I remember visiting the ship as a teenager in the late 90s and wondering why there would be a non-watertight door leading outside on the main deck, when there was a hatch and door inside and close by. It never made sense to me and I remembering wondering why the Navy would do such a thing. Question answered (in part)! An answer 20-something years in the making! Thanks for the follow-up Shane! I really enjoy and love how you guys interact with the viewers and members and go out of your way to show we are really being listened to. I guess the question is now: Who the heck put it there and why?
Bryce, thank you for your comment and your compliment of our interactions! It's appreciated. Yeah, it was a weather protector no doubt...when the hatch was open (which would have been whenever visitors were on board, the weather would go down into the aft fire room, where that hatch leads. Think of it as a large steel umbrella for the deck opening. I'd like to remove it, and bring some more authenticity back! Appreciate it as always!
Very true! that hatch leads to the aft fire room, which before the sinking was on the tour route, so it would have been open all day for visitors no matter the weather. There is the original shield, but it was expanded out. Thanks again as always, Gary!
Thought so. I’ve seen that kind of addition done to other museum ships to try and keep foul weather out of a moored vessel. Does that quarter face a direction that a lot of wind, rain and snow comes from in Buffalo?
Great thought, kenneth! You are correct - that is the weather side...especially when the ships were bow to stern. It got the full brunt of the weather. Now, there is some protection with Little Rock nested outboard of it. No doubt it was for weather protection!
Video idea.... Do a "prep for drydocking" series. Quick segments on all the moving pieces (pun intended) before USS The Sullivans and USS Croaker move out of the Buffalo River.
Great idea, Cece. Steven and I have talked about this...doing like a "behind the scenes" - kinda like what football and hockey teams put out during draft time...the conversations, meetings, et cetera! Thank you!!
Excellent (and fast) detective work! This brings up a general question: how do you "mark" post service additions so that when our grandchildren are taking a tour, they can understand that the "doghouse" came into existance after the ship had been converted to a museum?
Great question, rclooking99! We haven't been great on indexing museum ship additions, but I will be working to correct that over the next couple of years! Appreciate it as always!
One look at the hinges and the hole for the doorknob tells me that it was unlikely to be there when the ship was in service. That doesn't look like the way that the Navy does things on deck.
Agreed...first glance says "No way"...but, it's always better to have evidence to back it up...for example, it could have been built yard workers when Sully had her last dry dock in March, 1965. Thankfully the evidence shows no!
If that was to have been added after it was a museum ship then it was most certainly not there when the Sullivans was in mothballs in the 70’s. I remember being mored just aft of the Sullivans in the back basin of the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in 75 or 76. We tried our best to perpetuate the ghosts stories about The Sullivans.
For weather to protect the hatch when it was open, which it was all the time because of our tour route prior to our sinking. That deck hatch was always open when visitors were on board and it probably took the brunt of the weather, and weather - whatever it was would go down the hatch into the aft fire room.
The deck hatch right there was open because before the sinking that part of the ship (aft fire room) was on the tour route, so the deck hatch was open every time visitors were on board - from March to November. So, they probably found that it was allowing weather to go into the hatch and down into that space. So, it was for weather protection. Now that those areas are not on the tour route, i would like to revisit this, and remove it! Thanks for watching!
Just a question- if you find something like this which was added after the ship was in service, do you mark it as such so visitors and museum staff know?
Thanks for watching, but we haven't been very good at that index. I'm hopeful with our RUclips documentation this is the beginning of me creating that index...and maybe over the winter I will be doing this in earnest! Thanks for your support!
How does that structure fall into your interpretation year - 1962, correct? Why was it presumably needed? What is it's purpose today? If it is not needed you should consider having it removed, it's ugly.
jbellos1, thanks as always for your support! It doesn't fall into our interpretive year is the best and easiest way of describing it. There is an original shield outboard of the doghouse, so I am looking to have the rest of it removed, possibly during dry dock!
Your handle picture says it all, TimNesSmith! : ) Anyway...a doghouse is slang for an addition to give added headroom near a hatch. We also have two doghouses on the fantail of USS Little Rock that protect the hatch and the prevent weather incursions. Hope this helps!!
If that was to have been added after it was a museum ship then it was most certainly not there when the Sullivans was in mothballs in the 70’s. I remember being mored just aft of the Sullivans in the back basin of the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in 75 or 76. We tried our best to perpetuate the ghosts stories about The Sullivans.
That's why it's so great to have photographic evidence! Thanks Shane!
Agreed, Jeff! So important to have this evidence!
Shane, it's great to see the follow-up video and confirmation it was added after the Sullivans came to Buffalo. Thanks!
You're welcome Robert! Happy to do it, and thanks for your continued contributions!
I remember visiting the ship as a teenager in the late 90s and wondering why there would be a non-watertight door leading outside on the main deck, when there was a hatch and door inside and close by. It never made sense to me and I remembering wondering why the Navy would do such a thing. Question answered (in part)! An answer 20-something years in the making!
Thanks for the follow-up Shane! I really enjoy and love how you guys interact with the viewers and members and go out of your way to show we are really being listened to.
I guess the question is now: Who the heck put it there and why?
Bryce, thank you for your comment and your compliment of our interactions! It's appreciated. Yeah, it was a weather protector no doubt...when the hatch was open (which would have been whenever visitors were on board, the weather would go down into the aft fire room, where that hatch leads. Think of it as a large steel umbrella for the deck opening. I'd like to remove it, and bring some more authenticity back! Appreciate it as always!
Very cool! Keeps the rain out so you don't have to latch the watertight door
Very true! that hatch leads to the aft fire room, which before the sinking was on the tour route, so it would have been open all day for visitors no matter the weather. There is the original shield, but it was expanded out. Thanks again as always, Gary!
Thought so. I’ve seen that kind of addition done to other museum ships to try and keep foul weather out of a moored vessel. Does that quarter face a direction that a lot of wind, rain and snow comes from in Buffalo?
Great thought, kenneth! You are correct - that is the weather side...especially when the ships were bow to stern. It got the full brunt of the weather. Now, there is some protection with Little Rock nested outboard of it. No doubt it was for weather protection!
Video idea....
Do a "prep for drydocking" series. Quick segments on all the moving pieces (pun intended) before USS The Sullivans and USS Croaker move out of the Buffalo River.
Great idea, Cece. Steven and I have talked about this...doing like a "behind the scenes" - kinda like what football and hockey teams put out during draft time...the conversations, meetings, et cetera! Thank you!!
Looking good Shane ship is looking better every time.
Thanks so much as always, Jaysqualityparts! Appreciate your continued support!
Excellent (and fast) detective work! This brings up a general question: how do you "mark" post service additions so that when our grandchildren are taking a tour, they can understand that the "doghouse" came into existance after the ship had been converted to a museum?
Great question, rclooking99! We haven't been great on indexing museum ship additions, but I will be working to correct that over the next couple of years! Appreciate it as always!
One look at the hinges and the hole for the doorknob tells me that it was unlikely to be there when the ship was in service. That doesn't look like the way that the Navy does things on deck.
Agreed...first glance says "No way"...but, it's always better to have evidence to back it up...for example, it could have been built yard workers when Sully had her last dry dock in March, 1965. Thankfully the evidence shows no!
If that was to have been added after it was a museum ship then it was most certainly not there when the Sullivans was in mothballs in the 70’s. I remember being mored just aft of the Sullivans in the back basin of the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in 75 or 76. We tried our best to perpetuate the ghosts stories about The Sullivans.
You're correct stevenedington6265! It was added post-1986! Thanks for watching!
Why would the 'dog house' have been added? Speculate please.
For weather to protect the hatch when it was open, which it was all the time because of our tour route prior to our sinking. That deck hatch was always open when visitors were on board and it probably took the brunt of the weather, and weather - whatever it was would go down the hatch into the aft fire room.
Any clue why the museum would have built the doghouse over the original WTD?
The deck hatch right there was open because before the sinking that part of the ship (aft fire room) was on the tour route, so the deck hatch was open every time visitors were on board - from March to November. So, they probably found that it was allowing weather to go into the hatch and down into that space. So, it was for weather protection. Now that those areas are not on the tour route, i would like to revisit this, and remove it! Thanks for watching!
Just a question- if you find something like this which was added after the ship was in service, do you mark it as such so visitors and museum staff know?
Thanks for watching, but we haven't been very good at that index. I'm hopeful with our RUclips documentation this is the beginning of me creating that index...and maybe over the winter I will be doing this in earnest! Thanks for your support!
How doing a video on the pt boat ????
Here you go!
ruclips.net/video/feGqaKrpPW0/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/7BAAbgzDfH8/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/5mlZ0fGrxNE/видео.html
How does that structure fall into your interpretation year - 1962, correct? Why was it presumably needed? What is it's purpose today? If it is not needed you should consider having it removed, it's ugly.
jbellos1, thanks as always for your support! It doesn't fall into our interpretive year is the best and easiest way of describing it. There is an original shield outboard of the doghouse, so I am looking to have the rest of it removed, possibly during dry dock!
@@BuffaloNavalParkthanks! It's removal is warranted for many reasons and as a small side project during her dock period makes sense.
Why is it called "the dog house?"
Your handle picture says it all, TimNesSmith! : )
Anyway...a doghouse is slang for an addition to give added headroom near a hatch. We also have two doghouses on the fantail of USS Little Rock that protect the hatch and the prevent weather incursions. Hope this helps!!
@@BuffaloNavalPark Probably more acceptable than calling it a cat house.
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Time to remove it and make it back original
Agreed! Thanks MrJeep75! This can be a project during dry dock!
If that was to have been added after it was a museum ship then it was most certainly not there when the Sullivans was in mothballs in the 70’s. I remember being mored just aft of the Sullivans in the back basin of the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in 75 or 76. We tried our best to perpetuate the ghosts stories about The Sullivans.
Agreed and thanks for continuing the story of "Spooky Sully"!