After 35 years of buying the newest console and games, the push for digital media, mandatory installs, updates, dlc, micro transactions and internet dependent games drove me to give up on the next generation from here on out. I’ve gone back to older consoles, primarily the PS2 for exactly that reason. I want an easy, pick up and play experience and the enjoyment of having the game in hand, the box art, having it on the shelf and knowing it’ll work every time. I don’t see anything new ever giving us an experience like that again. Retro games and consoles will only become more valuable to me because of that. And fortunately, there’s many to choose from with huge libraries of games I’ve never played and many I’d be happy to play again. Merry Christmas guys.
Feel the same. Can't keep up anymore, especially with intermittent console upgrades/ revisions mid-life cycle. It will take me rest of my life getting through my backlog of deep, soulful retro games. I think every form of media means more when you're holding something physical.
Yeah, it seems consoles are now following the PC format. They have become almost PCs in a box. But thats to be expected as both companies, Sony and Microsoft are just hardware manufacturers and have never been game developers like Sega and Nintendo who approached video game hardware in a different way.
I think you guys nailed it. I will always love throwing in a 16 bit game, and playing a 100% finished product right away. I can play it, get my fill, and play it again another day. I don't have to update, or install anything, I can just play.
Totally! Nothing is more frustrating than when you get 30-45 minutes to play a game and you get the dreaded update notification. Frickin sucks. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
Heck yea it was. Now with the scalpers and profiteers, it is really hard. There are a team of resellers in my area that take everything from garage sales, and sometime get there before the start time. I just can't compete and have to resort to driving 2 hours out of town to find any good deals.
Although still possible to find some great deals on retro stuff they are few and far between. It is very time consuming to check local second hand shops all the time. Nowadays I splurge on something I really want instead of fighting resellers at markets or I just stick to modern stuff that’s readily available.
@@retrohavoc4700 in my old age I enjoy the convenience that the retro "Mini" provide. I've hacked the NES and SNES Minis, so I have access to pretty much every game I've ever wanted to play on both systems. After I get used to the input and audio lag I don't really notice or mind.
We said the same thing about music and yes it did drop off but look at vinyl sales now. My kids are teenagers and collect vinyl. I think the same for video games. Look at all the niche retro publishers releasing retro video game titles with an assortment of posters, stickers and special packaging. An audience of video gamers will always want the physical format.
Totally different concept. Vinyls don’t require day one updates to function, DLC codes to get the full package, half of the album isn’t digital… the physicality of gaming is dying quite fast and it’s dying faster than other mediums
80's was best, I was in high school in the early 80's and enjoyed all the vector based graphics arcade games like, asteroids, Battlezone, Tempest, etc, than the color graphics of, PAC Man, Dokey Kong, etc, that followed.
Growing up with a Gamecube and PS3 in my house, and having no access to a credit card yet, it was all about the physical copy for me. I always loved keeping cases on my shelf or even displaying those cases like a show-piece when I wasn't using them. Seeing them was a physical memory of some time of my life. My interest in the PS2 when I was 13 (funny enough, I had a new PS4 at the time) might've bolstered my love for physical media. In the back of my mind I could remember walking into old stores and seeing PS2 games on shelves, brand new. One day I'll feel the same about PS4 games. I'm still collecting physicals for my family's PS4 and PS5! Discs are king.
The NES brought friends and families together. Next Gen consoles are putting everyone in separate rooms/ homes. Growing up I was lucky to have an N64, now there's a system in every home.
It's definitely a different time. Speaking of N64, man that was a fun era. 4 player games on the same console. So many good memories. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
By the time someone feels nostalgic for a PS5 (possibly the last console with physical media), it will likely be well after our time (for many of us). The younger generations growing up all digital likely won't have that same desire for physical games, because it wasn't part of their experience. I look behind me at my game room and we have generations and generations of consoles with thousands of games none of us will ever be able to experience fully, so I don't really feel like we're going to lose out on something. People will find nostalgia where they experienced it. We were just REALLY REALLY fortunate to grow up in a time when we did.
You are spot on. I always say how glad I am to have grown up when I did. Seen a pre-internet world and then was able to watch it all unfold. Pretty awesome stuff. Cheers!
This topic makes me compare game collecting to my vinyl collection. I didn’t grow up in the vinyl era but I get drawn to the physical media and playing it the way it was meant to be. Likewise, the future will be filled with those retro game purists that will want to go back and experience the historical and hobby aspect of it. Long live video game collecting!! Cheers broskis.
That is a very good point my friend. The interesting thing will be if games will get new print runs like vinyl. Limited Run does that now and maybe there will be a larger market for that in the future. Time will tell. Cheers!
Playing ps2 in 1080i using GSM and component cables honestly feels like I have a new game console. Playing GTA. Maddens, Bully, games like this in 1080i on a 50inch HDTV looks beautiful. I collect ps2 games heavily now.
Very cool. We've never upscaled our PS2. Still rocking component cables through a Trinitron. Sounds like it looks fabulous though. Thanks a ton for watching and cheers to the good ol' PS2!
Really good points there which I also share and have been thinking about. The physical media era has ended with the PS3/360. I think the only redeeming factor with the PS4/XB1 era are the limited collectors editions of some games which came with a wealth of extras like art books, soundtracks, cards, posters and figures. Those editions will become highly sought after by collectors...but that's about it. The fact the entire game isn't on the physical media anymore is where the collecting ends.
I just started collecting Wii U & Wii games during the lockdown. I don't regret a thing. Pretty soon, every game will be hidden behind DRM digitally. I hate needing internet to play what I paid for. Great video
It's a really fun time to collect for both those consoles. We think collecting for the Wii U will be insane at some point so now is the time. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
The only thing that hinders my collecting for future games is how massive these games are becoming that retailers might stick to digital because these disks don't hold that much memory anymore, there's mostly 10GB whenever you insert the disk, then you have to install 20 to 60 more GB from the internet. That's why my PS4 collection is so low while my PS3 and Switch hold 200 games that aren't 10GB each and digital. Once that happens all these physical games from Atari to now will skyrocket. Already happening with Nintendo stupidly cutting supply with 3D All Stars and Fire Emblem. I have them, but Jesus Christ they're gonna become diamonds in April 1st.
Nintendo with yet another head scratching move LOL! Glad we were able to snag 3D All Stars for sure. Great points made here. The digital age is here to stay. Cheers!
Everything you said about updates and patches and data is correct. People will still collect like crazy though. The hobby itself is an addiction for most.
You are probably correct. It's just hard for us to see a point in it when the discs for the most part don't contain the full game. But we're pretty old school lol. Cheers!
Thanks for stopping by and for your kind words. Glad you found us. It's a grind out here as a small creator. Really appreciate your feedback and support but most of all glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid Keep on grinding because it’s definitely going to pay off ten-fold for you guys. It’s just getting the word out to the masses. I just shared your channel with a bunch of peeps. Binge watching you guys after work tonight with my son.
I’ve been thinking about this recently, you guys hit it right on the head. And I think you’re right, we just need to enjoy what we have while it’s here. Keep killin’ it guys!
Some really good points, this is why I love collecting for cart based systems from my childhood like the Megadrive and N64 😍 isopropyl alcohol every so often and I truly believe they'll last forever
I’m 18 and already got the nostalgia for the gc, ps2, n64, and Wii era of games/consoles. I just started collecting as well! Lol I must also be the reason why these games are so high in demand too.
Fantastic video, fellas! The future of game collecting is an interesting quandary. People used to collect baseball cards, then action figures, then video games, sometimes all at once... but there’s always ‘something’ people collect. It may or may not be related to video games. Hard to predict, but really makes you think! Love hearing your perspectives... and yeah.. those updates on PS and Xbox are brutal 😂. Hope all is well 🥂
Thanks man! Hope things are well on your end also. It will be interesting to see if gamers from this current gen have nostalgia for their games that is even in the ball park of what we had. I always feel so blessed that we grew up when we did. Hope you and the fam have a great 2021! Cheers!
I just came across the channel and I love it. Before watching this video I had the same ideas. I'm 16, and feel as if most of my generation is shifting or has shifted from physical games, retro games, etc.
I do agree to some extent. Current game collecting is at its peak. My theory is that future cart/disc game collecting will be all about sealed/plastic wrapped new-in-box games. The limited few collectors still out there want stuff that is in rare and pristine condition, museum pieces. Used, cart/disc-only, games will be essentially worthless junk. I would argue that the market for collectors will be so slim that it wont even support the value for complete-in-box games, causing even these to take a heavy dive in terms of value. I collect for the NES, but at its current price point progression kinda slow at the moment. I do expect prices to come back down eventually and I plan to play through my games once I retire, so I am in no rush lol. Meanwhile I am picking up sealed PS3 and WiiU titles that are on the rare side of things - mostly because I cant help myself from addictive collecting. I suppose it is a gamble on future value development but I enjoy it and it is fun, which is all that matters to me. If my collection one day sells for 1 000 or 100 000 is up to younger generations to decide.
It's becoming more difficult to play retro games on a modern televisions. Will televisions even have an HDMI connection in the future? The Switch is unique in that you don't need a tv to play the handheld or tabletop mode.
I see HDMI lasting for a while because the physical connector is still perfectly fine as tech advances. Current cables can do 8k 30fps which is overkill for an office PC and arguably for many TV's. The long life of HDMI and the ubiquity of it makes me feel like it's going to last for a very long time. Most HDMI devices aren't portable so there's not an issue with the connector size.
Everything going to digital is one thing that I am not in favor of. I know that things evolve and get better, I just prefer physical. My internet is fine, I get close to 250-300 MBps (or whatever internet is measured in). I did not really get into gaming until 2 years ago, so that is one thing that I am going to miss. An game that I can get physical I do. Great content, happy holidays to you guys.
We totally prefer physical as well. We enjoy modern gaming a lot but it doesn't have the staying power for us that the retro stuff does. Thanks a ton for watching and happy holidays. Cheers!
Great topic, guys. I have put a lot of thought into this. I think future collectors will surprise us. Mainly because people love to collect things. Now, if physical games go away, there will obviously be nothing to collect. But outside of that, people will collect things. They just can't help themselves. Merry Christmas Wes & Rob!
I went back and 100% Final Fantasy VII on PS4 and the option to speed up that game and turn off random encounters really makes the game more playable today.
Im 17 years old but i completely agree with everything you guys said here. Im also trying to collect all the old consoles i never got to experience as well as for newer ones. In particular im trying to get my hands on all the 7th gen consoles with digital stores before they close. I think all i have left to get is the wii u. But still i gotta get the games soon before its too late. Also another concerning thing along with updates is DLC. Thats gonna be completely gone forever as well. It honestly scares me. And hearing the Wii being called a retro console kinda hurts ngl. I miss those days...
Some are for sure. There are certain consoles we just avoid. The NES is coming down a bit and we are having a lot of fun collecting for the PS2 (is that retro lol?). Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
theres nothing like popping an gen 6 or earlier, game and having you favorite GamePro or EGM magazine from the era and a cold brew while you game on a glowing CRT TV in a dark room. Nothing modern can compete with that level of nostalgia and immersion.
@@A42631 RPG's, short for Role Playing Games (zelda, final fantasy, etc). Not EVERY SINGLE game back in the day just came with a manual, some had a little extra like maps of the world of the game you were playing. Most maps would be made of paper, but a few rare ones would be made out of cloth or some other material, very detailed and colorful. I believe the game Lunar silver star story on ps1 had such a map but it might have been a collector's edition I think. Either way I miss my maps, cloth or paper.
Such a good point about patches needed! I am buying disc games from days gone by and so far all can update (XBOX 360+) but I better hurry up because updates won’t be around for long!
Honestly it think will become like vinyl,casettes,VHS. Once the younger gen hits a certain age they tend to drag up nostalgic stuff and then there is a boom again.
You guys bring up so many great points here. I do like to collect current-gen stuff for Xbox One and my Switch but sometimes I become scared of what happens to these games way down the road when the servers get shut down. The fact is you're absolutely right, physical disks often come glitchy from AAA manufacturers and need patches to get them running right again. What do you do in the future if the servers are down and the updates are no longer available? The answer is to pray that you already had the game and have already applied the updates to it otherwise you're screwed. I also believe retro collecting will come down to what brand the game is from rather than age. A good example of this is early 80s consoles like the Atari 2600 or ColecoVision. Those are older than almost anything else yet nobody seems to want them. Heck, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one on this planet who actually want the ColecoVision LOL. Anything from Nintendo will be collectible for a long long time, the Wii U might be exempt except to the hardcore fans but it'll still be collectible to some degree. Anything from Sega is also still collectible just because of its history. From Sony only the first two consoles seem to be truly collectible and surprisingly nobody really likes to collect stuff for Xbox despite its fantastic Library.
It is very odd how XBOX stuff isn't as collectable. We are glad though because it makes collecting for the OG XBOX fun :). Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid Oh for sure, the OG Xbox and the Xbox 360 are some of the best and cheapest console games to collect for at the moment. The most expensive OG Xbox titles usually aren't much more than $100 unless its a copy of Steel Battalion with that insane controller it needs. Plenty of games for other older consoles like PC Engine, Neo Geo and even the NES are much more expensive and hard to find. Xbox 360 titles aren't going up too far in price at the time of this comment so now would be the best time to get some of those games. Always looking forward to new content my bros! See you next time! :)
Enjoy it while it lasts indeed!! We've been telling people for years now that part of the reason the Wii and PS2 and the like have been shooting up in prices on their games is due to those kids that've grown up with them becoming young adults with disposable income and a hankering for nostalgia and they're buying up their childhood. And yeah, these are some of the last consoles to ever really have that pull of collecting with them because of the rush to digital gaming beyond them. That collector market for the systems that came after is going to shrink fast. I also feel like the surge of flipping culture lately has really helped to dismantle the joy in collecting as well. Don't get me wrong, collecting can be an expensive endeavor and I've never had any issue with those who flip to put the funds into their collections, but the absolute flood of content out there that pushes this really drowns out the joy of collecting with so much focus being on what deals can one get and how much can they profit from that. The flipping culture has clearly inspired places like flea markets, thrift shops, and Goodwills to now price check their games at least to the point that a good deal is getting insanely hard to find at these places. I understand a specialty shop charging premium in that they have overhead and are combating online sales to be in business. But flea markets being used as cheap store fronts is so annoying. Goodwills, marking up on items they were DONATED. And in any instance at least with a specialty shop, if there's an issue with a game, I can return it to some capacity--you think a flea market will take back an untested game sold at a premium price? Flippers are not doing any favors to the community for collectors, that's for sure. I don't like putting it so bluntly but the truth speaks for itself.
That's a tough one. It's like the chicken or the egg dilemma. If I didn't flip I wouldn't collect anymore. I can't get myself to pay $100 for Contra Hard Corps unless I can justify it through other means. The market was getting wild prior to the rise of flipping and has just continue to do so. Although it doesn't help the pricing structure and may hurt it a bit, it does show folks how to make some easy money so that they can collect on a budget. It's kinda like the "Hidden Gems" video debate. Did Metal Jesus inflate the market? Maybe temporarily. But he also maybe told us about 10-20 games we missed a long the way that we would have otherwise skipped. I think regardless of flipping or Metal Jesus the days of finding 8 bit and 16 bit carts at Goodwill are long gone. So it's either one gives in to eBay pricing and pay or fight the tough prices by taking a piece of the pie their self to redistribute to their collection. Just my long winded 2 cents lol :). Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid Um--it's your channel so I don't think you can ever be too long winded. Wedding Singer...microphone? Hello! lol That's true with the chicken & egg analogy. There's always been that level of contention between collectors and resellers that seemed to have melded into a more acceptable title of flipping it seems. The former has begun to embrace the financial strides the latter had begun and for your exact reasoning that to afford the higher priced gems of the hobby you sometimes gotta make the hobby work for you. Though when it comes to the enjoyment of collecting, through all the RUclipsrs I watch, there's an underlying theme of collection fatigue, except it's really come to shine as more collectors turn to flipping. That is, they've turned their hobby into work and find less enjoyment in it, which in turns spurs the copy & paste videos of discussion of why to still collect. Or, it could just be for the clicks as the second perfect bait to T&A. What do I know?
Wife bought me Reuben's Brews BBIS 2020 Bourbon Barrel Aged Imperial Stout for Christmas. I'm watching this in the morning but I'll drink it later tonight, I'm pretty excited for it. I still hold that disc rot is and inexorable inevitability that continues to worry me about my collection. Not only that, but older consoles are showing signs of their age. I've replaced 72 pin connectors in the NES and clock caps in the original Xbox but reballing a processor for the PS3 is an intensive process. This worries me because There will come a time when the only people able to play the old games on the original hardware will be collectors with the expertise to keep their consoles running. Every time a thumb stick gets chewed off a Game Cube controller, a kid throws it away instead of replacing it and playing the console becomes .00001% harder for the world. Every time a disc gets scratched beyond playability, it gets thrown away instead of resurfaced and the software becomes a little harder to find. Emulation is important for the community but I hope people make the effort to preserve what they can.
Hope that beer was epic man. It sounds good. You make very valid points here. The consoles that worry us is the disc based stuff. So many moving parts and the average Joe will toss them out for sure. Fingers crossed but we have yet to encounter disc rot. Hopefully that shit stays away for awhile. Hope you are having a great holiday season. Cheers!
The main thing is that the updates for the PS3 and 360 are WAY smaller than the ones for modern consoles. You could pretty easily have a .zip of the latest patch for every game (I don't remember if you can update games with a USB or just the console). Also both have been hacked so getting the patches onto the console isn't that hard when the servers do go down. The 360 update/achievement servers in particular will likely have an extremely long life because of MS' backward compatibility on Xbox One (they need to have those patches in some form to generate the needed files).
I still have quite a few video games to collect for systems going from the NES era to the PS3/360/Wii era. As far as continuing into this generation, I think that is it for me. Reason(s) being: 1. I noticed many games are not fully on the physical media. That is prevalent with Nintendo Switch titles. 2. More and more games are shipping in a broken state. Prior to DLC/Updates, the issues those games have would have been mostly resolved before being pressed to physical media. 3. Some games features and resolved issues are tied to online servers and once those servers cease to exist, you no longer have access to DLC/Updates, which enhanced or fixed those games unless you have a backup and/or you still have a working console. 4. Digital games and DLC are tied to console and accounts. If you download games, it is locked to your account. 5. Games are shipped bare minimum; No instruction manuals, no posters, no maps, no mini-strategy guide, no marketing inserts, no behind-the-scenes/making of, and no soundtrack. 6. I’m older and buying consoles nowadays hits differently than it did when I was in my teens. I still love and my video games, but I am disappointed in the direction the game industry is going. I think the Nintendo Switch will be one of the go to consoles to retro collect for and the two biggest reasons are that, (1)Digital-to-physical releases are plenty & popular on a device like the Nintendo Switch not just because you get the opportunity to have a once digital-only game in physical form, but (2)being able to play on the go in handheld mode. Between those two and the fact that the Nintendo Switch uses cartridge instead of disc is yet another reason that will compel gamers to favor the Nintendo Switch as the system of choice for collecting.
Great points. We really focus on the same gens you are talking about for the same reasons. We still play newer stuff but aren't inclined to collect for the modern stuff. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
The ceiling for collecting for me probably peaks at the WiiU, maybe the switch eventually with its physical media (what there is of it). Being a Nintendo it becomes more collectable than a Sony/Microsoft etc due to nostalgia I feel (I'm 33 🙈). it's interesting to watch the Wii atm, as it cycles through from GameCube, but it's interesting as it creeps into the WiiU also. I do think however collecting for your PS1/2 and OG Xboxs will continue to grow due to Microsoft and Sony's consistency in the market, it'll always be there in some form retro video game collecting and I'll continue to do it until I can't no more! Great channel chaps keep up the solid work!!
I think you are correct. The Switch will probably the the last gasp for really going after physical media. The Wii market is interesting to watch for sure and really is surprising the hell out of us. Such a large install base yet Wii Sports is going for $20-$25. Doesn't seem to make sense lol. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
I feel you guys. One point I think wasn’t mentioned was straight up quality of games without regard to nostalgia. I’m saying SNeS prices probably aren’t dropping considering they have huge replay value and are peak gaming experiences. Will those type of quality games see a demise of price once the nostalgic crowd loses demand for it? Hard to tell, but you guys are on point with digital media clogging memory, and access to so many LONG games future kids who grow up will have even less time and way more to choose from in the present
I'll never stop buying the new consoles - my favourite gaming experiences are from the last 3 generations of consoles (360/XBOne). As much as I loved my NES (I'm 45 now), none of my nostalgia for those days matches the quality of gaming experiences I've had recently. There are a handful of NES/SNES games that I still adore, and will go back and play, but they're short plays and I'm good for a while. I do collect for the Switch however as it's a blend of current gaming, AND Indie games with a nostalgic lens, but with modern quality of gameplay. You say there won't be a nostalgic kick down the road from newer games, but that's incredibly near-sighted because nostalgia doesn't come from a poster included with the game, it's stems from the memory of everything that surrounded playing that game at that time and the emotions those memories evoke.
I agree with a lot of what you guys say, and I do think things will be very different 10-15 years from now. But with companies like limited run making physical versions of digital games, that does show there are enough people out there still passionate about physical media. It’ll definitely be different in the future, but maybe it won’t be all terrible
It will always exist on some level and for those of us who still enjoy it we'll still be able to collect. But it's going to be interesting to see how the landscape changes in the coming years. Cheers!
I feel like with the scope of current and prev gen gaming, the costs to make a game based on a traditional release makes it very hard in comparison to the getting a budget for something that will be on gamepass.
Great point. We rarely buy any new releases any more. Mostly due to how quickly the prices drop but also they will also be on streaming services. Cheers!
My thoughts are ps4 and Xbox one aren’t going to be super collectible after servers go down and stuff however I think switch or atleast certain switch games are going to have that collector thing going for it after that idk
Ya the Switch being cart based is huge. Sure there are updates but for the most part the games are in a playable state out of the box. And Nintenders name being on it will undoubtedly make it collectable. Cheers!
I was just thinking about some of the games I have for the Switch that are trilogies or collections themselves. For instance, I have Borderlands Legendary Collection, and is says right on the front cover, "Includes 3 games + add-on content." But when you insert the game cart for the first time, you find that only Borderlands 1 (Game of the Year Edition) is on the game cart. The other two games (Borderlands 2 and Borderlands The Pre-sequel) as well as all the DLC have to be downloaded.
There seem to be a lot of collections on the Switch that are like that. I think one of the Mega Man collections is just like that. Definitely annoying. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
I don't know that I can say anything you haven't said. It's sad, but it's just how things are going, not just with video games, but movies, music...shopping! It's coming real soon where second hand market won't even exist anymore. The one silver lining is that companies know what the most popular franchises are. So remakes, remasters, collected and ultimate editions will be a thing for the foreseeable future. You can also look ahead and see what non-internet-centric games you're going to want to keep after the servers go down and make sure you have all the updates on your hard drive. But yeah, the end of physical media has been coming for some time. Sad, but it's where we are.
Very sad indeed. We just feel blessed to have grown up in the generation that we did and for the moment we can still enjoy the hunt for nostalgia. But the clock is ticking for sure. Cheers!
There will always be collectors of anything at a given point, but we've reached the peak in terms of mass popularity. My generation( 80s/90s kids) and older have families in many cases and probably starting to phase out of it, or at least we have most of what we want. I've actually started to curate my collection over the past year. Just this month alone I've sold in excess of 50 games across multiple platforms. Not a 'ton' to those who have collections in the thousands but still, I look at my own reality at 43 and say 'do I want all this stuff? Am I using all this stuff? Where am I gonna be in a decade, am I really gonna be here at 50+ trying to sell off NES/SNES? To whom? Generations after me dont care about those weird looking carts like I did.' Some existential collecting realities hit you as time marches on. Know what I did today? While people are out there blowing a grand on scalped PS5s I bought a $25 NES classic and fired up Ninja Gaiden, which is one of the 50 aforementioned games I sold recently( along with the rest of my small number of NES titles). Merry Christmas to me. I'm at the 'this is good enough stage' where emulation isnt a dirty word, and I don't 'need' the physical representation anymore in all but the most personal favorites. My gen grew up with physical media being very prevalent: 8 tracks, VHS, cassette tapes, CDs, game carts. There was a tactile experience in particular with the latter as far as gaming went, blowing into the carts and system in particular. That was part of it. These experiences have slowly whittled away as we've moved to digital downloads and online gaming, which has made the hobby far more impersonal than before. For many of todays kids, gaming is simply a download away, so there is no reason for them to amass tons of plastic in their personal spaces. There is no connection to the physical media as it was for past generations. Also bear in mind that games nowadays ship incomplete and are in essence beta copies, as the game post launch often has gigs of content to bring it up to standard. You also, at least with Xbox and PS, are installing the game to an HDD at which point the disc merely acts as an authentication tool which you raised in the vid. Beyond the idea of 'ownership' the practical reasons for having a physical game are getting less and less. I also feel theres a larger picture here. We have to look at how the world is trending. People today have less buying power than before, and I think the mentality that drove, for example, wanting a complete CIB NES collection won't be there. I think future gens will be more interested in acquiring memories and not 'stuff'. Watch out for the anti-consumption/ minimalist movements slowly creeping in over the coming years. You guys deserve more subs. Great discussions and content delivery. Happy holidays!
I'm not sure if the anti-consumption movement will affect retro games or movies because those games have already been made and the plastic made and used. A collapse of the retro market would create a lot more waste as people throw away games instead of selling them. Games and movies also offer a huge amount of entertainment relative to their physical size, unlike something like an action figure or knicknack.
Its becoming increasingly difficult to justify collecting physical copies since some games are online only and the disc will become worthless after the servers are shut down, not to mention digital sales often have games at lower prices than physical sales.
2 things I've notice. My nephew is 8 and all he ever wants to play on the (switch) is only games online Fornite etc.. My own dauther who is 7 has access to my collection over 1500 games and 8 systems...she played NES and PS1 and said this is too hard.. And started watching gameplay in RUclips insted of playing...
I think that the future of game collecting will be the past reborn, much like the love of vinyl. Here's why. Right now I collect games I played as a kid or games that hold some historical significance. My daughter's play these games more often than the games on later consoles. If I'm not the only one doing this, then in 20 years we'll be looking at a resurgence of NES through PS2 era game collecting. As long as the physical media is around it will have these waves in games.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the nostalgia for the modern stuff or if it will stay in the "Retro Scene" as we know it today. Time will tell. Hope you had a great holiday man. Cheers!
I have been out buying games for my sons for Christmas, though I have to take them with me now to make sure that haven’t already downloaded it on EA Access or Xbox pass ultimate. ‘We’ve got that dad on DLC’, and they are six and 9. If that doesn’t tell you physical games are dead nothing will
LOL! That's awesome that you are doing that though so they can play day one as opposed to watching a status bar for hours. Man don't you just miss the days when you could pop the cartridge in and you were ready to rock? Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid yeh those were the days you actually saved up for a game, I remember renting them from blockbusters, plus they download everything, the filled the 500gb internal, so I got a 1tb external and slotted it in the back, a week later i checked it and it was almost full already!
It was when I bought Tony hawk pro skater 5 and found out that the disc basically didn't have anything on it is when I knew retro collecting was dead beyond the older consoles. Also Merry Christmas guys!
With Tony Hawks Pro Skater 5 getting average scores of of around 32% & feels like a re-skinned Goat Simulator I can't see how they could not fit it all on the disc! The Tutorial was only on the disc and the rest was a download. I think it's pretty likely Activision rushed the game out to meet a contract deadline. Some companies are a total joke!
Just found your channel but I’m 20 and play almost purely offline games, such as Fallout 4, Fallen order etc and I’m going back to collect many older games such as Star Wars star fighter. I don’t really collect the games for the disc, I mostly get it for the box art
Can't be any more right. I've got two kids and every time they open up a new toy I think of me opening up the new TMNT figure or whatnot and I think to myself is something like this going to be nostalgic to them 20 years from now? Like do I try to save the packaging for them? Lol the collector in me wants to keep everything as pristine as possible. I'll never forget the day my mom made me throw out all my boxes to my N64 playstation 2 and whatnot. I don't want to be that kind of parent! I guess only time will tell lol. Cheers brothers 🍻
@@GamingOffTheGrid all my n64 game boxes went in the garbage immediately but what I saved was my console boxes. Snes n64 ps2 ps3 xbox360. All trashed when she went into my closet and said they're taking up too much room. Rip
I’m going to call you guys Super video-game brew brothers!!! Holy cow you guys are on point with the beer reviews!! Those goose island bourbon county imperial Stout‘s are off the hook!!! Have you guys had the one that comes out on Black Friday?
If collecting in general dies off maybe the high priced games will come down in price and will be way more affordable for people who are still collecting or want to pick up the games from their childhood especially with companies releasing mini consoles and rereleasing older games on the newer consoles i couldn't see many people wanting to go back to play the og demon souls on ps3 when they can pick up the ps5 version merry Christmas to you both
The Mini Console situation we figured would impact the market more. It seemed to a little bit at first but it seems to have bounced back. Crazy to us. We were thinking we'd be able to start getting some games on the cheap again :). Hope you had a great Christmas. Cheers!
And THIS is the reason im not going to buy a PS5/XboxSX! I cant accept that when they turn off the servers i will lose every game i paid for. Not on my watch! I rather buy oldskool stuff then the new.
It is very frustrating for sure. We probably will get a PS5 at some point but aren't in a rush. We'll wait a few years at least. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
I already have been bothered with this digital only and internet only situation with gaming awhile back which is why I started collecting alot of my favorite games and consoles I once had. I have a PC and when I got it I didn't like the fact of everything being digital and having to be connected to the internet to play MY games that I bought with MY own money. Even when I did find hard copies of games it was only the box with a code inside of it to be downloaded via Steam,GOG etc that's why I barely buy games for my PC like I do for my consoles because I get to buy physical media. But the way things are looking I'm planning on getting out of the collecting with all these prices sky rocketing in games and such. I do plan on getting a PS5 tho around fall or winter time.
Kids that only play online multiplayer, will have nothing to look back on in 10 years. When those servers go down, then they will have nostalgia for something that doesn't bexist anymore.
What if updates, become unlockable and can be downloaded and stored on external storage devices so that if you need a patch, you can install it after the servers go down? Is that a thing?
I believe that the games of today do not and will not have the same lasting impact of games from 30, 40 years ago. I can say this about all forms of entertainment. My favorite gaming mascot, Pac-Man, turned 40 this year and he will still be an icon in another 40 years from now. Games released decades ago had more character and charm, thus it's easy for us to recall the details and memories of playing these games when we were younger. I have difficulty recalling certain details of games during the seventh generation, as that is the most recent one that I have played games for. Older games were designed to be simple to play, but hard to master. Contra is an excellent example. Today's games can over complicate things, in terms of learning the ropes, and once you are done, you look back and think that it was such a chore to get through, which is why we are reluctant to re-visit them. I was not aware of al the downloads that have to be done for disc-based games during the recent generation, as I did not and will not buy a PS4 or Xbox One. The online dependency of modern games, certainly reduces their collectability over the long run. My gripe with all digital media is that it feels so temporary. Right now, I am considering cancelling my Netflix subscription at the end of the year, because of the amount of content that is being removed and the limited amount that is available to begin with.
You make very good points here for sure. The aspect of retro games that one can always get a little better. I've been playing Super Mario Bros and many others for 30 years and I still am always trying to out run my prior play through. The staying power is epic. Something modern stuff just doesn't do for me. Cheers to keeping it retro!
For collecting, at least in my area, getting old games cheap has pretty much dried up. I have a sizeable collection but I often wonder if I should sell in the near future in case 5 or 10 or 15 years from now it isn't worth anything.
Very interesting discussion. As an Xbox 360 fan, I'm collecting current. Some games are already dead, but i love the console. I'm going for a full set. However, my peers do not do this despite most of them having one in past.
I used to play quake1, quake2, quake3 online multiplayer, you can't really get online multiplayer retro experiences back. But let's hope the offline stuff remains playable at least.
That is the tough part with online based games. Once the community disperses to something else the charm is kinda gone forever. They are great in the moment but leave very little to go back to. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
optimistic future (and my personal vision) - peripherals, controllers, mods and accessories will unlock the potential of old platforms like in car culture and vintage cars. You’ll be able to get a steering wheel, light gun, fishing rod, motion tracker, or fight stick for any game, and you can buy a software key like you buy a song on iTunes. Public libraries will let you borrow certain physical copies for preservation. Pessimistic future- the rarity of physical media will make a market so highly inflated that like artwork, it’s more reasonable to display a copy than risk damage to an authentic. Think about all the super expensive rare games at the used video game store right now and how long it’ll take before someone plays it and how often they will play it.
I've been saying this for a while now. It sucks. It's not just video games its nostalgia as a whole for the upcoming generations. Basically everything they have as a child is digital. I know some kids that never even had a toy car or babydoll as a child 🤯
With what happing with Playstation Store, i think it make people realize little bit more about having Physical Collections vs Digital. Also with places like Limited Run and other Companies, bringing REMAKES with full games on the discs. Is main reason i am still buying every game that is interesting, cause its full games on discs.
I think PS3/Xbox 360 will be the cut off point. As someone who lives in the country with terrible internet and in the past sometimes no internet access, PS3/360 games in my experience were still usually quite playable without updating. If the hard drives stand the test of time, I think people that are collecting now could get the updates they need and still be good in the future. As for the homebrew community like others have said, hopefully there will be some preservation for these updates. That being said I think it will be completely different with PS5/Xbox One generation and moving forward. The size of the updates for these games are absolutely ridiculous and I don't think there will be such a preservation for those consoles. Like you said, the discs are more or less useless and aren't the full game. I think moving forward as much as I've never wanted to say it, PC gaming may be the way. We are going towards all digital anyways, Steam has the perfect platform and still sells older games, everything you need is right there. In 15 years when you want to play Call of Duty WW2, the servers will be down on console while you probably will be able to purchase the game from steam with the most updated patch right in one go.
Great comment and I think you are spot on. Not that we don't enjoy modern gaming but there are definitely drawbacks. It's going to be more for gaming in the moment as opposed to collecting. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
At least a lot of companies have been making remakes and ports, bringing older games into the future. But yeah, seeing the end of physical media that you can just pop in and play is pretty sad
All I’m gonna say is I’m 17 years old and I feel like I can have more interesting and entertaining conversation with you guys then people my age cause I play video games to have an experience and adventure not just to play online matches and level up cause I can but to each their own
Very good video! I agree with the points you made and have thought about this. I think game collecting will go the route of something like toy train collecting where it was once big but now just a niche thing.
I would consider Xbox 360 and PS3 retro. All the necessary updates are on the disc and I have only connected my Xbox 360 to the internet once to download some s*it that came with my Fable 3 Collectors edt.
VHS collecting is huge again, collecting games will always remain, it will just alter. As long as people are making new retro games and people are making physical versions of them I'll be happy. Happy New Year gentlemen.
This was very interesting! It is sad that eventually collecting will dissolve as time passes. Does anybody think the value of retro collecting items will continue to rise as it fades it becomes more rare?
4:57 yeah I'm afraid your right and that's stupid man. I have all my games for the newer consoles as a physical copy and eventually I think they will get collectable especially for the gamers that bought all there games digital because you can question yourself how many of them will still have access to there online accounts. People now a days already loose there passwords so imangine how it will be over 30 years. They sold there consoles and didn't use there account for ages so they have one option left, buy the console and a physical copy of the game because the online shop will not have the game available anymore to download 😉
When you were talking about PS3 collecting the thing that was going through my mind was: Boy am I glad I hacked my PS3. Preserving the 7th generation and onward depends on system hacking.
Waiting for my polymega to come in " eventually " but once is does, I'll just download all my physical media to it and then sell it all off. Probably time to do so.....? 🤔 Don't really want to, but this new generation just won't care for it like we do.
After 35 years of buying the newest console and games, the push for digital media, mandatory installs, updates, dlc, micro transactions and internet dependent games drove me to give up on the next generation from here on out. I’ve gone back to older consoles, primarily the PS2 for exactly that reason. I want an easy, pick up and play experience and the enjoyment of having the game in hand, the box art, having it on the shelf and knowing it’ll work every time.
I don’t see anything new ever giving us an experience like that again. Retro games and consoles will only become more valuable to me because of that. And fortunately, there’s many to choose from with huge libraries of games I’ve never played and many I’d be happy to play again. Merry Christmas guys.
Feel the same. Can't keep up anymore, especially with intermittent console upgrades/ revisions mid-life cycle. It will take me rest of my life getting through my backlog of deep, soulful retro games. I think every form of media means more when you're holding something physical.
Great points and the PS2 alone has enough to keep us busy for a life time. Such a great console. Hope you had a great Christmas man. Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid 100% agree. Same to you and your family/ loved ones.
Yeah, it seems consoles are now following the PC format. They have become almost PCs in a box. But thats to be expected as both companies, Sony and Microsoft are just hardware manufacturers and have never been game developers like Sega and Nintendo who approached video game hardware in a different way.
Ps2 games run in 1080i using GSM and component cables.
"Hey Mom, can I have a Google Stadia for Christmas?" - No kid ever.
LMFAO! We don't know one person who has one :). Gotta love it. Cheers!
I think you guys nailed it. I will always love throwing in a 16 bit game, and playing a 100% finished product right away. I can play it, get my fill, and play it again another day. I don't have to update, or install anything, I can just play.
Totally! Nothing is more frustrating than when you get 30-45 minutes to play a game and you get the dreaded update notification. Frickin sucks. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
Collecting retro games used to be a lot of fun back in the early 2000's...
Heck yea it was. Now with the scalpers and profiteers, it is really hard. There are a team of resellers in my area that take everything from garage sales, and sometime get there before the start time. I just can't compete and have to resort to driving 2 hours out of town to find any good deals.
No doubt. I got Chrono trigger and earthbound for about 85 bucks each around 2002. The good old days!
@@skitswithextramayo6371 lol good luck finding either of those for under $150
Although still possible to find some great deals on retro stuff they are few and far between. It is very time consuming to check local second hand shops all the time. Nowadays I splurge on something I really want instead of fighting resellers at markets or I just stick to modern stuff that’s readily available.
@@retrohavoc4700 in my old age I enjoy the convenience that the retro "Mini" provide. I've hacked the NES and SNES Minis, so I have access to pretty much every game I've ever wanted to play on both systems. After I get used to the input and audio lag I don't really notice or mind.
We said the same thing about music and yes it did drop off but look at vinyl sales now. My kids are teenagers and collect vinyl. I think the same for video games. Look at all the niche retro publishers releasing retro video game titles with an assortment of posters, stickers and special packaging. An audience of video gamers will always want the physical format.
Great input on the topic. It will be interesting to see the hobby evolve over time. Cheers!
Totally different concept. Vinyls don’t require day one updates to function, DLC codes to get the full package, half of the album isn’t digital… the physicality of gaming is dying quite fast and it’s dying faster than other mediums
Most of the retro packages that publishers are releasing are limited releases so that doesnt make things easier
Physical collecting is great.
Having a tangible product will always be better than digital.
Totally. Still have never figured out why digital is the same frickin price. It's a joke. Cheers!
In 10ish years there will be a critical mass transfer were all the games are in private collections & price with sky rocket for rare games
One more reason being a teenager in the 80's is totally awesome to the max.
Totally! Now I was born in '86 but feel like we were blessed to grow up in the era we did. Awesome times. Cheers!
80's was best, I was in high school in the early 80's and enjoyed all the vector based graphics arcade games like, asteroids, Battlezone, Tempest, etc, than the color graphics of, PAC Man, Dokey Kong, etc, that followed.
Growing up with a Gamecube and PS3 in my house, and having no access to a credit card yet, it was all about the physical copy for me. I always loved keeping cases on my shelf or even displaying those cases like a show-piece when I wasn't using them. Seeing them was a physical memory of some time of my life.
My interest in the PS2 when I was 13 (funny enough, I had a new PS4 at the time) might've bolstered my love for physical media. In the back of my mind I could remember walking into old stores and seeing PS2 games on shelves, brand new. One day I'll feel the same about PS4 games.
I'm still collecting physicals for my family's PS4 and PS5! Discs are king.
The NES brought friends and families together. Next Gen consoles are putting everyone in separate rooms/ homes. Growing up I was lucky to have an N64, now there's a system in every home.
It's definitely a different time. Speaking of N64, man that was a fun era. 4 player games on the same console. So many good memories. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
By the time someone feels nostalgic for a PS5 (possibly the last console with physical media), it will likely be well after our time (for many of us). The younger generations growing up all digital likely won't have that same desire for physical games, because it wasn't part of their experience. I look behind me at my game room and we have generations and generations of consoles with thousands of games none of us will ever be able to experience fully, so I don't really feel like we're going to lose out on something. People will find nostalgia where they experienced it. We were just REALLY REALLY fortunate to grow up in a time when we did.
You are spot on. I always say how glad I am to have grown up when I did. Seen a pre-internet world and then was able to watch it all unfold. Pretty awesome stuff. Cheers!
This topic makes me compare game collecting to my vinyl collection. I didn’t grow up in the vinyl era but I get drawn to the physical media and playing it the way it was meant to be. Likewise, the future will be filled with those retro game purists that will want to go back and experience the historical and hobby aspect of it. Long live video game collecting!! Cheers broskis.
That is a very good point my friend. The interesting thing will be if games will get new print runs like vinyl. Limited Run does that now and maybe there will be a larger market for that in the future. Time will tell. Cheers!
Playing ps2 in 1080i using GSM and component cables honestly feels like I have a new game console. Playing GTA. Maddens, Bully, games like this in 1080i on a 50inch HDTV looks beautiful. I collect ps2 games heavily now.
Very cool. We've never upscaled our PS2. Still rocking component cables through a Trinitron. Sounds like it looks fabulous though. Thanks a ton for watching and cheers to the good ol' PS2!
Really good points there which I also share and have been thinking about. The physical media era has ended with the PS3/360. I think the only redeeming factor with the PS4/XB1 era are the limited collectors editions of some games which came with a wealth of extras like art books, soundtracks, cards, posters and figures. Those editions will become highly sought after by collectors...but that's about it. The fact the entire game isn't on the physical media anymore is where the collecting ends.
Definitely agree. We enjoy current gen stuff for sure but aren't inclined to collect for the consoles. Cheers!
I just started collecting Wii U & Wii games during the lockdown. I don't regret a thing. Pretty soon, every game will be hidden behind DRM digitally. I hate needing internet to play what I paid for. Great video
It's a really fun time to collect for both those consoles. We think collecting for the Wii U will be insane at some point so now is the time. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
The only thing that hinders my collecting for future games is how massive these games are becoming that retailers might stick to digital because these disks don't hold that much memory anymore, there's mostly 10GB whenever you insert the disk, then you have to install 20 to 60 more GB from the internet. That's why my PS4 collection is so low while my PS3 and Switch hold 200 games that aren't 10GB each and digital. Once that happens all these physical games from Atari to now will skyrocket. Already happening with Nintendo stupidly cutting supply with 3D All Stars and Fire Emblem. I have them, but Jesus Christ they're gonna become diamonds in April 1st.
Nintendo with yet another head scratching move LOL! Glad we were able to snag 3D All Stars for sure. Great points made here. The digital age is here to stay. Cheers!
Everything you said about updates and patches and data is correct. People will still collect like crazy though. The hobby itself is an addiction for most.
You are probably correct. It's just hard for us to see a point in it when the discs for the most part don't contain the full game. But we're pretty old school lol. Cheers!
Been watching a ton of your videos lately, and my favorite part every episode is how you point at the beer in the intro.
Awesome man! Glad you are enjoying the vids. We really appreciate the support. Cheers!
Good stuff! First time here, can’t believe you guys don’t have more subscribers, you definitely deserve more. Keep it up!
Thanks for stopping by and for your kind words. Glad you found us. It's a grind out here as a small creator. Really appreciate your feedback and support but most of all glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid Keep on grinding because it’s definitely going to pay off ten-fold for you guys. It’s just getting the word out to the masses. I just shared your channel with a bunch of peeps. Binge watching you guys after work tonight with my son.
I’ve been thinking about this recently, you guys hit it right on the head. And I think you’re right, we just need to enjoy what we have while it’s here. Keep killin’ it guys!
Some really good points, this is why I love collecting for cart based systems from my childhood like the Megadrive and N64 😍 isopropyl alcohol every so often and I truly believe they'll last forever
They are hard to kill that's for sure. Very little issues with our cart based stuff over the years. It will probably last longer than us lol
I’m 18 and already got the nostalgia for the gc, ps2, n64, and Wii era of games/consoles. I just started collecting as well! Lol I must also be the reason why these games are so high in demand too.
That's awesome that you are into the retro scene and only 18. Very cool indeed. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
Fantastic video, fellas! The future of game collecting is an interesting quandary. People used to collect baseball cards, then action figures, then video games, sometimes all at once... but there’s always ‘something’ people collect. It may or may not be related to video games. Hard to predict, but really makes you think! Love hearing your perspectives... and yeah.. those updates on PS and Xbox are brutal 😂.
Hope all is well 🥂
Thanks man! Hope things are well on your end also. It will be interesting to see if gamers from this current gen have nostalgia for their games that is even in the ball park of what we had. I always feel so blessed that we grew up when we did. Hope you and the fam have a great 2021! Cheers!
I just came across the channel and I love it. Before watching this video I had the same ideas. I'm 16, and feel as if most of my generation is shifting or has shifted from physical games, retro games, etc.
I do agree to some extent. Current game collecting is at its peak. My theory is that future cart/disc game collecting will be all about sealed/plastic wrapped new-in-box games. The limited few collectors still out there want stuff that is in rare and pristine condition, museum pieces. Used, cart/disc-only, games will be essentially worthless junk. I would argue that the market for collectors will be so slim that it wont even support the value for complete-in-box games, causing even these to take a heavy dive in terms of value.
I collect for the NES, but at its current price point progression kinda slow at the moment. I do expect prices to come back down eventually and I plan to play through my games once I retire, so I am in no rush lol. Meanwhile I am picking up sealed PS3 and WiiU titles that are on the rare side of things - mostly because I cant help myself from addictive collecting. I suppose it is a gamble on future value development but I enjoy it and it is fun, which is all that matters to me. If my collection one day sells for 1 000 or 100 000 is up to younger generations to decide.
It's becoming more difficult to play retro games on a modern televisions. Will televisions even have an HDMI connection in the future? The Switch is unique in that you don't need a tv to play the handheld or tabletop mode.
Very true but there will always be some company out there making converters for us old retro geeks :). Cheers!
I see HDMI lasting for a while because the physical connector is still perfectly fine as tech advances. Current cables can do 8k 30fps which is overkill for an office PC and arguably for many TV's.
The long life of HDMI and the ubiquity of it makes me feel like it's going to last for a very long time. Most HDMI devices aren't portable so there's not an issue with the connector size.
Everything going to digital is one thing that I am not in favor of. I know that things evolve and get better, I just prefer physical. My internet is fine, I get close to 250-300 MBps (or whatever internet is measured in). I did not really get into gaming until 2 years ago, so that is one thing that I am going to miss. An game that I can get physical I do. Great content, happy holidays to you guys.
We totally prefer physical as well. We enjoy modern gaming a lot but it doesn't have the staying power for us that the retro stuff does. Thanks a ton for watching and happy holidays. Cheers!
Great topic, guys. I have put a lot of thought into this. I think future collectors will surprise us. Mainly because people love to collect things. Now, if physical games go away, there will obviously be nothing to collect. But outside of that, people will collect things. They just can't help themselves. Merry Christmas Wes & Rob!
Thanks guys! Hope you fellas are doing well and had a Merry Christmas! Cheers!
Planning to go through my PS4 collection and installing them all on HDDs so when the servers finally go down, I'll still be able to play
Loving the channel, just discovered it a couple weeks ago! Been bingeing ever since !
Glad to hear you are enjoying the content and glad you found us. We really appreciate your feedback and support. Cheers!
I clicked on the video to see that sweet Dunder Mifflin sweater, stayed for the games.
LOL! That sweater is epic :). Cheers!
I went back and 100% Final Fantasy VII on PS4 and the option to speed up that game and turn off random encounters really makes the game more playable today.
We still need to pick that one up. I want to play it for sure. Haven't played through the game since the PS1 days.
Im 17 years old but i completely agree with everything you guys said here. Im also trying to collect all the old consoles i never got to experience as well as for newer ones. In particular im trying to get my hands on all the 7th gen consoles with digital stores before they close. I think all i have left to get is the wii u. But still i gotta get the games soon before its too late. Also another concerning thing along with updates is DLC. Thats gonna be completely gone forever as well. It honestly scares me. And hearing the Wii being called a retro console kinda hurts ngl. I miss those days...
The market needs to crash...hard. Retro game collecting is no longer fun. It's pricepoints are insane.
Some are for sure. There are certain consoles we just avoid. The NES is coming down a bit and we are having a lot of fun collecting for the PS2 (is that retro lol?). Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
theres nothing like popping an gen 6 or earlier, game and having you favorite GamePro or EGM magazine from the era and a cold brew while you game on a glowing CRT TV in a dark room. Nothing modern can compete with that level of nostalgia and immersion.
100% agree! Those were the best of times! Cheers!
Your videos are pretty badass, glad I stumbled on one of your videos
Some games back in the day usually RPGs used to come with cloth maps....I miss detailed cloth maps or any material fabric maps.
Those were badass for sure. It today's landscape we're lucking to get anything inside the case other than the disc lol. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
what rpg's man? sometimes I play an old game, didnt know it came with maps and manuals if you get it in a box.
@@A42631 RPG's, short for Role Playing Games (zelda, final fantasy, etc). Not EVERY SINGLE game back in the day just came with a manual, some had a little extra like maps of the world of the game you were playing. Most maps would be made of paper, but a few rare ones would be made out of cloth or some other material, very detailed and colorful. I believe the game Lunar silver star story on ps1 had such a map but it might have been a collector's edition I think. Either way I miss my maps, cloth or paper.
Such a good point about patches needed! I am buying disc games from days gone by and so far all can update (XBOX 360+) but I better hurry up because updates won’t be around for long!
It was nice back when could just put a game in a play it with no updates! Cheers!
Honestly it think will become like vinyl,casettes,VHS.
Once the younger gen hits a certain age they tend to drag up nostalgic stuff and then there is a boom again.
You guys bring up so many great points here. I do like to collect current-gen stuff for Xbox One and my Switch but sometimes I become scared of what happens to these games way down the road when the servers get shut down. The fact is you're absolutely right, physical disks often come glitchy from AAA manufacturers and need patches to get them running right again. What do you do in the future if the servers are down and the updates are no longer available? The answer is to pray that you already had the game and have already applied the updates to it otherwise you're screwed.
I also believe retro collecting will come down to what brand the game is from rather than age. A good example of this is early 80s consoles like the Atari 2600 or ColecoVision. Those are older than almost anything else yet nobody seems to want them. Heck, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one on this planet who actually want the ColecoVision LOL. Anything from Nintendo will be collectible for a long long time, the Wii U might be exempt except to the hardcore fans but it'll still be collectible to some degree. Anything from Sega is also still collectible just because of its history. From Sony only the first two consoles seem to be truly collectible and surprisingly nobody really likes to collect stuff for Xbox despite its fantastic Library.
It is very odd how XBOX stuff isn't as collectable. We are glad though because it makes collecting for the OG XBOX fun :). Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid Oh for sure, the OG Xbox and the Xbox 360 are some of the best and cheapest console games to collect for at the moment. The most expensive OG Xbox titles usually aren't much more than $100 unless its a copy of Steel Battalion with that insane controller it needs. Plenty of games for other older consoles like PC Engine, Neo Geo and even the NES are much more expensive and hard to find. Xbox 360 titles aren't going up too far in price at the time of this comment so now would be the best time to get some of those games. Always looking forward to new content my bros! See you next time! :)
8:43 just described cyberpunk 2077, it’s very funny to think of someone playing that game in an Air gapped PS4
Enjoy it while it lasts indeed!! We've been telling people for years now that part of the reason the Wii and PS2 and the like have been shooting up in prices on their games is due to those kids that've grown up with them becoming young adults with disposable income and a hankering for nostalgia and they're buying up their childhood. And yeah, these are some of the last consoles to ever really have that pull of collecting with them because of the rush to digital gaming beyond them. That collector market for the systems that came after is going to shrink fast.
I also feel like the surge of flipping culture lately has really helped to dismantle the joy in collecting as well. Don't get me wrong, collecting can be an expensive endeavor and I've never had any issue with those who flip to put the funds into their collections, but the absolute flood of content out there that pushes this really drowns out the joy of collecting with so much focus being on what deals can one get and how much can they profit from that. The flipping culture has clearly inspired places like flea markets, thrift shops, and Goodwills to now price check their games at least to the point that a good deal is getting insanely hard to find at these places. I understand a specialty shop charging premium in that they have overhead and are combating online sales to be in business. But flea markets being used as cheap store fronts is so annoying. Goodwills, marking up on items they were DONATED. And in any instance at least with a specialty shop, if there's an issue with a game, I can return it to some capacity--you think a flea market will take back an untested game sold at a premium price?
Flippers are not doing any favors to the community for collectors, that's for sure. I don't like putting it so bluntly but the truth speaks for itself.
That's a tough one. It's like the chicken or the egg dilemma. If I didn't flip I wouldn't collect anymore. I can't get myself to pay $100 for Contra Hard Corps unless I can justify it through other means. The market was getting wild prior to the rise of flipping and has just continue to do so. Although it doesn't help the pricing structure and may hurt it a bit, it does show folks how to make some easy money so that they can collect on a budget. It's kinda like the "Hidden Gems" video debate. Did Metal Jesus inflate the market? Maybe temporarily. But he also maybe told us about 10-20 games we missed a long the way that we would have otherwise skipped. I think regardless of flipping or Metal Jesus the days of finding 8 bit and 16 bit carts at Goodwill are long gone. So it's either one gives in to eBay pricing and pay or fight the tough prices by taking a piece of the pie their self to redistribute to their collection. Just my long winded 2 cents lol :). Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid Um--it's your channel so I don't think you can ever be too long winded. Wedding Singer...microphone? Hello! lol
That's true with the chicken & egg analogy. There's always been that level of contention between collectors and resellers that seemed to have melded into a more acceptable title of flipping it seems. The former has begun to embrace the financial strides the latter had begun and for your exact reasoning that to afford the higher priced gems of the hobby you sometimes gotta make the hobby work for you.
Though when it comes to the enjoyment of collecting, through all the RUclipsrs I watch, there's an underlying theme of collection fatigue, except it's really come to shine as more collectors turn to flipping. That is, they've turned their hobby into work and find less enjoyment in it, which in turns spurs the copy & paste videos of discussion of why to still collect.
Or, it could just be for the clicks as the second perfect bait to T&A. What do I know?
Wife bought me Reuben's Brews BBIS 2020 Bourbon Barrel Aged Imperial Stout for Christmas. I'm watching this in the morning but I'll drink it later tonight, I'm pretty excited for it.
I still hold that disc rot is and inexorable inevitability that continues to worry me about my collection. Not only that, but older consoles are showing signs of their age. I've replaced 72 pin connectors in the NES and clock caps in the original Xbox but reballing a processor for the PS3 is an intensive process. This worries me because There will come a time when the only people able to play the old games on the original hardware will be collectors with the expertise to keep their consoles running. Every time a thumb stick gets chewed off a Game Cube controller, a kid throws it away instead of replacing it and playing the console becomes .00001% harder for the world. Every time a disc gets scratched beyond playability, it gets thrown away instead of resurfaced and the software becomes a little harder to find. Emulation is important for the community but I hope people make the effort to preserve what they can.
Hope that beer was epic man. It sounds good. You make very valid points here. The consoles that worry us is the disc based stuff. So many moving parts and the average Joe will toss them out for sure. Fingers crossed but we have yet to encounter disc rot. Hopefully that shit stays away for awhile. Hope you are having a great holiday season. Cheers!
The main thing is that the updates for the PS3 and 360 are WAY smaller than the ones for modern consoles. You could pretty easily have a .zip of the latest patch for every game (I don't remember if you can update games with a USB or just the console).
Also both have been hacked so getting the patches onto the console isn't that hard when the servers do go down. The 360 update/achievement servers in particular will likely have an extremely long life because of MS' backward compatibility on Xbox One (they need to have those patches in some form to generate the needed files).
Hopefully the homebrew community can preserve patches and updates once servers go down.
That's why it's mandatory to hack consoles when the generation ends. It's the only way to preserve these consoles.
Someone will fill the void for sure. It won't be as accessible to the average person but there will be a way. Cheers!
I still have quite a few video games to collect for systems going from the NES era to the PS3/360/Wii era. As far as continuing into this generation, I think that is it for me. Reason(s) being:
1. I noticed many games are not fully on the physical media. That is prevalent with Nintendo Switch titles.
2. More and more games are shipping in a broken state. Prior to DLC/Updates, the issues those games have would have been mostly resolved before being pressed to physical media.
3. Some games features and resolved issues are tied to online servers and once those servers cease to exist, you no longer have access to DLC/Updates, which enhanced or fixed those games unless you have a backup and/or you still have a working console.
4. Digital games and DLC are tied to console and accounts. If you download games, it is locked to your account.
5. Games are shipped bare minimum; No instruction manuals, no posters, no maps, no mini-strategy guide, no marketing inserts, no behind-the-scenes/making of, and no soundtrack.
6. I’m older and buying consoles nowadays hits differently than it did when I was in my teens.
I still love and my video games, but I am disappointed in the direction the game industry is going. I think the Nintendo Switch will be one of the go to consoles to retro collect for and the two biggest reasons are that, (1)Digital-to-physical releases are plenty & popular on a device like the Nintendo Switch not just because you get the opportunity to have a once digital-only game in physical form, but (2)being able to play on the go in handheld mode. Between those two and the fact that the Nintendo Switch uses cartridge instead of disc is yet another reason that will compel gamers to favor the Nintendo Switch as the system of choice for collecting.
Great points. We really focus on the same gens you are talking about for the same reasons. We still play newer stuff but aren't inclined to collect for the modern stuff. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid - Thanks for posting great content!
The ceiling for collecting for me probably peaks at the WiiU, maybe the switch eventually with its physical media (what there is of it). Being a Nintendo it becomes more collectable than a Sony/Microsoft etc due to nostalgia I feel (I'm 33 🙈). it's interesting to watch the Wii atm, as it cycles through from GameCube, but it's interesting as it creeps into the WiiU also. I do think however collecting for your PS1/2 and OG Xboxs will continue to grow due to Microsoft and Sony's consistency in the market, it'll always be there in some form retro video game collecting and I'll continue to do it until I can't no more! Great channel chaps keep up the solid work!!
I think you are correct. The Switch will probably the the last gasp for really going after physical media. The Wii market is interesting to watch for sure and really is surprising the hell out of us. Such a large install base yet Wii Sports is going for $20-$25. Doesn't seem to make sense lol. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
I feel you guys. One point I think wasn’t mentioned was straight up quality of games without regard to nostalgia. I’m saying SNeS prices probably aren’t dropping considering they have huge replay value and are peak gaming experiences. Will those type of quality games see a demise of price once the nostalgic crowd loses demand for it? Hard to tell, but you guys are on point with digital media clogging memory, and access to so many LONG games future kids who grow up will have even less time and way more to choose from in the present
I'll never stop buying the new consoles - my favourite gaming experiences are from the last 3 generations of consoles (360/XBOne). As much as I loved my NES (I'm 45 now), none of my nostalgia for those days matches the quality of gaming experiences I've had recently. There are a handful of NES/SNES games that I still adore, and will go back and play, but they're short plays and I'm good for a while.
I do collect for the Switch however as it's a blend of current gaming, AND Indie games with a nostalgic lens, but with modern quality of gameplay.
You say there won't be a nostalgic kick down the road from newer games, but that's incredibly near-sighted because nostalgia doesn't come from a poster included with the game, it's stems from the memory of everything that surrounded playing that game at that time and the emotions those memories evoke.
I agree with a lot of what you guys say, and I do think things will be very different 10-15 years from now. But with companies like limited run making physical versions of digital games, that does show there are enough people out there still passionate about physical media. It’ll definitely be different in the future, but maybe it won’t be all terrible
It will always exist on some level and for those of us who still enjoy it we'll still be able to collect. But it's going to be interesting to see how the landscape changes in the coming years. Cheers!
Great Hulk Hogan impression, by the way
if your parents got you google stadia for christmas, I am so sorry
I feel like with the scope of current and prev gen gaming, the costs to make a game based on a traditional release makes it very hard in comparison to the getting a budget for something that will be on gamepass.
Great point. We rarely buy any new releases any more. Mostly due to how quickly the prices drop but also they will also be on streaming services. Cheers!
My thoughts are ps4 and Xbox one aren’t going to be super collectible after servers go down and stuff however I think switch or atleast certain switch games are going to have that collector thing going for it after that idk
Ya the Switch being cart based is huge. Sure there are updates but for the most part the games are in a playable state out of the box. And Nintenders name being on it will undoubtedly make it collectable. Cheers!
Another great video thank you. Have a great Christmas
Thanks man! Hope you had a great Christmas and have a great New Year. Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid yep I hope you guys have a good new year’s!!
I was just thinking about some of the games I have for the Switch that are trilogies or collections themselves. For instance, I have Borderlands Legendary Collection, and is says right on the front cover, "Includes 3 games + add-on content." But when you insert the game cart for the first time, you find that only Borderlands 1 (Game of the Year Edition) is on the game cart. The other two games (Borderlands 2 and Borderlands The Pre-sequel) as well as all the DLC have to be downloaded.
There seem to be a lot of collections on the Switch that are like that. I think one of the Mega Man collections is just like that. Definitely annoying. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
I don't know that I can say anything you haven't said. It's sad, but it's just how things are going, not just with video games, but movies, music...shopping! It's coming real soon where second hand market won't even exist anymore.
The one silver lining is that companies know what the most popular franchises are. So remakes, remasters, collected and ultimate editions will be a thing for the foreseeable future. You can also look ahead and see what non-internet-centric games you're going to want to keep after the servers go down and make sure you have all the updates on your hard drive.
But yeah, the end of physical media has been coming for some time. Sad, but it's where we are.
Very sad indeed. We just feel blessed to have grown up in the generation that we did and for the moment we can still enjoy the hunt for nostalgia. But the clock is ticking for sure. Cheers!
There will always be collectors of anything at a given point, but we've reached the peak in terms of mass popularity.
My generation( 80s/90s kids) and older have families in many cases and probably starting to phase out of it, or at least we have most of what we want. I've actually started to curate my collection over the past year. Just this month alone I've sold in excess of 50 games across multiple platforms. Not a 'ton' to those who have collections in the thousands but still, I look at my own reality at 43 and say 'do I want all this stuff? Am I using all this stuff? Where am I gonna be in a decade, am I really gonna be here at 50+ trying to sell off NES/SNES? To whom? Generations after me dont care about those weird looking carts like I did.' Some existential collecting realities hit you as time marches on.
Know what I did today? While people are out there blowing a grand on scalped PS5s I bought a $25 NES classic and fired up Ninja Gaiden, which is one of the 50 aforementioned games I sold recently( along with the rest of my small number of NES titles). Merry Christmas to me. I'm at the 'this is good enough stage' where emulation isnt a dirty word, and I don't 'need' the physical representation anymore in all but the most personal favorites.
My gen grew up with physical media being very prevalent: 8 tracks, VHS, cassette tapes, CDs, game carts. There was a tactile experience in particular with the latter as far as gaming went, blowing into the carts and system in particular. That was part of it. These experiences have slowly whittled away as we've moved to digital downloads and online gaming, which has made the hobby far more impersonal than before. For many of todays kids, gaming is simply a download away, so there is no reason for them to amass tons of plastic in their personal spaces. There is no connection to the physical media as it was for past generations. Also bear in mind that games nowadays ship incomplete and are in essence beta copies, as the game post launch often has gigs of content to bring it up to standard. You also, at least with Xbox and PS, are installing the game to an HDD at which point the disc merely acts as an authentication tool which you raised in the vid. Beyond the idea of 'ownership' the practical reasons for having a physical game are getting less and less.
I also feel theres a larger picture here. We have to look at how the world is trending. People today have less buying power than before, and I think the mentality that drove, for example, wanting a complete CIB NES collection won't be there. I think future gens will be more interested in acquiring memories and not 'stuff'. Watch out for the anti-consumption/ minimalist movements slowly creeping in over the coming years.
You guys deserve more subs. Great discussions and content delivery. Happy holidays!
Awesome comment man and great insight. I think you nailed it. Happy Holiday's to you as well and thanks for your kind words. Cheers!
I'm not sure if the anti-consumption movement will affect retro games or movies because those games have already been made and the plastic made and used. A collapse of the retro market would create a lot more waste as people throw away games instead of selling them.
Games and movies also offer a huge amount of entertainment relative to their physical size, unlike something like an action figure or knicknack.
Great video! Some great points there. I agree!
Thanks a ton! Hope you had an awesome holiday. Cheers!
Its becoming increasingly difficult to justify collecting physical copies since some games are online only and the disc will become worthless after the servers are shut down, not to mention digital sales often have games at lower prices than physical sales.
Totally get it. We are officially in the digital age. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
2 things I've notice. My nephew is 8 and all he ever wants to play on the (switch) is only games online Fornite etc.. My own dauther who is 7 has access to my collection over 1500 games and 8 systems...she played NES and PS1 and said this is too hard.. And started watching gameplay in RUclips insted of playing...
I think that the future of game collecting will be the past reborn, much like the love of vinyl. Here's why. Right now I collect games I played as a kid or games that hold some historical significance. My daughter's play these games more often than the games on later consoles. If I'm not the only one doing this, then in 20 years we'll be looking at a resurgence of NES through PS2 era game collecting. As long as the physical media is around it will have these waves in games.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the nostalgia for the modern stuff or if it will stay in the "Retro Scene" as we know it today. Time will tell. Hope you had a great holiday man. Cheers!
I have been out buying games for my sons for Christmas, though I have to take them with me now to make sure that haven’t already downloaded it on EA Access or Xbox pass ultimate. ‘We’ve got that dad on DLC’, and they are six and 9. If that doesn’t tell you physical games are dead nothing will
LOL! That's awesome that you are doing that though so they can play day one as opposed to watching a status bar for hours. Man don't you just miss the days when you could pop the cartridge in and you were ready to rock? Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid yeh those were the days you actually saved up for a game, I remember renting them from blockbusters, plus they download everything, the filled the 500gb internal, so I got a 1tb external and slotted it in the back, a week later i checked it and it was almost full already!
It was when I bought Tony hawk pro skater 5 and found out that the disc basically didn't have anything on it is when I knew retro collecting was dead beyond the older consoles.
Also Merry Christmas guys!
With Tony Hawks Pro Skater 5 getting average scores of of around 32% & feels like a re-skinned Goat Simulator I can't see how they could not fit it all on the disc!
The Tutorial was only on the disc and the rest was a download. I think it's pretty likely Activision rushed the game out to meet a contract deadline.
Some companies are a total joke!
Hope you had a Merry Christmas as well. The old stuff is where it's at for sure. Damn internet :). Cheers!
Just found your channel but I’m 20 and play almost purely offline games, such as Fallout 4, Fallen order etc and I’m going back to collect many older games such as Star Wars star fighter. I don’t really collect the games for the disc, I mostly get it for the box art
Very cool! Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
Can't be any more right. I've got two kids and every time they open up a new toy I think of me opening up the new TMNT figure or whatnot and I think to myself is something like this going to be nostalgic to them 20 years from now? Like do I try to save the packaging for them? Lol the collector in me wants to keep everything as pristine as possible.
I'll never forget the day my mom made me throw out all my boxes to my N64 playstation 2 and whatnot. I don't want to be that kind of parent! I guess only time will tell lol. Cheers brothers 🍻
Have you ever read about the lady who threw out her son's video game collection? gamerant.com/mom-throws-away-half-million-worth-games/
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@@Wes36Man that is horrific!
Damn dude! That sucks. We've all got horror stories but that one is rough. Dare I ask what games you had that were lost? Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid all my n64 game boxes went in the garbage immediately but what I saved was my console boxes. Snes n64 ps2 ps3 xbox360. All trashed when she went into my closet and said they're taking up too much room. Rip
You guys deserve more subs
Well thank you. Much appreciated. It's a grind as a small channel in the gaming scene for sure. Cheers!
I’m going to call you guys Super video-game brew brothers!!! Holy cow you guys are on point with the beer reviews!! Those goose island bourbon county imperial Stout‘s are off the hook!!! Have you guys had the one that comes out on Black Friday?
Yes sir! So tasty! We like the nickname! Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid when are you guys going to do a beer review on New Hollands Dragon’s Milk !! I will buy you guys the first round 🍻. Cool show!!
If collecting in general dies off maybe the high priced games will come down in price and will be way more affordable for people who are still collecting or want to pick up the games from their childhood especially with companies releasing mini consoles and rereleasing older games on the newer consoles i couldn't see many people wanting to go back to play the og demon souls on ps3 when they can pick up the ps5 version merry Christmas to you both
The Mini Console situation we figured would impact the market more. It seemed to a little bit at first but it seems to have bounced back. Crazy to us. We were thinking we'd be able to start getting some games on the cheap again :). Hope you had a great Christmas. Cheers!
And THIS is the reason im not going to buy a PS5/XboxSX! I cant accept that when they turn off the servers i will lose every game i paid for. Not on my watch! I rather buy oldskool stuff then the new.
It is very frustrating for sure. We probably will get a PS5 at some point but aren't in a rush. We'll wait a few years at least. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
I already have been bothered with this digital only and internet only situation with gaming awhile back which is why I started collecting alot of my favorite games and consoles I once had. I have a PC and when I got it I didn't like the fact of everything being digital and having to be connected to the internet to play MY games that I bought with MY own money. Even when I did find hard copies of games it was only the box with a code inside of it to be downloaded via Steam,GOG etc that's why I barely buy games for my PC like I do for my consoles because I get to buy physical media. But the way things are looking I'm planning on getting out of the collecting with all these prices sky rocketing in games and such. I do plan on getting a PS5 tho around fall or winter time.
Kids that only play online multiplayer, will have nothing to look back on in 10 years.
When those servers go down, then they will have nostalgia for something that doesn't bexist anymore.
What if updates, become unlockable and can be downloaded and stored on external storage devices so that if you need a patch, you can install it after the servers go down? Is that a thing?
I believe that the games of today do not and will not have the same lasting impact of games from 30, 40 years ago. I can say this about all forms of entertainment. My favorite gaming mascot, Pac-Man, turned 40 this year and he will still be an icon in another 40 years from now. Games released decades ago had more character and charm, thus it's easy for us to recall the details and memories of playing these games when we were younger. I have difficulty recalling certain details of games during the seventh generation, as that is the most recent one that I have played games for. Older games were designed to be simple to play, but hard to master. Contra is an excellent example. Today's games can over complicate things, in terms of learning the ropes, and once you are done, you look back and think that it was such a chore to get through, which is why we are reluctant to re-visit them.
I was not aware of al the downloads that have to be done for disc-based games during the recent generation, as I did not and will not buy a PS4 or Xbox One. The online dependency of modern games, certainly reduces their collectability over the long run. My gripe with all digital media is that it feels so temporary. Right now, I am considering cancelling my Netflix subscription at the end of the year, because of the amount of content that is being removed and the limited amount that is available to begin with.
You make very good points here for sure. The aspect of retro games that one can always get a little better. I've been playing Super Mario Bros and many others for 30 years and I still am always trying to out run my prior play through. The staying power is epic. Something modern stuff just doesn't do for me. Cheers to keeping it retro!
Great Channel new subscriber here! Keep it coming 💯👊🏾👊🏾
Thanks a ton! We really appreciate the support and are glad you are enjoying the vids. Cheers!
I LOVE bourbon barrel beers. If I can find this locally I will definitely pick some up!
We do as well :). One of our favorite styles for sure.
For collecting, at least in my area, getting old games cheap has pretty much dried up. I have a sizeable collection but I often wonder if I should sell in the near future in case 5 or 10 or 15 years from now it isn't worth anything.
It's drying up everywhere. We still get lucky from time to time but it's nothing like it used to be. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
0:54 that bottle sounded pretty empty Spartan 😆
Lol!!! It sure does :)
Great video guys 🍻
Thanks a ton man! Cheers!
Very interesting discussion. As an Xbox 360 fan, I'm collecting current. Some games are already dead, but i love the console. I'm going for a full set. However, my peers do not do this despite most of them having one in past.
I used to play quake1, quake2, quake3 online multiplayer, you can't really get online multiplayer retro experiences back. But let's hope the offline stuff remains playable at least.
That is the tough part with online based games. Once the community disperses to something else the charm is kinda gone forever. They are great in the moment but leave very little to go back to. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
optimistic future (and my personal vision) - peripherals, controllers, mods and accessories will unlock the potential of old platforms like in car culture and vintage cars. You’ll be able to get a steering wheel, light gun, fishing rod, motion tracker, or fight stick for any game, and you can buy a software key like you buy a song on iTunes. Public libraries will let you borrow certain physical copies for preservation.
Pessimistic future- the rarity of physical media will make a market so highly inflated that like artwork, it’s more reasonable to display a copy than risk damage to an authentic. Think about all the super expensive rare games at the used video game store right now and how long it’ll take before someone plays it and how often they will play it.
I've been saying this for a while now. It sucks. It's not just video games its nostalgia as a whole for the upcoming generations. Basically everything they have as a child is digital. I know some kids that never even had a toy car or babydoll as a child 🤯
Merry Christmas guys!!
Merry Christmas to you as well. A day late but hope you had a good one! Cheers!
With what happing with Playstation Store, i think it make people realize little bit more about having Physical Collections vs Digital. Also with places like Limited Run and other Companies, bringing REMAKES with full games on the discs. Is main reason i am still buying every game that is interesting, cause its full games on discs.
I think PS3/Xbox 360 will be the cut off point. As someone who lives in the country with terrible internet and in the past sometimes no internet access, PS3/360 games in my experience were still usually quite playable without updating. If the hard drives stand the test of time, I think people that are collecting now could get the updates they need and still be good in the future. As for the homebrew community like others have said, hopefully there will be some preservation for these updates. That being said I think it will be completely different with PS5/Xbox One generation and moving forward. The size of the updates for these games are absolutely ridiculous and I don't think there will be such a preservation for those consoles. Like you said, the discs are more or less useless and aren't the full game. I think moving forward as much as I've never wanted to say it, PC gaming may be the way. We are going towards all digital anyways, Steam has the perfect platform and still sells older games, everything you need is right there. In 15 years when you want to play Call of Duty WW2, the servers will be down on console while you probably will be able to purchase the game from steam with the most updated patch right in one go.
Great comment and I think you are spot on. Not that we don't enjoy modern gaming but there are definitely drawbacks. It's going to be more for gaming in the moment as opposed to collecting. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
At least a lot of companies have been making remakes and ports, bringing older games into the future. But yeah, seeing the end of physical media that you can just pop in and play is pretty sad
That is what I always tell people when I talk about this new digital age but I start to sound like a conspiracy theorist or something
LOL! Well there are still a few of us out there who understand :). Cheers to keeping it retro!
GTA Vice City was the BOMB! I love that game, what a great experience for the time.
All I’m gonna say is I’m 17 years old and I feel like I can have more interesting and entertaining conversation with you guys then people my age cause I play video games to have an experience and adventure not just to play online matches and level up cause I can but to each their own
That's awesome to hear! Thanks for hanging with us older dude :). We're not that old but I do feel like it some days. Cheers!
I love collecting video games now and forever
Same boat for sure. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
Very good video! I agree with the points you made and have thought about this. I think game collecting will go the route of something like toy train collecting where it was once big but now just a niche thing.
Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed. It will be interesting to see what the future holds for game collecting for sure. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
Lovin’ the hardcore music btw. Do you guys ever do thrash crossover? I recommend the band power trip
I would consider Xbox 360 and PS3 retro. All the necessary updates are on the disc and I have only connected my Xbox 360 to the internet once to download some s*it that came with my Fable 3 Collectors edt.
VHS collecting is huge again, collecting games will always remain, it will just alter. As long as people are making new retro games and people are making physical versions of them I'll be happy. Happy New Year gentlemen.
Happy New Year to you as well. Things tend to be cyclical for sure. Hopefully if it dies down a bit we can see some cheaper prices :). Cheers!
This was very interesting! It is sad that eventually collecting will dissolve as time passes. Does anybody think the value of retro collecting items will continue to rise as it fades it becomes more rare?
4:57 yeah I'm afraid your right and that's stupid man. I have all my games for the newer consoles as a physical copy and eventually I think they will get collectable especially for the gamers that bought all there games digital because you can question yourself how many of them will still have access to there online accounts. People now a days already loose there passwords so imangine how it will be over 30 years. They sold there consoles and didn't use there account for ages so they have one option left, buy the console and a physical copy of the game because the online shop will not have the game available anymore to download 😉
We’re definitely on the same sheet of music. Physical all the way. Thanks for checking out this vid, it’s an oldie. Cheers!
Bro you know nobody wants a Stadia hahaha
LOL! At this point we don't know a soul who has one :). Has zero appeal to us.
When you were talking about PS3 collecting the thing that was going through my mind was: Boy am I glad I hacked my PS3. Preserving the 7th generation and onward depends on system hacking.
We definitely need to that to ours. We've done a good job of backing things up but haven't hacked it yet. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid it's also a great way to get discontinued games like TMNT: Turtles in Time Reshelled and Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.
Love earl grey tea, gonna have to try that beer out. 🍻 🎮
It was damn good. We weren't sure what to expect but it delivered. Cheers!
Waiting for my polymega to come in " eventually " but once is does, I'll just download all my physical media to it and then sell it all off. Probably time to do so.....? 🤔
Don't really want to, but this new generation just won't care for it like we do.
That Polymega is very interesting. Expensive but definitely very cool. You'll have to hit us back and let us know how you like it. Cheers!