🤦🏻♂️
I think I'm addicted to Under the skin podcasts and Russell. His voice, his interview style, the way he speaks, and of course his energy, charisma, intellect, and beautiful self.
Yes he is beautiful and so intelligent and articulate
It must feel very pleasant to be interviewed by Russell Brand, he puts you at ease and he is a good listener.
being asked for a 3some isn't reall something that puts people at ease on air. I thought it was creepy then, it's even creepier now.
I'd love to hear Russell's thoughts on what the perception and verbalisation of masculinity is. It's great to be having the conversation about the variability of identity is, but as an educator, I have seen a decline in the ability to support young people (especially boys) to have a healthy and socially positive description and indeed a demonstration of being a man (and how it can and should include facets that keep being associated outside the male identity, eg emotions).
@@hiufuxthevideographer9877 agreed, and I hope that when the history of the 21st century is read and reflected upon it will have stories of Great Women, Great People and Great Individuals. My only point is how do we, as the generation that precedes these great ones impart and inspire them, how do we verbalise and communicate the way one should tread that path to greatness. In many ways (albeit still much more to be done) the oppression of women and non-male gender identities is ending and we are in the phase of empowering them, which is great. With a newly defined spectrum of ‘identity’ we aren’t really creating a positive and empowering model for men to become great. Historic great men had a very finite path to tread, the next generation need role models that embrace progressive thought
I don't necessarily think power for one means less for someone else, also we are talking greatness not power. When great people are developed they will possess power as a by-product, not because that was the objective. I suppose in a fundamental sense, we crudely described the male role historically as "make money, provide, fight, protect" and negatively associated "emotions, vulnerability, asking for help...". I would only like society to help develop a positive change to that vocabulary to provide a framework that young men can use as guideposts to empower themselves.
It's my subjective opinion. We have robbed men of their masculinity by interpreting their authentic masculine behavior in a negative way, blaming masculinity as whole for crimes some men did, using their masculinity, and leaving them with what is more or less *neutral* . We have robbed women of their femininity by interpreting a feminine woman as stupid and only to have intercourse with, taking advantage of her soft feminine nature, leaving also them with what is more or less *neutral* . Now we have the *neutral* society.
Women and men, depending on character, can take advantage of other people, can use their masculinity/femininity to do wrong things, misuse other people, treat them badly etc. It's yet not a reason to ban masculinity or femininity as whole. We actually all know that we should analyze a person not by its gender, looks, religion, heritage, etc., but by its OWN words and actions. Let men be men, and women be women. There is nothing reprehensible in being masculine or feminine, as long you treat other people with respect. Men and women should learn to value their own nature and the nature of the opposite sex, protect each other but also know how to protect oneself.
@@beryosa there's definitely some truth in what you say about trending to the neutral, how though, do we return to the positive. I think we need to be active participants through positive conversation, positive descriptions, positive role models, etc. A big part of what I have seen, subjectively, is girls and women giving positive reinforcement of negative behaviour (nice guys finish last type stuff). I just want to see more people stand up and be recognised and praised for speaking out and giving a roadmap of sorts. We need to fill the male development space (and women, or otherwise) with positive dialogue. Replace "boys don't cry" stereotypes with "men feel emotions too" and many many more. I think its great that we have had generations of women shouting, loudly and often, "women can do anything, become anything, achieve everything" we now have young women believing and becoming that reality after millennia of gender inequality. I would hate to see the rise of one come at the cost of pushing another down, "surely a rising tide lifts all boats".
“Men should not have emotions” is the most toxic thing that ever happened in history
For those of us who want labels, let us keep them. Gender fluid people can have their own reality and leave actual biology alone.
Hard to leave actual biology alone when you HAVE actual biology. Unless you're Mark Zuckerberg. Hard to leave "Sugar City " alone, too.
Especially when you're a kid.
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@Jack false. Gender is sex labeling used across multiple species. Even with birds and mammals. It identifies their hormones, behavior, and methods of reproduction. Fish do not have Tumblr.
@Jack they may not consciously have a gender identity, but their sex and hormones cause them to behave in a way that is locked into their biological DNA. Your semantics only help with a minority of people who do not identify with the sex of their birth. Their issues are NOT the world's issues.
There's so much toxicity on RUclips it's just so good to see two people talking earnestly in such a humble yet complex conversation.
Regarding the title of the video. No. They can abandon their labels. But, I'm not abandoning mine.
This conversation, with the way they express their own difficulty in trying to understand sexuality better, helps me feel more comfortable with my own ignorance. I really appreciate the content. 💕
I am 74-years old, and a retired rock musician, having toured the entire country. I have lived through everything from the civil rights movement, to the Free Love and the LSD years of the Swingin' Sixties, to Women's Lib, and even burned my draft card during the Vietnam War, fully willing to face the consequences of that. Many of my best friends are black, gay and lesbian. But I have to voice my complaint about what's happening today, *right here, right now.*
Every freaking time I see a TV commercial, there always HAS to be a black person, an Asian person, and now they're even trying to squeeze in an Indian or two. Just recently I've seen commercials with drag queens as their featured performers, and if I want to see that, I can just watch RuPaul. The whole genre has become so politicized and created to appeal to "total equality" that it has become a genre in itself... and quite frankly, I'm getting SICK of it. The truth is, there has NEVER been complete equality in this, or any other country. And now, they're trying to totally ELIMINATE all gender classifications. You can actually be PUBLICLY HUMILIATED for calling someone a "waiter or waitress," or a female actor an "actress." Not only is this petty bullshit getting on my last nerve, but it has NOTHING to do with actual gender equality, but only "political correctness," which I find to be gag-inducing nonsense of the highest order. I don't care WHAT bathroom someone wants to use, or who is banging who. In my opinion, these are strictly personal concerns, and no one, especially no GOVERNMENT has any right to compress us into their own, little boxes. Now, the Chairman, I mean... Chair PERSON of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, is actively promoting voting to eliminate the words, "Father," "Mother," "Grandfather," and "Grandmother" from the English language!!! This is clearly pathological insanity, and I cannot support it. The implications of it would create such useless division and mindless aberration in society as to be political suicide.
I believe that everyone has the God given right to do, or be, anyone they want to be. But that doesn't give ANYONE the right to shove it in my face, constantly and without let up. Whatever anyone wants to do behind their bedroom door is their business, but I don't want it to be MINE. It's time for us to get back to normal, whatever that once was.
Yes! I have no problem changing my life to better respect your's, but do not take away my identity in by doing so. I appreciated being a bisexual girl/woman. I want to be called she. I went through much bullying growing up involving who I was but I never tried to change the box I checked when asked what sex I am. It's ironic that in by trying to unify a people, we are more torn, when all we wanted was more compassion and less hate. Now I am straight and if I changed who I was back then, I would not only be scared mentally but also physically, like a friend I have who is back to being straight but now has no breasts and has many issues from the hormones that were given. I personally have been raped and do not feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with men and if I were a parent I wouldn't want my kid sharing a bathroom with the opposite sex at school. There needs to be compassion on both ends to respect our choices to live how we feel comfortable without hurting another person.
I find it ironic that since this interview mae has in a sense "abandoned all labels" while Russell has found a new audience that would likely perceive it as them just picking a new label for themselves
She's talks about addiction with a real personal touch, as an addict it's enlightening and actually troubling for me to watch. Well done for the video, she has a massive new fan
God, I love Russel Brand. I don't agree with him on everything, we differ a bit on perspective, but he is always so genuine and honest about his own feelings and identity. I love his vulnerability in this. So incredible. So beautiful. I am so admiring his perspective and experience.
What's with that dislike bar? This was a nice discussion between two comedians with backgrounds in addiction. She's quite young and humble, too. I feel like it's the title that annoyed all of you.
The title is annoying because it presents a semantic label rooted in gender stereotypes ( "gender fluidity" ) as being a 'positive' alternative to the biological labels of "man" and "woman".
same thoughts here.
I think maybe if you had to watch 10% of a video before you could thumb it up or down it might not be as prevalent.
I thought this was a great discussion too! Weird.
what's with the likes ? \o/ yay looks like people have finally embraced gender fluidity.
Transphobia and all other discrimination is now out of this world.
She just slowly gets more brittish as this interview goes on hahahaha love the two of them talking together.
We need a Brand/Martin show.
Be kind to one another, be compassionate and understanding and don't judge. Help everyone feel loved and included and society will be a better place. Peace.
Don't judge!? Everyone makes value judgements all day everyday, it's how you live. You can't be compassionate to 9 billion people.. are you mental!?
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Good comment!
Life's hard, death's harder.
Love's the pillow to share.
Yep but that has nothing to do with the subject. Mixing the pot with other sweet ideas I see.
I'm all about being kind, compassionate, understanding and nonjudgmental, but that doesn't mean I accept lies as truth.
Lisa Stark To each their own, but you can never honestly say that you truly understand a single issue. If you're unwilling to have your assumptions challenged, then assumptions are all you'll ever have.
Hi Russell, you met my baby Rachel a few weeks ago and helped her with tickets for Jimmy Carr. When she was growing up, she wore girls clothes and boy clothes and sometimes people never knew what she was. I didn't dress her for gender fluidity though, I just put her in outfits that looked cool. In the end, it didn't matter how I dressed her as a baby or child because they grow up, move out and live their own lives anyway. All you can hope for, is that you have made a strong, clever and independent person. I think I did that.
That's adorable, I hope you and Rachel are well!
There is beauty in feminine energy and beauty in masculine energy and then the combination between the two where some have more masculine energy than feminine energy or more feminine energy than masculine energy. Some people don’t need fancy dresses and prefer climbing trees while others love fancy dresses and being made up all the time. However a person is, respect is key. The personal pronoun movement has taken it too far though. When teachers are sued for using the wrong personal pronoun, it is too much. I don’t think children should feel strange for feeling guilty in feeling male or feeling female. Even plants have male and female. Animals are male or female. Now people are supposed to feel bad about stating that a woman has a uterus or ovaries is taking it too far. That’s not what this interview is about, I understand and Mae Martin seems to be the most genuine and thoughtful human being with humility. Personally what I miss is actually meeting people who have humility. It is such a beautiful trait in humanity. When we lived in tribes, drug addiction was not an issue, as whole plants were used. We live in a wage slavery system and people are exploited, marginalized and taken for granted. When people spend 30 years trying to pay for the shelter over their head and in perpetual debt, that’s no way to live and yet the system forces people into that. It’s terrible and defeats the human spirit. People are run ragged.
We are also meant to be intersexed, as are plants, and/or (re-)evolved to such?
But the idea of "feminine energy" is a construct. If we weren't inculcated with those definitions, we might perceive the variations instead of the narrow binary. We could label genders with the same nuance we do with color: there's orange, a combination of red and yellow but then further variations (tints) which we all readily accept, but had we been taught from the beginning that there are only three colors, blue and yellow and red those would be all we saw. We would tend to deny any information that there are many more possibilities. In your comment you are basing your conclusion on your initial assumption: there are two possibilities: masculine and feminine and everything else is a derivative. You are saying there are two "energies" based on these cultural constructs and you seem to think something will be lost if we don't keep buying into that artificial constraint.
Also: many women don't have uteruses. Some do, some don't. When you define "women" as people with uteruses, you're leaving some out. Being a woman isn't relegated to sexual reproduction.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 yeah, that's why we have the word *woman* as opposed to body parts to describe the sex. Which is what we have happening...women in particular...are being broken down into body parts which is incredibly dehumanizing. What, in the name of some delusional peoples religion.
"Bette Midler was your gateway"!! Two unbelieveable people having a convo. Love you both!
No thanks. I’m born female and I LOVE being female and feminine...would never change that. But to each their own.
I identify with loving all from the inside out. I be all to love all. Dont like it? Love you too!
There's something utterly charming about someone who doesn't quite recognize their own charm. Very innocent. 💞
I'm not sure who in the video you were referring to- there is a very performative sense of aloofness that is part of the persona though. I'm almost positive he is much more self-aware of the trait you are describing than your comment portrays.
this was enlightening.the high of love likened to addiction, and then the hideous hideous break up, and the total devastation . it all makes so much sense, now that you Mae Martin have spoken. thank you.
There is a difference between love and obsession...the body might not be able to tell the difference but that is why we have minds, so many people in toxic relationships think they are in love its sad...
Genders are "lables" if you look at them that way. The only person labeling you is you.
I don't want to live in a world where women and men aren't called that. We are different so it makes sense to name the two general categories. I also don't think it's my responsibility to learn, remember and faultlessly use the words for all the people who want to be referred to as somthing else. Wear a name tag if it means that much to you.
However I'm still happy to call us all human.
Ditto. The forced obligation to learn all the labels is an excellent point.
@@craigdonovan4277 I personally think these people believe there is some sort of paradise they are going to enter one day. One where we are all nice to each other ( even though we already are) and everything is free and they get to be rich without working for it. But when that day comes, then along comes China with their bombs, tanks, etc and slaps them into the ground because there aren't any real men left! They will have pussyfied every male to the point that there is no way that China will be able to resist not owning us! These children don't realize that just because they want something, doesn't mean the rest of the world will follow along! This amounts to something similar as the hippy movement!
Personally I think that this is such a small amount of people but the media makes it seem like it's half the country! Just like BLM, they are using the divide and conquer strategy! Think about what Americans on both sides would be doing right now if we weren't so divided! There is now way we would be putting up with all of Biden's disasters! But those on the left have there one agenda, whether it's those wanting immigration because they are new Americans and want their friends and family here. Or they are Lgbtwxyz and support Biden cause of that. Or they benefit from Bidens money printing in some way!
But no one wants Biden for more than one or 2 reasons! They can tell he doesn't know where he's at half the time!
But soon enough, all these people will see the true cost of Biden! Maybe they will see it, but I doubt it! They will get a pay raise and think that they are rich now, but sadly with inflation they will be losing but too ignorant to understand it!
But, things could get very bad, very quickly and if it does, then they will def understand it!
The more I see and hear the fabulous Mae Martin the more I love her!
The thing about bouncing the boy babies and cuddling the girl babies has blown my mind
Bounce and cuddle all the babies. All babies love some (safe) roughhousing and all babies need love and connection.
tryna find the experiment to see how accurate her description was, and also just to see it
Never ever seen anyone that didn't do both these things with BOTH boy and girl babies... seriously this is absolutely ridiculous. Studies can be carried out and skewed to give any pre described result, that is an actual fact and proven on many occasions, it's literally the very reason they exist !!!! This is exactly the issue with this really very limited and aimed type of comment from a person determined to prove their way is the right one
@@mamajax7551 the parent prob would do both yes but it's more about if you have a kid and a friend holds it then the first thing they're likely do do (coddle or roughhouse) is really predicated by their gender. you can't deny people react differently to little girls and boys without having wilful ignorance
@@mamajax7551 people look for bullshit in everything these days!! It’s hilarious 😂
"We're not far away from a society where you're staring at a screen all the time and the people on the other side don't love you and they just want to sell you things... anyway Mae Martin where can we buy tickets for your upcoming tour"
I mean that's how things have always been. There have always been salesman, and you wouldn't reasonably expect them to love you. Only difference is the technological advancement.
How do you think this show is paid for, how its employees are paid?
Omg... is this what they call, "breaking the fourth wall"
Well that’s the way they would like it to be. Now dr appts done that way. Since covid more work at home. All those damn commercials with families FaceTiming at Christmas. I think they want to keep us away from each other. I dunno I still read books that u hold. So many things that I don’t want to leave behind. I want to see ppl.. be around ppl.
I'm 66 and female and have basically lived my life like that but discovered gender fluidity, I guess, as a 4-year-old playing Mothers & Fathers with my best friend Simon who always wanted to be Mother but was not allowed to wear dresses. I felt so sorry for him, I'd be Father and let him pour the tea. He grew up "normally", married and had kids, then - I later heard - eloped with his male lover. As for me, I've always remained at a slight remove from my assigned role. Fallen madly in love with trans women. One mate Ted, a "grotty yachtie" who my future husband & I met while cruising the Great Barrier Reef, used to flirt with me all the time. We parted but continued writing. Then we heard he did the whole sex-change thing in Thailand. But in our letters we continued flirting ... ! Always feel unsafe about sharing this in person. I get a lot of aggro from straight women & gays don't like my ambivalence. Wish there was a group I could talk to.
Drugs are an escape of reality, your true consciousness is when you understand your self and accept who you are. Sounds simple but in reality, it may take your entire life to recognize it.
its takimg me forever to understand myself
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The only problem with this is that “sexuality” and gender are not the same. You can like anyone you choose, however it is not natural or humans would not need a male and female to produce offspring.
this hits differently now that we know about how Brand is probably just a creep.
It's honestly all confusing and I miss the 80's and 90's
Actually, 80s and 90s Boy George, Glam Bands, etc, etc!!!! 😬😬😬
@@georgiakiriaki True , but we all KNEW boy George was a BOY and everyone then wasn't a walking problem waiting to be offended.
@@zzbudzz True! 👍💕 But I guess what I wanted to say was that it was laying the foundation for todays confusion. 🙄😉💕
@Jack I have to politely disagree, it's starts from somewhere. Boy George sang the theme song for the 90s movie "The Crying Game". And Boy George was also featured at "Caitlyn" Jenner's "coming out" party, lauding him to be one of the first to make cross dressing, etc. "acceptable".
@zzbudzz
It's different now because everyone with a connection has a voice, and there is no shortage of places in which to express them. We're just being made aware of the many ways that people identify. We can never go back once the genie's out of the bottle.
If you identify as some sort of gender spectrum, fair enough, but dont push these ideas onto children it's not very appropriate as everyone is unique and important.
No.. we should never forget the origin of humanity.. your state of mind can define how u feel and who you want to be.. but biologically we can not deny the fact that what makes us men and women is also what is between our legs.. their is no shame in that nor should we resort to eliminating this basic fact
I appreciate the addiction talk. There needs to be more of it so we can try to eliminate the stigma around the subject. Being an addict myself, I find it’s hard to talk about with most people because of that stigma. They don’t seem to understand that we are still relatively normal people that want many of the same things they do.
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Thank you for sharing and being honest with your uplifting stories of addictions. There are giant steps being made to open up the scope for those addicted and those who say they have no addictions. Bravo team :)
Hearing Mae talk about their partents reading their diary really breaks my heart. I can't imagine how blind sighted they must have felt...
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@@retinarental1603 oh sweetie, all comments like that do is show everyone how attention starved you are. Do you need a hug? 🤗
Thank the lord for homeschooling so my kids won't deal with this nuttiness.
Just your nuttiness right? lol
Amen! I notice the only people who have trouble understanding themselves sexually are young and sexually inexperienced - except for the junk they are taught in public school....
I homeschooled my kids and the world blindsided them when they moved into young adulthood. Homeschooling is good, but it is not an escape from the society and culture that we are swimming in.
“A lot of adults, lots of inappropriate behavior...” Russell : “Let’s not judge them...” But if it was an adult giving your daughter drugs and “inappropriate” behavior it would be completely different... 🙄🙄🙄 Let her tell her story so maybe some kids can be forewarned.
He made and contradicted his own statement not attempt to silence of her it doesn’t at all but to make the point of not being judgmental
Yeah they glossed over that stuff, but you can see how she was lead astray and abused as a child and what she has become as a result. Her parents will have had no real power to stop her due to the modern legal system and messed up society.
The reason ppl reject it and me too is because you speak in terms disentangling and everything that is traditional is somehow toxic. If you feel different or identify as fluid I have no issue with that. The issue is with the aggressive way this movement, ideology is being pushed on the rest of us. And make no mistake it is aggressive, if I happen to call a transgender by the wrong gender, ppl will attempt to take my head clean off.
Political correctness gone mad it’s the radical lefts agenda. There are such things as facts I don’t care what anyone thinks they are including a unicorn but they are still born male or female. When you state your opinion or facts to liberals they just attack and label you a bigot, homophobic, racist etc the people that claim they are for equality, social justice, respect etc are the complete opposite. Biden just claimed the other night he supported a child being transgender at 8 lol how does a child even know what transgender is at that age. My son thinks he’s Spider-Man. You clearly also change at that age. You’ll likely get attacked here even on Brand’s forum.
@@emilynixon8864 The times we’re living in are really really scary...
Damn... Russell is sooooo articulate. Absolutely love him.
It's so refreshing to hear someone in the public eye with an Essex accent who has such an awesome vocabulary. As opposed to the stereotypes portrayed in most British mainstream media. Do you know what I mean babe?
He wasn’t always so articulate - he used to be a mess
@@emmajones4271 All the more impressive! You'll struggle to find someone with a similar past who is still that sharp I think...Alot of us couldn't articulate that well in the first place.
Russells accent makes it sound so much better
Live your life the way you want, just stop shoving it in my face.
People seem to feel very oppressed by having to listen to different people's experience of the world. One of those things where existing and talking is seen as synonymous with 'forcing' and 'rubbing it in people's faces' like just listen to the conversation, they're not just talking about politics.
Sex is biological and gender is a social construct. Whether you want to believe you're gender fluid or not is up to you, but your sex will always remain the same.
All these kids taking on gender neutral labels aren't really changing. They are just trying to be popular by being seen as different, avantgarde, living on the edge. All very worthy but it doesn't change who they are.
It's her choice what she says about her parents and her life but saying her parents threw her out after reading her diary only tells a fraction of what actually happened and does her parents a disservice.
I heard her as being non-judgmental about her parents’ choice. She said nothing unkind about them, and stated some simple facts. I hear an undertone of “naturally the whole thing was more complex than I’m getting into here” but the diary was the kicker for them. We here are all wise enough to know parent-kid dynamics are never simple.
@@jenniferseymour38
That's what I'm getting at. She's telling the truth but not the whole truth. If that's enough for you fair enough. But it's not enough for me on this occasion. If that's the way she wants to go that's up to her. No big deal.
"That's my bisexual earring that I wear"
It seems a lot of people here do not understand the difference between 'sex' and 'gender'.
Alex Alex so what is the different?
@haru No. This is the youth trying to rewrite the dictionary.
@@jarrod5855 exactly.
Why is everyone so busy trying to label everything? Just be whoever you want to be regardless of what's in your pants; but if you got a dick you're a guy. You can be whatever kind of guy you want to be and more power to you if wearing a dress and identifying as a woman makes you happy, but you're still male. If you want to identify as a female and be treated like a girl I'm respectful enough to do it, but let's not destroy science to compensate for people's insecurities.
@@user-lg3yj2fz2j you totally misunderstood my comment. You're only male or female, I'm respectful enough to refer to you by your pronouns if you respect my freedom to choose to do so; but ultimately I won't deny science.
@@Tinkeruk2010 spot on
Being uncomfortably honest about where you're at is my natural place. I wish everyone could be that way
He fell in love with Mae is fast as I did. This was so soothing to watch x
I'm going through the same phase Mae had with Bette Midler with Mae.
Love her show called Feel Good on Netflix
It's funny, the thing about "one day, you'll meet a man or a woman". I do the same with my children. Ironically, the gender differences manifest themselves. Our six years old son seems to have a very clear sense of his romantic feelings towards girls whereas our four years old daughter calls both girls and boys her "lovers" (amoureuse or amoureux).
And yet...if your daughter wanted to have children of her own, naturally, she would have to accept the truth in that a 'lover' isn't going to offer that unless said lover is biologically a man. And there in lies the issue. You can act, pretend, judge or not, and consider people as people which is totally fine and in a utopian society a wonderful thing. But we live in a world where knowing someone's sex is important. And gender is tied completely and totally to sex. Biological boys can never give birth to a baby. You can dress, act, have surgery, and call yourself whatever feminine name you want....but you'll never change the fact that you can't give birth. And rue the day when we cross that line and find a way to alter humans surgically to allow this. We have by then decided to forgo what it is to accept what human is. Much as some people refuse to accept what being born as a female or male is.
Neither sex is limiting. It's freeing to know there's one less thing you can control. And can't even if you wanted to. People die their hair to pretend they are blonde or brunette etc, but let nature be nature and the truth comes out.
And what on earth does it mean to 'act' or 'be' a man or woman in a world where the spectrum is so wide now. Where men that accept they are men can act, dress, speak and look more feminine than the most 'butch' female. But they don't try to demand that the world call them female. Because they aren't. Biologically. And doing anything less is just not accepting who you and what you are. And that is entirely a mental issue.
Legitimate intersex people aside.
I was born in a male body but am female. Heck...how many people feel they are born into bodies that aren't them? How many people born disabled don't believe that body is theirs? But alas...we can't 'fix' all people that feel they are born into a different body than they identify as. Such is the limitations of our technology. But we convince ourselves and others than the delusions they do have are justified where we have the ability to alter this.
Or maybe just accept who you are and allow yourself to express yourself how you want. They are two very different things.
@@lukefarrugia8432 Hi Luke, I respectfully disagree with your opinion that gender and/or sex is ultimately tied to one's role in the reproductive process.. There are many people, male or female, who are born without the ability to reproduce. As I'm sure you'd agree, this doesn't make them less of a man or woman or a human. I think that the world would be more simple to understand if everything fit neatly into the boxes we expect them to, but that is not the world we live in. I think the vast majority of people will continue living with the gender identities that they're assigned at birth, but for the minority of people who don't feel that is authentic for them, I would much rather seek to understand their experience of themselves and their life than force them into some label that's being projected upon them. I'll always take a complex truth over a simple lie.
@@lukefarrugia8432 there are so many ways to be a parent. There’s no need to reproduce at all. If we all adopted, there would still be children in the world in need of parents.
We are pretty gender neutral at home but as soon as they go to school they are hounded with questions about weather they are male or female even though our little one ID’s as non-binary. It’s so upsetting that the binary is so ingrained that a six year old fears to be themselves at school.
I enjoyed listening this very much. Thank you for sharing your perspectives and thought processes on a subject I don’t know much about.
I recently watched this RUclips video that fell on the issue of cyber bullying, it formulated a plot that everyone who makes really inappropriate comments online wouldn't do so in real form, it even fell upon the issue of trying to put yourself in the shoes of how the other person feels. So before you comment just think about the consequences it has on the other person, and if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
nonsense
Stop labeling by adding endless labels?
Russell you are amazing and Mae is as well. I am a huge fan of this show and the Trews and everything you do. But please consider employing a camera switcher for these longer podcasts, so we can really see your faces. So much is lost using just this one camera angle. As a newbie standup comic and a producer, I'd volunteer to do it for free just to get to hang with you guys! You're amazing.
Remember that time three years ago when you asked a multi-millionaire for a job via a RUclips comment?
@@jackallenproductions nicely done
Agreed. Especially with the limited light.
@@jackallenproductions imagine if it had worked tho
@@AbbydubsRUclips Honestly, I have nothing but respect for the minimal-effort hustle. Risk/reward ratio is definitely in the green.
Russell Brand is a bright and beautiful soul.
My version of tough love is not to kick my kid out but to spend more time with my kids and monitoring them. I, personally, couldn’t kick my kids out.
Were blessed to have such an honest person with a platform, ill always have a soft spot for Russell
Such a wonderful conversation...And glad you brought this out!!
No, it's time for people to accept the truth. Accept who they are and love themselves. When you pretend, you might believe it. But reality isn't suspended for anyone else.
Glad you're going to ask Gabor Mate to come on!
wow. this is the most important conversations I've heard in ages. just recently my sexuality, the labeling I grew up with has been a constant topic with others. whjen they ask if I'm straight, gay or bi; and I say I cant use those labels anymore. I see men who identify as straight, getting off on other men. i think there's shame there in feeling one must identify as straight. i like the word fluid, even that is a label too. but I like it. i get turned on by whatever adult turns me on. And addiction, that topic as well is multi layered. just a really good and important talk. thanks to the both of you.
I don't get it. I'm a male. I'm primarily heterosexual, but I'm not particularly masculine. I've been called submissive, but I'm not "a submissive." I would say I'm passive. But here's the thing: I identify as a service technician and a singer. I don't understand people identifying as a man or a woman. What use is that?
People banging on about their identity are generally narcissists who obsess about categories and labels. Until we just see people as just unique individuals, we will continue the divisive tribal group politics. I am, me, me, me, I, my ...blah blah
I didn't realise how accurate Mae's feel good show was to there actually life
this was an hour that flew by like a minute! what a delight! thanks guys!
I would change the title because it really does a disservice to the interview which is nothing less than wonderful in understanding life, human behavior, gender and addiction from two people that are intelligent and relay experiences that all people can benefit from.
The conversation is about so much more ...with depth and sincerity.
Proximal separation is when a parent is physically there but emotionally unavailable because they are too stressed and too distracted.
Me an intellectual: Uses the word oscillate
Russel a verbal volcano: Uses the word vacillate
Had to look that up...
Verbal volcano... Perfectly fitting. May I steal that?
@@khymaaren It's already stolen 😋
My daughter dated a non-binary human and it was difficult to transition from she/her to they/them. 52 years of gender labeling. But now I find myself asking and trying to change the way I word things…. Instead of “do you have a bf or a gf” it’s do you have someone you like?” Or “are you seeing someone?”
Gender is irrelevant. Sex is what sexual organs you have. It seems too many people are having problems understanding this.
Yeah. No one googles definitions of words they think they already know. The argument would die down a lot if they did.
If gender was so irrelevant why were women's rights oppressed? I mean it's obviously NOT just because they have a vagina. The logic/movement behind their oppression was bigger. It was about sociological related ideologies on women in regard to a gender based image of who/how men thought all women were and should be.
Mad V women are the most powerful beings. They are directly connected to the tree of life/ Mother Nature. With out them, we wouldn't be here. All of the worlds leaders and elites are men. They recognize a woman's intuition is too powerful. That's why there was women's rights oppression.
Mad V if every one was LGBT, humanity will die off. It's very un natural. I don't even know what the heck is going on with society. I don't hate any one, I am just disagreeing thanks :)
Gender idenitity and gender expression are connected to sex, that's a fact.
I do like both of these two. I binge watched Mae's TV series last month. I just can't get past this: What happened to body-positive, gender non-conformity? As opposed to "I'm not female/male and I am distressed by my body". And supposedly pronouns are so important. It just feels like that's the wrong path. I want to strive to be happy with one's sex but express oneself in whatever way feels best, regardless of how it fits in to the "gender" stereotype. How does that work with for example, a non binary identity.
I'm having trouble understanding your question, is it possible you're overthinking it? I'm not sure anything "happened" to body positive nonconformity, and is that different than being nonbinary? I think of that as different ways to suggest the same thing: the past gender definitions don't fit realty... But some transgender expressions do seem to suggest a binary, so it' that's what you're saying I agree. In the end it's an individual thing and no a one-size kinda thing.
People who get triggered by pronouns are most probably monolingual people, or people who do not know much about languages (might be bilingual, but never learned or understood the grammar). Most of the languages are more complex than English. Woke kids would have to come up with 42 words for each of two pronouns they identify with, if they wanted to include that bs in, let's say, a slavic language. Woke language is not just self-centric, it's anglo-centric.
I think I just figured out the answer to this whole gender/sexuality dilemma of our times while listening to you guys. Its that we the people of this "new age" need to learn and master sexual nuance. That is one of our major challenges/duties we have stumbled on. The reason for most of the sexually based mistakes and catastrophies throughout human history has been a combination of imbalance in the understanding of this nuance and the willingness of certain people to take advantage of this to their own ends and/ or persecute others for being at the extreme end of the spectrum of understanding of the nuance (either for being extremely naive or being extremely knowledgeable) and thus falling too far outside of the norm for the comfort and ease of others (being a nuisance to the attempt to regulate and simplify the vast expanse of variability in the human sexual sphere)
Understanding nuance is the solution.
I work in healthcare, and I am a pretty logical thinking person. So, I have come to a conclusion that our environment, and food have been throwing our hormone levels off from birth on. Result being people start to identify themselves differently because hormones effect our feelings, thoughts, and many other things. No judgement passed here. Just trying to make logical observations.
joe brown > I think too that this could be quite possible
Carolyn Lozan I know homosexuality has been prevalent throughout history, but this fluidity thing really has me thinking. Biochemistry makes up most of what we are, and do. So to assume it's the natural evolution of self identification is probably wrong. We have been ushered into most era's by multiple modes. The fact some kids don't feel like they are the gender they were born, or anything of the sort screams biochemical/ hormonal abnormalities. Seems like we are being experimented on... Just saying we are he lab rats for many corporations... Monsanto just to name one.
joe brown > My daughter developed really early into puberty. She started at 8 yrs. She had tests to make sure she didnt have something like a tumour on her pituity gland that was triggering hormones and early development. She didnt, thankfully. I asked the health specialist then why was she developing early. He didnt know, but he said that kids are developing earlier these days. I know that there is a theory that it is the food that we eat nowadays, and that could be a possibility. The health specialist said that she could take hormones that would delay the development if she wasnt coping, but also advised me that it would be best to let the developmental process go naturally for her, considering they could not find anything detrimentally wrong with her, even though she was developing extremely early. I chose not to use hormones. And it was hard for her to start to get use to developing an adult body at a young age. I just made her feel good about her womanly body, and we both worked out a strategy or a right of passage of becoming a woman, or the woman she wished to be in body and connecting with mind. She then liked the idea of becoming a woman and felt more comfortable with her body. Society use to have ritual right of passages for kids maturing into becoming an adult, and what thier role and responsibilities were etc. In this way, they were sure about thier identities and what that meant etc. I think society has lost the art of these right of passage ritual, so kids are growing up not knowing who they are and even hating themselves and not connecting with thier own bodies.
Carolyn Lozan bless both your hearts. You are an awesome mom! It's true, they have been giving hormones to chickens, milking cows, beef cows... Lord only knows. The fact is we don't know what the long term effects of ingesting these hormones are, well I Believe we are finding out now. Added hormones to food, prescription drugs, additives in our food other than hormones like artificial flavor or color, and preservatives. All cancers are on the rise. We diagnose younger patients daily. It's only a matter of time until we wake up to what's actually going on. I'm afraid it will be too late. We have given control to people that see us as means of profit. Healthcare is the same way sadly.
Carolyn Lozan in regards to the loss of rights of Passage. That has definitely played a big role. We are steadily losing family values and morals. Do to a multitude of things. So many things in fact I can't even list them. Society is being herded into this by a multifaceted passive attack. In atemps to keep us unaware of the degradation of society they keep us distracted with news, gadgets, war...
Russell Brand is so amazing with words that he can make you feel like murder is totally normal and everyone should be doing it. lol
or that they shouldn't. His effectiveness with language is in service of principles which seem benign and intended to minimise harm to anyone.
I don’t like identity politics in the slightest and believe we have all been here before this the identity and freedom of an individual. That means that I don’t really like the juvenile thoughts tossed around but the conversation about human condition and that we can all struggle with the same issues regardless of what current tribes we identify with should be a continued.
PS Canada and compelled speech laws are the wrong direction to go if you are in a free society.
Franky it is a disaster. Inviting horrors to come.
I think Mae is a wonderful talented individual. Her stand up is unique. I really like it when the younger of her crowd is trying to clock her on identification and terms. There have always been Mae in the world but an interesting speak.
So open and genuine. Ty keep up the conversation.
Thank you Russell for all the good you do! 🌹
Mae is very good looking 😍
Crush at first sight
Russell is cute; Mae is a adorable. Russell's a bit crusty, but at my age crusty is cute. Either one would be fun, if a bit exhausting, to date, and that is what Bi is.
God yes.
Yep
Cant really see what they look like. The person in the back is better lit!
it is time to abandon labels like agender, binary, trans, non binary, cis, demi, gender fluid.... i forget them all...weren't there like 80 other labels?
Thank you! Talk about labels.
Simple ones like "woman" is what I go by.
Yes, get rid of those labels you are speaking of. Who can remember and who cares? Shouldn't we just be human? If a person what's do be androgynous, cool. David Bowie was playing with stuff back in the day and we didn't require labels for this. No to labels. Just calm down with the 80 plus ones we are expected to remember or use by some people! FREE COUNTRY do what you like and I will do same!
How dare you forget all 80 labels! Bigot! Hope you at least manage to give the exact definitions of the few you were able to remember and can combine those with their corresponding Rainbow based flags. :D
As a "gay" guy myself (Gay isn't even what I want to identify as, because it's being reduced to something political...), I can now fully see why conservative people would be against gay rights, and were asking "where will it end if we'll legalize it??" Because I've been asking that myself as well, watching the "LGBTQI+" (That word getting longer and longer is another great joke) folks demands...
@@SandraLovesSunWhen it comes to this subject I only have to remember one ie Fuck Head .
I adore Mae Martin and the conversation is smashing. Again, thank you. Enlightening stuff. xx
"Beautifying outsiderness" (on Morrissey) thank you Russell for once again finding the nuance, that's exactly what he did.
Remember
Alcohol is the real gateway drug.
So true
I wish Mae’s face was in focus.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
I understand that many don't like labels particularly if they don't fit the main ones, but to suggest losing gender labels to someone who strongly identifies with their gender label equally wrong. Be who you are people! I am happy with whoever you want to be but I am me/she/lady/miss/girl/pink/princess and I have cis and trans friends who totally associate with binary genders.
There is no point in strict distinctions and beliefs about any of the genders/sexes.
That's exactly how it should be, cis and trans people identifying either within or outside of the binary depending on how you feel. That's wonderful, and a totally legitimate thing to want -- few would disagree with you, especially, like you said, binary trans people who have fought hard to be seen as their binary gender
@Luke Farrugia No one has the right to make demands on all of society to conform to what makes them feel comfortable when it goes against their whole belief system /Truth...Love does not consist of lowering standards to the point it's a lie you have to push for someone to feel ok about themselves!
@@isishathor1238 Sex isn't a "belief", it's biological fact.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 Biological genitals are real. Gender identification is personal, and has nth to do with genitals.
How about we just agree to not force each other's gender beliefs on one another? I won't force anyone to conform to normative roles and you don't push your fluidity on me? Ok?
I, as a person who suffered from gender dysphoria almost all of my life, do not in any way or form want anyone to tell you what to call anyone. Being called a certain gender is not an issue at all for us, i would like there to be a focus on getting people who suffer from these gender identity crisis to get help managing the confusion and the feelings surrounding you, not to cure them but to support them in their way to figure out what is happening in their minds and bodies, and how to live with it if it is permanent. Maybe you are stuck living as an in between, maybe you have no clue what you are, but asking people to call you something new will only divide us all further, and it wont help you feel any better about what you are experiencing. My issues completely vanished during my 18 year, do not know why, but i had several suicide attempts before that, not because anyone was teasing me for wearing male clothes and behaving like a male. But because my feelings where overwhelming, even though everyone was supportive of my decision to be a boy full time. Focus on the help to get therapy not on pronounces.
Hormone levels are getting messed up from all the drugs and chemicals in the environment.
THIS :)
*Me wearing my bisexual earring*
My mom: "don't u think people might assume that you're not straight?"
yeah mom that's possible😏
Dude, I love you, but when you have a boy, don’t be surprised if he wants to get ornamental and wear dresses. Some of us are visual artists and love to drape ourselves in beauty.
@Luke Farrugia I hear you
@Luke Farrugia "No-one actually cares what you want do wear or who you want to sleep with..."
How I wish this were true! 😂
So many new categories are coming about as a way of explaining how not everyone relates to the categories and underlying social rules of their given gender. So the two categories don't work perfectly fine for a lot of people, as it always has been, and now we have language to explain it and people won't be shunned from society for addressing it as they would have been in the past. There have been a lot of people repressed for a long time...
interested to know what you think a year on!
My uncles are hard gay liberal hippies (together for 22 years now) and I lived with them through college in Portland. One thing they hated was labels. That didn't ever want to be refered to as gay, queer, non straight or what have you because they felt it took their identity and person hood from them in the eyes of their peers. They come from a different time where being in a gay relationship didn't come for free like today's society is accustomed to. They're relationship shattered friendships, family relationships, and cost a toll on professional life circumstances in addition to not being legally allowed to marry. They went through a struggle to be with eachother and fought for it regardless. Now today, going through all that, they still don't wish to be labeled as "gay" or what have you because they are people like the rest of us, not wishing to be mentally or verbally identified by their sexual preference. It's not their identity to be gay, it's just a small part of who they are. Young people today are yearning for guidance, drive, purpose and meaning. Past generations grew up with clear and rigid structures in place to guide who they were or should be and they choices they should or could make. This generation is so broken and raised so poorly that they don't feel they have enough individuality or substance to be a person on their own with value. Now their value is gained in a free fashion through taking a small part of their personhood such as their sexuality and having it become their identity. It emerges this feeling of foundation in themselves and outwardly in life knowing they have a large group of others in the same boat. We used to have gay, straight, bi, and trans. Now we have LGBTQAIPZER...etc because people who conform to standard baser sexual instincts still have the need for guidance, substance, self worth, health, group foundations and an overall feeling of safety and support in life and being valued. People are simply adding and defining new ways to marginalize themselves so they can have a group. It's unhealthy and it's diminishing of people character and interest. I can talk to woke 'they' leftists for a couple minutes at most, not because I hold ill will towards the, much rather that I hear the same person speak the same words every time. I'm interested in people that have an identity of value, not people who are emotionally yearning who took a sexual preference and made it their identity in the stead of having one.
Lord help me, when Mae said she played Charlie Brown as a kid I fell totally in love. And then she mentions Dr. Gabor Maté!? Where has this gem of an individual been all my life? Wonderful discussion, low-key and genuine; absolutely beautiful. Off to Google Mae Martin and pray she's on tour and will be in Washington state in the near future.