My answer is yes. All the different threads come together perfectly: 1) The Faustian West is creatively and spiritually exhausted. All it has left is technology, which Elon represents. He's involved in transhumanism through Neuralink and Mars colonization through SpaceX. 2) Spengler's Winter phase corresponds to Guenon and Evola's Kali Yuga or Iron Age. Guenon predicted that there will be a "Great Parody" in the end times. A counter-tradition or inverted spirituality. Transhumanism fits this role, but we should also note that JD Vance has cited Curtis Yarvin as an influence on him. Yarvin is a blogger that has made secular arguments in favor of monarchy. 3) Right now there is a conflict going on in the Middle East. Trump was chosen by a certain group of people to solve this conflict. Once there is peace in the Middle East, the Third Temple will be rebuilt. Look up the IMEC Corridor (India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor). Israel will benefit immensely. 4) Are you starting to see the pieces coming together? The world is embracing right-wing populism and faith in democracy is at an all time low. People have become more willing to give unrestricted power to politicians in hopes that they will solve the issues of the age.
He was 1 inch away from being Tiberius Gracchus. That's why history doesn't necessarily repeat, it merely rhymes, because serendipity and plain luck happens.
This, he was more of a Gracchi brother. We're still in "rich get richer while forgetting us" stage and not quite at the mob riots and civil wars deciding elections
Always a fan favorite democrat, genghis, liu bei, erik the red, grant or jackson, wouldn't have spared brutus and refused bodyguards; or for such a renowned general cry after pompey's got killed with all of his soldiers that he killed, being a wierd one though, lol? Or cromwell as one of the most successful generals besides his body getting dug up, with a strong work ethic and new model army, or oda nobunaga, or pharoah khufu or khafre the builders that paid in beer unlike cromwell fighting the king?
The evidence shows that Trump was a pretty great leader when weighted towards domestic economics. Real wages rose 8.2% over 4 years and inflation was negligible. Biden's presidency saw a 1% increase in real wages over 4 years with crippling inflation and massive corporate monopolistic interference in the housing market and subsequent housing prices.
@@aleveryonesdaddyhorford8109yeah but it doesn’t change the fact that he is a moderate. I agree with you Trump was great, but he’s a typical centrist with right leaning views. 80s democrat
Correct. His policy positions are basically those of a 90s Democrat. These people claiming he's an "extremist" have lost all ability to think for themselves. He is, however, the best president of the 21st century, and it's not even close. If he delivers his promises to reform and remove a lot of the federal government, he's a Mt. Rushmore level leader.
Also literary! The Gallic and Civil Wars are a model of elegant Latin, and he also wrote political speeches, as well as poetry (Laus Herculis) and a work on the rules of grammar. Imagine that from Trump!
@@StiloVerso-kn7wn Also fashionable as a young man, handsome and much copied (especially his trend of loose cuffs and standing collars). Musicians sought him out.
Two interesting notes on this matter,1. Julius Cesar had good reason to bring his soldiers with him, as the last time someone found themselves in the same position they ended up dead, 2. Julius Cesar didn't actually disband the Senate, a successor used the assassination of him to justify doing so
Not a Caesar, and not a dictator. Caesar conquered his rivals and ended the era of Rome as a Republic to begin the Roman Empire with himself as a dictatorial Emperor. If we ever should end up with a dictator (and my hope is we never do), the best case scenario would not be a Caesar, but a Cincinnatus. Legend has it the retired Cincinnatus was called upon to be dictator not once, but in two occasions in the face of emergencies. In both instances, Cincinnatus rapidly quelled each crisis, then dutifully and promptly turned power back over, returning to his farm and retirement. He could easily have decided to heed the temptations of absolute authority and kept the power of dictatorship, but instead chose to return to the Romans their Republic.
To be fair, we do need to find a new form of government and even system building. A revaluation of all values, like Nietzche said. One ought not to be weak like Nietzche and actually set a new system. Why denied nature of its will to power through us, right? Of course a system for the species, not country men.
Pretty much. Actually, I'd argue that the first portent of things to come (in the vein of Trump) was Ronald Reagan. He was a certified actor who became president...filthy rich, appealing to the masses, but not really in charge of anything. Trump is another actor who became president...and his presidency and popularity are all about his wealth and showmanship. He's a much worse version of Reagan. Where Reagan acted modest and appeared to have a vision beyond himself, Trump is merely an empty suit egoist, blatantly and solely dedicated to his own celebrity.
this is ridiculous, Graccus made economic policies to benefit the working class like land reforms... Trump is litearlly doing the opposite, enriching the elites and applying tariffs that the middle and lower classes will have to pay.
I agree. He's quite a terrifying omen of things to come. If someone manage to become an inheritor of Trump and also actually have intellectual capacities, they might turn "the land of the free" into a totalitarian hellscape.
If he does. He only has four short years in office. Not even his strongest supporters think he can do it all in that time. Re-establishing the American republic is a generational project.
Biden and harris messed up so bad he might need longer than 4 years. But what we have seen in one week of him getting elecred is definitely a good sign, and if we take house, he'll be able to fix it a lot faster.
I don’t know, but every future president of USA will try to be new Trump . Ideology is not problem, even socialist trump or Christian fundamentalist trump will be possible in USA.
no, he is not the equivalent of caesar. but he is an extraordinary man, meaning he can bend and shape reality around him. i think each is in a cathegory of his own
@@AllMagasGoToGitmo no. he is differently extraordinary, like napoleon is from hitler, from caesar or from alexander note that the extraordinary is not in itself good. it can, in fact, be very bad.
@@celmaidinpadurebaiat he’s extraordinarily mobbed up, yes - he will defang the federal government and sell America off for parts, create his own oligarchs and rule in the model of his teacher, Czar Putin, for whom he was “the apprentice” “Just leave the liquuuuuid gold to meeee”
The haters will make up all kinds of theories and conspiracies,rather to admit that President Donald Trump is an American for Americans. A True Patriot who fights for his people.
@@Thought_Processing_ Sulla was an Optimate to turned dictator to undo populist reforms and eliminate his perceived threats to the Republic, then made reforms to turn the state apparatus stronger and prevent other great men from doing the same (unsuccessfully). Sulla would be the equivalent of some Deep State figure sizing power by authoritarian means to uphold the already existing regime, who would persecute populists like Trump and dissenters. Sulla is literally the "restricting democracy to save our democracy" meme.
@Thought_Processing_ The best response to this ironically comes from leftist Cenk Uygur. "The Democrats don't really think Trump will be a dictator because when we tried to get someone, anyone to run against Trump, they all declined. 2028, they said. Meanwhile, if they actually believed their rhetoric their wouldn't BE an election in 2028." You've fallen prey to oligarch propaganda released by a media that's been co-opted by the intelligence services. Be a little more discerning in the future, and maybe you, too, can become immune to fake news.
@@Thought_Processing_ agreed. Closer to sulla than caesar. The republicans are optimates. People forgot how fanatical optimates are just because caesar is a populist dictator.
I think Trump is more akin to the Gracchi brothers. Wealthy plebeians who rose through the ranks and wanted to break down the Patrician oligarchy in Rome by appealing to populism
Sulla is more analogous imho. The one who shows where the cracks are and forces drastic measures. Caesar is someone watching this unfold right now and getting creative ideas about what they could do from that position of power.
My anime plot prediction is that Vance assA$$inates him on Jan 6 2029 instead of certifying whoever. He becomes president and pardons his own crime. Then Peter Thiel does his evil laugh and we cut to black.
Sulla gave himself absolute legislative powers by military force. Not even remotely similar in their governance styles. Until Trump starts holding Congressional meetings with a cadre of stormtroopers in the room pointing rifles at the legislators, the comparison falls a bit flat to say the least. As I said in another post they are similar in that Sulla was a political outsider and immigration/citizenship status was a hot button issue of his day, but that's about it.
Dear Johannes, thank you for your contribution! I'd like to share my thoughts. Inspired by readings like Varoufakis's Technofeudalism, I delved into some numbers. It's clear that real estate is a far more critical asset than big tech. According to a recent McKinsey study, 66% of global net worth is tied to real estate-a sector heavily influenced by demographics. As you know, the West faces very low birth rates. This, combined with welfare systems (especially in Germany), is a key driver for migration, as it sustains demand for real estate. Imagine the decline if there were no migration. Emanuel Todd suggests in Lineages of Modernity that Germany might have a vested interest in prolonging the Ukraine conflict to benefit from Ukrainian migration. In the current decline, asset owners are motivated to preserve their wealth despite demographic and economic challenges. The goal appears to be to maintain stability, often at the expense of the lower classes. I believe the political influence of the real estate asset class is still underestimated (in the media or critical "bubble"). Just my two cents.
@@adalbertthomalla4887 If I may add some cents...It is one of the biggest schemes&scame, combined with construction industry especially in Europe. Where I'm from ..we have the biggest amonut of sattelite mals per citizen with a lot of potential farmland covered in concrete, combined with cheap workfoce from south of Balkan peninsula, they are the core of construction buisines...
People in the comments saying he is like Gracchi brothers (hell no!).... the Kennedy Brothers were like the Gracchi, and like them, both were really assassinated by factions of their own government.... also, the Ur-Symbol of the West is infinite space, not static bound form like Apollonian man who thus saw the powerful and divine as in human-form, so our "Ceasar" may or will not even come in human form -- but as something techno-modified.
Both can be. Trump is if the gracchi brothers didn't have things ended so soon. As well as Julian the apostate. To say otherwise means you have TDS like the person who made this video.
Writing 100 years ago, Spengler thought it was already winter, and expected the end of the Faustian civilisation (ours) about now. He was right. Clearly it's dead now.
How do you explain all the technological discoveries and advancements that Western Civilization made in the 20th Century? You could argue that we had a decline of the spirit and morality of the West, especially in the later 20th Century, but I am not sure that we could call it Winter until, perhaps, now.
Did you read Spengler? He specifically said that Winter, the dying, is what causes the Caesar to arise. He predicted it would begin around the year 2000, and it did, in a way, with the vast expansion of the federal government under Bush (specifically the national security state) and that this period would last 200 years. The platforming of Unitary Executive Theory prefigures the coming Caesar... if there is one.
@@jl696 There may be technological advancements still but the high culture of the West has been essentially dead for at least 60 years now. One can see this more in certain art forms than others, but in some areas the decline is quite astonishing. Poetry as a high art is in incredible abeyance. When future civilizations look back at the West I believe they will identify the high culture that began in the Renaissance as having ended with or shortly after WWII. Even on the point of technology, it doesn't seem to me there are any longer great advances. The internet can be used for other purposes but it is for most primarily an entertainment device. In other words, simply a development of television. Peter Thiel and others have argued that technology has in fact very much stagnated in the last 50 or so years.
The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe...for the axe convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.
I really like this quote, but I think you have applied it completely opposite. The wooden handle convincing the trees is identity politics of the democrats, and the axe head is regressive viewpoints, ineffective policies, and a destructive nature that at its core wants to chop down the system rather than maintain or build anything up, because that is the more difficult part of the process that they are too shortsighted to see. Liberals are like a righting crowd with axes, they know that they are angry, and they want to chop things down, but they don’t know who, what, or why. They will end up with a clear cut forest, and wonder why they have no food. That’s putting it in the context of your quote. A vast majority of the Trump supporters have swung his way as a rejection of liberal hysteria.
Possibly he’s the Cornelius Sulla, the one who precedes the Cæsar? Could a Cæsar have existed without the actions of Sulla and Marius, nevermind the brorhers Gracchi?
Yes! He just announced 1 year of parties, shows and games to celebrate USA 250 year anniversary! This is a way to unite the country and distract them for the real shit happening!
No.He is an important character in the ending American empire. Like those kings or emperors who appear just before empires go down.The calm before the storm.
@candide1065 I am not an American nor do I care about your political parties. I am neutral about Trump.The fact is your empire is going down regardless of Trump.
Wouldn't Franklin (I got 4 terms) Roosevelt be the closest thing we have to a Cesar. Trump is gonna do his 4 years and hit the road and the Republicans are gonna have a rough time after he is gone.
Not likely, this is the decade of action. It started in 2020 and will only expand up to 2030. That's literally the plan and trump will play his part in this transformation.
@@nicolasolton I have that same theory. I expected Trump to win, but not this big. Why didn't _they_ steal the election this time? Trump has two options: Comply or get replaced. He might get replaced anyways. We would see levels of patriotism not seen since 9/11. Patriot Act 2.0 or Enabling Act. Vance, who is uncharismatic, would have a mandate to go after those responsible.
@@nicolasolton If sleepy Joe and can do it Trump can do it. Well see how the midterms go, Im sure the dems will bring more fake impeachments if they get the chance.
@@JohannesNiederhauser It's kind of strange that Silicon Valley tech executive would be interested in philosophies and worldviews that are critical of technology. Trust me, technology + monarchy is not going to be as based as you think it is. In the 40s and 50s the West had economic prosperity. If you got rid of all the economic and demographic problems, it would only take us back to the 40s and 50s.
I see estimates in the comments that he is the Gracchi, or Marius, or Sulla, but not Caesar. The analysis I have preferred is from the book Spengler's Future, from the 1980s, which compares leaders and events in different civilizations and offers a way to guess where we are in the cycle, and therefore what to expect. By this analysis, Ross Perot was in the position of the Gracchi, offering to restore the Republic to an earlier mode of working, but falling short of the power and broadness of appeal required. Trump is then Marius, straining the system and showing its cracks and shortcomings, but not really interested in rebuilding the Republic so much as simply enriching and aggrandizing himself. After him will come a Sulla-figure, someone who can use the broken democracy for something like the ends Trump's supporters imagine, selflessly, for the restoration of the Republic and its old order. This works at least to the point that they nation can continue as the dominant nation of the world for some decades, until the true Caesar arises. This person would be born around 2030, and formed in the world of the 30's and 40s, and likely do his work and meet his fate in the 60s and 70s. By this time all resistance to his reworking of society into an Empire will have crumbled: there will be a consensus that the nation cannot go on like it has, and only a focused leadership and supression of dissent can allow certain problems to be solved effectively. So, TLDR, no, he is not Caesar. But he is an important developmental figure, preparing the ground.
"By this time all resistance to his reworking of society into an Empire will have crumbled: there will be a consensus that the nation cannot go on like it has, and only a focused leadership and supression of dissent can allow certain problems to be solved effectively." I think we're close to that tipping point already. It's likely to come in the next decade, not forty or fifty years from now. By then China will already have surpassed the US as the world's dominant economic power, assuming the robots haven't taken over. The only silver lining I can see is that climate change will be so out of control by then that even the dumbest Americans will have to wake up to reality, and maybe - just _maybe_ - they'll realise they've been conned.
The America of the Founders died by the end of the Civil War, if not by the 1920s when America lost its Anglo-Protestant identity. Maybe, maybe 1964 with the Civil Rights Act and 1965 with the Immigration and Nationality Act. Now we got Poojeets running for President quoting Thomas Jefferson.
Yes, I've always found it weird Sulla doesn't come up. If there is a future Caesar/Napoleon they're currently watching this unfold and scheming what'll happen when they get their seat in power based on what we're witnessing in this chaos. Trump exposed fulcrums of abuse. The question for a would be revolutionary is how to get more direct control, or set up partners/conspirators in those key positions as Trump's done in the court. The Fed, DoD, and congress would be the next big ones to rerig, I guess.
@JohannesNiederhauser Sulla is both a precedent and foil to Caesar. Both are military generals, not men of the senate who avoided battle. Both also marched on Rome and wielded somewhat unchecked power. However Sulla is the one who relinquished his dictatorship, and he was not a populist, whereas Caesar did the inverse. As you stated, Trump is a man of (tremendous) money, it would be hard to imagine him breaking the system of money, democracy, when it has served him so well. He also relinquished control of his presidency at his first terms end (albeit with vocal protest) in an ultimately peaceful manner - no war was fought to transition administrations. This is more akin to Sulla than Caesar. Now, he does have the backing of certain financial and political elites (Musk and Thiel, as you alluded to), who are similarly quite invested in this financial system. Yet the broader established political elite were set against him, as evidenced by the embrace of Cheney and McCain into the anti-Trump camp, though they were once vilified. Whether this is evidence that he is a Caesarian populist is debatable, though I see a fair case for it. He claims to have the intention of bureaucratic reduction, personal economic deregulation, and the bolstering of individual rights - certainly more of a populist lean. If actually accomplished, I do think he might have closer parallels Spengler's Caesar. Not that it breaks democracy itself, but it would do a fair bit of tearing apart the established order. For a nation so inspired by Rome from the outset, it is no wonder we expect it to birth a Caesar at some point. You've definitely got me to thinking about this a lot more!
I think it's actually JD Vance is the next Caesar, I've been fully convinced for months of this. He's among the youngest, quickest to power figures in politics, and as well spoken and articulate as he is (plus, the already rampant rumors he'll be president in 2028), it's clear to me that Trump will leave a legacy that JD will use to transform the society, for ever, once and for all. He's not going anywhere until at least the 2060s.
Thiel is involved in facial recognition and surveillance. Musk is involved in Neuralink and space exploration. Thiel is also connected to Curtin Yarvin, a monarchist blogger. Notice that most people are pessimistic about the future. The West has no religion left. All they can unify behind is an optimistic vision of a good economy, new technology, and space exploration. Future American leaders will offer the people a Singapore deal - good governance in exchange for less democracy and less rights.
@@aesop1451 We don't have good government and we aren't getting good government. Looks to me like we may be getting a Zionist and (totally phony) bloodline of Jesus monarchy/one world government. Jesus the rebel leader who wanted to overthrow the Romans and was a Jewish rabbi, not the Christian Jesus. But the Christians will fall for it.
@@aesop1451 "Future American leaders will offer the people a Singapore deal - good governance in exchange for less democracy and less rights." How exactly does less democracy and fewer rights = good governance? The whole of human history demonstrates otherwise. The United States was founded on the principle that only "We, The People" can rule a country well. Its current decline is due to the gradual erosion of democracy by special interests, as the US is basically an oligarchy masquerading as a republic at this point.
Well it fits what the Bible, Evola, and Guenon say about the End Times. If we take a look at Napoleon, Napoleon was instrumental in spreading the ideas of the French Revolution. He also emancipated the shtetl. You can have a "based" Caesarian figure that is purely pragmatic and has no ideology. The Austrian painter wrote a manifesto and was more uncompromising.
Maybe his son Don Jr., who has been one of his most vocal supporters? As for Cassius, there are too many candidates to consider. The US political system is full of greedy, manipulative and self-interested individuals.
1960 past Abraham = Julius 1960 past Christ = JFK Both killed by the government. So... Julius = JFK Cleopatra = Marilyn Monroe (suicide) Marc Anthony = RFK Brutus = Teddy Kennedy
I think a lot of people are just blind to the potential good things possible under the next administration. Like in this video he talks about control of the press is a control of wealth... which is technically true as a statement because Elon bought Twitter, but he did it to put an end to censorship and to protect free speech rather than control it. Trump has made very clear statements that his goal as president is to expand free speech protections onto users of all social media platforms if they want to continue to be protected by Section 230... which basically means that if you want to call yourself a publisher rather than the speaker of the content that you platform you have to also adhere to certain rules pertaining to free speech, which honestly makes a lot of sense.
Decline? The Roman Empire lasted for over 400 years after Caligula in the west and over 1000 years in the east. The golden age of the empire hasn't even started yet in Caligula's time. Whatever antics Caligula did, didn't affect the empire too much.
The fun thing about Caligula was his sarcastic madness was only targeted at the wealthy elites ... Who coincidentally were pretty much the only ones with the literacy and leisure to write contemporary history. Also the other guy is right, it's another 300 years til you could say Rome started to fall and wasn't just a hiccup
Really interesting analysis Johannes. Thanks for providing this thought-provoking article. I am certainly intrigued to better study Spengler as a result. I'm wondering how Spengler explained the cycling long term of cultural civilisation like China which passed through dynasties having what seems to my limited study their own seasonal arcs but the underlying metaculture endures. And would a culture as dynamic as the Western tradition not be able to continue to enter a new Spring season with the right cultural awakenings? Like the artistic and humanistic Renaissance, the intellectual enlightenment, the scientific era, each have their seasonal arcs it seems to me. What comes after would have been unknowable in each of the prior eras and we likewise cannot probably imagine what will come to transform our admittedly wintery self-cannabilistic times.
DON TRUMP equals 121 (English Gematria). MICK SERRIDGE equals 121 (English Gematria) ANU ANUNNAKI equals 121 (English Gematria). 11/11 DEJA VU says that It’s no coincidence that 11 x 11 = 121 and 12 + 21 equals ILL, GAY, DON, A CON, KKK and NRA 33. 21 minus 12 equals 9 (3+3+3). I recorded several songs about Trump in my album named Starseed Nation 2012 and released them on 11/11/11 for a reason. This godly game is on now, David Bowie says, “I’m Afraid of Americans.”
@@allelss-oh8sj some dude in a Viking helmet walked around taking selfies with people at the capitol. Feds started a riot to make the protestors outside look like criminals. House democrats like the ACTUAL fascists they are tried to demonize an entire political group and persecute them as terrorists - using the state media to get their base to cheer them on while they commit crimes against the constitution on American citizens. This whole time Democrats did this they said "IF WE DONT ARREST TRUMP FIRST HE'LL AREST US ALL AND THROW US IN CAMPS! WE NEED TO SAVE DEMOCRACY BY DESTROYING IT BEFORE HE DOES!! EXCECUTE ORDER 66!!!!!" or something absurd resembling that. Today they're all kissing his ass hoping he won't prosecute them for being corrupt as fuck and investigations are going on and all kinds of juicy truth is coming out. Sunlight is such a wonderful sanitizer. So is salt. So much salt.
@@allelss-oh8sj Some silly people entered the American Capitol building and instead of sacking and burning it to the ground, took photographs behind restricted lines.
How can a Caesarian figure work against the money power when Caesar was financed by Crassus and never actually overthrew the money power? I disagree with the premise from the outset.
Not yet, but after his last presidency I'm betting he will use it to expand power. I'll be going through all his appointees, cabinet members, everyone. Just like I did the first time, cross reference with corporate and internationalist think tanks. Everyone should, particularly Treasury and federal reserve.
It appears as if he's forming his own independent political and financial alliances outside of the establishment sphere of influence this time around, but we'll see.
It would be funny to see the alternate future of seeing the fall of America mirroring the fall of Rome. The North falls but the south lives on until the Fall of Richmond, Virginia
What we must not forget instead is that they banned the works of Spengler. Of course, the nazis appropriated ideas from everywhere, including the term Third Reich (that was used by Conservative Revolutionists decades earlier), but this has nothing to do with Spengler.
@fubokuen That's been true up until now but I wouldn't count on it in the future. With a Republican dominated Congress and a co-opted Supreme Court, our POTUS to be seems well positioned to "terminate the Constitution" as he's suggested.
Ceasar was not an outsider. He was the definition of a career politician. And he was a socialist. The things Ceasar and Trump have in common. 1. They're both populists. 2. They're both leaders of their political party through sheer popularity. 2. They were both the victims of the weaponization of the legal system to take out a political opponent. 3. Both allied with the richest man in the world, and other interesting characters. 4. Both had womanizing scandals plaguing their political careers. Of course Ceasar lost his political battle and resorted to using the army and became a military Dictator.
Countries from the Roman Empire after the Empire split into East and West, and after the Catholic Church split into East and West. And the English speaking countries of today.
I agree with @watermelonlalala, it is Athens, Jerusalem, and the product of their union. Even the secular nations of Europe carry the moral and social framework of that heritage forth, it a way many Asian nations (for example) might not. The boundary lines may be fuzzy, but it is a useful descriptor!
@@HunterNinjacat In the Great Schism of 1054, the patriarch of Jerusalem joined those of Antioch, Constantinople and Alexandria as the Eastern Orthodox Church. All Christians in the Holy Land came under the jurisdiction of the Orthodox patriarch of Jerusalem.
Some are intuitive prodigies. They can read the times and their people like no other. I think Trump is one of them. A charismatic figure that can change the tides, if the Providence wills it.
You let me down because I never did get to hear what it means "the rule of money "rule of technology "… Considering the fact that technology has always been with us and currency/trade has always been with us. I hope you will do a part two to this topic because it seems like it would be you to talk more about Trump in this regard, especially about Trump, considering the fact that he is practically the first politician, wealthy enough in the system to be independent from the system. So tell us what these things mean in real terms because it's not as if socialism operates outside of money and certainly not outside of technology.
When understanding this topic, it would be beneficial to read any work from Spengler first. Also how is a person independent from the system when he is the member of a business dynasty?
Well if you wanted to draw a parallels between a Trump presidency as being the beginning of a line of emperors, and of course the line of Caesar, well there was close to 5 centuries of of Rome and then after the 5th century within the western Roman empire fell only because of the fact that the Eastern Roman empire didn't want to bother governing Western Europe anymore. The Eastern empire though stayed intact until the 15th century.
Hell no. I voted for trump and supported him but thats a real insukt to caesar. Trump is a populist to a point but hes hardly the ideological passionate man of history.
Caligula was based tho. Made sycophants come through with empty promises, made a party boat in the middle of the rich people's vacation lake, told the worthless senators his horse was just as competent as them. The guy really had it out for the wealthy elites, some of whome probably abused him as a child while he was a ..preferred guest.. at Tiberius' pleasure place
In brief, I've written and explained before in my own blog and elsewhere that Trump ruling the USA is most accurately comparable to emperor Claudius ruling ancient Rome, noting that there are patterns and regularities in historical events through periods or intervals of time of 2000 years. A relevant notion is the inversion or transmutation of values, along with the periodic recurrence of events, more or less related to Nietzsche’s ideas. Now that Trump is again (or still) the president, I think my comparison and reasoning still hold and are valid. Trump can be compared in particular to one of the Roman Caesars.
If you want to go deeper into Spengler, here is our course on The Decline of the West: halkyonacademy.teachable.com/p/spengler-the-decline-of-the-west
Trump = 2 terms 45 / 47
Hillary = 0 terms Biden = 1 terms 46 Harris = 0 terms It takes a man to Beat a man ?
Trumps more like the Salad...
I was pondering on this yesterday. Nice one. I think he is, but on the better side of that character.
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THE ANTICHRIST
AMERICA IS MYSTERY BABYLON
The short answer is No
My answer is yes. All the different threads come together perfectly:
1) The Faustian West is creatively and spiritually exhausted. All it has left is technology, which Elon represents. He's involved in transhumanism through Neuralink and Mars colonization through SpaceX.
2) Spengler's Winter phase corresponds to Guenon and Evola's Kali Yuga or Iron Age. Guenon predicted that there will be a "Great Parody" in the end times. A counter-tradition or inverted spirituality. Transhumanism fits this role, but we should also note that JD Vance has cited Curtis Yarvin as an influence on him. Yarvin is a blogger that has made secular arguments in favor of monarchy.
3) Right now there is a conflict going on in the Middle East. Trump was chosen by a certain group of people to solve this conflict. Once there is peace in the Middle East, the Third Temple will be rebuilt. Look up the IMEC Corridor (India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor). Israel will benefit immensely.
4) Are you starting to see the pieces coming together? The world is embracing right-wing populism and faith in democracy is at an all time low. People have become more willing to give unrestricted power to politicians in hopes that they will solve the issues of the age.
He's not Cesar, he is Nero, known for his personal debaucheries and extravagances and for his burning of Rome and persecutions of Christians.
@@luisbustamante9869 What is wrong with you?
It's like a child found a dictionary. Get a real education and you might see something true.
@@candide1065 Acute observation? Chronic alertness? Terminal bull**** spotting?
He was 1 inch away from being Tiberius Gracchus. That's why history doesn't necessarily repeat, it merely rhymes, because serendipity and plain luck happens.
This, he was more of a Gracchi brother. We're still in "rich get richer while forgetting us" stage and not quite at the mob riots and civil wars deciding elections
Nailed it
lol that is a bad ass line... history doesn't necessarily repeat, it merely rhymes... god damn lol
I think he is still in danger. 2 attempts on his life in a few months, but he still has 4 years of presidency.
Julius Caesar: "I came, I saw, I conquered."
Donald Trump: "covfefe"
Trump: "I came to the border, i saw the border, i built the great big beautiful wall!"
You're goddamn right.
You watch too much msm. Completely propagandized
Hannibal lecter is was a great general.
@@Menaceblue3 Did he? Wasn't it something he promised the first time?
But that is not to say that a Caesar will not appear
Exactly
I am constantly preparing myself for the day I rise.
Yes.
@@lawsoflycurgus That’s what they all say.
Always a fan favorite democrat, genghis, liu bei, erik the red, grant or jackson, wouldn't have spared brutus and refused bodyguards; or for such a renowned general cry after pompey's got killed with all of his soldiers that he killed, being a wierd one though, lol?
Or cromwell as one of the most successful generals besides his body getting dug up, with a strong work ethic and new model army, or oda nobunaga, or pharoah khufu or khafre the builders that paid in beer unlike cromwell fighting the king?
He's a populist moderate. Turn off the idiotic corporate propaganda and look at him your damn self is my advice to TDS sufferers.
The evidence shows that Trump was a pretty great leader when weighted towards domestic economics. Real wages rose 8.2% over 4 years and inflation was negligible. Biden's presidency saw a 1% increase in real wages over 4 years with crippling inflation and massive corporate monopolistic interference in the housing market and subsequent housing prices.
@@aleveryonesdaddyhorford8109yeah but it doesn’t change the fact that he is a moderate. I agree with you Trump was great, but he’s a typical centrist with right leaning views. 80s democrat
He's not an idealog,he's a puppet controlled by the heritage foundation.
You spelt fascist wrong.
Correct. His policy positions are basically those of a 90s Democrat.
These people claiming he's an "extremist" have lost all ability to think for themselves.
He is, however, the best president of the 21st century, and it's not even close.
If he delivers his promises to reform and remove a lot of the federal government, he's a Mt. Rushmore level leader.
Ceasar was an actual genius.military and political, which is rare.
Also literary! The Gallic and Civil Wars are a model of elegant Latin, and he also wrote political speeches, as well as poetry (Laus Herculis) and a work on the rules of grammar. Imagine that from Trump!
@@StiloVerso-kn7wn You forgot that he was likely a brilliant mathematician; his calendar is basically still in use.
Alexander the Great, Bonaparte, Eisenhower, Charles de Gaulle...
@@StiloVerso-kn7wn Also fashionable as a young man, handsome and much copied (especially his trend of loose cuffs and standing collars). Musicians sought him out.
Trump is also a genius
Two interesting notes on this matter,1. Julius Cesar had good reason to bring his soldiers with him, as the last time someone found themselves in the same position they ended up dead, 2. Julius Cesar didn't actually disband the Senate, a successor used the assassination of him to justify doing so
Not a Caesar, and not a dictator. Caesar conquered his rivals and ended the era of Rome as a Republic to begin the Roman Empire with himself as a dictatorial Emperor.
If we ever should end up with a dictator (and my hope is we never do), the best case scenario would not be a Caesar, but a Cincinnatus.
Legend has it the retired Cincinnatus was called upon to be dictator not once, but in two occasions in the face of emergencies. In both instances, Cincinnatus rapidly quelled each crisis, then dutifully and promptly turned power back over, returning to his farm and retirement.
He could easily have decided to heed the temptations of absolute authority and kept the power of dictatorship, but instead chose to return to the Romans their Republic.
Ironic: because if there is a Ceaser; odds are he's watching this.
To be fair, we do need to find a new form of government and even system building. A revaluation of all values, like Nietzche said. One ought not to be weak like Nietzche and actually set a new system. Why denied nature of its will to power through us, right?
Of course a system for the species, not country men.
yes I am, (I a middle class, Gen Z from suburbs and, have 0 measurable chance of that)
Why do you think so?
I am.
Yes I am watching😂
He isnt, if anything, he's more like a Graccus figure, a portent of things to come rather than anyone particularly important in and of themselves.
Pretty much. Actually, I'd argue that the first portent of things to come (in the vein of Trump) was Ronald Reagan. He was a certified actor who became president...filthy rich, appealing to the masses, but not really in charge of anything. Trump is another actor who became president...and his presidency and popularity are all about his wealth and showmanship. He's a much worse version of Reagan. Where Reagan acted modest and appeared to have a vision beyond himself, Trump is merely an empty suit egoist, blatantly and solely dedicated to his own celebrity.
this is ridiculous, Graccus made economic policies to benefit the working class like land reforms... Trump is litearlly doing the opposite, enriching the elites and applying tariffs that the middle and lower classes will have to pay.
@@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717 Lol Trump got shot on live TV yet stood up and inspired a nation... and he is just an empty celebrity... say what?
I agree. He's quite a terrifying omen of things to come. If someone manage to become an inheritor of Trump and also actually have intellectual capacities, they might turn "the land of the free" into a totalitarian hellscape.
You really are ignorant@@elvenkind6072
Absolutely not, he lines up with Tiberius Gracchus. A family member can substitute as Caius Gracchus later.
Yes, indeed
Baron Trump will be king
@ Caius was murdered like his older brother.
No, Julian the apostate.
laughing, imagining this as the post-election recap on mainstream media
None of them have ever read anything except Harry Potter.
@@JohannesNiederhauser Trump is literally voldemort!
@@JohannesNiederhauser chauvinism like this is what rationalizes slavery
@@JohannesNiederhauser😂😂😂 it’s saddening, but so true
@@kulesa No, it's all shitlibs read.
No one who knows anything about the life of Julius Caesar would compare Trump to him in any way.
The fanboiz are stroking off again, disregard
Spengler's Caesar ≠ literally Julius Caesar
Two different things. 😂
"What if the gracchi brothers weren't assassinated" might play out in these 4 years
The mans literally saving the republic and they call him a dictator. Pitiful
No, but he plays one on TV.
A Caesar simulacrum
@JohannesNiederhauser 'Not reality - actuality.'
@@JohannesNiederhauser
Technically Trump did set foot upon Caesar's Palace.....
But that was in Las Vegas, Nevada
Caesar will appear when Trump fails...
If he does. He only has four short years in office. Not even his strongest supporters think he can do it all in that time. Re-establishing the American republic is a generational project.
We already had our Ceaser. A long time ago. It was Lincoln.
Biden and harris messed up so bad he might need longer than 4 years. But what we have seen in one week of him getting elecred is definitely a good sign, and if we take house, he'll be able to fix it a lot faster.
Trump fail? HA! Trump has succeeded TWICE ... and rather dramatically at that.
I know a Cesar....
His name is "Cesar Octavio R. Dominguez de la Cruz" and he's an owner of a landscape business in my town.
I don’t know, but every future president of USA will try to be new Trump .
Ideology is not problem, even socialist trump or Christian fundamentalist trump will be possible in USA.
no, he is not the equivalent of caesar. but he is an extraordinary man, meaning he can bend and shape reality around him. i think each is in a cathegory of his own
"Cathegory"?
So he’s just a huge liar
@@StudSupreme yes. is that your only objection?
@@AllMagasGoToGitmo no. he is differently extraordinary, like napoleon is from hitler, from caesar or from alexander note that the extraordinary is not in itself good. it can, in fact, be very bad.
@@celmaidinpadurebaiat he’s extraordinarily mobbed up, yes - he will defang the federal government and sell America off for parts, create his own oligarchs and rule in the model of his teacher, Czar Putin, for whom he was “the apprentice”
“Just leave the liquuuuuid gold to meeee”
The haters will make up all kinds of theories and conspiracies,rather to admit that President Donald Trump is an American for Americans. A True Patriot who fights for his people.
Typical cesarean lol
The Trumps are the Graccus. Not the Iulius.
Came here to type this
No he isn’t, he is the Sulla.
@@Thought_Processing_
Sulla was an Optimate to turned dictator to undo populist reforms and eliminate his perceived threats to the Republic, then made reforms to turn the state apparatus stronger and prevent other great men from doing the same (unsuccessfully).
Sulla would be the equivalent of some Deep State figure sizing power by authoritarian means to uphold the already existing regime, who would persecute populists like Trump and dissenters.
Sulla is literally the "restricting democracy to save our democracy" meme.
@Thought_Processing_ The best response to this ironically comes from leftist Cenk Uygur. "The Democrats don't really think Trump will be a dictator because when we tried to get someone, anyone to run against Trump, they all declined. 2028, they said. Meanwhile, if they actually believed their rhetoric their wouldn't BE an election in 2028." You've fallen prey to oligarch propaganda released by a media that's been co-opted by the intelligence services. Be a little more discerning in the future, and maybe you, too, can become immune to fake news.
@@Thought_Processing_ agreed. Closer to sulla than caesar. The republicans are optimates. People forgot how fanatical optimates are just because caesar is a populist dictator.
I think Trump is more akin to the Gracchi brothers. Wealthy plebeians who rose through the ranks and wanted to break down the Patrician oligarchy in Rome by appealing to populism
Sulla is more analogous imho. The one who shows where the cracks are and forces drastic measures. Caesar is someone watching this unfold right now and getting creative ideas about what they could do from that position of power.
My anime plot prediction is that Vance assA$$inates him on Jan 6 2029 instead of certifying whoever. He becomes president and pardons his own crime. Then Peter Thiel does his evil laugh and we cut to black.
I really like this comment, well put!
@@AdobadoFantastico "Et tu, Vance?"
@@AdobadoFantastico Unlikely outcome.
Sulla gave himself absolute legislative powers by military force. Not even remotely similar in their governance styles. Until Trump starts holding Congressional meetings with a cadre of stormtroopers in the room pointing rifles at the legislators, the comparison falls a bit flat to say the least. As I said in another post they are similar in that Sulla was a political outsider and immigration/citizenship status was a hot button issue of his day, but that's about it.
Dear Johannes,
thank you for your contribution! I'd like to share my thoughts. Inspired by readings like Varoufakis's Technofeudalism, I delved into some numbers. It's clear that real estate is a far more critical asset than big tech. According to a recent McKinsey study, 66% of global net worth is tied to real estate-a sector heavily influenced by demographics. As you know, the West faces very low birth rates. This, combined with welfare systems (especially in Germany), is a key driver for migration, as it sustains demand for real estate. Imagine the decline if there were no migration. Emanuel Todd suggests in Lineages of Modernity that Germany might have a vested interest in prolonging the Ukraine conflict to benefit from Ukrainian migration.
In the current decline, asset owners are motivated to preserve their wealth despite demographic and economic challenges. The goal appears to be to maintain stability, often at the expense of the lower classes. I believe the political influence of the real estate asset class is still underestimated (in the media or critical "bubble"). Just my two cents.
@@adalbertthomalla4887 If I may add some cents...It is one of the biggest schemes&scame, combined with construction industry especially in Europe. Where I'm from ..we have the biggest amonut of sattelite mals per citizen with a lot of potential farmland covered in concrete, combined with cheap workfoce from south of Balkan peninsula, they are the core of construction buisines...
People in the comments saying he is like Gracchi brothers (hell no!).... the Kennedy Brothers were like the Gracchi, and like them, both were really assassinated by factions of their own government.... also, the Ur-Symbol of the West is infinite space, not static bound form like Apollonian man who thus saw the powerful and divine as in human-form, so our "Ceasar" may or will not even come in human form -- but as something techno-modified.
Ahriman.
Trump is Sulla
Both can be. Trump is if the gracchi brothers didn't have things ended so soon. As well as Julian the apostate. To say otherwise means you have TDS like the person who made this video.
no, he's both Gracchi brothers at the same time, the last time for the rich to give up power in order to save themselves
Reddit tier bullshit cope. There will be no class war. You will do nothing, you have no power or balls
Writing 100 years ago, Spengler thought it was already winter, and expected the end of the Faustian civilisation (ours) about now. He was right. Clearly it's dead now.
How do you explain all the technological discoveries and advancements that Western Civilization made in the 20th Century? You could argue that we had a decline of the spirit and morality of the West, especially in the later 20th Century, but I am not sure that we could call it Winter until, perhaps, now.
Did you read Spengler? He specifically said that Winter, the dying, is what causes the Caesar to arise. He predicted it would begin around the year 2000, and it did, in a way, with the vast expansion of the federal government under Bush (specifically the national security state) and that this period would last 200 years. The platforming of Unitary Executive Theory prefigures the coming Caesar... if there is one.
@@jl696 There may be technological advancements still but the high culture of the West has been essentially dead for at least 60 years now. One can see this more in certain art forms than others, but in some areas the decline is quite astonishing. Poetry as a high art is in incredible abeyance. When future civilizations look back at the West I believe they will identify the high culture that began in the Renaissance as having ended with or shortly after WWII.
Even on the point of technology, it doesn't seem to me there are any longer great advances. The internet can be used for other purposes but it is for most primarily an entertainment device. In other words, simply a development of television. Peter Thiel and others have argued that technology has in fact very much stagnated in the last 50 or so years.
We gotta get that Brawndo on the crops, stat
@@redcatofdeaththe internet is more than entertainment, it’s surveillance; funny you should mention Thiel 🤔
Donald ❌
Barron ✅
Caesar Augustus, that'd make Vance his Anthony?
You're certifable.
@@mnk9073 And who is his Agrippa?
@@jl696 Pim Tool (Tim Pool)
AVTISMVS@@mnk9073
Trump: veni, vici, prayed at the wailing wall
I thought more like Scooby-Doo?
lol the left can't find a way to label him.
@ I just did
Thank you for this. Do you have a recommendation on an english language translation of Spengler's Decline?
The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe...for the axe convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.
I really like this quote, but I think you have applied it completely opposite. The wooden handle convincing the trees is identity politics of the democrats, and the axe head is regressive viewpoints, ineffective policies, and a destructive nature that at its core wants to chop down the system rather than maintain or build anything up, because that is the more difficult part of the process that they are too shortsighted to see. Liberals are like a righting crowd with axes, they know that they are angry, and they want to chop things down, but they don’t know who, what, or why. They will end up with a clear cut forest, and wonder why they have no food.
That’s putting it in the context of your quote. A vast majority of the Trump supporters have swung his way as a rejection of liberal hysteria.
@@BaliBillionaire Nah, man, it's a clown working as a fry cook at McDonald's and riding in a garbage truck.
@@BaliBillionaire Nah, man, it's a rich man pretending to work as a fry cook at McDonald's and riding in a garbage truck.
@@BaliBillionaire Garbage trucks and French Fries make a rich man a commoner, not.
@@BaliBillionaire What a load of nonsense.
Johannes, my brother... bloody BRILLIANT. Cheers, Prost from America!!
Possibly he’s the Cornelius Sulla, the one who precedes the Cæsar? Could a Cæsar have existed without the actions of Sulla and Marius, nevermind the brorhers Gracchi?
Yes! He just announced 1 year of parties, shows and games to celebrate USA 250 year anniversary! This is a way to unite the country and distract them for the real shit happening!
I remember in Trump Part 1 thinking him a sort of Charlemagne, resurrecting an ancient order in a mock-Roman fashion.
Maybe, except Charles was at least 2x as literate lmaoooo
great leaders require a great people. there is no great people left
But he's going to be surrounding himself with "Very fine people". 🙄
Trump might be like an Italian figure, but it's not Caesar, it's Mussolini.
@@Neonmirrorblack well, fascist italy was mediocre so that statement is correct.
No.He is an important character in the ending American empire. Like those kings or emperors who appear just before empires go down.The calm before the storm.
The salt and tears are strong in this one.
@@candide1065very salty, need some fries with it.
@candide1065
I am not an American nor do I care about your political parties. I am neutral about Trump.The fact is your empire is going down regardless of Trump.
Trump was installed by the Zionist Empire. It is not going down.
"calm" is a bit relative with Trump.
Wouldn't Franklin (I got 4 terms) Roosevelt be the closest thing we have to a Cesar. Trump is gonna do his 4 years and hit the road and the Republicans are gonna have a rough time after he is gone.
Not likely, this is the decade of action. It started in 2020 and will only expand up to 2030. That's literally the plan and trump will play his part in this transformation.
Trump wont last 4 years...cue Vance.
@@nicolasolton I have that same theory. I expected Trump to win, but not this big. Why didn't _they_ steal the election this time? Trump has two options: Comply or get replaced. He might get replaced anyways. We would see levels of patriotism not seen since 9/11. Patriot Act 2.0 or Enabling Act. Vance, who is uncharismatic, would have a mandate to go after those responsible.
you really think Trump is stopping at 4 years? no way, he has plans to perpetuate himslef in power
@@nicolasolton If sleepy Joe and can do it Trump can do it. Well see how the midterms go, Im sure the dems will bring more fake impeachments if they get the chance.
i hope Marc Andresson sees this
He has enrolled in some of our courses so maybe yes.
@@JohannesNiederhauser It's kind of strange that Silicon Valley tech executive would be interested in philosophies and worldviews that are critical of technology. Trust me, technology + monarchy is not going to be as based as you think it is. In the 40s and 50s the West had economic prosperity. If you got rid of all the economic and demographic problems, it would only take us back to the 40s and 50s.
Fascinating to listen to. Spengler is one of those authors who seems interesting but it is unlikely I will ever get to him.
I see estimates in the comments that he is the Gracchi, or Marius, or Sulla, but not Caesar. The analysis I have preferred is from the book Spengler's Future, from the 1980s, which compares leaders and events in different civilizations and offers a way to guess where we are in the cycle, and therefore what to expect. By this analysis, Ross Perot was in the position of the Gracchi, offering to restore the Republic to an earlier mode of working, but falling short of the power and broadness of appeal required. Trump is then Marius, straining the system and showing its cracks and shortcomings, but not really interested in rebuilding the Republic so much as simply enriching and aggrandizing himself.
After him will come a Sulla-figure, someone who can use the broken democracy for something like the ends Trump's supporters imagine, selflessly, for the restoration of the Republic and its old order. This works at least to the point that they nation can continue as the dominant nation of the world for some decades, until the true Caesar arises. This person would be born around 2030, and formed in the world of the 30's and 40s, and likely do his work and meet his fate in the 60s and 70s. By this time all resistance to his reworking of society into an Empire will have crumbled: there will be a consensus that the nation cannot go on like it has, and only a focused leadership and supression of dissent can allow certain problems to be solved effectively.
So, TLDR, no, he is not Caesar. But he is an important developmental figure, preparing the ground.
"By this time all resistance to his reworking of society into an Empire will have crumbled: there will be a consensus that the nation cannot go on like it has, and only a focused leadership and supression of dissent can allow certain problems to be solved effectively."
I think we're close to that tipping point already. It's likely to come in the next decade, not forty or fifty years from now. By then China will already have surpassed the US as the world's dominant economic power, assuming the robots haven't taken over. The only silver lining I can see is that climate change will be so out of control by then that even the dumbest Americans will have to wake up to reality, and maybe - just _maybe_ - they'll realise they've been conned.
May he have the success of Alexander and avoid the fate of Caesar.
Any thoughts on him being more like a Sulla?
Share yours
The America of the Founders died by the end of the Civil War, if not by the 1920s when America lost its Anglo-Protestant identity. Maybe, maybe 1964 with the Civil Rights Act and 1965 with the Immigration and Nationality Act. Now we got Poojeets running for President quoting Thomas Jefferson.
Yes, I've always found it weird Sulla doesn't come up. If there is a future Caesar/Napoleon they're currently watching this unfold and scheming what'll happen when they get their seat in power based on what we're witnessing in this chaos. Trump exposed fulcrums of abuse. The question for a would be revolutionary is how to get more direct control, or set up partners/conspirators in those key positions as Trump's done in the court. The Fed, DoD, and congress would be the next big ones to rerig, I guess.
@JohannesNiederhauser
Sulla is both a precedent and foil to Caesar. Both are military generals, not men of the senate who avoided battle. Both also marched on Rome and wielded somewhat unchecked power. However Sulla is the one who relinquished his dictatorship, and he was not a populist, whereas Caesar did the inverse.
As you stated, Trump is a man of (tremendous) money, it would be hard to imagine him breaking the system of money, democracy, when it has served him so well. He also relinquished control of his presidency at his first terms end (albeit with vocal protest) in an ultimately peaceful manner - no war was fought to transition administrations. This is more akin to Sulla than Caesar.
Now, he does have the backing of certain financial and political elites (Musk and Thiel, as you alluded to), who are similarly quite invested in this financial system. Yet the broader established political elite were set against him, as evidenced by the embrace of Cheney and McCain into the anti-Trump camp, though they were once vilified. Whether this is evidence that he is a Caesarian populist is debatable, though I see a fair case for it.
He claims to have the intention of bureaucratic reduction, personal economic deregulation, and the bolstering of individual rights - certainly more of a populist lean. If actually accomplished, I do think he might have closer parallels Spengler's Caesar. Not that it breaks democracy itself, but it would do a fair bit of tearing apart the established order.
For a nation so inspired by Rome from the outset, it is no wonder we expect it to birth a Caesar at some point. You've definitely got me to thinking about this a lot more!
@@HunterNinjacat Great, thank you!
The disrespect to Ceasar is wild
Trump is Marius. Marius inspired Caeser. Caeser is yet to come.
This. A Gracchi or Marius, not yet Caesar
I think it's actually JD Vance is the next Caesar, I've been fully convinced for months of this. He's among the youngest, quickest to power figures in politics, and as well spoken and articulate as he is (plus, the already rampant rumors he'll be president in 2028), it's clear to me that Trump will leave a legacy that JD will use to transform the society, for ever, once and for all.
He's not going anywhere until at least the 2060s.
He's my Orange Julius!!!🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊
(See what I did there?? I miss Orange Julius!!! It was soooooo good!!)
🤦😂
Don't insult Caesar . I remember translating his Gallic Wars
Great analysis!
@@alexvatoussis6001 thank you, Alex. Hope you’re well
if that means "The evil empire" by RATM becomes USA soundtrack, might as well
How exactly would Peter Thiel and Elon Musk be Caesarian? Would you kindly expand on that?
Elon may turn out to be like Crassus.😮
Thiel is involved in facial recognition and surveillance. Musk is involved in Neuralink and space exploration. Thiel is also connected to Curtin Yarvin, a monarchist blogger. Notice that most people are pessimistic about the future. The West has no religion left. All they can unify behind is an optimistic vision of a good economy, new technology, and space exploration. Future American leaders will offer the people a Singapore deal - good governance in exchange for less democracy and less rights.
@@aesop1451 it’s funny you say that, because I’m in Singapore right now
@@aesop1451 We don't have good government and we aren't getting good government. Looks to me like we may be getting a Zionist and (totally phony) bloodline of Jesus monarchy/one world government. Jesus the rebel leader who wanted to overthrow the Romans and was a Jewish rabbi, not the Christian Jesus. But the Christians will fall for it.
@@aesop1451 "Future American leaders will offer the people a Singapore deal - good governance in exchange for less democracy and less rights."
How exactly does less democracy and fewer rights = good governance? The whole of human history demonstrates otherwise. The United States was founded on the principle that only "We, The People" can rule a country well. Its current decline is due to the gradual erosion of democracy by special interests, as the US is basically an oligarchy masquerading as a republic at this point.
Queens of the Stone Age: in times New Roman ….
"he who pays the piper, calls the tune"
any potential to be Caesar ended when Trump accepted Sheldon's shekels.
Well it fits what the Bible, Evola, and Guenon say about the End Times. If we take a look at Napoleon, Napoleon was instrumental in spreading the ideas of the French Revolution. He also emancipated the shtetl. You can have a "based" Caesarian figure that is purely pragmatic and has no ideology. The Austrian painter wrote a manifesto and was more uncompromising.
Dos a search for "Caesar and the Jews"
No, he’s the Gracchi brothers as one person. From listening to him, I would say Vance is closer to a potential Caesar than Trump
Julius Caesar ? If so I wonder who is Brutus among his "friends"
as in "Et tu Brute.."
Maybe his son Don Jr., who has been one of his most vocal supporters?
As for Cassius, there are too many candidates to consider. The US political system is full of greedy, manipulative and self-interested individuals.
1960 past Abraham = Julius
1960 past Christ = JFK
Both killed by the government.
So...
Julius = JFK
Cleopatra = Marilyn Monroe (suicide)
Marc Anthony = RFK
Brutus = Teddy Kennedy
Marjorie Taylor Greeen 🤔
Cometh the hour, cometh the man. The only choice in this race. Caesar? That's a bit melodramatic.
Trump reminds me more of Caligula, the mad and depraved emperor who helped accelerate the decline of the Roman Empire.
I think a lot of people are just blind to the potential good things possible under the next administration. Like in this video he talks about control of the press is a control of wealth... which is technically true as a statement because Elon bought Twitter, but he did it to put an end to censorship and to protect free speech rather than control it.
Trump has made very clear statements that his goal as president is to expand free speech protections onto users of all social media platforms if they want to continue to be protected by Section 230... which basically means that if you want to call yourself a publisher rather than the speaker of the content that you platform you have to also adhere to certain rules pertaining to free speech, which honestly makes a lot of sense.
Decline? The Roman Empire lasted for over 400 years after Caligula in the west and over 1000 years in the east. The golden age of the empire hasn't even started yet in Caligula's time. Whatever antics Caligula did, didn't affect the empire too much.
The fun thing about Caligula was his sarcastic madness was only targeted at the wealthy elites
... Who coincidentally were pretty much the only ones with the literacy and leisure to write contemporary history.
Also the other guy is right, it's another 300 years til you could say Rome started to fall and wasn't just a hiccup
Really interesting analysis Johannes. Thanks for providing this thought-provoking article. I am certainly intrigued to better study Spengler as a result. I'm wondering how Spengler explained the cycling long term of cultural civilisation like China which passed through dynasties having what seems to my limited study their own seasonal arcs but the underlying metaculture endures. And would a culture as dynamic as the Western tradition not be able to continue to enter a new Spring season with the right cultural awakenings? Like the artistic and humanistic Renaissance, the intellectual enlightenment, the scientific era, each have their seasonal arcs it seems to me. What comes after would have been unknowable in each of the prior eras and we likewise cannot probably imagine what will come to transform our admittedly wintery self-cannabilistic times.
Never saw so much nonsense in one video.
Are you from they/ them gang??
@@lintoppthomas No, I'm a Julius Ceasar fan. Comparing Trump to Ceasar is an insult.
DON TRUMP equals 121 (English Gematria).
MICK SERRIDGE equals 121 (English Gematria)
ANU ANUNNAKI equals 121 (English Gematria).
11/11 DEJA VU says that It’s no coincidence that 11 x 11 = 121 and 12 + 21 equals ILL, GAY, DON, A CON, KKK and NRA 33. 21 minus 12 equals 9 (3+3+3). I recorded several songs about Trump in my album named Starseed Nation 2012 and released them on 11/11/11 for a reason. This godly game is on now, David Bowie says, “I’m Afraid of Americans.”
Irrefutable logic
Barron is Ceasar!
Baron is Octavian.
Melania is Atia Of The Julii.
@johannesniederhauser how exactly did Crassus (the rule of money) compare to money? How did Crassus change Caesarism?
Believe it or not I predicted 4 years ago trump would be reelected, this time we're in for a big surprise. Not a good one either.
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Think a new 'varient' of Warp Speed on pure steroids.
Baron will be Augustus.
"For he came down from Trump towers and beheld the wretched condition and said what have you done to overcome man"(with apologies to Nietzsche).
I am mostly concerned JD Vance is Brutus!
Is this Spengler guy the one that predicted that America would crumble before the year 2026
He didn't predict that
@@u-N16z0rz Okay then what did he predict or say or whatever.
No, Spengler never said anything like this.
@@lilemont9302 Have your read his book by the way?
He's more like Caligula.
Dude had his Rubicon (did not cross) on 6th of January 2020.
Yup
What happened that day
@@allelss-oh8sj some dude in a Viking helmet walked around taking selfies with people at the capitol. Feds started a riot to make the protestors outside look like criminals. House democrats like the ACTUAL fascists they are tried to demonize an entire political group and persecute them as terrorists - using the state media to get their base to cheer them on while they commit crimes against the constitution on American citizens.
This whole time Democrats did this they said "IF WE DONT ARREST TRUMP FIRST HE'LL AREST US ALL AND THROW US IN CAMPS! WE NEED TO SAVE DEMOCRACY BY DESTROYING IT BEFORE HE DOES!! EXCECUTE ORDER 66!!!!!" or something absurd resembling that.
Today they're all kissing his ass hoping he won't prosecute them for being corrupt as fuck and investigations are going on and all kinds of juicy truth is coming out. Sunlight is such a wonderful sanitizer. So is salt. So much salt.
@@allelss-oh8sj Some silly people entered the American Capitol building and instead of sacking and burning it to the ground, took photographs behind restricted lines.
No. He's down with the money.
Need a Sulla before Caesar
More like Nero, but very much his forebear, Caligula!
The fun thing about Caligula is he only took his sarcastic madness out on the wealthy elites. In that much I like Trump
Caesar was intelligent ,cultured and wrote a book .
Too bad he couldn't stop his successors from being corrupt clowns.
Mr. tariffs is more the mussolini type, same delusions of grandeur.
Please stop that narrative. Been played out and boring.
Trump is clearly a Gracchus
Kamela was the Commissar now she is in North Korea running a gulag
This will be fun to look back at when he secures his third term
I hope so, because after Cesar Rome went really hard
Read Roman history again from actual books! You surely missed a lot of stuff from all the youtube videos you watched!🤣🤣🤣
How can a Caesarian figure work against the money power when Caesar was financed by Crassus and never actually overthrew the money power? I disagree with the premise from the outset.
Not yet, but after his last presidency I'm betting he will use it to expand power. I'll be going through all his appointees, cabinet members, everyone. Just like I did the first time, cross reference with corporate and internationalist think tanks. Everyone should, particularly Treasury and federal reserve.
Buddy do I have bad news for you lmao
It appears as if he's forming his own independent political and financial alliances outside of the establishment sphere of influence this time around, but we'll see.
It would be funny to see the alternate future of seeing the fall of America mirroring the fall of Rome. The North falls but the south lives on until the Fall of Richmond, Virginia
We Must Not forget that the nazis loved this Book. They saw Hitler as the cesarian figure.
And ? What s wrong with book? Muh nazis book bad ?!
Everyone saw their guy as Caesar ever since Rome fell.
What we must not forget instead is that they banned the works of Spengler. Of course, the nazis appropriated ideas from everywhere, including the term Third Reich (that was used by Conservative Revolutionists decades earlier), but this has nothing to do with Spengler.
We don't care if the Nazis read a book that we do, mate.
Trump is a single Gracchi brother figure
Somehow Caligula springs to mind as a more appropriate analogy. When he appoints some horse's ass to the Senate the comparison will be more obvious.
His actual horse as 1st Consul.
More of a "my horse can run this Empire better than you lot" move than a sign of his insanity.
"When he appoints some horse's ass to the Senate the comparison will be more obvious."
Didn't that already happen with Sarah Palin?
The American Caligula…
Senators aren't appointed by the POTUS, Professor.
@fubokuen That's been true up until now but I wouldn't count on it in the future. With a Republican dominated Congress and a co-opted Supreme Court, our POTUS to be seems well positioned to "terminate the Constitution" as he's suggested.
Ceasar was not an outsider. He was the definition of a career politician. And he was a socialist.
The things Ceasar and Trump have in common.
1. They're both populists.
2. They're both leaders of their political party through sheer popularity.
2. They were both the victims of the weaponization of the legal system to take out a political opponent.
3. Both allied with the richest man in the world, and other interesting characters.
4. Both had womanizing scandals plaguing their political careers.
Of course Ceasar lost his political battle and resorted to using the army and became a military Dictator.
The better question is...What precisely is the "West"? Sounds like a myth to me and I don't think Spengler would disagree.
Countries from the Roman Empire after the Empire split into East and West, and after the Catholic Church split into East and West. And the English speaking countries of today.
Faustian civilization founded by barbarian Germanic tribes on the ashes of the Roman empire
I agree with @watermelonlalala, it is Athens, Jerusalem, and the product of their union. Even the secular nations of Europe carry the moral and social framework of that heritage forth, it a way many Asian nations (for example) might not. The boundary lines may be fuzzy, but it is a useful descriptor!
@@HunterNinjacat Jerusalem does not count. Orient. Middle East.
@@HunterNinjacat In the Great Schism of 1054, the patriarch of Jerusalem joined those of Antioch, Constantinople and Alexandria as the Eastern Orthodox Church. All Christians in the Holy Land came under the jurisdiction of the Orthodox patriarch of Jerusalem.
We are not getting any order and stability.
Julius Ceasar was light years ahead of Dementia Donald in every way !
Some are intuitive prodigies. They can read the times and their people like no other. I think Trump is one of them. A charismatic figure that can change the tides, if the Providence wills it.
No but I could see Barron becoming the next Caesar
Caesar divi filius Barronius
Barron would have to disavow Kushner and his cousins through him.
You let me down because I never did get to hear what it means "the rule of money "rule of technology "… Considering the fact that technology has always been with us and currency/trade has always been with us.
I hope you will do a part two to this topic because it seems like it would be you to talk more about Trump in this regard, especially about Trump, considering the fact that he is practically the first politician, wealthy enough in the system to be independent from the system.
So tell us what these things mean in real terms because it's not as if socialism operates outside of money and certainly not outside of technology.
When understanding this topic, it would be beneficial to read any work from Spengler first. Also how is a person independent from the system when he is the member of a business dynasty?
that’s an insult to Caesar.
No, because trump ain't a pervert
Well if you wanted to draw a parallels between a Trump presidency as being the beginning of a line of emperors, and of course the line of Caesar, well there was close to 5 centuries of of Rome and then after the 5th century within the western Roman empire fell only because of the fact that the Eastern Roman empire didn't want to bother governing Western Europe anymore. The Eastern empire though stayed intact until the 15th century.
Hell no. I voted for trump and supported him but thats a real insukt to caesar. Trump is a populist to a point but hes hardly the ideological passionate man of history.
Vespasian maybe? He can build a splendid coliseum in DC, and throw his enemies to lions and gladiators! Bread and circuses!❤
Give it up bud.
A type of Caligula
Caligula was based tho. Made sycophants come through with empty promises, made a party boat in the middle of the rich people's vacation lake, told the worthless senators his horse was just as competent as them. The guy really had it out for the wealthy elites, some of whome probably abused him as a child while he was a ..preferred guest.. at Tiberius' pleasure place
In brief, I've written and explained before in my own blog and elsewhere that Trump ruling the USA is most accurately comparable to emperor Claudius ruling ancient Rome, noting that there are patterns and regularities in historical events through periods or intervals of time of 2000 years. A relevant notion is the inversion or transmutation of values, along with the periodic recurrence of events, more or less related to Nietzsche’s ideas. Now that Trump is again (or still) the president, I think my comparison and reasoning still hold and are valid. Trump can be compared in particular to one of the Roman Caesars.
There are 2 ceazars, the title or the personality? Which ceazar are u referring to? 🤔
Commies try to convince people they are both made of wood But you can't eat wood