UNCERTIFIED DIVER RUNS OUT OF AIR AT 75 ft/22 m!
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- Picture this, you are an uncertified diver, you don't know what you are doing underwater, and all of the sudden you run out of air and you have so much weight that you can't even swim to the surface!
This is our reaction to a true story!
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75ft, poor visibility and first dive? That's incredibly irresponsible.
This was indeed the rule that was broken. Discover Scuba are max 40ft. New divers may have very high air consumption, and will run out of air faster. 2nd rule broken is that the buddy should have checked the air tank pressure of the new diver often. But this is an old incident and at that time they may have had different rules
@@AdrianCorduneanu she wasn't a dive master nor a instructor so she shouldn't have brought him at all. Nothing infuriates me more than reckless diving. She isn't trained for it and he's not certified. You can't stop people from making stupid decisions like that they go diving without proper training, but in this case it was preventable. I'm happy both survived though and the guy going for a course.
Lol totally agree, not smar t
Jfc I can’t believe people think it’s ok to do these dives with like no experience
actually, its foolish. Something a person severely lacking in good judgement (wisdom) would do. Even at peak fitness, age, health I wouldnt have considered it.
Mom started by saying she taught her son everything she remembered from when she was certified.. this says to me that not only did this boy have no certification, but he was taught by someone who some number of years ago vaguely remembers what she learned her lesson.. and they all thought that this was a safe practice. I don't get it at all
Agree
Years back I went diving in a quarry and an idiot in a dry suit was taking his uncertified (no training at all) younger brother into the water for some “try it out lessons”.
@@mlm32809 jeez... I think "resort certifications" give people a false sense that anybody can scuba dive with little to no training "on the fly".
Shockingly irresponsible.
My relative's friend learned driving at the grandparents' farm, in the countryside, except gramps had to drive an automobile almost daily in city, countryside and cross country environment. I myself started learning driving from my father who drives daily - I'd never ask mom's dad who hasn't driven in forty years.
I'm a medical professional (and recreational diver) and I wanted to address the rescue breaths issue. First: If you twist the head, you risk closing the airway. That's why you are supposed to keep someone in a "sniffing" position. Second: The debate about rescue breathing is when you don't know what has caused their issue. In this case, you *know* this guy was drowned. He did not have a cardiac event, the *only* reason his heart stopped was because he had stopped breathing. In those limited situations, rescue breathing is absolutely going to save their life and a defibrillator would likely do nothing.
If you don't know *why* the person has gotten into trouble (and often with older divers) there's a cardiac issue underlying that has caused the issue. If there is a cardiac cause for the "collapse", a defibrillator is the only thing that is going to save those people. Rescue breathing is going to slow you down.
They need the buddy to have information about the person who has been injured - does he have allergies? Does he have other conditions? How long was he down? How old is he? What's his name? (those help when assessing consciousness and addressing the person)
So - if you *know* it is a drowning situation like this, where they were out of air, and the out of air is what has caused the issue, then absolutely try and do rescue breaths and rescue breaths *can* bring back circulation and heart function. You do want to be able to do some chest compressions to help push liquid out of the lungs, but rescue breaths can save lives.
I work with babies and unlike big people their codes are almost always due to respiratory failure, and we almost never need a defibrillator.
Also, you'll want to make sure that the dive partner has not been through similar issues and is not a potential patient. Big thing that many people overlook.
It's the same in veterinary medicine as pediatrics. Respiratory failure almost always precedes cardiac failure in dogs and cats.
Was going to say, nurse here, rescue breaths essential in a situation where you know someone has been without air. What I wanted to ask, though, is is there anything you can do if a boat is not available and you need to do chest compressions? Are there any options, Dr.?
Also, I noted Gus was surprised about the HBOT set up. I take it this is an old video because being an old girl I assumed all baro chambers were set up and staffed this way until I say Woody looking for all the world like a giant baby in a fancy clear mini chamber like a SCBU incubator 😂 at California's Naval base (I believe)
Interesting reading. Thanks.
@@annabizaro-doo-dah med student here, so not quite a Dr, but am rescue diver and emergency oxygen certified. At this time there is no certified way to perform any sort of chest compressions whilst in the water. chest compressions can only be currently performed on a solid surface (land, boat, etc).
Your focus with rescue breaths is to try 1. get rid of water in lungs, 2. potentially restart spontaneous breathing by getting oxygen into the lungs, and 3. GET TO A SAFE PLACE
when moving with a non-breathing patient, your aim should be to perform rescue breaths whilst pulling/pushing the patient to a safe area to perform a full primary assessment and BLS if needed. If there's no safe place anywhere (e.g. stranded in the middle of the ocean waiting on a boat) there's not much you can do apart from rescue breaths and keeping the airway open.
please feel free to correct if i'm wrong on any of this, but this is what i was taught when doing my certification at the time.
I’m shocked it took me this long to discover this channel, diving terrifies me and I’m glad I can live vicariously through you guys haha
Welcome aboard!
You and me both
same same
Same. I found this channel by accident. Now I’m hooked!
You need to face your fears, its a really enjoyable sport.
my fifth dive after getting certified my dive buddy kicked my regulator out of my mouth and my mask off. I didn't panic, I did exactly as my training taught me to do and I recovered and had a great dive. Training over and over is the only way to get proficient and stay calm in unexpected scenarios.
Awesome!
Wow was that hard not to panic? Because I would swing right up on panic mode.
@@JuanGarcia-or2ty The key word: training. As the OP said, you practice these things over and over so that the sensation doesn’t surprise you. It’s something you’ve done many times before, so it’s easy to do again.
This also applies to white water kayaking and finding yourself in a gun fight.
Man I got a story lol. My first deep dive. I only had a few dives under my belt at this time. A wreck at about 110 feet. We made a stop about 30 feet down. The current was so powerful underwater we had to hold on to a line they set up for us to descend me being me. I was messing around while we waited on the line and let go of the line. I swam in place kicking at a pretty good clip remaining stationary. Was pretty funny. I was totally comfortable. Little did I realize I was setting myself up for what could have been a serious problem for more panicky people. When I got to the bottom about 110 feet my oxygen demand was outpacing the regulator because of my stunt earlier. I started blacking out a little bit so I kneeled down on the sea floor and closed my eyes. Sat still for about a good 30 seconds. My instructor was giving me signals like dude are you good. I just told him to wait. About a minute later I was 100. But man for a second there it could have been bad. You can’t just swim to the surface at this depth. Lesson I lived to learn. Always pace yourself. Slow is fast
A lot of people were on top of their game that day.
That's all we can hope, is when we're having our worst day, the people around us are having their best one.
Very true!
Absolutely!
Hope isn’t a strategy
what are the chances you have an accident like this, come up, and there are 3 rescue divers already in gear in the water
Amazing indeed.
And a zodiac speedboat that happens to come along
These days the odds are actually pretty good I myself am a master diver and have recently begun tech diver training and with quality dive schools being so much more easily accessible and the cost of training coming down to such affordable prices there are a lot more rescue divers, masters divers and dive masters out and about all over the country today then there were 20 or 30 years ago and more divers are pursuing advanced diver and medical training and certification courses now then ever before.
So to once again answer your question I think the odds of having highly trained and skilled divers ready to jump into action should an emergency arise is actually fairly high today and that's a good thing that makes our sport safer for everyone all around.
The best way to handle an emergency situation is to train to avoid ever getting into an emergency situation in the first place.
👌
For this lucky guy 100%
Again thanks for your channel, I’m learning so much and agree with everything
After teaching diving for 17 years I live by my philosophy: the day we think we know everything is the day we should quit the job, that’s my belief, complacency, becomes triggers, becomes an accident and with diving it’s unforgiving
Wow... Im not a diver, but i went through a car accident that left me in a coma for a couple months when i was 25, im 41 now. Im grateful and amazed at people that risk themselves to save others, including me. I dont usually get emotional watching stuff like this, but crap, im tearing up rn. What an amazing story.
Thank you for learning and teaching how to save others. No matter the context, thats the class of unsung heros in our world. Much love to you 2 gentlemen. 🙏
I been in a car accident too man when i was 22 im 25 now went head on into 2 pretty massive trees at 70 mph i had no seatbelt on and the driver didn't either i ended up in the floorboard and im 250 lbs i braced as hard as i could with my right arm and legs before it happened i think thats the only reason i didn't go through the windshield on that day i was quite lucky tho only broke a rib was able to walk away from the crash the driver passed out at the wheel he had no injuries
@@olesmokey394 Im glad you managed to escape with as little damage as you did. Id call that a low cost lesson. I was an egghead at your age and always required high cost lessons to learn. Of course i dont know the circumstances, and what happened with you, but if nothing else learning the incredible power of speed and metal combined is an important one. I dont remember the crash or a few days before, though i had the couple who called 911, and the fire chief in charge of the rescue tell me what happened. I still have issues from the brain injury and multiple internals i suffered 15+ years later, but the fact im even able to "have issues", is a testament to the couple and the first responders, if the couple wasnt home (i was in a very rural area with 1 house in 3 miles either way, and happened to crash right across from it) or the training of the first responders wasnt what it was, my only issue would be someone cleaning debre from my gravestone... Well wishes in life Bro. Remember the saying "a Smart man learns from his mistakes, while a wise man learns from the mistakes of others" or something to that effect. I did niether in my 20's. I just liked repeating them over and over i guess. Dont be me. It makes for a tough time later on. 🙏
Agree with everything you said and I hope you are ok! Nurses and doctors are angels on earth
@@wood8715 " Nurses and doctors are angels on earth" - couldn't have put this any better myself. They have my utmost admiration, I don't know how they can go through all of the training and then continually deal with the stress and pressure day in and day out.
I am just recently rescue certified in PADI, I find these reaction videos really helpful and it definitely solidifies what we were taught! Especially the non-essential details that apply to specific scenarios that may not have been brought up in rescue class. For example Woody's explanation of why to not tilt the head for rescue breaths is really useful to know. And I hadn't thought much about being swung into a rescue without knowing the victims residual nitrogen and therefor heightened embolism risk, not that it changes the rescue procedures anyway. Thanks guys! These reaction vids could help someone's chances of a successful rescue one day.
Also tilting the head shuts down the airway .
Charlotte i need you to rescue me!!!!
That guy had some angels watching him that day. Shaking their heads at him no doubt.
Not a rescue diver, but I was a lifeguard back in the day, and drowning people absolutely will grab hold of you if you get within reach in front of them. One of the first things we learned was to approach from behind if you can. If you can't, then come at them down at foot level, grab them by the knees, and spin them so they face away. Then you can get them in a rescue hold (or, in this case, reach around and unbuckle their weight belt).
Yep exactly. Good post.
I was a lifeguard too. We learned adult CPR, child CPR, infant CPR, water rescue, with swimmer floating face down on top, swimmer submerged, we also learned the heimlich maneuver, etc. We went through intense training, and you did not pass unless you did everything perfectly. One instructor played the drowning diver, flailing, screaming, I dove in to rescue her, and when I got close, her flailing arms punched me in the face! I swam behind her, and did the pull behind, put my arms under her armpits, and locked my arms/hands around her neck, then with her "locked" onto me, swam on my back backwards to the side of the pool. My instructor who was the face down on top of the water, no movement rescue, was a 6 ft. 250 pound guy. I had to do the twisting your body underwater while locked onto him with my arms from behind, to get him turned around, and swam to the side of the pool on my back. We definitely learned about if you see someone floating in the water, and nobody saw what happened, we use the rescue board to strap them onto, using a vice grip to hold their head in place, because they might have broken their neck, etc. I was 16 when I learned all this, and I'm 45 now. I have remembered all of this training.
Rescue 911 was probably my favorite TV show as a kid.
same :)
With both parents volunteering with EMS it was like religion at my house.
SAME. Good ol' 90s
Same I Miss This Show
We had a similar show in the UK called 999
I never leave home without my attorney, if I dive, he dives
I’d like to add one thing if I may as an inexperienced diver. Military dive school teaches us to rescue breath while swimming. I like your debate about running for help vs. rescue breathing. It’s very difficult and you have to be in superior physical shape to rescue breath while finning, but it can be done. It hurts like hell, even when your a stud rescue swimmer, but everything we do hurts like hell. That’s just our new reality. It can be done though.
I'm only 3 mins in and already have anxiety.
Ha yes
I though i had a hair on my screen but it was your profile pic. Nice
Man scree ure avatar photo i was trying to clean it 3 times with my thumb..
@@alexs7097 haha! Sorry for my kinda trollish pp but it makes people laugh so that's why I'm keeping it.
@@josedelrincon787 cheers!
29:33 the rescuers are protected under the "good samaritan law". As long as your actions to assist someone are in good faith and reasonable you are protected from being sued, and from prosecution from events related to the rescue. Even if your attempts to rescue causes injury or death to the person being rescued. The "good samaritan law" does not apply to paid medical professionals. So if you're a doctor, nurse, paid paramedic you can definitely be sued and or prosecuted. This law was passed in 2000 not sure when this incident took place though.
It would also depend where you live.
It's in place in Australia for reference.
One clarification on medical professionals and Good Samaritan laws. They are protected by them provided that they didn’t have a pre-existing duty to care for the patient. Meaning it wasn’t someone already in their care, they weren’t taking call for that patient’s primary provider, and they didn’t have some other contractual obligation to provide care. A health care professional has as much protection under Good Samaritan laws as anyone else if they happen upon an accident, witness a cardiac arrest while out to dinner, or if they are volunteering as a sports coach. Another thing to remember for everyone is that Good Samaritan laws only protect you if you stay until qualified professionals arrive to provide assistance.
that law only applies in U.S.A not globally. just saying
@@IsaRican810 Legally speaking, "Those who put themselves forward to attend emergency situations in a medical capacity accept a _duty to act. Breach of duty to act_ occurs when a professional fails to perform to an appropriate standard." This can be the basis for claim of medical negligence.
The paramedics usually ask for the dive buddy, to get a full dive profile! It's needed in case of chamber rides and also for basic health questions.
As a former paramedic I can say you correct. It's also to make an assessment of the patient to get info if he has any health problems, on any medication and to prepare the best treatment possible.
@@Musiknird I would guess the cause of the incident would be a big deal - did he have a seizure, allergies, maybe drugs/alcohol, ect.
@@redmudpei Exactly. The more you can dismiss/exclude not being relevant and find the accurate symptoms, the easier it will be for the paramedics, nurses and doctors to provide the right treatment and increase the survival rate. That could be really hard sometimes as a paramedic to sift the information from friends, relatives, colleagues etc and find the relevant pieces that match with the symptoms can be tough. Though when accurate information is provided it's gold!
Also, the buddy might have a bend and need treatment. So you want to assess the buddy as well.
I remember watching this show (and this episode I think) as a kid. My mom must have too because when I told her I wanted to learn to dive at around 12 years old or so, it was a complete no-go. I got certified when I was around 22 years old and she freaked out on me!!! HAHAHA
I haven’t been diving in a few years, but this channel has inspired me to get back in the water. Going to do my next dive in a couple weeks! Then on to rebreather/cave training!🤣
Thanks for costing me my next $10k in training and equipment…jerks!🤣
I love this channel. Wow. I came here for the Mr. Ballen reactions and stayed for the quality content. I am absolutely terrified of drowning--it is the single scariest thing I can possibly imagine--and as such, the idea of diving in any form has always been SO scary to me, but watching your videos is making it much less frightening and I am learning so much! Thank you!
Feels like 95% of the analysis on this channel could boil down to "Dive within your training." As for his air, I wonder if doing this without experience made him nervous and that made him burn through it fast? Just a hypothesis.
Good point.
Nerves + being deep = 3x nervous breathing rate...so scary to think about
I would totally pay for a joint class with you guys. That would be amazing. Even though I am terrified of scuba I think I would be able to handle it because you are so knowledgeable.
Awe thank you...several people have reached out asking whether we would be open to teach them how to dive and the answer is Yes! We are not full time instructors but we do teach from time to time, Woody teaches way more than me, I only teach about once a quarter, but we are available for classes. I hope you get certified! Whether it's with one of us or not, it doesn't matter, we want everyone to experience the beauty of the underwater world.
Omg yes! Gus & Woody? Sign me up please! ( should you two ever decide to do this lol) seriously you guys are the BEST! Much love from a Red Cross national disaster relief volunteer! ❤️
And I would pay for a joint and take it to class taught by Woody and Gus!!
@@DIVETALK I have been diving several times,"uncertified", I bought all my gear used from friends. Basically just to see if I would like it. I have never gone below 30 feet but absolutely love it, the feeling of quiet solitude and swimming with the fish is amazing. I have not gone for a few years but now my sister and her daughter are getting into it and getting certified. I'm definitely looking forward to getting back into it and getting my certification as well. New sub here, thanks for the great videos, everyone should experience this!
I was taught to dive back in the late 70's. We had to learn how to buddy breath or you didn't pass. To bad that it's not taught now.
Yeah. I always recommend people to practice that skill with their buddy during their Safety stop, make it a 4 or 5 minute stop, do the first 3 minutes and then practice for a minute or two with your buddy, you don’t have to do it all the time but even once every 6 months helps.
It must be dependant on the instructor and diving agency, because when I got certified around 2007 we were taught buddy breathing.
I got my Open Water with Padi last year. We still had to learn how to buddy breath! But we also did 10 dives during the course and looked at some extra stuff anyways so maybe that was just my instructors being extra cautious...
SDI still teaches buddy breathing as a required part of training, not sure about other agencies though
It is taught! I was taught that in my PADI open waterclass just 3 years ago… and yes I know, PADI isn’t that good on the technical side of diving, but I feel like for their Basic OW class it’s pretty decent and thorough
I dont dive and am lowkey scared of like under water but this channel rocks!
Thank you!
I was the same but did my first dive last week! Loved it! It’s a whole new world underneath us my friend!
@@PX_Kev you are making me wanna dive bro 😂 if I get eaten by a sea monster im blaming you tho
@@paulzuel3417 🤣 brother that’s the reason I’ve been petrified for so long is because of jaws once you’re in your mind doesn’t play tricks on you as you focus on the beauty of it all! But like Woody and Gus always say “know your limits!” Do what’s comfortable for you! 😉
I can say with almost 100% certainty there’s no way they wouldn’t be in dry suits. I live right on the Puget Sound. I’ll see divers go out on a near daily basis. Not once in 25 years have I ever seen someone attempt a wet suit dive in these waters, it’s just far too cold year round.
Oh they were for sure in dry suits. You are right on that.
As a scuba diver who frequently dives in the Puget Sound, I often see divers in wet suits. Yes, of course there are more people in drysuits, but it's not actually that uncommon (especially if you frequent areas where there are a lot of certification classes to see a number of people diving in wetsuits). A drysuit is exponentially more difficult to learn to dive in than a wet suit, and honestly it's not that cold if you are in a farmer john (especially in the summer, when the water is around 54 degrees).
You gave me a chalange, if i can ima try and dive with no dry sute over there😂
@@garlandremingtoniii1338 omg i wish thats how it was here we get 110 in the summer for weeks
@@tpthaler i got hypothermea in 60 digree watter when it was raining and thundering on the beach, but i was swimming for a cupple hours
You know it’s going to be an awesome Memorial Day when Gus and Woody show up in your feed!!
Bahahahaha thanks!
I recently did my open water in Puget Sound, and we never bothered with regulator recovery. We were taught with long hose/necklace and were trained to donate primary and then go for our secondary, which is on a necklace and always easy to find. Having the regulator grabbed out of our mouth was given as one of the reasons for this configuration
As a former naval special operator I can assure you it is possible to utilize a regulator that's free flowing. We had to practice it multitudes of times. Another thing when I learned how to buddy breathe we didn't have octopus regulators. That gives you an idea of how old I am. We had to use the primary for everything.
In starting to wonder if I need to update my training because I learnt to dive 20 years ago, and we did free flowing regulator breathing (in case it got stuck OR the mouthpiece got ripped off) and we also did two different buddy breathing drills, and now apparently these are super out dated??
I have to say, that's some good acting. Some of the acting in these reanactment shows is so intense and good... why aren't these actors in the movies lol. I guess some do make it there.
I don't dive but I've watched almost all of your videos now in a binge haha. I know so much about diving now you guys are really amazing at your jobs for real! Fav vid was the Fanghorn Video really cool story
Thanks for the comment and the support!
As a newer open water diver, this channel is a godsend. I still get butterflies before I go down and going through these stories bit by bit helps me stay calm.
Media makes it seem like every dive is flirting with death, but in actuality these famous accidents are more often than not a series of reckless choices combined with bad luck. As long as you are properly trained and practiced, with a group, and follow the “rules” - open water SCUBA is no more dangerous then going skiing on a black diamond run. Even if you do everything wrong, if you’re with the right people you can still persevere in a worst case scenario like this. God bless those rescue divers 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
So glad you are here Lauren!
I drown when I was about 4 years old. My uncle saved me by rescue breathing. I think it works sometimes when the victim has just drown and the breaths are given in those first couple of minutes
Man, I gotta wonder if PADI Rescue Diver Exercise 10 is actually based on this. Because its identical and literally the last scenario you do before certification. I mean everything we learned in Rescue is touched on in this one….another gold one. Never thought I’d see Woody so quiet :D
Ha yeah I thought the video explained it well so I didn’t have to talk as much (this time only), lol
@@DIVETALKI still don’t get why he run out of air first… Maybe an air leak? In the video there are bubbles coming from Greg’s tank.
With all due respect to Greg and of course to Gus and Woody,
"She didn't kill him," according to Woody. "I can't blame Rita for what happened to us," according to Greg. However, I truly and genuinely don't understand how this could be anyone else's fault. It was no accident, it was exclusively her choice to put an unknowledgeable diver into an extremely dangerous situation they were NOT prepared for. Yes, he did want to go, but he was also a child. This reminds me a lot of that Eagle's Nest tragedy where that father took his NOT-EVEN-DIVE-CERTIFIED SON with him into the cave on Christmas, and they both terribly lost their lives. Except in this instance Greg got miraculously lucky.
This incident is 100% Rita's fault in my opinion. She wasn't certified to teach him anything to make him ready and able to safely dive 75 feet for his FIRST dive. Rita said she taught him what she remembered, which probably wasn't even half of her class. No wonder Rita didn't know what to tell Greg's parents if he died, what would you tell the parents of somebody that died because of your negligence? Just so utterly irresponsible it's physically painful. People like Rita who don't respect nature enough to KNOW how important proper training is need a REAL good education. Because that's what it comes down to in my opinion, either arrogance or a massive disrespect for nature in thinking that anyone can handle such an inhospitable environment WITHOUT proper training and equipment.
Thanks for the video as always, it was awesome! It's important that stories like this get told so that people, from laymen to professional divers, recognize that without proper training and equipment for a dive, they shouldn't be doing that dive. You guys are literally saving lives by educating people. Massive kudos. ♥
you can still breath from a second stage without the silicon mouth piece without any problem
Yes, but to a panicked diver that's an additional problem they're often not ready to deal with.
Non-diver here, but as a nurse I love hearing about how diving affects the body and how you counteract those affects. Cool video, thanks!
Enjoyed this video! I love watching old episodes of rescue 911, glad that they generally depict the correct danger level of the activities involved.
Thanks for the comment and the support.
Tried purging on my first dive and forgot to exhale, regulator flew out and mouth filled with water, no panic when I realized my mistake and tried again after finding my reg.
The paramedics have already figured out he's drowned.
They need VERY limited history from her. Paramedics don't care for amateur diagnoses. However, he's not carrying a wallet in his dive suit so they need her to identify him and let them know if he has any history like allergies to medications, etc.
My SSI advanced instructor actually taught us how to breathe on a free flow in the case of a blowout. It’s not fun, but possible
I think I did that in my open water course - is that weird?
@@alexbitzan8747 yea breathe from free flow is covered in PADI OW
Why is everyone talking about freeflow? They were talking about mouthpiece coming off. Would that result in freeflow?
Think I'm gonna try it next time I'm in the pool. I need to change my necklace mouthpiece anyways 🕵️
New divers can blow through their air by filling and dumping their bc over and over, and by breathing rapidly (excited).
MISTAKE: The experienced diver should have checked the new diver's air at least once or twice during the dive. And she should have motioned to him to check his air (as a new diver), teaching him to make a habit of checking, especially near the end of the dive.
Guys just don't dive in the puget sound.
The city of seattle dumps damn near a billion gallons of raw sewage out their combined away system every year eeeeww!
Man, this was almost so tragic. I have to say this guy that almost died is very brave to still want to get his diving certification after and event that would discourage a lot of people from ever wanting to dive again.
Yeah
Some will use a near fatality as inspiration and channel it to conquer the world. I'm thinking of a then young women who got on the back of a motorbike of a new boyfriend with a borrowed helmet for her first ride. He stacked the bike and she slide hundreds of feet on the road. Anyway cutting it short, she bought her own motorcycle, got her licence, became a MSF instructor. She is now doing the speaker tours encouraging people to find with proper protective gear.
@@gorillaau yeah I hear you. I'm exactly that kind of person... whatever causes me fear, I go do it until I conquer that fear. Funny you should mention motorcycles. I've had so many friends who have up motorcycles right after their first accident and never rode again. I've be hit by 3 people riding my motorcycle and they think I'm crazy for still wanting to ride, but to enjoy life you can't live in fear of doing the things you like or love... you do just have to be careful and like this channel loves to point out... you have to respect the risks, be trained, wear your protective equipment and preferably have friends with you in case something goes wrong they can help you or you can help them.
@@jamal69jackson77 I had a spill in Vietnam, my fingers just instinctively twitched my front brake despite knowing that was absolutely something I should never do. Ended up sliding for what felt like forever, ground the skin off my left leg and arm and missed going off a 30ft drop by inches. I'm a very risk adverse person at the best of times, and have a lot of anxiety. It was an awful experience, but as soon as I realised that I wasn't dead and I had all my limbs, I knew I absolutely had to get back on the horse as soon as I'd healed up, otherwise I'd never do it again. It made me a much more careful rider, and a stickler for wearing the correct equipment and safety checking my bikes. I'm glad I did, as although it's a risky hobby there's something about riding that I find deeply meaningful and gives me a kind of happiness I can't get elsewhere.
@@CaptainSlowbeard Yeah, one has to do what one loves in spite of the inherent risks. We should always try to learn from our mistakes and other's mistakes and try to be as safe as possible. One of my riskiest hobbies used to be riding and racing motorcycles. I've had so many accidents being hit or almost hit by other drivers as well as some pretty harrowing accidents that were my fault, but I always got back to riding... something a lot of people couldn't understand. I don't ride anymore simply because my beautiful motorcycle sat for too long during my militarily deployments and I guess the engine gummed up, the tires rotted, the chain rusted and the electronics went to shit. I still have my motorcycle but it would cost me so much to fix it now and I have other priorities. One day I will do my best to get it running again.
I did my PADI training (green to open water certified) in 1991 over 3-4 gruelling days. It was a great experience and only happened because my girlfriends brother was an instructor and offered to teach me whilst visiting her family for the first time in Denmark. Lots of swimming pool time in a wetsuit and finishing off the coast of Denmark in a dry suit in 5-10 degree C water. He made me practice swapping (sharing) a regulator a lot. I even experienced holding a purged regulator below my face and breathing via rising bubbles (which is a weird experience and does work!). Plus many ‘throw and recover your regulator’ drills. It was a really great experience, and I felt totally safe when in the sea. But although we both started with a full tank, I was consuming mine around 33% faster than a well trained, experienced diver. It’s a shame as it cut the dive short, but was another worthwhile lesson. Calm breaths! On the topic of rescue breaths, I was trained in the UK by St John’s Ambulance. They said the likelihood of CPR bringing someone back alone is super rare, but getting air into a patient via mouth-to-mouth is vital. That said, I was also taught if you are alone, get help first, as CPR is very tiring after a few minutes.
"... and then grabbed my regulator out of my mouth..."
And that's the reason why I, a greenhorn diver with about just 100 dives logged, changed 10 dives ago to a regs configuration with a long hose as primary and the second regulator hunging below my chin with a bungee... and learned and practiced how to use it properly. No more yellow octopuses, be sure of that.
I am an open water diver leery of cave diving because it is extremely dangerous. However, after reading the non-diver comments on the original video I recognize the fear born of ignorance exactly parallels my own. Both open water diving and cave diving have an inherent degree of danger but with proper training and the right equipment the risks are manageable. It’s only extremely dangerous when people exceed the limits of their skill, training, and equipment.
Hey guys, you have any book recommendations? Looking to read up on the biographies of people who are considered pioneers in the diving field.
Bump! Same here please!
This is an amazing book!
www.google.com/amp/s/www.divenewswire.com/if-they-made-mistakes-you-will-too-new-book-details-close-calls/amp/
If you want to look into the true beginning of recreational diving Jacques-Yves Cousteau is your guy! He has several books and films and is the forbear of recreational diving and the aqualung.
“Under Pressure: Diving Deeper with Human Factors”
Not pioneering but a sound educational read about diving incidents.
Anything by Sheck Exley, especially The Taming of the Slough; Jill Heinrich “Into the Planet”,; Robert Kurson’s “Shadow Divers”
Wow, it's crazy what panic can do underwater
Based on the script, he wasn't certified. The woman "We'd gone out the weekend before and done a lot of practice. We went through everything I could think of that I'd gone through with my certification." The man: "Greg had such a great dive his first dive, we weren't that concerned about his certification."
I know, crazy.
If I were to take a diving class, I'd want it to be with you guys! But I think I'd panic too easily underwater, so it's probably never gonna happen 😂 I'll keep watching from the safety of land Haha
At least you acknowledged your issue with possible diving. ❤ you can work on that by practicing with a professional ok? Don't give up on a dream. Life's too short.
I'm exactly the same. It just seems so unnatural to breathe under water. I dont think I could make myself do it. I'd have a panic attack for sure.
@@dianebays5484 Same, I'll snorkel and I love that, because it keeps me close to the surface and real, untapped air.
I never dove hell i cant even swim but diving has always fascinated me. Never will dive sadly as its just not in that cards for me lol
She’s 100% correct, she should have never taken him down, he was completely untrained, and it definitely didn’t have the skills/knowledge to take an unskilled diver down. Especially as she not only took him to deep, but she never checked his air until it was too late.
He was an uncertified diver who was put into a dry suit and taken down to 75 feet but a barely certified diver with zero rescue skills…I was blown away with the outcome!
@@DIVETALK yeah, thankfully he survived, but had he died, I suspect she might have been charged with negligence for his death. I mean on one hand that seems a bit extreme, but it’s clearly negligence. When I was first certified in, oh gee around 1980, they made not taking uncertified divers down, or even lending them your gear. In fact back then, at least in my State, you needed to show your certification to even get a SCUBA tank filled.
Even in a class 75 feet is deep! Problems get worse faster down deep and this guy wasn't ready! I remember in my first dive AFTER training I was proud just to get my trim +- a few feet of bouncing at first. The guy probably didn't know what 30 ft/min feels like and he's at 75 feet. That's like landing in a stiff crosswind on your first flight.
On another note I'm so in for a joint class! May be we can get Kiss rebreathers to do something and they can use it to market what the training is like with their products.
That would be really fun. Good info also, thanks.
I'm surprised she didn't try to blow air into his bc manually
I have had to breath off a reg after loosing a mouthpiece. It was about 5 minutes into an hour of deco as well. It sucked having the bare metal on my teeth, but it worked.
Yep
Don't twist the casualty's head, rotate the diver's torso and head towards you whilst maintaining the airway. This also saves the energy you might waste in "climbing" the casualty i.e. lifting your head and shoulders out of the water to reach the casualty's mouth with yours. Also, by not "climbing" you avoid forcing the casualty's face underwater with your weight.
Dr Simon Mitchell at al published a paper on rescue breaths for diving drowning casualties and the conclusion is that it is definitely worthwhile to concentrate on those breaths immediately on surfacing rather than attempting to tow a casualty somewhere.
So glad I fell upon this channel, been binge watching all day. Very entertaining, you guys are so knowledgeable with lots of common sense info. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for watching!
I actually had to spend 16 hours in a hyperbaric chamber (2 x 8 hour sessions) in London and the chamber was large enough to contain me, a nurse, and about 4 members of the London Irish Rugby team. To be fair, it’s essentially THE chamber for London, or was at the time.
Funnily enough, it was for the exact reason this recreation video made me so nervous. I got bent from a rapid ascent from 18 meters (I know) whilst I was playing the drowning victim…IN A RESCUE COURSE. I’m sure they did everything very safely and had planned carefully for the filming, but I can really clearly remember the rescue students dumping my weights and even ankle weights, slamming air in to my bc and sending me rocketing to the top feet first during what should have been a controlled scenario.
I didn't realise I wasn't subbed, rectified. Weirdly obsessed with these videos even tho I don't dive 🤣
Thanks for the support!
There is this Swedish case where a young boy were drowning and he was under for 2 hours and 43 minutes. The rescue team did CPR for 5 hours and also had an AED. He was airlifted to the hospital and put into medical induced coma but most believed he was gone. But after almost 6 hours his heart started to beat again and that's nothing but a damn miracle! The cold water slowed down his heart rate and saturation and the brain was preserved by the cold so he survived. He has some minor brain damage but he's up and running and can almost do anything he could before the accident. Pretty amazing!
Amazing! Wow!
There has been more than a few of those cases of extended periods without oxygen in icy cold water and coming out better than one would expect.
@@gorillaau definitely more cases around the world. Now I can't remember the medical term for it but still it's damn amazing to get the heart to start beating again after 6 hours and come out of it with minor brain damages.
@@Musiknird Diving reflex, or Diving response, or more formally Mammalian Diving Response? In humans it's triggered when the nostrils fill with water. Obviously icy water helps to slow metabolism.
Disclaimer: I'm not medically trained but the above is based on some Google searching.
@@gorillaau no that's not it. Damn it! I'm a former paramedic and right now it feels like I got a stroke because I can't remember the term. I need to go dig up my old literature and search for it. I know it ends with shock and it's a quadruple sound in front of it like _ _ _ _ shock. God damit this is frustrating! I need to go find the literature. I'll be back! It's a super interesting state of the body and very few are lucky to go into this state, that's why you never should stop with CPR until you can do a correct analysis with ECG, EEG and other equipment or a doctor calls it. Or that we in the ambulance can see it with our knowledge and equipment that there is no hope left or the patient is too injured we have the right to call it as well.
The answer to when to give breathes, your rule is generally good but...
If you are going to take more than 5 minutes without assisted breathing to get them aboard /to shore, it's best to give them 5 good breaths, than a minutes of hard swimming, 5 good breaths, a minute of swimming.
Never leave them without assisted breathing for more than 10 minutes. It's better to have a slightly longer transit time than no oxygen throughout.
Also, keep in mind during rescue... Check the ABCs! If they aren't breathing with a pulse, just give assisted breathing.
If they have no pulse or breathing, start full cpr. Have 1 guy use their body as a bed for patient & the other guy does compressions & breathing.
Also, before you start that initial CPR /assisted breathing, you need to do a few quick abdominal thrusts, to clear their airways, before attempting to force air into their lungs.
You do not want to force any water in their airways, into their lungs by doing assisted breathing before abdominal thrusts! Finish your thrusts with 1 strong smack against their upper back to force any liquid out.
Then start assisted breathing, if they are not breathing independently. Also to really help your chances of success, make sure you deeply inhaled, then deeply exhaled completely, than quickly inhale a full breath, then forcefully exhale into their lungs watching the chest move in turn.
You must avoid giving a breath filled with your exhaust gases. That's why, you do breathing steps, & then quickly inhale & immediately force the air into patient. You want the air going into the patient to be in your body for the least length of time.
The longer its in your lungs the less oxygen it has & the more co2 it has. They are already really out of equilibrium, so are less able to absorb oxygen & expel co2, so used air becomes less able to adequately meet their immediate needs.
Another much lesser reason to pass primary first. You know right know 1000000% your primary is fully functional, you have an extra breath, hand him your primary, and then use your secondary. If by any chance there's an issue you can true buddy breathe and passback but supppper risky
When I did my first 30 meter wreck dive in Hurghada, I saw a guy running out of air when we were at 5 meters for decompression. One of the instructors shared the bottle.
Why would someone watch back-to-back videos and not subscribe???
This world is crazy 😜
I did my rescue course two months ago. In regards to rescue breaths: as Woody said there is debate on what's best, but my teaching was to try breaths only if it's flat water (i.e. a lake, not open water), and only for 20-30 seconds before trying to get to land. Potentially giving more breaths every minute. But really, in my opinion, even the slightest amount of waves makes it near impossible, and any water that goes in is worse for them. Just get them to land. I disagree with woody to try for 5-7mins, that could be the difference between them dying if you wait 5mins before getting them to land where you can render proper assistance. Obviously it all depends on the circumstances, if you're on a boat a long way from shore potentially there isn't any chance of help coming anyway.
The reason the paramedics want to speak to the buddy is they need details of what happened: how deep they were diving, for how long, what caused the incident (was it a venomous animal?) etc. That will tell the paramedics what they need to do, how soon they need to get them to a hyperbaric chamber, whether they need to treat a wound or something else that caused the incident etc.
While I wouldn't think to sue anyone, I definitely think they shouldn't have considered taking someone who has never dived before underwater off a boat dive with a dry suit on. That's not so much a freak accident as it is an accident waiting to happen. So many things can go wrong.
Great content as always btw guys.
@@moocowp4970 Splendid profile pic btw
I never teach doing rescue breaths after 30 seconds. If you have failed to clear the airway by then, you are wasting time trying to give rescue breaths inwater. Better get them out of the water ASAP to start chest compressions. Every minute you waste giving RB, you lose 10% survival chance if there is no pulse or heartbeat.
Rescue divers should carry a collapsible pocket mask, this will prevent water ingress in nearly all conditions. I have my own with me
While there were three main factors here, ie he was overweighted, inexperienced and he ran out of air these are highly correlated factors. If you are overweighted as much as him then you will be finding it hard to swim and have to kick hard to keep from going to the bottom. This extra effort can burn quickly through the air. His inexperience also means he would be breathing more heavily. Really need to check an novice’s air regularly during a dive and get them to show you the dial. If air is going down fast it’s an indicator to get out of there! To be fair though this again should explain why they shouldn’t have been diving that day, or certainly not as deep, and he needed lessons first from certified instructors.
You can breath from a free flowing regulator, I did it as part of my PADI instructor course. The trick is to tip your head to the side to give excess air an easy escape route and to use your tongue as a splash guard.
Yep very true.
I had same excercise during my OWD course, which was one of funnier ones.
In my PADI class some 35 yrs ago we did not learn to breathe from a free flowing regulator but we were taught to "sip" from a cut air hose free flowing.
Don't they have little emergency air tanks or is that just in the movies. If those little mini tanks are real I'd have about 7 of them strapped to my belt. Also If God wanted us swimming around like fish he would have gave us gills.
Damn this is old, the old show 911 brought back memories lol
It does for sure .
This video made me cry. This is an extremely terrifying experience for these people and it really resonates with me.
Ive watched so many of these and i still cant grasp how ANYONE could get into a position where they run out of air. When you drive your car, you dont constantly run out of gas all the time because its common sense to fill your tank when getting low. So how does someone underwater not pay attention to the ONE MOST IMPORTANT thing they need to be aware of? Their air! Its not like you can forget that your breathing out of a hose shoved in your pie hole. Its not a natural feeling at all. Your WHOLE life is spent breathing in the air around you so when you go underwater and know the only thing keeping you alive is the amount of air in your tank, how can you not remember to pay attention to it? Id be looking at it every 5 seconds. Drowning is like a primal fear. We NEED to breathe. Im just lost trying to wrap my head around how someone can not have their main focus be their lifeline. Any thoughts?
It would have to be under the threat of death to get me into gear and go diving. Absolutely terrified of it.
Sorry to hear that
@@DIVETALK I commend you guys for having the guts and I love watching your videos. I live vicariously through you both...lol.
@@20TonChop Me too 🙈
But it's an excellent channel and I enjoy watching it. I have already learned a lot and their work is important and correct.
In Washington State nobody would have been sued if he died except for the lady that took him down. We have both Good Samaritan laws and Duty to Rescue laws. The other drivers and the people on the boat would have been in legal trouble if they didn't try to save him.
I think it depends entirely on how effective you can be with rescue breaths. How choppy the water is etc.
Agree!
I just wanna say one thing about the decompression sickeness. Im not sure if I misunderstood what you said about it or not, but there is no way that an air bubble that has formed during the decompression sickeness would be able to escape via the airways. Putting the head back in this case opens up the airways and makes it easier to breath or deliver air to the victim, but the bubbles that have formed are in the artieries and veins. That's why a lot of people have neurological problems during the decompression sickness since the bubble obstructed the blood flow in the brain as an air embolism. Decopression chamber in this case makes it easier for the air to dissolve in the blood, eliminating the embolism. But clearing the airways will not help with that.
I think the rescue breathes worked because they got to him so soon. Once the heart stops beating tho, i don't think they will be much use. Best to get them to show and do CPR. Love the quick response from those bystanders and divers.
And she shot up to the surface from 75 ft that fast and didn't get bent??? The rule of thumb was taught to me to follow the smallest bubble, which is usually 1 foot per second.
First love you guys my dad was a diver mixed gas back in early 70's he taught me a lil kid to use his tank w/ air in our inground pool and basics weird how it comes back after so many years watching your videos .. The water temp plays a big part in drowning the colder the water the longer you can go wo o2 because your organs slow down
That would certainly apply when using a wetsuit, but not necessarily a dry suit unless it actually floods with water. Surviving such a scenario is one thing, being without oxygen to the brain is another. i.e. depending upon length of time, such a survivor could have severe brain damage (it's happened).
Gee, Lady, maybe he should have had some real instruction and practice. She said she “tried to cover everything “ she learned when she was certified. Why did he run out of gas?
I know that the length of time without oxygen becomes an issue pretty quickly for reasons of the liklihood of brain damage. I wonder if that had anything to do with why they needed her right away. Maybe their treatment or the amount of time they were supposed to spend in resuscitation change depending on amswers like that. Or maybe they needed to know depth and times on bottom to know whether to give him pure o2 or not. I am curious.
I'm not a diver but couldnt the lady dropped her bottles and gear to the diver at the bottom when she was almost to the surface? Just asking guys ...Im sure there is always a chance that the diver at the bottom can see the gear dropping down?
I’ve been intrigued by diving for awhile but y’all make me actually want to try it. I jump out of planes but diving seems intimidating haha
I'm all the way on the other side Hayden! The water is a lot less intimidating!
Sky diving is way more terrifying
@@jamesringler987 I agree, I've done both and I never had the intense fear scuba diving that I had all the way from getting off the ground to jumping out of the plane. Funny how it's totally fine the minute you leave the aircraft though... man, I think I'm due another skydive now I think about it.
Once you're out the plane, there's nothing you can do but get down in one piece, for that to happen your parachute has to work, the alternative is to enjoy your crash.
Instructors need to teach balanced rig, Steel tanks vs aluminium tanks characteristics and emergency procedures need to be done, over and over again.
75ft down for a uncertified diver is suicidal. Even a new diver, this depth is risky.
I dove the sound regularly and finding the diver was a miracle. It is a beautiful place to explore but it does have risks. I have been diving in Washington, Germany, Spain and Jamaica. I was told that because I learned in Washington, I could dive anywhere. There is truth to that but a good diver is always learning.
Hey guys. Paramedic here. My main comment about your rescue training: it would be beneficial to team up with a physician who would be comfortable with prescribing BVMs (bag valve masks) along with the bag devices to attach them to with which you can deliver positive pressure ventilation.
I would suggest the ones with an O2 reservoir, for 2 reasons: 1. Divers can hook their emergency O2 up to it. 2. Paramedics can continue to use it and hook it up to their O2.
People would then need training on how to use the device. One of the most important things to know is to squeeze just until you see you chest rise so that you don't overinflate and and pop a lung, which would cause a tension pneumothorax.
In a tension pneumo, air enters the lung during inhalation. When the person exhales, air flows out of both the airway passages AND the hole you caused by overinflating.
The air flowing out of the hole goes into the space between the outside of the lung and the inside of the chest wall. Because there isn't a hole in the chest wall caused by something like a puncture wound, there is nowhere for the air to escape. With every breath, air accumulates and pushes against the lung, making it hard to breathe.
In time, enough air builds up that the lung collapses completely and can't expand due to the air pressure against it.
Eventually, the person dies.
Sorry for the length. I like to educate people on the WHYs of what they're learning. When people don't know WHY something needs to be done, they are more likely to become dismissive about the importance of doing it and over time simply stop doing it.
Teaching WHY leads to increased compliance and a greater chance of success.
Just subscribed to you guys!! I have a fear of water/drowning and watching this I feel can help me to slowly get over my fear.. so far, not so much, after watching this video but you get what I mean 😂.. you guys are awesome!! 😃
We weren't that concerned about his certification....we assumed we'd meet up...
I used to dive, enjoyed it very much, not caves just ocean and lakes about 40ft mostly. So I'm enjoying your reaction videos.
22:54 she didnt save him alone and she didnt save him perfectly but she did save him.
it took luck and a lot of help but had he not grabbed her foot, had she not given him the little air she did give him, had she not gotten the help of nearby divers; he wouldnt have made it.
Oh wow! U gotta be kidding me! Woody hasn't stopped the video 10x in the first 2 minutes to comment! Thats crazy! 🤣🤣🤣
Lol I'm just playing. I love this channel, and I feel like I learn something new in every video. Especially when Woody & Gus do these reaction videos.
Keep em coming fellas!
When someone like Edd is speaking there is no need for me to speak. Nothing I can add of value so I let him flow. :)
Woody
But I’ll be stopping 10 times per minute very soon again. Ha
@@DIVETALK its all good brother! I still love the content, and find the input to be very helpful and informative.
It is tough to feel sorry for the woman. She keeps selfishly talking about how bad it will be for her to tell a mom that her son drowned when when she took him on an advanced dive with almost no training. I'm sure that is tough, but the drowning guy has it substantially worse.
Sad though nevertheless.
I’m only 10 mins in and I’m thankful the show is called Rescue 911 because we know they made it, but sitting at the bottom of the water with no air and no way to get up. This is like stuff nightmares are made of. 😢😢
I’m not a diver but I’m hooked on the content and the hosts! Keep up the great work fellas🐲🔥👍
I've breathed out of a free flowing reg. Made sure to let most of the air just flows past.
Scuba is really very safe. Certified by a good instructor, is key. I was a divemaster for a short time, when a friend had a dive shop. To become a divemaster, or higher, being rescue certified was a requirement. Don't know if that has changed. I'm just now an advanced, since divemaster is a professional level, where you pay a membership fee, annually, to an agency (Naui, Padi, etc) which includes liability insurance. Also to stay rescue certified, requires a refresher course every 2 years. In my case, those two levels have long since lapsed.
Wow...a "text book" rescue ...cool😎
Agree
The main reason that we, as paramedics, need to speak with the dive buddy is for the obtaining of information. We need to know total down time but, most importantly, depth!!!
Please know and remember that every hospital does not have a hyperbaric chamber! It is a specialty, with specialty nursing staff and physicians in barotrauma and the different types of dive emergencies.
As a MSD, I don’t think I would ever take a non certified diver on a dive. Discover Scuba Diving classes here in the Midwest, (Chicago, IL) are generally done in the pool.
Always! It’s very important to keep it simple and shallow.
I’m doing my fist 60’ dive tomorrow for my certification. I couldn’t imagine doing this
Woohoo! Awesome! Good luck!
I’m a nurse and also u shouldn’t turn the head so that the airway is completely open so that he can get the full breath being given
This one was scary.
I'll never miss one of your videos. Love them! 😘✌️
Thanks for the comment and the support!
I’m on woody’s line of thinking about the guy not having a full tank of air when he went down because all the other divers in the party seemed to have enough air to complete their dives ok so it definitely makes ya wonder