Podcast 338 - Talking Arrows & Accuracy with Iron Will- Bill Vanderheyden
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2023
- This podcast is with Bill from Ironwill Outfitters. We dove deeper into the arrow topics and where his latest testing has led. I enjoyed an open minded talk about the fixed blade/mechanical broadhead debate. I also questioned the depth of the testing he has done so far and give a little insight on the topic too playing the devils advocate. We also question some important topics the archery needs to know. This is such a great talk regardless of whether you are a mechanical or fixed blade broadhead supporter OR if you want o hear more on the debate of FOC focus vs Accuracy Focus.
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I wish his conversation with Troy was more like this podcast, where there was mutual respect and two people just sharing experience and data and opinions.
JD, I am 41 years old and have been shooting trad and compound since I was 8 years old. Let me say I have nothing but the upmost respect for you. You are one of the great ambassador's for our sport and your opinions and insights are highly valuable. That said, let me say if you do not want a divide in the world of bowhunting, then do not suggest that shooting a heavy high FOC arrow is wrong or stupid. Someone who has tuned their setup and has put in the practice can be very, very accurate at practical hunting ranges. I imagine most of the archers you are encountering at TAC are not regular competition target shooters and are now trying to shoot a 600+ grain arrow at ranges they have never practiced or tuned for. I would never take my whitetail arrows or bow to a TAC because it is only tuned for 80 yards and in with my broadhead. Instead, I would take my competition 3D arrows and competition bow because it is setup and tuned for that particular game which has a lot of shots at extended and impractical hunting yardages. Very few people on this Earth will ever take a 100 yard shot on an animal, let only anything past 60. Where you are spot on is wanting people to be accurate. So, if people really want to shoot a heavy high FOC arrow for bone shattering penetration, then help them tune their setup for that and discuss the ranges that are practical for that weight and tell them to practice, practice, and practice some more in order to get the accuracy they and yourself want to see.
Agree 100% . We are all on the same team, right 🤷♂️ You don't need a 30-06 to kill a whitetail, but plenty of people use them. Plan "A" is great....but you better be ready for plan "B"
Very well said!
Perfect response🔥
I think John forgets how good of an archer he is and how much advantage he has with his really long draw
@@bigz5262ya I think guys like gillingham and Dudley forget there’s s difference between between target and hunting.
There’s no doubt whatsoever when I made the switch to good quality fix blade heads they deer definitely don’t run as far and my recovery rate skyrocketed compared to mechanical! I also will add that I have a tendency to hit forward and I believe two holes are better than one and lets the air out of them so to speak!
If you get step on a nail the doctors say leave the nail in until you get to the hospital to keep you from bleeding so much. The arrow in the wound will plug the wound
@@bigz5262 That's not true. an inch + hole is not going to be plugged by a 1/4" diameter shaft. There are a tremendous number of variables to having an appropriate amount of blood come out of the body cavity for you to be able to follow it. Also, don't leave a nail in your foot.
@@joerarey8496 you should take a basic first aid class because you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve literally had a nail in my foot when I was a kid and the doctor said I should have left it so I didn’t bleed as much. I’ve also been shot with a nail gun by a coworker in my hand and didn’t bleed at all until I pulled the nail out
You aren’t getting a 1” hole with an arrow. You’re getting a hole roughly the size of the ferrule and a slit for the blades
@@bigz5262 ^casual
@@joerarey8496 this is such a bot comment. You know you’re wrong and you have nothing to offer so you post some popular internet insult. Maybe save your comments until you have a thought of your own
I hunt in Georgia, and I can promise you, no one down here gets a "follow up shot". Deer that are shot poorly around here are long gone in a blink of an eye. And even if you that deer did stop 60 yards away, there's a 99% chance you wouldn't even see it, much less get another clean shot on it. Whenever I go out west I will build arrows more like Dudley's, but while hunting here, I will stick to my 660 grain with single bevel fixed blades!
Same here in Mississippi and there is 100% chance you will never spot and stalk deer either.
Everyone thinks their deer are the spookiest. Well my tiny N Ga deer are SPOOKY.
Excellent discussion!
Got to love it when pure theory meets the practical common sense, and are done by a smart ,highly educated, and accomplished bow hunter, with the goal to improve performance.
Love to hear you guys admit that you ARE STILL STUDENTS and that you could easily learn from eachother, even though you have both had such unique/extensive trials within this industry!!
55:10 absolutely people miss this. He was trying to shoot through cap buffalo with a hill style long bow. He needed heavy arrows and to get the archer paradox he needed heavy weight points.
Another great video. I have learned so much from John and his videos and have great faith in all of my Iron Will components. Thanks you both for sharing your knowledge and wisdom.
The best noise testing facility is in NASA in Sandusky Oh in their Reverberant Acoustic Test Facility. Walls are 10’ solid concrete, 30T crane and floor rates to 120K pounds. Use the university connections a rent it for a day. They use it to simulate noise and vibration during a launch as well noise in space. Fun fact they filmed the first Marvel Avengers there inside the facility.
Great podcast glad you guys got together for the chat.
Let's gooooo. I love Ironwills broadheads and components. Their components and Nockons components for arrows is what got me into building my own arrows start to finish. I dig this podcast episode for sure.
Great information,and Pod Cast interesting stuff here !!! Love these pod cast and Dudley wanting to see people to be accurate,knowing alot of people keep the archery tuning a secret thanks Guys for the great information!!!!
Great podcast guys! Love this series John! I'm shooting Easton Axis 4mm Match with the Snyder Core system from Iron Will Bill. Love this set up.
I am in the two holes or it's a fail camp, especially from a tree stand. When you hunt high and they are close, one big high hole is often bloodless. As for cheating liver, I could never bring myself to do It on purpose. The only animals I have ever lost were hit back, not forward. I cheat shoulder always and watch almost everything I shoot drop within sight. Having well over 100 deer under my belt and as many hogs, I feel I have some credibility to say these things as I lived them. There is more than one way to skin a cat in archery. It is more fun to talk the pros and cons of the methods than bashing them. None of this should be offensive. If a guy can stack extreme FOC 650 grain arrows at 40 and will likely never get a shot past 30, why does he have to care what his arrow does at 90? This is what doesn't make sense to me. Why is he so wrong? As a hunter I only care about what my arrows do at my personal limit distance. If am in a tennis ball at 50 and basket ball at 80 because of my arrow build, I don't care. The 50 matters more.
Well said! They anti heavy guys assume that we're shooting 50+. Everyone's deerwoods are different. 30 yards is my farthest shot from any of my stands. I'll keep my 650 gr arrows.🤙
250-450 is target
500-600 is hunting
600-2000 is war or now just better hunting lol.
I don't go extremely light or extremely heavy. I shoot 490gr and will likely back off of that a little next year. I want a decent weight to get a pass through but also decent trajectory so I don't need to worry as much about perfect shooting lanes. My bow is also a 315IBO so it's already slow.
IW BIll - I love your SB125’s with bleeders. I’ve harvested Elk and Hogs with them. After watching this podcast, I just ordered your Hybrid Hunter Vanes. Fear I’m becoming a fanboy!
Wanting to use the best equipment available doesn't make you a fan boy it make should smart. Ignorant people and children use the term fan boy, usually these are the people that only use what their favorite archer uses. Some people will o ly use expandables because John D does well he has a 31" draw or something crazy like that lol. I appreciate everything the man has done in the sport and for hunting but for me it's fixed only because of my 26.5" draw I don't have the same kinetic energy. Nothing wrong with using the stuff that works for you and it's great quality products,
27” draw between 65 & 70 pounds and am using nothing but Iron Will’s. The single bevels not only fly incredibly well, but the penetration and rotation in my hard targets is something I don’t get with anything else.
John Dudley and Nock On has completely changed my life. Thanks for these videos Duds.
If you’re looking for an eastern moose hunt in Quebec. Don’t be shy to reach out!
Dorge Hunag talks about this on his podcast with the fletchings. Long story short with a fixed blade, if the d width of your broadhead is wider than the vanes, then the arrow is “1 slave with 2 masters” so if your vanes are wider. They out drag the broadhead and are more dominant in stabilizing the arrow.
It’s my experience that isn’t always the case. The total surface area of the front is a major factor in addition to height. Blade and Ferrell alignment are very critical and even if the vanes are the master of the combo they still won’t function well enough to compensate. It’s a good rule of thumb but not a rule
Awesome content and views!
Nice interview holding some feet to the fire are we lol.
Archery is getting something to a target, bow hunting is getting something through it.
FACTS!!!
Love the video. ❤
Great conversation with great content!
Is there a calculation to use that calculates the animal that you're hunting, your draw length and draw weight to provide you with the range for optimal arrow weight? (Discussed a bit at the 1:19 mark)
This would be fantastic for those bowhunters with shorter draw lengths and/or draw weights. As trying to achieve the magic speeds of 270-290 fps with a hunting arrow with a draw length 27" and shorter. (Without having to shoot 70+lbs as it is rough on my shoulders)
This felt like sitting in a class in high school. Wills tone put me to sleeep
I think if you want an arrow that flys the most parallel to the ground. I highly suggest you try adding firenock Aeroconcept to your arrows if not just shoot Aeroweave arrows with Aeroconcept system.
Adding the Aeroconcept system to your arrows you will be able to shoot at those higher speeds l. Yes it will limit your broadhead some but firenock also makes a very good broadhead. I know I sound like an advertisement for firenock. But they really make an amazing system.
Wondering what would give more penetration down the line of adding overall arrow weight: crossbow or compound bow?
IOW which loses more speed the more weight you add to the arrow?
Thanks Guys for adding some common sense to the "gotta have a 700 grain arrow and 25% FOC and then shoot them anywhere" movement. great to back it up with science and relating it to todays compound bows. Not a ton of folks talking about the amount of speed loss and effect it will have on not knowing the exact distance. Truly appreciate the work you guys put in. great content.
""gotta have a 700 grain arrow and 25% FOC and then shoot them anywhere" movement."???
almost NOBODY is saying that. That is as ridiculous as the guys saying they "just want fast and light."
I really don't understand why the 'sound' of a broadhead or vanes make much of a difference. By the time that I heard an arrow whizzing toward me at 220MPH, I would then see it buried in the ground behind me, after it went thru my chest cavity.
Their reaction and hearing is over double ours. They definitely can react to both the bow and the arrow
@@nockonarchery Yes, of course the sound of the bow, and yes, I know that 'we' can hear an arrow whizzing by(pretty neat, actually, if you are sitting in a safe spot, about 1/2 way, while ppl are shooting!), but TOWARD me at 200-240 MPH(take away the 'shot sound')? Death by Bunjie had a scientist on. He determined that it takes(depending on the distance, of course) 1/10 of a sec for a deer to hear bow shot; another 1/10 to tell brain; then gravity to lower the body for the initial jump... Anyway, he said that your max shooting distance should be your FPS/10, so if you are at 330, the deer should only drop 4" at 33', due to the speed of the arrow+ the times mentioned above. Hey, GOOD LUCK this season! 9/16 here in PA(5C) for archery.
In addition to other comments below, some game (elk) can offer a second shot if the first is a clean miss. I can say from experience that my beloved 4 inch feather fletching is VERY noisy compared to 4 blazers.... On more than one occasion, I have seen multiple shot opportunities on an elk (or small group of elk). Thus, arrow silence can be important in some types of hunting.
John, I found the fletching discussion near the end to be very interesting. Is there any way to see the details of the fletching tests each of you have done? You did discuss some comparisons between two of the vanes each of you sell, but as a consumer trying to make informed decisions, I'd love to see more of the details of which shapes, dimensions, and stiffnesses actually work the best for accuracy with fixed broadheads and noise reduction. Also, does the speed and or weight of the arrow effect how much fletching assistance is needed? I shoot a 62-64 lb pull and only a 27" draw length.
Also, I would like to know your thoughts on vented vs solid fixed blade broadheads as far as weighing the pros and cons. Which is more significant, the amount of wind drift reduction by using vented, or the amount of noise reduction using solid blades?
And have you ever tested the different shapes of fixed broadheads? I am interested in knowing how the flight differs with a longer, more narrow head vs a shorter, but wider head. What about straight blade vs curved blades? Do bleeder blades effect flight to a significant degree?
Keep in mind too that I shoot a 62-64 lb pull and only a 27" draw length.
So curious what the questionable vanes they were talking about out.
Hi, A few years back there was a Nock-On competition series that I found as an awesome show. It suddenly just stopped. Is that coming back? I loved that show.
I have Ironwills as well as GrizzlyStiks. What's your opinion on the GrizzlyStik heads? Both are single bevel 200gr.
Both are great heads. Both are extremely sharp out of the box, but both are prone to severe edge chatter though. The GS even more so due to their choice of steel for very specific reason. In fact I would even go so far as to say the GS tend to be a one and done broad head. You can resharpen them but will have to remove a lot of material that the weight will be way off when your done. Ironwill however will replace a severely chattered head free of charge. GS will not. I really wish GS would up the quality of their steel because I absolutely love the design of their Maasai. Cutthroat and Tuffhead though have been my go to heads of choice for many years.
Tough to watch the college professor take it, because of antidotal evidence from the "expert". There are so many factors that kill an animal. Why beat up a guy who produces a quality broadhead, and is trying to move the hunting industry forward? Just so you can stroke your ego? No doubt animals can be killed with other broadheads, and he's done it. But the Iron Will quality makes up for when things don't go perfect. Oh ya, didn't Dudley say he shoots 470-500gr set ups? That is the sweet spot for Bill's broadhead. Bill took it all like a champ. I wonder what Dudley is going to start selling with this publicity campaign he is running. Stay tuned....
10:00 I'm sorry, what is the downside of a quality fived head like Bill's Snydercore S200? There is zero difference in lethality between a fixed blade and a mechanical if you're putting it in the 8ring. Is it tuning for good accurate flight?
Good podcast. Think you should have Troy, Ashby and Barnett on. I feel you have a issue with folks who want to shot heavier. Also, people keep mis- quoting Ashby and over emphasize the 650 threshold when it is last on the list and only matters when you hit a heavy bone. You guys need to talk to each other not at or about each other so we can all win.
Also, Dr. Ashby's comment on the 650 grain heavy bone threshold was in fact in reference to HIS definition of heavy bone. I've read his work (over a decade ago) and I've watched recent videos. In the recent video I watched he literally said that he defines "heavy bone" as a Water Buffalo (or equivalent) shoulder bone. From prior reading and research, I had thought his heavy bone definition was a water buffalo rib, but he clearly stated in a a recent video that he meant Buff Shoulder. Not Scapula - shoulder. Also, he obviously stated it isn't a magical number but it was consistent between 625 and 675. Also, his average range was about 17 yards, using a longbow....at low velocity....and success or failure could have rather material bodily risk. I do not believe he has done material testing on the mass necessary to breach "heavy bone" when using modern compounds....but it would be rationale to expect that the mass is going to be materially lower than 650 grains.
I suspect that for most of us, the heaviest "heavy bone" we worry about is an Elk Scapula. I'll also suggest that an Elk Scapula is not as heavy as Dr. Ashby's stated definition of "heavy bone". However, I have not yet heard Dr. Ashby address that specific question...i.e., what does he think the bone breaching threshold is for an elk scapula? what about an elk shoulder (upper arm)?
As long as I'm on a roll, lots of folks seemed to be confused about KE vs Momentum. IMO KE is an almost useless figure as it relates to determining the applicability of an arrow system on N.A. game. yet, folks always want to mistakenly focus on KE which of course sucks them down the velocity - lethality rabbit hole. Next up is "impulse force" which is what actually breaches bone...
I haven't listened to much of this video yet...so maybe some of this gets addressed in hour two of this LONG video. LOL.
John are you saying it is the high FOC that causes the bad arrow flight or that guys just loaded the point weight to get the high FOC and blew out the arrow spine? I’ve always shot the most mass the fastest I could with no thought of FOC? Today we have low GPI arrow shafts that increase the FOC using “normal” components.
Good question and good mentality on your own set up. They are doing both. There’s only so much point weight that can go up on a lot of these hunting arrows before they start to get less stable. Without being on the extreme side there’s a lot of folks that just don’t realize how heavy they need to make the spine to offset the point weight. For people shooting over 70lbs this adds up fast.
@@nockonarchery I’m currently shooting 517 grains on a 250 spine shaft w/240 grains up front 20% FOC, 622 grains on a 200 spine shaft w/315 grains up front 25% FOC and 710 grains on a 200 spine shaft w/415 grains up front 30% FOC. All three arrows I cut shaft length until I got a bare shaft bullet hole at 7 yards. The bow is at center shot, string aligned down the center of the arrow with a 90 degree nock. I’m shooting a Hoyt RX7 l Ultra at 82 lbs and 30” draw length. I’m now just working on shooting groups to evaluate their abilities out to 80 yards hence my initial question.
@@theroncorbett7991. I bet that 710 is a bad projectile!
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Yes you are correct my friend that arrow is badA$$. Unfortunately I drew no elk or mule deer tags so the ultimate test has yet to be done. This has been purely A knowledge acquisition project. The whole FOC arguments are in fact anecdotal to a large extent and I wanted to draw my own conclusions. My only concern is lethality and that means penetration. I do not believe there is such a thing as “over kill” with an arrow. As of today the 622gr arrow would be my choice for the best combination of trajectory and mass. At 270fps it is more than adequate for my 40 yards and in effective range. I’m using a 200 grain single bevel for a broad head and I can keep them inside a paper plate at 80 yards.
IMO, there are lots of overly simplified "RUclips style" reactions to FOC. Including the notion that high FOC is "bad" because the arrow spine is too weak. That argument (which I've seen presented by lots of talking heads with a large audience) is simply stupid. Obviously, one would want to make sure the arrows are properly spined. Period. I'm on a bit of a rant, but so many of these talking heads are trying too hard to spew noise to get clicks....(John at Nockon is NOT one of the stupid talking heads, he is a clear speaker with good info and very low on the BS quotient).
To me, there are several advantages to higher FOC that don't seem to be addressed often. but I can't quantify the relative benefit of each. As FOC increases, the pivot point of the arrow during flight moves forward allowing the drag of the vanes or fletching to have more leverage against the fixed head broad heads. In other words, the arrows should stabilize quicker and better if they are properly tuned but have more FOC, vs. same vanes and set up (properly tuned) but with lower FOC.
By improving stability, penetration is improved by reducing arrow flex upon impact. Because the arrow is tuned and flying straight on impact.
Also, I believe that upon impact, a high FOC arrow will flex less and the flex point will be further towards the point, resulting in better penetration.
Ashby's tests demonstrated better penetration with high FOC for the above reasons - maybe others as well. FWIW, Ashby is "wildly" misquoted and misunderstood because most folks don't have the time or interest to dig in and understand what he is ACTUALLY saying and why.
Throw away the idea that "high FOC is bad" "because the arrow won't tune". That is just a silly remark from so many people (and I'm not pointing a finger at our Fav, John Dudley).
I like heavy arrows with somewhat high FOC for elk hunting where I tend to build equipment to survive worst case outcomes. They fly great and are very accurate. I get good results with a 29.5 inch shaft, 300 spine Easton shaft loaded with about 235 grains total point weight (insert, adapter, and head) plus 4 blazer vanes. It's a reliable set up for me with a 29 inch draw, 65- 70lb draw weight on a Hoyt "cam and a half" system. Lots of charts say the 300 spine is on the soft side, but recently many of the charts (including Easton's ) actually support that amount of tip weight. What I can say is that from day one I've been surprised at the stability and accuracy I get with that arrow set up. Even using big old 200 grain Abowyer Brown Bear single bevel broad heads.
Hey I'm a mechanical engineer for ge. I been there since 2008. I'm not new to archery, but new to fixed heads an have a question. I have a v3x33 an my arrows twist to left . Am I ok to have bills broad heads that spin to right? Or should I just get new stings like I planned anyway?
If you are using the single bevel, you want your helical fletch to match the bevel because the arrow will naturally want to rotate through resistance. If it is double bevel normal convention is to fletch how the arrow clocks.
Most archers are not for enough to see a difference between right and left helical. JD food a post about it
Let’s take any arrow with a perfectly tuned bow, screw a fix blade broad head on it and see how it flys without tuning you arrows. You will find that they won’t fly. Spine, the lightest GPI arrow you can find for your proper spine and length of arrow all play a part. You can achieve enough FOC without getting too heavy if you stay with the lightest GPI arrow. For example I shoot a Easton Hexx 260 spine cut 29” with 75 grain inserts and a 125 fix blade and that was the sweet spot for my setup. And I’m around 17% FOC. They fly exactly like my field points. It’s not the same as shooting a mechanical head.
If Bill was disagreeable, he would have said "what reason do you have for choosing mechanical from a lethality perspective?" To me, from all of the research and I've done, there is no reason not to shoot durable fixed blades broadheads if you have a well tuned bow and are not under-spined. If you can shoot a group of fixed blades accurately, as Dudley does, then shoot fixed blades. There's no reason not to.
Please quantify the #out takes 14# to push through... segment. There is a LOT of people who don't understand the energy comment, and how energy is distributed through the point of an arrow.
Ashby’s bow was a 115 lb longbow that is equivalent to a 70-75 lb compound. Or so.
I completely understand not slamming a brand of arrow or component, however; you do all that work in testing and modeling that us average joes don't have the access to the tech to do it why not tell us what brand is absolute junk and to avoid?
Guys who track wounded deer with dogs will confirm that pass through have a better chance of being recovered than no pass through.
In this podcast Dudley says, " I want to help everybody find the middle ground. Here's where it is. You all tow the line. I'm gonna misconstrue half of what the Ashby study says, then i'm going to argue against what it doesn't say. Thanks for coming to listen to me talk over your empiricism With what works for me."
The minute he went on about how much kinetic energy is wifes bow has, I wanted to scream. The evidence is very clear that momentum is a better predictor of penetration.
And by the way Ashby shot a lot of animals with a compound bow. A compound bow from the nineteen eighties but a compound bone nonetheless.
If you're gonna be arguing against science, at least be clear on what the science says.
I was in a bow shop recently and KE came up in the context of the programmable data available on the new Garmin Chrono's. . I tried not to laugh. What I did say is, I don't care about KE. It is meaningless of my purposes. All I want is Momentum and the gosh darn Garmin won't provide that figure... I'm kind of surprised about how many archers babble about KE in the context of terminal performance on game.🤔
I'ts funny how even intelligent people like Bill misrepresent things from the Ashby study. Ashby never said arrow weights under 650grains do not breach bone, it's that the frequency of bone breach goes up dramatically at that weight. Bill shot his pig in the shoulder knuckle with a 500ish grain arrow, so, most likely, the 650 would have gone all the way through. Also, which part of the scapula are we talking here? The part that is thinner than a single layer of cardboard or what, I mean its a pretty uniquely shaped bone and even most mechanicals will blast through a shoulder blade no problem. People always conflate HEAVY BONE, with bone in general, like ribs and shoulder blades. Also, I've had plenty of times where I wished I had a heavy ass arrow that I could lob over the top of some branches because there was no straight shot to the animal. I shoot fairly moderate arrows, I have a 430grain and 530ish grain arrows, I cut my sight tapes skinny and stack them next to each other on my spothogg fast Eddie, double pin sight. both arrows shoot perfectly fine and i can grab whichever one best suits that moment. I keep 4 of the lighter ones in my quiver and 2 of the heavier ones.
Based on my reading of Ashby's work over a decade ago, I thought his definition of "heavy bone" was a water buffalo rib - which is quite stout in and of itself. However, in a recent Ranch Fairy videot he good doctor clearly said that his definition of "heavy bone" was a Water Buffalo shoulder or equivalent (not Scapula). When that comment happened I was hoping that the Fairy would dig in a little deeper on the topic and ask about applicability to elk bones....but he was just there for sound bites and clicks, so he did not explore the concept further. The sound quality wasn't the best at that point of the video also.
You gonna talk Bill into designing a heavy duty mechanical!!??
He should. I’m working on one as well
Hey Bill, can you're company make a budget friendly broadhead!!!? Love you're style broadheads but dam they are expensive!! Thanks for the Great information Guy's!!!! 1:22:54
The fact that they can be frequently resharpened made the price worth it to me. Also, the replacement blades cost about the same as a pack of mainstream broadheads and you get many resharpenings out of each. If you look at how many broadheads you buy each year because they get torn up in animals or just due to missing game/targets, the long-term price seems better to me.
@@unsupportedultra I see you're point for sure ,but dam they are high!! Nice looking broadheads!! Fyi allot of resharpening broadheads on the market for half you're price!! Thanks for the reply!!! Good luck on your hunt brother 👍
Grizzlystick makes a budget model of all it's broadheads. They just use slightly cheaper steel
@@natejohnson6112 tooth of arrow a bad ass looking broadheads also ,I truly don't know anything about them but man they look mean!!!
Funny how I watch Video after Video with arrows going inches Laughable penitration because they are shooting California Compliant straws at them! Dud says for some reason we are now worried about Penitration WTF??
Dudley has to say this shit. He’s sponsored by a bow company that promotes speed, he’s sponsored by mechanical broadhead company. These debates are ridiculous
LOL. I like John and appreciate his video's, but in this particular one he is talking way too much and the Chemistry between he and Bill is, well, non-existent.
You have been on a hell of a roll man
It is so funny to me that Troy is renting SO MUCH SPACE in Dudley's head for so cheap. It's kind of sad, honestly. I used to really look up to and admire any face in the industry because they always make changes and innovations in a community I am so heavily involved in. I don't see why people care about what someone wants to shoot. I've got 2 individual setups. My VXR 31.5 throws a 588.2gr arrow with 23.2% FOC. I shoot 75lbs at 27.5" draw. Sure, i can only get 80 yards before i have vane contact with my sight. When i want to shoot yardage beyond for a 3d event i shoot my darton with a 478gr arrow, or change my sight on my VXR. I have killed large game animals with both bows. My wife has a 25.5 inch draw, and pulls 48lbs. I built her arrows for elk. They are 430 gr with a fixed blade. If she can kill elk, i don't know why Dudley cares so much.
I've been hunting with a bow for a long time. I live in Washington state, so ALL OF MY HUNTS are out west. If you have to take 50+ yard shots on game, you are an archer. Not a hunter. That's just my opinion. My opinion doesn't change your mind or your life. Why does this guy care so much? After the episode with Troy, he really made himself look really small. I think he hurt his own image. Any time he says "I'm going to play devil's advocate" it actually translates to... "I'm going to force my opinion down your throat."
I'm not denying his experience. But not everyone is a pro level archer. Build and shoot what gives you the confidence to put meat on the table and share the experience with friends and family. Nothing else matters.
I wish everyone reading this comment true arrow flight and a successful 2024 hunting season.
Dudley has changed his attitude since being a prick to Troy. He got nocked down alittle with all the comments by his bad attitude.
Good podcast, especially when dudley is referencing OldSchool.
what in the not sitka is going on here? 🤔 #nockon
it's a BRCC shirt
What does Dudley think about the ranch fairy? Lol 😅
He’ll be posting a podcast with him soon 🤘
@@RKeaton lol I’ll watch that just to see them argue. I see them disagreeing on nearly everything
@@GarrettOutdoorsno they don’t. RF is very specific, he hunts pigs at a fix distance. Dudley is dead in the middle of Ashby recommendations for thin skinned medium sized animals.
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I'll still say this shot a heavy arrow, shoot a light arrow, fixed or expandable but know your setups limitations. Short draw, low poundage shoot a heavier setup with a fixed blade, if your blessed with longer draw length and high poundage shot your expandable but also make sure your bows still tuned, shooting an expandable is not a good excuse of not having your bow tuned and getting perfect arrow flight as your going to lose KE from that and your setting yourself up for failure.
If your shooting heavy and trying to go long range make sure you can clear that branches and bring the animal a snack so it has something to eat while it's waiting for your arrow lol jk btw. Just have the right arrow setup that's lethal and an acceptable trajectory for you, and if your doing some of these TAC events or tac like events you may want a different arrow setup.
So all I really ask and recommend make sure your setup is lethal and accurate.
With that said perfect arrow flight and structural integrity are a must these will always be rule 1 and 2 nothing else matters if these 2 aren't present in your arrow setup. That's the 1 thing I will say Troy aka ranch fairy I will always agree with 100% of the time. I'm not a heavy arrow guy myself but Troy does have some other good info on his channel ill give the man that for sure.
I love how JD brings his expert target archery expertise into the world of hunting and combines them perfectly.