The Plane Crash That Killed The Bin Laden Family | The Crash Of HZ-IBN
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This is the story of the 2015 blackbushe phenom crash. On the 31st of july 2015 a phenom 300 private jet was to fly from milan italy to blackbushe airport in the UK. Now this private jet didnt have just any standard rich people on board. On today's flight was bin laden's immediate family. Yes, that bin laden. Todays occupants were raja Hashim one of the wives of bin ladends dad, her daughter sana bin laden and the daughters husband zuhair hashim. What i find interesting about all of this is that the bin laden clan was free to private jet about the entire planet despite them being immediate family members of the man who used to be the most wanted man on earth. I assumed that his immediate family would be sanctioned or something but apparently not. Well for whatever reason the family had chartered a jet and they were being flown by a single pilot who had 11,000 hours of flying experience.
We join the phenom, tail number HZ-IBN as it descends through the london terminal area, As the plane streaked across london it was handed over from ATC region to ATC region eventually ending up in the control of farnborough approach. Blackbushe airport is kind of a hot spot for business jets as it offers easy access to the stuff rich people like to do in england. Which is probably drinking very expensive tea.
When the pilot had the runway in sight, Farnborough approach cleared the phenom to descend under the pilot's discretion. Once the plane was closer to the airport the controller asked the pilot to contact blackbushe information. The phenom the entered the left hand circuit for runway 25 via the crosswind leg. But as the phenom entered the circuit, it flew very near to a microlight. Seeing the mircolight the pilot started to climb in an attempt to avoid the microlight. This is when the TCAS kicked in. TCAS, traffic collision avoidance system is as the name suggests a system designed to warn pilots about traffic conflicts and gives them resolution advisories. Basically if the system thinks that youre gonna crash into another plane it will ask you to climb or descend. Basically the system will tell you what it thinks will minimize the chance of a collision.
In this case the TCAS system asked the pilot to descend. This advisory quickly changed to “maintain vertical speed” which then again changed to “ adjust vertical speed”. This was because the climb had put the phenom very close to another plane that was above it.
Once the phenom was clear of the conflict it was way too high and fast, the pilot put the plane into a curving turn as it descended towards the runway threshold. The rate of descent at some points reached 3000 feet per minute. In fact the plane hit that 3000 feet per minute of descent value between 1200 and 500 feet. If you cant tell this is one approach that should be abandoned. After breaching 500 feet the rate of descent slowed. Why dont you pause the video go down into the comments and drop your guess as to what the new rate of descent is. Ill wait. Are you back, its 2500 feet per minute. For the uninitiated thats screaming fast. The jet passed over the runway threhsold at 151 knots, for some context it was supposed to be at 108 knots. This jet was wayy to fast. Then it touched down very hard and very far down the runway. Seeing the plane land the AFISO or the aerodrome flight information service officer initiated a full emergency because he knew that there was no hope of this plane stopping in the runway that was left. 
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There being only one pilot should tell you something.
The plane could have been remote control and the pilot was fighting the remote.
Sponsored shit
No sympathies earned, none given
The world just got a little better
Good riddance
I'm noticing 'PILOTS of today are almost just passengers ,
They put the planes on AUTOPILOT and away they go!
and it seems to me, when they actually have to fly the plane
and S##T goes haywire, it's like they have no idea of what to do
they say pilots with a lot of air time in the simulators trying to
Recreate the same procedures that the DOOM pilots experienced
also crash & burned. they need to train re-train pilots in simulators , at least 3 to 4 times a year "MANDATORY.
BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN A CRAZY STRANGE OCCURRENCE MAY HAPPEN!!! 😇
@@meinkamph5327 Lmao a jet of that size does not require (legally) two pilots look up the specs of that make/model of jet obviously you are not a pilot.
I remember directly after the twin towers fell ,the family was allowed to fly out of the usa...many people thought that was strange ,since all planes were grounded
Why would it be strange that before Bush said it was bin Laden did it (WTC), were then all the bin Ladens told to leave or they wanted to leave. It doesn't make sense and doesn't ring true.
I remember that too. Bush got they out of the USA so no one would know they were in the states. Then Bush went after sudam hussan. Because sudam was a thorn in his daddy side.
Everything Bush did was shady.
@@sherrigiles9142 that's the truth!Bush obviously had some kind of connection with bin laden that's why another president had to finish what he started.
Not a conspiracy fan, but money and friends in high places will get you a long way….
Up until last year I was a regular photographer at Blackbushe and on 2014/08/15 this aircraft departed Blackbushe but almost immediately declared a problem with the nose wheel not retracting, They landed back at the airfield and stopped on the taxyway about halfway back to the terminal some one got out and walked to the nose of the aircraft then got back in, it then continued back to the runway and took off again. After reviewing my photos my suspicions were confirmed, they had left the nose wheel lock in place before the first departure ! So much for the pre-flight walk around.
POOR JUDGEMENT TO NOT LOOK FURTHER INTO THE WHEEL ASSEMBLY FOR EXCESS SHOCK, LEAKING SHOCK ABSORBER COMES TO MIND, DAMAGE TO OTHER PARTS OF LANDING GEAR. IDIOTS.
Are you talking about the aircraft in the video?
@@dluscombephantom86 He doesn't know wtf he's talking about.
@@dluscombephantom86 clearly
@@dluscombephantom86 HZ-IBN the one that crashed at Blackbushe
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When I was on a plane that had to abort landing twice, passengers started complainting. They did not understand that an aborted landing is a good thing.
So I'm guessing the pressure from the passengers could have played a role. Maybe not directly during the flight but a simple atmosphere of ''they gonna behead me if I'm late''
And such a pity!
Ala kobe
That was actually my thought. He likely was getting some real pressure to land.
Just glad the terrorist family has lesser members now
Complaining*
Subbed! your speaking style, knowledge and commentary is GENIUS! you have it figured out my friend. keep up the good work!!!!
I'm not a pilot and have rarely been on a commercial plane.
But, I must say, this was the best explanation for a plane crash ever. I understood everything you were saying!
New subscriber!
Who cares what you like. You dont know.
@@outwiththem Check your attitude, fella. Its on the nose, and shows.
@@stuart8663 "Im not a pilot, but i like to stuff the comment section with crap". Stupid to like that. Man up..
@@outwiththem Fix your attitude.
At least it had a happy ending.
A flight of that duration demanded a co-pilot. Single pilot jets are wickedly demanding in the norm, when things start getting sticky things can go down the tubes very fast.
Cool
I don't agree, the problem here is not a great deal of experience in uncontrolled airspace. Basically he was flying into a mess and simply was not used to managing that mess. Guys just become rusty on radio work, they get flustered due to annoying alarms, maybe additional stress. He didn't need another pilot, he needed a button to shut up all the nonse, a simple 6 pack gauge set, no ATC, and being a little bit of a jerk to the prop aircraft in the pattern basically stating his minimum airspeed wouldn't make him compatible in a pattern with them so he would go and make a very long pattern / approach and be in contact with them to make sure there was no conflict. Fly the expensive stuff, take command of situations because it is absolutely less forgiving. A second pilot makes it much, much easier, but it's not absolutely necessary in this instance.
Who cares about any of that? The Bin Ladens were subjected to Hammurabi's code. That's the story here.
this ship jet airlines love to cut around and save money all the time.
Maybe Bin Laden's family could not afford a co-pilot , that is a possibility
This is a classic example of why operators should carry safety pilots.
Although this aircraft type is certified for single crew operation, the workload is just a large as a much bigger jet which requires two crew.
"Single crew" is an oxymoron, isn't it? It would be more accurate to say "uncrewed" since there wasn't a crew at all- just a solo pilot.
@@xmiller7691 Crew can be used in the singular
A demanding, difficult and entitled family being carried as passengers might also have been a factor over and above the technical ones being mentioned here.
And now like a lot of others they are dead
.....so the "demanding, difficult and entitled family" were in the cockpit telling him what to do?
The cause of the crash was explained very clearly in the video.
@@randywl8925 if only you had been paying attention to the story you might have understood it better. I recommend that you go back to whatever establishment attempted to give you an education and ask for a refund as they so obviously failed you.
Yes, that's possible. He's probably flown for them before and knows what they might say or do if they're late or inconvenienced in any way.
Similar to the Kobe Bryant crash... and I'm sure many others.
I've worked for rich people before who are like that. It's not something I'd want to repeat.
@@KutWrite Why is everyone throwing out theories like confetti 🎊. Egos no different than the privileged Bin Ladens?
I guess it warms the tummies of the commenters who shoot from the hip speculating and proving to each other that they hate the wealthy more than the previous commenter.
Hey guys, a plane crashed and the circumstances that led up to it were investigated and found multiple faults.....
....none regarding the passengers....
...I mean the wealthy, greedy, privileged passengers that "don't pay their fair share"
🙄
My 6th grade teacher shocked the class in 1967 when she told us how to spell the word assume.
"When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.
Wise lady.
TCAS doesn’t “ask” you to climb or descend…a TCAS RA tells you to climb or descend. This was a very unstable approach. Normally a Phenom on a stable approach should be no more than Vref+10 knots at 500 ft above ground and less than 1000fpm descent on final approach, which I presume would be around 100-110 kits. If you aren’t stable under those criteria, you should go around. Uncontrolled airports (no ATC on the field) are inherently risky, as you have to be pilot and air traffic controller at the same time.
Actually TCAS doesn't tell you or command you to do a certain action to avoid traffic, it advices you and the pilot ultimately takes the decision.
It bitches at you in a pretty demanding way. It's not demure about it.
@@scavenom2008 By the time you get a Resolution Advisory out of the TCAS, you are within 25 seconds of a calculated collision. Pilots will immediately disconnect the autopilot and follow the RA. A TCAS RA takes precedence over everything else.
> In this age of "everything being equal" mentality;
the TCAS was shouting at the pilot in Chinese.
Yes but his damper valve was clogged up.
I haven't seen any of your videos in a couple years, and I have to say your quality is vastly improved. This one is great and I'm excited to watch all the ones I have missed!
It very much sounds like the pilot became flustered due to the confusion around the ultra light (and overhead traffic) and attempted to correct by forcing the landing, when he should have waited, asked for a go around and just cleared the area completely, and THEN made a "clean" approach to the runway.
It used to get very busy with jet circuit training traffic at my old RAF base, sometimes 4 in the circuit and another to join, controller could get maxed out and risk mistaken identity. So he would tell everyone to leave the circuit and call for rejoin which gave back safe spacing and allowed him get all the order back. He could also tell them to stay over a known visual point and orbit til called in to join.
The video stated clearly that the pilot decision making was affected due to the workload. we all must understand that we are humans and there are certain limits to our capabilities. Due to the workload, he was fixated on landing the aircraft thinking he was going to do it safely . However, it didn't happen as anticipated. The speed brakes cannot be deployed when flaps are retracted.
@@natashapani8798 this incident is fundamental failure of the pilots responsibility . There is no reasonable excuse for not realising your approach speed is 50% higher than it should have been . How could he not understand a go around was necessary ?
Maybe it was not an accident
00:37 His family was escorted out of the US right after 9/11. That's even more questionable to me.
Not true, that was just a fabricated story
Right
Incorrect
inexplicable decision . a go around was absolutely necessary on this missed approach.
Well, the main thing is an airplane flew into the ground killing them all. What goes around comes around. THE END ..
@@classickruzer1 that is one way to rationalize the incident.
What is the difference between a missed approach and a go around?
The pilot here got overloaded and with the mindset that there was traffic all around him felt a stress level to get on ground . Maybe or probably didn’t want to do a go around for fear of airborne conflicts. Just a guess. I see people in stress situations all the time fail to complete tasks that they are clearly trained and experienced at. My two cents . Love your channel bro !!!
There is always more to the story.
Wow, I didn't know that. This is great news. Thanks.
A lot of work for a single pilot, what was a normal routinary approach and landing turn into a complicated maneuver due to distractions from TCAS warnings. Every pilot must always have in mind that if things are not going the way you planned and want it to be, the best decision is to discontinue the approach/landing.
I was in a similar situation a couple of years ago. I bailed (volunteer go around) while still on downwind. I could see a potential disaster coming so I got out of the pattern and lived to tell about it.
What probably happened was what’s called a subtle incapacitation this pilot was bombarded with so much information it essentially broke him sometimes when pilots get in what they deem to be an extremely stressful situation which may be high workload or just something that threw off everything they were going to do they just break and something like this is a result of the pilot breaking now some pilots are better then dealing with stuff than others but an important thing to remember is everyone has a breaking point something similar happened to an airline pilot he had over 3,000 hours of experience all it took was a wind shear warning to break him
@@tyrekegordon2492 Don't be afraid to use a little punctuation now and then, m'kay?
@@tyrekegordon2492 : Good comment. Do you know how to use 'periods' in a sentence? It would make reading your comments easier.
@@Milesco nobody cares if he uses periods commas run on sentences grammaticalll errors phopas punctuation miss cues 😉
Classic case of "Get-home-itis"... with so many conflicts and warning messages so close to landing he should have abandoned the landing completely and flow away for another approach. Blackbushe is just down the road from me and there are many private planes there, flown by amateur aviation enthusiasts. Most are aware of their status and take things ultra-cautiously. This pilot appears to have thought differently. I still remember hearing about this crash on local news channels
1. The Bin Laden Family are a long standing Saudi construction conglomerate since the 1940's.
2. The overwhelming majority of the Bin Laden Family, if not all, had long disowned, disavowed and condemned Osama Bin Laden BEFORE 911.
3. In the immediate hours and days after 911, and with the permission of President Bush & Prime Minister Blair, many members of the Bin Laden family living, working and studying in the United States were given special dispensation to depart America, by several private jets and landed initially in the UK and then on to Saudi Arabia.
Most of what you say is incredibly suspect. #2 however is just plane bullshit.
When documents were taken from Osama's hideout house in Pakistan, it was shown a couple of his daughters were writing to people in that organisation Al Qaueda and describing what to do, according to their father's will, and they were like PAs for him, arranging deeds to be done. He did have many daughters though.
Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention protects Osama's family from being prosecuted for Osama's crimes (unless ofc, they conspired with him to commit those crimes).
Exactly, the rabid fervour of patriotism was dangerous for them to remain. Such is the need for revenge on those shores.
@@Cloudminster rabid fervor of extreme crap like talibanned and al quada was and is far more dangerous/
I was surprised that there was a parking lot full of cars at the end of the runway. Not that I know anything else about it, but I would have thought that that area would have been keep open with only grass and brush the width of the runway for just such an event as going past the runway on landing or takeoff. Anyway, that is how I'd design it if I had the chance.
It's a huge and busy car auctions site at the end of the runway,
I would just build a huge brick wall at the end of the runway and expect pilots to respect it.
Inside job
@@BootsEditor11 "if you can read this, you are going to die."
@@secret222 "Grass may be greener on the other side of this fence, such as it is in heaven"
I rate the pilot 9/11
Lmao
Oh you are naughty...
Don't like what you're seeing on a landing? Too fast, too high? That's a go around. That's usually a test question. Don't chance bending up metal. Sounds like he was too high as well to the point it was obvious to the people on the ground.
I'm not even a pilot (I hope to get my PPL in the future) and even I would have noticed the aircraft was coming in way too hot, aborted the landing and done a fly around but, I'm unsure how my mind would be after being absolutely bombarded by TCAS and once that was over have terrain warnings thrown at you, Bit of mental overload? A bit tired from the flight? Even a combo of both?
The mind being overloaded makes alot of sense because he forgot about the flap settings and tried to engage the speed brake (which obviously failed)
@@davidb3491 They call it get-there-itis. When you get into flying they'll tell you about airport environments and how to behave. I've never flown a jet. However, I could certainly go faster than an airport would want me to. Most airports that service GA aircraft want you around 100 MPH. When he had to climb to avoid traffic to me that was the point he should have contacted ATC and said - tower, I had to avoid traffic. I'm at X feet and need vectors to a new approach. Offer to do another loop around the airport, something. In this video they said he had to descend at 3000 FPM because of his altitude. So this is like a hawk or eagle going in for the kill. It was reckless in that environment. Normally you're more like 500 FPM around an airport approach. When you lose altitude like that depending on how he did it, you're also accelerating. I used to own a tailwheel airplane and I know how to slip down fast. Light tailwheel aircraft have a problem in that they like to go up easily. You dirty up the flight characteristics to get down fast. I don't think he did that because his passengers would likely panic. They would certainly be like - WHAT'S GOING ON! They may have done that anyway. As I said above - abort the landing. Tower, unable to land due to a collision avoidance. Going around. They'll say - maintain runway heading or turn to heading Y, climb and maintain z feet. Then they'll work you in again. There's no shame in going around in a situation like that. The most important thing is that you don't bend up the metal. No aerobatics to land, nothing unusual. Passengers, other pilots and so on like nice normal predictable flying and landings.
The only time that all goes out the window is if you're out of fuel. Then declare an emergency and get it down.
I think he wanted to get it done. "I can make this landing."
So much for the stable approach philosophy.
Lucid and graphic narration!
I hope they all experienced the same emotions, fear, and pain that all those people had on 9-11
Were his family responsible for 9-11?
We are now allies with Japan and Germany who wanted us dead 70 years ago.
His family is well respected, educated and honourable people. That's a horrible thing to say.
Same vibes as hating all Germans coz of Nazis
Bin Landen wanted to kill people. The people he went after didn't want anything to do with them. Respected, more like feared.
“Unfortunately”
Wow. That is extremely eerie
Wow...My guess is, is that this pilot must of been heavily fatigued.
Also, I read in another comment that the pilot tried to do a go around, after touch down, but apparently hit a perimeter fence/wall with the rear of the aircraft. Is this true?
I just want to say that I'm really happy that I found this channel. It is very informative, and I like learning new things. The explanations are so well-made that I can fully understand everything even without studying planes. The vids are a very good length, and because each video is a standalone project, I typically watch 1 or 2 vids while eating dinner as a break from my work/studying. Thanks man. Keep up the good work :)
On 9/11, I was working at McCarren intl airport in Las Vegas, NV. Was strange to stand on the ramp in silence. No engines, no Apu’s..nothing.
In the days after, a private (or corporate) jet came in, fueled and left.
Had good information that it was Bin Ladens Family..they were leaving the country and had permission.
Funny how money can open doors.
OMG
@@johnnyrocco money talks, BS walks, liars fly...liars die. . .?
It happens around Blackbushe - a mix of microlights, GA and biz jets, with some under control of Farnborough radar and others talking to BBS tower. UK airspace is tight enough as it is, then the combo of fast and slow makes it puckering stuff at times.
Ridiculous to have these microlights flying near passenger jets that are differently advised and controlled --- he came down like he was too flustered to try running the gauntlet with these pests again , not too mention his bosses sitting behind. A single pilot --- not enough here.
I wonder if the market was still open that year. It always seemed risky to me having that huge market right next to an airfield.
Thank you / l think the pilot was just overwhelmed ! 👍👍👍👍👍
Long before antiquity, the titan Prometheus gave mankind two great gifts - the secret of fire, and the procedure for a go-around.
Why was a cross country flight at such a low altitude right in the landing pattern zone of an airport? That seems crazy.
Not sure about the UK but in the US, from aopa: We must emphasize that the requirement to comply with the VFR cruising altitudes only applies to those VFR flights conducted higher than 3,000 feet above ground level (agl). Below 3,000 feet agl, other VFR or IFR aircraft could be at any altitude that potentially may conflict with your flight path.Jul 5, 2005
You also must stay above Traffic pattern altitude, tpa, which in this case was 800' for that category of aircraft.
If you're at 3000 or above you must maintain a cruising altitude based on whether you're vfr (+500') or ifr, and whether you're headed east (odd thousands) or west (even thousands)
@@lemonator8813 very insightful, thank you
Uncontrolled airport?
I have done 100 plus miles cross countries under clouds at 6-700 agl. Legal on class E. I was a student 30 hours only. Did it.
@@outwiththem Legal isn’t the same as safe and that’s a very hazardous way to fly. Hope you’re not still scud running at all, let alone for a hundred miles…
My homebase is blackbusche. It is a very busy GA airfield but with a mix of jets. Its not tower controlled and the airspace is complex. Its not a field you can ‘busk’ your way in to.
This saddens me. (That there wasn't more of them on board)
🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Drink very expensive tea"- I loved that.....that, along with Ascot, Henley, Wimbledon, Harrods and dinner at the Ritz are basically what rich folk do in London.
lol as someone who works in Henley on Thames, it's crazy how the 1% live
I pretty much saw it happen. I was driving past the airport seconds after; saw the smoke ball…
Were you !! cause I was at blackbush Basingstoke car auction that same day
@@Zoubirking-1970 yeah I live close so went home and came back on my bike for a good nose round!
@@Zoubirking-1970
I was up at the flying club, I learned to fly there many years ago and during my training somebody else crashed in that same car park but his time not overshooting but landing short following a partial engine failure
@@V8VORLICH no. It’s not a public car park. It’s a large car auction storage area.
Someone who's rated on a Phenom should not have been challenged by the circumstances of this approach, he rushed his approach and broke procedures and ended up high and fast, you don't know what might have been motivating his need to get down fast, in the Phenom your office is situated quite close to your pax if there's some urgency or pax demand on you you'll know about it unlike in larger biz jets, I feel for him and can't help believe in a dual crew CRM environment this would not have happened. Single crew small executive transport is an accident waiting to happen.
@Jack Frost Get-there-itis, probably compounded by the VIP pax. You can bet they were rather snooty and demanding considering 'who' they were. If I'm reading the limited information I've found on Blackbushe, TPA is 2000 agl. That xcountry flight was really pretty low for an overflight. I can't imagine why they went single pilot, all things considered too. That approach was screaming for a go-round !! Another 5 minutes and they would've been on the ground safely. Very hard to really explain for a driver w/ 11k in the book.
The C.I.A. pilots in the Microlite and the other GA aircraft flying X-country arrived at the exact right time and position to make the Phenom pilot react and then re-react, making it look like the hi-speed overshoot was an accident. 🙄
You got it!
spot on
The CIA don't kill the families of their own men.
I was looking for the CIA conspiracy theory comment, and I found it!
No way that was a accident
I'm putting on protective gear before I enter this comment section
3000 ft/min descent is normal... on initial descent from cruise altitude. It may occasionally still be expected below 10000ft depending on the particular airport's approach.
However below 2000ft altitude you hardly even need instruments to verify when your descent rate is over 3 times normal! You can see that 'the ground is coming up awfully fast!'
Amazingly, this is the first time I ever heard about this particular incident. Never heard it covered by any other source. BTW, does the Nord VPN have TCAS or will my phone crash and burn if I go on the "wrong" website?!
I never heard about it either. How weird.
Jolly good old chap the car park at the end of the air strip looks like a smashing idea.
Let's go for a cup of tea shall we.
Amazing video! I literally laughed out loud at the expensive tea comment!😹
My first thought when some more information came out, the passenger was having a go and the pilot was too slow to take control.
A male was sat next to pilot.
Well done by ATC. The only 'fortunately' that belongs in this video is that no one on the ground was injured.
One word for this KARMA !!! I'm a retired Air Traffic Controller. Any good pilot would have landed without conflict. I'm also a pilot. All he had to do was GO AROUND !!! 🤦♀️🤣
Any flight school you recommend?
Could you shed light on Jim Harrington (a former US Air Force pilot) who was flying O*s*a*m*a father? They crashed in 1967 and both were killed.
The family was interrogated thoroughly by multiple authorities including USA, Saudi Arabia after 911 . In fact Saudi Arabia had revoked bin ladens citizenship back in the 1990s and he was living in exile and hiding. Also many of his family members had dissociated with him officially, publicly back in the mid-90s when he was declared an enemy of the state by the Saudis. So it’s a huge family and 90% of them had openly dissociated with him in the mid-90s , years before 911 happened.
Do you think it’s a little weird how they liquidated most of their investments before 9/11 except for the Carlyle group. Do you think it’s kind of weird that the Carlyle group invest in US military contractors and the Bin Ladens only divested after they were essentially pushed out by the board?
@@DarkArtsDeepDive that’s bs conspiracy theory dude! If anything mysterious selling in insurance companies and airlines stocks happened in USA days before 911 amd the US govt refused to disclose which hedge funds did it. In fact the Silversteins who owned the twin towers had them insured at considerably higher levels months before 911 even though they were trying to find buyers for the Towers for well over a year. Al Qaeda and it’s affiliates have killed 100 times more people in attacks in Middle East before and after 911 in places Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen than they did in the 911 attacks.
"...So it’s a huge family..." That's what happens when you have multiple wives in multiple generations, and they became fabulously wealthy by being the largest builder for the Govt. of SArabia...which is where Osammy got his $$ to go play army, AND a healthy amount of $$ to for him to go away, far away, so as not to sully the family image with the gov't.
@@blackandgold676 what? Arab gulf society is tribal based even today. So a tribe has maybe 200,000 people but the tribal is maintained in ID cards etc. that doesn’t mean everyone with bin laden surname is fabulously wealthy amd appears on mtv or lifestyles of the rich and famous! The west gave up tribal identification in the 1500s to 1600s. But it was the same when it was in effect. So you are totally confused on how it works. Just like every kennedy alive today isn’t in politics or wealthy, so it’s the same there. Yes obviously the immediate bin laden family are all well heeled amd these passengers were from there. Also, we all know what goes on in the west where there are websites for married men amd women looking for sex partners. Amd sugar daddies in their 50s and 60s and beyond paying college tuitions for willing 21 year old women in return for ……. So please let’s not go down that route!
Don't care, still wahabbists.
Excellent 👍
Anything that removes evil is a good thing
Immediate family “not sanctioned or something” because they were NOT the ones who committed the crime. By this logic, the families of all murderers would have their freedoms curtailed because “a family member did a crime”. Ridiculous to state this.
When documents taken from Osama's hideout house in Pakistan, it was shown a couple of his daughters were telling people in Al Queda what to do, according to their father's will and were like PAs for him, arranging deeds to be done.
Yeah just like how if you house and render aid to a murderer you are considered a totally innocent party! Oh wait...
Then figure he is THE western enemy and you start to realize it's not such a crazy comment is it? No reason countries need to allow them to fraternize in their countries regardless of whether the family are 'guilty' of any crimes.
they never helped? prove it
This is surprising because right now the families and even associates of Russian oligarchs are sanctioned
Hi I have a question, does anyone else have trouble with the sound (volume) on these videos? I have everything up to maximum, ( I use a laptop windows 10) and it is still difficult to hear. This only happens on this channel, have checked all the settings and everything is ok.
This is NOT a criticism of this channel as I watch every video and love them all. Thank you
I'm on W10 as well, and use a addon for more volume on Firefox (browser).
Another question. Why was there a car park right at the end of the runway?
why was this news not main stream in the UK when it happened, never heard of this until now.
How ironic...
The pilot probably should have just abandoned the landing attempt and applied power and climbed out. Better to go around than to try to stop in too short a distance. He FAILED to understand his situation.
Hey a local one for me! Weird that it was so close to me yet I had no idea about it
In a situation as this, its commonly known that the TCAS may have been low on blinker fluid upon final approach. Every pilot's worst case scenario given that he had to perform such drastic maneuvers last minute under pressure.
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Wow! I never thought about the blinker fluid being low, but it would make sense as this plane is well known for chewing up muffler bearings when the fluid goes low. Between the TCAS warnings going off, the cockpit CaMBO (Catastrophic Muffler Bearing Overheat) warning lights and alarm, let alone the red hot bearing chunks rocketing through your engines, they didn't stand a chance of landing that bird. They never realized that they'd been banged by the dick of doom.
Low Blinker Fluid has been known to cause quite a few horrific accidents. Some not accidents too. Sometimes people eliminate the Blinker Fluid in order to cause chaos.
@@tigergreg8 Damn those chaotic bastards! Just "fun 'n games" until someone pokes an eye out. Then, it's just fun! But that's beside the point.
Commonly known? I guess I am out of the loop on this one. Why do you say that TCAS is low on blinker fluid at this altitude? How does it work when an aircraft is low?
Couldn't have happened to a nicer family... Condolences to the pilot's family.
Exactly my thoughts.
the family is actually very nice and dont share the views of their son at all. ive heard a story from someone who has meet them that osama was the black sheep of the family who went off the deep end. the daughter was actually very smart lived in switzerland was super successful changed her last name for obvious reasons. she actually wrote a great article about why the us should avoid illegal immigration and accepting so many refugees and what it could lead to. but yea pretty ignorant you are
@@WisKy64VT At least it didn't fly I to a building... Good riddance.
Osama was a castaway from his family I believe
You know there's millions where these rats came from right?
Pilot disorientation can come in many forms and hamper situational awareness. In this case my guess was a combination of altitude, speed and a relatively novice piolet. Navy and Airforce pilots, in the largest and smallest of aircraft, are trained in routine rapid decent and short runway landings
The pilot in this example had over 11,000 hours.
11,000 hours doesn't mean anything if he hadn't had to experience things like these before. A go around was necessary.
Similar situation happened to me and another pilot. I left the pattern and re-entered the downwind and allowed the other pilot to land. The hole time communicated my intentions. I won't place blame on anyone. I just took control of the situation to ensure a positive outcome.
God bless you Larry.
@@regal8343 Thank you!
@@larrys.3992 Have you flown to Africa before?
The question asked is why do we think this happened. Maybe pressure from the back seats, late take off time, scheduling conflict. The pilot was compelled to be foolish and with 11k hrs he had to have known he was too high and too fast. Maybe just arrogance. I was in a beech hp sierra near palmdale ca. and atc had me land and take the first exit which I could not slow for. He had to divert a regional airline to go around. He got mad at me and I told him I was the pilot, not him. This was on loud speaker and when I went into the coffee shop I got a few handshakes and smiling nods.
PIC is final arbiter of safety. You get my upvote for standing up to unsafe instructions.
I also agree with your "back seat pressure" and schedule pressures.
What is a Beech hp sierra?
Apparently being related to a criminal is not a crime.
Even so, a good way to catch a criminal is to track the closest relatives. Letting them travel into Britain would allow monitoring communication.
@@adeptavatar9394 No offense intended… but I’m sure you know… we have the technology to monitor anyone anywhere.
@@wcolby I mean sure, but that's another reason to not arrest them and let them go where ever. Just monitor their communication, don't arrest them, and let them reveal where Bin Laden is in some message. Letting them travel to Britain just makes all that far easier, plus gives them a false sense of confidence.
Apparently it is. Ask the follower of Bin Laden (he also was a teacher) who the CIA blew up spurring 9/11
@@adeptavatar9394 Osama Bin Laden died in 2011! Crash was in 2015........
You should not be held responsible for the crimes or debts of your father or siblings. One should be held responsible, for his own actions.
A good family.. Yes. A bad family... NOOOO !!
Such a virtuous man. Must be a liberal...who wants whites to pay reparations. 😂
He should make another run around. It seem like the control tower not experience enough or carelessly not detect 3 flight in the same time.
Pilot overlooked the key rule… when not sure… go round!
He was too eager to land. If he was overwhelmed he should’ve left the traffic pattern, gather his thoughts and try the landing again. On my first dual cross country the airport had a lot of other pilots doing pattern work. Both myself and my instructor got a bit overwhelming because we couldn’t locate some of the traffic in the pattern. So I took control, climbed to 1,500 feet, left the pattern so we could readjust our minds and came back in for a successful landing.
Experience should have told him to go around, safety of passengers and aircraft should override everything
@6:12 ... unknown to the controller ?
is that the Fat controller on Thomas the tank engine ?
or the "air traffic controller" ?
i believe as what you said in the video, the workload from all the warnings coming and probably confusing him just stressed him out and he wanted to get out of there
I've a strong suspicion that, though he wasn't under any chemical influence, the pilot was likely fatigued.
Fatigued and over-stressed as a result of the workload.
When this happens the brain just switches OFF and cannot process
all the information - it is the same that happens when one is intoxicated with alcohol.
One cannot distinguish what is past and what is present.
As a former AIRFORCE pilot with thirty years service - I understand what ,
happened here.
My career began in the RAF in 1960
Tired,impatient and probably just a little upset
@@andrew_koala2974 From a former heavy helicopter pilot: fully agreed and I understand what happened as well
on a hurry to land, have a second pilot does helps, the other one is up the other one could take a nap in between. when you tired even a 30 minutes nap while seating can make all the difference at least to land the plane safely.
too bad ATC didn't warned him of approaching too fast in a much bigger airport with more traffic they would have told him to go around.
He may have been fast coming across the numbers, but he certainly could see that he was very long on touch down. A full power go-around would have saved lives and a good airplane.
I "GET IT"....touche'👍
The bin Laden's weren't sanctioned because bin Laden's father had like 50 sons and one of them turned out to be a bad apple.. the bin Laden's run one of the most successful construction companies in Dubai and other spots of the Middle East
Narrator: couldn't there be a sanction on the binladens?
Life: *sanction*
Imagine you're driving down the freeway, left lane of 4. A car passes you, being chased by 25 police cars. The cars around you are speeding up or slowing down to dodge into your lane. In the midst of all this, you cut across all 4 lanes because you "just have to make your exit."
I watched a guy in a Nissan sports car go from the inside lane (# 1) crossed four lanes (I was in lane 4) and literally hit his exit. Problem was that he was still doing about 60 and about 60 degrees to the exit path. He hit the guard rail and slid about 30 yards along it. He did not bounce out when he hit. I don't know how badly he was hurt, but his 280Z was about 2/3 its normal length.
Sounds like Milwaukee
@@insylem A lot of sports cars there?
@@653j521 No, just alot of shit drivers
Probably along 43 either northbound or southbound near the area of downtown in Milwaukee.
it be interesting to have the communications between air traffic and the microlight in question ! how do they got into conflict in a controlled airport ?? even in an uncontrolled airspace that happening its extremely rare ! they should had run some test on the controller as well ! in no way the decision on who land first or second's up to the pilots ! as soon as air traffic realised there was a conflict ( assuming they did, the way it looks like .... ) they should had directed the phenom into a hold and let the microlight land first ( its safer so there is risk of it entering in the wake of the phenom ) the stress on the pilot was heavy but in no way exceptional at all .. there is another factor ! I used to work in business aviation, 30% of the stress come from the clients ! theirs demands according to them have too be met ! and the airline push the crews to meet these demands ( they're afraid to loose the clients ) In any crash its also very important to look into that as well ! I worked 4 years in business aviation ... never again ! I rather fly containers
Blackbushe has what we in the UK call an AFISO, aerodrome flight information service officer. He has control over ground movements, but not over any movements in the air! It's a way of saving money as you don't need a full blown ATCer on the box! We have 3 levels of radio service, A/G is air to ground, it is advisory only and the operator of the radio is not necessarily qualified! AFISO is as described above, and then you have full ATC. As described in the video, the pilot of the pilots were all talking to the AFISO, whereas they should have been talking to each other, as the AFISO has nothing to do with them until they land! So your first sentence is not accurate, they were in basically uncontrolled AIRspace, once on the ground there was some control! Also the decision as to who go's first would indeed be down to the procedures laid down in the AIP not the controller or the pilots! It would have been down to who was there first and the give way rules. In my experience the slowest aircraft would give way to the Jet, as he was intending by extending downwind, the jet should have had his ears open and allowed that to continue instead of extending himself. The reason is simple, the speed a jet flies in the pattern is way faster than a microlight, so the time it takes a microlight to land and clear the runway the jet would have to extend by a few miles or more, whereas the micro would only extend by a mile. Just to be clear, this piece of airspace is very congested, only 5 miles to the east is Heathrow's Surface to 2500 class D, and only 2 miles to the south is Fanrboroughs ATZ! throw in a couple of Danger areas a few miles to the east and it's a lot to manage in a jet flying around 130Kn pattern speed at low altitude. From other comments it sounds like the pilot had experience of Blackbushe, so should have been aware of the need to fly an extremely accurate circuit and the likleyhood of encountering slower traffic? As stated before, it sounds like the VVIP pax may have been partly to blame for the excess stress on the pilot, but that in no way excuses such bad airmanship!
I'm quite impressed the microlight was TCAS compatible
I must be losing it. I don’t remember hearing anything about this.
Given the situation, NordVPN might have saved the day by eliminating those pesky warning messages. They need to get that software approved for single pilot operation.
Finally, a Mini Air Crash Investigation with a happy ending.
Crashes like this make me afraid of non-towered airports, ESPECIALLY when we have Microlights mixed with bizjets in the pattern
Always remember my flight instructor, "You can always GO-AROUND" ! Sad.
Why would the family be responsible for the actions of a hate filled member?
why wouldn't they..if they were guilty of collusion.
The Bin Laden family having permission to fly anywhere shouldn't be surprising in the context that Saudis get preferential visas all around the world. Even in the wake of 9/11 (14 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi) this preferential treatment was not suspended.
During the 'muslim ban' controversy Saudi Arabia never made it to the list. Again, they continued to have preferential visas.
thats pretty wild, why youd need something like deep ties to multiple generations of an american political dynasty to make that happen!
It's because the Bin Laden family are bankers, and they are part of the world banking system.
Yah people dont understand bin laden had dozens of bros sisters aunts uncles and hundreds of first cousins
Bidens and Clintons allowed to fly anywhere also🤫
Money talked and bullshit walks. America is up for sale !!
Grim, and fascinating.
Although it calls itself an airport Blackbushe is actually a general aviation air field for private pilots rather than an airport. Nearby Farnborough is where most charter jets go. The aircraft which use this field tend to be slow single propellor jobs. Not à good mix when fast jets enter the equation.
A complicating factor is that Farnborough, Lasham and RAF Odiham are all close by. You can see all of the simultaneously from a glider above Lasham.
Apparently, the bin Laden family ran a large construction company in Saudi Arabia. Osama was the black sheep of the family. Another half brother, Salem bin Laden was a big aviation proponent. He was a pilot and had his own aircraft; ultimately he died when it crashed. But even more interesting is that Salem bin Laden owned a GA airport, Houston Gulf in Texas. Many NASA astronauts had their personal aircraft based at Houston Gulf because it was jus a few miles from NASA, located in League City. Back in the late 1980s, I made a flight into Houston Gulf myself, a friendly airport. Anyway, like so many GA airports, it has been wiped off the map and replaced with a residential subdivision. Local officials just could not generate enough interest to operate it after Salem died.
I was an integral part of Bin Laden Aviation, later called Salem Aviation, in the 1980's and flew with Salem on numerous occasions. Bin Laden Aviation owned and managed over 10 aircraft at that time and Salem enjoyed piloting his Lear 25, HZ-SMB. Salem also owned and flew a number of ultra lite aircraft and was killed while attempting to land an ultra lite aircraft at a small airport near San Antonio,Texas. I also knew many family members including Sana.
Osama was taken by the Americans to Afghanistan in the 80's to fight the Soviets. He was not a Black Sheep then.
However, he developed some ill-will to the Americans and became anti-US.
@@asiaexpat62 look out, there are a few people (and 10+ others who've been liking their comments) who would evidently wish death upon you for being associated with someone named Bin Laden, just as they have for the poor people who perished in the crash this video is talking about. some sick freaks we have on the internet (probably some of my fellow Americans, who shouldn't be encouraging guilt by association coming from such a country with such a... storied history, let's say)
@@asiaexpat62 That's super cool! Totally spit-balling here, but maybe the aircraft hijacking attack on 9/11 was just as much a middle finger to his accepted and respected brother as it was to America. Like, he wanted to drive a wedge between his influential family and the West with one of the primary symbols of their cooperation...
Talk about high drama: a family feud that set the world on fire. That's Hapsburg levels of petty.
I guess that was Salem's lot.
A few thoughts on your analysis: "Brainstorming traffic resolution" is well within the capabilities of most pilots, it's expected and we first learn these skills in the pattern at our local GA field or pilot training base, I disagree that a tower controller may have done anything but resolve the initial confusion created by the microlight and Phenom pilots and it's entirely likely he would have just cleared them to execute that plan (Phenom #1, microlight #2). Next, I was not familiar with this accident until your video, but you do not clarify whether the Phenom received a TA (Traffic Advisory) or an RA (Resolution Advisory), though you do imply two RAs in the textual description to the video. When TCAS issues a TA, the pilot is not required to maneuver, in fact the system simply says "traffic, traffic" and provides no other guidance. During an RA, the pilot is required (by regulation) to follow the RA-provided climb or descent to resolve the impending collision/conflict. It's unclear from your video what the Phenom pilot received and what he was required to do, though you do imply it was a descent in the description below the video itself. I also have to assume it was an RA received by the Phenom during the base turn as the jet turned and descended towards the microlight, obligating the pilot to climb away from the conflict. In that case, the Phenom pilot did what he should have, that is, climb. It's at this point that I personally would have just gone around/discontinued the approach/executed an overshoot (British), as the approach has already been interrupted and put the aircraft in a position to high to safely continue the approach. I've personally gone around many, many times for getting too close to preceding traffic with overhead traffic present. This requires the pilot to sandwich themselves at an altitude to avoid the traffic and simply proceed straight ahead over the runway, even offset a little to prevent overflying traffic on the runway. The second TCAS alert (clarified as an "adjust vertical speed" RA in your video description, which means simply to not climb so steeply) added to the confusion, but both conflicts would have likely been avoided if the Phenom pilot would have gone around. In any event, ending up so high and fast on final would have mandated the go around instead of the unstabilized approach and crash which resulted. Always better to go around and try again in those situations and the pilot's failure to do so was really the cause of this accident. Though you mention the different TCAS modes in your description, the video itself is not as detailed and spending an additional 20 seconds to clarify these modes would have added a lot to your description of this accident. Also, what did the accident report cite as the contributory and casual factors in this accident?
I think that it’s a short piece of entertainment rather than a formal accident investigation. A CAA accident investigation and a YT snippet have different audiences. Both are valid.
@@robinwells8879 agreed, like everything else on YT or social media, it's only for entertainment/information value. Reading the actual accident report would reveal all the details. I didn't intend to sound like I'm complaining about the video...there are some good lessons to glean simply from the information as presented (#1, if not in a safe position to land, go around). My critique here is simply to offer some observations on how the creator, who obviously is interested in this topic, can improve his story telling skills by presenting the information more accurately and completely.
Some things just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside
Quite an ironic ending for a family with such a history
News alert, 2 crew cockpits are a MUST in a jet !!
Exactly. That’s what I am preaching for more than 20 years. NO SINGLE PILOT JET/TURBOPROP OPERATIONS !
That's crazy talk. They simply are not that hard to fly. If you had to monitor turbine inlet temps constantly or other issues that were a problem in earlier non-FADEC jets then yet. But that workload isn't there. The V speeds are easy to memorize. The modern controls are very intuitive. Heck even the radios are easier because you can preload everything into the system including charts. It's rediculous. The problem is lack of classic stick and ball and too much auto pilot, auto land, automated ILS approaches, etc. Scanning the instruments and maintaining course, altitude, airspeed is a perishable skill. It sounds like this guy was tired or stressed or something was going on. BE SAFE .... remember emotion is one of those E's.
Guess you never heard of an F-18, Harrier, F-15, F-16 etc etc etc.
@@drott150 breaking news when things go wrong in a fast jet you pull the yellow handle and bang out of there……
Baby Bizz jets don’t have the luxury of the finest cream of the crop up in the pointy end, single crew civilian jet pilots can and will get over loaded!
@@megathumper777 Oh, oh fast jet...well why didn't you say so!? And you're so right. Those dummy biz jet pilots are half as smart as fast jet pilots so ya gotta have two at all times! Never mind that many of those biz jet pilots were fast jet pilots before being biz jet pilots. _Genius!_ 😂
They use to be invested in allied defense as well. They are friends with the Bush family.
Cross country trip, let’s fly directly over a busy airport
Task saturation. I couldn't imagine all those warnings over 2 min on top of everything else going on. That is what led to target fixation.
I'm surprised the microlight would have an expensive TCAS system installed. TCAS requires both aircraft to have TCAS, and their TCAS systems communicate with each other to determine the desired action. Morel likely is that the jet pilot recognized he was getting close to the microlight and climbed without a TCAS alert, then TCAS alerted the second conflict with another aircraft that had TCAS installed.
It's unlikely the microlight had TCAS. Based upon the video, the pilot saw or was made aware of the microlight. It was actually the other aircraft, doing a cross country flight that triggered the TCAS in the Phenom.
In Europe all airplanes have at least Mode S transponders and that should give the jet’s TCAS all necessary info to produce a TCAS RA.
I would agree with your statement.
The likelihood of the micro-light being fitted with TCAS
is highly unlikely.
Purchasing and installing such a system would cost more than the micro-light.
@@andrew_koala2974 In Europe all aeroplanes must have at least a Mode S transponder fitted, which should give the jet's TCAS all the necessary information to produce a TCAS RA.
Both airplanes do not need TCAS installed, just a transponder. The jet had TCAS, the microlight didn't
I never heard of this , very interesting. So many things seem so wrong & with the Bin Laden family.
Indeed, they were best friends with your Bush dynasty/family.
@@toonmag50 ...but it's no surprise where they were planning on landing, and assumedly in very good standing too...where, why that would be the UK, where the Bin Ladens appear to have had a very special relationship indeed...a lot of the people who hate the USA seem to have lovely relations with the UK Government, and it's London banks. People like Chelsea Manning, Julien Assange, Edward Snowden, Glen Greenwald and husband/wife, the UK's Pentagon hacker, the Osama Bin Laden family, etc. etc.
@@JuneBaby01 rubbish comment immediately deleted ,which seems to be the fashion at the moment.
Rubbish fairy tale comments like yours need to be removed on the grounds of lies and BS.
It curious because at that landing speed he could have easily done a bump and another go around.