Good to know since he's popular. Jinrai seems tough. Maybe just block low & react to overhead. Or hope you get the perfect parry. H. Dragonlash- yeah, saw in another vid that DI can work. I don't main Ryu, but learned safejumps, thankfully. Fun vid.
just a quick note: even tho the low and the overhead followups of jinrai are 6f and 18f respectively, keep in mind that they can be delayed quite heavily so the gap isnt as big as it would just by buffering the followups. Great vid tho ^^
@@computervision557 if you have a fast and big reversal (like guile's OD flash kick), it'll win against every jinrai option except heavy jinrai > low bc it's a true blockstrings (and thus it won't even come out) or heavy jinrai > wait bc it's safe. It's a good way to stop it if you can afford the meter use and can keep him away for a while until u recover it
Hey buddy I appreciate the effort in the video but a couple of things: 1. Lk jinrai into low follow-up can be interrupted. 2. LK and MK jinrai low follow ups can be PPed very very easily. The hk version has no gap. 3. Finally, when it comes to punishing jinrais, just the frame data isn’t going to paint a full picture, spacing is vital, the low follow-ups can be -5/-7 yes but after optimal block strings, he’ll end up in a range where you cannot punish. None of the good/decent kens are going to do TC into jinrai and stay right next to you.
26 startup frames is NOT the perfect startup to react with DI, especially when a great chunk of them are similar to his crouch animation and there is no distinct visual or audio on the first frames like DI itself has. You have about 15-20 frames to react with DI and if you manage to react you will be able to get baited extremely easily, and we all know how hard DI baits go. Perfect parry works but if missed Ken is +1/+2 and if it works you get a scaled combo, it is sometimes the best you can do if you react too late but there are better and more consistent options. So what do you do when you are on burnout? Give up and let Ken take free +5/+6 from half a screen away or try to use reversal super to risk losing super meter AND getting punished for a lot of damage + cornered + staying on burnout + free stun for Ken since you wasted super... Best option most of the time will be to interrupt him with a fast move that hits High or Mid (he dodges Lows), for example most character's cr.MP and since he is in Forced Knockdown juggle state you can even do a combo on him but keep in mind he is airborne (lab with your character). In most characters I can think of right now cr.MP into a special into lvl3 will combo but different characters have different answers to it. Also doing no combo is not bad, you still get the Forced Knockdown anyway, so you can just focus on the oki and practice a combo some other day. Another option you have is to use an anti-air invincible move like Shoryuken but of course this is risky. I recommend this if you play something like Guile and on certain ranges, like if you are outside of Ken's HK range and he is cornered because you can react to: 1) Early forward jump 2) Neutral jump 3) Back jump 4) All dragonlash versions and maybe even 5) wiffs with the same thing, Flash Kick. It is still risky but most of those things make Ken go airborne and are punished by the same option so you can just react to Ken leaving the ground without needing to process how he is doing it, though keep in mind the more you focus on it the easier it gets for ken to just walk to you, poke with cr.MK, Drive Rush in and get pressure. These options also work on other gap closing specials such as Marisa's Phalanx, Blanka's Rolling Attack (though in his case Perfect Parry might be the best option since he goes quite fast) and Chun Li's Hazanshu. Bonus fact: In Chun Li's case you have another option, to use anti-low attacks such as Ryu's Senpukyaku (6HK). This looks weird but it works since Chun Li has a hitbox only after reaching you and the hitbox is in the ground, so you can treat it as a Low (even though it is an overhead) and it might even lead to a better punish.
LMAO! Best way to play against those players are just a little defensive than usual. If they like to wakeup DP try to bait it out and block. Or if they DP after a normal that's - just respect it instead of going for a punish
Yea what if you aren’t playing ryu… I swear as a Kimberly main there’s literally nothing I can do to this character if they play slow and defensive. Why give some characters amazing offense, damage and defense? It makes no sense.
Just take what I show in the lab with Kimberly. These anti guides are mainly just showing you character's frame data and what moves are punishable. Some moves Ryu can punish Kimberly may not be able to. It's also very spacing dependent on some moves.
Are you more interested in Ed or Akuma next as DLC characters?
Bouth, for the moment i want that Ed video from capcom
Mostly akuma but I want to see what they'll do to Ed since he was the easy inputs character and now we have modern controls to do that
As a Ken main, thanls for this. Good reminder to keep my strings and spacing on point.
Plus this will help you with mirror matches
Wowww! No talking just action ~ perfect bro 👌
Good to know since he's popular.
Jinrai seems tough. Maybe just block low & react to overhead. Or hope you get the perfect parry.
H. Dragonlash- yeah, saw in another vid that DI can work.
I don't main Ryu, but learned safejumps, thankfully. Fun vid.
Thanks for this. I am a ryu main and most opponents are using ken
Thanks for the frame data and sound cues. Subscribed.
Excellent video DarkSynth. Also I think that the text/font in this one is the best of the three so far.
just a quick note: even tho the low and the overhead followups of jinrai are 6f and 18f respectively, keep in mind that they can be delayed quite heavily so the gap isnt as big as it would just by buffering the followups.
Great vid tho ^^
There do not exist perfect solution for jinrai, it is a very cheap rsp game ken got, he has the initiative
@@computervision557 if you have a fast and big reversal (like guile's OD flash kick), it'll win against every jinrai option except heavy jinrai > low bc it's a true blockstrings (and thus it won't even come out) or heavy jinrai > wait bc it's safe.
It's a good way to stop it if you can afford the meter use and can keep him away for a while until u recover it
@@cerdi_99 I know, that is why I say there do not exist perfect solution for jinrai, the initiative still in the hands of ken
@@computervision557 oh yeah, I was just adding info. I 100% agree with you
Great video! There is a gap on Light jinrai into low though. Medium into low can cnap a DI 0:32
Thank you for the correction!
Please keep up the great work! Make an anti guide for the whole cast! Itll help us all git good!
I'll try to make as many as I can before Tekken releases! But thank you! Glad these are helpful
Bro this guides are amazing, keep it up
Hey buddy I appreciate the effort in the video but a couple of things:
1. Lk jinrai into low follow-up can be interrupted.
2. LK and MK jinrai low follow ups can be PPed very very easily. The hk version has no gap.
3. Finally, when it comes to punishing jinrais, just the frame data isn’t going to paint a full picture, spacing is vital, the low follow-ups can be -5/-7 yes but after optimal block strings, he’ll end up in a range where you cannot punish. None of the good/decent kens are going to do TC into jinrai and stay right next to you.
He really put the production into this one
26 startup frames is NOT the perfect startup to react with DI, especially when a great chunk of them are similar to his crouch animation and there is no distinct visual or audio on the first frames like DI itself has. You have about 15-20 frames to react with DI and if you manage to react you will be able to get baited extremely easily, and we all know how hard DI baits go.
Perfect parry works but if missed Ken is +1/+2 and if it works you get a scaled combo, it is sometimes the best you can do if you react too late but there are better and more consistent options.
So what do you do when you are on burnout? Give up and let Ken take free +5/+6 from half a screen away or try to use reversal super to risk losing super meter AND getting punished for a lot of damage + cornered + staying on burnout + free stun for Ken since you wasted super...
Best option most of the time will be to interrupt him with a fast move that hits High or Mid (he dodges Lows), for example most character's cr.MP and since he is in Forced Knockdown juggle state you can even do a combo on him but keep in mind he is airborne (lab with your character). In most characters I can think of right now cr.MP into a special into lvl3 will combo but different characters have different answers to it. Also doing no combo is not bad, you still get the Forced Knockdown anyway, so you can just focus on the oki and practice a combo some other day.
Another option you have is to use an anti-air invincible move like Shoryuken but of course this is risky. I recommend this if you play something like Guile and on certain ranges, like if you are outside of Ken's HK range and he is cornered because you can react to: 1) Early forward jump 2) Neutral jump 3) Back jump 4) All dragonlash versions and maybe even 5) wiffs with the same thing, Flash Kick. It is still risky but most of those things make Ken go airborne and are punished by the same option so you can just react to Ken leaving the ground without needing to process how he is doing it, though keep in mind the more you focus on it the easier it gets for ken to just walk to you, poke with cr.MK, Drive Rush in and get pressure.
These options also work on other gap closing specials such as Marisa's Phalanx, Blanka's Rolling Attack (though in his case Perfect Parry might be the best option since he goes quite fast) and Chun Li's Hazanshu.
Bonus fact: In Chun Li's case you have another option, to use anti-low attacks such as Ryu's Senpukyaku (6HK). This looks weird but it works since Chun Li has a hitbox only after reaching you and the hitbox is in the ground, so you can treat it as a Low (even though it is an overhead) and it might even lead to a better punish.
absolute GOAT vids,
Thank you!
Thank you.
Could you do a rashid one please :)? your videos are the best!
Subbed!
Appreciate it!
Wow ive been letting these kens get away way with too much!
The Kens I run into don't like to block.
LMAO! Best way to play against those players are just a little defensive than usual. If they like to wakeup DP try to bait it out and block. Or if they DP after a normal that's - just respect it instead of going for a punish
Welp….I’m screwed 😂
Who's here as a Ken main to get counter-intel? 😅
It's important to know how to beat your own character!
the hashogeki setup in the end of the video, is it L.Hashokegi ou Medium?
Most likely Light
@@DarkSynth thanks man
Yea what if you aren’t playing ryu… I swear as a Kimberly main there’s literally nothing I can do to this character if they play slow and defensive. Why give some characters amazing offense, damage and defense? It makes no sense.
Just take what I show in the lab with Kimberly. These anti guides are mainly just showing you character's frame data and what moves are punishable. Some moves Ryu can punish Kimberly may not be able to. It's also very spacing dependent on some moves.
@@DarkSynth yea Kimberly is just so stubby it’s hard to get the advantage back once you lose it.