I think it's more accurate to say that he repressed his emotions more in low honor High honor seems like a genuine character at the age of arthur, while low honor seems like he's being controlled by an evil being
Fun fact: Peter Blomquist said this was his favorite scene to play as Micah. He actually practiced how to draw dual wield guns like that. It took about 23 takes and a whole week for him to get it right.
@@siranon Besides still being able to live for i guess 30 seconds, John was shot +20 times. His death, alongside kieran's, were the most brutal ones to me.
@@houledea1073 wdym the most sense? Isn't it just based on the player? I have a friend that just gets bored and shoots up anyone in his way to a new mission but I just feel bad for clicking on pixels so I have high honor lol
@@houledea1073 Yeah that actually somewhat makes sense, I guess... Dutch, Micah and Charles constantly tell Arthur that they see he has a good heart underneath the evil but Dutch even tells that to Micah, Micah is a lunatic and Charles is so honest and good that I think he just wants to see the good in Arthur. When they move camps in Chapter 2, they find a man's stranded family bc he was kidnapped and Arthur gives 0 fucks and tells them to tear down their camp and gtfo lol. I think he would kill and rob anyone if the risk is manageable, maybe not a complete random because story wise it doesn't make sense to get 57 cents and putting yourself and the crew at risk. I'm curious, what makes you say he's not completely selfish as his low honor self?
@@theoutsiderjess1869no he means Low Honor Arthur would not have let Micah linger around as long as he did. Low Honor Arthur would have killed him as soon as chapter 3 if he didn’t kill him for the shitstorm in strawberry first
Micah's situational awareness and ability to quickly act even as Bill and Arthur are taken off guard really is the epitome of "sometimes having a bad guy on your team is for the best."
Micah was super useful, and in better times he might have even been a boon to the gang. Problem was he had joined them at the tail end of their good times, and he only sped up their end.
Evolutionary Psychology has a lot to say for psychopaths. You would think they would get bred out by society or selective co-operation. Reality is there is something to be said about having the village sociopath who can do the things others can't.
@@clintonknight9798 they aren't actually useful in combat situation. Psychopaths - formally saying, people with antisocial personality disorder - experience fear in a different way, it actually doesn't hold them back (and sometimes can even make them take more risk). Psychopaths die early in combat situations. To be fair, i don't think Micah is a psychopath. He's a manipulative SOB, but he has a couple of scenes where we can see him become really anxious socially. (Like when he wants to dance with Mary-Beth and gets shot down.)
Even the tone of the background music that matches each of Arthur's narrations is different. It's a beautiful touch. High honor is sad but hopeful and reflective. Low honor is cold and foreboding, with a menace that brings shivers.
@@crzvm1lk I didn't play RDR 2 but i think they mean that they still bury him in low honor but it's done off-screen. So the difference is that Arthur cares more about the confederate gold in low honor but he cares more about Sean's death in high honor
Right? Micah have no chances against Arthur in hand to hand combat, but he's a top gunslinger, arguably same level as Arthur and John. We saw his dead eye moment right after Sean got shot
Micah is a menace with those irons. The moment his hand pulls that cold red and black death handle, the other NPCs shudder. Knowing they'll never be able to kiss their wife again, or hold their children.
Yeah, I kinda wish we had both. The intense vulture scene first, and then maybe Arthur saying the "little brother" lines in camp or some other fashion afterwards. You'd get the best of both worlds.
@@Taima we literally have both, he writes both about the gold and how he cared about Saen in his journal regardless of honor, honor only effects which part he is narrating in this particular scene.
@@DividendFiend If I remember correctly, they were 'inaccurate' because they had insane poundage on their trigger pulls, compared to the 3 or 4 typical in single actions, these instead being almost if not over 10 pounds. That means every time you pull the trigger without cocking the hammer back, you had a good chance of pulling your barrel off target.
@@captainhostile101 only reason why they were frozen was because Sean got offed, if Micah got offed no would be that hurt that they'd stay still there for a solid 3 seconds
@@Muksss find that hard to believe, Micah was until a point albeit a piece of shit, a valuable asset to the gang. They froze because its a normal human reaction when something like this happens, only that Micah is more quick on the trigger and was on guard better. I still think they'd all be dead if it wasnt for Micah.
@@nyodene dead eye isn't an actual skill, it just represents how good of gunslingers characters are. Besides, if dead eye actually existed, Micah would also probably have one
0:17 A bit of a shout-out to Rockstar's subtitle work here. Sean's final line is completely subtitled despite being cut off in-game, keeping what happens a surprise even for speed readers. More games should do that.
not really, i took alot of time with this game and i kept low honor almost the whole time until finding out arthur was sick. Then i kinda started "rushing" because i felt it was not immersive spending another 100 hours strolling around. And i knew we would play as john so i wouldnt lock myself out of anything.
Guess each‘s Character Death in RDR is a representation of they worst fears or best dreams. Guess Sean was too innocent to be tortured like Arthur, but still not a mess like John in 1. Hm. Almost feel happy for him.
@@akiluro2981 Thats a really good view, never thought about it like that. The same applies to lenny because even though he was panicked due to the robbery, he only had a split second of fear. Unfortunately same couldnt be said for Hosea
@@ItsBirdzJavier meets his end by damming them all to hell, all he wanted was a luxurious life, Bill met his end by the opposing Military forces, Hosea was killed during a hustle, Grimshaw was killed standing against Dutch her ex bf, Molly was killed by another woman of Dutch’s past, Strauss was killed without saying a single word or making a single deal, Uncle died having to work, John died being a father/husband
@@akiluro2981 Didn't he wanted to die in a shootout but instead died by being ambushed without even having a chance of returning fire? He didn't get his wish.
Sean reminded me of the soldiers I had under me. I honestly got a little teary eyed considering we just burned a tobacco farm together. High honor is clearly the superior experience.
I like that low and high honour Arthur aren't different people, just different facettes of the same, complicated person. I like it when games with these kinds of "morality trackers" do that, instead of portraying the protagonist as either a total saint or total monster. Another good example of this imo is Daud in the DLC(s) for Dishonoured 1, where he is either motivated by regret and a desire to attone for his actions before the end - or a panicked, desperate attempt to escape the consequences of his own actions. Both feel like fitting (if opposite) character arcs for the same person, and I think it's the same with Arthur.
High honor Arthur is so much more satisfying. He's a conflicted man who, in another life, would have been a better man. It makes his death hurt even more, which makes the game a masterpiece.
I think that's how most cowboys pay respects to their friends and to their opponents after after dueling. It's either a kick to the boot or kick sand on them, if there is sand
this is why I went max honor arthur and low honor john, to me it just fit the story line and voice acting better and overall got better cut scenes out of it.
For me, i hovered around the middle of the honor bar, usually on the lower side, but when Arthur got diagnosed with TB, I was like, "I gotta get my shit in order before I kick the bucket."
Hilariously that could've been me, but it also could've been literally anybody else, I guess. Part of what I said was the game subtly hints that they want you to play bad, at first, I tend to miss these little hints, especially in games like this where Rockstar is known for holding the player's hand through setpieces and so forth. The two biggest hints are if you save the Blackwater witness Arthur will suggest that it's out of character for him. (I think you're "supposed to" do this though) the other is making the collection for Strauss. It would be interesting if these kinds of hints exist to subtly pull the player the other way after his diagnosis though, to a writer it would just feel like a natural evolution, but to some players they might not see any reason to play the game any differently than they had been.
The moment i stopped my low honour playthrough was with the diagnosis. I feel thats the realistic place. It's a shock to his core and i feel itd rustle his jimmies enoigh for him to rethink his life.
The first time I heard Arthur dialogue on chapter 3 as someone who only play high honor and low honor Arthur scared the hell outta me the way he didnt care about Sean broke my heart
Micah was a good fighter. I don't think anybody ever said anything bad about him when it came to his skill in a fight. It was just literally everything else about him 😆😆
@@theoutsiderjess1869yeah I’ve seen Micah get folded by Charles, Javier, John, and a sick Arthur, also he won’t dare fight Lenny all the times he comes at him, and it’s hella dope that everytime Micah picks on Lenny, Arthur backs him up and Micah cowers away. Micah’s a coward at heart, he won’t fist fight but he will shoot you the first chance he gets
Dang I need to replay as high honor throughout the entire story. I was low honor throughout most of it then started changing my ways when I realized Arthur was running out of time lol
The way you played with the honor is probably how Arthur did. Low honor or middle honor on the bar until he got diagnosed and he started changing his ways and actively trying to raise his honor
@@kerlyestrada1884 I started changing my ways right after Arthur is in Saint Denis and passes out from coughing and then sees the doctor. It was right there when I decided to change my ways lol
I did mostly good/neutral run (got the neutral and good endings) so now I started on the low honor playthrough, just being the absolute worse scum possible.
I can’t even put into words how devastated I was when Sean died. He was the only death I wasn’t spoiled for, and he was the one I ended up most attached to
I had high honor all the way until Arthur died. I was really attached to him and the choices I made him go through with. He felt realer than most people I know.
holy shitballs ive NEVER been able to bring myself to play as low honor arthur so I never saw this before. Damn that was cold with those scavenger birds picking at the bodies and arthurs "meh" retelling of seans skull getting opened up
Yh, I just naturally played high honour and felt bad after harming innocent people. I think I made the right choice bc I got to see the beautiful Arthur death in which he sacrifices himself for John and died staring at the sunset. I only kill O'Driscolls, racists and slavers.
Fun fact: the drawing in the journal is different depending on the honor level as well. With High honor, Sean lays away from the viewer, flat on his back as if he were sleeping, with his hat askew and face obscured. With Low honor, Sean lays towards the viewer, his disfigured face is prominently shown and he lays crumpled up.
High honor speech: a good man who loves those caught up in a unraveling gang, just as he is. Low honor: A warrior, a killer, just frustrated by a lack of money and his team is losing manpower.
That little cinematic really hammered home that if arthur and micah were voth very capable gunemen and would be unstoppable if they could get along, but arthur looked after the camp as his responsibility and micah only served himself
Regions and where my honor stands on it. Valentine's - Low Honor Rhodes - Decent Honor Saint Denis - Low Honor Guarma - Decent Honor Annesburg - High Honor Reason for this is because in Arthur's prime, he is unstoppable, but ruthless, a force to be reckoned with. It's only till after Chapter 2, he begins trying to be a better person, but when Sean dies, like here, he has a heartfelt moment about his death, and it hardens him, so you go to Saint Denis, where he's back to being cruel and ruthless. Only till Hosea and Lenny get shot and killed, does Arthur consider his fate, but it's put to a hold as he gets taken away by the ocean, and lands himself in a place ruled by a cruel dictator. After seeing the poor people with nothing, it reminds Arthur of what he stood for, and how he has a noticeable cough as consistent as day and night. When he returns, he has a moment with his "Family" until it is ruined by the Pinkertons. When they move to Annesburg, he begins to rethink his choices when he comes across little Ms. Downes, worrying of her son's health. That moment, struck Arthur in his heart that there's still good in him, and to use his time he has left to make things right. On the Top of the hill, as Arthur grows weaker, he dies having the hard earned honor to put him at peace, knowing he tried to do right by others instead of giving in to his greed and selfishness.
For me it was right after Arthur left the doctors office, I saw the Wolf walk by on the street and finally realized what the Wolf meant and since then did my absolute best to be a kind guy in the game, I think thats exactly how the developers hoped cause it was so damn perfect
Damn i disapointed myself when i finished the last mission you play as Arthur (Red Dead Redemption < mission name), I had low honor and thought he'd die looking at the sunset, but no stupid Micah cam and shot him in the head
If you forgive people's debt, kick out strauss and help the Downes and finally help John up that Mountain you will get thr Death Arthur envisioned as the game give you a massive high honor boost fowards the end
@@theoutsiderjess1869 Yh i got that first time, and i genuinely teared up. Arthur died as he would have liked, staring into the sunset and dreaming about the West.
I stopped playing as low honor Arthur when he got diagnosed with tuberculosis. In fact, I only managed to get good honor when I decided to help John in the final mission, otherwise I would be in trouble
Micah not only super fast here, his awareness top notch, in milliseconds he understand from where was the shot, from where they became surrounded, this scene just chefs kiss. You can say every thing you want about Micah, but he's a great gunslinger, cold and fast thinking, even Arthur that anticipated ambush cant react that fast
Oh yeah, Micah was always Arthur's equal in combat. It basically goes: S Tier: Arthur, Micah, Dutch A Tier: John, Sadie, Javier, Charles B Tier: Bill, Hosea, Susan, Lenny, Karen C Tier: Sean, Kieran D Tier: Abigail, Uncle, Pearson the rest are non-combatants and don't rank
the title makes me think of a low honor, emotionally numbed arthur hearing himself shrug off sean's death so casually, going "when did i become such a piece of shit" and deciding to make a change
My favorite arhtur thoughts are when he talks about the fire that burns inside saddie for the love of her husband and the one where he expresses guilt for not being able to save kieran after kieran saved him.
Idk and idgaf but low as hell honor is the absolute most fun and enjoyable way to play this masterpiece of a game, with both Arthur and John. No doubt about it.
Thanks for showcasing this sorta stuff, cuz I just don’t have it in me to play low honor. Sure, I kill plenty of people and whatnot, but I generally like to play games as a “what would I do in this situation” sorta thing so it always comes out as decent honor. What’s funny is I’m not too sure if my real life honor is actually is as high as any games’ usually is.
My best playthrough experience is starting with Low Honor and then when people start to die and Arthur gets sick start doing the High Honor choices, he goes from emotionless and having to get shit done to actually showing he is a good man who cares for people and he is scared of dying, and the game itself makes the arch of Arthur doing those terrible things from low honor to the type of person he really was to get High Honor and the good ending
High: Im devastated, this pain will never end. A brother taken from us at a tender age, what a tragedy. Low: No gold. Huh. Also someone killed that Sean lad.
I remember my first play through with this mission, I said out loud whooooaaa shoot, I was super bummed and I swear before Arthur even said he was like an annoying little brother that’s exactly how I felt about Sean, Arthur gave Sean a hard time but he cared about him
I think people tend to misinterpret how Arthur "doesn't seem to care about Sean" with low honor. He certainly doesn't sound happy about it either way. Low honor Arthur is just more calloused. He doesn't beat around the bush. He states the facts and is very cynical about things. He probably still cared about Sean and regretted his passing, but he's repressed his emotions to the point where he can only look forward and would choose not to reminisce, as he would probably feel it's pointless after all the harm he's already done. To be honest, with all the killing you do early on in the game, even if they are "nameless" NPCs, it makes sense that Arthur would be this way, at least until he found out he was dying. Killing that often like it's nothing would have serious psychological repercussions and is a sign of psychopathy. I think players tend to forget this when they play a game that revolves so much around killing, to the point where they think it's "normal".
Apparently he writes both things but only talks about specific things depending on honor. They also bury Sean but it is not mentioned in low honor, just written.
@@fortnight5677 That makes sense, ultimately it's the same story and the same Arthur regardless of how you play, still, the selective choice of dialogue really tells what's on the mind of each Arthur. I'd say this is one of the better contrasts between good and bad playthroughs.
I constantly had changing honor during my first play through. my Arthur felt immersive because as he struggled with gaining honor it felt like he kept trying to gain better honor, in the end I finished the story barely making it with high honor
For all of his many, many faults, Micah was a demon with his pistols. He is lightning quick and deadly accurate. He snaps off 3 quick shots here, at tough angles, and gets 3 kills. When he has his final duel with John, John barely manages to outdraw him, even though Micah has just been shot in the gut by Dutch. It takes some impressive skill for a man who makes enemies so readily to live so long. Micah was one of the best shootists in the series, right up there with Landon Ricketts and Old Boy Calloway.
i think the developers sows seeds like this early but the real time i think you switch to high honor is arthurs visit to the doctor when he finds out he got tb
Low Honor: 'Well, we lost one of our own. Still no money.' High Honor: 'Just lost who I consider my little brother... Things won't be as much fun anymore.'
I tried to be high honour but always slipped into low honour because i liked going on crime sprees lol, and Arthur's low honour story is so dark and he's just an asshole, i like him better in high honour lol
I’ve been playing rdr1 and rdr2 feels so weird now and arthers voice is so deep when I’m in a cut scene all I think I’m supposed to hear is Johns squeaky voided and Mexicans
Sean's death was the one I hated the most. Sean was probably one of, if not, my favorite member of the gang, and his death means that riding with him is impossible now. (And when i say that I hated his death, i mean that i hate that he had to die so early in the game.. The death itself was wonderfully done.)
Arthur wasn't being cold about it he was more angry than anything not greedy It's more of like the concept of good people you kill their family they'll kill yours and return kind of thing not pure malician pure vengeance 🤔
Low honor Arthur just gets straight to the point. That's why I like him. Honestly to me it's probably cannon that are Arthur is low honor for the majority of the game
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high honor: “he was like my brother 😢”
low honor: “bro got headshotted 😹🤣🫵💀😭🙏 “
LMAO
low honor: bro got 360 no scoped 😂
@@Necrodude 💀💀
bro got headshotted and still no muneh 😡🤣🤯💀‼️🙏😾
@@DiegoBanger208 💀
Low honor Arthur was only thinking about what needed to be done. He had less emotion.
I think it's more accurate to say that he repressed his emotions more in low honor
High honor seems like a genuine character at the age of arthur, while low honor seems like he's being controlled by an evil being
And is more productive with low honor
No shit Sherlock?
@@smthsmthI wanted to write here exactly the same
@@angelirizarry2666 yea that evil being is the player
Fun fact: Peter Blomquist said this was his favorite scene to play as Micah. He actually practiced how to draw dual wield guns like that. It took about 23 takes and a whole week for him to get it right.
that's nice, respectable and interesting. BUT I hate his character so..
if I were to finish this, I would get banned
@@xhbirohx2214 good, then he did his job. Also even Micah's VA hates Micah. So you can take solace in that.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox I guess. Game's a masterpiece all around. But dang they made me hate unconditionaly a fictional concept.
For all Micah's faults, he had taken at least two enemies out at the start before anyone else reacted.
Low-honor Arthur can be so cold... I liked Sean, he really was like an annoying little brother.
I always play as high honor , i just can't shoot unarmed npc anymore the game is so realisticXD
You fool he's not cold He's just angry he wants vengeance and finds all of this unnecessary but he just can't cope with it by feeling
fr tho he was like an annoying little brother
nah low honor is cold@@dankdaze42069
@@dankdaze42069 And you apparently can't cope with the opinions of random strangers on the internet.
Sean had the second worst death to Kieran
Forgot about mah boah Lenny... :(
@@siranon Besides still being able to live for i guess 30 seconds, John was shot +20 times. His death, alongside kieran's, were the most brutal ones to me.
Sean died faster than Lenny or Hosea, because he was shot in the head, not chest
@@CarlosAntonio-su8wv Yeah, Kieran, most likely, had the eyes ripped out first and then was decapicated. That's an awful way to go
He had the least painful death of all of them
High honor: "Sean was closer to me than I realized. I'll miss him."
Low honor: "Skill issue."
XD
@@houledea1073 wdym the most sense? Isn't it just based on the player? I have a friend that just gets bored and shoots up anyone in his way to a new mission but I just feel bad for clicking on pixels so I have high honor lol
@@houledea1073neutral honor😭bro was playing a different game
@@houledea1073 Yeah that actually somewhat makes sense, I guess... Dutch, Micah and Charles constantly tell Arthur that they see he has a good heart underneath the evil but Dutch even tells that to Micah, Micah is a lunatic and Charles is so honest and good that I think he just wants to see the good in Arthur. When they move camps in Chapter 2, they find a man's stranded family bc he was kidnapped and Arthur gives 0 fucks and tells them to tear down their camp and gtfo lol. I think he would kill and rob anyone if the risk is manageable, maybe not a complete random because story wise it doesn't make sense to get 57 cents and putting yourself and the crew at risk.
I'm curious, what makes you say he's not completely selfish as his low honor self?
He still writes about how he will miss him even with low honor
High Honor Arthur is the canon way to play because there is ZERO chance low honor Arthur wouldn’t have killed Micah at some point
low honor Arthur would likely have choked him to death on guama.
@@GunSpyEnthusiast if he let him live that long!!
Low honor Arthur still probably disliked Micah anyway Arthur may have been a jerk but he isnt constantly getting the gang in trouble
I think the cannon way is to play low honor arthur until like halfway through the game
@@theoutsiderjess1869no he means Low Honor Arthur would not have let Micah linger around as long as he did. Low Honor Arthur would have killed him as soon as chapter 3 if he didn’t kill him for the shitstorm in strawberry first
Micah's situational awareness and ability to quickly act even as Bill and Arthur are taken off guard really is the epitome of "sometimes having a bad guy on your team is for the best."
rats are quick like that.
Micah was super useful, and in better times he might have even been a boon to the gang.
Problem was he had joined them at the tail end of their good times, and he only sped up their end.
"It's because he's a psycho... But at least he's our psycho."
-LCpl Ray Person
Evolutionary Psychology has a lot to say for psychopaths. You would think they would get bred out by society or selective co-operation. Reality is there is something to be said about having the village sociopath who can do the things others can't.
@@clintonknight9798 they aren't actually useful in combat situation. Psychopaths - formally saying, people with antisocial personality disorder - experience fear in a different way, it actually doesn't hold them back (and sometimes can even make them take more risk). Psychopaths die early in combat situations.
To be fair, i don't think Micah is a psychopath. He's a manipulative SOB, but he has a couple of scenes where we can see him become really anxious socially. (Like when he wants to dance with Mary-Beth and gets shot down.)
High honor: they killed Sean😢
Low honor:SEAN IS DEAD AND NO MUNEH 😡
Even the tone of the background music that matches each of Arthur's narrations is different. It's a beautiful touch. High honor is sad but hopeful and reflective. Low honor is cold and foreboding, with a menace that brings shivers.
Sigma paragraph
If you play low Honor Arthur he writes the high Honor Death of Sean in his Journal
wait so he lies about burying him?
@@crzvm1lkcome again?
@@crzvm1lk I didn't play RDR 2 but i think they mean that they still bury him in low honor but it's done off-screen.
So the difference is that Arthur cares more about the confederate gold in low honor but he cares more about Sean's death in high honor
He writes both down no matter what, he only talks about each one depending on his honor
never seen the low honor line in his journal
@@RandomOne1999
micha's draw is so impressive
Right? Micah have no chances against Arthur in hand to hand combat, but he's a top gunslinger, arguably same level as Arthur and John. We saw his dead eye moment right after Sean got shot
It's a reference, look it up
Ngl I think Micah knew the ambush was coming because he was already a traitor at this point. He probably just knew where to look
@@НеСкажу-б3зstill arthur the very same day he died drew faster than micah
Micah is a menace with those irons. The moment his hand pulls that cold red and black death handle, the other NPCs shudder. Knowing they'll never be able to kiss their wife again, or hold their children.
That Low honor animation was way more cinematic, super tense. I like that. More western in a way
Yeah, I kinda wish we had both. The intense vulture scene first, and then maybe Arthur saying the "little brother" lines in camp or some other fashion afterwards. You'd get the best of both worlds.
@@Taima we literally have both, he writes both about the gold and how he cared about Saen in his journal regardless of honor, honor only effects which part he is narrating in this particular scene.
@@AMx5327yeah but that's about the text i think they are talking about the animation/voice line
Let's be fair to Micah, after the headshot, his fast response in 360 degrees while dual wielding killing 3 guys before we could notice was nuts.
And while using "double action" revolvers which are stupid inaccurate if memory serves me correctly.
@@DividendFiend If I remember correctly, they were 'inaccurate' because they had insane poundage on their trigger pulls, compared to the 3 or 4 typical in single actions, these instead being almost if not over 10 pounds. That means every time you pull the trigger without cocking the hammer back, you had a good chance of pulling your barrel off target.
Say what you will about Micah, but that man can shoot
Micah doesn’t get enough credit. He’s the ultimate fucking bad guy. I would like to think a high honor Micah would be insanely underrated
Old school gun fighter , Wild West shxt 💥 💨
Micah was FAST with those 3 shots
Arthur was shocked with what happened to Sean
In real life that'd be almost impossible. Micah must be ambidextrous
He had loads of practice 😂
Arthur, Micah, John and Dutch had the dead eye skill. All were top gunslingers
@danieldurango4602 I believe Dead Eye is just a representation of how good shooters they are and not a skill itself.
Micah instantly press deadeye button 0:21
Should’ve been Micah instead
they'd all be dead then
@@captainhostile101 only reason why they were frozen was because Sean got offed, if Micah got offed no would be that hurt that they'd stay still there for a solid 3 seconds
@@Muksss find that hard to believe, Micah was until a point albeit a piece of shit, a valuable asset to the gang. They froze because its a normal human reaction when something like this happens, only that Micah is more quick on the trigger and was on guard better. I still think they'd all be dead if it wasnt for Micah.
@@captainhostile101arthur morgan has deadeye, they would have been fine
@@nyodene dead eye isn't an actual skill, it just represents how good of gunslingers characters are. Besides, if dead eye actually existed, Micah would also probably have one
0:17 A bit of a shout-out to Rockstar's subtitle work here. Sean's final line is completely subtitled despite being cut off in-game, keeping what happens a surprise even for speed readers. More games should do that.
What are you talking about? It did get cut off. “I could have told you that-“
@@gureirattohe was shot at the "told" not the actual cut-off in the subtitles
Looks like a mistake to me
dudeeeeeeee that's _exactly_ what i was thinking 🙏
More likely they had him record the full line. Then the script was also used for subtitles.
Low Honor: Gist of the story. Speedrun.
High Honor: Heart is put into it.
not really, i took alot of time with this game and i kept low honor almost the whole time until finding out arthur was sick. Then i kinda started "rushing" because i felt it was not immersive spending another 100 hours strolling around. And i knew we would play as john so i wouldnt lock myself out of anything.
@@liandre9035 You do miss a shit ton of content though. I thought the hillbillies were bad until i played as John and ran into the Skinners.
@@ADanZLife i still find the hillbillys worse XD
Id argue sean had one of the best deaths. No pain or fear just lights out
Guess each‘s Character Death in RDR is a representation of they worst fears or best dreams. Guess Sean was too innocent to be tortured like Arthur, but still not a mess like John in 1.
Hm. Almost feel happy for him.
@@akiluro2981 Thats a really good view, never thought about it like that. The same applies to lenny because even though he was panicked due to the robbery, he only had a split second of fear. Unfortunately same couldnt be said for Hosea
@@ItsBirdzJavier meets his end by damming them all to hell, all he wanted was a luxurious life, Bill met his end by the opposing Military forces, Hosea was killed during a hustle, Grimshaw was killed standing against Dutch her ex bf, Molly was killed by another woman of Dutch’s past, Strauss was killed without saying a single word or making a single deal, Uncle died having to work, John died being a father/husband
@@akiluro2981 Didn't he wanted to die in a shootout but instead died by being ambushed without even having a chance of returning fire? He didn't get his wish.
Sean reminded me of the soldiers I had under me. I honestly got a little teary eyed considering we just burned a tobacco farm together. High honor is clearly the superior experience.
I like that low and high honour Arthur aren't different people, just different facettes of the same, complicated person.
I like it when games with these kinds of "morality trackers" do that, instead of portraying the protagonist as either a total saint or total monster.
Another good example of this imo is Daud in the DLC(s) for Dishonoured 1, where he is either motivated by regret and a desire to attone for his actions before the end - or a panicked, desperate attempt to escape the consequences of his own actions. Both feel like fitting (if opposite) character arcs for the same person, and I think it's the same with Arthur.
it feels like high honor players can't fathom that low honor is just as connected to the character as the high honor part
High honor Arthur is so much more satisfying. He's a conflicted man who, in another life, would have been a better man. It makes his death hurt even more, which makes the game a masterpiece.
Micah giving Sean that little boot kick was so unnecessary lmao what a dick 😂
I think that's how most cowboys pay respects to their friends and to their opponents after after dueling. It's either a kick to the boot or kick sand on them, if there is sand
jus checking to see if he’s alive 😂
@@ronintiger That's some Andrew Tate shit right there. "Oh so you got shot in the head? Get tf up"
@@mavezemagnifique No wonder he converted to Islam.
this is why I went max honor arthur and low honor john, to me it just fit the story line and voice acting better and overall got better cut scenes out of it.
i have gone robbing houses and fishing so many times with him just to watch him die like that
For me, i hovered around the middle of the honor bar, usually on the lower side, but when
Arthur got diagnosed with TB, I was like, "I gotta get my shit in order before I kick the bucket."
That's quite literally how Rockstar recommends you play the game. Low Honor until Tuberculosis, then you get your shit together
I agree with that one guy who wrote on YT - the best gameplay is to be low honor before TB and high honor after that.
I think it's not "that one guy on YT", but that's how the game is meant to be played. ;-) It leads the player in that direction.
Yeah, and that's a lot closer to real life. People tend to shape up when faced with their mortality.
Hilariously that could've been me, but it also could've been literally anybody else, I guess.
Part of what I said was the game subtly hints that they want you to play bad, at first, I tend to miss these little hints, especially in games like this where Rockstar is known for holding the player's hand through setpieces and so forth. The two biggest hints are if you save the Blackwater witness Arthur will suggest that it's out of character for him. (I think you're "supposed to" do this though) the other is making the collection for Strauss. It would be interesting if these kinds of hints exist to subtly pull the player the other way after his diagnosis though, to a writer it would just feel like a natural evolution, but to some players they might not see any reason to play the game any differently than they had been.
@@futurestoryteller If I should guess, I think 80 % of the players played the game like this.
I was low honor from somewhat high h from the bandit challenge and gone high h again after it was dome. Around the time of tb. Felt thematic
That sucks Sean was about to make the best your mom joke of the century
I've only ever played as high honor (or semi honor) Arthur. Never knew the cut scenes were different!
Micah’s aim was on-point during the ambush
Micah being a good shot is how he survived for so long.
I think it's crazy how this game has the ability to make players completely rethink their choices.
You totally walked right through that horse poop. smh.
The moment i stopped my low honour playthrough was with the diagnosis. I feel thats the realistic place. It's a shock to his core and i feel itd rustle his jimmies enoigh for him to rethink his life.
The first time I heard Arthur dialogue on chapter 3 as someone who only play high honor and low honor Arthur scared the hell outta me the way he didnt care about Sean broke my heart
"Sean has been killed. Ok catch you later then."
To be fair, Micah did some Bad Ass shoots here
Micah was a good fighter. I don't think anybody ever said anything bad about him when it came to his skill in a fight.
It was just literally everything else about him 😆😆
@@edwardarnett9815 he is good with a gun not his fists
@@theoutsiderjess1869yeah I’ve seen Micah get folded by Charles, Javier, John, and a sick Arthur, also he won’t dare fight Lenny all the times he comes at him, and it’s hella dope that everytime Micah picks on Lenny, Arthur backs him up and Micah cowers away. Micah’s a coward at heart, he won’t fist fight but he will shoot you the first chance he gets
Dang I need to replay as high honor throughout the entire story. I was low honor throughout most of it then started changing my ways when I realized Arthur was running out of time lol
The way you played with the honor is probably how Arthur did. Low honor or middle honor on the bar until he got diagnosed and he started changing his ways and actively trying to raise his honor
Yea that feels exactly how the story should be told.
you played canon development then.
@@kerlyestrada1884 I started changing my ways right after Arthur is in Saint Denis and passes out from coughing and then sees the doctor. It was right there when I decided to change my ways lol
I did mostly good/neutral run (got the neutral and good endings) so now I started on the low honor playthrough, just being the absolute worse scum possible.
I can’t even put into words how devastated I was when Sean died. He was the only death I wasn’t spoiled for, and he was the one I ended up most attached to
I had high honor all the way until Arthur died. I was really attached to him and the choices I made him go through with. He felt realer than most people I know.
Sean's death was a bad omen for the gang. Karen's decline is the biggest outcome.
holy shitballs ive NEVER been able to bring myself to play as low honor arthur so I never saw this before. Damn that was cold with those scavenger birds picking at the bodies and arthurs "meh" retelling of seans skull getting opened up
Low honour Arthur is how everyone should be if they’re sub5
@@maalikserebryakov never did low honor and dont plan too idk that man or want him
Yh, I just naturally played high honour and felt bad after harming innocent people. I think I made the right choice bc I got to see the beautiful Arthur death in which he sacrifices himself for John and died staring at the sunset. I only kill O'Driscolls, racists and slavers.
Fun fact: the drawing in the journal is different depending on the honor level as well.
With High honor, Sean lays away from the viewer, flat on his back as if he were sleeping, with his hat askew and face obscured.
With Low honor, Sean lays towards the viewer, his disfigured face is prominently shown and he lays crumpled up.
The cut scene played for me at night & was so much more of a wow moment
High honor speech: a good man who loves those caught up in a unraveling gang, just as he is.
Low honor: A warrior, a killer, just frustrated by a lack of money and his team is losing manpower.
actually epic
That little cinematic really hammered home that if arthur and micah were voth very capable gunemen and would be unstoppable if they could get along, but arthur looked after the camp as his responsibility and micah only served himself
Regions and where my honor stands on it.
Valentine's - Low Honor
Rhodes - Decent Honor
Saint Denis - Low Honor
Guarma - Decent Honor
Annesburg - High Honor
Reason for this is because in Arthur's prime, he is unstoppable, but ruthless, a force to be reckoned with. It's only till after Chapter 2, he begins trying to be a better person, but when Sean dies, like here, he has a heartfelt moment about his death, and it hardens him, so you go to Saint Denis, where he's back to being cruel and ruthless. Only till Hosea and Lenny get shot and killed, does Arthur consider his fate, but it's put to a hold as he gets taken away by the ocean, and lands himself in a place ruled by a cruel dictator. After seeing the poor people with nothing, it reminds Arthur of what he stood for, and how he has a noticeable cough as consistent as day and night. When he returns, he has a moment with his "Family" until it is ruined by the Pinkertons. When they move to Annesburg, he begins to rethink his choices when he comes across little Ms. Downes, worrying of her son's health. That moment, struck Arthur in his heart that there's still good in him, and to use his time he has left to make things right. On the Top of the hill, as Arthur grows weaker, he dies having the hard earned honor to put him at peace, knowing he tried to do right by others instead of giving in to his greed and selfishness.
For me it was right after Arthur left the doctors office, I saw the Wolf walk by on the street and finally realized what the Wolf meant and since then did my absolute best to be a kind guy in the game, I think thats exactly how the developers hoped cause it was so damn perfect
High honour: “Sean was like a little brother to me.”
Low honour: “Damn we still broke”
Damn i disapointed myself when i finished the last mission you play as Arthur (Red Dead Redemption < mission name), I had low honor and thought he'd die looking at the sunset, but no stupid Micah cam and shot him in the head
TENNIS BOAT🗣️‼️‼️‼️‼️
@@dudemp4TENIS BOAT 🗣️💯💯💯
If you forgive people's debt, kick out strauss and help the Downes and finally help John up that Mountain you will get thr Death Arthur envisioned as the game give you a massive high honor boost fowards the end
@@theoutsiderjess1869 Yh i got that first time, and i genuinely teared up. Arthur died as he would have liked, staring into the sunset and dreaming about the West.
I stopped playing as low honor Arthur when he got diagnosed with tuberculosis. In fact, I only managed to get good honor when I decided to help John in the final mission, otherwise I would be in trouble
Micah not only super fast here, his awareness top notch, in milliseconds he understand from where was the shot, from where they became surrounded, this scene just chefs kiss. You can say every thing you want about Micah, but he's a great gunslinger, cold and fast thinking, even Arthur that anticipated ambush cant react that fast
Oh yeah, Micah was always Arthur's equal in combat. It basically goes:
S Tier: Arthur, Micah, Dutch
A Tier: John, Sadie, Javier, Charles
B Tier: Bill, Hosea, Susan, Lenny, Karen
C Tier: Sean, Kieran
D Tier: Abigail, Uncle, Pearson
the rest are non-combatants and don't rank
@@DillonHiles tilly can shoot
@@zarael_ Everyone can shoot. Not everyone can ice 6 dudes with pinpoint accuracy in a single second
the title makes me think of a low honor, emotionally numbed arthur hearing himself shrug off sean's death so casually, going "when did i become such a piece of shit" and deciding to make a change
I gasped when this happened, and Arthur seemed so bothered by it I wondered if low honor was less emotional! Thank you
High Honor : He was like a brother to me!
Low Honor : Sean Dead. Still no MONEH!
This game had too many deaths that made my jaw drop. I was expecting Sean and Lenny’s death at all! Masterful story telling indeed.
My favorite arhtur thoughts are when he talks about the fire that burns inside saddie for the love of her husband and the one where he expresses guilt for not being able to save kieran after kieran saved him.
high honor : "goodbye brother sean"
low honor : "greed, we lost one but still no gold"
Damn this whole time I didn’t know there was 2 different dialogues lol.. everydays a school day with this game 🔥
Idk and idgaf but low as hell honor is the absolute most fun and enjoyable way to play this masterpiece of a game, with both Arthur and John. No doubt about it.
Low Honor isn't any fun, Micah.
@garyballard179 That's what i thought until my first low honor playthrough
It is absolutely not. High honor is way more fun because you're not an asshole to all the fun characters you meet.
Can we talk about how quick Micah's reaction time is?
Thanks for showcasing this sorta stuff, cuz I just don’t have it in me to play low honor.
Sure, I kill plenty of people and whatnot, but I generally like to play games as a “what would I do in this situation” sorta thing so it always comes out as decent honor. What’s funny is I’m not too sure if my real life honor is actually is as high as any games’ usually is.
Apart from seans death micahs three shot move was lit ash
Micah’s dual quickdraw was insane. He’s so damn fast.
My best playthrough experience is starting with Low Honor and then when people start to die and Arthur gets sick start doing the High Honor choices, he goes from emotionless and having to get shit done to actually showing he is a good man who cares for people and he is scared of dying, and the game itself makes the arch of Arthur doing those terrible things from low honor to the type of person he really was to get High Honor and the good ending
High: Im devastated, this pain will never end. A brother taken from us at a tender age, what a tragedy.
Low: No gold. Huh. Also someone killed that Sean lad.
High honor: He was like a brother to me.
Low honor: WHERE'S MY CONFEDERATE GOLD!
I remember my first play through with this mission, I said out loud whooooaaa shoot, I was super bummed and I swear before Arthur even said he was like an annoying little brother that’s exactly how I felt about Sean, Arthur gave Sean a hard time but he cared about him
I think people tend to misinterpret how Arthur "doesn't seem to care about Sean" with low honor. He certainly doesn't sound happy about it either way. Low honor Arthur is just more calloused. He doesn't beat around the bush. He states the facts and is very cynical about things. He probably still cared about Sean and regretted his passing, but he's repressed his emotions to the point where he can only look forward and would choose not to reminisce, as he would probably feel it's pointless after all the harm he's already done. To be honest, with all the killing you do early on in the game, even if they are "nameless" NPCs, it makes sense that Arthur would be this way, at least until he found out he was dying. Killing that often like it's nothing would have serious psychological repercussions and is a sign of psychopathy. I think players tend to forget this when they play a game that revolves so much around killing, to the point where they think it's "normal".
When Sean got taken out it forsure broke my heart man hearing Arthur consider him an annoying little brother just hit different to me
Damn,say what you want,but Micah's quickdraw's on another level!
I remember playing and I had to do a double take when Sean died. It felt so quick almost surreal even. Half expected to see him somehow survive this.
I like to think low honour Arthur was still thinking about the annoying little brother thing, he just didn't feel the need to write it down.
Apparently he writes both things but only talks about specific things depending on honor.
They also bury Sean but it is not mentioned in low honor, just written.
@@fortnight5677 That makes sense, ultimately it's the same story and the same Arthur regardless of how you play, still, the selective choice of dialogue really tells what's on the mind of each Arthur. I'd say this is one of the better contrasts between good and bad playthroughs.
I constantly had changing honor during my first play through. my Arthur felt immersive because as he struggled with gaining honor it felt like he kept trying to gain better honor, in the end I finished the story barely making it with high honor
rdr2 speedrunner here, I've totally forgotten the high honor scenes I got in my casual play. because low honor is just the quickest route.
Damn... I know we hate him, but Micah is such a good gunslinger. The combo is crazy
I like the almost noir vibe Arthur has when he’s low honor
0:07 Damn you walk right through that pile of shit
I just finished this mission today, I'll miss you Sean.
Low honour makes more sense, but some high honour dialogue makes more sense also. With this scene, its either or for me.
Something I never noticed is that Bill gets grazed by a gunshot too and runs away clutching it
Micah just popped 3 people in 2 seconds.🥶
Sean dying shocked me. Really didn't care the same way about any other death.
For all of his many, many faults, Micah was a demon with his pistols.
He is lightning quick and deadly accurate. He snaps off 3 quick shots here, at tough angles, and gets 3 kills.
When he has his final duel with John, John barely manages to outdraw him, even though Micah has just been shot in the gut by Dutch.
It takes some impressive skill for a man who makes enemies so readily to live so long. Micah was one of the best shootists in the series, right up there with Landon Ricketts and Old Boy Calloway.
I hate to admit but your definitely right I had that realization sometime last year on a random playthrough
High honor Arthur is the canon Arthur and will always be the canon Arthur
Just swinging by to say this was the perfect YT title.
Low honor Arthur was just more blunt about shit but still felt the same way
i think the developers sows seeds like this early but the real time i think you switch to high honor is arthurs visit to the doctor when he finds out he got tb
Low Honor: 'Well, we lost one of our own. Still no money.'
High Honor: 'Just lost who I consider my little brother... Things won't be as much fun anymore.'
Gotta hand it to Micah to kill three guys while Arthur and Bill was still trying to understand what's happening
I tried to be high honour but always slipped into low honour because i liked going on crime sprees lol, and Arthur's low honour story is so dark and he's just an asshole, i like him better in high honour lol
I like to think this is around the time Arthur began to change from low honor to high honor canonically
Low honour Arthur was out for himself
High honour Arthur always held others above himself
I’ve been playing rdr1 and rdr2 feels so weird now and arthers voice is so deep when I’m in a cut scene all I think I’m supposed to hear is Johns squeaky voided and Mexicans
Sean's death was the one I hated the most. Sean was probably one of, if not, my favorite member of the gang, and his death means that riding with him is impossible now.
(And when i say that I hated his death, i mean that i hate that he had to die so early in the game.. The death itself was wonderfully done.)
I cannot bring myself to go low honor with Arthur. It feels like a disservice to how good the game could be.
Arthur wasn't being cold about it he was more angry than anything not greedy It's more of like the concept of good people you kill their family they'll kill yours and return kind of thing not pure malician pure vengeance 🤔
High Honor: He was my brother
Low Honor: He still owe my $5
Arthur be like: "i dunno dutch.."
Then proceeds to do everything he says
Low honor Arthur just gets straight to the point. That's why I like him. Honestly to me it's probably cannon that are Arthur is low honor for the majority of the game