Divers React to cave divers descended into death trap
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Cave divers go into a cave in Mexico and find themselves in a horrible situation.
What a nightmare that must've been.
Original video by @echoesstoriess: • Cave Divers Unknowingl...
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the problem with putting a huge arrow for the exit is Wile E Coyote might come along and spin the arrow to point the wrong way
😂😂😂
Or Dennis Nedry(Jurrasic Park):)
Legit
Or painted a fake exit with a train that comes out of it.
@@DrDeuteron you could just paint an airpocket so divers can breathe lol
I doubt it's just me, but in the last 3 years I noticed that Gus is looking great. People can just scroll through the thumbnails and see the progress he's made. Honestly incredible!
@@csmQueso oh dang, 100%! Good for him 😁
To right.
Gus gotta watch out for sharks, 'cause he be looking like a snack
I found the channel a while back and binged through and was blown away at the weight loss
You read my mind 😀
I saw someone suggesting that a rule for diving needs to be if you are going to be using a camera, especially caving, you need to have a buddy whose job it is to keep track of everything. No swapping camera between people or anything, just one person runs the dive and one person runs the camera.
No one feels more invincible then someone holding a camera
That is a good suggestion. Buddy's job to keep track of position, gas, depth, and ensure adherence to the plan.
@@brownmold Exactly. I mean, my partner and I do something similar when doing photography *not* underwater, because we know we both tend to lose situational awareness when using a camera. The rule is we won't both be taking photographs if there's any concern about the safety of the environment we're in. (Traffic, terrain, etc.) The person not taking photos is responsible for keeping an eye on everything for both of us.
I love how the movie Sanctuary is basically b-reel footage for content creators when they cover cave diving. 🤣
Sanctum, do you mean? Yeah! That and The Cave (the one that turns out to be a horror film with the symbiont that turns people into massive bat creatures, but which is a pretty good portrayal of cave diving.)
@@thomasjoychild4962 Sounds like an awful movie though! I can't watch that kind of crap!
I think permanent signs with arrows and distance indicators is a great idea-especially at the most popular dive sites. Also, there should be guide lines that fluoresce once light is shown on them that way it would be easier to find.
This channel never gets old
Sky diving is dangerous, base jumping, parkour, street skating, white water rafting, etc. If you are trained and practiced, it is a more calculated risk - if you are untrained, it is a greater risk and a greater temtping of a fateful situation.
Or if you get arrogant, I'd add. I'm pretty sure the guys have covered at least one dive fatality where the diver in question was trained, but got cocky and ended up dying. Not a diver, however it feels like if you don't go into that cave with at least some kind of respect or humbleness you're putting yourself at greater risk as well.
Woody your 100% correct. I (as a former life insurance guy) can attest to your comments about actuaries and the game of predicting deaths. It's all about the numbers. Thus, out of all folks out there cave diving (I am not one by the way) have a much higher risk of deaths than those going on a jog. You were being honest with your comments and that is always appreciated.
15 feet is so tragic, I mean I understand why they shared, if I go down with my budy, we booth coming home or none of us, but they nearly made it😢
19:41 so they want cave diving to be challenging so that cave divers don't underestimate their dives and potentially put themselves in danger, but by doing so they make it more complicated than it ought to be, resulting in cave divers being at higher risk to get lost, making things more dangerous. so when we say cave diving is dangerous, it is, but not just because of caves, and diving, and diving in caves, but also because of cave divers who don't want to make it "too easy"
Why cave dive?
Well...
Why sky dive?
Why snowboard?
Why rock climb?
Why bungee jump?
Why slack line?
Why race cars?
Why ride motorcycles?
Etc. etc. etc.
BECAUSE IT'S FUN!!!
I see trampolines in lots of yards. But ask any orthopedic doctor and they will tell you how badly kids get injured. High school kids get injured in sports all the time, sometimes seriously. People do these things because they enjoy it, as you say. How boring with no bicycles, skateboards, ice skates, football, the list goes on.
@@angelachouinard4581 I'm so dang boring 😖
@@angelachouinard4581 I agree! Except all the fun stuff I enjoyed growing up with have now been replaced with video games. And while I love video games too, the kids these days have no clue what they are missing!
@@angelachouinard4581 It's a shame that people are so scared to let their children try things these days. I came off my bike and ended up in hospital multiple times, but because I was like 12 years old I could take that kind of damage and learn valuable lessons from it. Taking those falls as an adult and learning those lessons late is often a very bad thing.
Why play chess?
There is an animated kids show called Octonauts on Netflix, about a team of brave mammals who live underwater and protect the creatures of the sea. They did an episode that takes place in the caves of Sac Actun, and includes cartoon cave diving.
It would be absolutely hilarious if you did a Cave Divers React of "Octonauts and the Caves of Sac Actun."
I haven't watched this channel for at least 6 months...holy mackerel, Gus is shrinking into one of the borrowers!
When it comes to insurance, they are not predicting individual people, but a group of people that share similar traits or activities so they aren't saying the most well planned professional cave dive is to risky but there are some cave divers that take on too much risk and they don't know you from them.
Problem is insurance companies charge individual rates.
Why is my car so much more expensive than mneighbors when I drive more safely?
Because they pocket the difference. DO NOT excuse the greed of insurance companies. They _could_ (and DO with health insurance) charge individual rates. They choose to bundle you in with the greatest risks... because money.
Insurance should be mandated to be non-profit.
Few questions I’ve had for a long time
1.) why are aluminum bail out tanks used why not steal?? Is it just a weight thing or is there something else?
2.) can woody teach me to speak to fish? Does he instruct a fish speaking course???
You put your life at risk when you drive your car (or board any vehicle), you put your life at risk when you board a plane... There are no guarantees
I can't even swim - I'm so scared of the water. But I love your channel - it's fascinating and I'm amazed that anyone goes cave diving - absolutely terrifying. But it's great to hear how you explain everything. Thank you both. Love your channel.
Were either your mother or father scared of the water? The fear of water is one of the most transferable fears from parent to offspring. Usually, the initial phobia is triggered by losing someone to drowning.
In my mind it makes sense for the main line to be a little thicker and one color. Then all the side tunnels or other paths will each use a different color. You would just have to study the cave you are in to know which color leads where. Kind of like how they differentiate ski slopes.
As Rick Stanton rightly pointed out, just because a sport is considered dangerous, doesn't mean you should do it dangerously
So very well said!
Most entertaining upload in a hot minute, nice one
The only thing that could get me to cave dive would be a cenote. Most of these cave diving videos are dark murky rock, I'd want to see some beautiful underwater caves.
I just can't understand why anyone would put themself at such risk getting into a car and driving to work in the morning!
For money?
As someone who skateboarded and did freestyle BMX and roller skating my whole life it's the same argument why do anything then if you're so afraid of risk then why do anything can you take the precautions to mitigate risk but that's this is living that is living life is going and exploring and being part of the world taking risks is part of what makes life worth living because if you never take a risk and never get out of your comfort zone you don't truly know what it's like to live just my opinion
The discussion around underwater signage brought to mind hiking trails. Obviously it's helpful to know where you are on a map and how to navigate the area you're in, but having simple blazes (i.e., a strip of paint on trees/rocks/etc) helps so much when you're not sure where you are at.
I'm sure someone much more familiar than I am with cave diving could develop a similar system to mark out underwater systems.
Another amazing video with great commentary and reactions
the most dangerous thing we all do everyday is get in your car and drive, and no one makes a fus about that.
well im pretty sure the risk of a cave diving accident is way higher than a car accident, also imagine if you started driving without a license and a half working car
@boad8270 I can't find an exact number of certifications, but about 10 people die every year from cave diving, and 120 people die every day from car accidents on average. Granted, there is a higher number of drivers, but I believe the statistic is 1/250 people will die by car accident, and 1/500 people will be murdered on the street. Going out in public and existing or driving a car is far more dangerous than that. In all reality, at the end of the day, we all do dangerous things every day and don't even think about it. Anyone who dives knows the risk, the same as any dangerous sport
@@boad8270 OP is correct. Dying in a traffic accident is FAR more likely than dying in cave diving accident, or sky diving, etc.
I dont have to cave dive... i do in fact have to drive to work.....
Depends on how you're manipulating your statistics. Lots of people die driving on a daily basis, agree 100%, and not a lot of people die cave diving, also agree 100%.
Now, change your numbers to a rate. How many "drives" result in a death? How many cave dives result in a death? I think you'll find you're much more likely to die cave diving than driving a car, assuming you do both the same amount of times.
I've been a sea urchin/scallop diver tender for over 25 years.
Most sea urchins are harvested couple hours before, during, and after low tide. My diver is in 5-15 feet of water. Aluminum 80 lasts 60-90mins.
Scallop diving is a lil deeper. 30-40feet. Tanks last 45-60mins.
We never think about decompression stops, or do any dive planing other than I follow the diver, toss empty bags on a line, pull in the catch.
I found this channel about a week ago and have been binge watching the videos from oldest to now. Gus you look amazing 💪🏾 keep it up!
This was a devastating tragedy that indeed could have been prevented if they were on rebreathers..... and a good promo for them here. Thank you for reacting sensitively to this one. I'm no diver but continue to learn so much from your videos.
The biggest adrenaline rush is doing something that could easily kill you and manage to pull it off without getting hurt or dead, but the possibility of getting killed is a necessary part of the rush.
Excellent video both yours and the one you reacted to I really enjoy these videos that spark genuine conversation between you both and provide information about the logistics of cave diving as well. Thanks for all your content!!
A question- how do the divers carry those cookies and spools? Do they have pockets in their diving suits, or some sort of tool belt?
Spools are clipped to your harness, usually around your lower back. Cookies and markers are usually on a bungee at your shoulder.
Cave divers will usually have a pouch at their lower back with spare gear and a notebook
35:30 , curious on your thoughts but I think the public’s view of this is not that there are extreme odds of dying while cave diving, but more so what was shown in this video; the smallest mistake such as making a wrong turn can lead to death. It’s the same argument that “flying a plane is safer than driving a car”, but again people’s minds go to the fact that you can generally survive a mistake (crash) in a car where in a plane you are almost certainly dying.
would be cool to have long enough lines that at the end you can charge it with a flashlight or the light from the opening and it illuminates the entire strand so if youre light dies you have some visual aid
Woody, your kindness in saying you would share your air even if you were running out yourself is exactly why you must survive. You are an asset to the world and I'm so glad American Express saved you
Dr. Deco is a great villain name :)
Been a while since I caught a video from you guys... and I gotta say Gus is lookin lean and mean!!!
Keep doing whatever you doing my guy... you look like a new man 💯
I’ve been watching this channel for a year or more now and I notice that Gus is if not often seems grumpy lol woody is the upbeat, bubbly personality and Gus reminds me of squidward at times. Idk how to process that 😂 you two balance each other out well I guess
You don’t owe anyone an explanation for why you do it, or anything else. Live your best lives! You guys are incredible! Wish I had the balls to try it…
Great show guys ...the fatalities in cave diving remind me of surfing places like pipeline Hawaii surfers die there every year and theres even some professionals taken there also
...like cave diving you prepare your very best for the dive and by the odds you will be fine but nothing is curtain when your below the surface ....Pipeline has taken many lives over the decades but no one would consider closing it off to surfers ....
5:40 deathly uncertainly awaited...the fateful decision to turn back...
"I don't know where the video is going to go"
How many hints do you need?
Could use different coloured line, different textures and/or signs for different tunnels would make sense but as you said that makes things easy which breeds complacency.
I am so happy for the guy who made this video 😁 Approved by dive talk 👍
I had dived for vouple years not cave but diving is rrlaxingvand the silence under water gaveva special feeling
Tough choice, just one navigation error doomed them. What do You guys think of a compass as an additional tool to confirm decisions?
My man using that ozempic
I have done that exact traverse before. It is a little tricky and easy to miss, or at least it use to be.
Any chance of having a few episodes of awsome dives and amazing caves? A refreshing change.
Great video guys
Dive Watches?? I would love to hear what you guys use and what watches are most practical etc. I love Dive Watches mechanics and durability. Goes along with how amazing cave diving is!!!!!!
Maybe you guys could come to Santa Cruz and put arrows in the middle of the redwoods in the Santa Cruz mountains? The point is, everyone doesn't ski groomers or stay within a mile from the trailhead in our beautiful national park system.
At 34:31 the narrator asks if it is worth risking your life to see these place's??? I will have to answer that question with a RESOUNDING YESSSS and the reason I say that is because there are place's to venture to and see that are just Amazing "I don't know any other word to describe it... Except just AMAZEBALLS LOL" and that you won't be able to see above ground or in a dry cave that you could see in an underwater cave system "Such as the Crystal Caves" I have never even heard of a dry cave with such a beautiful and amazing Crystal structures only a wet cave "Underwater Cave" have I seen or heard of somthing such as this "BTW It's my belief every diver should put abacose on there bucket list 😉 😊 😂
As if a Friday couldn’t get any better!! Thanks guys!
Isn't there any rule to understand which line is the one to get to the exit? For example the main line being green, any options to leave a main line, yellow colour, any turns from a yellow line then red lines. This way if you follow a red line you know you are 2 lines away from the exit and you need to look for yellow colour line, and then the green line, with arrows pointing always to the exit. My point is that with any colour line you don't know where to go, in case of taking photos around or looking whatever, you can get disorientated very easily and a mix of arrows and colour code would help deciding whether to continue or exit, if the arrows would have a colour code or even numbers, would still be better.
Which direction would you put the permanant arrow on that jump? Didnt they say the closet exit was actually at grande cenote?
Arrows always point to the closest exit.
People thinking cave diving means death is probably a good attitude to have, so it filters out the amateurs and gets the determined people to make darn sure they're doing everything right.
18:00 As a laymen, my first guess would have been that a permanent line with lots of T-intersections could lead to a diver taking a path they haven't planned for out of accident. Maybe an Exit marker has deteriorated or has gotten loose by accident and now you're confronted with deciding between 3 directions at a T-crossing instad of just two directions - forward, backwards -
The sign discussion is interesting. Maybe enviromental protections are involved here as well? As in keep the cave clean of as much human interference as possible.
Refreshing video reaction nontheless! I always enjoyed and will enjoy the two of you being so passionate about your hobby over the months.
I dont know, even the Octonauts did a whole movie special about the Sac Actun cenote caves and how dangerous they are to dive. Maybe its just because i cant dive, but noooooo
I am so happy to hear that you feel this RUclipsr did it right!!😊
I cliff dive, even though I see throughout the summer that you can die or get seriously injured cliff diving. It's just fun
And that's how cookie crumbles
00:22..."I Dont Know How you can get into a Death Trap...Caving.."...🤣
install reflective exit signs in complex cave systems - just a though - I like Woody's idea about road signs with distance it's very intelligent
Can you put phosphor in the lines so they glow?
Gus lost weight. He’s looking great! Keep up the great work
I think those Google glasses from a few years ago would be something good for divers To have heads up display
As per the life insurance application, that’s life. As a life-long Type I diabetic, I’ve never been able to re-up the policy my parents bought for me when I was born. Cause I was diagnosed, and am now as good as dead in the eyes of the government and business.
Gus’ explanation behind the “why?” question is perfect though. It’s the community involved, and the event itself. I cycle, and once you start doing it consistently, you end up meeting other people who do it, and are then in the culture. If I see someone pulled over with a bike problem, I’ll stop and ask if they need help. As that’s normal over here.
I have maybe watched 30 of your videos and Woody has almost died. So this is really dangerous.
I would love to buy a Dive talk shirt like the one you guys are wearing. How can I? I couldn’t find it on the website, so I hope it restocks soon. Thanks for the video, awesome as always!
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I don't know jack sh+t about diving but i love these reaction videos. Very interesting
Cave divers intentionally make their own dives more dangerous to discourage others from cave diving by making it seem too risky. Clear logic.
Gus is absolutely right when he made the point that other activities can be incredibly dangerous and have people die even when they do everything right. Bringing up piloting was excellent. Look at past accidents such as Alaska Airlines 261, Japan Airlines 123, United Airlines 232: all of them happened due to a failure of a crucial part. The pilots did everything right in these cases and acted heroically to try and save their passengers and themselves. The planes still crashed and people still died. No activity in the world is completely safe.
Not a diver so might be stupid but what about reflective arrows or signs.. soon as your flashlight hits it it'll shine for you? You could pan the area until it lights up
I love cenotes! Have either of you been to the Galápagos Islands yet? Just to open water dive? It’s so beautiful!
2:22 this is the exact reason I only fly privately now. One of my buddies and old coworkers died in a crash because a nut in the elevator failed. Our mechanics even inspected the exact part the day before because the same make and model aircraft crashed just prior. Sometimes your number gets called.
If a line was broke of id pick it back up & look for the other end bc it's gotta be close by & just tie off & continue with the other side in the direction I'm sure is the surface
I'm impressed with the narrator's understanding and description of the events that happened in the cenotes.
How many cave dives do you Gus & Woody do you guys do a month (or maybe year)?
It fluctuates, right now I would say 20-25 cave dives a year. Which is not great.
@@DIVETALKso about 2 times a month
Every other weekend
Superstars!
#jealous
@@DIVETALKDo you guys only dive together?
Do you always go to the same caves, or always look for new caves to discover?
Should just make it a standard that the main line is a certain color and the jump lines are different colors.. and you'll know when you get back to the main line
You say they missed one turn but they went for 25 mins without hitting the jump they expected to reach after 3 mins. You think they would notice ever after 10 mins that they might have gone the wrong way.
have you ever had a spider crawl out of your breath thing
Hey Gus, looking good bro. Nothing weird, I just don't get to get on very often lately so it has been a while and that means that all of the work you have been doing is _very_ obvious.
I've been off for about a year, but where did the original Gus go??
Who makes the decision about how main lines are laid out and who maintains them?
watching cave stories got me hooked in
Why isn't there like a rounded arrow at the main line indicating a jump?
they said were they were going to go and then turn around, if your already half way up the next cave over wouldn't it be smarter to just go out that cave instead of them turning around. that seems like a weird plan to go through one and half way through another and not take the shorter distance out. I'm only half way through the video so maybe they explain it
You diving guys are thrill seekers. The buzz you must feel when cave diving must be crazy. Love your channel. ❤
the chemistry is so forced it might as well be an iv
Non-zero chance of a fatality
Glitter PLA arrows?
IT APEARS THAT SIMPLE MISTAKES WILL KILL U
It does seem like on occasion cave divers take foolish risks.
Concerning life insurance, I wonder if extreme sports participants have an increased risk of accidental death from more mundane sources (e.g. car accidents, home improvement accidents, etc) due to a higher risk tolerance.
You have to think about the recovery crew that have to go in to recover the remains and how dangerous that is
I see Gus found Ozempic lol
An average of 1 motorcycle rider a year dies on The Tail of the Dragon ( Deals Gap). Same thing, everyone knows yet they ride that road anyway.
Hello, could someone please clarify to me how Gus meant, that in the worst scenario, if they have rebreather and it would stop to work, their tanks would be still completely full thanks to the rebreathers and they could switch to OC and return back with full tanks? I don't get how the tanks could be still completely full, even with RB, unless they were not used at all?
@@andreahelenagabrielaberank9571 the tanks are mainly for bailout/emergency. We use it also for Dil but it’s such a tiny amount that doesn’t really affects the tanks that much. For example, we start with 3,500 PSI and end with 3,400 PSI.
@@DIVETALK Thank you for your response. So if I got you right now, these tanks are not used for the dive and you have them for emergency situations etc.as you wrote. So it has like nothing to do with RB. You would have them full neither way even when you would dive with OC, am I correct? Not big deal at all, it just caught my ear and I was wondering how that it possible so I wanted to understand.
Thank you🙂
rule number 1 of muff diving... check first for crabs
Here’s the deal don’t make cave diving illegal or shutdown any caves just put a notice nationwide in the United States that if you go cave diving and run into trouble we will no longer send someone for help your on your own why should someone risk their own life for stupid people we seriously need to do this and maybe people will stop doing stupid stuff. And we could also expand this to other things..
15:29 great question
I would love to Cave dive, but I can’t even risk a 1% death chance
Question fellas. Whats been one or some of the biggest discoveries to come from cave diving? What do you guys find down there?