And the drone folds... | Community Build Pt. 5
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All my quads end up folding by about the tenth flight. Too many hard landings I guess :-)
Hey, at least you make it to double digits!! I'm usually picking up pieces much earlier! lol
This design would fit like a glove
Excellent innovation guys. Locking mechanism seems like a good choice. I don't know how I feel about the opposing motor situation. My first thought was possibly a dead cat design so the rear arms are longer to clear the front motors while folding. But sticking to true-x would be better for freestyle. Different arm lengths seems like a possible solution to consider. May need to off-center the arm mounting. My thoughts are more concerned about preventing the need for more add-on's like landing gear. You all are doing awesome. Can't wait for the next round of info.
I would absolutely go for a design with different arm lengths to avoid upside-down motors. Something like HGLRC Rekon7 could serve as inspiration. I could see the front arms be on top and fold in first and out last.
If you fold the higher set arms first they shouldn't hit the motors on the end of the lower arms if spaced correctly, then you can fold the other arms once those are out of the way. Then it is just a matter of having the arms mounted close enough to the frame that the motor doesn't hit the back end of the already folded arm. If they did that then you would have to be aware of which arms are folded first but you wouldn't need to mount the motors in a funky way.
It looks like a brick! THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL DESIGN it’s a prototype 3D print 😉
It’s not a deal breaker this design is going to be great for those that travel lite 👍🏻
Exciting times for travel FPV pilots :) You probably should make a 7" version of it for long range people I think !
Gosh this is by far the most engineered frame since a really long time! Everyone that released a frame was a copy/reference of another but this... this is totally on a different level! That center piece alone will probably be the first none flat carbon fibre part we will see in FPV, unless it will be cut out of aluminium/brass/something. Can't wait for this to be a real product!
So to take whats being done and sizing it up for a 7"+ long range drone that big platform will allow for bigg batts... I hope to see this go that direction one day💯👊👊😎👌
I recently replaced some motors on my quad and that made me wonder how you would run the motor wires on this contraption and trough the hinge part? And Talking about cycle times and replacement parts. I am not even sure if the motor wires are motion rated. But these are minor concerns.
I think what also might help to put all motors in the same direction is to go with more of a dead cat style frame with the rear arms being longer at a steeper angle, so when you fold it the motor is far enough out / large enough to clear the other motor.
That’s an awesome piece of design, very impressive solution. Looking forward to seeing the final design once you start styling it.
That's pretty badass!!!! Really dig how you guys are always trying to innovate drone design.
Loving this project! The key will be will the parts be kept in stock. I’ve had builds sit for months because the replacement frame parts were not in stock. Never had an issue with Ummahawd though! The MoonGoat is my #1 quad.
Tommy and Ryan - I did not take the time to look through all of the comments, so please forgive me if this is already been covered. After watching the video several times and watching Ryan fold the frame it looks like the geometry will allow all four Motors to be in an upright configuration. The deciding factor would be that the upper arms would have to fold first followed by the lower arms. Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, but it does look possible to have all four Motors facing up. Love this concept, and I am really looking forward to Flying this frame. Keep up the great work.
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Fantastic series!! I enjoy the process. Thank's guys!
Straight out of the movies or Clancy novel...flight of the drones!! As long as it fly's place motors where efficient...shape the body like a flying insect of some iteration...it lands, folds its arms and motors, cleans its props and whoosh gone in a flash with a hot-swappable battery
I suggest you should groove the side of the "locker" bloc to lock the arms more in to place. Ok, I was disapointed with the traditional voting but I like where this is going. Thanks guys!
It's so cool to see the process you guys go through. I'm exclusively flying Ummagawd frames right now - MoonGoat (x2) and a 2Fiddy. Before that I flew Remixes. So I'm totally down for this !! It's looking so cool too! This video has me very excited!!
Absolutely best drone content imo. Cause this the stuff is so unique and such awesome stuff
Very intrigued! Hopefully it's a success and not a complete failure. Very interested to see the progress
I like it!!! Look forward to seeing finished product 💯👌
Make it Remix style with a cage underneath so the rails keep the downwards facing motors off the ground. That or a two level design.
Sick! Love the innovation my gents!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🦄🦄🔥
You could print some sort of sleeve for the arms in Igus filament to reduce the wear of the Carbon. This filament is Designed for bushings and stuff
Bottom mount the battery so that it works as landing gear for the front motor. Minor adjustment to fold it with the middle thumb screw but it would still work.
Yess, a folding quad for traveling
Oh, i absolutely love this weird brick already! Definately didn't expect anything "as usual" in a community build. I don't need to see "yet another quad".
May be folding landing gear? "Landing gear is out. Coming for a land. Brace!"
What about tapering some surfaces at the arms and the locking block so that when you tighten the center locking screw it eliminates the rest of the play completely 🧐 Good and exciting project👍🏻
This is excellent..... very well done guys!
Looking forward to the next evolution of this
For solving the problem of the landing gear you could put all electronics underneath the arms and then use the actual bottom carbon fiber plate that's the landing gear to drop weight because more weight equals needing more durability
Also The motors don't have to be reverse mounted and top mounted because you can just deploy one pair of arms at a time and then put one away at a time and as long as the arms are the correct length for it nothing should interfere
Have u considered using tilted axles for the arms, to have them on the same level in the unfolded state but fold to slightly different angles to get past each other, and not interfere with the motors? Using the magnetic force of the motors to keep it closed could also be a thing, so you would be less constraind with the locking mechanism for the unfolded state.
Looking forward to where this is going! Tapering the sides of the locking block will let you adjust out tolerance variations. Consider making the locks a detent that can unlock when overloaded in a crash to limit forces on the hinges.
Love this build so far, but i have an idea, have the top plate be the one that folds, because then the opposing motors won't be a problem when taking off of the ground, a bit like the geprc kx5 frame, cant wait to see where this goes, looking forward to building it myself.
My maan umma you are making a very important chapter in history of FPV finally moving on from bricks to something thats convenient
Is that what it's gonna look like 😜
😂😂😂
Love hearing the thought process. Very interesting and cool. 👍💖😎
Coming along nicely. I would like to see the motors on the top only if your asking me.
Man you guys knocked this out of the park!! Total new concept. Love it, and the idea of motors facing opposite ways. I think this is going to be the drone to have. To bad they don't make popo motors!!
If you make one set of arms shorter then the others you could have motors on the top.
Wicked Kool design! Love it!
Just a thought you shouldn't need the motors staggered 2 up 2 down. if you can fold the higher arms first then the lower arms last.
I’ve been seeing a lot of cool qauds that are being made with carbon tubes (idk if that’s the correct word for it) but that would be cool for the arms were made out of that tubing and also if the quad arms can fold like how a mavic folds that’ll be neat
Designed by you guys will never be a deal breaker! I know how excited Bot is waiting on his new frame!! I love the concept. That's what I would be offering the community if I had the design space and tools you guy's have. Are you hiring? Hint Hint... It's more about the work to me not the money.
I like the idea, but my concern is where the extra wire goes when you open it. The motor wires will have to be longer in order for them to fold. Also where will the wires be mounted to allow them to even fold.
If you end up alternating the motor mounting front and back.... It'll be the rear motors wanting to be on the under side and front motors on top... Better clearance off the ground with fronts, and better clearance overhead with the rear motors... Marginally.
Thanks for sharing.
I was really excited about trying this out but I think bottom mounted motors is a dealbreaker for me. Taking off would be kind of a pita.
Great work guys. When you mentioned knife locks, and started to describe it, I thought you were going to go with a spring loaded button. It might be a little more user friendly if you could work out a spring loaded lock instead of a screw, so that it's just a button press? I bet you could work out getting the arms on the same plane too if you really wanted to.
If you watch at 4:33, you can see that I did work out a spring loaded mechanism. I also started designing around springs normally used in automatic knives, but this introduced a bit more complexity too early in the design. I'm designing the pivot to have room for a spring option down the road, but for now we're just solving the basic folding and retention parts.
@@RyanHouston Yeah, I saw that. Guess I didn't articulate what I meant very well. I have a Ganzo G721 that I can send to you if you're interested in seeing what I meant.
Innovation!! Love it. Seems like good suggestions in these comments, but what do I know.
This is awesome Fellas. I’m excited to see the next step and when it releases. Great job on the design. This is definitely different. I likey👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
Love it it's frigging awesome.
I am here for THIS!!!! I’m gonna build it no matter what!
Really great innovation but i think its going to be a dealbreaker that 2 motors are going to be inverted because as you know we are going to crash and then the motors are going to take the most impact.
Really curious how this is going to be turned out😃
That’s pretty badass guys, nice work!
Tbh I kinda zoned out after the last one, thinking it would be annoying, cumbersome and/or flimsy. Thank you for proving me wrong on that one!
Could you not just fold one half first so you can still have all of the motors mounted up?
Could all the motors face up so you fold in either front or back first and leave some space between the arms for wires on lower arms and motor bolts from upper arm.
Can believe that is the final design
I don’t think motors will have to mounted opposite like you described, so long as that’s not the final design, but you’ll have to fold the arms in a specific order.
Remix style belly to clear downward facing motors, fc in front of "Thumb screw bolt" vista behind it
With that design, locking mechanism in the middle,, where will the stack and other components be mounted?
Battery mounted at the bottom would solve having skids or landing gears.
Won't there be a lot of Vibrations if the arms are locked like that?
I mean because of the leverage effect.
While I’m not a fan of the inverted motors I would stop short of saying they would be a deal breaker. In the end I’m hoping for the most capable folding drone design. Then hoping it would scale to a 7”
Looking forward to seeing this design come to life. Also - any chance it’ll be available in bigger rotor sizes? Say, 6-7"?
If you guys are open to doing a “paid beta” program of sorts, I’m more than willing to pay for hardware, shipping and the whole nine yards, build one with a G4 and Vista, and send you guys feedback for evaluation. This is cool stuff.
I'm thinking maybe put the arms with bottom motors on the top plate and the other pair of arms in the bottom. Instead of having all 4 arms in a gigant block in the bottom that will require landing gears.
I like it! I'm looking forward to seeing the progress. Definitely would a fun build I think. I don't see it as a daily driver for me but definitely would be great when traveling and wanting some nice cinematic shots that are not mavic shots
My drone don't Jiggle Jiggle. It folds!
Excellent! I love the idea, so happy it’s a bit different. Can’t wait for some ninja missions
Edit: I’m ok with opposing motors, the smaller the folded package the better I say.
Super awesome! I wonder how motor wire management will be setup?
With the arms being offset, I wonder how that would affect the flight as far as yaws, normal forward or backward flying, or even just hovering.. What about freestyle tricks like flips, rolls, power loops, split s, etc. Would it work with normal betaflight settings, or will there be a custom tune for it. I guess the next step would be to build two solid frame mockups. One with the higher set arms in front and the other with the higher set arms in the rear. Figure out if there are any negatives or positives before moving on. I'd be interested in seeing that flight footage. 🤙
Betaflight won't care and it won't affect the flying characteristics much. Lower set goes in front as putting the higher in front causes turbulence for the rears. Offset quads were a thing for a brief while, but the benefits of theoretically better flying characteristics due to cleaner air flow wasn't worth the trade-off.
If that's the case then you can't do Matty flips, backward dives, or any kind of backward flying. Sorry Cricket 😞 I sumise that the higher set being in front would give a better all around performance. I don't think we'll know until it's tested.
You gotta call it the switchblade…
Was everything shown in the video the bottom plate because if all the components go on top (they aren't going in alonside the mecanism) will we end up with a quad taller than it is wide?
Love the progress so far though and would like a light version too even if it gives up some durability: just a more hollowed out thinner build for acro pilots.
Can see a lot people being concerned about the inverted motors. I get that it’s a proven concept I.e the DJI matrice 30 but in terms of longevity of the drone after a few landings on concrete you’re guaranteed to have to replace props & motors constantly. Maybe not very noob friendly… but we’ll see!
What if it was a deadcat frame shape? Would the arms overlap in such a way that would allow all motors to be on top? Usually deadcat shave different length arms front and back. Like the Apex DC uses 5” arms on the front and 6” arms on the back to keep the geometry right, but that inch might allow overlap.
If you set it up like the remix that would remove a bunch of the issues with motors sticking out the bottom wouldn't it
Could have super thin brass shim material to act as bearing surfaces on the plates. Wind up looking like car head gasket, but more shiny and flying?
You may also need to look at making this in a 6 inch pattern so that people can fly them with full gopros onboard if this winds up weighing a lot more than a typical 5 inch.
Also.... could come up with a way of shimming things out for wear surfaces.
Man I'm already collecting parts for this frame i want it as soon as it comes out i hope this will be on aliexpress cuz thats the only way for me to get it
Very awesome idea
So is that the actual design?
Nnaar just jokes 🤣
Really cool what you guys are doing. Luv it
speaking for myself, if the motors are not all on top, i wouldn’t consider buying a 5” quad with folding mechanism. I would use a quad with folding mechanism to rip and dip. So opposite motors with landing gear just isnt useful for that. I wouldnt mind a quad like that if it was an 8 inch or something equivalent. Yet I am curious what the final design/ weight will be and maybe change my mind! Good work guys
Try springs to force arms apart when lose or like gerber knife S30v automatic
Is it a deal breaker? Yes, for me it would be although to be fair I'm unlikely to buy one as unless it's up there at 7 or 8" I just don't see the need for a folding frame.
That’ll for the update
I really disliked the idea of a folding drone. The extra weight and less rigidity just didn't seem like a good trade off to me for portability.
I still don't like the idea, BUT I'm super intrigued by the design. It's genius!
I want one now, I'm on board. This is cool engineering!!
Would dampening grease that some of us have been using help with the friction?
Is that the final product lol
Rad per usual guys. My only concern is your would end this path because of the reverse motor mounting being voted out. I know this is a community thing, but at some point mob rule can ruin a great thing. Don’t let that happen. Even if two designs are the solution. I trust your process and your leadership above all else! Thx
What if the bottom arm had an 'L' shape, with the motor on the tip of the short part of the 'L'? Then you'd fold in the top arms first, then fold in the bottoms, and the motors from the bottom arm would stick out a bit more than the top arm motors. The bottom motors could even be on a riser to be on the same plane as the tops (this could also help the bell of the motor clear the other arms).
By making the length and angle of the arms different the motors could all be in the same position relative to the arm pivots.
I think that all four motors could tuck in this way, but I'm less sure about the front and rear tri-blade props interfering (but if you're using floppy proppy's then this isn't an issue.)
in this design it looks like the two engines will be rolled down 🙃
OOOMMMGGG. THats is so cool!!!
Curious how the motors/wires will work folding.. Wires mostly
Can’t speak for them, but with the overlap, my guess is the wires go around the outside. Like, they go into the frame at the nose and tail. That way they go completely around the whole folding mechanism and not anywhere that the arms would close onto them. Then you use some racewires down the length of the arm to keep everything flat and stuck down and minimize the amount of flexible moving wires.
dude, why do you put linux kernel code in your intro? lol, it's awesome!
Awesome!
is that the final design?!? 🤣
Any updates? It's been a while
Yo anyone in the comments have some sort of inside info, is this design final? it looks like a brick
Hey. Is that the final design?
My engineering brain loves stuff like this....not a fan of the concept. I'm surprised people want a folding arm kwad. My 5" didn't take up that much room to begin with. Is this a problem I'm not aware of? Silicone wire will fatigue with repetitive bending making this idea kind of moot
Now a good light 7" is what we really need...there's only a dozen at most out there and a lot of them are porkers.
Thankfully I have designed my own but it needs some more tweaks
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Look out DJI!
Looks promising.
However there's something that concerns me: we're aiming for something durable, and yet with foldable/rotating arms, how can we make sure that a direct lateral hit to an arm won't fold it to the closed position and make it impossible to fly back, where a non-fondable not-that durable ordinary frame would be able to fly back home?
Let me know if my concern is not clearly stated.
I feel like you don't understand how this mechanism works. There is no way for it to fold closed without undoing the thumb screw.
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Video: 15 min. Views:9 uploaded 2 min ago. Something doesn't add up here lol
So many compromises, weight, complexity, parts, geometry, crash damage.Why not work on a design with super quick replaceable arms that have electrical contacts that plug into ESC contacts. The frame would have PCB traces to a 4in1 ESC. Think: F1 pit stop tire change. Just sayin'.
just to much to go wrong our shit gets f...ed up so much anyway it may be great for easy flying but for hard rips and crashing maybe no so much bro sorry tommy but ill still keep watching hope i get proved wrong reliabilay of motor wires arms folding in in light crash that you could fly out of and the big one upside down motors i think for the folding just a simple sping loadid pin on each arm would work better like i say no shade tommy i love your stuff but this is to much to go wrong i think