FOR REAL THOUGH! Like I understand that it's technically old and outdated, they are heavy and inconvenient. The average end user doesn't want them which is why while it's slowly becoming progressively harder, you can still find them for free on craigslist, Facebook market place, or just sitting out on the curb because someone set it out for the dump truck to haul off. They're definitely a niche, but there are so many products for very niche use cases out there the fact that there is absolutely NO company out there still making CRT's when it's pretty common knowledge that the retro gaming community still highly values and demands them is STAGGERING. Lat year I paid $500 for a 32 inch 1440p 165hz computer monitor. I would absolutely and HAPPILY pay the same price for a 13 inch CRT TV with native HDMI input as well as composite and component inputs. Doesn't even HAVE to be HD, just as long as it can input HDMI without having to convert digital to analog and introduce latency, I'd be happy. (using an HDMI to Composite adapter to connect my Nvidia Shield TV box to my current 13 inch CRT TV+VCR Combo unit is GREAT for watching old media, gaming, not to much because latency)
Yeah I'd do this if I still had a CRT lmao. The problem is that I don't have one anymore and people are starting to recognize how rare their CRTs actually are making it difficult to get one for free.
After over a decade of looking, I found one 4 doors up from my house at the end of their driveway at 6 am on Sunday. My hangover nearly jumped out of my body.
the cheap crt's around here are the 34" widescreen crt's... and I know why, cause I owned one once, it is superheavy and big so hard to get into your car, and its like 50kg. Also a headsup, I used mine to game on for a while, but many games textrendering are too small, so it is impossible to read what it says.
Okay....... INCREDIBLE VIDEO. I really really really want a CRT. I don't think I can afford a TV CRT, so going to start looking for an old PC CRT. Please make more content like this, I could watch stuff like this forever.
I dont know if this is the case for you where you live, but when I look at places like facebook market place or craiglist, I often find that you can find people getting rid of CRT TVs for 20 bucks (or some in my area are literally free pickup) - whereas CRT monitors are often now understood to be worth actual money. Good luck on your search!
You're likely to see GOOD CRT monitors cost MORE than TVs not less, and for good reasons. Ignore the idiots trying to sell consumer TVs for Trinitron wideboi monitor money because they saw one DF video. They're just that.
I don’t often watch videos on my iPad, and the one time I do it I end up watching a video in 4:3 by accident, the perfect fit, made it feel extra authentic ahah, nice touch
I have a diamond, it's a Samsung Syncmaster 955DF VGA CRT monitor. 1856x1392 res, 0.20mm phosphor size and dot mask. Legit digital 1440p clarity and no aliasing, text is extremely sharp. Samsung dynaflats are godlike image quality, no convergance issues, no geometry, it reminds me of a current Samsung QD OLED for color accuracy.
This was a fun and awesome video to watch lul. I never expected to find videos that has this kind of style of gaming until I saw your video! It's refreshing and fun always lul!
watching this on desktop in the old square youtube formatgave me new life lol, took me right back to watching old playthroughs back in the late 00's and early 10's
That 8" CRT at the end is the most "Blade Runner" setup ever. I instantly could Invision that little TV being in one of the Police offices where they scan their eyes & do the tests
This could be a shout. My old PS3 has all the PS1 games available on it. It's connected to my CRT and I use a PS4 controller. So smooth especially with Resident evil 2. Getting those old vibrant colors back is a breath of fresh air
A 2009 PS3 slim has to be hooked up to a 2009 Full HD Panasonic Plasma. No excuse not to.... If you ever think the CRT has vibrant colours, try the Pana.... Nicest thing is, these are like 20 bucks nowadays, I even got one for free. Pop in Katamari Forever, and you laugh hard at anyone with a CRT.
damn dude, love the film grain and 4:3 setup on your vids! I would recommend turning off your camera's autofocus during those shots because the focus throwing is really ruining the vibe!!! great vid also :)
Loved this, cheers, these games really do look the business on CRTs, the perfect input fidelity doesn't hurt either, can make a game that doesn't really feel very good on an LCD/OLED, feel like a lot of fun to play otherwise, raster-scan is just made for video games.
Good job actually making this video in 4:3 aspect ratio! I'm always disappointed when people make videos about retro films or games and they're still 16:9. I wanna watch them on my 4:3 monitor, dammit! :D
The detail of the video being 4:3 is fantastic. I really think if a company started making modern, super high-quality CRT's like the studio Sony ones that everyone wants, they'd make some damn good money. If they competed in terms of price and stock with originals, they'd have a huge business opportunity, plus it'd likely stabilize the vintage crt market prices.
so glad to hear someone else having issues with the steam home button at low resolutions. i had to turn the resolution further up than i needed to. on the current beta branch it's closing the quick menu as soon as i let go of the A button too but that may be unrelated. Biggest issue i have had with this kind of setup has been the steam ui itself not liking it, but even with the issues i think i have the same adapter for a tv and its literally been how i play games now since I got a crt again its AWESOME
yellow taxi goes vroom. great video btw! I've collected a few CRT tvs and monitors over the years at my computer shop.. i need to play with the 16:9 crt that we got "recycled"
Great video, I've been rocking similar results. I have a Gateway EV910 monitor I use for many things, but primarily, Dreamcast, Steam Deck (or other USB-C video) and an Raspberry Pi with OSMC (gotta get those classics streaming). My setup is just the VGA cable and a female-to-female DB-9 adapter when I hook up the Dreamcast. For the PI and Steam Deck, I have a dual HDMI to VGA adapter, and I have a nearly Sony receiver I just tap with 3.5mm for the audio. Works wonders (SteamOS notwithstanding. I have to switch to a nested desktop and switch the audio source manually before I launch any games).
Dude what a coincidence. I’m planning to get a steam deck to hook up to my BVM D24! Although I will probably use my HD fury 3 cable which works excellent to hook up my other HDMI consoles to the BVM.
At first, I would only use CRTs for old content or video games. Now, I find myself using CRTs as my main display type, aside from my phone or laptop. I'm pretty far down the rabbit at this point. I appreciate the Video being in 4:3; it gives it that extra retro look. I've been watching this on a CRT monitor pretty refreshing to find 4:3 content on RUclips. Keep up the good work!
The fact that the pc version of some of those retro collections don't support 4 by 3 resolutions is so sad. I got a old crt I use to play some games on it, and I better emulating those games. ... I do realize that most of those collections are emulations, but you get my point.
first video I've came across of yours, was super good. loved all the detail. I just sold a 27" CRT for space, actually. Though it didn't have any decent inputs so not a huge loss.
Great vid. I play a lot of steam deck docked to my Compaq CRT monitor. I’ve noticed the same issue where the in game overlay won’t come up, and I think it’s tied to display resolution. If I set the display to 1280x1024 it comes up, but not anything lower. Also I use a USB-C dock which allows for charging and display out and use a HDMI to VGA adapter for the video. It’s definitely a great experience for classic games and retro indies and even a handful of newer AAA games like Lies of P that have native 4:3 support
as someone who has the same menu problem using a steam deck on a crt, i noticed it only happens when you're at a lower resolution like 480p or 600p, it works in 4:3 once you set the resolution to 720p or higher really hope valve fixes this someday, it's been a blast playing modern indie games like gravity circuit on a display like this
Did know you had this other channel. I watched this on my VGA CRT although to be fair I was already using it for general PC useage so I just happened to stumble on it. Looks fantastic in 4:3. I did use my Deck once on the VGA CRT though I've done far more gaming with my gaming laptop as 60fps feels so smooth on them thanks to their motion clarity being unmatched. One tip I like to do is match the pixel resolution, which is possible on a VGA CRT. I got Sea of Stars working at native resolution and I can't tell you how good it looks. The game runs natively at 640x360 meaning if you play the game at 640x480, you can get pixel perfect scaling and the effect cannot be unbeaten
I have a vga trinitron monitor. I hooked the dock to a generic hdmi to vga adapter and it works perfectly (but you have to adjust the screen size to a 4:3 aspect ratio). Pair that with a wireless controller and you got the perfect emudeck setup. VGA monitors are also way cheaper than rgb/scart compatible screens, and a steal compared to pvm's/bvm's
The gaming mode on the Steam Deck (Gamescope-Session) and Wayland in general needs a better way of adding custom resolutions and refresh rates. The thing is that Gamescope passes through it's own custom EDID, and only on X11 can you use xrandr to easily add custom resolutions. On Wayland, this is pure hell. I'd like to use my CRT monitor at 160Hz in 480p, and even have some way of setting stuff up like 240p for RetroArch and stuff (for authentic scanlines), and KDE Plasma is the only DE (Windows requires an ancient GPU and modded drivers to even get 240p to work) that can do anything lower than 800x600. It would be really neat if there was a protocol put in place that RetroArch could hook onto which could automatically switch the display resolution without manually switching it in the case that a emulated game requires a very specific resolution to display correctly.
I use a CRT TV and Monitor to run classic games through emulator. A good workaround I have found is running Steam Deck at 720p 16:9 output , setting emulated games to 16:9 in emulation options and then setting Steam Deck scaling option to Stetch. So it scales to full screen and looks exactly like 4:3 without any Game Mode menu issues.
i like how similar this is to the way i got a win gpd 2 a while ago and immediately started looking for the right adapter to hook it up to a random crt i got from my schools old unused stuff wherever place, and that allows me to get all those sm64 romhacks and everything on there, also i get to use it with my regular pc like i am right now also there is a program called cru, for pc crt monitors in windows 10-11, it lets you adapt the refresh rate and resolution to the monitors full capacity unlike the windows configuration which may not detect these specs. So you can make the display look good while using a regular adapter i dont know if you could get anything like that on the steamdeck, but yea just in case you ever need that
I was expecting a 1999 online game browsing/buying/installing experience, not just a weird screen hookup to modern steam consoles. I plan to do recreate a "1985 Steam experience"..... Back then our home computer had to get all games online, you paid Hfl 10,- a month for access, and a small 10ct fee per phone tick to get as many games as you liked.... Well, the total library including non-games was maybe 250 titles, but anyway, it was very cool.
I'm totally digging this! Love my Steamdeck, especially since it doesn't have horrid Windows, and is the closest to a console like experience for PC on the go. Speaking of which, I also abandoned the consoles with their broken games (or no games), heavy monetization, and incomplete is the norm attitude. Games made for modern audiences also don't interest me. So, like yourself in the video, I've rolled to older titles or indies and there's thousands to choose from. We're not talking about emulation yet but if you ever do, you could go down a deep rabbit hole. Goes to show you can have a fantastic experience with the Steamdeck, power isn't everything. For me - I'm uninterested in current games coming out lately, so I roll back to tried and true classis with no issues, which the Steamdeck plays with no issues.
I happen to own a Dell CRT monitor and a Sony Trinitron CRT television downstairs in my house. I’ll admit, the setup with my Steam Deck looks kinda shitty on my CRT television most likely due to the setup, the one I use to watch anime from the 90’s and 2000’s on and use my PS2 on, but it looks perfect on my Dell monitor as it calibrates perfectly to it connecting my Deck to it (I have a dock btw, that being a third party dock) and audio being output to an external set of speakers (my CRT monitor doesn’t have audio support btw) and it is awesome. Being able to play stuff like Kamui on my monitor rotated on its side is a dream come true I tell ya.
I recently did something similar with my ROG ALLY. Got it hooked up to a Toshiba 4:3 480i tv via Svideo. Does it look terrible yes. But I love scan lines and native 4:3 aspect ratio for games like Doom Eternal and Battlefront 2. Also the tv supports component but only 480i component. Should I bother switching to component or stay on SVideo for 480i?
Can this become a series where you try out games new and old. On steam deck in these fashions just use whatever display you want. New games is cool because there are games on here I didn't know about and would love to try now. I've become inspired to do a very similar setup in my game room.
I would like to play my Steam Deck on my 32 inch Sony Trinitron and play games like Marvel Vs Capcom 2 Collection that just came out. I've always wanted a PVM, would be interested in purchasing one (little poor at the moment but can't pass up the chance).
Great production value, only criticism is you've squashed all the direct-feed gameplay footage to fit your 4:3 aspect ratio. Doesn't look great! Maybe go for a crop next time? Or some neat borders
I wonder if the Steam + B shortcut to close a game would work when the menu isn't opening. Though admittedly this shortcut doesn't always work for me even at normal resolutions. The other thing that comes to mind to close a game is to ssh in from another device, try to find the process in htop, and send a kill signal. Not ideal, of course, but I'd do it before holding in the power button to hard power it off. I would suggest reporting the issues you ran into to Valve, maybe on the gamescope repo. If you like Gauntlet I would recommend Hammerwatch, the first one with the old engine/art style/controls before they modernized it a bit. By default you face the way you're moving which allows it to be played with an arcade controller or something like the first PS1 controller, or keyboard-only. (maybe not SNES controllers, I think you want all 4 shoulder buttons for binds)
havent connected my steam deck to my crt, but i have hooked up my switch to it. sound is amazing and gives a warm feeling to the game. but once i got an oled it was pretty hard to go back lol still play my ps3 on the crt though.
This might be a dumb question, but have you heard of Marco Retro? A good chunk of his channel is dedicated to getting modern hardware to display on CRTs through downscaling, it might be useful to check out some of his reviews/guides to fix some of those games that get finicky at low resolutions/odd aspect ratios.
Yeah the steamdeck 4:3 mode is bugged. It's still bugged if you use the steamdeck itself to open the menu. It incorrectly layers the menu underneath the game. It's been a problem since shortly after steamdeck released and Valve has taken no interest in fixing it over two years.
Try BallisticNG as well! It supports both modern rendering techniques and a "ps1" style emulating Wipeout 3 from back in the day. It's a blast to play on a CRT TV~
the Steam menu's not showing up is not to do with the 4:3 as it is the resolution is too small for the OS to draw them on top of the game I imagine, I use a cheap HDMI to AV converter and if I set the steam to 480p those menus will not display but if I set it to 2x that resolution or 960p the pop-up menus show up just fine without issues.
Ya gotta set the deck UI resolution to high rez 4:3 it cannot be native rez of the crt, and then manually scale the UI to fit your display. now the steam ui should show up when pressed. I had to mess around like crazy to figure it out
Great video and you honestly gave me Ideas for my old CRT tv and my deck. quick question but how did you record the CRT screen without those crazy scan lines going all over the place?
I moved my living room PC to a CRT rolling cart. I mention this as I am primarily running linux booting right into big picture steam and the steam menus just go not show up on a 4:3 display. This is with desktop steam. So it appears to be a problem they will need to address at some point.
They exist, they just aren't easily accessible. Especially since the mainstream use case would *require* a scaler built-in, which we don't want when doing our own scaling.
@@lostsaves do you know a specific one that exists? I might be able to make one work for my purposes. I basically just wanna be able to play old 4:3 media (movies/TV) from a modern device on a consumer CRT.
Anyone wanting to do this without a steamdeck maybe something more dedicated, Bazzite with it's KDE DE is the way to go as emudeck doesn't play with other DE's very well.
I watched it happen. CRTs on big trash day set out with “works, free” only to to find the power cables cut off from dudes collecting scrap in high capacity mad max style Nissan pickup truck beds… years later I still think - damn…
Ive been trying to do this myself but run into an issue when attempting to output Steam deck directly to the CRT. I assumed it was due to the lowest res possible from the deck was 480p but my set is 480i max. I tried using a scaler but no luck. I was able to use my Steam Link via scaler to stream the deck but that of couse doesnt look amazing through network compression + latency.
at 11:30 you said you were going to talk about fixing the janky interlacing, dot crawl and flicker im having a lot dot crawl and janky interlacing on my snes mini running retro arch being converted to a 4:3 sony crt and im trying to figure out how to fix it. side note it cuts off a small part of the edges of the screen.
Great video 👍- A little off-topic, but I've always wondered: Would uploading in 8K help with RUclips compression, even if the source material is less than 4K?
Yes and no! I used to do it more, but with my heavier effects and color grading it's just not worth it compared to exporting in a less lossy format like ProRes. (The source video was 200GB that I uploaded for this!) 8K transcodes get insane bitrates on RUclips's end, but virtually no one would be viewing in that format, and the lower-res transcodes aren't benefitted. So better for me to just upload the best format I can, as ProRes preserves all the grain and detail without artifacting better than upscaling. (Also all of my b-roll was shot in native 8K anyway hah)
Bah, I have to jump in again: Dark Void ZERO was a promotional tie-in game for the newly released Dark Void that was released for the DSi. It was a very tongue-in-cheek nod at a "What if this series originally began on the NES and is an all-time CAPCOM classic?" kind of deal. It was cute, and fun, but it was not any sort of inspiration for the original game.
oh neat video to be recommended, haven't watched yet but i did something similar, using an HDMI to VGA to composite converter so now i'm just curious how you'll do it :p
i love the steam deck. especially docked, when nothing works. so today i tried to play play the VERIFIED game final fantasy X in handheld to avoid all the docked bullshit - it crashed. so i tried again - it froze. so i shut it down and got my switch instead. i am just playing games ever since and they work
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I really wish someone starts to make CRTs again.
FOR REAL THOUGH!
Like I understand that it's technically old and outdated, they are heavy and inconvenient. The average end user doesn't want them which is why while it's slowly becoming progressively harder, you can still find them for free on craigslist, Facebook market place, or just sitting out on the curb because someone set it out for the dump truck to haul off.
They're definitely a niche, but there are so many products for very niche use cases out there the fact that there is absolutely NO company out there still making CRT's when it's pretty common knowledge that the retro gaming community still highly values and demands them is STAGGERING.
Lat year I paid $500 for a 32 inch 1440p 165hz computer monitor.
I would absolutely and HAPPILY pay the same price for a 13 inch CRT TV with native HDMI input as well as composite and component inputs. Doesn't even HAVE to be HD, just as long as it can input HDMI without having to convert digital to analog and introduce latency, I'd be happy. (using an HDMI to Composite adapter to connect my Nvidia Shield TV box to my current 13 inch CRT TV+VCR Combo unit is GREAT for watching old media, gaming, not to much because latency)
Me too man… me too… cannot afford pvms 😢
@@rashira9610 Exactly!
dont worry, someone will, and they will be more expensive than you could possible imagine
do companies even still have the manufacturing capability to do that?
Yeah I'd do this if I still had a CRT lmao. The problem is that I don't have one anymore and people are starting to recognize how rare their CRTs actually are making it difficult to get one for free.
VGA CRTs aren't too hard to get a hold of. I think it would fit in perfectly with your channel's content
After over a decade of looking, I found one 4 doors up from my house at the end of their driveway at 6 am on Sunday. My hangover nearly jumped out of my body.
@@crestofhonor2349really? where i live theres like 1 vga crt listing and like 20 regular ones (for 100+ or broken)
x2 here on latam people are selling them more highee than a budget 4k monitor lmao
the cheap crt's around here are the 34" widescreen crt's... and I know why, cause I owned one once, it is superheavy and big so hard to get into your car, and its like 50kg. Also a headsup, I used mine to game on for a while, but many games textrendering are too small, so it is impossible to read what it says.
Great video! The 4:3 aspect ratio is a really nice touch as well! Subscribed!
Thank you!
not only was this great, but I absolutely LOVE how many indie games you were able to shout out during it!~
Thanks!!
Okay....... INCREDIBLE VIDEO. I really really really want a CRT. I don't think I can afford a TV CRT, so going to start looking for an old PC CRT. Please make more content like this, I could watch stuff like this forever.
Thank you :))
you can get a CRT TV for less than $25 if you look around
I dont know if this is the case for you where you live, but when I look at places like facebook market place or craiglist, I often find that you can find people getting rid of CRT TVs for 20 bucks (or some in my area are literally free pickup) - whereas CRT monitors are often now understood to be worth actual money. Good luck on your search!
Sometimes free. Got my friend a 36inch trinitron that way.The price was callin in a strong friend to help get it out of a basement
You're likely to see GOOD CRT monitors cost MORE than TVs not less, and for good reasons. Ignore the idiots trying to sell consumer TVs for Trinitron wideboi monitor money because they saw one DF video. They're just that.
I don’t often watch videos on my iPad, and the one time I do it I end up watching a video in 4:3 by accident, the perfect fit, made it feel extra authentic ahah, nice touch
iPads are wonderful for this very reason :D
Gaming ....CRTs....count me in❤
Looking forward to the rest of the CRT stuff you recorded.
Yesss! Thank you :)
Thank you for using 4:3 aspect ratio!!!
Im always watching your videos on a CRT, so i really appreciate that!!!!
I have a diamond, it's a Samsung Syncmaster 955DF VGA CRT monitor. 1856x1392 res, 0.20mm phosphor size and dot mask.
Legit digital 1440p clarity and no aliasing, text is extremely sharp. Samsung dynaflats are godlike image quality, no convergance issues, no geometry, it reminds me of a current Samsung QD OLED for color accuracy.
This was a fun and awesome video to watch lul. I never expected to find videos that has this kind of style of gaming until I saw your video! It's refreshing and fun always lul!
watching this on desktop in the old square youtube formatgave me new life lol, took me right back to watching old playthroughs back in the late 00's and early 10's
That 8" CRT at the end is the most "Blade Runner" setup ever. I instantly could Invision that little TV being in one of the Police offices where they scan their eyes & do the tests
Hahaha yesss
This could be a shout. My old PS3 has all the PS1 games available on it. It's connected to my CRT and I use a PS4 controller. So smooth especially with Resident evil 2. Getting those old vibrant colors back is a breath of fresh air
Nice!!!!
A 2009 PS3 slim has to be hooked up to a 2009 Full HD Panasonic Plasma. No excuse not to.... If you ever think the CRT has vibrant colours, try the Pana.... Nicest thing is, these are like 20 bucks nowadays, I even got one for free. Pop in Katamari Forever, and you laugh hard at anyone with a CRT.
@lovemadeinjapan Pioneer Plasmas are better arguably, I use one for my newer consoles
@lovemadeinjapan thanks for the tip
Dude I have no words, amazing work!! New subscriber here and looking forward for more CRT experiments
Thank you!!!
I beat you to it by a week...it looks gorgeous...kept glued playing !
damn dude, love the film grain and 4:3 setup on your vids! I would recommend turning off your camera's autofocus during those shots because the focus throwing is really ruining the vibe!!! great vid also :)
Loved this, cheers, these games really do look the business on CRTs, the perfect input fidelity doesn't hurt either, can make a game that doesn't really feel very good on an LCD/OLED, feel like a lot of fun to play otherwise, raster-scan is just made for video games.
Good job actually making this video in 4:3 aspect ratio! I'm always disappointed when people make videos about retro films or games and they're still 16:9. I wanna watch them on my 4:3 monitor, dammit! :D
Yep, just found my new favorite channel. Love the vibes.
Wait, it just hit me. You're EposVox! 🤯
Haha yes! And thank you!!
This is some GREAT footage! Awesome too see the retro inspired games shine their best on the hardware they seemingly were meant to be on
Thank you!
this guy looks like eposvox ! amazing video coming in
Can't be
Really cool video. Seeing your post wanting to get a Steam Deck main board, really makes me wonder what you are planning to do.
mwahahahahahaha
I was born in 1998. Many of my friends in middle school had ps3 consoles or xbox 360s and many of us played skyrim for the first time on a CRT!
I've been doing this with my small 5 inch 1986 RCA PVM. Got my ps1, ps2, and ps3 hooked up to it on a switch and converters
The detail of the video being 4:3 is fantastic. I really think if a company started making modern, super high-quality CRT's like the studio Sony ones that everyone wants, they'd make some damn good money. If they competed in terms of price and stock with originals, they'd have a huge business opportunity, plus it'd likely stabilize the vintage crt market prices.
Opportunity costs, shipping and storage costs, weight and environmental protection limits that type of proposition.
so glad to hear someone else having issues with the steam home button at low resolutions. i had to turn the resolution further up than i needed to. on the current beta branch it's closing the quick menu as soon as i let go of the A button too but that may be unrelated. Biggest issue i have had with this kind of setup has been the steam ui itself not liking it, but even with the issues i think i have the same adapter for a tv and its literally been how i play games now since I got a crt again its AWESOME
yellow taxi goes vroom. great video btw! I've collected a few CRT tvs and monitors over the years at my computer shop.. i need to play with the 16:9 crt that we got "recycled"
Great video, I've been rocking similar results. I have a Gateway EV910 monitor I use for many things, but primarily, Dreamcast, Steam Deck (or other USB-C video) and an Raspberry Pi with OSMC (gotta get those classics streaming). My setup is just the VGA cable and a female-to-female DB-9 adapter when I hook up the Dreamcast. For the PI and Steam Deck, I have a dual HDMI to VGA adapter, and I have a nearly Sony receiver I just tap with 3.5mm for the audio. Works wonders (SteamOS notwithstanding. I have to switch to a nested desktop and switch the audio source manually before I launch any games).
Dude what a coincidence. I’m planning to get a steam deck to hook up to my BVM D24!
Although I will probably use my HD fury 3 cable which works excellent to hook up my other HDMI consoles to the BVM.
Ayyyy great minds
At first, I would only use CRTs for old content or video games. Now, I find myself using CRTs as my main display type, aside from my phone or laptop. I'm pretty far down the rabbit at this point. I appreciate the Video being in 4:3; it gives it that extra retro look. I've been watching this on a CRT monitor pretty refreshing to find 4:3 content on RUclips. Keep up the good work!
The fact that the pc version of some of those retro collections don't support 4 by 3 resolutions is so sad. I got a old crt I use to play some games on it, and I better emulating those games. ... I do realize that most of those collections are emulations, but you get my point.
I KNOW it makes no sense
Love my PVM but so jealous of your BVM lol. Great video dude.
Thank you!
first video I've came across of yours, was super good. loved all the detail. I just sold a 27" CRT for space, actually. Though it didn't have any decent inputs so not a huge loss.
Thank you!!
me watching this fullscreen on a crt
Hell yeah
Thanks for uplpading in 4:3
Looks great on My galaxy z fold 6
I can't wait to watch this when I am done with this work meeting
CANCEL THE MEETING
@@lostsaves I wish I could! It's a configuration review meeting for network and security devices. Extremely dry.
Great vid. I play a lot of steam deck docked to my Compaq CRT monitor. I’ve noticed the same issue where the in game overlay won’t come up, and I think it’s tied to display resolution. If I set the display to 1280x1024 it comes up, but not anything lower. Also I use a USB-C dock which allows for charging and display out and use a HDMI to VGA adapter for the video. It’s definitely a great experience for classic games and retro indies and even a handful of newer AAA games like Lies of P that have native 4:3 support
as someone who has the same menu problem using a steam deck on a crt, i noticed it only happens when you're at a lower resolution like 480p or 600p, it works in 4:3 once you set the resolution to 720p or higher
really hope valve fixes this someday, it's been a blast playing modern indie games like gravity circuit on a display like this
Omg thx i set it to 1280x960 and its working now
Did know you had this other channel. I watched this on my VGA CRT although to be fair I was already using it for general PC useage so I just happened to stumble on it. Looks fantastic in 4:3. I did use my Deck once on the VGA CRT though I've done far more gaming with my gaming laptop as 60fps feels so smooth on them thanks to their motion clarity being unmatched.
One tip I like to do is match the pixel resolution, which is possible on a VGA CRT. I got Sea of Stars working at native resolution and I can't tell you how good it looks. The game runs natively at 640x360 meaning if you play the game at 640x480, you can get pixel perfect scaling and the effect cannot be unbeaten
Heck yeah! Sadly I haven’t even seen the video on a CRT myself yet haha
Awesome video 🤘🏻
Thanks 😁
I have a vga trinitron monitor. I hooked the dock to a generic hdmi to vga adapter and it works perfectly (but you have to adjust the screen size to a 4:3 aspect ratio).
Pair that with a wireless controller and you got the perfect emudeck setup. VGA monitors are also way cheaper than rgb/scart compatible screens, and a steal compared to pvm's/bvm's
You can still use the speakers of the Steam deck when you connect a video output, just go to settings, audio and select the output device there
The gaming mode on the Steam Deck (Gamescope-Session) and Wayland in general needs a better way of adding custom resolutions and refresh rates. The thing is that Gamescope passes through it's own custom EDID, and only on X11 can you use xrandr to easily add custom resolutions. On Wayland, this is pure hell.
I'd like to use my CRT monitor at 160Hz in 480p, and even have some way of setting stuff up like 240p for RetroArch and stuff (for authentic scanlines), and KDE Plasma is the only DE (Windows requires an ancient GPU and modded drivers to even get 240p to work) that can do anything lower than 800x600.
It would be really neat if there was a protocol put in place that RetroArch could hook onto which could automatically switch the display resolution without manually switching it in the case that a emulated game requires a very specific resolution to display correctly.
As a CRT user, thanks for the 4:3 video
This is quality content brother. That is all 🔥
Thank you!!
I use a CRT TV and Monitor to run classic games through emulator. A good workaround I have found is running Steam Deck at 720p 16:9 output , setting emulated games to 16:9 in emulation options and then setting Steam Deck scaling option to Stetch. So it scales to full screen and looks exactly like 4:3 without any Game Mode menu issues.
how have i not found this channel until now
Well now you have!
i like how similar this is to the way i got a win gpd 2 a while ago and immediately started looking for the right adapter to hook it up to a random crt i got from my schools old unused stuff wherever place, and that allows me to get all those sm64 romhacks and everything on there, also i get to use it with my regular pc like i am right now
also there is a program called cru, for pc crt monitors in windows 10-11, it lets you adapt the refresh rate and resolution to the monitors full capacity unlike the windows configuration which may not detect these specs. So you can make the display look good while using a regular adapter
i dont know if you could get anything like that on the steamdeck, but yea just in case you ever need that
"So 2night i'm gonna party like it's 1999!"
I absolutely love how this video is 4:3
:D
I was expecting a 1999 online game browsing/buying/installing experience, not just a weird screen hookup to modern steam consoles. I plan to do recreate a "1985 Steam experience"..... Back then our home computer had to get all games online, you paid Hfl 10,- a month for access, and a small 10ct fee per phone tick to get as many games as you liked.... Well, the total library including non-games was maybe 250 titles, but anyway, it was very cool.
I'm totally digging this! Love my Steamdeck, especially since it doesn't have horrid Windows, and is the closest to a console like experience for PC on the go. Speaking of which, I also abandoned the consoles with their broken games (or no games), heavy monetization, and incomplete is the norm attitude.
Games made for modern audiences also don't interest me. So, like yourself in the video, I've rolled to older titles or indies and there's thousands to choose from. We're not talking about emulation yet but if you ever do, you could go down a deep rabbit hole.
Goes to show you can have a fantastic experience with the Steamdeck, power isn't everything. For me - I'm uninterested in current games coming out lately, so I roll back to tried and true classis with no issues, which the Steamdeck plays with no issues.
So glad I have my CRTs
Loving the 4:3 aspect ratio, looks godly on my OnePlus Open haha. Probably even better if you're shooting open gate. 🔥
Haha heck yeah!
I happen to own a Dell CRT monitor and a Sony Trinitron CRT television downstairs in my house. I’ll admit, the setup with my Steam Deck looks kinda shitty on my CRT television most likely due to the setup, the one I use to watch anime from the 90’s and 2000’s on and use my PS2 on, but it looks perfect on my Dell monitor as it calibrates perfectly to it connecting my Deck to it (I have a dock btw, that being a third party dock) and audio being output to an external set of speakers (my CRT monitor doesn’t have audio support btw) and it is awesome. Being able to play stuff like Kamui on my monitor rotated on its side is a dream come true I tell ya.
Anime on a CRT is amazing
I recently did something similar with my ROG ALLY. Got it hooked up to a Toshiba 4:3 480i tv via Svideo. Does it look terrible yes. But I love scan lines and native 4:3 aspect ratio for games like Doom Eternal and Battlefront 2. Also the tv supports component but only 480i component. Should I bother switching to component or stay on SVideo for 480i?
S-video is great!!
Can this become a series where you try out games new and old. On steam deck in these fashions just use whatever display you want. New games is cool because there are games on here I didn't know about and would love to try now. I've become inspired to do a very similar setup in my game room.
Absolutely!
I would like to play my Steam Deck on my 32 inch Sony Trinitron and play games like Marvel Vs Capcom 2 Collection that just came out.
I've always wanted a PVM, would be interested in purchasing one (little poor at the moment but can't pass up the chance).
Great production value, only criticism is you've squashed all the direct-feed gameplay footage to fit your 4:3 aspect ratio. Doesn't look great! Maybe go for a crop next time? Or some neat borders
Erm
Everything was played in 4:3 to play on the 4:3 displays lol
@@lostsaves no no I meant the direct feed gameplay at 1:18. Otherwise beautiful video!
I wonder if the Steam + B shortcut to close a game would work when the menu isn't opening. Though admittedly this shortcut doesn't always work for me even at normal resolutions. The other thing that comes to mind to close a game is to ssh in from another device, try to find the process in htop, and send a kill signal. Not ideal, of course, but I'd do it before holding in the power button to hard power it off. I would suggest reporting the issues you ran into to Valve, maybe on the gamescope repo.
If you like Gauntlet I would recommend Hammerwatch, the first one with the old engine/art style/controls before they modernized it a bit. By default you face the way you're moving which allows it to be played with an arcade controller or something like the first PS1 controller, or keyboard-only. (maybe not SNES controllers, I think you want all 4 shoulder buttons for binds)
very good video. Made me look crts to buy.
Haha thanks!
havent connected my steam deck to my crt, but i have hooked up my switch to it. sound is amazing and gives a warm feeling to the game. but once i got an oled it was pretty hard to go back lol still play my ps3 on the crt though.
If you output 1280 x 920 on the steam deck using component or composite the steam buttons work no problem.
This might be a dumb question, but have you heard of Marco Retro? A good chunk of his channel is dedicated to getting modern hardware to display on CRTs through downscaling, it might be useful to check out some of his reviews/guides to fix some of those games that get finicky at low resolutions/odd aspect ratios.
Yup, sure have!
Yeah the steamdeck 4:3 mode is bugged. It's still bugged if you use the steamdeck itself to open the menu. It incorrectly layers the menu underneath the game.
It's been a problem since shortly after steamdeck released and Valve has taken no interest in fixing it over two years.
Try BallisticNG as well! It supports both modern rendering techniques and a "ps1" style emulating Wipeout 3 from back in the day. It's a blast to play on a CRT TV~
Will do!
the Steam menu's not showing up is not to do with the 4:3 as it is the resolution is too small for the OS to draw them on top of the game I imagine, I use a cheap HDMI to AV converter and if I set the steam to 480p those menus will not display but if I set it to 2x that resolution or 960p the pop-up menus show up just fine without issues.
It looks great on our retina displays.
kinda nice to see i'm not the only person that thinks coromon feels off , it has the basics of what it copies and yet it never feels quite right .
Ya gotta set the deck UI resolution to high rez 4:3 it cannot be native rez of the crt, and then manually scale the UI to fit your display. now the steam ui should show up when pressed. I had to mess around like crazy to figure it out
Great video and you honestly gave me Ideas for my old CRT tv and my deck.
quick question but how did you record the CRT screen without those crazy scan lines going all over the place?
I moved my living room PC to a CRT rolling cart. I mention this as I am primarily running linux booting right into big picture steam and the steam menus just go not show up on a 4:3 display. This is with desktop steam. So it appears to be a problem they will need to address at some point.
wtf, steam worked fine in 4:3 for over a decade…. What did they do
8:24 can't you still play audio from the steam deck's speakers? That wouldn't feel very authentic, but it would surely be better than nothing.
Normal SteamOS does not give you the option. But in Desktop mode you could
@@lostsaves what about bluetooth or aux?
90 year old gamer still makes gaming the old fashioned way
“Accidentally” spent $500… lol
Great video!!
My video game splurges are... dangerous
Never played Celeste but it has one of my favorite songs Resurrections by Lena Raine.
Best way for classic games on crt with one device: Component wii to CRT tv, play Snes, wii, nes, gc games fluently.
It really sucks that there doesn't seem to be a good solution for converting HDMI to av without distortion.
They exist, they just aren't easily accessible. Especially since the mainstream use case would *require* a scaler built-in, which we don't want when doing our own scaling.
@@lostsaves do you know a specific one that exists? I might be able to make one work for my purposes. I basically just wanna be able to play old 4:3 media (movies/TV) from a modern device on a consumer CRT.
4:3 supremacy!!!
Anyone wanting to do this without a steamdeck maybe something more dedicated, Bazzite with it's KDE DE is the way to go as emudeck doesn't play with other DE's very well.
I watched it happen. CRTs on big trash day set out with “works, free” only to to find the power cables cut off from dudes collecting scrap in high capacity mad max style Nissan pickup truck beds… years later I still think - damn…
Feels bad :(
Nice. I still have my drecast connected up to a crt to play house of the dead 2
Ive been trying to do this myself but run into an issue when attempting to output Steam deck directly to the CRT.
I assumed it was due to the lowest res possible from the deck was 480p but my set is 480i max. I tried using a scaler but no luck.
I was able to use my Steam Link via scaler to stream the deck but that of couse doesnt look amazing through network compression + latency.
720i on CRT !!! My old GPU would realtime software raytrace and play all modern latest games at that rez. 😀
Nice
Gotta cap the game's frame rate at 30 or less for that more authentic retro feel.
Yoooo I really want that BVM!!!
at 11:30 you said you were going to talk about fixing the janky interlacing, dot crawl and flicker im having a lot dot crawl and janky interlacing on my snes mini running retro arch being converted to a 4:3 sony crt and im trying to figure out how to fix it. side note it cuts off a small part of the edges of the screen.
basically seems like the pixels from the game dont line up with the crt scan lines. is there also any way to get them to line up?
16:26 "Glorious"? Bro, you can't even read the text.
Great video 👍- A little off-topic, but I've always wondered: Would uploading in 8K help with RUclips compression, even if the source material is less than 4K?
Yes and no! I used to do it more, but with my heavier effects and color grading it's just not worth it compared to exporting in a less lossy format like ProRes. (The source video was 200GB that I uploaded for this!)
8K transcodes get insane bitrates on RUclips's end, but virtually no one would be viewing in that format, and the lower-res transcodes aren't benefitted. So better for me to just upload the best format I can, as ProRes preserves all the grain and detail without artifacting better than upscaling.
(Also all of my b-roll was shot in native 8K anyway hah)
@@lostsaves Thanks for the interesting 'peek behind the curtains' haha.
Bah, I have to jump in again: Dark Void ZERO was a promotional tie-in game for the newly released Dark Void that was released for the DSi. It was a very tongue-in-cheek nod at a "What if this series originally began on the NES and is an all-time CAPCOM classic?" kind of deal. It was cute, and fun, but it was not any sort of inspiration for the original game.
I know, that one was bait ;)
do you have a tutorial on how to use the retrotink to downscale? plsss
Aero Gpx is not based on Wipeout, but on F-Zero X
Fair!
BEAT HAZARD MENTIONED!!!!
oh neat video to be recommended, haven't watched yet but i did something similar, using an HDMI to VGA to composite converter
so now i'm just curious how you'll do it :p
I'm tired of unplugging the dock every time I want to exit the game on a crt tv. Why Valve don't fix it =((((
Nice!! Whats about Nintendo Switch?
nice aspect ratio budy
i love the steam deck. especially docked, when nothing works. so today i tried to play play the VERIFIED game final fantasy X in handheld to avoid all the docked bullshit - it crashed.
so i tried again - it froze.
so i shut it down and got my switch instead.
i am just playing games ever since and they work
Sucks that you had such a bad experience. I’ve had a few crashes, but no major issues
I think this is the daddy of all crt tvs lol