Brutally Honest Pro Bass Angler (The Bilge Podcast)
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Chris and Trait sit down with the most (brutally) honest man in the professional angler ranks, Matt Herren, to discuss the split 4 years ago, why polygraphs are not busting more cheaters, the changes Bassmaster needs to consider, the real trust behind the Tony Christian scandal, and the newly revamped Bassmaster Opens qualification structure.
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I'm kinda working my way backwards through these but the bilge is the best fishing podcast out there
I know it's been a year, but I just joined. Herren is one of my favorite anglers. Up-front non questions asked. You 2 keep up the good work. Thanks for the upfront content.
I have met both of these guys at a BassU course years ago at Gadsden Alabama, both are some of the most informative guys to talk to. Chris brought his own powerpoint presentation to explain big swimbaits. Matt talked to everyone that had a question and even gave away some prototype crankbaits to people at the event. Great guys, straight shooters as well.
I spent a lot of time on that power point. Total nerd moment 😝
Man something about this podcast just makes me gravitate towards it and I can’t really put my finger on it. I love the honesty and sincerity from Matt Herren. Not just about the scandal stuff, man just the sport in general. Bottle that up and keep it going moving forward. Instant subscribe 👍🏽
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I’m an hour in. I’m addicted to this podcast. Every one is great to listen too 👍🎣
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I'm glad you had him on, great episode. Good luck to both of you this next season!
Thanks Bill! He’s a great guest and most of the fans don’t get to see this side of him.
Great podcast! New respect for Matt I love his honesty and being straightforward! Y’all keep the good content coming Zaldaingerous ones🎣🎣🎣
Probably one of the best interviews and honest pod cast I have watched on RUclips.
Thank you 🙏
Since I've gotten into bass fishing, Herren is a guy I've listened to A LOT. Dude is super knowledgeable and seems like a guy I'd love to be in the back of the boat with to learn. Thanks for this sit down Chris! ❤️
He’s always a good conversation!
This is a solid podcast dude. Hope it keeps growing for you
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Excellent podcast just started watching it this week. I literally watched this to see what happened between Tharp and Herren on Norfork. That was one of my favorite tournaments to watch and Chris Zaldain you were up there at the top also
Even the intro on this podcast is AWSOME!! GREAT SHOW!
Glad you enjoy it!
Great podcast! This one hit home. I’ve been a mechanic for 9 years and the dream is to become a professional angler
Chris & Trait, great show! I love Matt Herren. He should be on every podcast as “The Truth”. 😂 Keep up the great work y’all!!
Awesome show... absolutely love the honesty! Brutal honesty! Keep it up! Matt's the man!
Thanks Troy 👊🏽
Great podcast. Glad I was able to chat with you and Trait at the ramp at the Pickwick open in 2021. I’ll never forget it. Instead of giving me weird looks for running my old beat up boat like everyone else was, you gave me props for getting after it. 😂 Y’all are genuine people. Keep kicking all the ass.
I remember that day well 👊🏽
Great vid. Been following BASS since the late 70's. I know Matt is a great fisherman. I have always thought of him as a grumpy old man even though he is a lot younger than men. This interview opened my eyes about him and it gained a lot more respect for the man he is. Please keep doing more of this type interviews. The interviews with Rick and Matt have been very informative. Great job.
People don’t get to see the side we see over a few beers in the RV Park, and that’s why we had him on 😁
Love these podcast. I love the honesty and the behind the scenes information. The more I listen to this, it just confirms this is not the life for me. Mad respect for you guys able to chase your dreams.
100% truth...when MLF first started in TV and introduced the new format, I seriously thought those guys were competing for money to donate to charity. I sincerely thought you guys were making tons of money and when I heard about pros jumping into local club or smaller events, it kinda irritated me. Thank you for putting the whole story out there. When I was coming up watching these guys I never imagined guys were sleeping in their truck and barely making ends meet. Keep it coming! I've watched a few of these in the past couple of days...I'm addicted. Great job guys! Seriously
I love these videos! I have been tournament fishing since 1987 and the changes in fishing are both good and bad. It is to the point that most people cannot afford the electronics, trolling motors, lithium batteries, etc. to compete at high level. I fish an occasional BFL now and listen to these guys who want to fish the BPT or Elite Series. I don't think they realize how expensive it is and what it takes. The fishing is just a small portion of the whole deal. These new guys wanting to make a living at this sport need to listen to guys like Matt and pay attention to what he says. He knows what he is talking about.
Great podcast! Keep it up ! You guys are killin it!
These longer form podcasts need time stamps. Do love the content btw
If u r in a national fishing tournament with money on the line, they should check your license at the registration event
They used to. After Covid happened, the in-person meetings stopped
This podcast to me…. Like waiting for the newest House of the Dragon episode ! Thanks y’all
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🎉 just tuned in to check it out , before I was realized it I had to rush to work. Great program.
I met Matt Herren an Bill Lowen an Chris at Santee in 2020-2021. Three of the absolute best men I've ever met. They treated my little boy like gold when they talked to him. He tells everyone about it.
Great show! Just like I had the pleasure of sharing the boat with you twice, I was Matt’s marshal twice on Toledo Bend as well. Great guy and, like you said, he will tell it like it is. I had to laugh at his comment about his facial expression and hole poaching because it happened the first time I was his marshal and he got a bit upset and let it be known to that angler. I would have been scared. LoL
Really enjoyed this and became a subscriber today! Will be listening from now on.
The elite series should be 50. There isn't much "elite" about 100 guys who all pay entry fees. The opens with so many guys trying to make the elites fishing all 9 has finally developed a minor league feeder system for the elite series. Great podcast yall!
The elite series should be open to 200 guys. They should allow up to 75 local pros into competition. Not everyone has the money to fish the entire season. Then you'd really see who the best was. And if a local legend won it would give them a career path to full time touring.
@@jaredleicht1656 Is this satire? There are 40 leagues you can do this in. NOT gonna happen at the top level in the entire sport.
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Why do you say it's the " top level " ?
I know several elite series/MLF pros currently fishing and they are the rich kids that tournament bass fished in our area. Nothing more.
They are not the best from this area. And atleast two of them will admit it.
They all came from wealthy families that could support them doing it till they pick of sponsors.
It's just a fishing club for rich guys as it currently is. Open it up to the public and you'll see who the best is on that body of water.
It's more about selling products than fishing abilities. And you have to put up your own cash to get started.
I bet every " pro" knows anglers that are as good as them or better that don't even fish anymore.
Perfect example is Ike. He's going into the fishing hall of fame and he will tell you Bob Soley was better than he was. He said Bob is the best he ever met at finding bass. Bobs a plumber that doesn't even fish anymore.
1 of the Best fishing podcasts I've ever watched 👀
Could listen to you guys all night. Thank you!
Chris continues to be a real G and Matt is the OG. Keep this goin, homie.
Thanks 👊🏽
Keep the Bilge going! You guys are great!
Great podcast!
Matt is an awesome guy. I’ll never forget him calling me personally regarding an order I placed with Taddo Designs. He’s definitely a role model. Not only for the industry, but as genuine man.
He shoots everyone straight and that’s all you can ask for out of someone. Great dude.
Exposing the business of pro fishing. Enjoyed it.
There are issues in the reverse with polygraphs also. So what do we do about that. I can tell you 100% that an honest person can somehow come up with a false reading on a polygraph. When I was a young kid (about 13) somehow my name came up about burning down a shed at a little league field. I had rock solid alibies, I had been at a record store waiting for a particular album to come in and had been talking with the owner the entire time. To make a long story short I was asked if I would take a polygraph test and I instantly agreed. I figured it would clear me and I wouldn't have to deal with this mess anymore. I failed the polygraph test. I wasn't a trouble maker and was kinda scared while taking the test. Was that the reason for the failure? I don't know, I just know I didn't not have anything to do with the shed being set fire yet I had to go to trial for it. I just wish we could find a more reliable way to ensure rule compliance. I know it is pretty much the best we have and for the most part pretty reliable but in the back of my mind I will always have a worry.
Love this one! Glad this podcast provides a great truth platform for the REAL ones in the industry!
That’s right ✊🏽
I have definitely gained a lot of respect and admiration for Matt Heron after this podcast.
Excellent interview. What incident was being discussed at 55:15? It effects the pros in the sport? Thanks.
Im trying to figure this out, as well!
@@nickangel8098 if you figure it out, let me know. The video may have been edited to not mention the names.
I think they’re talking about Matt Robertson fishing with his pants down but could be wrong
A friend of mine Marshalled on St Lawrence and drew Dean Rojas. He got a speeding ticket in the same place and DID NOT report it to BASS.
Happened to Steve Kennedy too out there somewhere. Threw Biggins back outside mouth. Honest dude I think
One of my favorite anglers for years. I’ve made some baits for him and Lowen. Both great guys!!!
You got me on that one, Matt. I totally did not factor in the Walleye fishing impact on Oahe' into the BASS event there. I thought I'd be a top performer in that Fantasy event, I blew it.
It’s pretty crazy how acclimated those fish are to electronics
@@Zaldaingerous Around here the trout know little about sonars.
Good conversation, I enjoyed the talk it was real….
Love y'all. I actually found a pic with all us along with Matt from 2015 classic but I'm not go post it lol. Just waiting on my one on one swimbait class since we both on battle born together.
Great podcast. Really enjoy how genuine it is.
Thanks Eric 🙏
Wow man I really think y’all got something here! These podcast have all been so interesting! I don’t think there’s anything else out there like this if there is I haven’t seen it… I’d really like to see y’all talk to Scott Martin, coach pain, lee livesay and lunkerstv
Yes to all! Scott made some time for us the day after we filmed Matt but we couldn’t make it work. We’ve also had Rob (Lunkers) scheduled and had to cancel a few times but will be very soon.
Great podcast, Chris. Fun to listen to the real world comments of bass fishing!
Thanks Dustin!
Always good to here these inside the industry stories ! Especially from veterans! Your wife asks some great questions! Keep them coming!
Hey who got the fly guns ? Did ya do a give away chris ?
I’ll select a winner asap and post it. She likes to ask questions, very curious and nosy 🤪
Is there a place I can listen to an audio only version, preferably downloadable? I subscribed on my podcast app, but the only episode in the feed is the Rick Clunn interview
Excellent show and information.
Thanks 👊🏽
Love it. Driving home listening to this.
Drive safe bro 👊🏽
Enjoyed watching this. I was lucky enough to fish with Matt on Lay Lake around 2004 as a co- angler in the BFL. I caught my biggest bass at that time flipping. Close to a 5 pounder!
Setting here turning wrenches on Friday every once in awhile my right 👍 thumb hurts 🤕. Not from work boys they were chewing last night in the rain.
Just discovered this podcast. Good stuff here with Matt.
Thanks 👊🏽
Can your podcast be found on Spotify or other podcast platforms? Or just RUclips?
This was REALLY good. enjoyed it.
Great interview! Keep them coming!
Yessir 👊🏽
Another great podcast. Keep them coming.
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Started watching just for entertainment and came away with motivation//inspiration . This seems to be a thing for y'alls show . ( To me anyways ) Im a older fisherman and absolutely need the motivation. Young guys are so far ahead compared to where I started tournament fishing . Information in general was very hard to obtain 30 years ago . Now it's there for any and everyone . I love it even though it has leveled the game . Pretty much guys that can still do just seem like the can-do guys are more and younger. Thanks for the hard work you two are doing and please keep them coming.
Wow, really appreciate this comment. When we decided to start a podcast, we went into with the same goals of our films - to add value and not suck value from the industry. Less about being a hero and hero shots and more about helping move the needle. So, thank you 🙏
@@Zaldaingerous it's easy to drink the Kool-Aid when it not only taste good but also is good for you 👊 .
Matt is a cool guy and this was another great interview. On the subject of Tony Christian (or any cheating incident) anglers always want to see cheaters punished and are upset when tournament organizations don't press charges on people they catch cheating. Most anglers don't want to hear this but the reason tournament organizations don't press charges against people that cheat in their tournaments is; the organizations become liable for damages caused by cheaters to the other participants. Hypothetically if in court, Tony Christian reveals he cheated in 20 FLW tournaments and didn't get caught, than everyone that participated in those tournaments and finished below him have suffered financial and/or point loss and look to FLW to compensate them. Multiply that by 20 (or whatever the true number of tournaments he admits to cheating in) and that's enough money to bankrupt the organization. Don't think for a second that attorneys for the accused don't point that out to any organization that presses charges. The anglers are the ones that need to bring charges is they feel that strong about it, organizations are not going to take the risk. Tournament angling is gambling and the fields are to big to be completely policed; ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK!
Really liked the interview. Keep it up.
Hey Chris great podcast and great conversation with Matt listened to the entire podcast but what's the inside story of the angler meeting and Matt's position on "not crossing the line?" Please fill us on the situation!! Lol
agreed
I think this part was talking about the On Em underwear situation. I didn’t realize we didn’t explain it all.
@@Zaldaingerous on em brings light to the sport. He’s our happy Gilmore. Not everybody needs to represent themselves like kvd. We need to keep making bass fishing fun.
Love the podcast! It’s gives me JRE vibes for sure 🤘🏼
Great podcast love it .
If you can get Mercer on seems like nobody has Mercer on their podcast and Dude loves the sport and a wealth of knowledge just an idea. Keep the videos Zaldangorus and I will stay ON'EM . Love it thank you
Dave will def be a guest when our schedules line up 👊🏽
Matt is so knowledgeable with the sport great interview 👏
Thanks Mark!
Great show, lots of good information
Matt is one of the best fishermen that has ever walked imo
Matt Definitely doesn’t beat around the bush lol. Thats what we love about him.
He tells it like it is and is one of the best to have an honest conversation with
Y’all killin it with this podcast, palaniuk feider and some MLF guys would be great guests
Feider is a definite and we’d love to have some MLF guys too but they’d need to be honest and transparent and I’m not sure any of them are capable at this time… but if one wants to be and can put down the regurgitated talking points, we are here.
Best show on the web.. Thank you.
Thanks for watching 👊🏽
When Matt says, it’s made heroes out of guys, just like I said about the Alabama rig, it has made A LOT of AVERAGE fishermen “ great”…
Wow. Great job on this podcast. Gonna give LBL a run for top spot in my book if this keeps up. Great stuff
Haha Pangrac will always outwork us! No way we could do one every day like he does. He’s intense!!
He means low budget live with Luke Dunkin. No one can touch bass talk live
Roland Martin 2000 us open or right around that year got a citation for no fishing license and lost the days weight and 7,000 grand!! Ouch
Best interviews clunn now this. Thank you
Thank you for watching 👊🏽
Really enjoy your shows
Good stuff Chris and Trait!!!
Thanks Gary 👊🏽
Honestly did not know there was drama and dudes fighting in bass fishing but it does make sense, anyone know what they were talking about in that meeting?
I thought about trying to go Pro and then I saw the money involved, that stopped me in my tracks. It’s sad that people without money can’t seem to get ahead, some do but most don’t
That’s life
where can i find info on the clear lake/osprey sitch? hadnt heard of it before and wondering who it was
I know of one Elite tournament on Clearlake back in the day, and up until this conversation with Matt, I had never heard about the controversy. I was not on the Elite Series at the time.
Is there a place that we can listen to this that’s not RUclips? Only the first episode is posted on podcast and I would love to listen to the rest while driving.
Going to work on that this week. The Jon B audio was initially too large a file for some reason on our website, but will take another stab at it and get them up.
Sweet! Looking forward to listening to them!
What’s the annoying sound in the background for the last hour of the video?
Why are we calling people out without naming who they are? If Matt Herren is some truth teller - then just say who it is. Why hide it? If you don’t want to say who it is then why even talk about it.
Because defamation laws prevent it if they know but don’t have any actual evidence
He’s under contract
@@TrumpsEarBandage Then don’t front to be some hard ass…
@@mathewsarrowslinger2787 I agree
Your exactly right. I've always thought that.
Really enjoyed this video!
Thanks Brad!
Great podcast, Matt was a top notch guest.
We knew he would be open to talking about whatever without playing the PC Card which helps for a better conversation
Here is an Irony. When I bought my Toyota, I had to explain to the sales rep I was buying it because of its association with Bass fishing.
A lot is made of the 9 rather than 3 Opens being ready for the Elites. Some of the best anglers made it there by winning the Federation National Championship, one week and almost no money. I turned it down when I won in 2005 and figured it cost me $2500 out of pocket to fish the Federation that year.
You guys need to come out with more podcast. I enjoy listening to them while at work, didn’t take but a few days to listen to all of them. Lee Livesay? Roland Martin? Saw y’all were at ivie together. B.P? Milleken?. My fam are Big fans, from Ftw area. Hoping one day to run into you on Eagle Mountain/PK. My 12 yo son loves both of you guys. Good family content, watch your channel and every video with my family. Keep doing your thing man.
We’re rooting for you Chris. Get back out there Trait!
We will be very soon. Trait is on a hiatus back in Texas dealing with some health stuff but will be back on the road soon
Love the podcast guys! 🙌🏻 🇦🇺
Thank you Paul!
I think the trails need to get back to helping each other and remember that fans are there for the anglers not the brand x trail. Entry fees need to lower winnings need to be spread out more and this is a hot topic but I think we need to get rid of Foward facing sonar and get back to actual bass fishing instead of video game fishing.
@M. Jones don’t mean to sound smart but that’s all pipe dreams! Just like every other business, small up to the Walmart/Amazon they’ve completely forgotten (or better yet said screw you this is how it is)who their customers are , who pays their light bills, CEO asinine millionaire salaries! If only they would take your simple comment you solved the fishing industry essentially right there! I agree with you 100% especially on the video game fishing! I get tired of the if you don’t like the forward facing sonar don’t use it which is an excuse for I can’t find fish.
@@jdubya3498 I know its a pipe dream but if they don't do something the anglers will eventually take matters into their own hands. That's what the MLF was started out to be but they had the sleeziest bastard of all as the head guy in Boyd Duckett.
Took me two sessions to finish this but this was a great listen. 80k=elites 😮
Appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to watch the whole thing 🙏
@@Zaldaingerous thank you for taking the time to make content
Randy sent me over, good show
Nice 👌
Can we get the podcast drops to spotify, apple, etc so we can stream without youtube?
The first one is on Apple. We’ve got a few things to fix to get the rest up and to get them on other platforms. Trait’s a one (wo)man show right now and a little swamped in the office but plans to get it all figured out soon so they will be uploading properly to all the platforms.
@@Zaldaingerous yall are the best! Love the content, just want to see you continue to grow and crush it
He’s the man! Awesome podcast
Thank you!!
"he's mike 'long gone' " hahaha classic
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How are exemptions decided? I love Frits but he didn’t do that good this year
He’s on a Legends exemption. You get 1 legend point for every Classic won, AOY won, and $1 million earned. Each year you take a legend’s spot, you lose one of your legend’s points. I think he may be on his last point, but not positive.
@@Zaldaingerous okay thanks so much me and my dad were talking about that and couldn’t figure it out
Matt Herron is a very good and smart fisherman
He is!
Zaldain reminds me of the guy that when he's around military guys always says "I was gonna join but....[enter excuse]" sorry maybe it's the mustache
“I would have went pro but blew out my knee”
If anglers break rules they should be publicly known period. It should not be done behind closed doors especially base on who it is. Make examples it stops.
If a dude loses sponsors so be it that was there decision to break the rule. It keeps the sport true and if there are sacrifices in the process so be it at the end of the day it was there choice too break the rule
This is an awesome interview thanks Chris and Trait. I tried to find it on Apple Podcasts but couldn’t. Are y’all on Spotify or something else??? Love ❤️ y’all
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Love the podcast, but please do something with the dog next time.
I would not take a phone call on the bank of the Missouri River in late May at Slippery Anne, I'd have to ask the mosquito's first.
Tony Christian lives in northeast ga and still fishes electric only tournaments. Seems like everyone has forgotten what he done.