The more I watch these videos with Joan and Johnny...the more I can see why Johnny was so hurt by her wanting to have her own show competing with his. It's evident that he really cared for her and her well being as a performer.
...and in this April 1986 appearance she gave strong indication that she genuinely cared for Carson as well as evidenced by her dedication to him in her book on the same page as her dedication to her husband. However her actions a few weeks later suggest that whatever genuine affection she had was overtaken by selfish greed. She accepted a offer from the newly formed Fox network to begin her own show starting in October 1986, but in the same time slot as Carson. It seems that the network wanted to use her friendship with Carson for ratings and she fell for it. By accepting the same slot she would be potential taking viewers from Carson. If she had taken a different time slot the same viewers could have watched both shows. She did not tell Carson in advance that she had received the Fox offer. She only called him after she accepted because she knew her decision to accept the offer in a competing time slot would be problematic for their friendship. She was not legitimately seeking his blessing or consultation. She had to know it would shake him. Look at her subsequent interviews when she discusses this issue and she never owned up to not alerting Carson in advance about the offer or that she might have hurt him by excluding him from her decision to leave and take a competing time slot. She only talks about herself being hurt. See the video of her reluctantly discussing this on Letterman only after his prodding. Tragically her show did not last even a year as she and her husband were both fired in May 1987. Three months later her husband committed suicide which she blamed on his "humiliation" by Fox.
@@MAURICO2 firstly, unless you've watched as many interviews with Rivers as I have (and I've pretty much watched them all - long story, had to do it for a job), then you can't really vilify her like this. you need to watch her emmy tv legends interview. it makes for some quite revealing viewing. second; if she was a man, no one would be talking about this now. the reason Carson was so 'upset' is because he never thought Rivers would go anywhere - because she was a woman. this is a fact. I'm a guy btw. third; 'she accepted an offer'
@@MAURICO2 here's the other thing; no man who didn't have an ego so big that he could make another version of himself out of it to walk next to him wherever he went would have read out Joan's tribute to him on national television in front of millions. I wouldn't have done it - because I don't love myself that much. Carson loved himself. whereas Joan wasn't all that into self-adulation. she was smart enough to realise what a turn-off this is. too quite contrasting personalities which were bound to fail.
The library card joke was excellent 👍
Dearest Joan. Loved her wit her intelligence and her style. RIP Darling.
Joan would have made it without Johnny
Absolutely.
The more I watch these videos with Joan and Johnny...the more I can see why Johnny was so hurt by her wanting to have her own show competing with his. It's evident that he really cared for her and her well being as a performer.
...and in this April 1986 appearance she gave strong indication that she genuinely cared for Carson as well as evidenced by her dedication to him in her book on the same page as her dedication to her husband. However her actions a few weeks later suggest that whatever genuine affection she had was overtaken by selfish greed. She accepted a offer from the newly formed Fox network to begin her own show starting in October 1986, but in the same time slot as Carson. It seems that the network wanted to use her friendship with Carson for ratings and she fell for it. By accepting the same slot she would be potential taking viewers from Carson. If she had taken a different time slot the same viewers could have watched both shows. She did not tell Carson in advance that she had received the Fox offer. She only called him after she accepted because she knew her decision to accept the offer in a competing time slot would be problematic for their friendship. She was not legitimately seeking his blessing or consultation. She had to know it would shake him. Look at her subsequent interviews when she discusses this issue and she never owned up to not alerting Carson in advance about the offer or that she might have hurt him by excluding him from her decision to leave and take a competing time slot. She only talks about herself being hurt. See the video of her reluctantly discussing this on Letterman only after his prodding. Tragically her show did not last even a year as she and her husband were both fired in May 1987. Three months later her husband committed suicide which she blamed on his "humiliation" by Fox.
@@MAURICO2 firstly, unless you've watched as many interviews with Rivers as I have (and I've pretty much watched them all - long story, had to do it for a job), then you can't really vilify her like this. you need to watch her emmy tv legends interview. it makes for some quite revealing viewing. second; if she was a man, no one would be talking about this now. the reason Carson was so 'upset' is because he never thought Rivers would go anywhere - because she was a woman.
this is a fact. I'm a guy btw.
third; 'she accepted an offer'
@@MAURICO2 here's the other thing; no man who didn't have an ego so big that he could make another version of himself out of it to walk next to him wherever he went would have read out Joan's tribute to him on national television in front of millions. I wouldn't have done it - because I don't love myself that much. Carson loved himself. whereas Joan wasn't all that into self-adulation. she was smart enough to realise what a turn-off this is. too quite contrasting personalities which were bound to fail.
She had a right to her own career.
I'm sure Joan would be appalled at the state of free speech now.
lessevdoolbretsim It’s in the same state it always has been.
Why has she still got 1960s beehive back-combed hair in 1986?!?
watch it and you'll know
I saw a lady in CVS pharmacy with this hairstyle today 2019🥵
looks better than that not done hair look used today with the dangling ends.
I wonder what she thought about Russian women after the fall of the Soviet Union. Oh how wrong she was.
everyone thought that way of ussr,they wanted to "bury us"
Yeah I think the stereotype is the opposite.